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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, well, come, welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home.

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Speaker 3: Y'all.

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Speaker 1: This is episode eighty six of Native Lampod, where we

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Speaker 1: give you our breakdown of all things politics and culture.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot going on in the world right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm with my co host Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gilliam.

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Speaker 1: I'm Angela Raie. Y'all, what do you want to talk

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Speaker 1: about today?

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Speaker 4: Well, as you said, Angela, there is a lot going

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Speaker 4: on in the world in the news today. Budget budget, budget, budget,

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Speaker 4: budget is top.

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Speaker 5: Of mind from you right now.

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Speaker 4: And I'm also interested in us possibly weighing into this big, big,

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Speaker 4: big big verdict that came down this week. Maybe we can,

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Speaker 4: at least amongst the three of us, hope our listeners

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Speaker 4: sort of navigate this strange land we're in.

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Speaker 6: The verdict you're referencing, of course, is the verdict in

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Speaker 6: the Sean Puffy Colmes trial that came down on Wednesday.

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Speaker 6: So definitely will join you there. But what I'm most

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Speaker 6: interested in talking about is our viewer questions, because we

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Speaker 6: have a few viewer questions this week and we've asked

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Speaker 6: you how to submit your questions, and I just want

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Speaker 6: to thank you for taking the time to submit them.

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Speaker 7: So we want to get to those.

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Speaker 1: And I want to just highlight briefly, or maybe it's

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Speaker 1: a low light from a low life something that your

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Speaker 1: president said about how he intends to handle United States

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Speaker 1: citizens who have committed crimes. Maybe maybe if they've committed crimes.

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Speaker 1: So we'll get into all of that and much more.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 8: My name is doctor Charity O. Yettojee. I'm a hematologist

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Speaker 8: and researcher focused on improving care for people with sickle

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Speaker 8: cell disease. I received a notice on June sixteenth, twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty five that mikey award a five year, seven hundred

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Speaker 8: and fifty thousand dollars federal NIH grant to improve care

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Speaker 8: for people with sickle cell disease as they age was

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Speaker 8: suddenly and unjustly terminated despite strong scientific evidence and early

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Speaker 8: proven results. Determination notice stated that research with equity objectives

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Speaker 8: does nothing to expand our knowledge of living systems and

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Speaker 8: our quote unquote lower turn on investment and don't enhance health,

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Speaker 8: and also are harmful to Americans. These statements are inaccurate

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Speaker 8: and disrespectful for so many reasons. Sickle cell disease is

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Speaker 8: a painful, life limiting genetic disorder that can be inherited

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Speaker 8: by people of all racial and ethnic backgrounds around the world.

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Speaker 8: Sickle cell disease primarily affects black people in the United States.

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Speaker 8: My research was focused on developing the first and only

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Speaker 8: functional assessment in the first and only exercise program tailored

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Speaker 8: to the unique needs of older adose fiscal soul disease

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Speaker 8: called sickle FIT. Ending this project not only silences promising

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Speaker 8: solutions for a neglected group of patients, but also sends

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Speaker 8: a devastating message to future researchers that even life changing,

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Speaker 8: evidence based science can be discarded without cause. My question

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Speaker 8: is what can be done to overcome these grant terminations

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Speaker 8: and how do researchers doing impactful work for underserved populations

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Speaker 8: find a way forward?

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Speaker 5: Thank you, you know.

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Speaker 4: The frustrating part about this lady's is the there's already

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Speaker 4: not enough research done on the diseases that have unique

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Speaker 4: impact on our community. I'm reflecting on the doctor's question,

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Speaker 4: which had so many I'm the only I'm the first

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Speaker 4: and only you know researching in this and will provide

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Speaker 4: the you know, the first and only to this, and

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Speaker 4: for that to be just ceremoniously and quite quite quite

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Speaker 4: harmfully not factually dismantled. It's crazy. As she read some

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Speaker 4: of the words from the letter that she received, I

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Speaker 4: was thinking, what AI bought from, you know, from Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump's government produced this letter as as as filled with

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Speaker 4: inaccuracies as it was, and I can only imagine the

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Speaker 4: doctor's frustration. I will just say, and and Angela, you

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Speaker 4: probably have a more direct, maybe way forward for her here.

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Speaker 4: But these were dollars that were already appropriated by the Congress.

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Speaker 4: Remember the Congress is the appropriator in our system of government,

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Speaker 4: signed into law by a president. These are dollars that

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Speaker 4: were already determined to where they were supposed to go.

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Speaker 4: The government just needed to write the check, send the

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Speaker 4: direct deposit, whatever it is that they do, and Donald

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Speaker 4: if there are other suits that she can potentially join onto.

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Speaker 4: But I believe that there are still grounds here for

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Speaker 1: This administration is doing that all the time. There was

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Speaker 1: the Department of Education withheld school funding to the tune

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Speaker 1: of six point nine billion dollars that was already allocated

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Speaker 1: and supposed to be sent from the Department of Education,

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Speaker 1: which you all know now is you know, in the

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Speaker 1: works of being dismantled. And I think what's most important is,

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Speaker 1: as we're on this podcast, the Congressional Black Caucus is

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Speaker 1: democratic amendment on Donald Trump's budget, which he's named the

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Speaker 1: Big Beautiful Bill. We've called it the Big Ugly Bill,

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Speaker 1: We've called it Trump's Bad BBL. All of the things.

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Speaker 1: We've had a marathon since Monday at six pm Eastern

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Speaker 1: deconstructing this bill that causes great harm. And what we

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Speaker 1: need to understand is that one point three trillion dollars

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Speaker 1: frankly just moved over transferred to the wealthiest Americans among us,

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Speaker 1: you know, we keep giving people these high hopes that

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Speaker 1: There's a list of twenty something members in the House

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Speaker 1: I'm at the point right now where I am tired

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Speaker 1: people who only care about doing what is right for

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Speaker 1: Nebuca Nezer who is Donald Trump. They don't care about

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Speaker 1: anybody else. And I will rather us be very clear

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Speaker 1: it is the most harmful legislation that will be passed

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Speaker 1: got to spend just as much. But what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Like when we use these terms, people don't know what

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Speaker 1: It shuts down, and we have to be honest with

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Speaker 1: You still should. Maybe the most vulnerable of the GOP

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Speaker 4: So the direct advice for the question would be litigation, litigation, litigation,

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Speaker 4: because I think we're just at a place where folks

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Speaker 4: wouldn't have an issue here. Unfortunately, we have feckless members

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you putting, you know again, relight on this.

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Speaker 4: I do think that pressure does burst pipes. I think

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Speaker 4: we have to apply pressure, and pressure comes in many forms.

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Speaker 4: But more than anything, what these members of Congress are

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Speaker 4: Trump and his how do you say, get back evil

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Speaker 4: spirit to the six to eight hundred thousand of you

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Speaker 1: to the point of what Andrews. She's blooded down so

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Speaker 1: many times before, so she may have voted for this

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Speaker 1: fifty fifty fifty. No, I was gonna say fifty percent percent.

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Speaker 1: Fifty other people, though, voted with Lisa Murkis. This is

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Speaker 1: my point, including JD band So no matter what, justff

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Speaker 1: you miss me with the like white woman Bollsted, she's

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Speaker 1: a hero and she said she's scared and she's doing

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Speaker 1: the right thing.

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Speaker 6: I'm so tired of that narrative. Our our black members

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Speaker 6: of Congress are pretty much dismissed in all their efforts.

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Speaker 6: But this random ass I wanted, this random ass see

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Speaker 6: you next Tuesday, is out here talking out the side

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Speaker 6: of her neck and gets excuse for it, and it

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Speaker 6: drives me crazy. Anyway, Andrew, and you lied about a

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Speaker 6: production timeout, and I.

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Speaker 4: Just want to camp that you requested now I absolutely will.

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Speaker 4: This is simply to say, if you think you are

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Speaker 4: getting away with not feeling the consequences of what is

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Speaker 4: happening here in the next couple of months or maybe

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Speaker 4: even the next year, I want you to know that

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Speaker 4: these savvy ass Republicans decided that they were going to

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Speaker 4: delay the impacts of cuts. All of the negative impacts

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Speaker 4: they have backloaded in the bill, which means they have

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Speaker 4: set for them to take effect immediately following the next

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Speaker 4: general election in twenty twenty six. So don't think we've

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Speaker 4: gotten away with anything. They're conniving their willingness to lie

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Speaker 4: sheet steel. They have only saved themselves, but because they

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Speaker 4: think we stupid enough not to understand that this thing

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Speaker 4: is going to have detri mental impacts on all of us.

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Speaker 4: But they don't want you showing up in November of

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Speaker 4: twenty two six mad, so they push the effects of

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Speaker 4: all the tens of thousands, hundreds of you know, tens

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Speaker 4: of thousands of people that they're going to push off

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Speaker 4: of health care and the millions billions you would say

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Speaker 4: that are going to be added to the cost of

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Speaker 4: those of us who do right now afford our own

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Speaker 4: insurance and pay for it. All that they plan to

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Speaker 4: have kick us in the ass right after they compete

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Speaker 4: to hold the house hold, the Senate, and of course

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Speaker 4: the presidency isn't up in twenty twenty six. But all

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Speaker 4: of that they plan to save by kicking the impacts

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Speaker 4: that are going to hurt all of us the most

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Speaker 4: to right after the next election.

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Speaker 7: All right with that?

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Speaker 6: In the er questions with that, let's hear from the

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Speaker 6: viewer who has some smoke for Angelo and me tas.

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Speaker 3: Leaving from San Diego?

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Speaker 2: Money is DJ Johnson?

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Speaker 3: And that a question for Angela and from his cross.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys believe that it could be a fair

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Speaker 3: critique from some of us that sometimes you talk to

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Speaker 3: us as if we are stupid or political mild patents.

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Speaker 3: And I'll use the example of the political the migrant

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Speaker 3: protests reservations that our guys expressed. But I believe it

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Speaker 3: was Angela that calls some of us selfish because we're

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Speaker 3: not super willing to jump into a front line the

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Speaker 3: protests on the alp of our neighbors. But I remember

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Speaker 3: both of you doing November after Vice President Harris lost

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Speaker 3: the election, basically saying that held with the idea of

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Speaker 3: a rainbow coalition. So do you believe that the echo

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Speaker 3: chamber that your guys are living in, you believe that

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Speaker 3: that echo chamber is starting to position you to be

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Speaker 3: the same people that Malcolm X warned.

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Speaker 4: Us against in the ballot of the bullet.

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Speaker 3: I disagree with the show sometime, but I do enjoy it,

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Speaker 3: and I'll see you nothing but love, thank you.

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Speaker 7: I love.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 6: We'll get to that, but I just want to say, first,

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Speaker 6: thank you so much, so much for us admitting that

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Speaker 6: video question. I just truly we really appreciate when you

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Speaker 6: take the time to sit down and record a video

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Speaker 6: and ask us a question. And the reason I wanted

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Speaker 6: to make sure that we got to it is because

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Speaker 6: it's a conversation with you guys. We don't mean to

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Speaker 6: talk at you, and we want to highlight when you

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Speaker 6: disagree with us and drop us a note and we'll

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Speaker 6: talk about it. So first and foremost, nothing but gratitude

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Speaker 6: to you, brother. But to your question, I let Angel

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Speaker 6: respond because I know he talked about you know your

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Speaker 6: your rest is selfish. But I just wanted to say,

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Speaker 6: because Lolo sent us this question earlier, Andrew, can you

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Speaker 6: please put your computer down?

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Speaker 7: Lolo sent us this question.

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Speaker 6: Earlier and what I have, but I like he's trying

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Speaker 6: to I don't get it being distracted anyway, because the

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Speaker 6: bullets about the ship when Lolo sent us this question,

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Speaker 6: I did go back and watch, and I don't believe

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Speaker 6: that I said the Rainbow Coalition is dead. But I

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Speaker 6: will say, you know, a lot of outlets will ask

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Speaker 6: me to come on. This thing happened today, you know,

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Speaker 6: can you Angelie remember how it is in that cable

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Speaker 6: news rush, you know, like you going about today and

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Speaker 6: they're like, come on right now and talk about this thing,

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Speaker 6: or come on tonight, and there is some benefit. I

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Speaker 6: rarely say yes, because there's some benefit to like sitting

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Speaker 6: down thinking about it and not jumping out there so

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Speaker 6: quickly every time something happens. After the election, I was

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Speaker 6: surprised by the numbers and we're still getting updated data.

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Speaker 6: Exit poser, notoriously unreliable Pugh just came out with new

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Speaker 6: voting numbers last week. That Pew Research is an institution

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Speaker 6: that I trust emphatically, So I don't believe I ever

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Speaker 6: said to hell with the Rainbow Coalition. My only point

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Speaker 6: about and I'm not arrogant enough to tell people what

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Speaker 6: they should or should not be doing. So if I

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Speaker 6: if I come across that way, it's not my intention.

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Speaker 6: I am arrogant enough to say what people should care.

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Speaker 6: And when I see comments from people who are looking

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Speaker 6: at the government, disappearing people saying we don't care, reminding

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Speaker 6: our business, my point to you is we do care,

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Speaker 6: because that will eventually be us. And we've already seen

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Speaker 6: black people being detained, deported and just trying to give information.

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Speaker 6: And I respectfully say, I don't know what echo chamber

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Speaker 6: you're referencing. The only quote from Malcolm X that I

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Speaker 6: know where he talks about like people in the media

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Speaker 6: making you like hate heroes, and that's not at all.

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Speaker 6: I reject the notion that I'm in that kind of

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Speaker 6: echo chamber. I think all of us, you know, talk

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Speaker 6: to different people and do different things. If I'm coming

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Speaker 6: across like I'm talking to me like you're stupid, which

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Speaker 6: I can do sometimes, I'm sure I don't want to

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Speaker 6: gaslight you and say I don't do that sometimes quite honestly,

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Speaker 6: I do think people are dumb. You know, we had

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Speaker 6: a conversation like that on this. When I see some

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Speaker 6: of the comments from people, I do think, wow, this

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Speaker 6: is we are eroding our intellect when I see people,

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Speaker 6: you know, and it's not that, you know, I don't

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Speaker 6: criticize people for not caring or I do purtends people

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Speaker 6: not caring. I don't criticize people for not being engaged

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Speaker 6: one hundred percent.

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Speaker 7: But I do. It is some level of frustration.

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Speaker 6: It is looking at society at large that seems to

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Speaker 6: be giving a shoulder shrug and taking selfies and you know,

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Speaker 6: just not really engage the way that we once were.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I hear you. I take all your point.

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Speaker 6: And I was never trying to say go out there

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Speaker 6: and protest, go out there and be on the front lines.

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Speaker 7: My only notion was.

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Speaker 6: We have to give a fuck like we just do.

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Speaker 6: It's our humanity, it's our fellow human beings, and whatever

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Speaker 6: acts is swinging is going to eventually hit us. So

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Speaker 6: that's all, brother. But I appreciate you say, and you

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Speaker 6: know your disagreement. I really do, Andrew laughing, But I

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Speaker 6: want to hear from Angela first, and then let Andrew

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Speaker 6: try to shake I already feel anyway, Anzela.

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Speaker 1: Well he started off on the wrong foot with me

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Speaker 1: because he said Angela and miss Frost what first of all, yeah.

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Speaker 7: Right, homing with you?

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Speaker 1: Now, well, he's gonna welcome not home, because I'm trying

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Speaker 1: we either everybody welcome home or nobody is dan. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I gotta say, I'm irritated by this question

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Speaker 1: because I don't I don't ever mind a disagreement, but

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Speaker 1: let it just be rooted in fact, right, Like you

589
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Speaker 1: are entitled to your feelings, You're entitled to your perspective,

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Speaker 1: You're entitled to your human story. What you're not about

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Speaker 1: to do is put no words in my mouth, friend, Like,

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Speaker 1: we're just not gonna do that. So I never called

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Speaker 1: you to the front line of a protest. Why, brother,

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Speaker 1: I ain't there neither. I'm not on the front lines

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Speaker 1: of a protest right now. I don't know what's gonna

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Speaker 1: happen to us on the front lines of a protest.

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Speaker 1: I am engaging in community work, and you're invited there.

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Speaker 1: You've been invited there every single week at State of

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Speaker 1: the People. If you came to one of the places

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Speaker 1: where we've toured if you if you tuned in online

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Speaker 1: to a live stream of one of the events we've done,

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Speaker 1: if you tuned into the National Assembly, you would know

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Speaker 1: that Malcolm X's daughter was at the event speaking and

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Speaker 1: endorsing what we're representing. So clearly we're not that far

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Speaker 1: off of what our daddy represents. Friend, So I just

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Speaker 1: I'm not really sure mister dj' what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: You're certainly welcome to always submit your commentary. You don't

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Speaker 1: need an Apple laptop shield as Andrew is putting up.

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Speaker 1: You kild no walls for you, or are LATINX brothers

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Speaker 1: and sisters. And here's what I'm also going to tell you.

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Speaker 1: It's already coming to your front door. And this is

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Speaker 1: why we told you we thought you should care. This

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Speaker 1: is why we wanted you to pay attention. This is

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Speaker 1: why we wanted you to not turn a blind eye

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Speaker 1: to the suffering of our neighbors. Because of this right here,

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Speaker 1: let's roll the clip.

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Speaker 9: We also have a lot of bad people that have

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Speaker 9: been here for a long time. People that whack people

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Speaker 9: over the head with a baseball, bad from behind when

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Speaker 9: they're not looking and kill them. People that knife you

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Speaker 9: when you're walking down the street. They're not new to

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Speaker 9: our country. They're all to our country. Many of them

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Speaker 9: were born in our country. I think we already get

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Speaker 9: them the hell out of here too. We had some

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Speaker 9: bad accidents in New York and they're not accidents. They

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Speaker 9: were done very much in purpose. People being pushed into

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Speaker 9: a subway just before it arrives going forty miles an hour,

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Speaker 9: and they're ten feet away from where the thing is

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Speaker 9: to get pushed right into the face of the subway train,

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Speaker 9: get whacked and killed. And these are sick people. I'd

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Speaker 9: like to get them out of here too.

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Speaker 1: So I'm running that clip, and I want y'all to

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Speaker 1: weigh in here, because this is the very thing we're

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Speaker 1: talking about. In one of our black papers. We got

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Speaker 1: a black Papers policy initiative. It's called from dread Scott

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Speaker 1: to Deportations. And for those of you who are listening

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Speaker 1: at home and don't know, dread Scott challenged his right

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Speaker 1: to be a citizen in this country. I believe the

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Speaker 1: case was in maybe he was born in seventeen fifteen,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, before slavery was over and he had

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Speaker 1: been free, was moved to another state where he would

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Speaker 1: not be free anymore. Dred Scott was told in the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court decision that he was not a citizen because

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Speaker 1: he was enslaved, and therefore he could not be a citizen.

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Speaker 1: And so birthright citizenship, which we all have because of

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Speaker 1: the Fourteenth Amendment, is now being challenged on every side

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Speaker 1: by this administration. The fact that this man is talking

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Speaker 1: about deporting people who are criminals, and let's be super

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Speaker 1: super clear about the fact, because some of y'all might

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Speaker 1: be silly enough. TIP might think you you're dumb. I

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Speaker 1: might think you're silly. Some of y'all might be silly

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Speaker 1: enough to think, well, if they're a criminal, that can go. Well,

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Speaker 1: how many of y'all if you're honest and you throw

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Speaker 1: your bias out the window, know you have someone who's

655
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Speaker 1: incarcerating your family, one of your friends. We all know

656
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Speaker 1: someone who's been wrongfully accused. So Donald Trump saying that

657
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Speaker 1: someone committed this crime does not make it so.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 1: This country has a pattern in practice and deep treacherous

660
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Speaker 1: history of saying that black people committed crimes they did not.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the National Registry of Exonerations and Your report

662
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Speaker 1: says nearly sixty one percent of exonaies are black, they're

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Speaker 1: exonerated because they did not commit the damn crime. So

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Speaker 1: I want to be clear when I say, we know

665
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Speaker 1: that deportations could also apply to citizens, and those citizens

666
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Speaker 1: would look like us. Why, because we're just as other

667
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Speaker 1: as the Asian. We're just as other as the indigenous person.

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Speaker 1: We're just as other as our Latino brothers and sisters.

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Speaker 1: So maybe I was mad at the Rainbow Coalition, but

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Speaker 1: goddamn it, we need each other now because the math

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Speaker 1: on math. So get on board. Now.

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Speaker 6: Let me just say back to the viewer again, we

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Speaker 6: just want to thank you for submitting your question. Even

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Speaker 6: when we disagree, we definitely respect Miss Cross. Thanks you well. Yes,

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Speaker 6: I thank you for taking the time to listen to

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Speaker 6: our show and to submit a question, because if you

677
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Speaker 6: didn't tune in and care enough to submit that, we

678
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Speaker 6: wouldn't be here.

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Speaker 1: Listen away.

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Speaker 6: He said specifically about your quote, saying that your rest

681
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Speaker 6: is selfish, and he said that we were suggesting that

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Speaker 6: people should be on the front lines of protests, which

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Speaker 6: perhaps I did not know, but he wasn't saying like

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Speaker 6: he said, we suggested it. And so I think to

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Speaker 6: be fair and respectful to him, perhaps it did come

686
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Speaker 6: across like that's what I was saying, and I just

687
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Speaker 6: wanted to clarify it to him. Yeah, but he didn't

688
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Speaker 6: name you. He named you, but yeah, but she's Misscross.

689
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Speaker 6: I'm Angela you but even even so, I just want

690
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Speaker 6: to you behind that wall. I just want to well,

691
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Speaker 6: I think I remember that episode. So many people were

692
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Speaker 6: a lot of people were agreeing with you Andrew and

693
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Speaker 6: disagreeing with Angela and me. So I honored that, I

694
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Speaker 6: do you know, I maintained my position and that we

695
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Speaker 6: have to care. But I honored the disagreement and not

696
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Speaker 6: don't want the viewer to think that we're just you know,

697
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Speaker 6: like f you you ain't agree, Like no, we we

698
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Speaker 6: hear you, and thank you for articulating your disagreement. And

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Speaker 6: just to clarify because if you I think a lot

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Speaker 6: of people probably felt that we were suggesting that because

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Speaker 6: people even the comments, they were like, I'm not going

702
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Speaker 6: out to protest, and that's not what we were suggesting.

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Speaker 6: And just for the record, Angela and I were having

704
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Speaker 6: a conversation.

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Speaker 7: To uh.

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Speaker 6: I think we were in Miami, and I was talking

707
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Speaker 6: about if people come up to us to say things

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Speaker 6: and about the other and Angela made a point like

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Speaker 6: they better not they better not say nothing about the

710
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Speaker 6: co host, blah blah, and the comment. There were many

711
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Speaker 6: comments that were saying, honestly, guys, it would be disrespectful

712
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Speaker 6: to Angela to go go up to her to say

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Speaker 6: something bad about Tiffany.

714
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Speaker 7: And I was like, but it's not dispicable to meet.

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Speaker 1: Up all they made you too. They know that's a

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Speaker 1: given to you. That's the same way where he was.

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Speaker 6: Like, and I think he was saying that, like you

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Speaker 6: my girl, like I feel you and let me take you.

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Speaker 4: Brother.

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Speaker 1: I think he puts some respect on your name. And

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Speaker 1: I'm still mad at him because I don't know what

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Speaker 1: a malcau sent means.

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Speaker 4: Content?

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Speaker 1: Is that what he said? Okay? But I thought I thought.

725
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Speaker 7: He said arguing with me for the video?

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Speaker 1: What do he thanks? You know, miss Cross? Thanks you

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Speaker 1: for your video. I'll thank you when you come back

728
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Speaker 1: with and do come back, but do come back, welcome home.

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Speaker 4: I don't know all these hating comments that y'all get,

730
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Speaker 4: but I know what. I'm in the grocery store. These

731
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 4: folks woke me and say, do you think I could

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Speaker 4: get an autograph of of Tiffany and Angela. It's a

733
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Speaker 4: good thing. I love these women like you should, and

734
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Speaker 4: that's for mine. Ain't knowing you great, know that what's

735
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Speaker 4: great is honestly y'all get a lot of love around

736
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Speaker 4: here like I love. But Tiffany and angel those my girls.

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Speaker 4: That my girls.

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Speaker 1: So Tiffany, what he's not telling you is in Jackson,

739
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Speaker 1: I almost got ran out of Toogaloo because Andrew left

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Speaker 1: without telling me her didn't somebody want somebody follow you.

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Speaker 4: We had to revisit that. She put me in a

742
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Speaker 4: situation and then I got the blind But listen, one

743
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Speaker 4: more topic.

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Speaker 5: Do we have time.

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Speaker 7: We're going to talk briefly about the Diddy trial.

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Speaker 6: And I think we're talking about this because this is

747
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Speaker 6: such a monumental decision that was not I think as

748
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Speaker 6: a community, we didn't look at it just about Diddy,

749
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Speaker 6: but collectively how we navigate the Me Too movement, the

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Speaker 6: criminal justice system, our community, just just everything. I think

751
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Speaker 6: Angela made a good point earlier that is this a distraction?

752
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Speaker 7: We have this huge bill half and it's breaking news.

753
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Speaker 6: You know that the verdict came down in the Ditty case,

754
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Speaker 6: and I respect your opinion. Angel You know like, I

755
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Speaker 6: don't want to talk about that, because that's you know

756
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Speaker 6: what is the real impact of this bill has a

757
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Speaker 6: more devastating impact on all of us than this Didty trial.

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Speaker 7: But we're going to talk about it a little just because.

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Speaker 6: You know, Andrew, you I'm curious your thoughts as a man,

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Speaker 6: but I will say as a woman, I did not

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Speaker 6: listen to every detail of this trial. I didn't read

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Speaker 6: every detail. I couldn't stomach the details. But I will

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Speaker 6: just say, and I hope that our viewers can honor

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Speaker 6: me and give me a little bit of grace in

765
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Speaker 6: this because I have not had a lot of time

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Speaker 6: to process and really think about this. But it's really

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Speaker 6: challenging for me to wish for a black man to

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Speaker 6: spend the rest of his life in prison. It just

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Speaker 6: is like it feels uncomfortable to celebrate sending a black

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Speaker 6: man to the white man's prison. I also balanced that

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Speaker 6: with the incredibly monstrous, heinous, disgusting behavior that we saw

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Speaker 6: that was detailed before us, and from a legal perspective,

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Speaker 6: which I don't understand at all. I was telling these

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Speaker 6: guys earlier, I was asking, like all the lawyers, like

775
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Speaker 6: how do you feel on people are like, I know,

776
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Speaker 6: trial lawyer, like you should ask the trial lawyer because

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Speaker 6: I was like, what about this and did they make

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Speaker 6: the reco case? And they're like, yeah, I don't really

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Speaker 6: do that. So I didn't have a chance to get

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Speaker 6: a lot of response from trial lawyers about this. But

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Speaker 6: I just I'm just trying to balance like, yes, I

782
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Speaker 6: feel so like, yes, this man, they made the case that, yes,

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Speaker 6: this man was a monster to these women. I don't

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Speaker 6: know if we start locking up monsters for lifetime sentences.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I just I don't know how I feel about it.

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Speaker 6: It looks like did he will serve some jail time.

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Speaker 6: I think the most important thing to keep in mind

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Speaker 6: are the victims, the people who were victimized by him.

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Speaker 6: A lot of people you know, who were sexual assault

791
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Speaker 6: victims themselves have come out, written up eds shared their

792
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Speaker 6: thoughts on the way they felt he was grooming Cassie.

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Speaker 6: A lot of people on the other side felt like, well,

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Speaker 6: they were complicit because they were setting it up, which

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Speaker 6: I think is such a shitty thought to have, to

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Speaker 6: be honest with you. People are so quick to attack

797
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Speaker 6: women and you know, or attack Cassie for not leaving,

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Speaker 6: but not attack Diddy for being a monster in these cases.

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Speaker 6: So I'm just I guess I'm okay. It doesn't really

800
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Speaker 6: matter if I'm okay because I'm not the victim here.

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, again, the victims are who matters.

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Speaker 6: But I wasn't one of those people that's like, send

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Speaker 6: him to jail forever. I just I don't know how.

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Speaker 7: To deal with that.

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Speaker 6: He will get out of prison. We never make another dime.

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Speaker 6: He you know, he's on some level, I'm going to

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Speaker 6: have a punishment, and I just I just hope y'all

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Speaker 6: give me a little bit of grace because obviously I

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Speaker 6: support women, and you know, there were black women who

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Speaker 6: he harmed as well, So I stand with allegedly, thank

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Speaker 6: you allegedly.

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Speaker 4: Well, there is what we have and by the way,

813
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Speaker 4: also admitted to you by his attorneys, and if that

814
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Speaker 4: were around domestic abuse, that may have been a different story.

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Speaker 6: And I'm in no way defending any of that behavior.

816
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Speaker 6: I would never as a woman, as a black woman,

817
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Speaker 6: I'm not defending that at all. All I'm saying is

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Speaker 6: I'm never going to be a person that celebrates sending

819
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Speaker 6: our folks to prison. That's not to say what he deserves.

820
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Speaker 6: I just don't feel like I'm the arbiter of who

821
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Speaker 6: deserves what you.

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Speaker 1: Know, and I can't.

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Speaker 4: We are, though, I mean our justice system, which we

824
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Speaker 4: are not right very well represented in. We are not

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Speaker 4: what you were expressing, Tiffany around just sort of the

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Speaker 4: nuance and the conflict that exists within your being is

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Speaker 4: I think you're calling out something that all of us,

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Speaker 4: and I would just say, very specifically, I think black

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Speaker 4: folks experience in these kinds of high profile cases that

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Speaker 4: center black men, and even if it were a black women,

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Speaker 4: but largely what we've seen, you know, you know, let's

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Speaker 4: go back to Bill Cosby. A lot of us were like, Okay,

833
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Speaker 4: maybe I don't know what happened, but if some wrong happened,

834
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Speaker 4: I can't understand why I can't watch the Cosby Show anymore.

835
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Speaker 4: I can't understand why I can't say no, right. But

836
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Speaker 4: but you remember networks took it off. I remember there

837
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 4: were all these apps you could no longer access it.

838
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Speaker 4: I remember telling my own personal story of being motivated

839
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Speaker 4: when to go to college because of what was exampled

840
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Speaker 4: and what was modeled there and to be able to

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Speaker 4: separate the the the personality of character on television from

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Speaker 4: the man or the woman in real life. I mean,

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Speaker 4: there are black actors and actresses that I've been around,

844
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Speaker 4: and I have referred to them by the most popular

845
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Speaker 4: role that I remember they played.

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Speaker 6: Right, Comfortable, has nothing to do with Bill Cosby.

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Speaker 10: Correct, Right, and then and then blame us for wanting

848
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Speaker 10: to still watch television from it.

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Speaker 4: Right. We know that in certain instances where we may

850
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Speaker 4: have felt intuitively that a person may have been guilty,

851
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Speaker 4: but we're also pleased that we didn't turn them over

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Speaker 4: into a lifetime of the heinous system created quite frankly

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Speaker 4: just for us.

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Speaker 6: Because you brought it up be injury even in the

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Speaker 6: Bill Cosby case, like, yes, this man likely harmed women.

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Speaker 6: You know the evidence support did it fine. However, legally

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Speaker 6: he did he they lied to him. If you tell me,

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Speaker 6: you testify and I'm gonna give you immunity, you won't

859
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Speaker 6: be charged with this. And then you turn around and

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Speaker 6: charge like then, yes, you do have to let him

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Speaker 6: out of jail. That is the way the legal corrupt system,

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Speaker 6: right it.

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Speaker 4: Is, And I think at the bottom, at the soul

864
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Speaker 4: of this is a lot of suspicion around corruption. I

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Speaker 4: will tell you when I saw the charges, and I

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Speaker 4: didn't pay any attention. I have to tell you to

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Speaker 4: the trial. I didn't read the news on it. It

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Speaker 4: just wasn't. Unfortunately, it wasn't at the medium level or

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Speaker 4: any level for that matter of of of of what

870
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Speaker 4: I was putting attention on. That's not to say that

871
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 4: it wasn't larger in our culture, very important for for

872
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 4: what was exposed. But I do remember when the charging

873
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 4: document came down, the indictment came down, and I kept thinking, one,

874
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 4: let me just say out loud, I am highly suspicious,

875
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 4: suspicious of the federal all systems of justice, but the

876
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 4: federal system of justice very particularly. Okay, I've been on

877
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 4: the other side of that. I've read indictments that included

878
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 4: wholesale lies, the whole goddamn thing, all twenty however pages

879
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 4: of it. But folks who were in the streets were

880
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 4: reading it like it was a you know, a production

881
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 4: of the local newspaper fact check and you know, wholly accountful,

882
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 4: accounted for. And then the judge says, you realize that

883
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 4: that is their opinion of what they believe occurred. And

884
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 4: then there is what the defendant says, what is and

885
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 4: has occurred, and in this court room, I'm going to

886
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 4: tell you what you can and cannot listen to and

887
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 4: what you can and cannot consider when you go back

888
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 4: to deliberate this decision. When I saw racketeering, I my

889
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 4: understanding of it. I didn't. I was like, oh, well, hey,

890
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 4: good luck and proving this big, grand scheme enterprise. And

891
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 4: then I thought back to my charge. Which shit, I

892
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 4: they excuse me of having a grand scheme of an

893
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 4: enterprise and with so much time to orchestrate in mummy

894
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 4: people all over the place to ward my benefit of

895
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 4: thirty thousand dollars. I guess that's what they thought, you know,

896
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 4: And I don't want to compare the two from a

897
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 4: fact pattern. I'm simply saying where my suspicion of the

898
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 4: judicial system begins is it began long before my own experience.

899
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 4: With my own experience was a true testament to the

900
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 4: fact that these folks know how to tell a story.

901
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 4: That's what I knew. And then there are no no no.

902
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 4: I mean then the things that we know and we

903
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 4: see with our own eyes that we can make judgment about.

904
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 4: So when we think about the Cassie video, for instance,

905
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 4: and how we felt inside, and how we deplored that,

906
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 4: and how we believe that there are to be a consequence. Well,

907
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 4: guess what, prosecutors, maybe in a state where you can

908
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 4: prosecute domestic violence and the statue of limitations doesn't exist,

909
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 4: which in many states, those statues of limitations on such

910
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 4: crimes were lifted during the height of the me too era.

911
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 4: And that's one thing, But you you got you wanted

912
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 4: this jury to believe that this whole enterprise was set

913
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 4: up to achieve a thing. The other thing that really

914
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 4: bothered me about what I have assessed from the very

915
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 4: peripheral look that that that that I've taken out this least,

916
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 4: which is all of the loading up. If I read

917
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 4: one more thing about baby oil, I wanted to puke.

918
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 4: Because what it does is it takes individuals lifestyles and

919
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 4: then conflates it with other what what what is truly

920
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 4: justifiable legal wrongdoing? And then the idea is to then,

921
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 4: because it is not like what we do, It is

922
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 4: not very familiar to what you and your house and

923
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 4: your household and and what your experiences have been. It

924
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 4: is wrong, it is deplorable, it is illegal, it is

925
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 4: a moral, it is all these things and I'm thinking,

926
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 4: this ain't gosh to do with the thing that is

927
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 4: being accused, And so you've now bought in all of

928
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 4: this stuff to make me muddy and dirty and not

929
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 4: like you and not publicly acceptable, so that people distance

930
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 4: themselves in such a way that they're never going to

931
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 4: see my humanity when they go back into a jury box,

932
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 4: into a jury room for deliberations. Again, this is yes

933
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 4: about the puppy case. This is also mostly about the

934
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 4: greater criminal justice system, and largely a system that happened

935
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 4: that cooperates to make something look a certain way, to

936
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 4: introduce certain evidence, to introduce certain voices and perspectives, so

937
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 4: that in a jury room those things get taken in

938
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 4: And because I don't understand it, it must be wrong,

939
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 4: because it's out of the society's mores mores, it must

940
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 4: be wrong. And so that stuff, I just think, if

941
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 4: you got a case.

942
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 5: Bring it clean.

943
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 4: If you've got a case you're accusing me of a

944
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 4: set of things, bring your evidence. You bring it clean

945
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 4: through the door. And when they try to get to fancy,

946
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 4: when they try to do too much, they underestimate the

947
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 4: value of I think considerate people sitting in a room

948
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 4: looking at the instructions that they have to follow and

949
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 4: arriving at a decision, and in our system of justice,

950
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 4: that decision is a binding one.

951
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 6: I just think it's a different though. Like I hear you,

952
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 6: and I think if we suspend, if we're not talking

953
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 6: about city, then you know.

954
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 5: We can close too.

955
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 7: But yes, but I don't know.

956
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 6: I think what went into this case was a lot

957
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 6: of his own displayed behavior. I think legally, yes, you're

958
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 6: making a point about the justice system, but also I

959
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 6: don't know that I can say that he's the victim

960
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 6: in this.

961
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not.

962
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 6: I know, I know you are not calling him a victim.

963
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 6: But the way you're speaking about the justice system, I'm

964
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 6: making a clear distinction that you're talking about the justice system.

965
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 6: And then there is the ditty case where there were

966
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 6: some flaws and the charges that they brought. I just

967
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 6: think this gets kind of to our conversation we had

968
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 6: last week or the week before about protecting black men

969
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 6: or protecting us really, but you know, the conversations about

970
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 6: protecting black men. When we start to protect black men

971
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 6: to the harm of women, that's when it's a challenge.

972
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 6: And I do see so many comments, particularly when the

973
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 6: Cassie video first came out, all these women just shit

974
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 6: on her and it was like, oh, she lying, and

975
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 6: she waited to now bring it up, and I don't

976
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 6: believe her. And then the video came out in the

977
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 6: New York Times article read like a time stamp of

978
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 6: that video. And then most people's opinions change. But there

979
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 6: were still people, and I would say it's probably less

980
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 6: than one percent of women. Maybe their comments just the

981
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 6: toxicity of it all right to the top. But still

982
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 6: the people who are saying, well, they were into it,

983
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 6: and well they were setting it up and they did this.

984
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 6: Who gives the shit, you know, Like that doesn't make

985
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 6: him the victim in a situation where he was being

986
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 6: a monster to these women. Like I just I get

987
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 6: a little frustrated with that or even the idea. I

988
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 6: had a friend who I won't name out of respect

989
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 6: for his privacy, but a friend who had similar accusations,

990
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 6: and he was my friend, and I could honestly say

991
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 6: to him privately, like, yeah, I think you made some

992
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 6: fucked up decisions here, and I think you did cause

993
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,479
Speaker 6: these women some harm. But I could also say yeah,

994
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 6: and I also think it's an attack on them like

995
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 6: trying to get you. That doesn't excuse you or the

996
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 6: harm that you cause these women, And I don't know.

997
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 6: I think that's where I am. You know, the verdict

998
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 6: came out this week, and like I said, I would

999
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 6: just ask the audience for some grace as we're working

1000
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 6: through this. I don't want anybody to misunderstand and think

1001
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 6: that I'm sitting here trying to defend Diddy.

1002
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: I'm not.

1003
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 6: I don't believe Andrew's trying to do that. I think

1004
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 6: You're simply pointing out flaws in the justice system and

1005
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 6: the complicated perceptions we can have when it comes to

1006
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 6: these types of charges being brought, for one to anybody,

1007
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 6: and to the women who are harmed. I mean, you know,

1008
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 6: there were black women, like I said, who he harmed,

1009
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 6: and other people anecdotally who I know who have had

1010
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 6: incidents that I won't share because you know, I'm not

1011
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 6: a reporter. I wasn't reporting on this and it would

1012
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 6: be a responsible for me to say so. But enough

1013
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 6: people anecdotally who have had really negative experiences with him,

1014
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 6: and so if there's a message, I would just say,

1015
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 6: I hope that a lot of these men with money

1016
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 6: and power change their behavior and know like these incidents

1017
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 6: it's you know, from freak offs to like all these

1018
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 6: things just change your behavior.

1019
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 4: What a conversation is just hating up, but we gotta

1020
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 4: pay some bills.

1021
00:55:54,080 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 5: Sketch on the other side.

1022
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 4: Right now, we are wrestling out loud with our thoughts,

1023
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 4: feelings and emotions that don't always fit congruent with each other.

1024
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sensing conflict all over my own thoughts

1025
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 4: about some of this right, And I don't have to

1026
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 4: have proximity to a woman to know what is right

1027
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 4: and wrong and how you treat a person period. I

1028
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 4: don't that that doesn't have to be my context achieving

1029
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 4: a black woman or somebody else that it No how

1030
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 4: do you treat If you hit my son across the

1031
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 4: face right unprovoked, you gonna have some issues with me.

1032
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 4: So I'm again, I'm talking about my situation unprovoked.

1033
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 5: This is that and the third.

1034
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 4: But there are also people who conclude, you know what,

1035
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 4: adults make adult decisions. I believe and I trust adults,

1036
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 4: consenting adults to be able to sit together and to

1037
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 4: arrive at a thing that they want to do, and

1038
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 4: to do it willingly betwixt each other and I don't

1039
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 4: have room to make excuses for the various motivations of

1040
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 4: why right, there are folks who would, you know, barrel

1041
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 4: this whole decision down on one person's actions and completely

1042
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 4: excuse the actions of another. There are some of us

1043
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 4: who you know, do the reverse for a different party.

1044
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 4: And likely the scenario is is that, you know what,

1045
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 4: a bunch of bad decisions got made by a bunch

1046
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 4: of people. And now what we are considering, however, is

1047
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 4: not a bunch of bad decisions, but when those decisions

1048
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 4: crossed a legal line that is provable, that should then

1049
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 4: result in the legal consequences and penalties. So say a

1050
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 4: jury of your peers, and a jury of peers went

1051
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 4: to the courthouse and they reckoned with these questions. They

1052
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 4: gave weeks time away from their family and their jobs,

1053
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 4: and they listened. They took it in, unlike me who

1054
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 4: had to operate on this from whatever left off the

1055
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 4: pages of the Internet, which is certainly not the reflection

1056
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 4: of all the things that go down in that room.

1057
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 4: So I have to trust and believe that those folks

1058
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 4: did what was merited of them. That can still result

1059
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 4: in us having a very wide different set of opinions

1060
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 4: about how this thing to have come down. In all truth,

1061
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 4: I really have issues with a lot of this whole thing,

1062
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 4: and I'm trying to be able to sense this through

1063
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 4: a lens that is outside of just my own, but

1064
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 4: my own experience weighs heavily on how I see the

1065
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 4: system and all parts of it and all of us

1066
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 4: who have to cooperate in it. If there was wrongdoing

1067
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 4: done on behalf off, did it? You heard the attorneys

1068
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 4: for him say, my client did wrong and if you

1069
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 4: were probably on this we give way to that issue.

1070
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 4: And you have folks on the other side who made

1071
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 4: accusations and claims that suggested otherwise, and that all had

1072
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 4: to be ferreted through. What I hope the takeaway is

1073
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 4: from us for many, You know, for folks, one is

1074
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 4: have the conversation and a safe enough environment where you

1075
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 4: feel like you can be completely honest with where you are,

1076
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 4: how you got there, and you don't make silly excuses

1077
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 4: about why it is a thing went away. A thing

1078
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 4: went without having scrutinized it, without having interrogated it enough

1079
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 4: for yourself, because that just leads to a perpetuation of

1080
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 4: a bunch of behaviors that we all as a society

1081
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 4: need to suspend with. I also hope that people will

1082
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 4: lower their judgment radar a little bit, meaning your judgment

1083
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 4: on other people, and determine that just because a thing

1084
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 4: isn't my thing doesn't make it an illegal thing or

1085
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Speaker 4: a bad thing for that matter. So I am going

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Speaker 4: to withhold judgment on whether group sex is a bad

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Speaker 4: thing or a good thing, and just state that group

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Speaker 4: sex took place. And if in law and your state

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Speaker 4: they prosecute you for group sex, then write the damn crime,

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Speaker 4: bring me the evidence, put that before a jury and

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Speaker 4: its admissible form, and let them decide. But if you're

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Speaker 4: going to swing from the rafters on your charging document

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Speaker 4: and you're going to bring things toward me that I

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Speaker 4: know and most reasonable people could conclude did not occur,

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Speaker 4: you have to deal with that as well. And I

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Speaker 4: blame in some ways on this on the prosecution, the

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Speaker 4: fact that there are going to be parts of this

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Speaker 4: narrative that are going to be understood by whole groups

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Speaker 4: of people and draw them to the conclusion that my

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Speaker 4: life is not as important that my gender renders me

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Speaker 4: subjugate to a man, or from a man's perspective, that

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Speaker 4: you know what, it doesn't matter what you really did,

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Speaker 4: because you're forever going to be burdened by what they

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Speaker 4: said you did and you'll always be judged through that lens.

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Speaker 4: So there are a lot of offenses that can be

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Speaker 4: taking place here, a lot. I just think we ought

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Speaker 4: to be able to have a reasonable conversation, admit that

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Speaker 4: we don't know what the complete and the right answers are,

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Speaker 4: and to also say that we can have contradictions in

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Speaker 4: our thoughts and our feelings based off of how we

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Speaker 4: approach a thing through what lens by which we see it.

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Speaker 4: But I'll tell you this, I don't see any winners.

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Speaker 4: There are no winners here. I think there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of hurt and pain that folks are going to have

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Speaker 4: to process. And that's what makes this conversation one that

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Speaker 4: is conversation worthy because it's implications reached beyond just the

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Speaker 4: parties involved. They send me a message to a whole

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Speaker 4: group of people that the people were involved in implicated

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Speaker 4: here will never know the names of where they live,

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Speaker 4: where they come from, or their stories.

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Speaker 6: Well, I hear all that, Andrew. I just wanted to

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Speaker 6: say he was not just charged with having group sex

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Speaker 6: but I.

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Speaker 7: Know, I know, I know what you're saying.

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Speaker 6: I just I'm I completely one hundred percent understand you.

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Speaker 6: I'm making this point for the audience because I don't

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Speaker 6: want the audience to misunderstand what you're saying. And sometimes

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Speaker 6: in our nuance, I think people aren't necessarily capable of wrapping.

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Speaker 4: Their arms around nuance.

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Speaker 6: My thoughts are with the victims, the survivors of some

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Speaker 6: of this terrible behavior, and not just the people that

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Speaker 6: did he victimize, but all survivors of people who were

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Speaker 6: victimized in this way. Again, I have you know, we

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Speaker 6: love our black men, but not to the extent where

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Speaker 6: I'm willing to let black women get harmed and say

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Speaker 6: nothing or defend the abuser in favor of him and

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Speaker 6: not my sisters who have been abused.

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Speaker 4: So I'm to evaluate this case based off of the

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Speaker 4: individuals involved in the individual's actions, rather than them be

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Speaker 4: a representative of all black men or of black women.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and again, this is not this is not about

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Speaker 7: all black men. You know, this is you know, No, no,

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Speaker 7: I know.

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Speaker 4: And this is why I wanted to say that, Tiff,

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Speaker 4: because I think this is how folks, this is how

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Speaker 4: we all end up squaring off. Yeah, and going to

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01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:39,439
Speaker 4: the corners is when it is excusing bad behavior black

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Speaker 4: man at the risk of the lives, livelihoods, well being

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Speaker 4: a black woman. It is somebody or somebody's made bad

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01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 4: decisions that have hurt you know this or that, right

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Speaker 4: you name it. I'm leaving it blank because we all

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Speaker 4: got listeners who feel a different way. Name where you

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01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 4: feel that offense took place, but that's the perpetrator by name,

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01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 4: that's the victim by name, vice versa, and let that

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Speaker 4: be that. I don't want us to What I know

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Speaker 4: often happens is the projection of the actions and because

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Speaker 4: a person fits that profile, that the action is taken

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Speaker 4: by the person of that profile reflect on everybody.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Matt, I think that's a fair fair point to make.

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Speaker 6: And I again, it's so hard trying to have these

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Speaker 6: conversations and you know, in a very careful way. But

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Speaker 6: I also don't want black men to feel admonished. Here

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Speaker 6: we're talking about Diddy and other people like how you

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Speaker 6: who engage in shitty behavior and the women who they harm.

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Speaker 6: This is not casting a dark shadow over all black men. Obviously,

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Speaker 6: you know, we have an amazing black man on the

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Speaker 6: show with us, and you know.

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Speaker 7: Most black men do not behave in this.

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Speaker 6: Manner, but we thought it important to at least talk

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Speaker 6: about this and have some sort of guided discussion around

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Speaker 6: what's happening. Is you guys are trying to navigate your space,

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01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 6: so Nick has been telling us the rap.

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Speaker 7: So we do need to.

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Speaker 6: Talk about what we want to talk about on the

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Speaker 6: minibod and give people calls to action. But thank you

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Speaker 6: Andrew for your perspective on that, because I thought I

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Speaker 6: just appreciated your nuanced perspective on the criminal justice system

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Speaker 6: and what's happening.

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Speaker 4: We are noting that some of the accusations made against

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Speaker 4: Sean Combs are yet to be proven in the court

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Speaker 4: of law.

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Speaker 6: I guess my call to action, know is, you know,

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Speaker 6: I feel a little bit. I guess I'm growing exhausted

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Speaker 6: with the attacks on black women and this, you know,

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Speaker 6: the d D case services a lot of that. Most

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Speaker 6: black men in my life are amazing, wonderful human beings.

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Speaker 6: They look at these, you know, people in the among

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Speaker 6: the podcast bros, and you know, the mana sphere with

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Speaker 6: great condocents that they don't you know, have a healthy

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Speaker 6: relationship with black women from their moms, to sisters, to partners,

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Speaker 6: et cetera. So I think I would ask that we

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Speaker 6: just laid off black women, you know, like and that

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Speaker 6: goes to our brethren. I'm not appealing to white folks,

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Speaker 6: so because I just don't know if that even matters.

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Speaker 6: You know, we've been made the enemy of the country,

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Speaker 6: but it also goes to other black women, you know.

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Speaker 6: I think these comments about you know, what women should

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Speaker 6: have done and how women are, I think it's so

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Speaker 6: self hating and fucked up. So yeah, my request would

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Speaker 6: be to offer grace. That's my CTA. Be careful with

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Speaker 6: that digital anonymity. When you're shitting on someone else's experience

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Speaker 6: or just saying something ugly, if you wouldn't say it

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Speaker 6: to that person's face, then don't type in a comment

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Speaker 6: because other survivors see you uh and they hear that,

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Speaker 6: and it discourages people from coming forward to give their

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Speaker 6: testimony about it. So that's my CTA. I kick it,

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Speaker 6: see you brother h If you don't, I.

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Speaker 5: Don't have one other than to say happy fourth.

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Speaker 4: And if you're spending it out, be safe. I do

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Speaker 4: mean that I sound dredged like. I like that it

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Speaker 4: took a hard time. I do mean I wish people

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Speaker 7: Okay, that's a good one.

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