1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: scripted as well. Hey, rain drops, today's episode Reality with 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: the King, Me and my girl are wearing glasses because 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: we got to see all the bullshit that this episode. 11 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: Oh see that. 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,959 Speaker 1: I can't wait to God into my first and foremost. 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: How's it going, electis. 14 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 3: Honey, I'm hanging on by a thread. I'm I'm it's 15 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 3: the countdowns here. We all know this, and I am. 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm dying. 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm dying. 18 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 4: But this on my wedding day. I need sleep. 19 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 3: Someone's gonna put me in a bear chamber and just 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 3: put me to bed for twenty four hours before the wedding. 21 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: Okay, alas this you look amazed, but please tell me 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: you're at least enjoying the process. 23 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: I well, okay, if we want me to be honest, 24 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 3: I'm not any effing more. No, I was up until now, 25 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: but it's like I can't sleep. 26 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 4: I can't. 27 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: There's things, there's deadlines and things that I've been four 28 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 3: days behind on it. I'm a Capricorn, so I'm mad 29 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: at myself and I'm like, you know, it's just it 30 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 3: now is just it's crunch time. But when it's all done, 31 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: like I think in like three days, I won't have 32 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 3: any more opportunities to worry about anything because it's kind 33 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 3: of like, no, it's you're here, so I'll make it through. Carlos, 34 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: It's okay to good bye. I'll get you every TGIF 35 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 3: so we're good, yes tg. 36 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: I and listen, you're everywhere, including I just saw you 37 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: on Vicky Gobbles's podcast and it made me scream as 38 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: I was my bit, like I mean, I usually skimming 39 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: my bed, but I was sitting for a different reason 40 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: this time. 41 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 3: Because carl was it too early to start with that? Okay, 42 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 3: give me, I gotta work up here. 43 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 4: Oh my yeah, right in there, I'm saying I have. 44 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: To pake the picture for my rain drop. 45 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: So I saw a picture that you were on the podcast. 46 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: So how was it being on Vickie's podcast. You know, 47 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: I think she's uh, I think she's everything and and 48 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: I think she's such a legend. But talk to me 49 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: about that, Like, Alexis, I feel like this is your 50 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: season too. 51 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 3: Well, it's definitely my season to become Alexis Jansen, so 52 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 3: we might as well make it my season for. 53 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 4: Right, Like, let's just start there. 54 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 3: No, okay, so my thing with my beef with Vicky 55 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 3: that okay, spit that out. My beef with Vicky last 56 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 3: season or like when I was on on eighteen. I 57 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: get that she would, you know, she had to defend 58 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 3: Shannon and she felt like she had to. I didn't 59 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 3: understand it because Vicky and I had a good friendship. 60 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 3: She started off, you know, hard on me by saying 61 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 3: welcome to my world on you. 62 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 4: Know, season eight when I started or no season five. 63 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 3: But I you know, we got through all that, and 64 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 3: she's funny. She deep doubt she has a good heart, 65 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: but you know she does forget that she says things 66 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 3: because she has gossiped about my husband and me many times. 67 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 3: And you know, so I went back in the media 68 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 3: on her because I'm like, don't talk about my family. 69 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 4: And then it's like, but we're grown women. We can 70 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 4: move on. And she doesn't even remember what she said. 71 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 4: That's the funniest part. When I did our podcast, She's like, 72 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 4: I don't have a problem with John. 73 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: I'm like, uh, girlfriend, you'p me to rewind what you 74 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: said last year, But why why do it? 75 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 4: Just get over it? It's like, it's. 76 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 3: Okay, Carlos, you know, but I think she's a hoop 77 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: And we had a blast doing that. 78 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 4: That podcast was so fun. 79 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, I listen, I think when it comes to Vicky, 80 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: who I is an og a lot of times, and listen, 81 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: I'm talking to you who's been on the show for 82 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: many seasons as well. I feel like when you're on 83 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: the show, it's such a social experiment that you say 84 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: stuff in the moment and you forget about because so 85 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: many other things happen. So I do believe her that 86 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: she's like, oh my gosh, I said that. And listen, 87 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: she's been on the show since season one. But last 88 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: year when she said those things about you and John, 89 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: you said that she felt the need that she had 90 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: to defend Shannon. 91 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: What Vicky's relationship like with Shannon today? 92 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: Well, so we did talk a little bit about that 93 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 3: She's not really they're not talking a ton, you know. 94 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: I don't think they're doing that their show anymore. They 95 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: had that dose of migos or whatever whatever, and so 96 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 3: I think that feels it out. And I think I 97 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: think what Tamara has said before about how, you know, 98 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 3: she's made it very public that Shannon doesn't follow up 99 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 3: with friends and doesn't you know, kind of ghost people, 100 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 3: and so I think the same thing has kind of 101 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: happened with Vicky. 102 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 4: But I don't know. 103 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 3: But Vicky did not bad mouth Shannon or any any 104 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 3: of the anything like that. 105 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 4: It was just it kind of fizzled out. 106 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: But also Vicky has a space where she moves past things. 107 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: Also she doesn't hold grudges and I so it's like, okay, 108 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: we can laugh. And it felt so good to be 109 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: back around her again because I haven't seen her in 110 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: two or three years, and you know, it's like we 111 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: were close. Like she flew on the private jet that 112 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 3: everyone makes fun of when I took went to Jim. 113 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: I threw Jim a big fiftieth birthday and I rented 114 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 3: a private jet to get us there. She flew on 115 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 3: that private jet that went that was the viral thing 116 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 3: that Tramer and I were. 117 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 4: Making fun of it because at the reunion it was like. 118 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 3: You flew on the private jet, you know, if it 119 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 3: was funny, and so we re enacted it, you know, 120 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 3: a decade later. But that's how close Vicky and I were, 121 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: Like we were friends, like real friends, and you know, 122 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: time and going through my divorce, I was I was 123 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:52,559 Speaker 3: lost for a long time. 124 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 4: So yeah, it felt. 125 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 3: Good to get back to holding her hand and like 126 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: and hugging and doing a hug and it felt real. 127 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 3: It didn't feel like we were either us we're faking it. 128 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 3: So yeah, all my all good, all good fields. 129 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,679 Speaker 1: Good, good, Well, look this message is. 130 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: For Alex Baskin. Alex. I mean, look, I could if 131 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: I wanted to know, so for my rain Dross. 132 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: Alex Basquins production company thirty two Flavors produces the Real 133 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: Housewives of Bors County, including Deverly Hills and the Valley 134 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,119 Speaker 1: and Delico Rules. 135 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: He's an icon And what's funny is you being on 136 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: Vickie show to me in the case that this is 137 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 2: what I need for Seaton twenty. 138 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: So Alex Basket if you're listening, or my friend Luke 139 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: Neslitch who is the showrunner for the Royal House Bossports County. 140 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: If you're listening, send this message to Alex Basket Time 141 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: coded that Carlos, Reginald King the first up to see 142 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: on season twenty, Vicky Govson and Alexis Blina back with Tamera, 143 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: Heather and you know some of the other girls too. 144 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: But I'll at least give you guys that, and you 145 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: guys can figure out the rest. 146 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 4: Okay, you have gotten it off your chest. So now 147 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 4: let's go on business. 148 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: That was good. 149 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 4: You needed to say. 150 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: That left your down to business. 151 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 3: You know. 152 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm full of surprises, but not like Slade 153 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: pretended to be surprised. 154 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: But Gretchen brought up in this episode the conference. 155 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: For those who are listening, and I'm watching this on YouTube, 156 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: Alexa Roller, Alexis, I haven't even brought up with the conversation. Girl, 157 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: you're over it. But and she's like barfing. Okay, So Slade, 158 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: who went to the Tom Hanks School of Acting, decided 159 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: to pretend he had no idea that Gretchen was going 160 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: to bring up this conversation about how the girls forced 161 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: her to bring up Tamras singing and how she didn't 162 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: want to do it. They took it out of proportion. 163 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: Slave said things like, look, he doesn't think Tamar's a 164 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: good person. 165 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: She can't forgive and I'm like pot kettle black. 166 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: And then Gretchen admitsed that Tamra's past comments about housewife 167 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: singing is what made her, fourteen seventeen years later bring 168 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: up this song that Tamra sang. 169 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 2: This to me was listed. 170 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: It was sort of like a bad rom pom that 171 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: was canceled by ABC where and not by the FCC. 172 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: But to me, it was sort of like, you two 173 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: are the worst actors that I've ever seen in my 174 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: life because you are not telling the truth, and you 175 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: too are realizing that talking about Tamra is going to 176 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: get you hot water. But what if you think of 177 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: as alexis am I like the only person who believed 178 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 1: that these two were acting in the scene. 179 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 4: I mean, you nailed all of it so well. 180 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 3: Like I could just say, yep, everything he said, so, 181 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: but I do, I'll give this piece of information or whatever. 182 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 3: But I it's like, I feel like the whole that 183 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: Gretchen's digging keeps getting deeper and deeper. She's not crawling 184 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 3: out at all, and her story's never aliging that they 185 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: never make sense because even right after, of course, she 186 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: was naked wasted a second time on season nineteen or 187 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 3: yeah so, but her slippery mouth, she did not even 188 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: remember how the whole thing transpired, but we as viewers 189 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 3: saw the whole thing transpire. And she's trying to say, oh, 190 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 3: the girls brought up the singing or Gretcha brought. 191 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 4: Up the whole thing, and you could tell she could 192 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 4: not wait to. 193 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 3: Give that information and to call Slade and have the information, 194 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: you know, proven by Slade. It backfired. I think they 195 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 3: thought the audience would be like, good job, yay, this 196 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 3: is awesome. Take Tamra down it back by or how 197 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 3: many syllables is that? 198 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 4: Riding fort with it backfired people. 199 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: It backfired like Gretchen's comeback, and which makes me sad 200 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: because I remember when the announcement was made that gretch 201 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: was coming back. I was like, yay, I was so 202 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: happy for it. I'm a Gretchen fan based on her 203 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: earlier days on the show. Tamra was so funny. She 204 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: posted the comeback announcement and say yay, my best friend 205 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: is back, which showed me that Tamra knew, like, Okay, 206 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: I know what it's about to give I listen the 207 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: Sonny and Share Bravo, which is Slade and Gretchen. It's 208 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: just a bad variety show going wrong because they really 209 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: thought the audience wanted to see them take down Tamra 210 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: and listen. I will say this based on what the 211 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: audience was saying about Tampa last season, I at least 212 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: could understand that. I think where they went wrong with 213 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: the Alexis is the fact that the stuff they're bringing 214 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: up is by their own demise. Like they're the ones 215 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: breaking it up. They're the ones who decided to buy 216 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: a pamphlet at office depot and write down all the 217 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: things tamaraked in the past seventeen years that they wanted 218 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: to bring up on the show. And it's just not 219 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: working for me, and it's bad. It's so bad that, hey, Tamra, 220 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: the audience now on social media they're on your side, sister. 221 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I feel like if things would have happened 222 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 3: on this season that showed Tamra was bad and wrong, 223 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: the audience would have been on Gretchran's side and been like, yep, see, 224 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 3: Tamra is a bad one. Is that the fact that 225 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 3: you're pulling things out and wiping cobwebs off of stuff 226 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: that grown women that now have children and children in 227 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 3: college are still doing is like, wake up, Like, don't 228 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 3: you don't need to bring up fourteen years ago. You know, 229 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 3: I get it if if you had an affair, I mean, people, 230 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 3: you don't get over an affair like okay, But this 231 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 3: kind of stuff that's happening is is like it's just 232 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: and you can tell you know, Slade threw himself under 233 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 3: the bus on this one Carlos when they were sitting 234 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 3: on the couch and he said, I am still bitter 235 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 3: about this. You can see bitterness all over Gretchen and Slade, 236 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: sorry to say, and bitterness and unforgiveness and not moving 237 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 3: on destroys you, not the other person. It's not going 238 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: to destroy Tamra. It's eating at Gretchen and Slade, and 239 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 3: unfortunately they can't let go. And that's why it's it's 240 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 3: becoming such a train wreck for them, Like that's the reason. 241 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 4: And it stinks like. 242 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: If they could just I wish that they could have 243 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 3: seen this earlier, so maybe they could even have stopped 244 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 3: halfway through the season and just kind of like let 245 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: it go, because, like you, I think Gretchen would have 246 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 3: been a great addition. 247 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 4: I just think she's she's not she's too costumish, she's 248 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 4: trying too hard. 249 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: She's got a producer that's not you know, he didn't 250 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 3: get credentials to do that, and and so it's all flopping. 251 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 4: Unfortunately. 252 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: It is. 253 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: It is, it is, it is, it really is, and 254 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: it's so it's so unfortunate because Slade is such a 255 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: staple when you think about the legacy of OC just based. 256 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 2: On him dating Laurie Joe, being married to Joe. 257 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 4: He was an idiot from day one though. Everybody called 258 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 4: him slave from day one, and they were right. 259 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: And I didn't even think that at first. I didn't 260 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: believe it at first, but now and then the whole 261 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 3: Michelin thing where he did that with Haamer, I even 262 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 3: forgot about that. And I was so disgusted back then 263 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: when he did that whole act, you know, with and 264 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 3: then points her out and shows the cellulite that us 265 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 3: women do get through carrying your children. Thank you very much, 266 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 3: you know, it's it's life. And by the way, she's 267 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 3: got zero cell you like now. But I'm just sitting 268 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 3: there going. Have you looked in the mirror yet? 269 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 4: Dad? 270 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 3: Bod, Like, why are you complaining about other people when 271 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 3: you ain't got Carlos King's six pack. 272 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 4: It's irritating. Whole thing's irritating. They need to go. They 273 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 4: need to just go, shut their door and pray some more. 274 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 4: Carlo's speechless. 275 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: Before Now you. 276 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 4: Can cut you, Carlos. 277 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 3: You can crack on people, Okay, John Janssen can crack 278 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 3: on people because that man has a washboard tummy. But 279 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: you cannot crack on people and be that mean when. 280 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 4: You I'm just kidding. You know this is all a joke. 281 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 4: You shouldn't crack on anybody. But it's just our Michelin girl. Okay, no. 282 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: Crazy, no honey, I'll be sorry for me. I'll have to. 283 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 3: Go to the confessionals after this and ask my pastor 284 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 3: to forgive me. 285 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: Well, listen, don't forget Tambra has potential from that too. 286 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: So if you guys remember the whole season, this is 287 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get 288 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: back into the show. I do want to get into Listen. 289 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: You and I both love personal story when it comes 290 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: to these reality shows. The thing with Jen and her daughter, 291 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: and obviously you're about to get married yourself, you have children. 292 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: In this scene, Jennifer tells her daughter like, you're my. 293 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: Best friend and I'm marrying my best friend too, and 294 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: how I want you in the wedding, and it just listen. 295 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: I know that Jing is a hard time from the 296 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: audience right now, but I've said this once. 297 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: I said before, I love Jen. I think Jen's a 298 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: great addition to the show. 299 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: I love her her honesty when it comes to what 300 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: she's going through her family, and the fact that she 301 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: was so real saying that she felt like a failure 302 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: because her marriage didn't work, and how her daughter, I'm 303 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: getting chills thinking about it, Alexis seriously, how her daughter 304 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: in the confessional next to her was like, I don't 305 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: see you as a failure though. 306 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: And one thing I will. 307 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: Always say is the way you could tell a parent 308 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: as a good mom or dad is through the eyes 309 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: of their children, because when a girl as that is 310 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: in that teen years honey, they hate everybody. So the 311 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: fact that her daughter was like, Mama, love you, I 312 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: got your back, and you know, I think you're great 313 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: shows everybody that Gent's a great mom. 314 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: But I wanted to. 315 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: Really, I couldn't wait to talk to you about this 316 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: because I felt like you could relate to that scene 317 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: as well, just based on everything you went through and 318 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: everything about to go through with marrying John. 319 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 320 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: I love this episode a couple of the I hated 321 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 3: the episode for some things, but I loved the episode 322 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 3: for some things, which is what the show's supposed to do. 323 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 4: So good job Rob. A run of applause for that. 324 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 3: But I loved the scene with Tammer and her daughter 325 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 3: because you saw. I got tears in my eyes on 326 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 3: that scene because I've gone through that. 327 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 4: You know, my kid went to college. 328 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 3: I'm about to be an empty net Well I'm not 329 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 3: really because now Myles is going to live here for 330 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 3: another four years, but which is good for me. But 331 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 3: I had that feeling of, oh my gosh, I'm almost 332 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 3: an empty nester, which is a really hard feeling when 333 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 3: you're a stay at home mom and you weres hands 334 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 3: on of a mom as I am. But so I 335 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 3: got tears with that scene. And then it went to 336 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 3: Jen Sein or whatever and the scene with her daughter 337 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: got tears again. 338 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 4: And I loved. 339 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 3: Both of those scenes because it showed how great of 340 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 3: both of moms are. 341 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 4: It showed how great both kids are. 342 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 3: And you know, I'm I'm marrying John and the only 343 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 3: people in our wedding party are our children. His children 344 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: are walking him down the aisle and my children are 345 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 3: walking me down. So and we're not really having an 346 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: aisle just so you know. So we're doing a weird you'll. 347 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 4: Find out after. I can't give too much away, but anyways, 348 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 4: the way we're doing. 349 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 3: Doing it, it's okay, here's John and his kids presenting John. 350 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: Here's me and my kids presenting my kids presenting me 351 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 3: kind of thing, you know. And so and they're sitting 352 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 3: separate from everyone else because they're not standing up with us, 353 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 3: but they're you know, we have a whole new whole 354 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 3: division that we're doing. And so I did get teary eyed, 355 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 3: and I thought, you know what they are the kids 356 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 3: are your most important thing in the world, like that is, 357 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 3: and to bring that into a wedding, like Miles's words, 358 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 3: when he first found out John proposed, he was like, oh, 359 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 3: my gosh, I've never been to a wedding. 360 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 4: My first wedding is going to be my mom's wedding. 361 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 3: You know, I just thought that is so cool because 362 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 3: James and Kenna have both gone to other weddings with me, 363 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 3: like you know, other times, but Miles hadn't. So he's 364 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 3: just it's just it's going to be a really special 365 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 3: day and I am so I think that's so special 366 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 3: for Jen. I'm happy for them, and that's beautiful. It 367 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 3: was a beautiful scene. I love that you and I've 368 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 3: been you and I've said it needs to get back 369 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 3: to some of the real and people like to see 370 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 3: a life that they can relate to, not just all 371 00:18:59,400 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: the fighting. 372 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 4: Well, there you go. We got that, Carlos. So you 373 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 4: and I went to bed happy last night, didn't we? 374 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: We did? We did? 375 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: No, Listen, it was well, I was unhappy for the reasons, 376 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: but no, I went to be happy. 377 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: I don't. 378 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: Let's stay in the positive moment for one second. 379 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: Carlos, Okay, little look as I as I like says everything, Well, 380 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: stay in the positive for this moment. 381 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 2: It was I just listen. My heart goes out to 382 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: Gin her, her daughter. 383 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: Words and the emotions and because the thing is this, 384 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: I can't imagine what you women have to go through 385 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: when you are and listen. I was raised by both 386 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: parents in the household I know that's rare, and. 387 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 2: I'm a lucky guy for that. 388 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine as a woman, a wife and a 389 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: mom who decides to, you know, get remarried and what 390 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: that means for your children. Because when it comes to kids, 391 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: I always say this, Every child's first love is their mother. 392 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: It's literally because it's literally if you guys think about it, 393 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: It's the first person you meet when you're brought to 394 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: the world. 395 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 3: Well, and it's the first voice you hear because you're 396 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 3: in your mom's tummy. So and I know, doctor say, 397 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 3: the kids hear it, and they can hear you and 398 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 3: they feel you. 399 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 4: So you are a part of your mom. I know 400 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 4: you're a part of the dad too. 401 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 3: But women are lucky because we get that, We get 402 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 3: that gift to be able to carry a baby and 403 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 3: have that bond. 404 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 4: So moms are the first love for sure. 405 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: Yes, and moms listen, I will I will go down 406 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, saying this in terms of like go down 407 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: the road and really stand up for women when I 408 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: say this, this world cannot operate without women, and most importantly, 409 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: this world cannot operate without good mothers. And shout out 410 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: to you Alexis Bilino for all this stuff you have 411 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: to endure to be in this one book place you're 412 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: at right now. I'm so happy for you, and I'm 413 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: happy that Jen decided to say, look, this wasn't working 414 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: out for me. 415 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to do what's best for me. Because at 416 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 2: the end of the. 417 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: Day, at the end of the day, kids are happier 418 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: when their mother is happiest, the happiest so. 419 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 3: And it's and you need to put your kids in 420 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 3: an environment that teaches them healthy relationships because if they 421 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 3: see a relationship where a man or a woman is 422 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 3: not treating the other one appropriately, you don't want that 423 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,239 Speaker 3: becoming a part of their who they are. And they 424 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 3: think that's okay in the world to do that. So 425 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 3: it's good to get out. It's good to find a 426 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 3: healthy relationship. And my children had you know, I was 427 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 3: worried about that. You know, I was engaged before John, 428 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 3: which I know this is not a shocker to everyone. 429 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 3: I mean people knew this, but and we never planned 430 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 3: a date or never set a date or anything. 431 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 4: But then when I. 432 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 3: Met John and we got engaged and we put a 433 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 3: date on the books, I did have the sit down 434 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 3: with my kids and I. 435 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 4: Said, what do you feel do you approve of him? 436 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 4: Number one? Do are you okay with this? And what 437 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 4: if I changed my last name? 438 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 3: Like I had all the hard talks, right and you know, 439 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 3: I think if I would have been with someone that 440 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 3: they didn't like or they saw was not good for me, 441 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 3: they would have told me because they said, Mom, he's 442 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 3: the best thing that's ever happened to you. 443 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 4: He was, he was meant for you. 444 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 3: We want, we are we we completely are on board 445 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 3: and happy for you guys. And yes, we're excited to 446 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 3: have him be our stepdad. That is the words Mom 447 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 3: needs to hear, because that's like that really, you know. 448 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 3: And John had the same talk with his kids, so 449 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 3: you know, it's really important because you are marrying the 450 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 3: entire family, you know. But jin's the good part about 451 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,239 Speaker 3: gen is the kids are already living with him and 452 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 3: with Ryan and hersh So that's good because they've already 453 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 3: tested the waters. 454 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 4: They already know that it works. So and the kids 455 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 4: seem happy. 456 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: You know. 457 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 4: It doesn't take away the. 458 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 3: Fact that when you're marrying someone new, like her daughter, 459 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 3: when you saw her every like get emotional about it. 460 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: It doesn't take away the fact that you know they 461 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 3: are coming from a broken family, so now they are going. 462 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 4: To have a step dad. It's not easy to have 463 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 4: a broken family. 464 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I can't imagine. I can't imagine. 465 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: And like you said, these scenes are relatable and we 466 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: want to see more of that. So shout out to 467 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: the producers for making sure we got a chance to 468 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: see that. Now it's all about the mess girl because 469 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: everything with Downhill's sister. So Gretch had decided to have 470 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: an event and she wanted to prank some people. 471 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: Now, Alexis, I don't know about you. 472 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: That prank scared the shit out of me and I 473 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: would have punched somebody in their face. So rain drops, 474 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: Gretch had decided to prank the arrivals. In one car, 475 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: we had Gina and Tam run. The other car it 476 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: was Shannon and Jen. This guy walks up to the 477 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: car demanding money. They say, don't have any cash, and 478 00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: then he. 479 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 2: Got breast. 480 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: Listen, I'm a black man from the Troy Bush Kid. 481 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: I won't have knocked him out. You can't pull this 482 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: shit on everybody. 483 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 2: I listen. 484 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: On one hand, it was hilarious, but I gotta be 485 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: honest with you, Alexis On the other hand, I'm like, 486 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: this cannot work in Atlanta, Alata housewise. Let me tell 487 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: you some I think the state of Georgia is a 488 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,479 Speaker 1: gun carrying state. Somebody got shot the same girlfriend. 489 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 4: I would have freaked. I I would have crapped my pants. 490 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 3: I would have I don't know, Like that was the 491 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 3: scariest thing ever. And I like you, Carlos, I don't 492 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 3: know if I would have frozen up like Shannon. I 493 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 3: don't know if that would be my because you don't 494 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 3: know until you're in the situation. No, I don't know 495 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 3: if I would have frozen up, or if I would 496 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 3: have jumped on the driver's lap and driven the car. 497 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 4: Off myself, Like I would have been, like, I don't care. 498 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 3: How tight this wheel is, I am squeezing in and 499 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 3: we are off, babe, Like I I don't know what 500 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 3: I would have done so and or hit him, like 501 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 3: you could have just like dunked him in the eyes, 502 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 3: you know, like done one of those fast moves that 503 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 3: people teach you, or try to hit his throat, but 504 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 3: then what if you grab your arm and then. 505 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 4: You're stuck with ugh. 506 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 3: The whole thing was just like I was like, if 507 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 3: that were me, I would have walked in just like 508 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 3: the other girls and been like, Okay, I hate you 509 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 3: for this right now. 510 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: Oh no, Or I'd have been like Tamra, like I'm 511 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: gonna see because I had a heart attack. But if 512 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: I suggretch it, I'm getting grocery bags and a face 513 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: to app subscription, which. 514 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 4: I'd like, come up with this stuff. 515 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 2: I was. I know, I got admit that was that 516 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: was that was pretty funny. But I'm like you, I 517 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 2: just listen. 518 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: What was so funny to me is the fact that Shannon, 519 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: to me always sort of goes from zero to one 520 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: hundred if you say the wrong thing. 521 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: And we'll get to that. 522 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: I thought it was so hilarious that in this particular 523 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: situation where you have every right to go from zero 524 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 1: to one hundred, she went from zero too. 525 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, she went from zero to negative too. 526 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 4: She was like she was like even more energen jan 527 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden she's like, okay, what 528 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 4: are you doing? And I don't have any cash? Like 529 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 4: like she didn't exactly opposite. 530 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, girlfriend, this is where you really cut somebody out. 531 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: But that's what's gonna happen to you until you're in 532 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: that moment. 533 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: So, speaking of which, Shannah decided to tell the ladies 534 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: about what happened in the previous episode where she. 535 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 2: Brought up what she was going through. 536 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: And how she said that Tama pretty much called her 537 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: father an alcoholic. I love the fact that Gina's like, now, look, 538 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: Tampa did not actually say that. She said, did your 539 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: father have a problem or history with alcohol? 540 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 2: Which Shannah's like, pretty much the same thing. 541 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: And she also said, like my reaction it would have 542 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: been the same if Emily or Heather would have said it. 543 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: I have to disagree, I think again, And we'll get 544 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 1: to what happened between Tamara and Gretschen. We mentioned this 545 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: last episode, and to me, it's just I think I 546 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: just feel the same way in terms of look, Vicky 547 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: said it to you that in so many words, that 548 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: her and Shannon aren't in the greatest place that they 549 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: used to be because Shannon doesn't really contact people unless 550 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: she needs them, and that's what happened with Shannon and Tamara. 551 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: And I know people are like, oh my god, p Frollows, 552 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: you always have Tamra's back. 553 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 2: I actually just am honest. Shannon just doesn't want. 554 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: To be friends with Tamara, and it was self evident 555 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: in the way she sort of recapped the story and 556 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: put some hot sauce on it by saying that, oh, 557 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: she called my father an alcoholic, which to me is 558 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: vastly different than saying, didn't your father have a history 559 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: of alcohol? I was and I was really pleased that 560 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: Gina corrected her and had her back because I felt like, yes, 561 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: this is what should have happened. 562 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 2: I was happy that somebody did it. What did you 563 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 2: think about that? 564 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 4: Yeah? 565 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 3: And I don't you know, I don't think Tamara had 566 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 3: an old place. And you know, I will call her 567 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 3: out too, and I have to call her sometimes after 568 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 3: these podcasts and say, Okay, this is what just happened. 569 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 4: But you know, I love you and we move on, 570 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 4: you know. 571 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 3: But first of all, I don't I don't think Tamra 572 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 3: wants to be friends with Shannon again. 573 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 4: I think Tamra's trying to do her job. 574 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 3: I think tamer knows if we're on a TV show, 575 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 3: we have to be able to film together, we have 576 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 3: to be able to co exist together, and we can't 577 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 3: carry all these grudges. Doesn't mean I'm gonna call you 578 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 3: it for coffee doesn't mean we're gonna be best buddies again. 579 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 3: But I'm here to do a job, and that's that's 580 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 3: the truth about a reality TV show. You are there 581 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 3: to put entertainment in front of American viewers to get 582 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 3: the ratings to keep the show on the network. 583 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 4: Okay, that's played and simple. That's your job. 584 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 3: So so moving forward from that though, I don't feel 585 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 3: like Tamara had a bad heart at that moment, and 586 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 3: I would have I would not side with her on that, 587 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 3: and I would say, like I told you, I wouldn't 588 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,479 Speaker 3: have said it, or like last episode the last podcast, 589 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 3: I said, I wouldn't said what Tammer said. I feel 590 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 3: the same way here. I wouldn't have said what Tammer 591 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 3: just said. But I don't think she has a bad 592 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 3: place with that. When Gina was right about that, it 593 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 3: was it was just to relate and just to kind 594 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 3: of say, look, Shannon, you're not the only one. 595 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 4: I think Tamra's and I. 596 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 3: Haven't talked to tamer about this, but I think Tammer's 597 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 3: only reason for even saying that was like, look, you're you. 598 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 3: You inherited an issue that your dad had kind of 599 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 3: thing like kind of trying to relate it like, look 600 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 3: at you're not You're not here in this, You're not 601 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 3: alone in this like like and again that backfired on her, 602 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 3: but you know, this show had a lot of backfiring 603 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 3: going on. But yeah, so I don't think her. I 604 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 3: think Gina was right, and I'm glad that someone did 605 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: see another side to that. 606 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 4: For sure. 607 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: I think too. I did too, and now was happy 608 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 2: she's set up for her. 609 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: And as all the girls were congregating to the table 610 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: is when Emily listen. 611 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: Sorry, guys, Emily's doing her job. 612 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: Emily's job was to take the bone that Gretchen gave 613 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: her in last week's episode about this song. 614 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 2: Which is why rain Drops. 615 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: Gretchen knew she fucked up because she knew, oh my gosh, 616 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: this is going to get back to Tamra. I had 617 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: a fireball shot. I don't know exactly what I said. 618 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: I don't remember it. And that's why she pleaded rain 619 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: Drops with Emily and Heather do not bring it up 620 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: to Tamra. 621 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's going to happen. 622 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: Mita, Alexis knew in this episode that it wasn't going 623 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: to happen. 624 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 3: Can I make the most obvious statement. Ever, even if 625 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 3: it didn't get brought up in it's a freaking show, 626 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 3: Tamarra would have seen it today yesterday when it aired. 627 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 3: It was gonna be seen no matter what because there 628 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 3: are cameras there, So it doesn't matter. Even if Heather 629 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 3: and Emily didn't go back and tell Tamra anything, it 630 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 3: was going to come out on now national television. And 631 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 3: it's not like it would have been any better because 632 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 3: the reunion's not filmed yet, so it would have been 633 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 3: brought up there three so all of it. You know, Yeah, 634 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 3: Gretchen was just trying to back puddle and she wanted 635 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 3: to play the innocent victim like I didn't mean to 636 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 3: I was. 637 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 4: It was just supposed to be an all good sleepover fun. 638 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 3: There's nothing fun about that. You're trying to tear someone down. 639 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 3: It's not oh my gosh, let me tell you. When 640 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 3: I was at Lucy's last night, she farted so loud. 641 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 4: It's not like that. 642 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 3: It's like, it's like this girl sang a song and 643 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 3: sounded like crap, and she had an affair with the 644 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 3: famous singer that she was singing with. 645 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 4: Okay, there's nothing innocent about that. 646 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 2: Well, Let's be clear. If it's not Nick Lache, I'm 647 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: not fucking anybody by the age degrees. That's all I have. 648 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 4: To say, Nick, Nick, did you hear that? 649 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 3: In case you wanted to just go the other way, 650 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 3: like a change your you know your sexuality in any level, 651 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 3: you got the. 652 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 2: Pack right here ready for you. 653 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 4: Nick. 654 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 2: Was anybody in sick? 655 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm not in stig ball and see I have at 656 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: least two, but that's another conversation. 657 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 2: But not Jim degrees. 658 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: It's kind of slip picking mache or sort of like 659 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: maybe dabble Jessica Simpson. But what was think for me 660 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: in this whole dietrap is what she said it was. 661 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 2: It was funny to me. 662 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: And this is why I want the rain Jobs to 663 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: really pay attention to the behavior of Gretchen. When Gretchen 664 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: feels like she's in the right, she has this confidence 665 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: because her producer Slade is her hypeman and and and 666 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: she's ready, willing and able to go on the attack. 667 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: I thought it was very interesting that in this particular setting, 668 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: it's what Alexis called out. She's docile, she's a step 669 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: for why she's so calm, She's like, you know, not 670 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: trying to like even address it tam or Judge love her, 671 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: hate her, and this is not be being biased. This 672 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: is why she is the longest running housewife of all 673 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: time because the fact alexis when Tamar brought it up, 674 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: got up out of her seat to sit across from 675 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: her opponent. That's the type of shit I want to 676 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: see from Tamra Judge face to faith with Gretchen. Gretchen 677 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: did not realize that this was going to be the 678 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:32,959 Speaker 1: Tamra show, and Tamra let her ass hait during these 679 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: conversations Gretchen's life would do you you don't want me 680 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: to go there? Because I can go there. Tama's like, 681 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: I'm begging you to go there. Say it, Say whatever 682 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: it is you want to say. And even the confessional, which, 683 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: by the way, producer, you were not right for asking 684 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: this question. You got it wrong when you ask Gretchen, 685 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: what does Tama not want you to say? No, Tama's 686 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: actually begging her to say it. She wants her to 687 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: say it, like what say, please tell me, Oh, you 688 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: don't want me to go there? No discrettion, No. 689 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 4: Discrettion, didn't say a word right. 690 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 3: And do you notice how she's wanted to throw everything 691 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 3: out about Tamra all along on the show, and you 692 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 3: could see it in Gretchen's eyes. Her eyes turned, her 693 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 3: eyes turn evil or she gets like this like frown 694 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 3: like when she's ready to she's so excited to unleash 695 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 3: something on tamor I watched it. I watched the episode, 696 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 3: and I watched her eyes change. 697 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 4: And so she goes from this innocent Stepford wife to 698 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, she sat there and she's like, well, crap, 699 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 4: I don't really have anything, So what am I gonna do? 700 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 4: Next question? So she goes next question? 701 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 3: She doesn't have anything on Tamorra or don't she would 702 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 3: be wheeling out that that that rolladex of stuff and 703 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 3: say hey, okay, well We've got this and then I've 704 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 3: got this and then I've got this. 705 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 4: It all be out there. There was nothing, There's nothing. 706 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 3: She froze because she knows she doesn't have anything else 707 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 3: to say on Tamorra and if she wants to say 708 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, tam will prove you wrong. 709 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, no, it was. It was. 710 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: It was great because the thing is this when Tamara said, no, fact, 711 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,439 Speaker 1: you were fucking another guy. While you were dating your 712 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: ex and you kissed him at the hotel. I saw it, 713 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: and and you're you're not even ready enough to like 714 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: admit to that, like tamer came with her receipts, and 715 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: even still, Gretchen, who had every right at that point 716 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 1: to literally put everything on the table, literally on the table, 717 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: to say what she had to say, she neglected to 718 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: do so. So Rain Joss, when that happens, I've been 719 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: producing for twenty years. When that happens, alexis right, it 720 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: means that Gretchen had nothing. Because my thing is this, 721 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: if you're alleging I'm sucking gout, dick, shout out to 722 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: Lisa Marlow. If you're alleging that I'm in the studio 723 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: either sucking or fucking and and. 724 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 2: You're and you're letting the. 725 00:35:55,120 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: World know that at that point, say anything, because to me, 726 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't get worse than a legend had an affair 727 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: with a ninety eight degrees member who is not Nickolasche. 728 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 3: One hundred percent, if there was anything more, she would 729 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 3: have done it right then, because she does. It's the 730 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 3: tear down Tamera train. I told you that that's what 731 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 3: the season is for. Diretchen Enslade. I think Slade has 732 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 3: more hate for Gretchen than for Tamera than Gretchen even has, 733 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 3: if that's possible. But yeah, it's the teardown Tamera train 734 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 3: and it's backfiring, and I wish Gretchen would bring it out, 735 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 3: put it out on Instagram, put it out somewhere, give 736 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 3: it to a tabloid. Let's hear all this dirt you've 737 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 3: got on Tamra, Tammy, Sue ain't scared and Gretchen. 738 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 1: This is for Gretchen and Rossi. So Ray John, let 739 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: her know we're saying this. Alexens, Butlina and I are 740 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: inviting you to come on Reality with the King and 741 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 1: you can tell us the things. 742 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: You know, because we are fair balance journalist. So listen, 743 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 2: better offer her, We. 744 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 3: Better offer her some kind of compensation. She would never 745 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 3: come on for three from so we got to give 746 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 3: her something. 747 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 2: Binding you are. 748 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: Can you imagine Carlos King and Alexis Alino interviewing Gretcha Rossi, Oh. 749 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 3: Honey, she she she would not come on if. 750 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: She was. 751 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:24,919 Speaker 2: Well. 752 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: Listen the offers out there, because I want to see 753 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: I want. 754 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 2: To see Alexis do an interview this would this would make. 755 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 4: Oh, I would tear her apart, Honey, I will. 756 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 3: I would eat that girl alive and then and then 757 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 3: put a cherry on top of her next costume. 758 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 4: I got Jesus on my side, baby for real. 759 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? And John, Okay, so you're absolutely right. First of all, 760 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 2: I think about this. You're right. 761 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: I do believe Slade hates Tamra woman Gretchen, and I'm 762 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 1: about further. I don't think Gretchen hates Hamra. Something that 763 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 1: maybe honest, something you said gave me aha moment when 764 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: Slade said, out of his own mouth, I'm still. 765 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 3: Bitter, and you could see it in his eyes, Carlos, 766 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 3: you could tell see I watched people's eyes. 767 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 4: You could see it on him. 768 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 3: He got he had this rage, like he got this 769 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 3: rage behind him, and then he tried to act like 770 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 3: I'm trying to be a better person. They're put on 771 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 3: this whole correct Christian thing that I'm trying to be 772 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 3: a better person. But then you could see his anger 773 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,320 Speaker 3: about things that happened twelve years ago. 774 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 4: You're right, it's he's he said those words. 775 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 3: That's why I told you he threw himself under the 776 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 3: what is it called threw him under itself, under the 777 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 3: bus or whatever it was. 778 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 1: The Yeah, so let let's continue with Alexis Blino's method 779 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: of thoughts. We saw in the eyes that Slade when 780 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: he said I'm still bitter. It was honestly the most 781 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 1: factual thing he said to me this season. If you 782 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: go back to how Gretchen was at the top of 783 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,240 Speaker 1: the season, when Gretchen and Tama were in New Orleans 784 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: and they had that nice moment at the park where 785 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: she said, I never said that thing. 786 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 2: Kat's a liar and she cried. That was a very 787 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 2: different Gretchen. 788 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: And then moments later when she's back at her hotel 789 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: after speaking to Slade, a different Gretchen showed up, who 790 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: was still mad at Tamra. I am now on Alexis side. 791 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: It all just hit me. Gretchen doesn't hate Tamara. Slade does. 792 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 3: And because you're the one that called out that Slade 793 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 3: is her producer and you called that out, three podcasts 794 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 3: to go. So there you go, Carlos, we put on 795 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 3: our detective cat on this. We got NBC date line 796 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 3: going right now. 797 00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: There you go, fuck TMZ, we got ka okay, so 798 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: you're this is good Gretchen is a pawn in the 799 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: beat that Slade still has with Tamra. And that's why 800 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: Gretchen felt so bad about the song thing, because she's realizing, 801 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 1: I'm being forced to bring this up because my man 802 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,760 Speaker 1: wants me to take down Tamra. 803 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 4: This is all brilliant. This is brilliant. 804 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 2: Rain Joffs. 805 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 1: You heard it here first. And that's the reason why, 806 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: like Alexis points it out, when Tamra said, say everything 807 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: you have on me, say it now, Gretchen had nothing 808 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 1: because she didn't get more info from Slade. 809 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 3: Yep, she needs she needs more. Mike, Mike drop again. Okay, 810 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 3: good job, Carlos, You're right, she needs more. And so 811 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 3: now who knows what's gonna happen because next episode, maybe 812 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 3: something more is gonna happen and we'll find out more 813 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 3: lies that the Slade thinks he knows about Tamara. 814 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 4: But you know, I. 815 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 3: Think Tara was so confident in that moment when she said, 816 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:04,839 Speaker 3: bring it all. 817 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:05,760 Speaker 4: I'm an open book. 818 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,800 Speaker 3: I'm an open book, bring it all. That is someone 819 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 3: who's saying, I'm not scared. There's nothing no matter what 820 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 3: you've said. She's she's done everything on. 821 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 4: Dash and television. She's she's Tamra has she's she's ruined 822 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 4: her reputation and she's built it back up than the 823 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 4: next season she's hated, the next season she's liked. Doesn't matter. 824 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,320 Speaker 4: She makes good TV if she doesn't have anything to hide. 825 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 3: So yeah, I would love to hear more of these 826 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 3: rumors or whatever, any of the stuff Slade has in 827 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 3: his ruleodex on Tamra. And you're right, he didn't have 828 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 3: enough time to tell Gretchen and give her anything, but 829 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 3: he did before the next confessional though. 830 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 4: That's the thing. He had plenty of time. So Carlos, 831 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 4: there is nothing else on Tamorra because he had plenty 832 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 4: of time to coach Gretchen Moore and give her more 833 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 4: stuff to say about Camra by the time Gretchen went 834 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 4: back in for that next confessional and that question got 835 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 4: asked and she had nothing to say. 836 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,720 Speaker 1: No, because they you was all of their arsenal already. 837 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: It was the allegation that she was ruffie, that Gretchen 838 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: was ruffie. That was that was the biggest bond that 839 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,800 Speaker 1: they had. And number two, it was this song and 840 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: the fact that they have a tape of her being 841 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: intimate with the guy in the studio. 842 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,439 Speaker 2: That's all they got. That that's all they had. 843 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: And again, those are two very serious allegations. So they 844 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: played their hands very early in the season, and there's 845 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:28,760 Speaker 1: nothing more. 846 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,839 Speaker 2: To talk about. I think that. 847 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: Girlfriend, don't play the game if you just don't know 848 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: how to win, and that's what's happening. So listen, I'm 849 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: with Tamra leaving. I was with her leaving again because 850 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: it's sort of like, if I'm Tamra and this woman 851 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 1: is using her comeback to accuse me of the most dangerous, 852 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: gamous things, I would have had enough to like. I 853 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,399 Speaker 1: just there's nothing more I can stomach because it's sort 854 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 1: of like her comeback is strictly to embarrass me and 855 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: to make up stuff. If she's talking about things I've done, 856 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 1: let's talk about it. Like Alex said this season, if 857 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: I did anything this season. 858 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,800 Speaker 2: To you, let's go to town. 859 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: Tamra just did nothing to Gretchen this season, and if 860 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 1: you guys are watching the same show, you would see that. 861 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 3: And Gina made the point she goes Gretchen. I was 862 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 3: with tamer didn't mention your name one time on the 863 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 3: entire Girl's Weekend that I had with Tamra, So why 864 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,439 Speaker 3: are you talking about Tamara on your Girl's Night, Like 865 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 3: like Gina is the one that made that point. 866 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 4: And I told you that too. 867 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 3: I said, if you note last podcast we did, I said, 868 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 3: if you notice Tamra's not bringing Gretchen's name up, it's 869 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,399 Speaker 3: literally Gretchen just can't keep Tamra's name out of her mouth. 870 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 4: So and I didn't believe. I'm gonna tell you something. 871 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 4: I didn't believe Tamar. 872 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 3: When she said when she found Gretchen was coming back, 873 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 3: she was like, she's literally. 874 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 4: Gonna keep doing what she's been doing to me for 875 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 4: twelve years. And I said, what do you mean? 876 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 3: And she goes, She's just gonna keep trying to bring 877 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 3: up lies. I said, Tarma, you just take them, just 878 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,919 Speaker 3: take it. You know it's not they're not gonna stick, 879 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 3: They're whatever. But I didn't believe when Tama said that. 880 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,800 Speaker 3: I'm like, Gretchen's not gonna do that. She's not that stupid, 881 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 3: you know, like she's gonna come out and try to 882 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 3: want it, especially if what happened to me last season, 883 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 3: it looked like I wanted to tear Shannon down. 884 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 4: And I didn't want to. It's like, learn from what 885 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 4: I have had happened. You know. 886 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 3: I wish I think she should have taken that playbook 887 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 3: and learned from it. But you know, I didn't believe Tamara. 888 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 3: And then now as I'm watching each episode unfold, I'm 889 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 3: just like, gosh, Tama was so right, you know, and 890 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 3: I can tell Tamara. 891 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 4: SOID she's not gonna do that. She's not gonna do that, Tamara. 892 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,359 Speaker 4: Just go in and do your show, do your thing. 893 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:35,879 Speaker 4: You're you're good at it, you know what you're doing. 894 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 4: And she was. Tama was right. 895 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 2: Tama was right. 896 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,319 Speaker 1: Hey, listen, there's nothing left to say after that. So 897 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: rain Drops, let us know who sigh you're on? Let 898 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: us know the comments, okay. 899 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, for next podcast, so we can tell, oh, I 900 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,399 Speaker 4: won't see you next week. 901 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 2: And I know, I know, I know, I know. I 902 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,320 Speaker 2: know you're busy. You're busy, busy. However, however, however, however, however, 903 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 2: I do want to know that. 904 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 3: I want to know this poll though, So you have 905 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,880 Speaker 3: the Raindrops, leave that pole. I want to know who 906 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,760 Speaker 3: signed there on that's a good one, will. 907 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: I will leave the poll for you, So, rain Jobs, 908 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: who's startling you on camera or Gretchen let me know 909 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 1: the comments on Spotify from Apple, in addition to Twitter 910 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,919 Speaker 1: and hashtag Reality with the King alections Melino, I love you, 911 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 1: I'll see you in two weeks, have a great couple 912 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 1: of weeks, and I love you. 913 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:29,759 Speaker 4: I love you too. 914 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: Bye. 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