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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to the Buck Brief. Ryan Gradusky is with

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Speaker 2: us now once again. He's the founder of the seventeen

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Speaker 2: seventy six Project Pack and the author of the National

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Speaker 2: Populas newsletter. Ryan, I sit here and I cannot believe

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Speaker 2: that Biden is actually gone. You and I thought that

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Speaker 2: he would make it to the very end, and it

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Speaker 2: was close. I mean it was close. He kept coming,

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Speaker 2: he kept coming, and sure enough they managed to push

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Speaker 2: him out.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with that. How do they do this?

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Speaker 1: So Biden's closest advisors from people that I've spoken to,

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Speaker 1: went to him and showed him the internals and they said,

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Speaker 1: not only is there no path for you to win,

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Speaker 1: but you are actually going to cross Democrat states like Virginia, Maine,

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire, Minnesota, and New Mexico, and you're actually neck

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Speaker 1: and neck in New Jersey and Colorado. So down Mallad,

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Speaker 1: you're going to wipe the party out and you're going

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Speaker 1: to lose in one of the biggest political landslides for

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Speaker 1: Democrats since.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty eight, So that that's pretty tough.

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Speaker 2: Now, that's not good, right, That's not a good situation. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: can you just try to explain this to me though

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Speaker 2: for a second?

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Speaker 3: Did people really not know that he had dementia? Do

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 2: I mean, the voters. I know, the media just lies

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Speaker 2: and they pretend, but if the polling shows this, it's

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Speaker 2: it must be at some level that people were the

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Speaker 2: media was able to hide from them the extent of

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Speaker 2: his dementia, right, because otherwise, why would all of a

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Speaker 2: sudden he wasn't down those kinds of numbers two three

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Speaker 2: months ago?

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Speaker 1: Well, he was down for a while, and I think

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Speaker 1: that the Democrats just hoped that it wouldn't matter that

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Speaker 1: that eventual, that the debate would have gone as bad

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Speaker 1: as it did, and that they could keep it going

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Speaker 1: for long enough by having a basement campaign. And it

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Speaker 1: just I mean, that debate was the nail in the coffin,

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Speaker 1: and it was it was over after that.

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Speaker 2: But then you know, there were there were bad numbers

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Speaker 2: for him right afterwards. And he said no, I mean,

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Speaker 2: he sent out explain this to me. He had the campaign,

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Speaker 2: the Biden campaign co chair on the Sunday CBS show,

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Speaker 2: right whatever, that thing is saying that Biden is in

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Speaker 2: and he's the guy. And then a couple of hours later,

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Speaker 2: Biden puts out a tweet saying I'm out.

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Speaker 1: They had a they agreed to a CNN debate the

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Speaker 1: day before, they put Jill in a bunch of new

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Speaker 1: fundraisers that I had heard from someone in the Adaman

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Speaker 1: who I'm friendly with, that Biden was quitting. That she

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Speaker 1: had gotten the word that Biden was quitting, and that

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Speaker 1: was earlier in the week, and I was like, well, whatever.

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Speaker 1: Then there was a Newsmax breaking news story that Biden

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Speaker 1: it because they had these new fundraisers, they had Kamala

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Speaker 1: CNN new to see, an n debate, and a parent

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Speaker 1: only last minute, he just pulled the trigger and said, no,

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Speaker 1: I can't win. My close advisors, the ones who are

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Speaker 1: yes man, say I can't win, So I have to

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Speaker 1: get out. And now he's a hero. Now he's a

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Speaker 1: national hero. Now that's what the media is saying, is like,

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Speaker 1: look how brave he is. After today did everything to

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Speaker 2: Well, my favorite thing is that he put the country

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Speaker 2: over himself. Well for the last month he was apparently

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Speaker 2: shoved him out of a moving car so that he

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be the nominee anymore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they did.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they did everything they possibly going to make

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Speaker 1: his life miserable. And now he's a hero for doing

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Speaker 1: the hard job. But listen, credit to Nancy Pelosi. That

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Speaker 1: woman is eighty four years old and she is probably

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Speaker 2: Why do you think Obama hasn't endorsed Kamala yet? There

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Speaker 2: have been all these Kamala endorsms out there from everybody.

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Speaker 2: Gretchen Whittmurray said that she endorses Kamala and she won't

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Speaker 2: take the VP role. Like, what's going on with that?

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Speaker 1: Because Biden's supposed to, sorry, Obama supposed to be bigger

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Speaker 1: He's like a deity. So they wait and they hold

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Speaker 1: out for it. But I mean, it's Kamala. There's no

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be a real contested convention. This

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Speaker 1: or something like that, it's not real. It's Kamala. And

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Speaker 1: they hope that Kamala will improve against Biden, not to win,

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Speaker 1: but to help the bleeding down ballot, which is so

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Speaker 2: to me, here's where we are because I almost frame

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Speaker 2: it a different way. People say will Trump win? And

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Speaker 2: the way that I approach this is if Trump can't

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Speaker 2: beat Kamala Harris, what is the point of the GOP?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: If Kamala Harris can defeat a nominee who has already

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Speaker 2: been president, who got shot in the ear and looked

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Speaker 2: like a badass right afterwards, who is who bank was

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden before a single vote was cast in this election?

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Speaker 2: And who has the most up unity and enthusiasm I

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Speaker 2: think I've ever seen like what helped me work through this?

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Speaker 2: Do they really think that Kamala Harris can defeat Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump in a general election.

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Speaker 1: I don't know any Democrat who thinks that there's a

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Speaker 1: You know. Trump still probably has about the same maybe

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Speaker 1: a little maybe better, maybe worse polling against Kamlads against Biden.

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Speaker 1: The instant polls, I wouldn't trust most of them. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to wait a few weeks for the real

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Speaker 1: polling to come out. But now, I mean, Trump definitely

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Speaker 1: has the overall advantage. They're trying to now say that

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Speaker 1: he's too old to be president. That's the new Democratic line,

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Speaker 1: if you'll see that in the media today. But if

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Speaker 1: the goal is to sit there and say, hey, we

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Speaker 1: could keep the Michigan Senate seat, we could save you know,

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Speaker 1: It's about saving and maintaining the endangered seats because under Biden,

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Speaker 1: you know, Tammy Baldwin was neck and next she wouldn't

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Speaker 1: even be seen with him anymore. In Wisconsin. She used

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Speaker 1: a lot of endangered Democrats really worrying that they were

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Speaker 1: gonna have a horrendous down ballot effect that would cost them,

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Speaker 1: you know, more than just two or three Senate seats.

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Speaker 1: But they were looking at six or seven.

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Speaker 2: So no matter what they say publicly now, of course

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Speaker 2: they'll live at all this stuff. But the notion that

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, it seems to me, like what you're telling

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Speaker 2: me is it's not that Kamala Harris is better head

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Speaker 2: to head against Trump. It's that Kamala Harris won't cause

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Speaker 3: Is that pretty much the strategy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Democrat internals were looking at six to

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Speaker 1: such a loss where you can't fix that in one

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Speaker 1: election cycle. You can't just come back and have another

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Speaker 1: but you can't do it with thirty to forty losses

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Speaker 1: want to give Trump this overwhelming majority.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's in a sense though, I mean they're

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Speaker 2: conceding the presidential election. But this is a desperate This

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Speaker 2: This is this is like throwing the tournique around the

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Speaker 2: bloody leg. This is not oh like, we're gonna go

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Speaker 2: dash now right. I mean, it's just otherwise, it makes

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Speaker 1: It's never happened before. This has never happened in history.

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Speaker 1: We're this far along in the presidential election and a

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Speaker 1: dropped out, but that was way earlier. And in seventy two,

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Speaker 1: sorry sixty eight against Nixon. In sixty eight, Lyndon Johnson

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Speaker 1: six seven months earlier than what we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: We're the very very tail, and we were, you know,

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Speaker 2: All right, I want to I want to ask you

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Speaker 2: a second. But just think this one over, Ryan. They've

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Speaker 2: already now had the entire party, Democrat Party machinery essentially

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Speaker 2: endorse Kamala. Right, everybody who's got a big name, they've

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Speaker 2: already said it's Kamala. They've raised fifty million dollars for Kamala.

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Speaker 2: Is there a realistic chance that they go into a

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Speaker 2: convention and somebody else emerges out of this? But before

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Speaker 2: you answer that, Porter Stansbury is a good friend of

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Speaker 2: mine and a business partner of many years, and he

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Speaker 2: did something really interesting. He decided to cut his salary

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Speaker 2: to a dollar a year. And he's doing this to

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Speaker 2: make a point. Porter says, there's a better way to save.

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Speaker 3: And get paid.

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Speaker 2: A new form of money in America is what he

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Speaker 2: calls it makes some people wildly rich. But no, it's

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Speaker 2: not gold or bitcoin. Porter says. What's interesting is that,

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Speaker 2: well every American is legally entitled to use the secret currency,

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Speaker 2: few know much about it now. Porter's hoping to change that.

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Speaker 2: He says, the way our government is destroying the US dollar,

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Speaker 2: it's critical to understand how America's new money works. He

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Speaker 2: So I mean to me, the real question I think

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Speaker 3: They in a month?

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Speaker 2: Are we gonna be hearing Nancy Pelosi actually endorses somebody else.

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Speaker 2: It's like they endorse Biden implicitly, and now they've endorse Kamala.

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Speaker 2: But then they're gonna endorse somebody else in three three

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Speaker 1: But now, I mean, the only person whose name who

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Prisker could run. He's worth several billion dollars.

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Speaker 2: Who does she want? And who will she get?

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Speaker 2: So you don't think like the all to talk about

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Speaker 1: So Mark Kelly is never gonna be anything besides the Senator,

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Speaker 1: And commentators were like, well, the problem with Jos Shapiro

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Speaker 3: Israel, very interesting.

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Speaker 2: All right, Ryan Gardusk, everybody go go subscribe to the

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Speaker 2: National Populast new letteral substack. Ryan, we didn't get this

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Speaker 3: So we got VP right though.

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Speaker 2: That's what thank you that you and I have been

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Speaker 2: saying I agree with you, and we've been saying publicly

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Speaker 2: jd vance and it was jd vance and that's you know,

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Speaker 2: we nailed that wee all right, Thank you, Ryan Grodusky.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you, my friend, you too,