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Speaker 1: This is episode eighty six of Native Lampod, where we
Speaker 1: give you our breakdown of all things politics and culture.
Speaker 1: We have a lot going on in the world right now.
Speaker 1: I'm with my co host Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gilliam.
Speaker 1: I'm Angela Raie. Y'all, what do you want to talk
Speaker 1: about today?
Speaker 4: Well, as you said, Angela, there is a lot going
Speaker 4: on in the world in the news today. Budget budget, budget, budget,
Speaker 4: budget is top.
Speaker 5: Of mind from you right now.
Speaker 4: And I'm also interested in us possibly weighing into this big, big,
Speaker 4: big big verdict that came down this week. Maybe we can,
Speaker 4: at least amongst the three of us, hope our listeners
Speaker 4: sort of navigate this strange land we're in.
Speaker 6: The verdict you're referencing, of course, is the verdict in
Speaker 6: the Sean Puffy Colmes trial that came down on Wednesday.
Speaker 6: So definitely will join you there. But what I'm most
Speaker 6: interested in talking about is our viewer questions, because we
Speaker 6: have a few viewer questions this week and we've asked
Speaker 6: you how to submit your questions, and I just want
Speaker 6: to thank you for taking the time to submit them.
Speaker 7: So we want to get to those.
Speaker 1: And I want to just highlight briefly, or maybe it's
Speaker 1: a low light from a low life something that your
Speaker 1: president said about how he intends to handle United States
Speaker 1: citizens who have committed crimes. Maybe maybe if they've committed crimes.
Speaker 1: So we'll get into all of that and much more.
Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 8: My name is doctor Charity O. Yettojee. I'm a hematologist
Speaker 8: and researcher focused on improving care for people with sickle
Speaker 8: cell disease. I received a notice on June sixteenth, twenty
Speaker 8: twenty five that mikey award a five year, seven hundred
Speaker 8: and fifty thousand dollars federal NIH grant to improve care
Speaker 8: for people with sickle cell disease as they age was
Speaker 8: suddenly and unjustly terminated despite strong scientific evidence and early
Speaker 8: proven results. Determination notice stated that research with equity objectives
Speaker 8: does nothing to expand our knowledge of living systems and
Speaker 8: our quote unquote lower turn on investment and don't enhance health,
Speaker 8: and also are harmful to Americans. These statements are inaccurate
Speaker 8: and disrespectful for so many reasons. Sickle cell disease is
Speaker 8: a painful, life limiting genetic disorder that can be inherited
Speaker 8: by people of all racial and ethnic backgrounds around the world.
Speaker 8: Sickle cell disease primarily affects black people in the United States.
Speaker 8: My research was focused on developing the first and only
Speaker 8: functional assessment in the first and only exercise program tailored
Speaker 8: to the unique needs of older adose fiscal soul disease
Speaker 8: called sickle FIT. Ending this project not only silences promising
Speaker 8: solutions for a neglected group of patients, but also sends
Speaker 8: a devastating message to future researchers that even life changing,
Speaker 8: evidence based science can be discarded without cause. My question
Speaker 8: is what can be done to overcome these grant terminations
Speaker 8: and how do researchers doing impactful work for underserved populations
Speaker 8: find a way forward?
Speaker 5: Thank you, you know.
Speaker 4: The frustrating part about this lady's is the there's already
Speaker 4: not enough research done on the diseases that have unique
Speaker 4: impact on our community. I'm reflecting on the doctor's question,
Speaker 4: which had so many I'm the only I'm the first
Speaker 4: and only you know researching in this and will provide
Speaker 4: the you know, the first and only to this, and
Speaker 4: for that to be just ceremoniously and quite quite quite
Speaker 4: harmfully not factually dismantled. It's crazy. As she read some
Speaker 4: of the words from the letter that she received, I
Speaker 4: was thinking, what AI bought from, you know, from Donald
Speaker 4: Trump's government produced this letter as as as filled with
Speaker 4: inaccuracies as it was, and I can only imagine the
Speaker 4: doctor's frustration. I will just say, and and Angela, you
Speaker 4: probably have a more direct, maybe way forward for her here.
Speaker 4: But these were dollars that were already appropriated by the Congress.
Speaker 4: Remember the Congress is the appropriator in our system of government,
Speaker 4: signed into law by a president. These are dollars that
Speaker 4: were already determined to where they were supposed to go.
Speaker 4: The government just needed to write the check, send the
Speaker 4: direct deposit, whatever it is that they do, and Donald
Speaker 4: Trump then held that up. I know that a number
Speaker 4: of agencies that have been impacted financially by some of
Speaker 4: these early decisions have decided to go to court and
Speaker 4: sue to have that money come through for them. I
Speaker 4: don't know if that's the route for the doctor or
Speaker 4: if there are other suits that she can potentially join onto.
Speaker 4: But I believe that there are still grounds here for
Speaker 4: litigation and for the third branch of government to help
Speaker 4: make some sense of this thing. That how does a
Speaker 4: budget get passed, signed into law, appropriations made, and the
Speaker 4: check gets stopped by Donald Trump and never delivered for
Speaker 4: the life saving and groundbreaking research that it was intended.
Speaker 1: This administration is doing that all the time. There was
Speaker 1: a release that came out this week that said that
Speaker 1: the Department of Education withheld school funding to the tune
Speaker 1: of six point nine billion dollars that was already allocated
Speaker 1: and supposed to be sent from the Department of Education,
Speaker 1: which you all know now is you know, in the
Speaker 1: works of being dismantled. And I think what's most important is,
Speaker 1: as we're on this podcast, the Congressional Black Caucus is
Speaker 1: holding the floor through a UC process trying to get
Speaker 1: unanimous consent. Is what you see stand for for a
Speaker 1: democratic amendment on Donald Trump's budget, which he's named the
Speaker 1: Big Beautiful Bill. We've called it the Big Ugly Bill,
Speaker 1: We've called it Trump's Bad BBL. All of the things.
Speaker 1: We've had a marathon since Monday at six pm Eastern
Speaker 1: deconstructing this bill that causes great harm. And what we
Speaker 1: need to understand is that one point three trillion dollars
Speaker 1: is going to be reallocated from Medicaid and SNAP in
Speaker 1: other programs to support people who are considered the least
Speaker 1: of these if we are to use biblical terms, and
Speaker 1: frankly just moved over transferred to the wealthiest Americans among us,
Speaker 1: the top twenty percent. And I think that when you
Speaker 1: consider that, when you can no, it's actually people with
Speaker 1: less money than that. But when you look at the
Speaker 1: gap between the folks who are in six figures and
Speaker 1: in the bottom half of that twenty percent and the
Speaker 1: folks who are in the lower rung of the economy
Speaker 1: making under thirty thousand dollars a year, the bottom twenty percent,
Speaker 1: it is astounding. And the gap between the rich import
Speaker 1: is only going to be exacerbated by what they're doing
Speaker 1: in this bill. And I think the worst thing is,
Speaker 1: you know, we keep giving people these high hopes that
Speaker 1: we're going to be able to change their minds, that
Speaker 1: we're going to be able to appeal to the inner
Speaker 1: moral compass of Senator so and so yesterday or sorry,
Speaker 1: earlier this week. It was Lisa Murkowski, who we knew
Speaker 1: was not going to pivot. And so we keep telling
Speaker 1: people if you apply pressure, if you apply pressure, they
Speaker 1: will do the right thing. Will they will?
Speaker 3: They?
Speaker 1: There's a list of twenty something members in the House
Speaker 1: of Representatives who people have been asked to call. And
Speaker 1: I'm at the point right now where I am tired
Speaker 1: of asking people to take all of their good intention
Speaker 1: attention efforts and put them into a feudal fight for
Speaker 1: people who only care about doing what is right for
Speaker 1: the people who write them campaign contributions and to appease
Speaker 1: Nebuca Nezer who is Donald Trump. They don't care about
Speaker 1: anybody else. And I will rather us be very clear
Speaker 1: eyed about what we do have. So we've spent just
Speaker 1: as much time on this marathon educating about the harmful
Speaker 1: impacts of this bill. Do you know how many people
Speaker 1: in this country don't even know this is happening? And
Speaker 1: it is the most harmful legislation that will be passed
Speaker 1: in our in modern history, in modern history. So we
Speaker 1: got to spend just as much. But what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Like when we use these terms, people don't know what
Speaker 1: the largest transfer of wealth means. It means they are
Speaker 1: literally stealing money from programs that will pay doctors so
Speaker 1: that your kid who has asthma can be seen even
Speaker 1: if you are not on Medicaid. Once the accounts are
Speaker 1: we had doctors on talking about this. Once they fiddle
Speaker 1: with those accounts and there's no money at this community
Speaker 1: health center in Jackson, Mississippi or wherever, and there's no
Speaker 1: Medicaid to support that, there's nothing to close that gap.
Speaker 1: It shuts down, and we have to be honest with
Speaker 1: about that. So instead of all of your efforts being
Speaker 1: in call your member, which you still should, ask this
Speaker 1: member of Congress to change their minds, soften their arts.
Speaker 1: You still should. Maybe the most vulnerable of the GOP
Speaker 1: can find some commonality with the most vulnerable Americans. But
Speaker 1: if you can't, what is the community resource that already
Speaker 1: exists that we can tell people about.
Speaker 4: So the direct advice for the question would be litigation, litigation, litigation,
Speaker 4: because I think we're just at a place where folks
Speaker 4: are exhausting every available option to them to see the
Speaker 4: right thing happen. And the truth is is that if
Speaker 4: we had a Congress that was willing to stand up
Speaker 4: for its own power, for its own position for its
Speaker 4: own voice. On behalf of the six hundred thousand plus
Speaker 4: people each member of Congress represents across this country, we
Speaker 4: wouldn't have an issue here. Unfortunately, we have feckless members
Speaker 4: of the Republican Party who I don't care what the
Speaker 4: outlet is. I have watched the media be completely derelictive
Speaker 4: late as it has described this budget, giving people the
Speaker 4: false hopes that Senator such and such is going to
Speaker 4: come in to save the day because the president has
Speaker 4: hardliners on the right who are not going to be
Speaker 4: for adding this much debt to the to the debt
Speaker 4: limit of the country. Not true. I wish that instead
Speaker 4: of saying that there will hold out Republicans, that they
Speaker 4: would say that there are Republicans who consider themselves holdout,
Speaker 4: but in keeping with the last ten votes, they have
Speaker 4: caved every single time they have held themselves out there
Speaker 4: as being responsive to the citizens that they represent. They're
Speaker 4: fully aware that rural hospitals in the states that they
Speaker 4: represent are going to shudder, impacting all people. Right, the
Speaker 4: majority of this country does not live in highly populated,
Speaker 4: urbanized cities. They don't The majority of folks are spread
Speaker 4: out all over this vast land, many of them not
Speaker 4: with the access to the kinds of tools, resources and
Speaker 4: human resources in the form of doctors, nurses, specialists that
Speaker 4: they need access to. And if you tell them to
Speaker 4: reach those folks over the internet through telemedicine, you're gonna
Speaker 4: have to go further to inspect whether or not there
Speaker 4: is a strong enough signal of internet in the communities
Speaker 4: that they live to get them in touch with a
Speaker 4: doctor where a seamless conversation can take place. The fallout
Speaker 4: from this build is going to be tremendous, Angela, and
Speaker 4: I appreciate you putting, you know again, relight on this.
Speaker 4: I do think that pressure does burst pipes. I think
Speaker 4: we have to apply pressure, and pressure comes in many forms.
Speaker 4: But more than anything, what these members of Congress are
Speaker 4: the math that they are doing as they're calculating Donald
Speaker 4: Trump and his how do you say, get back evil
Speaker 4: spirit to the six to eight hundred thousand of you
Speaker 4: who live in their district, and they are choosing the
Speaker 4: voice of this one man over all six to eight
Speaker 4: hundred thousand of you, and he's saying that this voice
Speaker 4: is much more important to me and my future as
Speaker 4: an elected official than all of y'all combined, who send
Speaker 4: me to Washington in the first place. That's the method
Speaker 4: they're doing, and we all ought to be offended and
Speaker 4: ashamed that we have members of Congress there representing us
Speaker 4: who have no interest in taking our voices to the
Speaker 4: floor of the Congress to the will of the Congress,
Speaker 4: or by God, representing that voice to their vote.
Speaker 1: Really quick, Andrew, I want to just respond to two things. Factually,
Speaker 1: we have members of Congress who don't have the majority
Speaker 1: and have limited tools, especially on the House side, and
Speaker 1: the tools they have they are using or have used
Speaker 1: the Magic Minute with Hakim Jeffrey, Yes, unanimous consent, hold up, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: very very much so in the minority, even though they
Speaker 1: might have the moral majority. But I wanted to say
Speaker 1: two things. The first was I just wanted to apologize
Speaker 1: to you. I think that I have been so much
Speaker 1: in a bubble around the State of the People and
Speaker 1: the Power tour that and it was a good, safe,
Speaker 1: feel good bubble, you know, completely dissociated with what is happening,
Speaker 1: you know, from this mad man like just like was
Speaker 1: able to just get out and see how many tools
Speaker 1: we have for our care of ourselves. When you kept
Speaker 1: bringing up the budget for weeks, that it is something
Speaker 1: that we need to talk about, that it is something
Speaker 1: we need to talk about. I just had no interest,
Speaker 1: you know, and I and I think now in the
Speaker 1: eleventh hour, in part because I'm like, he's gonna he's
Speaker 1: breaking all the rules and the laws anyway, So like
Speaker 1: what difference does it make? And still honestly feel a
Speaker 1: little of that, but I know we have a collective
Speaker 1: obligation to tell our people what is on the line,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if some of it is holdover
Speaker 1: from November, just feeling like, well, like, what what use
Speaker 1: is it to tell people what to do if they're
Speaker 1: not going to do it. If they call their member
Speaker 1: of Congress and the member of Congress has a phone
Speaker 1: on D and D they literally have their phones on
Speaker 1: do that to get to their members, they have to
Speaker 1: send a social post. It is a dere election of
Speaker 1: duty without absolute dere election of duty. And so I
Speaker 1: did want to apologize because I know the public servant
Speaker 1: in you would still have us to do the right thing,
Speaker 1: which we should do. And so I don't want to
Speaker 1: speak for Tip, but I want to say I apologize
Speaker 1: because I think that we should have given this time,
Speaker 1: probably every week, even if it's just to highlight a
Speaker 1: portion of the bill, and I'll say, like, as long
Speaker 1: as I have any say in it, I will yield
Speaker 1: from now on, even when I am in a bubble
Speaker 1: and I'm asking you to please take full permission to say, sis,
Speaker 1: I think you're in above on this, we're missing it,
Speaker 1: and to sell on the alarm. So I just want
Speaker 1: to pologize.
Speaker 4: I don't not necessary because every piece of our labor,
Speaker 4: from all of us, and the listeners who are choosing
Speaker 4: to touch and engage even to take care during this moment,
Speaker 4: are are contributing to what we have to do to sustain.
Speaker 4: And so what you were doing with the tour was
Speaker 4: incredibly important to our bigger long term structure of how
Speaker 4: do we wake up our communities to know that the
Speaker 4: power of the people is greater than the people in power.
Speaker 4: That this has to start at that basic of a
Speaker 4: level in order for us to to to to suspend
Speaker 4: with that belief that what is it all for. He's
Speaker 4: gonna do what he's gonna do anyway, because the truth
Speaker 4: is this pressure does burst pipes, and there's a there
Speaker 4: gonna be some accountability on his side, but don't let
Speaker 4: it be us checking out. That is the permission structure
Speaker 4: for him doing whatever it is that he want to do.
Speaker 4: We're always gonna check in, tap in to make sure
Speaker 4: that if you're gonna get there, brother, you're gonna burn
Speaker 4: down every bush, every tree, every limb, run over, every house,
Speaker 4: every person to get there. Do you want that record?
Speaker 5: All?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? We have so much more to get into on
Speaker 1: the budget. But as you know, if it don't make dollars,
Speaker 1: it don't make sense. We gotta pay some bills.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just want to say quickly Angelus said, do
Speaker 6: you want to speak for me? But like Angelus said lastly,
Speaker 6: Angelus speaks for me even when we disagree. So I
Speaker 6: go those thoughts. I just you know your your former boss, ANGELA.
Speaker 6: Congressman Bennie Thompson has been on rural hospitals UH legislation,
Speaker 6: supporting rural hospitals for decades, for a really long time.
Speaker 6: And we're looking at losing over three hundred and despite
Speaker 6: the media constantly saying, you know, rule the white is
Speaker 6: silent because they often you know, when they go out
Speaker 6: and talk to rule folks, they don't often look like us.
Speaker 6: But a significant portion of Black people live in rural areas. Absolutely,
Speaker 6: so I think this idea that people are a bit
Speaker 6: disengaged and they don't know this is happening.
Speaker 7: This will literally cost lives.
Speaker 6: Rural hospitals have I think twenty five acute care beds,
Speaker 6: so this means when there's no bed for someone, they
Speaker 6: don't have space to be there. If they have to
Speaker 6: get airlifted, they may not have the resources to be there.
Speaker 6: In terms of reimbursement, they're going to have limited reimbursement
Speaker 6: for the hospitals that do remain open. And just with
Speaker 6: respect to the budget, you know, I'm at a bit
Speaker 6: of a disadvantage here because even this conversation now it's meaty,
Speaker 6: it's information. I hope that people got information from what
Speaker 6: Angela and Andrew shared. I don't know that people tune
Speaker 6: into things like this. You know, if we're going through
Speaker 6: the budget and talking about it, for me, that's something
Speaker 6: I want to listen to. I think you do have
Speaker 6: to dangle sometimes the salacious in front of people. You
Speaker 6: have to make it so simple. And in all of
Speaker 6: our bubbles, I think there is.
Speaker 7: A disconnect.
Speaker 6: Sometimes we all are in different bubbles, but there is
Speaker 6: a disconnect, and I don't want to like shit on
Speaker 6: people who are like I didn't even know the big
Speaker 6: bill was happening, But sometimes I do have a frustration.
Speaker 6: I would argue most of the country has no idea
Speaker 6: that this.
Speaker 7: Bill that's what.
Speaker 6: Yes, they have no idea and they're not tuning in,
Speaker 6: and so it's like, how do you find that balance
Speaker 6: of giving you know, I mean, news by definition is
Speaker 6: informing people of what they need to know and talking
Speaker 6: about what they want to know. So striking that balance,
Speaker 6: I think the journalism industry and large, as y'all hear
Speaker 6: me talk about, has failed because even when I heard
Speaker 6: on all the networks this week talking about it, they're
Speaker 6: playing this these political games. So you get a Republican
Speaker 6: on and you or you get a Democrat on and
Speaker 6: you're like, you know, what impact do you think this
Speaker 6: will have? Are you trying to play this up to
Speaker 6: win mid terms? Are you guys talking attacking Vice President
Speaker 6: j d Vance because you think he's gonna run and
Speaker 6: you're trying to And it's like, who gives a shit?
Speaker 6: This is why people don't know what's going on, because
Speaker 6: we're trafficking in this kind of BS. I wanted to
Speaker 6: say that about the disconnect because if you guys don't mind,
Speaker 6: I want to get to this viewer question, who is
Speaker 6: kind of I'm going to relate it back to the
Speaker 6: bill and Antel I'm sure you can find a way
Speaker 6: to relate it back to the bill because people have
Speaker 6: some smoke for me and Angela and I.
Speaker 1: Before we get to the viewer question, I just I
Speaker 1: want to say, Tiff, I agree with you. This Republican
Speaker 1: versus Democrat thing on air is irresponsible, but they are
Speaker 1: modeling what they're seeing in Congress. Literally, Lindsey Graham, who's
Speaker 1: the chair of the Budget Committee, put out a statement
Speaker 1: lying to people about the fact that this would expand
Speaker 1: access to Medicaid and medicare that it, you know, hyping
Speaker 1: up these these budget cuts and how it's going to
Speaker 1: help America's economy and working families. Just blatant lies, to
Speaker 1: the point where Susan Collins put out her own statement
Speaker 1: seeing what it actually did. They're indirect conflict, so you
Speaker 1: don't even have to leave their party to get an
Speaker 1: alternative story. The other thing I was going to say
Speaker 1: is you said that we need to make it more salacious,
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 6: Was to say maybe, but that's what worked.
Speaker 1: Ye what gets people? That's true? Okay, I got you
Speaker 1: Star didn't mean to misquote. So the salations is what
Speaker 1: gets people to pay attention. My highest hope is and
Speaker 1: it's one of the things we things we've been doing
Speaker 1: throughout the marathon, which is still going by the time
Speaker 1: we record this podcast. We have asked people to lead
Speaker 1: with their who why are you doing this, Who are
Speaker 1: you doing it for? Where do they live? What is
Speaker 1: their story? Mine was my mom. We were sitting at
Speaker 1: my mom just went back to chemo. We went and
Speaker 1: I said, Mommy, would you mind being on camera? I
Speaker 1: want people to see when Medicare is even just your
Speaker 1: supplemental insurance, who this impacts, you know, it impacts a
Speaker 1: widespread diverse, you know, economically read from a region. We
Speaker 1: are in Seattle at the best cancer hospital and one
Speaker 1: of the best cancer hospitals in the country. My mom's
Speaker 1: Medicare is going to be impacted. So I think that
Speaker 1: it may not be this relations but it is certainly
Speaker 1: the story, and I think that it's something that is needed.
Speaker 1: But to move the needle to the point that Andrew
Speaker 1: raised about pressure bursting pipes to ensure that people know
Speaker 1: who they're accountable for. Don't let them forget the face.
Speaker 1: Don't let them forget the face of who this will hit,
Speaker 1: whether it's that child on CHIP, or it is that
Speaker 1: elder on Medicare, or it is a person that may
Speaker 1: not even poor, don't even know they're on medicaid because
Speaker 1: medicaid is called something else in your state. Do not
Speaker 1: let them forget. And so again, well Andrew can jump
Speaker 1: let me.
Speaker 6: Jump there really quickly and say, you talked about the
Speaker 6: child on ship to s O. A few result ship
Speaker 6: is the Children's Health Insurance program. A lot of children
Speaker 6: will be impacted by that. And Angela, I hear you
Speaker 6: saying that they're playing off what's happening in Congress, But
Speaker 6: to me, that is the failure. Like you are letting
Speaker 6: members of Congress drive the narrative, and members of Congress
Speaker 6: should be who you're holding responsible. It doesn't matter what
Speaker 6: statement Lindsey Graham put out, like you're you're the reporter,
Speaker 6: like you hold him. And I just want to say
Speaker 6: something else. We talked about Senator Lisa Murkowski, who is
Speaker 6: a Republican representative from Alaska, and I just want to
Speaker 6: say she is a feckless, horrid human being. And the
Speaker 6: reason I say that is because if maybe you guys
Speaker 6: saw this, maybe you did. In a few months ago
Speaker 6: she talks about and the media celebrated her for this.
Speaker 6: She talked about, well, we're scared, you know, Donald Trump
Speaker 6: is in office, and we're scared to do the right thing.
Speaker 6: But I Lisa Murkowski will do the right thing. So
Speaker 6: this is why what does it say? Don't really matter
Speaker 6: to me? And I'm using my language very intentional when
Speaker 6: I'm talking about her. One she's taller, and she tends
Speaker 6: to be a really disrespectful woman when confronted by the media,
Speaker 6: like she CNN's Manu Raju had a confrontation with her
Speaker 6: where she was like towering over him. I forget the
Speaker 6: reporter's name, but this week a CNN reporter confronted her saying,
Speaker 6: you're selling out you know. Senator rand Paul said you're
Speaker 6: selling out the American people, or some maybe misquoting that,
Speaker 6: and she tried to have a staring contest with him.
Speaker 6: And I'm like, you picked the right one, lady, because
Speaker 6: I wish I had that microphone. Don't speak first. Let
Speaker 6: her stand there and look dumb. So every time you
Speaker 6: will hear Lisa mckowski as being like middle of the
Speaker 6: road and she can work with Democrats. We heard the
Speaker 6: same thing about Susan Collins. They are your typical fifty
Speaker 6: three fifty two maga Republicans. Who was I don't like
Speaker 6: what Donald Trump does, but I'm gonna vote with his
Speaker 6: ass eight ninety nine percent of the time.
Speaker 7: We're never gonna this.
Speaker 1: Was Susan Collins one percent because she finally did the
Speaker 1: right thing here, but it took a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: to the point of what Andrews. She's blooded down so
Speaker 1: many times before, so she may have voted for this
Speaker 1: fifty fifty fifty. No, I was gonna say fifty percent percent.
Speaker 1: Fifty other people, though, voted with Lisa Murkis. This is
Speaker 1: my point, including JD band So no matter what, justff
Speaker 1: you miss me with the like white woman Bollsted, she's
Speaker 1: a hero and she said she's scared and she's doing
Speaker 1: the right thing.
Speaker 6: I'm so tired of that narrative. Our our black members
Speaker 6: of Congress are pretty much dismissed in all their efforts.
Speaker 6: But this random ass I wanted, this random ass see
Speaker 6: you next Tuesday, is out here talking out the side
Speaker 6: of her neck and gets excuse for it, and it
Speaker 6: drives me crazy. Anyway, Andrew, and you lied about a
Speaker 6: production timeout, and I.
Speaker 4: Just want to camp that you requested now I absolutely will.
Speaker 4: This is simply to say, if you think you are
Speaker 4: getting away with not feeling the consequences of what is
Speaker 4: happening here in the next couple of months or maybe
Speaker 4: even the next year, I want you to know that
Speaker 4: these savvy ass Republicans decided that they were going to
Speaker 4: delay the impacts of cuts. All of the negative impacts
Speaker 4: they have backloaded in the bill, which means they have
Speaker 4: set for them to take effect immediately following the next
Speaker 4: general election in twenty twenty six. So don't think we've
Speaker 4: gotten away with anything. They're conniving their willingness to lie
Speaker 4: sheet steel. They have only saved themselves, but because they
Speaker 4: think we stupid enough not to understand that this thing
Speaker 4: is going to have detri mental impacts on all of us.
Speaker 4: But they don't want you showing up in November of
Speaker 4: twenty two six mad, so they push the effects of
Speaker 4: all the tens of thousands, hundreds of you know, tens
Speaker 4: of thousands of people that they're going to push off
Speaker 4: of health care and the millions billions you would say
Speaker 4: that are going to be added to the cost of
Speaker 4: those of us who do right now afford our own
Speaker 4: insurance and pay for it. All that they plan to
Speaker 4: have kick us in the ass right after they compete
Speaker 4: to hold the house hold, the Senate, and of course
Speaker 4: the presidency isn't up in twenty twenty six. But all
Speaker 4: of that they plan to save by kicking the impacts
Speaker 4: that are going to hurt all of us the most
Speaker 4: to right after the next election.
Speaker 7: All right with that?
Speaker 6: In the er questions with that, let's hear from the
Speaker 6: viewer who has some smoke for Angelo and me tas.
Speaker 3: Leaving from San Diego?
Speaker 2: Money is DJ Johnson?
Speaker 3: And that a question for Angela and from his cross.
Speaker 3: Do you guys believe that it could be a fair
Speaker 3: critique from some of us that sometimes you talk to
Speaker 3: us as if we are stupid or political mild patents.
Speaker 3: And I'll use the example of the political the migrant
Speaker 3: protests reservations that our guys expressed. But I believe it
Speaker 3: was Angela that calls some of us selfish because we're
Speaker 3: not super willing to jump into a front line the
Speaker 3: protests on the alp of our neighbors. But I remember
Speaker 3: both of you doing November after Vice President Harris lost
Speaker 3: the election, basically saying that held with the idea of
Speaker 3: a rainbow coalition. So do you believe that the echo
Speaker 3: chamber that your guys are living in, you believe that
Speaker 3: that echo chamber is starting to position you to be
Speaker 3: the same people that Malcolm X warned.
Speaker 4: Us against in the ballot of the bullet.
Speaker 3: I disagree with the show sometime, but I do enjoy it,
Speaker 3: and I'll see you nothing but love, thank you.
Speaker 7: I love.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 6: We'll get to that, but I just want to say, first,
Speaker 6: thank you so much, so much for us admitting that
Speaker 6: video question. I just truly we really appreciate when you
Speaker 6: take the time to sit down and record a video
Speaker 6: and ask us a question. And the reason I wanted
Speaker 6: to make sure that we got to it is because
Speaker 6: it's a conversation with you guys. We don't mean to
Speaker 6: talk at you, and we want to highlight when you
Speaker 6: disagree with us and drop us a note and we'll
Speaker 6: talk about it. So first and foremost, nothing but gratitude
Speaker 6: to you, brother. But to your question, I let Angel
Speaker 6: respond because I know he talked about you know your
Speaker 6: your rest is selfish. But I just wanted to say,
Speaker 6: because Lolo sent us this question earlier, Andrew, can you
Speaker 6: please put your computer down?
Speaker 7: Lolo sent us this question.
Speaker 6: Earlier and what I have, but I like he's trying
Speaker 6: to I don't get it being distracted anyway, because the
Speaker 6: bullets about the ship when Lolo sent us this question,
Speaker 6: I did go back and watch, and I don't believe
Speaker 6: that I said the Rainbow Coalition is dead. But I
Speaker 6: will say, you know, a lot of outlets will ask
Speaker 6: me to come on. This thing happened today, you know,
Speaker 6: can you Angelie remember how it is in that cable
Speaker 6: news rush, you know, like you going about today and
Speaker 6: they're like, come on right now and talk about this thing,
Speaker 6: or come on tonight, and there is some benefit. I
Speaker 6: rarely say yes, because there's some benefit to like sitting
Speaker 6: down thinking about it and not jumping out there so
Speaker 6: quickly every time something happens. After the election, I was
Speaker 6: surprised by the numbers and we're still getting updated data.
Speaker 6: Exit poser, notoriously unreliable Pugh just came out with new
Speaker 6: voting numbers last week. That Pew Research is an institution
Speaker 6: that I trust emphatically, So I don't believe I ever
Speaker 6: said to hell with the Rainbow Coalition. My only point
Speaker 6: about and I'm not arrogant enough to tell people what
Speaker 6: they should or should not be doing. So if I
Speaker 6: if I come across that way, it's not my intention.
Speaker 6: I am arrogant enough to say what people should care.
Speaker 6: And when I see comments from people who are looking
Speaker 6: at the government, disappearing people saying we don't care, reminding
Speaker 6: our business, my point to you is we do care,
Speaker 6: because that will eventually be us. And we've already seen
Speaker 6: black people being detained, deported and just trying to give information.
Speaker 6: And I respectfully say, I don't know what echo chamber
Speaker 6: you're referencing. The only quote from Malcolm X that I
Speaker 6: know where he talks about like people in the media
Speaker 6: making you like hate heroes, and that's not at all.
Speaker 6: I reject the notion that I'm in that kind of
Speaker 6: echo chamber. I think all of us, you know, talk
Speaker 6: to different people and do different things. If I'm coming
Speaker 6: across like I'm talking to me like you're stupid, which
Speaker 6: I can do sometimes, I'm sure I don't want to
Speaker 6: gaslight you and say I don't do that sometimes quite honestly,
Speaker 6: I do think people are dumb. You know, we had
Speaker 6: a conversation like that on this. When I see some
Speaker 6: of the comments from people, I do think, wow, this
Speaker 6: is we are eroding our intellect when I see people,
Speaker 6: you know, and it's not that, you know, I don't
Speaker 6: criticize people for not caring or I do purtends people
Speaker 6: not caring. I don't criticize people for not being engaged
Speaker 6: one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: But I do. It is some level of frustration.
Speaker 6: It is looking at society at large that seems to
Speaker 6: be giving a shoulder shrug and taking selfies and you know,
Speaker 6: just not really engage the way that we once were.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I hear you. I take all your point.
Speaker 6: And I was never trying to say go out there
Speaker 6: and protest, go out there and be on the front lines.
Speaker 7: My only notion was.
Speaker 6: We have to give a fuck like we just do.
Speaker 6: It's our humanity, it's our fellow human beings, and whatever
Speaker 6: acts is swinging is going to eventually hit us. So
Speaker 6: that's all, brother. But I appreciate you say, and you
Speaker 6: know your disagreement. I really do, Andrew laughing, But I
Speaker 6: want to hear from Angela first, and then let Andrew
Speaker 6: try to shake I already feel anyway, Anzela.
Speaker 1: Well he started off on the wrong foot with me
Speaker 1: because he said Angela and miss Frost what first of all, yeah.
Speaker 7: Right, homing with you?
Speaker 1: Now, well, he's gonna welcome not home, because I'm trying
Speaker 1: we either everybody welcome home or nobody is dan. But
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta say, I'm irritated by this question
Speaker 1: because I don't I don't ever mind a disagreement, but
Speaker 1: let it just be rooted in fact, right, Like you
Speaker 1: are entitled to your feelings, You're entitled to your perspective,
Speaker 1: You're entitled to your human story. What you're not about
Speaker 1: to do is put no words in my mouth, friend, Like,
Speaker 1: we're just not gonna do that. So I never called
Speaker 1: you to the front line of a protest. Why, brother,
Speaker 1: I ain't there neither. I'm not on the front lines
Speaker 1: of a protest right now. I don't know what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen to us on the front lines of a protest.
Speaker 1: I am engaging in community work, and you're invited there.
Speaker 1: You've been invited there every single week at State of
Speaker 1: the People. If you came to one of the places
Speaker 1: where we've toured if you if you tuned in online
Speaker 1: to a live stream of one of the events we've done,
Speaker 1: if you tuned into the National Assembly, you would know
Speaker 1: that Malcolm X's daughter was at the event speaking and
Speaker 1: endorsing what we're representing. So clearly we're not that far
Speaker 1: off of what our daddy represents. Friend, So I just
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure mister dj' what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: You're certainly welcome to always submit your commentary. You don't
Speaker 1: need an Apple laptop shield as Andrew is putting up.
Speaker 1: You kild no walls for you, or are LATINX brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters. And here's what I'm also going to tell you.
Speaker 1: It's already coming to your front door. And this is
Speaker 1: why we told you we thought you should care. This
Speaker 1: is why we wanted you to pay attention. This is
Speaker 1: why we wanted you to not turn a blind eye
Speaker 1: to the suffering of our neighbors. Because of this right here,
Speaker 1: let's roll the clip.
Speaker 9: We also have a lot of bad people that have
Speaker 9: been here for a long time. People that whack people
Speaker 9: over the head with a baseball, bad from behind when
Speaker 9: they're not looking and kill them. People that knife you
Speaker 9: when you're walking down the street. They're not new to
Speaker 9: our country. They're all to our country. Many of them
Speaker 9: were born in our country. I think we already get
Speaker 9: them the hell out of here too. We had some
Speaker 9: bad accidents in New York and they're not accidents. They
Speaker 9: were done very much in purpose. People being pushed into
Speaker 9: a subway just before it arrives going forty miles an hour,
Speaker 9: and they're ten feet away from where the thing is
Speaker 9: to get pushed right into the face of the subway train,
Speaker 9: get whacked and killed. And these are sick people. I'd
Speaker 9: like to get them out of here too.
Speaker 1: So I'm running that clip, and I want y'all to
Speaker 1: weigh in here, because this is the very thing we're
Speaker 1: talking about. In one of our black papers. We got
Speaker 1: a black Papers policy initiative. It's called from dread Scott
Speaker 1: to Deportations. And for those of you who are listening
Speaker 1: at home and don't know, dread Scott challenged his right
Speaker 1: to be a citizen in this country. I believe the
Speaker 1: case was in maybe he was born in seventeen fifteen,
Speaker 1: I don't know, before slavery was over and he had
Speaker 1: been free, was moved to another state where he would
Speaker 1: not be free anymore. Dred Scott was told in the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court decision that he was not a citizen because
Speaker 1: he was enslaved, and therefore he could not be a citizen.
Speaker 1: And so birthright citizenship, which we all have because of
Speaker 1: the Fourteenth Amendment, is now being challenged on every side
Speaker 1: by this administration. The fact that this man is talking
Speaker 1: about deporting people who are criminals, and let's be super
Speaker 1: super clear about the fact, because some of y'all might
Speaker 1: be silly enough. TIP might think you you're dumb. I
Speaker 1: might think you're silly. Some of y'all might be silly
Speaker 1: enough to think, well, if they're a criminal, that can go. Well,
Speaker 1: how many of y'all if you're honest and you throw
Speaker 1: your bias out the window, know you have someone who's
Speaker 1: incarcerating your family, one of your friends. We all know
Speaker 1: someone who's been wrongfully accused. So Donald Trump saying that
Speaker 1: someone committed this crime does not make it so.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: This country has a pattern in practice and deep treacherous
Speaker 1: history of saying that black people committed crimes they did not.
Speaker 1: In fact, the National Registry of Exonerations and Your report
Speaker 1: says nearly sixty one percent of exonaies are black, they're
Speaker 1: exonerated because they did not commit the damn crime. So
Speaker 1: I want to be clear when I say, we know
Speaker 1: that deportations could also apply to citizens, and those citizens
Speaker 1: would look like us. Why, because we're just as other
Speaker 1: as the Asian. We're just as other as the indigenous person.
Speaker 1: We're just as other as our Latino brothers and sisters.
Speaker 1: So maybe I was mad at the Rainbow Coalition, but
Speaker 1: goddamn it, we need each other now because the math
Speaker 1: on math. So get on board. Now.
Speaker 6: Let me just say back to the viewer again, we
Speaker 6: just want to thank you for submitting your question. Even
Speaker 6: when we disagree, we definitely respect Miss Cross. Thanks you well. Yes,
Speaker 6: I thank you for taking the time to listen to
Speaker 6: our show and to submit a question, because if you
Speaker 6: didn't tune in and care enough to submit that, we
Speaker 6: wouldn't be here.
Speaker 1: Listen away.
Speaker 6: He said specifically about your quote, saying that your rest
Speaker 6: is selfish, and he said that we were suggesting that
Speaker 6: people should be on the front lines of protests, which
Speaker 6: perhaps I did not know, but he wasn't saying like
Speaker 6: he said, we suggested it. And so I think to
Speaker 6: be fair and respectful to him, perhaps it did come
Speaker 6: across like that's what I was saying, and I just
Speaker 6: wanted to clarify it to him. Yeah, but he didn't
Speaker 6: name you. He named you, but yeah, but she's Misscross.
Speaker 6: I'm Angela you but even even so, I just want
Speaker 6: to you behind that wall. I just want to well,
Speaker 6: I think I remember that episode. So many people were
Speaker 6: a lot of people were agreeing with you Andrew and
Speaker 6: disagreeing with Angela and me. So I honored that, I
Speaker 6: do you know, I maintained my position and that we
Speaker 6: have to care. But I honored the disagreement and not
Speaker 6: don't want the viewer to think that we're just you know,
Speaker 6: like f you you ain't agree, Like no, we we
Speaker 6: hear you, and thank you for articulating your disagreement. And
Speaker 6: just to clarify because if you I think a lot
Speaker 6: of people probably felt that we were suggesting that because
Speaker 6: people even the comments, they were like, I'm not going
Speaker 6: out to protest, and that's not what we were suggesting.
Speaker 6: And just for the record, Angela and I were having
Speaker 6: a conversation.
Speaker 7: To uh.
Speaker 6: I think we were in Miami, and I was talking
Speaker 6: about if people come up to us to say things
Speaker 6: and about the other and Angela made a point like
Speaker 6: they better not they better not say nothing about the
Speaker 6: co host, blah blah, and the comment. There were many
Speaker 6: comments that were saying, honestly, guys, it would be disrespectful
Speaker 6: to Angela to go go up to her to say
Speaker 6: something bad about Tiffany.
Speaker 7: And I was like, but it's not dispicable to meet.
Speaker 1: Up all they made you too. They know that's a
Speaker 1: given to you. That's the same way where he was.
Speaker 6: Like, and I think he was saying that, like you
Speaker 6: my girl, like I feel you and let me take you.
Speaker 4: Brother.
Speaker 1: I think he puts some respect on your name. And
Speaker 1: I'm still mad at him because I don't know what
Speaker 1: a malcau sent means.
Speaker 4: Content?
Speaker 1: Is that what he said? Okay? But I thought I thought.
Speaker 7: He said arguing with me for the video?
Speaker 1: What do he thanks? You know, miss Cross? Thanks you
Speaker 1: for your video. I'll thank you when you come back
Speaker 1: with and do come back, but do come back, welcome home.
Speaker 4: I don't know all these hating comments that y'all get,
Speaker 4: but I know what. I'm in the grocery store. These
Speaker 4: folks woke me and say, do you think I could
Speaker 4: get an autograph of of Tiffany and Angela. It's a
Speaker 4: good thing. I love these women like you should, and
Speaker 4: that's for mine. Ain't knowing you great, know that what's
Speaker 4: great is honestly y'all get a lot of love around
Speaker 4: here like I love. But Tiffany and angel those my girls.
Speaker 4: That my girls.
Speaker 1: So Tiffany, what he's not telling you is in Jackson,
Speaker 1: I almost got ran out of Toogaloo because Andrew left
Speaker 1: without telling me her didn't somebody want somebody follow you.
Speaker 4: We had to revisit that. She put me in a
Speaker 4: situation and then I got the blind But listen, one
Speaker 4: more topic.
Speaker 5: Do we have time.
Speaker 7: We're going to talk briefly about the Diddy trial.
Speaker 6: And I think we're talking about this because this is
Speaker 6: such a monumental decision that was not I think as
Speaker 6: a community, we didn't look at it just about Diddy,
Speaker 6: but collectively how we navigate the Me Too movement, the
Speaker 6: criminal justice system, our community, just just everything. I think
Speaker 6: Angela made a good point earlier that is this a distraction?
Speaker 7: We have this huge bill half and it's breaking news.
Speaker 6: You know that the verdict came down in the Ditty case,
Speaker 6: and I respect your opinion. Angel You know like, I
Speaker 6: don't want to talk about that, because that's you know
Speaker 6: what is the real impact of this bill has a
Speaker 6: more devastating impact on all of us than this Didty trial.
Speaker 7: But we're going to talk about it a little just because.
Speaker 6: You know, Andrew, you I'm curious your thoughts as a man,
Speaker 6: but I will say as a woman, I did not
Speaker 6: listen to every detail of this trial. I didn't read
Speaker 6: every detail. I couldn't stomach the details. But I will
Speaker 6: just say, and I hope that our viewers can honor
Speaker 6: me and give me a little bit of grace in
Speaker 6: this because I have not had a lot of time
Speaker 6: to process and really think about this. But it's really
Speaker 6: challenging for me to wish for a black man to
Speaker 6: spend the rest of his life in prison. It just
Speaker 6: is like it feels uncomfortable to celebrate sending a black
Speaker 6: man to the white man's prison. I also balanced that
Speaker 6: with the incredibly monstrous, heinous, disgusting behavior that we saw
Speaker 6: that was detailed before us, and from a legal perspective,
Speaker 6: which I don't understand at all. I was telling these
Speaker 6: guys earlier, I was asking, like all the lawyers, like
Speaker 6: how do you feel on people are like, I know,
Speaker 6: trial lawyer, like you should ask the trial lawyer because
Speaker 6: I was like, what about this and did they make
Speaker 6: the reco case? And they're like, yeah, I don't really
Speaker 6: do that. So I didn't have a chance to get
Speaker 6: a lot of response from trial lawyers about this. But
Speaker 6: I just I'm just trying to balance like, yes, I
Speaker 6: feel so like, yes, this man, they made the case that, yes,
Speaker 6: this man was a monster to these women. I don't
Speaker 6: know if we start locking up monsters for lifetime sentences.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I just I don't know how I feel about it.
Speaker 6: It looks like did he will serve some jail time.
Speaker 6: I think the most important thing to keep in mind
Speaker 6: are the victims, the people who were victimized by him.
Speaker 6: A lot of people you know, who were sexual assault
Speaker 6: victims themselves have come out, written up eds shared their
Speaker 6: thoughts on the way they felt he was grooming Cassie.
Speaker 6: A lot of people on the other side felt like, well,
Speaker 6: they were complicit because they were setting it up, which
Speaker 6: I think is such a shitty thought to have, to
Speaker 6: be honest with you. People are so quick to attack
Speaker 6: women and you know, or attack Cassie for not leaving,
Speaker 6: but not attack Diddy for being a monster in these cases.
Speaker 6: So I'm just I guess I'm okay. It doesn't really
Speaker 6: matter if I'm okay because I'm not the victim here.
Speaker 6: I think, you know, again, the victims are who matters.
Speaker 6: But I wasn't one of those people that's like, send
Speaker 6: him to jail forever. I just I don't know how.
Speaker 7: To deal with that.
Speaker 6: He will get out of prison. We never make another dime.
Speaker 6: He you know, he's on some level, I'm going to
Speaker 6: have a punishment, and I just I just hope y'all
Speaker 6: give me a little bit of grace because obviously I
Speaker 6: support women, and you know, there were black women who
Speaker 6: he harmed as well, So I stand with allegedly, thank
Speaker 6: you allegedly.
Speaker 4: Well, there is what we have and by the way,
Speaker 4: also admitted to you by his attorneys, and if that
Speaker 4: were around domestic abuse, that may have been a different story.
Speaker 6: And I'm in no way defending any of that behavior.
Speaker 6: I would never as a woman, as a black woman,
Speaker 6: I'm not defending that at all. All I'm saying is
Speaker 6: I'm never going to be a person that celebrates sending
Speaker 6: our folks to prison. That's not to say what he deserves.
Speaker 6: I just don't feel like I'm the arbiter of who
Speaker 6: deserves what you.
Speaker 1: Know, and I can't.
Speaker 4: We are, though, I mean our justice system, which we
Speaker 4: are not right very well represented in. We are not
Speaker 4: what you were expressing, Tiffany around just sort of the
Speaker 4: nuance and the conflict that exists within your being is
Speaker 4: I think you're calling out something that all of us,
Speaker 4: and I would just say, very specifically, I think black
Speaker 4: folks experience in these kinds of high profile cases that
Speaker 4: center black men, and even if it were a black women,
Speaker 4: but largely what we've seen, you know, you know, let's
Speaker 4: go back to Bill Cosby. A lot of us were like, Okay,
Speaker 4: maybe I don't know what happened, but if some wrong happened,
Speaker 4: I can't understand why I can't watch the Cosby Show anymore.
Speaker 4: I can't understand why I can't say no, right. But
Speaker 4: but you remember networks took it off. I remember there
Speaker 4: were all these apps you could no longer access it.
Speaker 4: I remember telling my own personal story of being motivated
Speaker 4: when to go to college because of what was exampled
Speaker 4: and what was modeled there and to be able to
Speaker 4: separate the the the personality of character on television from
Speaker 4: the man or the woman in real life. I mean,
Speaker 4: there are black actors and actresses that I've been around,
Speaker 4: and I have referred to them by the most popular
Speaker 4: role that I remember they played.
Speaker 6: Right, Comfortable, has nothing to do with Bill Cosby.
Speaker 10: Correct, Right, and then and then blame us for wanting
Speaker 10: to still watch television from it.
Speaker 4: Right. We know that in certain instances where we may
Speaker 4: have felt intuitively that a person may have been guilty,
Speaker 4: but we're also pleased that we didn't turn them over
Speaker 4: into a lifetime of the heinous system created quite frankly
Speaker 4: just for us.
Speaker 6: Because you brought it up be injury even in the
Speaker 6: Bill Cosby case, like, yes, this man likely harmed women.
Speaker 6: You know the evidence support did it fine. However, legally
Speaker 6: he did he they lied to him. If you tell me,
Speaker 6: you testify and I'm gonna give you immunity, you won't
Speaker 6: be charged with this. And then you turn around and
Speaker 6: charge like then, yes, you do have to let him
Speaker 6: out of jail. That is the way the legal corrupt system,
Speaker 6: right it.
Speaker 4: Is, And I think at the bottom, at the soul
Speaker 4: of this is a lot of suspicion around corruption. I
Speaker 4: will tell you when I saw the charges, and I
Speaker 4: didn't pay any attention. I have to tell you to
Speaker 4: the trial. I didn't read the news on it. It
Speaker 4: just wasn't. Unfortunately, it wasn't at the medium level or
Speaker 4: any level for that matter of of of of what
Speaker 4: I was putting attention on. That's not to say that
Speaker 4: it wasn't larger in our culture, very important for for
Speaker 4: what was exposed. But I do remember when the charging
Speaker 4: document came down, the indictment came down, and I kept thinking, one,
Speaker 4: let me just say out loud, I am highly suspicious,
Speaker 4: suspicious of the federal all systems of justice, but the
Speaker 4: federal system of justice very particularly. Okay, I've been on
Speaker 4: the other side of that. I've read indictments that included
Speaker 4: wholesale lies, the whole goddamn thing, all twenty however pages
Speaker 4: of it. But folks who were in the streets were
Speaker 4: reading it like it was a you know, a production
Speaker 4: of the local newspaper fact check and you know, wholly accountful,
Speaker 4: accounted for. And then the judge says, you realize that
Speaker 4: that is their opinion of what they believe occurred. And
Speaker 4: then there is what the defendant says, what is and
Speaker 4: has occurred, and in this court room, I'm going to
Speaker 4: tell you what you can and cannot listen to and
Speaker 4: what you can and cannot consider when you go back
Speaker 4: to deliberate this decision. When I saw racketeering, I my
Speaker 4: understanding of it. I didn't. I was like, oh, well, hey,
Speaker 4: good luck and proving this big, grand scheme enterprise. And
Speaker 4: then I thought back to my charge. Which shit, I
Speaker 4: they excuse me of having a grand scheme of an
Speaker 4: enterprise and with so much time to orchestrate in mummy
Speaker 4: people all over the place to ward my benefit of
Speaker 4: thirty thousand dollars. I guess that's what they thought, you know,
Speaker 4: And I don't want to compare the two from a
Speaker 4: fact pattern. I'm simply saying where my suspicion of the
Speaker 4: judicial system begins is it began long before my own experience.
Speaker 4: With my own experience was a true testament to the
Speaker 4: fact that these folks know how to tell a story.
Speaker 4: That's what I knew. And then there are no no no.
Speaker 4: I mean then the things that we know and we
Speaker 4: see with our own eyes that we can make judgment about.
Speaker 4: So when we think about the Cassie video, for instance,
Speaker 4: and how we felt inside, and how we deplored that,
Speaker 4: and how we believe that there are to be a consequence. Well,
Speaker 4: guess what, prosecutors, maybe in a state where you can
Speaker 4: prosecute domestic violence and the statue of limitations doesn't exist,
Speaker 4: which in many states, those statues of limitations on such
Speaker 4: crimes were lifted during the height of the me too era.
Speaker 4: And that's one thing, But you you got you wanted
Speaker 4: this jury to believe that this whole enterprise was set
Speaker 4: up to achieve a thing. The other thing that really
Speaker 4: bothered me about what I have assessed from the very
Speaker 4: peripheral look that that that that I've taken out this least,
Speaker 4: which is all of the loading up. If I read
Speaker 4: one more thing about baby oil, I wanted to puke.
Speaker 4: Because what it does is it takes individuals lifestyles and
Speaker 4: then conflates it with other what what what is truly
Speaker 4: justifiable legal wrongdoing? And then the idea is to then,
Speaker 4: because it is not like what we do, It is
Speaker 4: not very familiar to what you and your house and
Speaker 4: your household and and what your experiences have been. It
Speaker 4: is wrong, it is deplorable, it is illegal, it is
Speaker 4: a moral, it is all these things and I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: this ain't gosh to do with the thing that is
Speaker 4: being accused, And so you've now bought in all of
Speaker 4: this stuff to make me muddy and dirty and not
Speaker 4: like you and not publicly acceptable, so that people distance
Speaker 4: themselves in such a way that they're never going to
Speaker 4: see my humanity when they go back into a jury box,
Speaker 4: into a jury room for deliberations. Again, this is yes
Speaker 4: about the puppy case. This is also mostly about the
Speaker 4: greater criminal justice system, and largely a system that happened
Speaker 4: that cooperates to make something look a certain way, to
Speaker 4: introduce certain evidence, to introduce certain voices and perspectives, so
Speaker 4: that in a jury room those things get taken in
Speaker 4: And because I don't understand it, it must be wrong,
Speaker 4: because it's out of the society's mores mores, it must
Speaker 4: be wrong. And so that stuff, I just think, if
Speaker 4: you got a case.
Speaker 5: Bring it clean.
Speaker 4: If you've got a case you're accusing me of a
Speaker 4: set of things, bring your evidence. You bring it clean
Speaker 4: through the door. And when they try to get to fancy,
Speaker 4: when they try to do too much, they underestimate the
Speaker 4: value of I think considerate people sitting in a room
Speaker 4: looking at the instructions that they have to follow and
Speaker 4: arriving at a decision, and in our system of justice,
Speaker 4: that decision is a binding one.
Speaker 6: I just think it's a different though. Like I hear you,
Speaker 6: and I think if we suspend, if we're not talking
Speaker 6: about city, then you know.
Speaker 5: We can close too.
Speaker 7: But yes, but I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think what went into this case was a lot
Speaker 6: of his own displayed behavior. I think legally, yes, you're
Speaker 6: making a point about the justice system, but also I
Speaker 6: don't know that I can say that he's the victim
Speaker 6: in this.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not.
Speaker 6: I know, I know you are not calling him a victim.
Speaker 6: But the way you're speaking about the justice system, I'm
Speaker 6: making a clear distinction that you're talking about the justice system.
Speaker 6: And then there is the ditty case where there were
Speaker 6: some flaws and the charges that they brought. I just
Speaker 6: think this gets kind of to our conversation we had
Speaker 6: last week or the week before about protecting black men
Speaker 6: or protecting us really, but you know, the conversations about
Speaker 6: protecting black men. When we start to protect black men
Speaker 6: to the harm of women, that's when it's a challenge.
Speaker 6: And I do see so many comments, particularly when the
Speaker 6: Cassie video first came out, all these women just shit
Speaker 6: on her and it was like, oh, she lying, and
Speaker 6: she waited to now bring it up, and I don't
Speaker 6: believe her. And then the video came out in the
Speaker 6: New York Times article read like a time stamp of
Speaker 6: that video. And then most people's opinions change. But there
Speaker 6: were still people, and I would say it's probably less
Speaker 6: than one percent of women. Maybe their comments just the
Speaker 6: toxicity of it all right to the top. But still
Speaker 6: the people who are saying, well, they were into it,
Speaker 6: and well they were setting it up and they did this.
Speaker 6: Who gives the shit, you know, Like that doesn't make
Speaker 6: him the victim in a situation where he was being
Speaker 6: a monster to these women. Like I just I get
Speaker 6: a little frustrated with that or even the idea. I
Speaker 6: had a friend who I won't name out of respect
Speaker 6: for his privacy, but a friend who had similar accusations,
Speaker 6: and he was my friend, and I could honestly say
Speaker 6: to him privately, like, yeah, I think you made some
Speaker 6: fucked up decisions here, and I think you did cause
Speaker 6: these women some harm. But I could also say yeah,
Speaker 6: and I also think it's an attack on them like
Speaker 6: trying to get you. That doesn't excuse you or the
Speaker 6: harm that you cause these women, And I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think that's where I am. You know, the verdict
Speaker 6: came out this week, and like I said, I would
Speaker 6: just ask the audience for some grace as we're working
Speaker 6: through this. I don't want anybody to misunderstand and think
Speaker 6: that I'm sitting here trying to defend Diddy.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 6: I don't believe Andrew's trying to do that. I think
Speaker 6: You're simply pointing out flaws in the justice system and
Speaker 6: the complicated perceptions we can have when it comes to
Speaker 6: these types of charges being brought, for one to anybody,
Speaker 6: and to the women who are harmed. I mean, you know,
Speaker 6: there were black women, like I said, who he harmed,
Speaker 6: and other people anecdotally who I know who have had
Speaker 6: incidents that I won't share because you know, I'm not
Speaker 6: a reporter. I wasn't reporting on this and it would
Speaker 6: be a responsible for me to say so. But enough
Speaker 6: people anecdotally who have had really negative experiences with him,
Speaker 6: and so if there's a message, I would just say,
Speaker 6: I hope that a lot of these men with money
Speaker 6: and power change their behavior and know like these incidents
Speaker 6: it's you know, from freak offs to like all these
Speaker 6: things just change your behavior.
Speaker 4: What a conversation is just hating up, but we gotta
Speaker 4: pay some bills.
Speaker 5: Sketch on the other side.
Speaker 4: Right now, we are wrestling out loud with our thoughts,
Speaker 4: feelings and emotions that don't always fit congruent with each other.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sensing conflict all over my own thoughts
Speaker 4: about some of this right, And I don't have to
Speaker 4: have proximity to a woman to know what is right
Speaker 4: and wrong and how you treat a person period. I
Speaker 4: don't that that doesn't have to be my context achieving
Speaker 4: a black woman or somebody else that it No how
Speaker 4: do you treat If you hit my son across the
Speaker 4: face right unprovoked, you gonna have some issues with me.
Speaker 4: So I'm again, I'm talking about my situation unprovoked.
Speaker 5: This is that and the third.
Speaker 4: But there are also people who conclude, you know what,
Speaker 4: adults make adult decisions. I believe and I trust adults,
Speaker 4: consenting adults to be able to sit together and to
Speaker 4: arrive at a thing that they want to do, and
Speaker 4: to do it willingly betwixt each other and I don't
Speaker 4: have room to make excuses for the various motivations of
Speaker 4: why right, there are folks who would, you know, barrel
Speaker 4: this whole decision down on one person's actions and completely
Speaker 4: excuse the actions of another. There are some of us
Speaker 4: who you know, do the reverse for a different party.
Speaker 4: And likely the scenario is is that, you know what,
Speaker 4: a bunch of bad decisions got made by a bunch
Speaker 4: of people. And now what we are considering, however, is
Speaker 4: not a bunch of bad decisions, but when those decisions
Speaker 4: crossed a legal line that is provable, that should then
Speaker 4: result in the legal consequences and penalties. So say a
Speaker 4: jury of your peers, and a jury of peers went
Speaker 4: to the courthouse and they reckoned with these questions. They
Speaker 4: gave weeks time away from their family and their jobs,
Speaker 4: and they listened. They took it in, unlike me who
Speaker 4: had to operate on this from whatever left off the
Speaker 4: pages of the Internet, which is certainly not the reflection
Speaker 4: of all the things that go down in that room.
Speaker 4: So I have to trust and believe that those folks
Speaker 4: did what was merited of them. That can still result
Speaker 4: in us having a very wide different set of opinions
Speaker 4: about how this thing to have come down. In all truth,
Speaker 4: I really have issues with a lot of this whole thing,
Speaker 4: and I'm trying to be able to sense this through
Speaker 4: a lens that is outside of just my own, but
Speaker 4: my own experience weighs heavily on how I see the
Speaker 4: system and all parts of it and all of us
Speaker 4: who have to cooperate in it. If there was wrongdoing
Speaker 4: done on behalf off, did it? You heard the attorneys
Speaker 4: for him say, my client did wrong and if you
Speaker 4: were probably on this we give way to that issue.
Speaker 4: And you have folks on the other side who made
Speaker 4: accusations and claims that suggested otherwise, and that all had
Speaker 4: to be ferreted through. What I hope the takeaway is
Speaker 4: from us for many, You know, for folks, one is
Speaker 4: have the conversation and a safe enough environment where you
Speaker 4: feel like you can be completely honest with where you are,
Speaker 4: how you got there, and you don't make silly excuses
Speaker 4: about why it is a thing went away. A thing
Speaker 4: went without having scrutinized it, without having interrogated it enough
Speaker 4: for yourself, because that just leads to a perpetuation of
Speaker 4: a bunch of behaviors that we all as a society
Speaker 4: need to suspend with. I also hope that people will
Speaker 4: lower their judgment radar a little bit, meaning your judgment
Speaker 4: on other people, and determine that just because a thing
Speaker 4: isn't my thing doesn't make it an illegal thing or
Speaker 4: a bad thing for that matter. So I am going
Speaker 4: to withhold judgment on whether group sex is a bad
Speaker 4: thing or a good thing, and just state that group
Speaker 4: sex took place. And if in law and your state
Speaker 4: they prosecute you for group sex, then write the damn crime,
Speaker 4: bring me the evidence, put that before a jury and
Speaker 4: its admissible form, and let them decide. But if you're
Speaker 4: going to swing from the rafters on your charging document
Speaker 4: and you're going to bring things toward me that I
Speaker 4: know and most reasonable people could conclude did not occur,
Speaker 4: you have to deal with that as well. And I
Speaker 4: blame in some ways on this on the prosecution, the
Speaker 4: fact that there are going to be parts of this
Speaker 4: narrative that are going to be understood by whole groups
Speaker 4: of people and draw them to the conclusion that my
Speaker 4: life is not as important that my gender renders me
Speaker 4: subjugate to a man, or from a man's perspective, that
Speaker 4: you know what, it doesn't matter what you really did,
Speaker 4: because you're forever going to be burdened by what they
Speaker 4: said you did and you'll always be judged through that lens.
Speaker 4: So there are a lot of offenses that can be
Speaker 4: taking place here, a lot. I just think we ought
Speaker 4: to be able to have a reasonable conversation, admit that
Speaker 4: we don't know what the complete and the right answers are,
Speaker 4: and to also say that we can have contradictions in
Speaker 4: our thoughts and our feelings based off of how we
Speaker 4: approach a thing through what lens by which we see it.
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you this, I don't see any winners.
Speaker 4: There are no winners here. I think there's a lot
Speaker 4: of hurt and pain that folks are going to have
Speaker 4: to process. And that's what makes this conversation one that
Speaker 4: is conversation worthy because it's implications reached beyond just the
Speaker 4: parties involved. They send me a message to a whole
Speaker 4: group of people that the people were involved in implicated
Speaker 4: here will never know the names of where they live,
Speaker 4: where they come from, or their stories.
Speaker 6: Well, I hear all that, Andrew. I just wanted to
Speaker 6: say he was not just charged with having group sex
Speaker 6: but I.
Speaker 7: Know, I know, I know what you're saying.
Speaker 6: I just I'm I completely one hundred percent understand you.
Speaker 6: I'm making this point for the audience because I don't
Speaker 6: want the audience to misunderstand what you're saying. And sometimes
Speaker 6: in our nuance, I think people aren't necessarily capable of wrapping.
Speaker 4: Their arms around nuance.
Speaker 6: My thoughts are with the victims, the survivors of some
Speaker 6: of this terrible behavior, and not just the people that
Speaker 6: did he victimize, but all survivors of people who were
Speaker 6: victimized in this way. Again, I have you know, we
Speaker 6: love our black men, but not to the extent where
Speaker 6: I'm willing to let black women get harmed and say
Speaker 6: nothing or defend the abuser in favor of him and
Speaker 6: not my sisters who have been abused.
Speaker 4: So I'm to evaluate this case based off of the
Speaker 4: individuals involved in the individual's actions, rather than them be
Speaker 4: a representative of all black men or of black women.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and again, this is not this is not about
Speaker 7: all black men. You know, this is you know, No, no,
Speaker 7: I know.
Speaker 4: And this is why I wanted to say that, Tiff,
Speaker 4: because I think this is how folks, this is how
Speaker 4: we all end up squaring off. Yeah, and going to
Speaker 4: the corners is when it is excusing bad behavior black
Speaker 4: man at the risk of the lives, livelihoods, well being
Speaker 4: a black woman. It is somebody or somebody's made bad
Speaker 4: decisions that have hurt you know this or that, right
Speaker 4: you name it. I'm leaving it blank because we all
Speaker 4: got listeners who feel a different way. Name where you
Speaker 4: feel that offense took place, but that's the perpetrator by name,
Speaker 4: that's the victim by name, vice versa, and let that
Speaker 4: be that. I don't want us to What I know
Speaker 4: often happens is the projection of the actions and because
Speaker 4: a person fits that profile, that the action is taken
Speaker 4: by the person of that profile reflect on everybody.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Matt, I think that's a fair fair point to make.
Speaker 6: And I again, it's so hard trying to have these
Speaker 6: conversations and you know, in a very careful way. But
Speaker 6: I also don't want black men to feel admonished. Here
Speaker 6: we're talking about Diddy and other people like how you
Speaker 6: who engage in shitty behavior and the women who they harm.
Speaker 6: This is not casting a dark shadow over all black men. Obviously,
Speaker 6: you know, we have an amazing black man on the
Speaker 6: show with us, and you know.
Speaker 7: Most black men do not behave in this.
Speaker 6: Manner, but we thought it important to at least talk
Speaker 6: about this and have some sort of guided discussion around
Speaker 6: what's happening. Is you guys are trying to navigate your space,
Speaker 6: so Nick has been telling us the rap.
Speaker 7: So we do need to.
Speaker 6: Talk about what we want to talk about on the
Speaker 6: minibod and give people calls to action. But thank you
Speaker 6: Andrew for your perspective on that, because I thought I
Speaker 6: just appreciated your nuanced perspective on the criminal justice system
Speaker 6: and what's happening.
Speaker 4: We are noting that some of the accusations made against
Speaker 4: Sean Combs are yet to be proven in the court
Speaker 4: of law.
Speaker 6: I guess my call to action, know is, you know,
Speaker 6: I feel a little bit. I guess I'm growing exhausted
Speaker 6: with the attacks on black women and this, you know,
Speaker 6: the d D case services a lot of that. Most
Speaker 6: black men in my life are amazing, wonderful human beings.
Speaker 6: They look at these, you know, people in the among
Speaker 6: the podcast bros, and you know, the mana sphere with
Speaker 6: great condocents that they don't you know, have a healthy
Speaker 6: relationship with black women from their moms, to sisters, to partners,
Speaker 6: et cetera. So I think I would ask that we
Speaker 6: just laid off black women, you know, like and that
Speaker 6: goes to our brethren. I'm not appealing to white folks,
Speaker 6: so because I just don't know if that even matters.
Speaker 6: You know, we've been made the enemy of the country,
Speaker 6: but it also goes to other black women, you know.
Speaker 6: I think these comments about you know, what women should
Speaker 6: have done and how women are, I think it's so
Speaker 6: self hating and fucked up. So yeah, my request would
Speaker 6: be to offer grace. That's my CTA. Be careful with
Speaker 6: that digital anonymity. When you're shitting on someone else's experience
Speaker 6: or just saying something ugly, if you wouldn't say it
Speaker 6: to that person's face, then don't type in a comment
Speaker 6: because other survivors see you uh and they hear that,
Speaker 6: and it discourages people from coming forward to give their
Speaker 6: testimony about it. So that's my CTA. I kick it,
Speaker 6: see you brother h If you don't, I.
Speaker 5: Don't have one other than to say happy fourth.
Speaker 4: And if you're spending it out, be safe. I do
Speaker 4: mean that I sound dredged like. I like that it
Speaker 4: took a hard time. I do mean I wish people
Speaker 4: to be safe, good, good, any time and be safe.
Speaker 7: Okay, that's a good one.
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