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Speaker 1: Hello listeners, this is Sam with a quick little announcement.

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Speaker 1: This is not the episode, this is the announcement before

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Speaker 1: the episode. I just want to let you know that

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Speaker 1: we are doing a Stradio lab live show in New

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Speaker 1: York City at city winery on Saturday September. Tickets are

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Speaker 1: on sale now and we would love to see you there.

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Speaker 1: We'll have special guests, segments. Oh Baby, you're gonna love it. So,

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Speaker 1: Saturday September at city winery, Stradio lab live. Hope to

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Speaker 1: see you there. Okay, enjoy the episode. XO XO. By

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Speaker 1: welcome to Stradio lab, and intellectual podcast about straight culture

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Speaker 1: and also a stupid podcast about nothing. Don't say that,

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Speaker 1: it's just true. I don't want to line to our listeners.

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Speaker 1: I'm George severe and I'm Sam Taggart and this is

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Speaker 1: stradio lab. Podcast starts. Podcast starts now. Wow, and just

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Speaker 1: like that you're listening to a podcast. Did you ever

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Speaker 1: think it was possible? Hi, I have never been more relaxed.

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Speaker 1: Is that true? No, Oh, I've actually so stressed. What

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Speaker 1: do you because we have to address the elephant in

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Speaker 1: the room, our big trip. You and I are leaving

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Speaker 1: for a trip in mirror hours. Yeah, actually, as soon

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Speaker 1: as this is over, the trip begins. As soon as

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Speaker 1: this is over. I'm looking at the clock and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I know that I have to be packed in an

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Speaker 1: hour and a half. Guess who hasn't started packing? Oh

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Speaker 1: my God, and this is gonna be one of those

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Speaker 1: personal episodes because, see, Misha, you have already packed. I've

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Speaker 1: like well, Misha, we have to wait for them to leave.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not trying to judge George's lifestyle,

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Speaker 1: but he will need to pack after we record. Well,

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Speaker 1: so here's the thing. There is literally no way I

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Speaker 1: kind of the Nitty Gritty, they are picking me up

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Speaker 1: at a specific time. The rest of our group is

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Speaker 1: coming here this time and I have to outside by

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Speaker 1: then and there's no way for me to not be there. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but that's where I thrive, is having that twenty five

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Speaker 1: of time. You better believe it's an episode of friends.

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Speaker 1: If I, and in fact, sometimes in my mind. I

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Speaker 1: be like, this is a part where they would introduce

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Speaker 1: the B plot. I'm still at intro to the B

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Speaker 1: plot in terms of this episode of friends, during which

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Speaker 1: I have to pack and get ready for this trip. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna do such a great job. A

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Speaker 1: little tip for anyone out there who who needs, who

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Speaker 1: kind of like needs motivation, who needs coping mechanisms? To me,

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Speaker 1: procrastinations out something you fix. It's something you cope with.

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Speaker 1: I was born this way, baby, no matter gay, straight

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Speaker 1: or by Yeah, you're on the right track. I got

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Speaker 1: a bigger bag recently. Is this juicy? I had a

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Speaker 1: bigger duffle bag. This is everyone is juicy. Jumping in

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Speaker 1: Now I throw everything into my big bag. But here's

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Speaker 1: larger is more convenient rather than actually less. George. My

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Speaker 1: That means I need a Duffel for every trip I

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Speaker 1: all too, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, a larger duffel bag.

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Speaker 1: That question over. Hitting an elderly woman in the heave

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Speaker 1: Ho when you he ho it into that, she says

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. No, I can handle this douffle bag

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Speaker 1: known as Duffel Shoulder. But when one's good, when one's bad,

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Speaker 1: interesting that you say your fantasy as being a college

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Speaker 1: to me at least, that the fantasy is being a

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Speaker 1: stuffed animal that you're taking with you. begrudgingly. Sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: around you where it's like this celebrity, he has everything

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Speaker 1: and yet he's carrying an oversized duffle right, stars are

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Speaker 1: just like us. You're trying to create that sort of vulnerability, relatability,

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Speaker 1: something that says, let me follow him on Tiktok exactly. Yeah, wait,

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Speaker 1: this not being juicy. In fact, we've squeezed a lot

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Speaker 1: But but SAM, standards are so high when it comes

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Speaker 1: If you're running into pals, then you might as well

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget this part. When George made that choice,

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Speaker 1: right in. I said no, I will not allow talk

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Speaker 1: There's no reason to do introductions and it is, I

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Speaker 1: That's a good sign. I also want to say I

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Speaker 1: to podcasts about women being betrayed. And you know that

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Speaker 1: to speak and put something in a box, but if

421
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: I choose Naomi's method or if I choose George's method,

422
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: I'm I'm choosing a side and I don't know if

423
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: I'm ready to do that. Naomi, I have a question

424
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: for you. Are you currently in front of a ring light? No,

425
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm not. You look truly photoshopped. Thank you so much.

426
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: Would you. Would you not agree? Sam, I fully agree.

427
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 1: I was like, she's going to say yes. Yeah, and

428
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: actually then I was worried that I would, like, be

429
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: calling you out if you said yes, which I celebrate.

430
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: If you are in front of a ring light, I

431
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: celebrate that. Well, if I was, you would have seen

432
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: the little ring in my glass. You know what I mean,

433
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: there's no way to fight it, there's no way to

434
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: like not being show that you're in a ring light

435
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: with the glasses on. So I was like, no, I'm

436
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: very honored that you think so. This is just a

437
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: little bit of natural light from a side of the apartment. First,

438
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: because of course you are three hours behind and you know,

439
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: the kind of evening scaries have not got up to you.

440
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: You're still you're still glowing. Cut to three or three

441
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: hours from now. Yeah, honey, honey, at seven pm it

442
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:16,719
Speaker 1: gets worse. Um, learning from the future. Yeah, warning, no, Naomian,

443
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: cherish it, cherish it, is all I can say. I

444
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: remember four PM. At four PM I was feeling so excited.

445
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: I got an email that it had like a little

446
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: bit of work that was like easy, so I would

447
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: feel like I was getting stuff done. I obviously didn't

448
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: get it done. That's what I learned at seven PM

449
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: is that I was not able to get that done,

450
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: but at four pm it felt like I could. At

451
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: Four PM, actually, that really is when the day turned

452
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: for me, because I got a text from my mom

453
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: saying she wanted me to mail something internationally in a

454
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: way for it to arrive on Monday. Just ready. When

455
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: keeping track at home, it is currently Thursday. It's currently

456
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: Thursday and she wanted to. I'm sorry, what what she

457
00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: and if I can just say get her. No, I

458
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: would not reimbursed for what I pay for this, for

459
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: this envelope that I ended up paying one score, by

460
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: the way, is a bull set of Dalmatians for her. Wait,

461
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: it's okay now, but are you doing this? Are you

462
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: sending this to her or on her behalf? Okay, so

463
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: she needed it. She was like get it to me. No,

464
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm sending it to her. I mean, it's a long,

465
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: long story. A big part of my parents living abroad

466
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: is that a lot of things get sent to me

467
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: because they're like, you know, work, because they're like American things,

468
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: and then I have to be kind of, you know,

469
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: the Butler. Wow, wow, but she needs it Monday. That

470
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: she needs it Monday. Of course. No, no explanation as

471
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: to why she needed it Monday doesn't seem that important

472
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: to me. And, to be honest, she's your mother. Okay,

473
00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: that's that's very I relate to my point. Four PM

474
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: was when that it was like, oh now I'm a man, Yep, Yep,

475
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: you're a dad, you were in charge of that moment.

476
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: You have to get stuff done. So I wonder what

477
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: that will be for you. Not Not to stress you out,

478
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: but at some point in the next half hour, the

479
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: equivalent of my mom asking me for something will happen.

480
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: Right something's gonna Change, something's gonna Change for me, and

481
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: I need to just steal myself. It could literally be

482
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: this podcast, like when this podcast like when this podcast ends.

483
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: You could be like, I started this podcast at four

484
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: and it's over at five thirty. Now my day is

485
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: ruined because I didn't send that an email and everyone's

486
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: out of office already. You know what, let's take advantage, though,

487
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: of this time when Naomi looks like she's in front

488
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: of her ring, like she still has light behind her eyes.

489
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: She has no idea what's coming. I mean it's like

490
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: this is the kind of the before sunrise. What's the

491
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: first of them? Before movies? The before the one where

492
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: they're young, sunset, before sunset. We're talking Julie DELP is

493
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: that another Richard Link later? Yes, wow, the link later hours.

494
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 1: I didn't even plan it. Okay, NA I mean we're

495
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: gonna just go ahead and do our first segment. Okay,

496
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: because we have to. We have to of this youthful energy.

497
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: Our first segment is called straight shooters, and in this

498
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: segment we ask you a series of rapid fire, nonsensical

499
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: questions where you have to choose one thing or another

500
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: thing in order to gauge your familiarity with, and complicity in,

501
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: straight culture, the one rule being you are not allowed

502
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: to ask any follow up questions about how the game works. Okay, okay.

503
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: Do you have to explain my answer? No, I just

504
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: say I hear a question coming. Correct, correct, your correct. Continue, Sam,

505
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: take it away. Okay, Naomi, Doug funny or young money,

506
00:27:52,320 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: Doug Funny, Julia Fox or Amanda Knox, Amanda, not wow,

507
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: a touchdown, a rubdown or a throwdown, a touchdown, serving

508
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: looks up and down New York City, or serving your

509
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: husband divorce papers after you caught his cheating ass with nanny.

510
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: Serving your husband divorce papers. Call me by your name

511
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: or call me mother. Call me mother. Joe Biden's facelift

512
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: or Elon Musk's hair transplant. Elon Musk's hair transplant, being

513
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: in your bag, being out of the box or being

514
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: off your rocker. In out of the box. Was that

515
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: the communist manifesto by Carl Marx, or the Linguini with

516
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: Pesto and a picture of marks. The linguini with Pesto

517
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: in a picture of mark. Okay, she's going fusion and

518
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: I thought that. I thought maybe that would turn you

519
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: off because it's Italian and Mexican, but you don't mind,

520
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: not at all. Delicious. Wow. Wow, I'll say it. I

521
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: think that might have been a perfect score, a thousand

522
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: out of a thousand doves. Yeah, I think that was

523
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: a thousand doves. I would have to argue the same. Yeah,

524
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: and which happens occasionally, I would say, you know, maybe

525
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: once every few episodes. But the and you know, obviously,

526
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: you know you had a running start, having already been

527
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: on the Pod, but there was a confidence there, there

528
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: was a whimsy there, and there was also an appreciation

529
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: for the unexpected. There was an honest it was giving

530
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: Miranda July. Oh my God, that is truly the highest honor.

531
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: Talk about, mannic Pixie. That's that's a new binder. Are

532
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: you a Miranda? Are you a July? Which one are

533
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: you in any given moment? Wow, wait, I also have

534
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: to bring up one ing. That's a little just a

535
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: peek behind the curtain for George, George, to bring up

536
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: marks in this podcast the way that you are obsessed

537
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: with Margarita's, I am loving I actually think it's so

538
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: wholesome and sweet and makes me laugh so much. Okay,

539
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: so here's what happened. Is last time, so my boyfriend

540
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: had someone over that is an he's like in his

541
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: seventies and is someone that you know, Matthew works with

542
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 1: and is like someone who's kind of an authority figure Um,

543
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: and this was in a kind of vacation environment, and

544
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: so I volunteered to make a picture of marks for

545
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: him and his wife and they were such a hit

546
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: that I now think I that that I am like

547
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: when you know we're going on this vacation, I told Sam,

548
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: in the list of things I'm gonna make, I said

549
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna make a picture of mark's. So don't worry,

550
00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: I have the lines. But even when you pitched the trip,

551
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: you were like, I'm fantasizing about sitting by the pool

552
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: with marks. And then like even I think there was

553
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: a time, like a week ago, you were like and

554
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna I want to Oh, it was when we

555
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: were talking to John Early you were like, Oh, I

556
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: want to make marks, and then the text was like,

557
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: and I'm making marks, and I'm like, I love that

558
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: you are. You were like making your needs known and such.

559
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: You're like this is not a passing wand, this is

560
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: what this trip, the brand of the trip, the logo

561
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: the trip, is marks. Also, I just like that you're

562
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: committing to only saying marks. You know what I mean.

563
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: That's how serious you are. Not The full word marks.

564
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. There's something about a picture

565
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: of marks. It just has such a nice ring to it.

566
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: And listen, was I thinking today about whether or not

567
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: I would also infuse the Tequila with Hallapenos? Yes, wow.

568
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: was I then thinking maybe I'll make one spicy batch

569
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: one non spicy batch so that everyone can be happy?

570
00:31:53,720 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: Obviously I was. Wow, this is amazing. If I don't

571
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: see an instagram story about a barred with the picture

572
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: of a picture, I'll be livid. I'll be in our

573
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: jockstraps drinking mark and it's gonna be called straight vacation. Yeah, we'll.

574
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: I'll be frowning too. Straight National Lampoon, straight VACA. Do

575
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: you know what else said? And and and this is

576
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: the last thing I'll say we are making a fresh

577
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: direct order that is going to the house where we're

578
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: staying tomorrow, and you better believe I put Guacamo ingredients

579
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: in there to go along with the marks. Oh my God,

580
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm packing a bag, a bag, I'm showing up the house.

581
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: So what I'll say is like, yes, in my packing

582
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: I'm boy, in my planning I'm Daddy. Yeah, no, that's

583
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: huge actually, and that is kind of another level and

584
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: I to be honest, I'm surprised and impressed. Thank you. Wow,

585
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: you guys. Wow, we are each other. You complete each other.

586
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: I think it's like beautiful to watch. I do think

587
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: we do, and it is the biggest blessing of my life.

588
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: I do want to get to your topic. Yeah, actually, sure.

589
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: So I felt like you know something that you know. Again,

590
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: you guys have covered so much. You know, it's such

591
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: a cultural, historical, societal deep dive. I said, what's left?

592
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: What's next? And something's just been really getting to me.

593
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: You know, I just want to talk about teenagers. I

594
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: think teens, teenagers, teens. There's nothing straighter. I don't care

595
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: what euphorias says, I don't care what they're trying to

596
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: do okay, these teens are being forced to be straight,

597
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: to act straight, to give us, to serve CIS. It's

598
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: like a lot. It's too much. Don't you find teens

599
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: to be aggressively performing? They're performing and warming and then

600
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,959
Speaker 1: they're trying to know, they're norming morning and we're mourning exactly.

601
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: The older we get, the more we're mourning when we

602
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: see a teen. Exactly. I think dragging euphoria into this

603
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: is a really interesting angle, because I do think the

604
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: media wants us to believe that teens now are all queer,

605
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, I've been to Michigan, like, I've

606
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: seen a team and they are still in like a

607
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: basketball tournament t shirt and like like being like throwing

608
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: dirt at a girl that they want to have sex

609
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: with or something. Throwing dirt. That's what they're doing. They're

610
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: throwing dirt a girl. Classic, Classic Teen Behavior. You also

611
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: cannot like the one. No matter how queer everyone is,

612
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: you simply cannot get past how what teenagers look like.

613
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: You'RE gonna look awkward, you're gonna there are gonna be

614
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: height differences, you're gonna have acne, you're gonna like, not

615
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: have figured out your sense of style. Yet like, yes,

616
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: there will be some kids that are cool, but the

617
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: teenager dum as a mythical space, will always be straight. Absolutely.

618
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: I will tell you what really got me. So a

619
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: couple of months ago I went to see a friend's

620
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: daughter in legally Blonde Jr, which is the children's musical

621
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: of legally blonde, okay, at a Middle School in Pasadena,

622
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: and that is crazy. It was. It was interesting, Naomi,

623
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: because I went to the Philharmonic, honestly, is the greatest

624
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: theatrical experience of all time of my life, and it

625
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: was just and, of course, legally blonde in general. You know,

626
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: this is a show that's very much like bended snap,

627
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 1: where girls were young, a lot of like sorority action.

628
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: But you saw because it was a grades four to eight, right,

629
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: so you're kind of coming into Teendom, and the leads

630
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: were the eighth graders. Okay, the girl playing l she

631
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: carried it, all right, she carried it, but it was

632
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 1: interesting to watch them, you know, the kids at that age,

633
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: that in between age, kind of coming into teen and

634
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: sort of, and even the even the young boys having

635
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: to play. I'm a jock. What is it? Luke Wilson

636
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: or Almolston, whatever the Wilson was, you know what I mean,

637
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: like happy to be like, I don't know. And then

638
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: they had a young girl play the victor garber character,

639
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: like a Bitchy, a bitchy, cold older girl, you know,

640
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: giving us Victor Garber. But it just felt like it's

641
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: interesting to see how early and how young they start

642
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: to perform gender regardless of their sexual identity, right. You know,

643
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: like there's a way they're being taught to play it

644
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: from as young as like nine. That I'm like, Oh no, yeah,

645
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: oh no, that is cruel. That that reminds me of like,

646
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: I think I've mentioned this on the pod. One of

647
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: the embarrassing things I did as a teen was this

648
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: thing called, Um, showtime dancers. It was like for the

649
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: show in Michigan, when I was in Michigan is there

650
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: was this like dance group that would like do little

651
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: dances between every act and I was a part of this,

652
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, and in between so not the talent

653
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: show itself. We were like between the acts, like we

654
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: were like the little we were the glue that held

655
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: it all together and it's very confusing when you say

656
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: it out loud. And it feels like I made it up,

657
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: but I swear it was real, and we would do

658
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: like partner like ballroom dances and it was like I'm

659
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: thirteen pretending to like be a big man in a Tux,

660
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: like doing a throw with a girl that. I'm like,

661
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: is this supposed to be sexual? Is it supposed to

662
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: be art? What is this? Yeah, Oh no, why do

663
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: they make why do we make kids do things like that?

664
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: It's weird. Yeah, like little dresses dresses up and dances

665
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: and like, to me, instead of doing legally blonde, they

666
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: should just be like a kid's musical. It's like, let's

667
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: they should all write original pieces about like being in

668
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: seventh grade. You know what I mean. You know it.

669
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: While I agree with you, theoretically, you would have enjoyed

670
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: that a lot less, I think as an audience member. No,

671
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: I want hbos girls of seventh grade. Oh my God,

672
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: now that I love. I want raw reel. Hello, the

673
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: secret lives of high school girls, the secret lives of

674
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: middle school girls. I need to think about it. It's

675
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: it's interesting speaking of the secret lives of girls and

676
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: and you know, the sex lives of college girls. That show,

677
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: of course, on Netflix. I want to say, uh, there

678
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: is a way in which it's almost there's teenagers in

679
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: real life and then there's also the media representation of teenagers,

680
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: both of which are in fact straight, but in just

681
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: very different ways. And also you kind of think, like,

682
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: would teenagers even know what to do if they hadn't

683
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: been raised on those shows? What would it look like

684
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: in a vacuum? What would it look like to be

685
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: a teenager without having you know, for us it was whatever,

686
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: the O C or gossip girl or nine, O, two, one,

687
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: oh or whatever. Thank you for referencing my time. I'm

688
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: trying to think. What's the other one? The other not nine,

689
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 1: on the other one of that era? Saved by the Bell?

690
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: Saved by the Bell? I don't know. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, okay, well, anyway,

691
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: melrose plays, yes, but I do wonder. Yeah, so much

692
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: of what I was doing as a team was trying

693
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: to emulate one of the characters that I related to

694
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: most of those shows, right. I mean remember, like we

695
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: all know, famously, uh, Andrea from Andrea was like thirty two,

696
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like playing an adult. She

697
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: is now like the SAG president or former SAC president.

698
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: You don't like she was very so it's just funny

699
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: because we were constantly trying to emulate these teens as

700
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: played by people in their late twenties. Yes, yes, right,

701
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: so it's like even more like hormonally Jack, like an

702
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: actual seventeen year old boy is not serving Luke Perry,

703
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But like that's what you

704
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: were supposed to be doing and that's what we were modeling,

705
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: even though it's like, even if we were, those people

706
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: weren't even our age. There was no way to get

707
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: to night. But then there was that one boy who

708
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: somehow was like do you know what I mean? Yes,

709
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: just like there's one like you're all thirteen, and there

710
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: was one guy who just like does actually somehow. You're

711
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: like wait, have you been actually doing a strict regimen

712
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: this whole time? I mean, yeah, seeing being around like

713
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: the grown up teams that are your age, I was

714
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: always like very confused and I was like am I

715
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: supposed to reach their levels? Like I think we're just

716
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: sort of on different pages. It seems so out of touch,

717
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: of touch, out of reach. Yes, I was, and I

718
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: was always like grateful to have a younger brother because

719
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: I was like okay, I can like sort of retreat

720
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: like to the Child Self, because I don't need to

721
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: like go out to the high school game and like

722
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: pretend to be thirty, go back home and like play

723
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: Ugo or whatever. Well, I felt like, you know, because

724
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: I grew up in New York, in Manhattan. I mean

725
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: I went to Dalton, which was famously in gossip girl,

726
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: and I think that like that layer of money and

727
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 1: wealth did also play with like people really were acting

728
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: grown up and trying to be grown up because they

729
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: had access to certain things. Right, like it's, I think,

730
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: a suburban team versus the city team can be very

731
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: different in terms of what kind of trouble you can,

732
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: you have access to get into, and so I would

733
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: always feel like but I was a nerd, right. So, like, yeah,

734
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: they were the kids who were like doing coke at

735
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: parties and, you know, having like you know, drinking and

736
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: doing stuff where it's like for my sixteen birthday, I

737
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: think we all watched billy Madison at a friend's house,

738
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, like it was like pizza at a movie,

739
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: and that was my idea of a good time. But

740
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 1: certainly other people I knew were doing the hard stuff.

741
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: That is crazy. It's dark. Well, y'all. What were you

742
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: all like in high school, though? Were you very um?

743
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: Were you party Ers? Were you out and about? Were

744
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: you getting into Treble Sam? I was a good boy

745
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: through and through. I was like I would go to

746
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: the parties, but I was always like yeah, I don't drink,

747
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: like really. Yeah, that was like I was. I was

748
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: like what is it if we're if we're like characters

749
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: in the show? WHO's the the O C guy, who's

750
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: like the Indie Guy, who like people are like Adam Brody?

751
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: I was always like that's me. So you, it's not

752
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: that your parents like forbade like you would go to

753
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: the parties. You're allowed to go, but you naturally were

754
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: like not for me. Yeah, I think. Well, I moved

755
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: in the middle of high school and in Michigan my

756
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: like friend group hadn't started drinking yet, and in Virginia

757
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: when I moved there, everyone already had, and so I

758
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: was like it's actually instead of like being being like

759
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 1: it's easier to pretend to not want to and sort

760
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: of not fall into it then to like be like,

761
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: I've actually never had a drink. Does it hurt? Like

762
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: just like you're like you're like Oh, I'm actually him

763
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: in recovery. So, yeah, I think I missed the natural

764
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: um progression so that it wasn't until until like college,

765
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: like what you left? Yeah, like I graduated high school

766
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: and then like that summer I started drinking and it

767
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: was also my parents were very they're like, they're sort

768
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: of like you can drink as soon as you graduated

769
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: high school, like, but don't drink before then. And I

770
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: was like, all right, that's pretty easy for me. I

771
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: didn't drink until junior year of college. Wo Yeah, yeah, Dad, whatsoever.

772
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: That's crazy. It is so rare for me to be

773
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: the bad boy of a group of people that I'm with.

774
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: You're the that's what we established today's episode. You're the

775
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: bad boy. I mean, it really is true. I'm I'm

776
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: the the other one from the the one who moves

777
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: from Chino with the blonde one. Yeah, although I guess

778
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: his brother was the bad one, kind of like he

779
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: was of course coated as bad because he was poor,

780
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: but then had a heart of gold, and then his brother,

781
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, was unable to escape the birthrate of being that. Okay,

782
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: I have not seen the show and I need to

783
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: see it. I that was it. I didn't know that

784
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: he was, because I just think of him like he

785
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: was like blonde, good boy. I didn't know that he

786
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: was supposed to be like a poor kid. Yeah, so

787
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: it's he is from the wrong side of the tracks.

788
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: I can't remember how he ends up with the Cohens,

789
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: but he then becomes kind of like adopted into Adam

790
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: Brodie's family's home. They're the rich ones and the whole.

791
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: Of course everyone in Orange County is rich, right. But yeah,

792
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: he is like he is the fish out of water.

793
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: And then were you then? Are Are you saying you're

794
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: the bad boy the group? Like were you? Tell me,

795
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: tell me what you're doing. So I I mean I

796
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: went to Middle School in suburban New Jersey and it

797
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: was like not x rayed at all. But then when,

798
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: when I was thirteen, we moved back to Greece and then,

799
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: as I've like I said many times on the pot,

800
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: in Greece, it's there's no drinking age, like I was

801
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: able to go to clubs when I was like thirteen,

802
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: like I must have of course, in retrospect I must

803
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: have looked so stupid, like I truly had not gone

804
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: through puberty yet, and I was like I think I

805
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: would order a screwdriver when I was a child because

806
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: that's what I was like. Somehow, I don't know, it

807
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: seemed I was like Oh, orange, you know it, it

808
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: seemed approachable um or I liked the bottle like a

809
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: smearnoff Ice Rob Accardi breezer. Those are very popular at

810
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: the time. I don't know if those made it stateside. Yeah,

811
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: they made a splash. So I was like. So I

812
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: never really I mean sure, it's it's not like it

813
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: was celebrated by my parents, but I never really got

814
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: to feel like I was doing something wrong or illicit.

815
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: The and then the one thing, of course, that I

816
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 1: did that was really not allowed, as I started smoking

817
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,479
Speaker 1: cigarettes when I was in high school, and I still

818
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: remember when my parents caught me smoking a cigarette. It

819
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: was truly as though they had seen me like do

820
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: human sacrifice really. Yeah, and in fact my sisters, who

821
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: are younger at the time, had not like grown into

822
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: their own rebellious phases yet, so they really had like

823
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: internalized this correct idea, by the way, that smoking is

824
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: bad for you. Um, and so I remember they all

825
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: we were all in a family vacation. I had peeled

826
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: off with some friends I was probably like fifteen. So

827
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: the friends and I were having a drink while the

828
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: adults and the younger kids were all at dinner. But

829
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: then I didn't know that they would then walk and

830
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: take a walk and pass the bar where we were

831
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: at and I just, in slow motions, saw my parents

832
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: look like make eye contact with me and then their

833
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: eyes go down, down, down to my hand that was

834
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: holding a cigarette, and then all the blood drained from

835
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: their faces, just like he did the one thing he

836
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: told him not to do. And then I was you know,

837
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: I was staying with my sisters in the kid's room

838
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: in the hotel and I remember waking up next to

839
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: my sister and her opening her eyes and just looking

840
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: at me with the most disappointed like I've ever seen,

841
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: and she's like five years younger than me, and just

842
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: her being like yeah, because there they were like kids.

843
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: They weren't like older and disappointed to me, they were

844
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: like kids and we're like, oh my God, our brother

845
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: is a delinquent, and she was just like she said

846
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: something along lines of like you should be ashamed of yourself.

847
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: Oh my God, that is crazy a ten year old. Well,

848
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: that's extremely dark, George. I'm glad I'm a ten year old.

849
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: For a ten year old to look at you and

850
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: just be like I expected more, that is that is

851
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: the moment you became a comedian. Okay, there was something

852
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: about I don't know, it's like I really was doing

853
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: everything right and like I I do, and of course

854
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: I understand as a parent how you'd be like, Oh

855
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: my God, no, don't do this thing, that is going

856
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: to kill you. Of course, of course I get that,

857
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: but there is a way in which you need to

858
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: kind of anticipate that a team will rebel in some way.

859
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I can't relate. I didn't rebels.

860
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: I was in my twenties. But I'm also seeing you,

861
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: but you toobe now this is a classic teen. It's

862
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: straight culture, it's it's Vaca in the club in a city.

863
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Being like like that's like

864
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: you were putting it on. You're putting it on, performing

865
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: the role, and then eventually leveled out. Now, though, after

866
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: that night, you know, when they found you, did you

867
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: stop smoking or I hit it and not well, like

868
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: to the point where I'd be like in the passenger

869
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: seat having very clearly reeking of cigarettes, like there's no way.

870
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: I had had one like five minutes before in the

871
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: passenger with my mom, and I would think that by

872
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: just kind of exhaling to the side like that, that

873
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: would be like enough. And of course, in retrospect I

874
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: understand that it's for my mom. It was just like, well,

875
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: she can't start yelling every time I'm in the car.

876
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: So she just like didn't know, but in my mind

877
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: I thought I was getting away with it. You little delinquent.

878
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: Go to the bathroom, because there was like a downstairs

879
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: bathroom and upstairs bathroom, and go to the downstairs bathroom,

880
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: put towels by under the door and then smoke outside

881
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: the window. Okay, but then the bathroom still smelled like wait, Naomi,

882
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm I want to know why. You didn't drink until

883
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: junior year of college. So I was afraid of alcohol.

884
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: I was afraid of like being drunk and being out

885
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: of control. Everyone I knew who was drinking, it was

886
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: like they would drink and then do something, you know

887
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: what I mean. It would be a drama and it

888
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: was like, Oh my God, I was wasting like. So

889
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: I was very afraid of that and I was like

890
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 1: and also I felt I think when I got to college,

891
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: to where it's like, well, why do I need to drink,

892
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: like because you're drinking to change your consciousness, and I'm like, well,

893
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm only doing that if I don't want to be

894
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: where I am anyway, in which case you just don't go.

895
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying? Like I was a lot

896
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: more like. That's such a mature like that is so

897
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: not how I was and where my brain was at.

898
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: When I was a team like I was like I

899
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: wanna I was like, I want to be drunk, I

900
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: want to know what it's like to be drunk. Oh,

901
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: will it changed? It happened. You know, shoot, your year

902
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: really made up for lost time. I think. Still doing it,

903
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, I really, but I think I think it

904
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: was also, yeah, that I was also, yeah, I was

905
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: much more controlled and much more afraid of doing something.

906
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: I think when I was younger too, you know, that

907
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: self consciousness. I didn't want to not be in control.

908
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: I was so worried about what people thought of me

909
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: or were saying about me or would say about me,

910
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: that it was like be in control and pay attention,

911
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: just to keep your head on a swivel, you know.

912
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: And so I was a real control and then when

913
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: that went away, it was like, next thing you know, Howney,

914
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm falling asleep on the D train and getting about

915
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: the conductor. Okay, second time I brought up d train,

916
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: the subway. Folks, folks, honestly, May I had a similar thing.

917
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: Maybe this was more of the high school part, but

918
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: I was like, if I drink, I'm going to come

919
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: out of the closet. Like I was like, if I drink,

920
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be comfortable enough to tell people I'm gay,

921
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: and so that's got to be locked up. You'RE gonna down.

922
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: You cannot, you cannot let that. And I was right.

923
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: I obviously came out of the closet while drunk, like when,

924
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: the first time you got drunk, you were like I'm gay.

925
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: Not the first time, but like that was definitely like

926
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: my first year, second player of college, like I was

927
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: like I'm drunk and Um, you know then, I understand.

928
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: then I understand more like where your attitude was coming from,

929
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: because it was not to put this on you, but

930
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: it was almost like a repression thing. It was like, well,

931
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: you didn't want to be loose because you didn't want

932
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: to be uh, not clenched right, right, yeah, yea, yeah,

933
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: you didn't want to reveal especially. It's like, my God,

934
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: from Michigan to Virginia, you don't know what you're getting

935
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: into that new high school. Oh God, no, when, when

936
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: you start? Do you remember having a moment like, you know,

937
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: in going to the new school, where you were like

938
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: I'm going to reinvent myself, or like this is gonna

939
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 1: be the new set, you know, anything like that? Well,

940
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: we I I thought I would um because I had

941
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: moved before and kind of crushed it. I kind of

942
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: thought I had it down to a science and this

943
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: was the only place that it just like did not

944
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: click like very quickly. They were like they they smelled

945
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: the fear on me or something and like they're their

946
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: rules were different, they're like value systems were different, and

947
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: so I couldn't impress them in like the classic ways

948
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: that I thought always worked. And then it was like,

949
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: Oh damn. Like before I thought like you wear Hollister

950
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: to school and people will think that you're cool, and

951
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: then this was like, oh no, you have to wear

952
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: like southern preppy clothes, like brands I don't even know of.

953
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, politics of actually, that's one of the

954
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: straighter things about the politics of what's cooling what's not,

955
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: and also how that differs from what's on TV. Like

956
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: I distinctly remember being like when I was in New Jersey,

957
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,959
Speaker 1: the cheerleaders were not the popular girls. The popular girls

958
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: were Lacrosse and few old hockey. Mm Hmmm, because it

959
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: was like in retrospect I'm like, okay, it was the

960
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: rich girls. At the time, I didn't know that. You

961
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: that was you know what that signified. But yeah, it's

962
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: fun how that works. Yeah, like I remember when I

963
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: moved to Greece, suddenly all these I had stuff from

964
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: like Abercrombie and Hollistor. That what that at that point

965
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: it was so passe in New Jersey, but suddenly it

966
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: was so cool in Greece because it's signified an international flare.

967
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: Your parents had traveled to Manhattan and bought it for you. Yes, well,

968
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: this one's gonna ask you too, like when you got

969
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: there right, like obviously you've already got family there, so

970
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: it's not like you're totally just like, you know, you're

971
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: not a fish out of water, but you are like

972
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: was their currency. In being from New Jersey. There was

973
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: just sort of like I mean I was just I

974
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: kind of stuck out, like it was not something. I

975
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: was just different in a way where it was like

976
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: who is this? We've never seen anything like this. And

977
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: I also like, I'm sure I almost kind of like

978
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: spoke like an alien in some ways, because I just

979
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: kind of like my even like like my grasp of

980
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: slaying and my grasp of how young people talk was

981
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: very much stuck in basically what I spoke with my

982
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: family and what I remember speaking from like when I

983
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: was like a kid living in Greece. So I was

984
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: like I would hear a phrase and then repeat it,

985
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: but then when I said it it would be wrong,

986
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't realize it's actually it reminds me of

987
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: my dad when he first moved to America, had the

988
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: opposite thing, where he his second language was English, and

989
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: so he would hear things but not realize how formal

990
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: or casual they were. So, for instance, he heard the

991
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 1: phrase like this sucks as like okay, this is bad,

992
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: which is of course, it's not like a curse word,

993
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: but then he would start, like he would be speaking

994
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: to like a professional contact about like something at work

995
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: and be like yeah, this brief sucks and it's like, well,

996
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: that's not you know, that's not like when, yes, you

997
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 1: are almost there. That's not that's not the appropriate place

998
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: to use that and I feel like that was a

999
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: lot of my experience. They were like this is the

1000
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: coolest coworker I've ever a fuck. He keeps it real.

1001
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: Finally a coworker that keeps it real. Everyone was doing

1002
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: business talk at me. I think that's the straightest part.

1003
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: Is the hierarchies that like teens create and they're like

1004
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: cut through hierarchies exactly, and this is what I mean.

1005
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: I mean like so, kind of regardless of where you

1006
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: fall on the spectrum of identity, gender, whatever, right, you've

1007
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: got to stick to this hierarchy. You gotta stick to

1008
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: it kind of regardless. Like think about how early aughts, uh,

1009
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: for us it was all about, you know, the Abercrombie

1010
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: and like Puka Shell necklaces and like. That made a

1011
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: boy cool, but then in certain parts of the country

1012
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: that is I'm a preppy, young gay boy. Yeah, you

1013
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's exactly like that's the cool

1014
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: because the cool factor is the brand of it all. Yeah,

1015
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: and that's how you're like, I'm a guy. You see

1016
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: him wearing an official guy clothes and it's just like, okay,

1017
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: we all need to calm down, we all need to

1018
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: be dressed like billie eilish. True equality, the in group,

1019
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: out group. I'll say this. Every school has the one

1020
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: kid everyone has decided is scum. And that is the

1021
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: scariest thing to me, because I literally remember the name

1022
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: of the Kid in New Jersey at my middle school

1023
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: who was that. Like, I'm not gonna Docks Him, but

1024
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: I you know what, I bet he is because I

1025
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: bet he like and and that's that's I mean the

1026
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: straightest thing about high school that it's all fake and

1027
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: then you kind of like you knows. As soon as

1028
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: you move on, you realize like that there are alternatives,

1029
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: but it really but it's just but in the moment

1030
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: you're like this is it. There's no way out. There's

1031
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: something about it where you you don't you have no

1032
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: sense of perspective. By definition. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no

1033
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: life outside of this, and you're like this is the

1034
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: way it's gonna be. And if I don't do this

1035
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: part right, right, even though you know, like high school

1036
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: is finite. You know, if if you play your card

1037
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: driver you're out. It's like it's a finite and yet

1038
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: you think, if I fucked this up, my whole life

1039
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: is ruined, like I am established as a certain kind

1040
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: of person and I will never be able to get

1041
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: out of this. And that's what's like such a mess.

1042
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's funny because when I do

1043
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: see people from my past, like high school, Middle School stuff,

1044
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: people are very surprised to learn that I'm a comedian

1045
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: or people who come out of nowhere, because I was,

1046
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: I mean more middle school than high school, but I

1047
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: was a very shy kid. I was very quiet. I

1048
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: used to cry a lot, like I was that person.

1049
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: So the last thing you thought I would be doing

1050
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: is like getting up in front of people and talking,

1051
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and it's like, but that's

1052
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: also like that's just what I thought I was gonna be.

1053
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna sit and write in my journal.

1054
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: It's gonna be okay, and this is just my life.

1055
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: It's also this thing of like somehow, even as adults,

1056
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: even when you think you're pasted at all, there's still

1057
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: that voice in your head that's like my realist self,

1058
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: like my most true self, is who I was in

1059
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: high school. Somehow like the trauma of that stays with you,

1060
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: where you're like, well, I'm faking it, if I'm trying

1061
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: to be different. Who I am is this person, and

1062
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: in fact it's actually just fully not true, like it

1063
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: really is just not true and actually it's like very

1064
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: sad when people have not realized that it's not true

1065
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: and are still basically doing a cosplay of high school.

1066
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: have either of you gone to your reunions? I haven't

1067
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: for that reason because I feel like I don't know.

1068
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: I'm afraid that they will see through whatever I present

1069
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: and be like, Bitch, I knew you when you were

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00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: credit art class. So I've never gone back. Either of

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00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: you got back. I have not gone back. I went

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00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: to my tenure high school reunion. Really Yeah, wow, so

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00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: brave it was. It was not a terrible experience, but

1074
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: there was no like redemption narrative, like I was right

1075
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: where I I was, just I was. And it's not

1076
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: that I had a bad experience school, I just had

1077
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: like the experience that I had. I didn't know who

1078
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: I was, I wasn't out. I like, you know, I

1079
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: had some friends, but was certainly not popular or whatever.

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00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: That's exactly how I felt when I was at this reunion,

1081
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: and that's maybe the satis thin of all. It's like

1082
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: it's not like there's no redemption narrative or and there

1083
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: was no like dramatic thing where I like got drunk

1084
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: and confronted someone. It was just like wow, yeah, I

1085
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: guess here we are again. So, so were you living?

1086
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: You went back to Greece then. For that I just

1087
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: happened to be so they do their reunions on during

1088
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: the holidays, so I was home for the holidays and

1089
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: I okay, Oh yeah, the classic you know, when people

1090
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: do Thanksgiving, you know, home for Thanksgiving and then being

1091
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: like we're all going to meet up at the Bowling Alley. Well,

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00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: I've done that. I've done that. The informal there was

1093
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: something and I, you know, I started to call out

1094
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: this person, but there was something that happened that made

1095
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: me stop talking to most people from my high school,

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00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: and it was a few years after I graduated. I

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00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: went back and I would still, I would basically still

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00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: be closeted with my high school friends in this weird

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01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: way where I in my mind, I thought like I

1100
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: could have a double life where I was open and

1101
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: out in college and in my and in New York,

1102
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: or not even in New York, and San Francists at

1103
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: the time, and go back home and no one, none

1104
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: of the information would leak. Everyone would just be like

1105
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: and now, okay, and we're back. And so I was

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01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: still in the closet, technically, and I went out with

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01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: a few of my friends who I thought were kind

1108
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: of like progressive, like I didn't think of them as

1109
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: conservative or anything, and one of them goes, she was

1110
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: like I have the best gossip who in our year

1111
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: is literally gay. She just goes like she was like

1112
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: she used the word. I'm trying to like translate it.

1113
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: It was almost like the word like officially or like documented.

1114
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: It was like documented gay, like that was basically the word.

1115
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: It was like it was like he has made it official.

1116
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: And so then everyone in the you know, it's maybe

1117
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: four of us getting a drink, everyone started guessing names

1118
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: and then he and then she would react being like

1119
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: I can see why you would think that, but now

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01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: and so it was this and I just remember being

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01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: there in my heart like beating. I knew she wasn't

1122
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: gonna say me, like she's not, like she wasn't like a.

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01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's not like she's trying to be cool,

1124
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: but like just my heart beating and being like Oh

1125
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: these everyone here is like expressing their unfiltered thoughts about

1126
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: essentially like how they would react if various people came

1127
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: out as gay, and it just went on for like,

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01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, ten minutes of like ham or ham or Ham,

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01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: and then it you know, she said who it was

1130
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: and then, of course she did the whole like and

1131
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: you know what? I don't. I think it's cool that

1132
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: he's gay, like after everyone had like dragged everyone through

1133
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: the Mundy. Oh No, Oh God, that is the nightmare. Well,

1134
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: it is the nightmare because it's also like, obviously you

1135
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: know she's gonna say you, but this idea that this

1136
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: is even the conversation, right, you know, people are having

1137
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: this kind of conversation and it's like Jesus Christ. But

1138
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: to me that was when I went to their union,

1139
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: it was like my re entry. I was like now,

1140
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: ten years later, I don't have to be worried if

1141
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: someone is talking about someone being gay whatever, and I

1142
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: didn't feel that much more, that much better. Yeah, I

1143
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: felt confident in myself, but like, I always hate you.

1144
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: So far I kind of had a not as similar exactly,

1145
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: but like all the people I was friends with in

1146
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: Virginia in high school, like I kind of just never

1147
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: talked to again because I was like it's almost too

1148
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: like coming out now. It's like not worth it because

1149
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: it's like we're not we're high school friends. We're not

1150
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: gonna be friends forever. And then it was just like

1151
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: maybe we'll just speed this process of like so and

1152
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: I kind of feel actually guilty about it because it

1153
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: doesn't give them enough credit, but it is a weird

1154
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: thing where I was like, what do I do? This

1155
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: is gonna be like complicated, and they're like definitely still

1156
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: home a pobic. They were home a public two years ago.

1157
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: Why would they not be today? Do you know what

1158
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: I always think about is the thirty rock episode where

1159
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: she goes back to her reuse. It turns out she

1160
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: has been the bully the whole time, and I think

1161
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: that is one of the most perceptive character uh things

1162
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: like just that. It is so true that as a

1163
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: defense mechanism, you're afraid people will be mean to you

1164
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: or people will belly you, so then you will like

1165
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: ignore people's texts, you will like kind of be closed

1166
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: off in a way that appears aloof yeah, you'll push

1167
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: them away, and I feel that at times when my life,

1168
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: have done that so hard and only realized the years later. Brother,

1169
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: we're all living in the past, trying our best to

1170
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: just get invited to the cool lunch table. That's all

1171
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, I feel like I'm still as it.

1172
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: Who knew that I would end up in an industry

1173
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: where I'm being judged by Jewish women all the time?

1174
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: It literally feels like high school has never ended. Okay,

1175
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: I walked to a room, I'm trying to make a

1176
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: meg and Sarah Lindsay like me, hoping they'll give me money.

1177
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: I mean it really is. Yeah, it's really literalizing the

1178
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: high school experience. It's me trying to get some wealthy

1179
01:03:55,640 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: white woman to just like decide I'm cool. That's like,

1180
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: Oh God. I'm like, Oh good Lord, who knew? Who

1181
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: knew this was a choice we'd be making? And I'm sorry,

1182
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: like no offense to those industry professionals, because I actually

1183
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: would die for them and and we'll sign a document

1184
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: stating as such, but they are, in many ways those

1185
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: actual exact people from high school grown up. Like it's

1186
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: it's like there's something where we're like and now we're back,

1187
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah, Oh, yeah, oh, brother, look at us,

1188
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: you guys. You gotta get a picture of mark to go.

1189
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: I want trying to think of like a high school

1190
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: thing that we can turn it around and be like

1191
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm literally trying to think of like a prompt that's

1192
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: like so, what's the best thing that you ever are like,

1193
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: what's the Um? But I've honestly got nothing. It's funny

1194
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: because my instant was to like talk about what specifically

1195
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: is straight about high school, in the sense that, basically,

1196
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 1: by learning what it is to be straight, you'll learn

1197
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: what it is to be a person. It's it's almost

1198
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: like that is the structure upon which everything else is

1199
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: built in high school. So it's it's just like an

1200
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: inevitable part of growing up is realizing where you fit

1201
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: within heterosexuality. Yeah, yeah, because even if you are gay

1202
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: in high school, you're you're like in opposition to and, frankly,

1203
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: even if you are straight but undesirable, like if you

1204
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: are the guy that's like hasn't hit puberty yet and

1205
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: and people make fun of and is whatever, or if

1206
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: you're the girl who is is one of the less

1207
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: popular girls or you know, everyone's differently with their body,

1208
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: whatever it's like you. This is now the role that

1209
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: you are playing in this theater. Talk about legally belong

1210
01:05:55,280 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: the musical. We're in it. Start. Yeah, that's start believing illegally. Well,

1211
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: on the musical. You're in it. You're in it. Oh

1212
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: my Gosh, you guys keep me young, and not much longer.

1213
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: You know, our clock is tick and, Darling deer, let

1214
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: me tell you we're not going to be getting auditions

1215
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: for the O C reboot for any of the characters.

1216
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: You Might Get Peter Gallagher, maybe Peter Ga. I learned that, Um,

1217
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: is it like Alexis Demi or whatever her name is,

1218
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: Alexa Denny, Alexa to me that she was like thirty

1219
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: two or something, and you and I was that's off

1220
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: the record. Sorry, is not available anywhere. That's one of

1221
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: the euphoria is. Yeah, she it's famously she's one of

1222
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: these people whose age you can't find anywhere and kind

1223
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: of changes based on the interview, which, by the way,

1224
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: is the right of any woman. Yes, of course, but I, Um,

1225
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: I actually found that very inspired. Ring. I was like,

1226
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm going to play a team. Oh, Henny,

1227
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,439
Speaker 1: I have. I am in a movie coming up where

1228
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: they have me as a mom and when I tell

1229
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: you my kids are like a legit fifteen years, it

1230
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: was harrowing. It was hurtful. I did not meet my

1231
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: children and tell the big scene when we're in a

1232
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: Um like a auditorium, and they like, you know, just

1233
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: kind of put kids with us, because it's like what

1234
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: I tell you. My kids are just like grown he

1235
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 1: one of them is in a sweater at a tie.

1236
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: I said, this is how old do you think I am?

1237
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: It's like people we know in comedy. I'm Joe Firestone's mother.

1238
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: It's like, Oh, it's Rachel Sennett. Okay. I was like wow, wow, wow, wow.

1239
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: I am officially that age, but here. But then I'll

1240
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: say this. If you're that age now, if you can

1241
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: play those roles now, well then you have thirty years

1242
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: ahead of you of being able to play those roles.

1243
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean well, but what do you if this is

1244
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: what I played now, in ten years I am a

1245
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: grandmother on her deathbed. Okay, I'm the framing device for

1246
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: a flashback film. You're dying of old age. What did

1247
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:18,919
Speaker 1: she die of? Old Come closer, Baby Graham, a tellious

1248
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: story like that's gonna be in ten years? Oh No,

1249
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna be the after actor for the beach. That

1250
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: makes you old too. It's going to be the even

1251
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 1: more of a flash forward. In yellow jackets, they're doing

1252
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 1: the fifty year reunion now. Honestly, fingers crossed. Could love.

1253
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,560
Speaker 1: I would love the EMMYNOM that would be huge for

1254
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: everyone in the community. Um, wow, should we do our

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Speaker 1: final segment? I mean, I guess so. I guess so.

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Speaker 1: George has to pack before George has a back. I'll

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01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:57,520
Speaker 1: be fine. I'll be fine. I love your chill attitude.

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Speaker 1: Please me. Yeah, let's do a final segment. I'm like, there,

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Speaker 1: it's it seems like. I'm like. I also realized halfway

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Speaker 1: through that I started talk about high school. In fact,

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Speaker 1: the topic was teenagers. No, it's the same. It's the same.

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Speaker 1: You can't remove the teams from high school and you

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01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 1: can't have high school from teams. You can't remove you

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Speaker 1: can't go hand in hand. Um Okay. Well then, our

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Speaker 1: final segment is called shoutouts. It's homage to the Great

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Speaker 1: Street edition of the radio shout out and in it

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Speaker 1: we give a shout out to anything that we enjoy,

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Speaker 1: sort of in the style of imagine it's two thousand

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Speaker 1: one and you're in Time Square at trl shouting out

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Speaker 1: to your squad back home, but about anything that you enjoyed.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was at Knowl trl multiple times after school.

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Speaker 1: I went to I didn't go in it. Did you

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Speaker 1: go in it? Outside I went. I remember being outside

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Speaker 1: and it's funny, I can't actually remember. It was like

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Speaker 1: an actor that I was not old enough to like

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Speaker 1: fully grasp the importance of. It. Wasn't Sam Jackson, but

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Speaker 1: like it could have been samp like it was someone

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Speaker 1: of that type, where like I should have been start

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Speaker 1: struck by I wasn't at the time. Oh that's so funny.

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Speaker 1: Mine was most definitely in Syncra. I was there. Allows them, okay,

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Speaker 1: like give me on this girl beds POPs. And then

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Speaker 1: it was funny because it was very embasic, because next

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Speaker 1: day someone was like were you at T R l?

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Speaker 1: Because when they payed the outside, I guess I was

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Speaker 1: making some faces, doing something where my history teacher was like, Nahmi,

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Speaker 1: I believe I saw your tr l. Then he goes,

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Speaker 1: did you do your homework? You know, because he was

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Speaker 1: like you're out on trl after school, why is the

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Speaker 1: history teacher watching t rl? Yeah, and to say something

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Speaker 1: like that you have no idea that's stuck with you

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Speaker 1: now years later. I mean that's actually one of the

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Speaker 1: most toxic things about being a teen. That bothers me

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Speaker 1: is that, like, why do I still have my memories

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01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,919
Speaker 1: from that? Like that should be gone. I'm a completely

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Speaker 1: different person. Give me the eternal sunshine surgery stacked immediately,

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Speaker 1: where the good and the bad? I don't need it.

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Speaker 1: Like I just don't need that information any now. I

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Speaker 1: don't need it. My life started in two thousand three.

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Speaker 1: That's what I like. Okay, wow. Well, Um, George, do

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Speaker 1: you have one for a final second? Um, do I

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Speaker 1: have one? I actually do have much. Well then, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody, from the East Coast to the West

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Speaker 1: Coast and everywhere in between? I'm Sam and I would

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Speaker 1: like to give a huge shout out to the artists

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Speaker 1: known as Jennifer Vanilla. Yes, Jennifer Vanilla is a Um

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn performer, Singer, Um and really I was listening to

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Speaker 1: their album today at the gym and I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm in heaven. This is so fun and sometimes I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be honest, the vocals were giving Madonna in a

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Speaker 1: way that I was enjoying. Look up Jennifer Vanilla. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm giving an indie shout out. Um, the person who

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Speaker 1: is Jennier Vanilla is named Becca Coffman and I met

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Speaker 1: them at a party in two thousand eleven and it

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Speaker 1: was actually very weird and I've we've run into each

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Speaker 1: other over the last decade of New York and they

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Speaker 1: put out this domnament. It's really good, called Castle in

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Speaker 1: the sky, I think, and it's really fun. Jennifer Vanilla

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Speaker 1: Body music. Get into it. What's up, freaks and losers

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Speaker 1: out there? It's your boy, George. I want to give

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Speaker 1: a quick shout out to the concept of actually summer

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Speaker 1: ends at the end of September. I used to think

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Speaker 1: summer ending at the end of August and I actually

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Speaker 1: was pretty adamant about that, and I thought September one,

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Speaker 1: that's when school starts, that's when summer ends. Well, guess what, Bitch,

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Speaker 1: we're not in school and summer is over when it

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Speaker 1: stops being hot out. So maybe grow the Tuck up,

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Speaker 1: leave high school for once. Stop trying to sit at

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Speaker 1: the cool kids cafeteria table and recognize that September is

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Speaker 1: not only summer, it is prime summer, because September is

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Speaker 1: when the crowds are. You know, you can go on

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Speaker 1: a vacation and it's less crowded because people that's not

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Speaker 1: when people plan their vacation. You can go outside and

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Speaker 1: have it be hot while not melting and literally actually

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Speaker 1: dropping dead on the spot, because if each stroke and

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Speaker 1: you can actually take a breath without the pressure of Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's August, what are we doing? You set your own

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Speaker 1: rules and in that way it's actually more empowering for

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Speaker 1: summer to be in September than for summer to be

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Speaker 1: in August. Yeah, Um, you're just a little pushback. I

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Speaker 1: think that's genius for the most part, but I think

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Speaker 1: I have been to the beach around September and you

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Speaker 1: feel fall and you you can't even will your mind

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Speaker 1: to believe it's summer. Well, here's what I'll say to that.

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Speaker 1: Maybe try to book a vacation with discounted tickets because,

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01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: guess what, it's cheaper than it would be otherwise to

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Speaker 1: a destination where it is, in fact, slightly more hot

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Speaker 1: and have the vacation. Other people will pay thousands of

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Speaker 1: dollars for on a budget, on a shoestring budget in fact. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this has been a healthy debate and I appreciate your input.

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Speaker 1: And also, why not? Why not have something and when

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Speaker 1: it's ready to end, rather than having it end early

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Speaker 1: and then spending all of September being like well, maybe, well,

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Speaker 1: maybe not right, right, right. Why am I still so sweaty?

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Speaker 1: Why am I still so tired? Right, well, I just

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Speaker 1: want to give a shout out. Okay, Hey, all you

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Speaker 1: cool cats and Kittens, I am here to give a

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Speaker 1: shout out to all my friends dealing with their therapists

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Speaker 1: August vacations. It is so hardly with these therapists just

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Speaker 1: love to be like I gotta take all of August off,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, Babe, are you European? I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: And you know what? Depression never stops. Okay, never stopped,

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Speaker 1: never stopping, which means this is a dark time for

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Speaker 1: so many of us. So I just wanted to want

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Speaker 1: you to know you're not alone. Okay, it's not right,

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Speaker 1: but it's okay. We're going to get through it. And

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Speaker 1: it is just like really offensive to me the way

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Speaker 1: they want to take a whole month off and it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, why don't you take a few more

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Speaker 1: micro vacations throughout the year, as opposed to leaving people

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Speaker 1: in the Lurch for a full on four weeks? It's

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Speaker 1: rude to be this sweaty and this say it. Who

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Speaker 1: can you speak to it? And you know, it's like

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Speaker 1: why do they get to be the only people living

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Speaker 1: in Europe? Suddenly, exactly the rest of the country doesn't

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Speaker 1: get to take all of August off. Suddenly, when you're

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Speaker 1: a therapist, you're you're French and from Lyon, suddenly suddenly

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Speaker 1: you're from Barcelona and you're eating you're from Barcelona. Where

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Speaker 1: was this? What I what? I was asking you for

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Speaker 1: travel tips. You know, no, it's insane. Suddenly you're a

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Speaker 1: FLAMENCO dancer. They get to have their cake and eat

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Speaker 1: it too, in like an insane way. Like they get

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Speaker 1: to be a doctor, I think, and also like get

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Speaker 1: to be a free spirit, and it's like so messed up, Sam,

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Speaker 1: that is one of the smartest things you've ever said.

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Speaker 1: It really get to get to get to both be

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Speaker 1: a doctor and be a free spirit. Only a therapist

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Speaker 1: can do that. Get to wear bracelets, and kind of

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01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: a flowy scarf. Yes, yes, you get to wear and

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Speaker 1: and then still called people your patients. Excuse me, here's

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Speaker 1: calf tans and you cope calf tins and coops. Captain.

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Speaker 1: I've heard of jewels and drugs, but captains, captain, nay,

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Speaker 1: this has been an absolute delight. You guys are a dream,

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Speaker 1: I think, as always, as always, and you literally were

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Speaker 1: a co host and in fact carry this podcast on

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Speaker 1: your back. If you had not been here, we would

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Speaker 1: have been lost, we wouldn't have had anything to say.

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Speaker 1: You would have been at each other's throats. It would

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Speaker 1: have just been fighting for an how would have just

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Speaker 1: been yelling at me for not packing and for being

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Speaker 1: obsessed with mark's. Well, I wanted to. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: get the storming out of the way so that we

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Speaker 1: could be norm ing by tonight, when we arrived at

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Speaker 1: midnight ish. I know it is going to be. Okay,

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Speaker 1: get out of here, get off this get off this

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Speaker 1: podcast right now. All Right, okay, bye, bye. The prostact

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Speaker 1: was the proper susas was not a competent proact.