1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World. If Democrats continue to 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: hold this critical relief hostage, I will act under my 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: authority as president to get Americans the relief they need. 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: We still don't have a deal. We've had Democrat senators 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: not once, but twice say no, We're still very far 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: apart on some very significant issues. Our Republican friends don't 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: seem to see the gravity of the situation, the great 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: crisis that we're in. The six hundred dollars is not 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: a deterrent. The Trump administration and Senate Republicans have badly 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: mauled the body politics. Don't Nicklendyne, I killed him. Oh 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: this is new Duelu virus. I'm recording from home, so 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: you may notice a difference in audio quality on this 13 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: episode of News World, watching the Pelosi surrender strategy, in 14 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: which they just hold tight, hold tight, hold tight. No 15 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: matter what the Republicans offer, it's never enough. They ridicule 16 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: the Republicans. They're not negotiating in good faith. And it 17 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: just reminded me of different negotiations I've been through, and 18 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: so I wanted to take a minute to put the 19 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: current negotiations in the context of the really big difference 20 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: between a surrender ceremony and a negotiation, because I think 21 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: what Pelosi and Schumer are trying to do the create 22 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: a surrender ceremony in which the Republicans are supposed to 23 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: give up everything get nothing, but in that process both 24 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: split the Republican Party and emboldened the Democrats. I'm going 25 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: to talk about negotiating versus surrendering because I've been watching 26 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: what's going on in Washington and I find it very disturbing. Frankly, 27 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: there's a pattern that's really been dominant in how people 28 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: deal with power in Washington. And the pattern starts with 29 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: the news media defining a crisis. Then as people get 30 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: all anxiety written about the crisis, the news media defines 31 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: the solution, which is usually bad, to increase the power 32 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: of liberals and diminish conservatives. And then the conservatives split 33 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: between those who want to fight on principle and those 34 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: who are intimidated by the news media and decide they 35 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: have to cut a deal. And this process has been 36 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: going on over and over again, and I think goes 37 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: back at least to the Eisenhower administration because it's the 38 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: natural consequence of the massive New Deal majority from nineteen 39 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: thirty two to nineteen fifty two, and the rise of 40 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: a more and more and more left wing news media, 41 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: so that the pressures are always to surrender to the 42 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: left and to accept that the left gets to define 43 00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: what winning is. I saw over the years examples of 44 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: successful and unsuccessful negotiating, and I want to share some 45 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: of those because as I watched Speaker Pelosi and Minority 46 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: Leier Schumer in the last couple of weeks, they really 47 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: are remarkably parallel to what I saw in nineteen ninety 48 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: when President George H. W. Bush was negotiating with the 49 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: Democrats over a budget. In the key to both of 50 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: these circumstances was a willingness by the Democrats to set 51 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: very very solid goals on their side for their team, 52 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: and then to be extraordinarily patient. And I noticed that 53 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: Republicans have a very short attention span, and they get 54 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: nervous and they start trying to appease and so what 55 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: would happen is the Democrats would come in and say 56 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: I want you to come a full mile to the left, 57 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: and the Republicans would start by saying, I'm not going 58 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: to do that, and then after a couple of weeks 59 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: they go, well, how about if I come two feet 60 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: to the left. The Democrats would say no, no, I 61 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: want you to become a full mile to the left, 62 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: and they say, well, I'm not going to do that. 63 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: And then another two weeks they'd come in and say, 64 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: well how about if I come five hundred feet And 65 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: this would go on and on and on until finally 66 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: the Republicans ended up with a deal that they didn't 67 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: believe in, would not normally have voted for, but felt 68 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: they had to accept because they'd negotiated for so long 69 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: and they were just playing tired of the negotiations. Meanwhile, 70 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: the Democrats were quite happy they would have negotiated forever 71 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: rather than saying yes to a bad deal. This core 72 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: psychological difference is remarkable, and what I began to get 73 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: out of it was that you have to define what 74 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: success is, and you have to define what failure is, 75 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: and you have to figure out who's going to get blamed. 76 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: And once you define success, you can accept fifty percent 77 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: of success or seventy percent of percass you can't accept zero. 78 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: And once you define what failure is, you have to 79 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: be very hard nosed about saying I'm not gone there 80 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that now. I negotiated for 81 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: four years a Speaker of the House. We got the 82 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: largest welfare reform in American history, the only four balanced 83 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: budgets in your lifetime. We reformed the Food and Drug Administration, 84 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: We reformed the Federal Communications Act. We got all sorts 85 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: of stuff done in a place where we had to 86 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: negotiate with a Democratic president. But we did it by 87 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: setting up boundaries where we would say, look, this is 88 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: what I have to have, and this is what I 89 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: can't do. And then Clinton would say, this is what 90 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: I have to have, and this is what I can't do. 91 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: And so you begin to create a box. In the 92 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: middle of that box, you'd find, generally speaking, some kind 93 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: of solution. That's not what Pelosian Schumer do, and that's 94 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: not in nineteen ninety what the Democrats were doing. In 95 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: both of these cases. They set up a box for 96 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: themselves and they say, I have to have all of this, 97 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: and I'm not going to give you anything. And they 98 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: work very hard at not giving the Republicans anything, because, 99 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: in their mind, the purpose of the negotiation is not 100 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: to reach an agreement. The purpose of the negotiation is 101 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: to force a surrender, so the Republicans will be badly weakened. 102 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: Let me take you back to George HW. Bush in 103 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety, because that was a negotiation I was in 104 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: the middle of. I was the new House Republican whip. 105 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: We had a huge fight about tax increases. Reagan had 106 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: run in nineteen eighty on the camp Row three year 107 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: tax cut. We had passed it in nineteen eighty one. 108 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: It had worked beautifully, the economy had done remarkably well 109 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: in coming back from the Carter years. And in nineteen 110 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: eighty four, a group of us led by Trent Lott 111 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: and Jack Kemp and bobcast It, but including Ben Webber 112 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: and Bob Walker myself, we set out and decided that 113 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: we would fight for a no tax increased plank in 114 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: the Republican platform because we wanted to codify Reagan's opposition 115 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: to tax cuts. What had happened was we had a 116 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: huge tax cut in eighty one, but the left wing 117 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: of the party was desperate to recover some of that 118 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,559 Speaker 1: money because they thought of it as the government's money. 119 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: We thought of it as the taxpayers money. And so 120 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: they've gotten two small tax increases through and we're busy 121 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: working to get another tax increase after the election, so 122 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: we wanted to cut them off and make it impossible, 123 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: and so we set out. Now we had a side effect, 124 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: a great benefit we didn't think about that just happened, 125 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: and that is we got the media to focus on 126 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: are they going to get this no tax increased plank 127 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: in the platform? And for about six weeks we had 128 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: the entire campaign focused on the question of tax increases 129 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: versus no tax increase, and they didn't get around the 130 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: covering abortion and the other social issues until the week 131 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: of the platform. Tax cuts are a really good Republican issue, 132 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: and if you get people to think about their pocketbooks 133 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: and whether they want the government to take more out 134 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: of them or less out of them, you generally win 135 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: the fight that we'd like to have more money in 136 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: our pocketbook. And it was ironic because the senior leadership 137 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: at the White House was deeply opposed to this plank 138 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: because they wanted to raise taxes in nineteen eighty five. 139 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,559 Speaker 1: But we knew that the President favored the plank because 140 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: he didn't want to raise taxes, and so he basically 141 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: kept them at bay and did not allow them to 142 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: wage a big fight or to say, Ronald Reagan as 143 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: opposed to this, and in the absence of that, we 144 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: got the votes. The minute that they knew in the 145 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: White House that we had the votes, they just gave up. 146 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: So we had passed what we thought was a huge breakthrough. 147 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: That was then taken by Grover Arquest at Americans for 148 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: tax reform and he turned it into a no tax 149 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: increased and in nineteen eighty seven that became a decisive 150 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: part of the presidential nominating process because Bob Dole refused 151 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: to sign the pledge on the grounds we might have 152 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: to raise taxes. Meanwhile, Bush, who really wasn't all that 153 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: comfortable with the pledge, but his advisers convinced him that 154 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: it was the key way to distinguish himself from Dole 155 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: and that a no tax increased Republican in the primaries 156 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: would beat a tax increased Republican. That's exactly what happened. Now. 157 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: I should also say, as part of this backgrounds, he'll 158 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: understand where we were that in the nineteen eighty four 159 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: Democratic Convention, Vice President Mondale, who became the Democratic nominee, 160 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: in his acceptance speech said, the other guy won't tell 161 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: you he's going to raise taxes, but I will, and 162 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: I've told you right here, I'm going to raise your taxes. Well, 163 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: we were thrilled, and we thought the contrast between the 164 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: no tax increased Republicans and guaranteed tax increased Democrats was perfect. 165 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: And of course we can carry forty United States, and 166 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: we felt pretty good that that model had worked. So 167 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: Bush accepts the model and signs the no Tax Increased 168 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: Pledge and then goes to the convention. And at the convention, 169 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: it is this amazing section of the speech in which 170 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: he says, the other guy's going to raise your taxes. 171 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: He'll tell you that it's going to be a last resort, 172 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, that's the first resort they go to. And 173 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: then he goes on to say they're going to come 174 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: to me and say we really have to raise taxes, 175 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: and I'm going to say to them, no new taxes. 176 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: And they're going to come back to me and say, oh, 177 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: we got to raise taxes, and I'm going to say 178 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: to them, no new taxes. And then they're going to 179 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: come back again and say we got to raise taxes. 180 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: And I'm going to say to them, read my lips, 181 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: no new taxes. And I'm the one who will not 182 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: raise taxes. My opponent now says he'll raise them as 183 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: a as resort or a third resort. But when a 184 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: politician talks like that, you know that's one resort he'll 185 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: be checking into. And my opponent, my opponent won't rule 186 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: out raising taxes, but I will in the Congress will 187 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: push me to raise taxes, and I'll say no, and 188 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: they'll push and I'll say no, and they'll push again, 189 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: and I'll say to them, read my lips, no taxes. 190 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: We wanted a commitment from Bush he would govern as 191 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: a conservative. Now the problem was that by nineteen ninety 192 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: the Democrats have figured out if they could get him 193 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: to break his no tax increased plutge, that in fact 194 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: they would be able to split Bush from his conservative 195 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: base and they would weaken him decisively for re election 196 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: in ninety two. Now, Bush had a dual problem. One 197 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: was that as a fiscal conservative, he really believed that 198 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: balancing the budget was more important than economic growth, and 199 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: he actually was probably willing to raise taxes, but he 200 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: had sort of boxed himself in. The Second problem he 201 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: had was much bigger, and that was he put five 202 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: hundred thousand American troops in the field, and he felt 203 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: morally responsible. They were there to kick Saddam Hussein out 204 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: of Kuwait, and I think he felt morally responsible to 205 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: get funding for that. The Democrats, in a pattern very 206 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: much like Polosi and Schumer today. The Democrats had decided 207 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: that they didn't care all that much about the troops 208 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: in the field, and they weren't all that worried about 209 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: being responsible, and if they could hang really tough and 210 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: force President and Bush to sign a tax increase, that 211 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 1: it would change history and would enable them to split 212 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: the Republican Party and would enable them to win the presidency. 213 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: Now that was the background in which I was involved. 214 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: They came to me and asked me because they knew 215 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: I was one of the leading anti tax increased Republicans 216 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: and I was the new Republican weather, and they came 217 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: to me and asked what I sit in on the 218 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: budget negotiations. I said, sure, as long as you understand 219 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: we're not going to raise taxes. And they said, oh, 220 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: you don't worry about it. We're not going to raise taxes. 221 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: And I went out to Andrews Air Force Base where 222 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: the major negotiations were, and I watched day after day 223 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: after day, as they just gradually ground down the Republicans. 224 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: The Democrats didn't mind meeting, they didn't mind arguing, they 225 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: didn't mind sitting there and wasting time. They were going 226 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: to get what they wanted to get. And so this 227 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: thing went on, and I really felt terrible because you 228 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: could see the morale and the momentum slipping. You could 229 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: see greater and greater desperation for a deal. And when 230 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: you go into these kind of negotiations, the side that 231 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: needs a deal is going to lose. To decide that 232 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: doesn't need a deal, what's the point of what You're 233 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: going to bail out? Because you just decide this is 234 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: too expensive, I can't do this. Well for the Republicans, 235 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: they were in the slippery slope, and what they wouldn't 236 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: have accepted the first week they accept a little of, 237 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: the second week, a little more of the third week. 238 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: And finally the Speaker of the House and instead of 239 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: majority of lea here went down to see the President. 240 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: And I started to get a phone call and they say, well, 241 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's a little bit of a tax increasing. 242 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: And I said, wait a second. The deal was no 243 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: new taxes, And said, well, you know, it's the best 244 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: we can do. The President's going to announce it in 245 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: a few minutes. You're soldier, You're going to stick with us, right, 246 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: I said, now, I'm not going to stick with you. 247 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: And so we ended up with a big meeting of 248 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: the Republicans in the Cabinet room and it was a 249 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: pretty eerie moment. We went around the room and I 250 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: was the most junior person in the room because I 251 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: was brand new, was the wind. And so the key 252 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: senators all said we're with you, mister President. The key 253 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: house leaders all said we're with you. Mister President. Got 254 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: to me and I said, you know, I can't vote 255 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: for a tax increase, and I think breaking your pledge 256 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: to the American people is going to be a disaster 257 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: and it may well cost you reelection. And so all 258 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: the rest of them walked out into the Rose Garden 259 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: to have a press conference to announce their support for 260 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: the tax increase in the budget deal, and I walked 261 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: out the West wing. I'll buy myself, let me see 262 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: an uncovered both on a split screen, and I went 263 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: out back up to the hill where Bob Walker, the 264 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: Deputy Whip, had gotten all of our guys on the 265 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: whip team together and they'd all wash their TV and 266 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: in the House of publican conference we won, they voted 267 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: decisively against raising taxes. Ultimately, the President had to cut 268 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: an even worse deal in order to get even more 269 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: Democratic votes to run over his own party. I'll tell 270 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: you that story's background, because you really have to understand 271 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: who the Democrats are. They're about power. They're not about policy, 272 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: and they're about doing whatever it takes to have power. 273 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: Whether that means that they're going to totally redefine the 274 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: election in Nevada so that the Post Office has already 275 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: reported they're going to send out a two hundred thousand 276 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: ballots to people who don't exist, or whether that means 277 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: they're going to have an election run so bad in 278 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: New York, that's six weeks after the primary. We still 279 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: don't know who two of the nominees are and two 280 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: of the congressional districts, or whatever it takes, because they 281 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: want the power, and they're quite willing to be ruthless 282 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: about the power. Democrats in nineteen ninety didn't care that 283 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: there were five hundred thousand Americans sitting in the desert, 284 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: and they didn't care that refusing them are budget egivement 285 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,719 Speaker 1: was going to in fact, potentially cut the defense budget 286 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: and cut spending on behalf of the people who are 287 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: risking allows to America. They didn't care. They have a 288 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: consistent pattern for putting partisanship first, and there are partisan 289 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: goals first. Similarly, this year, Polician Schumer don't care that 290 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: there are millions of Americans depending on this thing. They 291 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: don't care that we're in the middle of a huge pandemic. 292 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: They don't care that the government has artificially created a depression. 293 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: They see an opportunity to pay off their allies to 294 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: get what they want, to appease their radical wing. And 295 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: unless they get that done and at the same time 296 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: to block the Republicans from everything, they would make Republicans happy. 297 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: And so I've been watching this thing slide for two weeks, 298 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: and what I would trick with was how different it 299 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: was from the way Reagan would negotiate. You know, people 300 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: tend to forget Reagan knew a lot about negotiating. The 301 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: Reagan negotiating style was remarkably different, and it's one of 302 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: the things I really learned from. People often forget Reagan 303 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: had been the president of the screen actors still, and 304 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: in fact he led them on a strike which set 305 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: the Royalty pattern which ever since has produced an amazing 306 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: amount of income to people in the motion pictures. And 307 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: Reagan understood as a union leader sitting in a room, 308 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: being calm, being patient, and eventually getting your own way. 309 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: First direct experience of this was right after the election 310 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty. I had been supported by the Professional 311 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: air Traffic Controllers organization which was called pack Cup, and 312 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: the professional air traffic controllers had designed this strategy for 313 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter, and they were going to threaten to strike, 314 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: and they believed in their hearts that if the nineteen 315 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: thousand air traffic controllers went out, that would stop the 316 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: entire air traffic control system United States. All of the 317 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: airlines would be grounded, the economy would be in a crisis, 318 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: and therefore the President would have to sign a deal. 319 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: And they were probably right for Jimmy Carter because he 320 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: was into appeasement. And I would down to the White 321 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: House because I was the only Republican I think endorsed 322 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: by the professional air traffic Controllers. I represented both the 323 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: Hampton Center and the Atlanta Airport, so I had the 324 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: largest single group of air traffic controllers in the United States. 325 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: Now dawn of the whitehous one afternoon, and Drew Lewis, 326 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: the Secretary Transportation, is there, and I said, you know, 327 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: is the President really going to take on the air 328 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: traffic controllers? And he said, you know, Nut, we have 329 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: to stop the wage inflation, which is part of what's 330 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: eating up of the country. Now we have two opportunities 331 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: to summer. In August, we're going to have six hundred 332 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: and twenty three thousand postal workers. In June, we have 333 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: nineteen thousand air traffic controllers. We're going to have to 334 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: fight one of them. Which one would you recommend to 335 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: the president? Did he fight? I stared at Lewis. I said, well, 336 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: even though they endorsed me, I would recommend that he 337 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: fight the air traffic controllers because nineteen thousand is a 338 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: lot more manageable than six and twenty three thousand. And 339 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: he said, see, you begin to get it. So I 340 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: went back to the air traffic controllers and I said, guys, 341 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: I think you had a brilliant strategy for Jimmy Carter, 342 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: and it's going to be a dead loser. With Ronald Reagan, 343 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: I said, Oh, no, he has no choice. He can't 344 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: possibly deal with us. Well, of course Reagan had the 345 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: whole time they were negotiating, and they had already decided 346 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: from day one they were prepared to take a strike. 347 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: Let me make one thing plain. I respect the right 348 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: of workers in the private sector to strike. Indeed, as 349 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: president of my own union, I led the first strike 350 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: ever called by that union. I guess I'm maybe the 351 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: first one to ever hold this office who is a 352 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: lifetime member of an a f of LCIO union. But 353 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: we cannot compare labor management relations in the private sector 354 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: with government. Government cannot close down the assembly line. It 355 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: has to provide without interruption the protective services which are 356 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: government's reason for being. It was in recognition of this 357 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: that the Congress passed a law forbidding strikes by government 358 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: employees against the public safety. Let me read the solemn 359 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: oath taken by each of these employees, the sworn affidavit 360 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: when they accepted their jobs. I am not participating in 361 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: any strike against the government of the United States or 362 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: any agency thereof, and I will not so participate while 363 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: an employee of the Government of the United States or 364 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: any agency thereof. It is for this reason that I 365 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: must tell those who failed to report for duty this morning, 366 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: they are in violation of the law, and if they 367 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: do not report for work within forty eight hours, they 368 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 1: have forfeited their jobs and will be terminated. And so 369 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: they had organized. They'd gone out and found military air 370 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 1: traffic controllers, retired air traffic controllers in aim and they 371 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: put together a skeleton crew, and they took over and 372 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: didn't miss a beat. The air traffic slowed for a 373 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: couple of days, but not long, and all of a sudden, 374 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: nineteen thousand air traffic controllers were out of work. They 375 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: lost their jobs. Many of them lency came back and 376 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: worked at some other position, but they never get worked 377 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: as air traffic controllers. I tell you this story because 378 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: Reagan had drawn a line. He couldn't afford to negotiate 379 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: with him, and he couldn't afford to send that signal. Now, 380 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: his style normally was to be extraordinarily pleasant but extraordinarily firm. 381 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: Reagan understood that he had to pick what success was, 382 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 1: and he had to pick what failure was, and then 383 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: he had to think through what he would and would 384 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: not take. So we had all campaigned in nineteen eighty 385 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: on the three year tax cut, and Reagan understood that 386 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: there were no circumstances, none where Speaker Tip O'Neill was 387 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: going to help him. He get a three year tax 388 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: cut because it was the opposite of everything Liberal Democrats 389 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: believed that he was giving the American people their own 390 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: money back. Who was reducing the amount of money going 391 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: to government. It was emphasizing economic growth in the private sector. 392 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: And Reagan didn't try. I mean, he didn't spend any energy. 393 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: He's pleasant with O'Neil, but he expected O'Neil to a posting. 394 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: What he did, though, was he focused on the American people. 395 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: And I always recommend to people reading a book on 396 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: the education of Ronald Reagan by Tom Evans, which is 397 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: a study of a general electric where he spent eight 398 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: years talking to workers and learning about conservative economics and 399 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: learning a model of focusing on public opinion basically was 400 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: called moving DM. And it said, if opinions somewhere on 401 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: the line, and the majority is M is a place somewhere, 402 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: if you can move that M to a different place 403 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: on the line, elected officials have to follow it. They 404 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: have no choice because that's where the majority is and 405 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: if they want to survive, they're going to have to 406 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: follow the m So Reagan's model was to go to 407 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: the country, explain why the tax cuts really mattered, why 408 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: we needed it for economic growth, why I was central, 409 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: and of course basically saying I'm asking you as a 410 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: patriot to take more money in your take home pay 411 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: on behalf of a healthier, better American. Then he would 412 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: get them to call their congressman. This was a very 413 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: conscious discipline and thought through the model. So his negotiating 414 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: was actually with the American people. As he would put 415 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: it later on, his job was to turn up the 416 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: light for the American people, so as they learned things, 417 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: they would turn up the heat on Congress. What the 418 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: result was, we got about a third of the Democrats 419 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: to vote with us for the Reagan tax cuts. Now, 420 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,959 Speaker 1: by contrast, when Reagan had draw na line about what 421 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: he wouldn't do, he was very clear. They had a 422 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: summit meeting and recobit between Reagan and Gorbachev, and Reagan 423 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: had developed a concept called star wars, which basically missile 424 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: defense and missile defense terrified the Soviets because their scientist 425 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: had said to Gorbuchov, we think the Americans are our ahead. 426 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: We have no way of knowing what they can do. 427 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: And if they get this built, they will be able 428 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: to shield their country and we'll be totally vulnerable. So 429 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: Gorba shawp arrived and recommend with one goal yet Reagan 430 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: to give up on Star Wars, and gorbon Shaw ultimately 431 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: offered Reagan everything else in the American set of goals 432 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: for dealing with the Soviets. Just let me put it 433 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: on the table. Cutting the number of bombers, cut the 434 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: number of missiles you name. And on the last day 435 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: Reagan said, no, I'm not giving up the missile defense. 436 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 1: Well Gorbashaw blew up. He called, like, I'm offering you 437 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: all of this. You're not being flexible. Reagan said, no, nothinglexible. 438 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: That's the centerpiece. Who were I think we're going? Wow, 439 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: we didn't sign a document and the remains significant differences. 440 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: We must not mistake the absence of a final agreement 441 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 1: for the absence of progress. Historic gains were achieved, as 442 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: you know, after a great deal of discussion, our talks 443 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: came down to the Strategic Defense Initiative SDI I offered 444 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: a delay deployment of Advanced Strategic Defense for ten years, 445 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: while both sides eliminated all ballistic missiles. But General Secretary 446 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: Gorbachev said that his demand that we give up all 447 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: but laboratory research on SDI, in effect kill the program, 448 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: was non negotiable. So here's how I would sum up 449 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: my meeting with mister Gorbachev in Iceland. We addressed the 450 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: important areas of human rights, regional conflicts, and our bilateral relationship, 451 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: and we moved the US Soviet dialogue on arms reduction 452 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: to a new plane. You see Reagan outside standing next 453 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,959 Speaker 1: to Gorbuschov's car, poking his finger at Gorbachev and saying, 454 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: you blew it. You could have had a good deal, 455 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: that you were greedy and you wanted more than I 456 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: want to give you. Turned out everybody in the senior 457 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: team thought Reagan was crazy. I mean I know because 458 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: they came back to Washington and several of them briefly, 459 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: and they all thought he was crazy. Why wouldn't you 460 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: give up missile It has to get all these other goodies. 461 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: But Reagan had gone to Recivic already having decided in 462 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: his mind what is success and what is failure, and 463 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: failure in his mind was giving up the missile Aton system. Now. 464 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: It turned out, ironically that six months later Gorbachev came 465 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: to Washington, gave Reagan everything he had offered and reckivic 466 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: because Frank of the Soviets couldn't afford to continue spending money, 467 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: and so Reagan got every single thing he wanted without 468 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: giving up the one thing he wouldn't give up. But 469 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: notice what I'm describing here as a mentality that says, 470 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to define first what i want. Then I'm 471 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: going to define what i'm willing to give up. And 472 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: if you're not going to give me what I want, 473 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going to give up anything. And I'm never 474 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: going to give up the things that I have defined 475 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: as a failure. I just won't give them to you. 476 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: I'd rather walk out. And Reagan, as somebody who negotiated, 477 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: was willing to walk out. And I would argue, you 478 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: should never ever walk into a negotiation unless you're willing 479 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: to walk out of it, because otherwise, if the other 480 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: person senses that you're afraid to walk out, then they're 481 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: going to shift from a negotiation to a surrender, and 482 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: they're going to say this is going to break down 483 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,719 Speaker 1: unless you give me a B and C. And if 484 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: you're afraid to walk out, sooner or later, you're going 485 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: to give them a B and C because you want 486 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: to be able to claim success. And then you'll have 487 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: a meeting where you'll have a piece of junk made 488 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: up entirely of what they want, and you'll get up 489 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: there and you'll say, well, this was the best we 490 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: could do. But one of the lessons Reagan taught me 491 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: that I think is really important. The best you can 492 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: do if it's not good enough, isn't good enough, and 493 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: you walk out anywhere, and you say, you know, we 494 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: should get together later on. So, for example, I believe 495 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: we would be much better off if the President simply 496 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: said we've made four major offers to Pelosi and Tumor. 497 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: They've not accepted any of them. They have approved every 498 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: single thing we want that fits our values and moves 499 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: us back to jobs and growth. Therefore, I'm going to 500 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: focus entirely on everything I can get done through executive order. 501 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: They come to their senses, will be glad to go 502 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: back and meet, but I don't want to meet that. 503 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: The only purposes for them to say no to everything 504 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: we want and then demand from us everything that they want. 505 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: And I think it's really really important to distinguish negotiating 506 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: from surrendering, and I really am concerned that people need 507 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: to learn this lesson. The psychological pressure on Republicans, I 508 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: think is always greater than it is on Democrats for 509 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: that very reason, and it's compounded because they are a 510 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: very simple model. They want power, they want to make 511 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: sure that they get the things they believe in. They 512 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: pay off their left so their activists are happy, and 513 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: so they have very real, very practical yardsticks for measuring 514 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: whether or not something as a success. And they are 515 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: relentlessly willing to do whatever it takes to get what 516 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: they want. And I think Republicans have to become much 517 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: tougher mentally, much tougher a psychologically, much more cheerful about 518 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: not getting something done. And I think we every morning 519 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: have to ask ourselves, am I walking into a surrender 520 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: or to a negotiation? And if I'm walking into surrender, 521 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: why am I even doing it? If I'm about to 522 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: bring out something I would not normally vote for, why 523 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: would I claim credit? And I think this is a 524 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: huge problem for Republicans because they get caught up at 525 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: a group think and suddenly they end up bringing you 526 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: something that in a normal day they would think was crazy, 527 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: but because they're so tired and they put so much 528 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: into it, they have to pretend it's really a good 529 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: even if in fact is a disaster. I hope this 530 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:10,959 Speaker 1: distinction between negotiating and surrendering, the distinction between a Washington 531 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: centered strategy which never works for Republicans, and Reagan's focus 532 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: on reaching the country, arousing the American people, having the 533 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: American people help win the negotiation. I hope this difference 534 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: is helpful, and I hope that if you agree with it, 535 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: that you'll call your congressman and your senators and you'll 536 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: urge them don't surrender, negotiate, or simply have the President 537 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: use his executive powers to get as much done as 538 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: possible and just plain ignore. They would be legislative dictatorship 539 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: of Pelosi and Schumann. And I think you'll be able 540 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: to watch the next few weeks and you'll see exactly 541 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. And I think, frankly, probably for 542 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: the rest of your life, the Lenocraty Party is not 543 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: likely to change. They're very tough minded, they're very power oriented. 544 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: They represent a coalition of very ruthless people. They know 545 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: what they want, and they're willing to be absolutely hard 546 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: nosed in trying to get it. How don't think any 547 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: of that's going to change. The question is whether or 548 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: not Republicans can learn from all this and can develop 549 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: a more professional, tougher minded, and more effective approach to 550 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: insist always that we're in a negotiation, we're not in 551 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: a surrender, and could never be willing to kid yourself 552 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: about what's going on and what each side is trying 553 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: to accomplish. You can read more about negotiating in Washington 554 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: on our showpage at Newtsworld dot com. News World is 555 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: produced by Gingwich three sixty and iHeart Meeting. 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