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Hey, and welcome 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant, 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: and Jerry is over there. So the stuff you should 12 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: know the podcast. Something large on my chest. It's the devil. 13 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: It's the devil is hey, Chuck, you okay, what happened? Uh? 14 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: You were just having what's known sleep paralysis, buddy, whoa, 15 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: it was close to it, but my touch, my gentle touch, 16 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: broke you out of it. That actually sees me. I'm 17 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: just kidding people. I was acting. That was stagecraft. Yeah, 18 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: and we were well, we weren't debating because I was wrong, 19 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: but we were talking about whether or not we had 20 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: done this yet we have not. Uh like I said 21 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: it was wrong. We've bitten around the edges of it 22 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: so much they feel like, yeah, I feel like if 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: you pulled every little bit of sleep paralysis out Of 24 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: all the episodes where we've talked at it, talked at it, 25 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: we talked at it, not about it, you go away 26 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: sleep paralysis. Well, the most recent one was either Exploding 27 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:49,279 Speaker 1: Head or night terrors, um, and we specifically stopped talking 28 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: about sleep paralysis so that we could save it for 29 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: the actual episode. Those are always good ones. So finally 30 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: here it is like we'll be on an interesting train 31 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: of thought and say no, no, no no, no stop. Yeah, 32 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: that's exactly what we did too. I remember the first 33 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: time this came up was in trans magnetic stimulation, the 34 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: thinking cap one. Yeah. Well, it's pretty interesting stuff and 35 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: it's been around a while. You know. UM, the word nightmare, 36 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: we use that to describe like bad dreams. It's actually 37 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: incorrect usage. Nightmare was originally intended specifically to describe sleep 38 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: paralysis because night means night, then mar a or mayor 39 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 1: and may e r e. That extra e in there 40 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: really messes it up. But it's old English, so I 41 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: don't know if I pronounced it correctly. Or not. Neither 42 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: does anyone else alive, so it doesn't matter. But that 43 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: um that specifically means an incubus, and an incubus was 44 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: a type of devil, like the one that was just 45 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: sitting on your chest, A male, a sex craze male 46 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: demon who would well, I'm just making assumptions here, who 47 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: would come to you while you were sleeping and sit 48 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: on your chest and maybe kill you, try to kill 49 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: you and you couldn't do anything about it. Uh. Yeah, 50 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm into I'm into the succubus and the incubus. I'm 51 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: I'm open minded. But that's exactly right. The incubus is 52 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: the male version of the succubus, or the old sex 53 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: crazed tag that sits on your chest. So this, this 54 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: whole idea of of this has been around for a 55 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: very long time. It's steeped in the supernatural, and we're 56 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: only just now starting to figure out what sleep paralysis is. 57 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: And to me, it's even more interesting now that we 58 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: understand it a little more. Yeah, I did not know 59 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: the exact definition of incubus until this research, and now 60 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: I hate that band even more. Yeah, I think sex 61 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: mail demons. I wonder if that's what they were going forth. 62 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: They were just like that sounds cool. No, I'm sure 63 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: they knew well. I'm hats off to them for realizing that. Yeah, 64 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: you know, making a medieval era. Nod In might have 65 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: just thought it sounded cool. Who knows whom you're thinking? 66 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: You're right, I clearly know nothing about good band names. 67 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: That's not true. I thought you always come up with 68 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: good bad names. I don't know if other people agree 69 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: they're good to me? Has someone been No? Okay, no, 70 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: no one's talking no, no, no I should say about that. No. 71 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: But my own band name is not No, I like it. 72 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 1: But El Cheapo we're named after a gas station. Where 73 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: El Cheapos are I know, in the South, like South 74 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: Carolina and like I've seen him in Savannah coastal Southeast. 75 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: I thought that was a coincidence, they're l cheap. No, no, 76 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: it is. It is a coincidence, it is, But people 77 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,119 Speaker 1: send me pictures of El cheap out gas stations. Okay, 78 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: the light in So you're not named after a gas 79 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: station because then we would be x on Mobile because 80 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: that's a great band. Everybody loves. What have they ever done? Nothing? 81 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: All right? So, um, the the strict definition. I guess 82 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: it's not strict, but the definition we're going to give. 83 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: And where did you get this article? This is good? 84 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we better shout this out. This is straight 85 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: out of the British Psychological Society's journal. I could tell 86 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: it was British it was, yeah, because they say Wildston 87 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Way off. Um, but it was written 88 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: by Julia Santamorrow and Christopher Cee French, and I believe 89 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: they're both sleep paralysis experts. I know for sure Professor 90 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: French is because I also saw a video of him 91 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: on vimeo, UM, just basically talking about this and he 92 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: had a sweater on. This said expert pretty much. Uh 93 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,239 Speaker 1: So sleep paralysis how they define it, and I agree, 94 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: it's it's a period of transient, consciously experienced paralysis, either 95 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: when going to sleep or waking up. And um, I 96 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: think I was under the misguided notion that it was 97 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: almost always in the transition of waking up. And it 98 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: sounds like it's even more common when you're going uh 99 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: into sleep and that is the hypnagogic stage as opposed 100 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: to the hypno pompic stage coming out. So I think 101 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, Well, I got that impression, but I 102 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: think I was wrong. I had the same impression. Yeah, 103 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: probably came from us each other. So have you ever 104 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: had sleep paralysis? No? Um, but I did want to 105 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: mention that I did. I told you I had an 106 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: exploding head syndrome experience. After we did that show, like 107 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: two or three nights later, it happened to me for 108 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: the first time ever. Yeah, I was worried about getting 109 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: this last night. I don't want this. Well that that's 110 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: a bad way to go about it. Yeah, because I 111 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: will get it in your head. We should say it's actually, 112 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: like you said, it's kind of common, right. Well, I 113 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: mean it depends on who you ask. I've seen everywhere 114 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: from a third a half of people that might experience 115 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: this at least once. But I think as far as 116 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: chronic uh, chronically, it's not nearly that common. No, it's 117 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: something like, um, do we have stats on that. Yeah, 118 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: they're in here somewhere something like three percent, three to 119 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: six percent of the general population experience what's called isolated 120 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: sleep paralysis. And that's if you don't have an arcalepsy. Yeah. 121 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: That was the big thing I didn't realize is that 122 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: sleep paralysis is a major symptom of narcolepsy, which we 123 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: should do. And that came up and I was like, well, 124 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: let's just replaced sleep paralysis as the show we gotta do. Yeah. 125 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: I had a great aunt, great aunt Laura from Mississippi 126 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: that had an arcolepsy No really, Yeah, and I didn't 127 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: get to see her a lot in life. This was 128 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: my father's mother's sister. Um, but I remember very specifically, 129 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: my brother and I go in like one time to Jackson, 130 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: Mississippi or Tupelow, I think where she lived when I 131 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: was like twelve, and she would do that, you know, 132 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: she would nod off while talking to us and back 133 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: up and finish her sentence. So it was like she 134 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: wasn't even aware that she doted off. No, And um, 135 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: of course, you know, I thought it was funny at 136 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: the time. It was a little kid, But I'm sure 137 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot more to it than that. Sure, it 138 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: can probably be quite dangerous, I imagine. So yeah, I 139 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: would guess kind of hard to come by a driver's 140 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: license if you are diagnosed with narcolepsy. I don't think 141 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: Laura drove. Yeah, she was one of those that probably 142 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't have driven anyway. You know, she's like like a 143 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: Strickland type. You know, I don't want to drive, Come 144 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: pick me up. She was just like we had to 145 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: take the keys for my grandmother, that kind of thing 146 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: when she was drinking. No, when she was when she 147 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: was got to an age where she could drive safely. Yeah, 148 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: it was she was were like, Grandma can't drive anymore. 149 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: You know. In Japan they have these very prominent like 150 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: magnets or stickers that you put on a car. Um. 151 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: One's like a triangle. I can't remember what the other 152 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: one is, but one means kind of um, but no, 153 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: not at all. It's UM. One me this is a 154 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: new driver, like usually a teen driver, so everybody steer clear. 155 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: And then the other means this is a very elderly driver, 156 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: so everybody's steer clear. I would love one of those 157 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: in my car. It's like, I don't understand why this 158 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: isn't universal. Yeah, you know, it makes perfect sense. I 159 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: would like one just to keep people away from me, 160 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: just to leave you alone. Yeah, you put on like, like, uh, 161 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: what was the guy's name from Phantasm? I don't know, 162 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: Angus something. Yeah, you put on a little wig like his. 163 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: It's a little skull cap while you're driving, just to 164 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: really drive at home. H that was a an accidental pun. 165 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: Just now. I didn't catch it. I said, you put 166 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: it on while you're driving just to drive it home, 167 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: to drive the point home. Yeah, And I made a 168 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: really good accidental pun when we were talking about hunting 169 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: and I said, my dad didn't hunt. I said, it's 170 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: not like he wasn't he was trying to take a stand, 171 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: or he wasn't trying to take a stand as in 172 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: a deer stand. Totally miss that, all right. So the 173 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: deal with sleep paralysis is how you know that you're 174 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 1: experiencing it is, uh, you can open your eyes, you're conscious, 175 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: but you are aware that you can't you can't move, 176 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: you can't move your body. I mean, it kind of 177 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: varies between severity and individual experience, but the common thing 178 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: is is that you can't move. You feel paralyzed. Sometimes 179 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: you can't even make a noise. It's that bad. And 180 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: and the problem with not being able to make a 181 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: noise is that it particularly sucks in instances like this 182 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: because you want to scream. Because most of the time 183 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: when you are experiencing sleep paralysis, you are in the 184 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: grips of terror like you wouldn't ever normally experience. You're 185 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: scared out of your mind. You have an impending sense 186 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: of death. Um. And you have all sorts of hallucinations, 187 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: basically of every every sense could conceivably hallucinate. Right. You 188 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: have auditory hallucinations where you hear something in the room 189 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: with you. There's I should say, there's also like a 190 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: sense of presence, like another thing. Yeah, there's something in 191 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: the room. Usually it's something that means you harm, so 192 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: you sentence presents. You might also hear it. You probably 193 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: also see it, and it can be anything from like 194 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: that succubus or incubus sitting on your chest, um, both 195 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: the things. You're getting a little kinky, right, You're like, 196 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: you're both here. I didn't think you'd find out about 197 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: each other. And you'll let me wake my wife. But 198 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: I can't move right, So you're just sitting there laying 199 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: like this is getting weird. She's gonna be so mad. 200 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: Uh uh. And then uh, you can smell them, you 201 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: can taste them. There's something called gustatory hallucinations. Um. And 202 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: then also the sense of feeling like moving and um 203 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: of pressure on your chest, like you feel all this 204 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: stuff like you're experiencing it. Yeah, and um, I think 205 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: pressure is one of the big ones, like someone sitting 206 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: on you, uh and not allowing you to move so 207 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: um our own. Robert Lamb wrote an article about this 208 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: oner site too, not about the full thing, but about 209 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: like why is it? Uh, why are they demons usually? 210 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: And that was kind of one of my questions, that 211 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: why is it usually a malevolent spirit? And why isn't it, 212 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: you know whatever, some fantasy which is like a rod 213 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: saying like hey, you want to go play cats or 214 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: something like that, that would be yours? No, okay, isn't 215 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: he like the most hated man on the planet now 216 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: for some reason? Oh? I mean he kind of went 217 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: his end of his career. He was not very well 218 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: Like why what did you do? I didn't pick up 219 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: on that he did a lot of steroids and lied 220 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: about it for years. Oh gotcha, Yeah, gotcha. He was 221 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 1: like a repeat offender that consistently was like doing steroids. 222 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: I see, I don't know why these drug testers saying 223 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: I did. They're like you have a syringe in your arm, um, 224 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: Robert said. And you know, he didn't like make the 225 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: U up, but his research indicated that um, someone's beliefs 226 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: going into it might conjure up these negative connotations. And 227 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: when the experience itself is marked by like a pulse 228 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: rate increase in labored breathing sometimes and these, it doesn't 229 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: lend itself to like a good experience, right right, because 230 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: um so, Professor French concurs with Robert right. He's he 231 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: was saying, like the fear being usually a hallmark of 232 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: the sleep paralysis. Paralysis experience is not just you're afraid 233 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: because you can't move and there's something in the room 234 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: with you, that's part of it. But he's saying, you're 235 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: a migdala is also hyperactive, right then, So you're experiencing 236 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: fear on like its own terms. It's like its own 237 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: freestanding symptom that that even if like this, even if 238 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: it was lucky the lepre Con, you'd still be super 239 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: afraid that he was in the room with you kind 240 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: of thing, because you're you're like that region of your 241 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: brain that's that's delivering these jolts of fear to you 242 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: is working over time. Then it becomes that bad leprechn movie. 243 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I was she in that. Yeah, yeah, I 244 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: never saw those I never did either. Um. Well, it 245 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: also said speaking of movies that like your own, like 246 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: what kind of pop culture you're into, Like all this 247 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: stuff can play into it because they are. It's sort 248 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: of like an extension of a dream. So, um, if 249 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: it's you know, agitated by like labored breathing and rapid 250 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: pulse rate and a nightmare, then it's not going to 251 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: be uh, you know, a rod floating in onto your 252 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: chick with the baseball, unless you're super scared of him, 253 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: then it might be. So let's take a break, man, 254 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: then we'll come back and talk about some of like 255 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: the cultural interpretations of what the heck is going on here. Okay, 256 00:14:50,640 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: it sounds good. Yeah, so Chuck, remember we were talking 257 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: about like how nightmare is like an old English term 258 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: for sleep paralysis. It's been around for a while and 259 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: there's and it's basically it seems to be universal and 260 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: so since it's an interpreted by the person based on 261 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: like what their culture believes in. Um, there's been like 262 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: different interpretations of sleep paralysis throughout history and cultures around 263 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: the world, and they're pretty interesting. Yeah, and I and 264 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: most of them the common thread here is that ah, 265 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: and even in modern terms, they're described this way sometimes, 266 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: but definitely in the olden days, it's almost always some 267 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: sort of supernatural thing like a witch or norwe I'm sorry. 268 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: Newfoundland they called it the old Hag, which is creepy 269 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: just hearing that. Uh. And China the ghost oppression because 270 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: apparently the Chinese believe that you're you're very vulnerable your 271 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: soul is when you're asleep. So I think that's sort 272 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: of the common thread here there all these countries. There 273 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: was I took an anthropology class and I can't remember 274 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: what it was talking about in general, but one of 275 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: the things that seemed to pop up around the world 276 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: was something called spirit intrusion, Like when you were sleeping, 277 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: your spirit got up and walked around, and if like 278 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: the tether between your spirit and your body was severed, 279 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: you were like anybody could come and possess you. And 280 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: it was a big like that. That was a big 281 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: explanation for mental illness in cultures around the world. So 282 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting that that was also an 283 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: explanation for um, for sleep paralysis too. Yeah. I think 284 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: it kind of depends on whatever the the leading ghoul 285 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 1: is in your country in region, because in Europe. Of 286 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: course in the fifteen hundreds through the seventeen hundreds, it's 287 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: gonna be witches. You were witch ridden. Uh. That was 288 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: at one of the witch trials in seventy seven. Uh. 289 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: This woman testified her about her husband in bed and 290 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: he said he was laying there stiff, barely drawing breath, 291 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: and he woke up and he said, my Lord Jesus 292 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: helped me, Oh fiery, which is took me to Mara 293 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: Maros and they put six hundred weight of salt on me, 294 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: which we're laughing at. But if you break it down, 295 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: that has all the hallmarks of all the different hallucinations, 296 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: whether it's traveling or the weight on your chest or 297 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: you know, the all these tactics. Yeah, hallucinations like wrapped 298 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: up into one nightmare with exclamation points. Yeah, there weren't 299 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: in Uh. I thought this is pretty interesting. In um St. Lucia, 300 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: the Caribbean island, they have a term called Cookema and 301 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: they think that it's a little unbaptized babies who are 302 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: haunting the area that are that are causing sleep paralysis 303 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: or doing all sorts of horrible things to you while 304 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: you're sleeping. But you're not sleeping, we should be. I 305 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: want to restate this again because it's a little confusing. Yeah, 306 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: when you're experiencing sleep paralysis, you're laying there and your 307 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: eyes are open, and you know that something's in the 308 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: room with you. Maybe it comes over and climbs on 309 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: your chest. When it does, you can feel its breath 310 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: in your face. You can smell and taste its rank breath. 311 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: You can feel the pressure of it laying on your chest. 312 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: It's staring you in the eyes, and you cannot move. 313 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: Not only can you not move, you can't make a 314 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: sound as much as you're trying to scream your head 315 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: off because you were scared out of your mind. And 316 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: this experience can last from a few seconds to I've 317 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: seen up to ten minutes, and from anecdotally, each second 318 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: of those ten minutes feels like a decade because you're 319 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: just so scared and it's just going on and on 320 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 1: and on. So um, it makes total sense that you 321 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: would say, ah, there was a spirit in my room 322 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: last night. Yeah, because if not, you're you think I'm 323 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: losing my mind, right, So let's blame it on. I mean, 324 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: we'll get into some of the other reasons, but blame 325 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: it on something else, right, Like in in Japan kind 326 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: of shabari um is now they believe that it's evil 327 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: spirits messing with you. Same thing in Korea with how 328 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: we knew Alita, how we Nulita? Yeah, I thought that 329 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: was pretty good pronunciation. And like we said, though, these 330 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: are all sort of versions of the same thing, um, 331 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: no matter where you go, which I always find interesting, 332 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: like these sort of universal regional things. And then most 333 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: recently though the and this is where I think we 334 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: first came into sleep paralysis with the trans cranial me 335 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: that stimulation episode. Was that, um, it's to blame for 336 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: basically every UFO abduction account. Oh yeah, was that where 337 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: we talked about it? For sure? Um, they have done 338 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: studies and they found that if you, ah, I think, 339 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: if you believe in alien abductions, if that's part of 340 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: your belief system, then you're more or did they do 341 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: the study of people that experienced sleep paralysis and all 342 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: of them believed you know, maybe in UFOs. I think 343 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: they did the reverse of people who have report having 344 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: been abducted by UFOs they experienced sleep paralysis. Okay, they 345 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: have a higher frequency of experiencing sleep paralysis so they 346 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: just the people study this and they just fold their 347 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: arms again. Okay, right, yeah it was an alien but there, 348 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: I mean apparently in the UFO lore, the sleep paralysis 349 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: has been accounted for. So like you when you're abducted, 350 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: you remember being paralyzed before and after. Um, but you 351 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: they wipe your memory of the actual like abduction out, 352 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: but they leave the sleep paralysis. And like I remember 353 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: an X files. I think when Fox Moulder's sister was taken, 354 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: like she was levitated off the bed and like just 355 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: stiff as a board, floats out the window. That's classic 356 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: sleep paralysis symptoms where you can't move and yet you 357 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: still feel like you're floating and you're moving your levitating, 358 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: or that there's six hundredweight of salt being put on 359 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: your chest. Um, I love salt, so that might not 360 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: be a bad thing. He'd be like, this is delicious 361 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: and terrifying. It up towards my tongue, that that'd be 362 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: the part that was making you crazy. I couldn't get 363 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: to it. Uh. They say it usually occurs when you 364 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: are lying on your back in bed, although it can 365 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: occur in any position at all. Because one of the 366 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: accounts this article is school because they have first hand accounts. 367 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: One of the guys was laying on his stomach and 368 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: he felt the de and the incubus I think on 369 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: his back um or maybe it was a succubus. I'm 370 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: not sure. Um. And you can break it. Sometimes it 371 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: happens on its own. Sometimes, Uh, you can break it 372 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: on your own on purpose, they recommend, and this is 373 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: a good idea. I think they recommend to try and 374 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: like instead of saying I gotta get up and run 375 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,239 Speaker 1: out of here, they say to try to like just 376 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: blink or like lift your little finger or just any 377 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: conscious movement that you can get can break that thing. Yeah, 378 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: And apparently the moment you do that, the spell is broken. Yeah. 379 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: Um is how it's been put forever. Um. Herman Melville 380 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: was the first, I think to write about this, and 381 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: Mobi dick Ishmael recounts sleep paralysis again. Yeah. And then 382 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: I think twenty five or fifty years later, the first time, 383 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: um it shows up in the medical literature. Silas Weir Mitchell, 384 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: who we know from The Exploding Heads and right. He 385 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: also he also described that for the first time to 386 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: this guy was like knocking out the paras omnia is 387 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: left and right, um, but they both used this terminology 388 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: that the spell is broken. All it takes is just 389 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 1: the slightest stir and and the sleep prowsis is over with. 390 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: But the problem is you can't move, you can't make 391 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: a sound. Um. They said to even try to clearing 392 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: your throat. Yeah, but even that can be challenging. But 393 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: supposedly if you can even get just a little bit 394 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: going you you wake yourself up a little bit, and 395 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: then you can do it a little more and more 396 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: and more, and then all of a sudden you're screaming 397 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: and you've woken yourself up. Or if you can make 398 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: a sound or a signal or something to get your 399 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: partner help, something to notice that you are in the 400 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: midst of sleep prowesses, all they have to do is 401 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: just like touch you and it brings you back to 402 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: reality or this reality. Yeah, and it's not one of 403 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: those things where you know it's dangerous to wake someone 404 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: up experiencing sleep proalysis, right, and it's like totally fine. Yeah, 405 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: that's the other thing about it is as terrifying and 406 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: horrifying and just what a horrible experience it is. It's 407 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: physiologically it's harmless aside from raising your blood pressure. Yeah, 408 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: I mean I guess you could always like trigger up 409 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: cardiac arrest or something maybe. But right, well, supposedly it mimics, um, 410 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: having a heart attack in some ways, so you actually 411 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: could be having a heart attack and and think it 412 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: a sleep paralysis or um. I think it also mimics 413 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,479 Speaker 1: epilepsy in some ways. Um. But if it is just 414 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: actual sleep paralysis, it's harmless. Well yeah, and I know 415 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: we did mention this. It might have been the trans 416 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: magnetic transcranial magnetic yeah, yeah, simulation where they recommend one 417 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: of the things is to just tell or it might 418 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: have been night terrors. Tell people just to like learn 419 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: to embrace it and go with it and then it 420 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: doesn't because sometimes it can be a joyful experience. It's 421 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: not always tear. Yeah, and maybe if you roll with it, 422 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: you can control it a little bit more. It was 423 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: it was exploding head syndrome. That's just just learning that 424 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: it's actually harmless, the same thing like let people. Some 425 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: people just got over it immediately, um, and then other people, 426 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: um yeah with this have learned to actually enjoy like 427 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: the feeling of levitating or floating, and it all comes 428 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: down to hearing that it's harmless, and hearing that it's 429 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: harmless relieves stress, and stress is actually what brings both 430 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 1: of those things on. So they're related in some way, 431 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: and we'll we'll get down to the scientific nitty gritty 432 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: after this break. Huh chuck, sir, if you're trying to 433 00:25:50,760 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: eat better, all right, tune. What's what's really going on here? 434 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: Old hags aside? Uh, well, I guess we should talk 435 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: about narcolepsy a little bit because this is one of 436 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: the I guess side effects of narcolepsy. Um. There are 437 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: actually a couple of them, sleep paralysis and then what's 438 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: called vivid hypnogogic hallucinations, which is when you're falling asleep 439 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: like we talked about. And apparently if you're narcileptic about 440 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: seventeen of narcoleptic or people who have narcolepsy, is it 441 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: wrong to say narcoleptic? Probably? Probably. I think with any 442 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: any condition or disease, don't like identify the person, right, Yeah, 443 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: it's somebody with it, that's right, So somebody with narcailepsy. 444 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: And I want to hear from you people. By the way, 445 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: some people who who have NARCOLEPSI will be like, hey, 446 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm an arcileptic. I don't care, and other people will 447 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: say like, kudos, right for saying people with narcilepsy, UH 448 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: seventeen experienced sleep paralysis. If you are stricken with narcolepsy, 449 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: experience those vivid hypnogogic hallucinations and UM, it pretty much 450 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: as individual as far as UH is how much you're 451 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: going to have these and how much you experience it, 452 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: whether you're have narcolepsy or not. UM. But if you 453 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: are non narcalyptic in that population, which is most people, UM, 454 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: twenty to of those folks apparently will experience it at 455 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: least one pretty wide range. Some people experiencing experience it 456 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: very frequently. UM. And apparently if you have basically chronic UM, Yeah, 457 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: I think it's called severe and chronic sleep paralysis. So 458 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: severe is UM where it happens like multiple times in 459 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: a night, and then chronic is where that happens over 460 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: a period of six months. If you're one of those 461 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: poor s obs who has chronics of your sleep paralysis, 462 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: this can happen to you like up to twelve times 463 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: or more in a night. Yeah, because when you get 464 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: back to sleep, it will happen all over again, right, Yeah, 465 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: So that was one of the things when you're when 466 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: if you're moving a finger, blinking an eye, or making 467 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: a sound and you wake yourself up, you want to 468 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: actually get out of bed and get up and move around, 469 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: basically shake it off, because if you don't, you can 470 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: fall back asleep and the same thing is going to 471 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: happen again and again. Then even more mind boggling. Is 472 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: this one of the other traits of um sleep paralysis 473 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: or what it called false awakenings, right, which is some 474 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: straight up inception stuff where you think you're awake and 475 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: screaming but you're not. Right, then you wake up and realize, oh, 476 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: I was dreaming that I was awake and experiencing sleep paralysis. 477 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: So it's a bit of a mind bender. It is 478 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: including that these false awakenings, according to Professor French in 479 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: that video, can can be several layers deep. So when 480 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: you have an about of sleep paralysis and you finally 481 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: scream and wake up, you realize, oh I was dreaming, right, 482 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: you might experience it again and then you do the 483 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: same thing and you you you go through this multiple 484 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: times until you finally actually do wake up. But you 485 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: can go through sleep paralysis over and over again in 486 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: different layers of a dream. Yeah, and then you get 487 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: up and you go to work at your stupid cubicle, 488 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: and no one around he has any idea that the 489 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,479 Speaker 1: living hell that you're experiencing or just the amazing journey 490 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: you've just been on with a rod. Uh. One thing 491 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 1: that really stinks is if you know to combat it, 492 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: like you said, to get up and fully wake yourself up, 493 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: that that could screw you. If you have a hard 494 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: time falling back asleep, you might be up for the night. Uh. 495 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: In this one person in here describe the feedback loop 496 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: of stress. A lot of times stresses what brings brings 497 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: it on, and then it becomes this self fulfilling prophecy 498 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: that you're stressed out about what's going to happen, which 499 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: makes it happen and you're just thinking, oh no, no, 500 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: not not again, not again, not again, And of course 501 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: that's when it happens, right right, right, So, like the 502 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: stress is messing up your sleep pattern and that's where 503 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: the whole thing comes from. Right. So, the first two 504 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: guys who were described in the Medical Nature by Silas, 505 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: we're Mitchell Um as having sleep paralysis. We're actually healthy. 506 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: But it was people with narcilepsy who ultimately lead to 507 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: basically the solving of the mystery of what sleep paralysis is. 508 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: And one of the characteristics of narcilepsy is something called 509 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: sleep on st r e M periods. Yeah that they 510 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: think that may be the key there. I I think 511 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: it's the key. Yeah, So what that is? Uh, you know, 512 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about r e M sleep that 513 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: usually happens about an hour or at least an hour 514 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: or more after you've fallen asleep. And what's happening here 515 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: is is so imp can we call it that? Yes, 516 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: sleep on st r EM periods is when you're experiencing 517 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: this r e M before that hour or so has passed, 518 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: Like right as you're falling asleep, you go straight into 519 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: the r M sleep. So, like I think in my 520 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: own private Idaho either Keyana Reeves or River Phoenix when 521 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: they like fell asleep, yeah, one of those said an arcolepsy, right, yeah, 522 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: one of them think so um, like their their eyes 523 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: kind of fluttered, okay, So like that was a perfect 524 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: perfect portrayal of narcilepsy because your eyes would flutter during 525 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: ri e M sleep, and it would happen immediately if 526 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: you had sudden nonset R e M periods. Right. So 527 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: the idea that somebody can fall asleep and immediately go 528 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: into R E M sleep rather than go through the 529 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: sleep cycles and the stages like you're supposed to, that 530 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: apparently is what accounts for is associated very strongly with 531 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: episodes of sleep paralysis with people with narcilepsy, with people 532 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: who have sore MPs. Because you don't have to have 533 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: narcilepsy to have sleep on set R e M periods. 534 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: It's a it's a trait of narcolepsy, but even people 535 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: who who don't have narcolepsy can experience that, and usually 536 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: it's when you're very stressed and your sleep pattern is 537 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: out of whack. Yeah, I think what I was trying 538 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: to say was that doesn't explain when you have of 539 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: sleep paralysis episode coming out of sleep, right, which is 540 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: the hip no pomp pick uh, But I think it 541 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: was probably who is it? Dr French, Professor French. Mr 542 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: French in the in the conservatory with the candlestick, uh, 543 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: Professor French. I think reasons that it doesn't fully explain it, 544 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: but it could relate because it's a similar state of 545 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: consciousness either way falling sleep or waking up. Yeah. So 546 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: basically exiting or entering R E M sleep suddenly into 547 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: this reality can can be attended by an episode of 548 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: sleep paralysis. Yeah. And they did some studies in Japan. 549 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: They actually elicited that sore MP. These are mean, yeah, 550 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: don't you think. I don't know how they would do that, 551 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: but they elicited sore and participants uh, and they used 552 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: sleep interruption in nine point four percent of the ones 553 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: induced had an episode of sleep paralysis. Yeah, but that 554 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: was that was UM going into sleep. Correct. They've not 555 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: figured out how to how to like you said, created 556 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: and bringing somebody out of R E M sleep, but 557 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: again associated with it, and what they think is going 558 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: on is basically this when you when you suddenly go 559 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: into R E M sleep from waking life, your brain 560 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: can get caught in this dual state of consciousness where 561 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,479 Speaker 1: your brain is consciously awake, but it's also in the 562 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: exact same same UM state it's in when you're dreaming, 563 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: which your dreams take place in R A M sleep, 564 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: So you're in two states of justinus at once. That's 565 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: amazing to me, that's sleep paralysis, and the paralysis is 566 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: explained by the fact that another hallmark of r M 567 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: sleep is that you can't move your muscles are paralyzed. 568 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: It's cataplexy, right. Um, so that you don't act out 569 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: your dreams, so you're dreaming while you're awake, that's sleep paralysis. Yeah, or, 570 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 1: as Dr French says, wakefulness has occurred, but the body 571 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: and part of the brain are still in r M sleep. 572 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: Nuts it is, I can't. I want to have one 573 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: of these, Yeah, but it sounds so scary. Panic. These 574 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: are the words are used for it. I know I 575 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: want to have one, and I'm not taking it lightly 576 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: for people that suffer from it. I know it can 577 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: be awful, but I would like to like the exploding 578 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: head thing, like, now I know what that feels like. Yeah, 579 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: and I kind of like having these references in life, okay, 580 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: like personal references. You know. Sure, I remember we did 581 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: the slinky episode. You went out and bought it slinky. 582 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: That's not true. Um. So, like we said, how you 583 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 1: can break it is by trying to move small things, 584 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 1: clear your throat maybe. Um. Aside from that, you can 585 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: try and avoid it altogether. By if you're able to 586 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: have a really regular sleep schedule and stuff like that. 587 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: But if you're they make a good point. If you're traveling, 588 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: if you're in different time zones, if you have to 589 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: work the night shift, you have a kid, yeah, exactly, 590 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: waking up all night, you might uh kind of be 591 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, at the mercy of the sleep paralysis. God. Yeah, 592 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: I was, Um. I was glad that they put that 593 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 1: in that realism because so many times whenever you're talking 594 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: about is sleep disorder, it's like the CDC recommends an 595 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: apple a day, and it's just like this is not helpful, 596 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: Like this isn't real. But this guy's like, yeah, you're 597 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: you're in trouble when your sleep's all jacked up and 598 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: you have sleep paralysis a lot. Yeah, what else is there? Oh? Um, 599 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: with narcolepsy in particular, and I mean there are drugs 600 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: that you can take, but they don't necessary early work 601 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 1: with sleep paralysis with with narcolepsy. Um sodium oxybate is 602 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: uh prescribed and I looked that up as g HB. Yeah, 603 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: but that's just for an eclepsy, not for sleep paralysis. 604 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: Right with the idea that if you cured the narcolepsy, 605 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: then you won't have the sleep paralysis. That I think 606 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: is how you could cure it. But that's only if 607 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: you have narcolepsy, not um isolated sleep paralysis. I think 608 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: the official recommendation, aside from all the little tricks that 609 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: we mentioned, is, like we said, hey, it's not gonna 610 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: hurt you, UM, try and reframe how this is in 611 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: your brain and don't be afraid of it. Welcome the incubus. 612 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: What if the band incubus was what showed up in 613 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: your room while you had sleep paralysis? You know. Another 614 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: way to treat this is for everybody to be nice 615 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: to everybody else and cut down on everyone's stress. You 616 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: never know who has sleep paralysis. They might think they're 617 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: being abducted by UFOs and antally probed every night and 618 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: are too freaked out to even mention it, which is 619 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: another thing that UM Professor French points out, like we 620 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: need to let people know about this because the more 621 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,760 Speaker 1: people we know that this is actually harmless and fairly common, 622 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,919 Speaker 1: the less stressed they're going to be about it when 623 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 1: it actually when they go to bed. So go out there, 624 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: you tell somebody about sleep paralysis, and then also be 625 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: nice to everyone you meet. Yeah, I posted a there's 626 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: a documentary about it. Um, I can't remember the name 627 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: right now, but I posted this documentary trailer quite a 628 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: while ago then Netflix. I can't remember what it's called, 629 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: but I know what you're talking about, like the dream 630 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: maybe something like that. It's got a pillow. But um, 631 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: I posted on Facebook a while ago, and uh, a 632 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: lot of people chimed in that had bouts of sleep paralysis. Yeah, yeah, 633 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: apparently it's very common. Yeah. I went and look through 634 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: the comments today. It was pretty interesting stuff. And my 635 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: heart goes out to everybody same here. And hopefully you've 636 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: learned just to sort of live with it, be a 637 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: dream sailor you live with it and write it out. 638 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: That would be kind of cool, though I'd be like 639 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 1: levitation on control it, incubus out, suck, give us in. Uh, 640 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: you got anything else? No, If you want to, um, 641 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,720 Speaker 1: learn more about sleep paralysis, we'll just type those words 642 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: in the search bar because we have a very limited 643 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: amount here and how stuff works. So after you read 644 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: Robert Lamb's great thing, go check out stuff on the internet. 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