1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercam. I'm a mother of four, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah hart Unger. 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of two and soon to be three 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,159 Speaker 1: and a practicing physician. We are two working parents who 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: love our careers and our families. Welcome to best of 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: both worlds. Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode twenty and we are 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: going to be doing a planner Palooza today. The Planner 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: Palooza episode mostly Sarah's recommendation on how to choose a 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: good planner, use your planner, well how she uses it, 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: because she's the total planner queen. But we're airing this 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: episode in sort of mid late December, so as we're 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: doing this, we're thinking about what we're doing over the 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: holiday breaks. How much time do you guys have off 18 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: from school, Sarah, Our kids have two weeks off, both 19 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: of them, so, but you're gonna be hunkered down in 20 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: Newborn then, yeah, this is not going to be your 21 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: typical leave. I think there's not going to be any travel, 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: And in fact, this is the first episode that we're 23 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: recording where I guarantee I will have had the baby 24 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: by the time that this is airing, So we're going 25 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: to be hunkering down, hanging out. The good news is 26 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: when you live in Miami Beach, a lot of people 27 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: come to you. So my parents are coming down. I 28 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: have a couple of friends, including that guest Chavon from 29 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: one of our earlier episodes. They're going to be coming 30 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: to the area, and so I just hope to spend 31 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: time with family, with the baby and seeing everybody who visits. 32 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: Are you guys traveling? We are. We're going to be 33 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: going skiing in Colorado over part of the break, which 34 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: I don't ski, So this is this is sort of 35 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: not my vacation. We've we've come up with, you know, 36 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: sort of an amicable split of whose vacation preferences get done, 37 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: who does ski, and he really wants the kids to 38 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: ski to The older three are signed up for like groups, 39 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 1: ski lessons or ski school the first two days and 40 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: then they'll ski with him. I think the third and 41 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: fourth day I'm going to be hanging out with the 42 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: little guy in our rental. Are you sure you don't 43 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: want to ski? I know, I think, But what could 44 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:27,839 Speaker 1: I do with him? Though? I don't know. I guess 45 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: I put him at a lot of the ski places 46 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: have daycares, but I've had mixed experiences with them. I mean, 47 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: the daycare you send your kid to during the year 48 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: has an interest in keeping you happy, because like, you're 49 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: there all the time and they see you every day 50 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: for years. I'm not sure that all the ski places 51 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: day cares. They're like, you're gone in three days, what 52 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: do you care? And you have no other options anyway, 53 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: So we've we've not had some awesome experiences in the 54 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: past with them. So I'm gonna just have him with me. 55 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna bring our snowpans and go out and they'll 56 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: play in the snow and I'll bring lots of videos 57 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: and hopefully it won't be too that's fun and maybe 58 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: maybe the year after he'll be old enough to go 59 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: to Yeah, the next year, we have to be three, right, 60 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: So he'll be almost three in late December, and so 61 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: he'll be almost four the next year, and so it's 62 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: really more about definitely. That's definitely study on your feet 63 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: and being potty trained is kind of the big thing 64 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: for he has not yet oh cross that line. It's 65 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: going to be soon, that will say. He actually told 66 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: me the other day, you'll love this. He said, my 67 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: butt is too big for diapers. That's amazing. I know. 68 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: I love that. So I'm like, and I will say, 69 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you had so much experience with potty training obviously, 70 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: but it's funny. I went, I was looking at my 71 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: own blog, as I sometimes do, and I noticed that 72 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: in January of twenty fourteen, I was or twenty sixteen, 73 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, it was this past year. Wow, that's work. 74 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: That's odd. I was like, Cameron's never gonna potty train, 75 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: he has no interest. And then in Februar it was 76 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: like Cameron's potty trains. So yeah, sometimes they just really quickly. 77 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,279 Speaker 1: I assume that's what will happen here because he's almost 78 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: and so he'll just decide to do it. Maybe, but 79 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: if it's that week while we're on vacation, that'll be awkward, 80 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: so we'll stay. Oh, but that might be a good 81 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: use of funny. So our main segment this week we're 82 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: talking planners, and so one of the things I've always 83 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: loved about the Shoe Box Blog is is Sarah's planner, 84 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: Uh interest obsession. We can just say obsessions. Okay, I'll 85 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: talk for the next thirty minutes. Oh my goodness. No. 86 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: I really really like planners, and I think that's that 87 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: speaks to I really really like being intentional with my time, 88 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: and I find them the best tool for me to 89 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: help me do that. So I really I've used planners 90 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: for for decades now and I don't know how I 91 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: would function without them. And it always boggles my mind 92 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: when I see a patient leave my office and I say, Okay, 93 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: get the labs done in four months, two weeks prior 94 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: to the visit, and please have your handex ray done 95 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: a week prior to the visit, and they don't write 96 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: anything down, and I think, well, that's never going to happen, 97 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: and to be honest, like often it doesn't. So my 98 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: medical system actually has started to call people, but the 99 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: ones who write it down, I know it's going to happen. 100 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: So for to me, it's like the difference between life 101 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: that feels very in control and very deliberate and life 102 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: that just I don't know how people get through the day, 103 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: so it's become quite an obsession, and I really enjoy 104 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: the aesthetics of the process as well, I will admit, 105 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: so I will be happy to talk about some of 106 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: the different systems I have used over the years and 107 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: how things have evolved. Okay, So I began, I would say, 108 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: in the early two thousands using Exa Kompta planners, which 109 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: still exist and they're made with really smooth paper and 110 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: you can still buy them online. My layout of choice 111 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: was one what's called the Space twenty four, which had 112 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: on the left side all of the days of the 113 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: week on the right side of blank page. So I 114 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: guess that was sort of an early I knew I 115 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: really liked having a list for the week. I liked 116 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: having space to free form and write things down. But 117 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: they also had monthly pages which were helpful for long 118 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: range planning, as I'll get to. So that was sort 119 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: of my first iteration, and I would say I use 120 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: that from the early two thousands until around maybe two 121 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: thousand and eight or so, and then one of my 122 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: best friends is also super into planners, literally like we 123 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: write the dorkiest emails to each other I'm gonna leave 124 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: her nameless, but she probably is hearing this and knows yes. 125 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: And I think she got me into this like bizarre 126 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: Korean company that I had to order off of eBay, 127 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: and I don't even remember what they were called, but 128 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: they were a little bit more free form, a little 129 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: bit more spaces so that I could kind of customize 130 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: a little bit more. And then she also introduced me 131 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: to the Aaron Kondrun Planners, which are have a bit 132 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: of a cult like following. They're an American company and 133 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: they are very colorful and sort of happy looking, and 134 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: they have an interesting layout on the weekly part where 135 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 1: there's three boxes for every day and you can customize 136 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: those however you want, so I became kind of intricate 137 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: in how I like to do that. However, it all 138 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: kind of came I think I've found what we call 139 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: planner piece. In twenty fourteen, when I used to read 140 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: this blog called Plannerisms, because yeah, why wouldn't you if 141 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: you were me, and she featured something called the Hobo 142 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: ni Chi Techo Techho. I'm still I think it is. 143 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: It actually should be tetchho if you're going to pronounce 144 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: fanatically in Japanese, but in my brain it's Techo, so 145 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: whatever you may hear me say both. And she showed 146 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: a model called the Cousin that they have that had daily, weekly, monthly, 147 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: and yearly pages. And I had never seen a system 148 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: that was so all encompassing, because usually if you want 149 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: a weekly, you're not going to have a daily, and 150 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: if you want to mind like, you're not usually going 151 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: to get all three of those things in one place. 152 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: And that is when I've think I really got to 153 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: the full when they heard it out right, exactly exactly, 154 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: and that's what I've been using ever since, actually various 155 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: iterations of that system, and it's worked really really well 156 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: for me. Do you have to just practically, Yeah, they're Japanese, right, 157 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: and you have to order them from Japan. You have 158 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: to order them from Japan, but they're English there. They 159 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: have a big American following too, and they know that. 160 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: So the website is in English, and I mean there's 161 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: a version of the website in English. There's obviously a 162 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: version in Japanese. The only things the prices are in 163 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: yend so you have to like use your Google calculator 164 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: to make sure you're not buying something exorbitant and they 165 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: started April though, or do they start January. I know 166 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: that you always remember that detail. They have both. They 167 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: have January start planners, and I think it's March or April. 168 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: There's a spring start, because I guess traditionally that's sort 169 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: of like the big and that makes sense because seasons, 170 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 1: you know, everything's growing and starting in the spring. But 171 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: I will admit I prefer my planners to start in 172 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: January and sync with the rest of the world. And 173 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: the one that I like actually is not offered in English. 174 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: It's in Japanese, but if you visit my blog you'll 175 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: see some shots of it. The Japanese is pretty unobtrusive, honestly, 176 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: because you can see the months, you can see the days. 177 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: It's mostly numbers. So it sounds more intimidating than it 178 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: is to have your planner in Japanese because obviously I 179 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: don't speak a word of Japanese, so and I find 180 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: the system completely usable, so that part is not as 181 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: much as of a barrier as one might think. But 182 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: what they do have is a lot of features that 183 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: I use like crazy, and I will say I'll give 184 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: a shout out to the whole bullet journaling community, because 185 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: that is a thing that's become popular in the last 186 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: few years, and I became interested in it to some extent. 187 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: I actually had an instagram that still exists, you can 188 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: check it out called shoe Box Underscore Plans, and I 189 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: was experimenting with some bullet journaling type techniques. But what 190 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: a bullet journal is sort of a free form planner 191 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: that you customize yourself and do you do each page 192 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: to your liking. You actually design your own week spreads, 193 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: so you're not using pre printed boxes. But I quickly 194 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: figured out that this was not going to work for 195 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: me because A I'm way too much of a perfectionist. 196 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: Like if I were to design a weekly page and 197 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: then one box was smaller than the other, which it 198 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: would be because I'm not that great of an artist, 199 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: it would drive me nuts. And B I don't have 200 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: time to do that because it would be a like 201 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: a burden for me to feel like I had to 202 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: draw out my week every week. So I would much 203 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: rather use some bullet journal free form concepts, but use 204 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: them on the perfectly laid out pages that are in 205 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, commercially available planners. But it is a really cool. 206 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: If you look at various bullet journaling sites or Instagram feeds, 207 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: you can get a lot of inspirations of cool things 208 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: to track or different ways people have laid things out. 209 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: And I will say that things can get pretty over 210 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: the top. I like my planners to be fairly very functional. 211 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: I want them to be neat, like the aesthetics do 212 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: matter to me, but I'm not all about, you know, 213 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: fifty sets of stickers and themes. And my my planner 214 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: nerd friends says that that makes me a unique voice 215 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: in the planner sphere because I do have this obsession, 216 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: but most of the people that have the obsession are 217 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: all about the decorating, and I'm much more about the 218 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: content and the function. So it sounds like they're kind 219 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: of using their planners almost as like scrap books. It's 220 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: a different sort of yeah, and there could be a 221 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: role for that, but yes, that's exactly it. Some people 222 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: are using it as scrap books or I don't know, 223 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: almost like trading cards, like you want to show each 224 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: other what you're doing because it's really pretty, or artwork 225 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: and artistic outlet. But I don't really I see it. 226 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: There's much more. FEE just need to get stuff done. Basically, 227 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: I want to get stuff done. I want it to 228 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: look nice. I want to help me like organize my 229 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: thinking around how I spend my time. But yeah, the 230 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: primary goal is not the planner itself. And I do 231 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: dispose of my planner. I recycle that I'm gonna shread 232 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: them at the end of the year, so it's not 233 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: like I'm creating some timeless memento. I'm using it for now, 234 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: all right, So tell us about the features that you 235 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: use and how you use them. So the monthly so 236 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: in the Hopunichi. Again, I have a lot of features 237 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: that I can use, and I really do. Whoever designed 238 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: this thing had a really good sense of any possible 239 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: way that you one might want to use a paper planner, 240 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: and I take advantage of many of them. There are 241 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: monthly calendar pages, just like there are in most planners, 242 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: and I tend to use those for big picture stuff. 243 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: So the call schedules, so when we're going to be 244 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: on call, planning out when we might fit in trips 245 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: for big advents. I don't bother to stick in my 246 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: daily appointments on the monthly pages. That's way too much work. 247 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: But in terms of blocking out big chunks of time 248 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: and knowing when Josh or I might be on call. 249 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: They're very important, and actually, since I went eighty percent time, 250 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: I did use them to design kind of the exact 251 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: balance of my clinical versus off time versus gmy time, 252 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: so I've used them for that as well. Then there 253 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: are these daily pages, and on the daily pages, I 254 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: write out the day's logistics, and I tend to, as 255 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: I've mentioned in a prior episode, do a lot of 256 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: my deep work planning in the morning, so I will 257 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: write through kind of how the flow of the day 258 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: is going to work when I'm going to have patients 259 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: I might have. And by the way, I do keep 260 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: patient data out of there, but that doesn't mean I 261 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't write an anonymous note like call hyperinsulinism patient about 262 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: X Y or Z, because I'll know who I'm talking about. 263 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: But I do feel like it could be dangerous to 264 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: put actual patient data in because we could get in 265 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: trouble for that, so I keep it anonymous. And I 266 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: also make checkboxes for every patient note that I have 267 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: to write unlabeled because it just makes me feel so 268 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: good like I'm getting through it. As the day goes on, 269 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: I also track habits on the daily pages. So at 270 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: the top of the hopin EG pages, there are these 271 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: little checkboxes which I find perfect for checking off like 272 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: my pre neial vitamin and tracking time right now, which 273 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: is a habit that I'm trying to cultivate. And yeah, 274 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: we'll have to I'll have to add some visuals to 275 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: a blog post to go with this so you guys 276 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: can see what I'm talking about. But the daily pages 277 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: are pretty full by the time the day is done, 278 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: and they definitely lay out my attention intentions for the 279 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: day at the start. Then there are weekly pages, and 280 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: that's where the meat of my tracking to do items goes. 281 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: So for example, when I mentioned my patients, you know, 282 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: if I've instructed them to do certain labs or studies 283 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: prior to an appointment in a few months. If I 284 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: get that kind of instruction, I just go to whatever 285 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: week that is and put a box in it. So 286 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: it's a long range and short range and I pull 287 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: both from kind of my long range planning adjunctive system 288 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: that I'll talk about as well, and the kind of 289 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: stuff like that, Like I literally just put a box. 290 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:58,359 Speaker 1: In February twenty eighteen, that said book kids dentist appointments 291 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: for May, because I knew by then i'd have my 292 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: work schedule. But right now I don't have my work schedule. 293 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: But if I just wait till I think of it 294 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: like what a burden a and be unrealistic, like I 295 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: would just forget and then it I'd be, oh, how 296 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: many months just went by since my kids went to 297 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: the dentists. So the weekly is like the meat of 298 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: all the to do type stuff. And then I also 299 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: tend to plan out my running for the week, like 300 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: what days I plan to run or work out, and 301 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: I put dinner plans on there as well, and that's 302 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: just sort of habit, like for meal planning. And I 303 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: also for next year, I'm going to try to put 304 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: Josh's workout schedule so that we can kind of make 305 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: sure that we have determined that we can both realistically 306 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: do what we want to do with our you know, 307 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: many children and baby et cetera. And by the way, 308 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: my schedule is not going to be ambitious, but it's 309 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: going to exist. And then finally, there's these blank pages 310 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: in the beginning of each month in this particular planner, 311 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: and I use those to set up habits and goals 312 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: and kind of note any big events for each month. 313 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: So I don't do yearly resolutions. I tend to do 314 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: monthly and I always kind of write them out on 315 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: those pages. So yeah, those are the main features that 316 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: I use in the planner itself. But then there are accessories. Yes, 317 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: there are accessories. So I've mentioned before I love the 318 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: David Allen's Getting Things Done concepts. I don't use his 319 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: system exactly, but I've definitely borrowed from some of the 320 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: way I think about the future and kind of keep 321 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: track of various projects. And so what I figured out 322 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: is I have added like a very thin notebook. I 323 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: mean it's it's it's super thin, like it's shocking that 324 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: it lasted all year, but it has very thin pages 325 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: that tucks into the planner itself where I keep track 326 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: of all kinds of project lists, and that's how I 327 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: can kind of decide intentionally what's going to go on 328 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: those weekly to do lists and then finally the daily lists. 329 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: So you know, just a few examples of what's in 330 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: there is what's called projects lists, so sort of big 331 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: things I have going on, and I divide them into 332 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: a work one and a rest of life one. I 333 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: have monthly updated next actions lists, which are that's directly 334 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: from David Allen. It's a way of deciding sort of 335 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: what you want to do next. He doesn't propose doing 336 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: them on a monthly basis, but that's what's worked for me. 337 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: I have a Sunday Maybe list, which I think is 338 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: similar to some of Laura's cool seasonal bucket lists, which 339 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: we'll talk about as well. And there's also in there 340 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: my own checklist for what I want to look at 341 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: each week and each month. And as I wrote them 342 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: at the beginning of this year, I thought, oh ha, 343 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: I'll just like put these in here, But I've ended 344 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: up referring to them every single month because I've noted 345 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: that when I actually do go through them, it helps 346 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: me to know exactly what's going on, so I'll tell 347 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: you what's on them. I can also share photos of these, 348 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: but on my weekly one here the page is flipping 349 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: here sound effects. I have review my project's list, review 350 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: my next actions list, and add to the weekly list 351 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: anything targeted for the week. To empty my physical inboxes, 352 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: so I have like a mail shelf that I really 353 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 1: don't touch except for weekly, and then a thing on 354 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: my desk that I empty weekly, empty my Gmail, which 355 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: I know Laura is agast at, but it really doesn't 356 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: take that long and it makes me feel better. Plan workouts, meals, 357 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: and any needed childcare, and then review the plan with Josh. 358 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: So that's the weekly review one and then the monthly 359 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: review one is to number one review the prior month's goals. 360 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: Number two reconcile our budget and we use that budgeting 361 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: app I had mentioned. You need a budget. Number three 362 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: review with Josh any big upcoming events. Number four identify 363 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: the next actions for the new month. Number five set 364 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: up any habit goals for the month, and number six 365 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: obtain any needed childcare for the month. So I know 366 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: that if I do the weekly one at the end 367 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: of the week and the monthly one at the end 368 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: of the month, I am pretty so, Sarah, just practical 369 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: question here. Does the whole planner system come with you 370 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: to work every day or yeah? And it's not as 371 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: big as you might be a bit, No, not at all. 372 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: It's I mean it's this, it's like smaller than I 373 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: guess it's the size of your average small novel. I 374 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: mean it's not big. And I'm actually going to try 375 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: an even smaller one for next year. And when I 376 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: this notebook, I mean, it's amazing because it's kept all 377 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: of twenty seventeen stuff and it's like it looks like 378 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: a tiny pamphlet. There's something really great about the paper 379 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: that the Hopennichi company uses that's it's like this Japanese 380 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: Tomo River paper that makes their stuff not take up 381 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: a lot of space. So I really love that about 382 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: their stuff. So you could non sponsor just bring the 383 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: whole with you every day and it's yep, just tuck 384 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: it and I bring it just goes in my bag. 385 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: But it's it's not it's really not that huge. It 386 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: sounds much huger than it is. And in that little 387 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: slim notebook that I mentioned, I also keep sort of 388 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: some and this is where I got a bit inspired 389 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: by that bullet journal community. Like I'll track books read 390 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: in the year. I've tracked books that I've read with Annabel, 391 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: like chapter books that we've done at night movies. And 392 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: I track my rvus, which are sort of productivity units 393 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: that physicians used to show like how many patients they're seeing. 394 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: Because I wanted to see how that would change after 395 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: I went to eighty percent time, et cetera. I will 396 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: track new restaurants we've tried so I can remember them. 397 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: And I've even put things like running training plans in 398 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: there at times when I've been training, which I am 399 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: obviously currently not. Wow, well that's a lot. It's a lot. 400 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: It's it's it really really works for me though, and 401 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: I it's it's almost funny. I'm sort of sad that 402 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: I feel like I've I've found the system, because tinkering 403 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: with the system is part of the fun of the system. 404 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: But I don't I don't know that that much more 405 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: needs to change. So if we have like people who 406 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: don't really use you know, have not gone to the 407 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: dark side and these elaborate planners yet, I mean, is 408 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: there any really like entry point planner that you would 409 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: recommend that Yeah, you know, it's so funny. But when 410 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: I went back and looked at that Exacompta planner, just 411 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it really doesn't matter. There are so many 412 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,719 Speaker 1: beautiful planners out there right now. I can name several, 413 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: like so the day Designer are very pretty for daily pages. 414 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: There's a company called Inkual Press that is run female 415 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: owned and run, and they have a number of useful products. 416 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: Aaron Kndun planners are super accessible and they now have 417 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: hardback planners, not just the spiral type. There's a new 418 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: company called Golden Coil where you can customize your own 419 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: and that may sound complicated, but actually you just go 420 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: to their website and you're able to kind of decide 421 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: what pages you'd like in your planner. We're really just 422 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, Target actually has a lot of sort of 423 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: if you just want to try something without much of 424 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: a commitment. They have some budget versions of these quote unquote, 425 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: like fancy designer planners, like for the days as day 426 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: Designer is one example. So I don't necessarily know that 427 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: it matters what tools you use. You can definitely have 428 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: a lot of fun with great and I do feel 429 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: like the stuff I use is awesome in its own right, 430 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: but it's it's not necessary. You can you can plan 431 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: really well with pretty minimal supplies as you do. But 432 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: what does Josh use. I'm curious actually he has. He 433 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: is not as much of a natural planner as I am, 434 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: but he he is. I have influenced him and he 435 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: has this little arc system that he got at Staples 436 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 1: where it allows him to he's he's able to like 437 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: insert pages and remove pages, and it's kind of He 438 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: actually uses a lot of the getting things done methodology too, 439 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: and he also does use Google Calendar on the on 440 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: on his phone and on the computer, which, by the way, 441 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: I have nothing against digital systems. I just find that 442 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: for me, I am not able to integrate them as well, 443 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: and I'm not able to input things as quickly and 444 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: have it. I mean, it's it's crazy because I know 445 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: we're surrounded by screens, but my planner is always either 446 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: on my desk at work, or on my desk at 447 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: home or in my back So I don't find the 448 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: accessibility to be the art because people say, oh, my 449 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: phone's always with me, but it's like you have to 450 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: launch the app and you have to open it and 451 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: then like, oh what a homeie phone or the batteries off, 452 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: and it takes me much longer to input events on 453 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: those digital systems. So but I haven't gone that way, 454 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: but he likes it. I mean, when your office is 455 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: getting patient schedules stuff, I mean, so how does that, Oh, 456 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: that's totally different. That's I mean, we have an electronic 457 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,239 Speaker 1: medical record, but I don't need to track that's not 458 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: like personal stuff that I need to try. That's like 459 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: I know what we can't work and then yes, exactly 460 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: once I'm at work, like my my my clinical to 461 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: do list and patient systey is all in the electronic 462 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: medical record and it needs to be cloistered away like 463 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: that because again that's protected like private health information, and 464 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: that system is designed specifically for that. But you know 465 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: that I don't. I'm the only thing that I would 466 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: say like that. I I track work projects that are 467 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: not patient related on paper, and I track the number 468 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: of rvus meaning like the value units that I see 469 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: on paper. But other than that, there's like those are 470 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: two separate worlds. Yeah, So I think that's what a 471 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: lot of people wind up with, you know, questions about 472 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: how to do it. Not that they're in the medical world, 473 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: but you know, they have their electronic calendar at work 474 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: like outlook or whatever that their assistants putting stuff on. 475 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: Their colleagues is putting stuff on. How they integrate that 476 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: with a paper planning system, and so I think I 477 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: have that too. I do have that though, like so 478 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: for non clinical things, for like GM type stuff. But 479 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: I have found that that because so my work uses outlook. 480 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: My husband sometimes uses Google, you know, then I'll get 481 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: like a random birthday invite on paper. Like for me, 482 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: I will put all the meetings and stuff, and it 483 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: helps that I'm not the kind of person who has 484 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: like ten meetings a day. Okay, we're talking maybe three 485 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: or four meetings a week that are put onto my 486 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: outdow calendar. They go into my paper planners so I 487 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: can see, oh, is that on my day off? Is 488 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: that on the day I already volunteered for school? Oh 489 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: josh it, you know, for me, the paper will integrate 490 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: that stuff. So non clinical off that comes through work 491 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: outlook actually does make it onto paper, and it takes 492 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: a second. It really is not. But I think that's 493 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: what nudges a lot of people into doing their personal 494 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: lives on electronic things is in order to keep it that, 495 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: you know, so their assistant doesn't put something on the 496 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: day they volunteered at their kids' school, right that that 497 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: have that got work life integration that they have to 498 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: keep it. The work won't change, so they have to 499 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: put it on what's been electronically dictated at work. So 500 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: that's interesting. That's a good point. Yeah, I don't have 501 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: like my days off in our outlooks. So if I 502 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: get an invite to something, then but then I sort 503 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: of have the the chance to decide, Okay, is this 504 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: important enough that I shouldn't take my day off or 505 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: is this not important? And I can just like decline 506 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: the invite. I do a lot of declining sometimes it 507 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: depends on the season. Some people don't even know you 508 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: can do a lot of you're allowed to. Yeah, I 509 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: do a lot of accepting too. Don't get me wrong. 510 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,719 Speaker 1: There are plenty of meetings and things. But I'm I. 511 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: You know, if it happens to be, for example, on 512 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: the day of my preschool Thanksgiving that I had already 513 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: committed to going to, then yeah, yes, yeah, no, I 514 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: have pretty budget. I have not crossed over to the 515 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: dark side on that. Somebody actually gave me an Aaron 516 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: Condron planner as a as a gift reset. But I'm not. 517 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: You know, when you have a system that works for you, like, 518 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: don't change it. And I support known people who's like, well, 519 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: I should go to an electronic system because that's the 520 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: way of the modern world or something. But no, if 521 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: you have to be a system, you'll trust yourself to 522 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: look at and to be fully accountable for that, like 523 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: everything is on there, because if you don't have that, 524 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: then then it's useless. Like then you're still thinking about stuff. 525 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: And that's the whole point of the planner, is that 526 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: you're not thinking about it, that you're not having to 527 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: think in February. Did I set that dentist appointment for May? 528 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: Because you won't remember it or it'll just make you 529 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: tense thinking about stuff like that. So I mean my 530 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: planning system is, you know, I guess not high end 531 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: in the sense of I just have a notebook that 532 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: I use. I have some preferences with it, Like I 533 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: wanted the cover not to be you know, completely like 534 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: paper terrible easy. So right now there's just this thing 535 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: called Notes Cambridge Edition. But I got it from Cambridge. Yeah, 536 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: I get it. I got it from Target, right Like 537 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: it's it's definitely Target. But I like the college ruled 538 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: page and I like using my paper mate and joy 539 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: pen and that. You know. The way I plan I 540 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: make yearly sort of goals and sort of big ideas 541 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: of things I want to do in my life, set 542 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: quarterly goals based on that. But the real meat of 543 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: my planning tends to happen both on my calendar, which 544 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: is a day mind or weekly thing. It's got to 545 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: be weekly. It's got to be pocket sized because I 546 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: carried around in my person. But anything that is time specific, 547 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 1: I put on as soon as I know what it is. 548 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: And I would recommend you know, you get your kids 549 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: school schedules a long time in advance. I mean most 550 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: districts will post them like two years ahead of time 551 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: that you know they have to set their teacher schedules 552 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: and everything. So you can actually find out what your 553 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: winter break is in twenty nineteen, and if you'd like 554 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: it off, consider this a public service announcement to go 555 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: find those days so you can put in for them 556 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: when you are needing to do that. So there's that 557 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: you can so I put time specific stuff on there 558 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: as soon as I know what it is. My notebook 559 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: is separate. It is a sort of normal sized notebook. 560 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: I plan for the week. I tend to plan on 561 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: Friday afternoons, sometimes Thursday if I've gotten through a lot 562 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: of stuff early, but plan on Friday looking to the 563 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: next week, saying what do I want to get done? 564 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: What do I want to get done? Professionally, what do 565 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: I want to get done personally, both family stuff, friend 566 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: stuff for me, and then I list those priorities out 567 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: and then I get a sense of what's already on 568 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: my calendar and when I would like to schedule stuff 569 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: on the calendar. I think through the weekends. Ideally I've 570 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: thought through the weekends a little bit more ahead of time, 571 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: but the plan is often rough earlier in the week 572 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: and then I firm it up by Friday, so I can, 573 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: you know, make sure everyone's to go on that. But yeah, 574 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: that's basically my planner process. It is not neat looking. 575 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I just put the date of the week 576 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: on the top of the page and then I write 577 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: the list of things that need to get done my 578 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: top priorities. So I don't list every single thing, because 579 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: some stuff I'll do anyway. But you know, it's like, 580 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: what's going up on the blog, what are we doing 581 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: on the podcast? Where am I in my different book projects? 582 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: You know, what's speaking gigs? Do I have coming up 583 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: that I need to practice for? And that's basically what 584 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: it looks like. It sounds actually not that different from 585 00:29:52,600 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: what I do, just not as obsessively aesthetically, which maybe 586 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: my desk being a bit of a mess and all 587 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: that that stuff, but yeah, you know, if it works 588 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: for you, it works. Yeah, yes, And I think that 589 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: the whole like whether you need your surface is clear. 590 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's got to be one 591 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: of those like dichotomies. You know, you either you do 592 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: or you don't. We need to come out with why 593 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: I can, like my in box zero and yeah, some 594 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: sort of like yeah, you're right, we need to. We 595 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: need to. We need Gretchen Rubin out what we divide 596 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: all humanity into two categories with? Yeah, well cool, so 597 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: that's our our planner palooza. Should we go from that 598 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: into our love of the week? Yeah, our love of 599 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: the week. Yes, except well two things. Number one, I 600 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: want you to talk about your season. Oh yes, I forgot. 601 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,479 Speaker 1: And number number two, I always get this question on 602 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: my blog and elsewhere, so I'm just gonna answer it, 603 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: which is like, what are your favorite tools to use 604 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: with your planners? Like toys and and I actually don't 605 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: use that many, so it's not a terribly long answer, 606 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: but I have a Uniball jet Stream three, which is 607 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: just a fancy ballpoint pen. It's nothing crazy, but it 608 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: comes with the planner and you can buy them on 609 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: jet pens or Amazon or anywhere. That's what I used 610 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: to write, So it's not terribly fancy. But I will 611 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: say the Mildliner line of highlighters that they have a 612 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: dual tip. One is like a highlighter tip. On the 613 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: other side is a fine tip. It's sort of a 614 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: very sheer marker. They're the best. They're really good for 615 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, making it colorful without necessarily going 616 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: over the top. It's still pretty, you know, subtle looking, 617 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: I guess, but you can add emphasis where you need to. 618 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: And I do like the Stetler tripless fine liner pens 619 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: as if I need again, like if I'm creating something 620 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: that needs to have more color emphasis. And I don't 621 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: do this all the time. It's like when I'm really 622 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: trying to map something out and I want that color coding, 623 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: for example a call schedule, they're really helpful. And that's 624 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: pretty much it. I just see a note about washy tape, 625 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: and so you have to explain that, oh, yeah, that's true. Well, 626 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: the only stickers I use are these very minimal like 627 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: see through like circles that you can get on the 628 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: hope and each you website to kind of highlight specific dates. 629 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: And then washy tape is just fancy paper tape with 630 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: a decoration potentially on it. And again I said, I'm 631 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: not one of those people that people like cover every 632 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: page with them, and it looks in my mind just 633 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: too cluttery. But every once in a while, it's like 634 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: there's a special day, I'll sort of use that to 635 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,719 Speaker 1: i don't know, mark the page, or I'll use it 636 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: to tape something to the page. Like my somehow my 637 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: my weekly review list and my monthly review lists ended 638 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: up on different pa maybe I migrated them from the 639 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: year before. And so it looks cute because so that 640 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: one other source of sort of frivolous color that I 641 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: sometimes put on the pages. And yeah, washy tape just 642 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: means colored paper tape. Well, so the seasonal fun lists 643 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: that you asked about, they so right now I've been 644 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: doing I've been doing summer holiday season for a couple 645 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: of years, and then this year I threw in Fall 646 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: fun just to you know, really celebrate the fall season. 647 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: But this is more for there are certain activities that 648 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: are best done in certain seasons, even they're only then, 649 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: like going to visit Santa, or you know, picking apples 650 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: or something, and you have some time on weekends or 651 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: days off or whatever, and it's always to question what 652 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: are we going to do with it? And you can 653 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: wind up doing a lot of the same things over 654 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: and over again, and that can be fun. And there's 655 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: you know, different things different weeks, with birthday parties and 656 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: all that. But sometimes it's fun to feel like I 657 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: really got the most out of a certain season, Like, 658 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,719 Speaker 1: you know, did I do the things in the summer 659 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: that make summer feel like summer to me? Or did 660 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: I do the things in the holiday that make me 661 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: feel like I really celebrated this festive season. Or so 662 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: I make these lists. They usually probably have about, you know, 663 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: depending on the ambition for the year, eight to twelve 664 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: things on them, and those are the things I want 665 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: to do during that season. And then I keep looking 666 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: at that list and say, will do it? Get those 667 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: things done? And the good thing is it does nudge 668 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: me sometimes to do first to think about what I'd 669 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: like to do and what my family would like to do, 670 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: and then if I do have some time that's available 671 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: to actually you know, come up with the cool stuff 672 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: to do with it. So like for the Fall Fund list, 673 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: which we recently finished. I had wanted to take two 674 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: day trips to places that are, you know, like an 675 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: hour and a half from here, but have really pretty 676 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: color and natural stuff. And so through some careful scheduling, 677 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: I was able to have you know, two days in 678 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,439 Speaker 1: October late October that did not have anything else on them, 679 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: so I could take advantage of working for myself and 680 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: actually go do these day trips by myself and enjoy 681 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: biking in some really cool areas, running in some really 682 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: cool areas, And so I felt like I'd really enjoyed 683 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: some personal fun time in the fall because I had 684 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: this list and because I was thinking about it. So 685 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: you thought you might do a seasonal fun list this 686 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: coming year, Sarah, I don't know. I'm like, you know, 687 00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: our seasons are, that's true. Miami has been like everyone's 688 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 1: getting all basically no, but for real, everyone's getting all cozy, 689 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 1: and that's actually our sort of outdoor season, our best 690 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: time to go to the zoo or to go to 691 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: the gardens. So maybe I will, because I probably should 692 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: try to embrace I've gotten a little curmudgeonly about our 693 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: endless summer, which I didn't expect prior to moving here. 694 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: But maybe if I really do embrace the subtle changes 695 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: that we have with some lists, that might help. So 696 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 1: maybe I'll think about doing that for next year. Now. 697 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: Love of the Week, Yeah, I can start my Love 698 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,959 Speaker 1: of the Week. That's a you know, on the planning front. 699 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: It's not planning, it's more retrospective. But I have this 700 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: Runners World training log and they just send it to 701 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: you free if you subscribe to the magazine, so it's 702 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: pretty workhorse type thing, nothing fancy about it. But it 703 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 1: just has like a spot for the date, a spot 704 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,800 Speaker 1: for how much you ran, I guess if you're tracking 705 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: miles or minutes or anything like that, and then a 706 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,320 Speaker 1: spot for notes. And it's many, many pages, so you 707 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: can basically you can get through a whole year on 708 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: one of them. At least maybe more I haven't looked, 709 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: And yeah, that's how I track my runs and that 710 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: that works for me. That's all I need to track. 711 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: And the funny thing is I can't. I only started 712 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: doing that every day tracking it in February this year, 713 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: which I was running for about two months every day 714 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: prior to actually track it, so I have like no 715 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: record of the first two months of the running streak 716 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: except for what's on my time so do they can Yeah, 717 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, you know, I did run them, 718 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: but but if I was adding out my annual total 719 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: of mileage, I'm gonna have to go back and see 720 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: if I wrote it down on my time logs, which 721 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I did, So we'll see, we'll see. 722 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: Do you not have a watch that tracks well? So 723 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: I can't phone? But I don't always have my phone 724 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: with me when I run, like I don't have my 725 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: phone on the treadmill with me and that so I 726 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't have written those down. And I don't think the 727 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: treadmills recording it anywhere. It's not that kind of program thing. 728 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: Well that brings me to my level this week, and 729 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: maybe maybe it could be your level of the week 730 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: someday too. But I have a garment running watch. It's 731 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: it's actually from a couple a year and a half ago. 732 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: I think I got in April of twenty sixteen. It's 733 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: the two thirty five Forerunner, and it will track everything 734 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,760 Speaker 1: and then just uploads it immediately, and that includes treadable workouts, 735 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: which is so cool because I feel like I like 736 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: getting that credit and it's funny. I don't that is 737 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: one of the few things I don't really track on paper. 738 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: But it's really fun to go at the end of 739 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,760 Speaker 1: the year and look, ooh this, look how many miles 740 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,839 Speaker 1: I ran. Now, of course, this year is not going 741 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: to be a banner year due to being pregnant the 742 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 1: entire year basically, but or at least it feels that way. 743 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: But but yeah, I really I love this watch. I 744 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: don't know what I would do without it. It's mostly yeah, 745 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm I guess maybe I'll just feel 746 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: generally low tech person. I've because I've gotten various tracker 747 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: type things in the past, like fitbits and whatever. I 748 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: don't know, it's just I I found the fitbit annoying 749 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: because I was sort of I felt pressure. But this 750 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: doesn't pressure me. But it's it's great. It's just you know, automatically, 751 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,040 Speaker 1: I just press start when I run, you know. So 752 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: it's fun. But I could see how the journal would 753 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: do the exact same thing, and then you could always 754 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: make your own data sheets with Excel or whatever if 755 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 1: you really wanted to. So then our Q and A. Yeah, 756 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: so I had a lot of readers right in after 757 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: either after the podcast where we talked about tracking time, 758 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,800 Speaker 1: or perhaps maybe it was a blog post, but anyway, 759 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: people were saying, oh, I want to do it, but 760 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: I can't stick to it for any meaningful length of time, 761 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: and do we have any additional tips? And I will 762 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: update and say that I actually have been tracking time 763 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: for maybe a month. I don't know. It's I guess 764 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: it's easy to lose track when you're tracking that, and 765 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: I've moved it. I actually was doing in this little 766 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 1: notebook and then I just moved it to my planner 767 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: because I figured, hey, I have that with me all 768 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: the time. And for me, the key has been don't 769 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: let better be the enemy of good, which means it's 770 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: a very imperfect track. And a lot of times I'm 771 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: doing it the next morning and looking back because I 772 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,439 Speaker 1: just don't have the energy to put it on paper 773 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: at night. But it's better than nothing. I can see 774 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,080 Speaker 1: when I went to bed. I can see when I, 775 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, wasting time on Instagram or whatever, and because 776 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 1: I usually remember generally and yeah, so for me, it's 777 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: been just like be minimal and then it works. I 778 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: think that's a good idea in general. What about you. 779 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,839 Speaker 1: I mean, because the point is not to know how 780 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: you spend every single minute, Like I don't care when 781 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: I went to the bathroom, like in the course of 782 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: the day, like this's not something I need to or 783 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: I got up and got a snack, like if I 784 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 1: was tracking calories, maybe then I'd want to know that. 785 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: But you know, it's more about getting a rough sense 786 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,240 Speaker 1: of where the time went, so you can see broader patterns, 787 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: see if you like how you're using your time, seeing 788 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: if you're making time for the things that are important 789 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: to you, or if anything's taking way more time than 790 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: you thought. Particularly as a self employed person, that's important 791 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: because you know, if you've built you've you know, build 792 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,919 Speaker 1: a project wrong in the sense of you didn't ask 793 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 1: for enough money and it takes more time than you 794 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: thought it that you want to know that, right, So 795 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: I recommend it for those those practical reasons. Yeah. No, 796 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: just it doesn't have to be perfect. I mean, most 797 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: the entries ice spreadsheets, most of the entries on mine 798 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: say stuff like work, and if I want to know 799 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: specific projects, I might put the name of the project, 800 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 1: or then I'd say kids, clean up, sleep, read, you know, drive, 801 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: like those are the categories basically, and so it doesn't 802 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: take that much effort to write them down. I think 803 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,760 Speaker 1: where people go arise and they're trying to be too 804 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: granular about it, I think good enough. Yeah, like I've 805 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: read eighteen pages of real symbol and then I switched 806 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: to you know, cooking. Le t is not that interested 807 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: in of my life, you know. So yeah, and maybe 808 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: every Some people do well with having some sort of 809 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: trigger that reminds them to write down what they've done 810 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: since the last trigger. So, I mean, it could be 811 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: if you're sitting at your desk, like when you get 812 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 1: up to take a bathroom break, I may say you 813 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: don't have to track that, but that could be the 814 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: time that you then write stuff down. Or it could 815 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: be that you do it at lunch, you do it 816 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you do it before 817 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: you go to bed, right, that would be three times 818 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,839 Speaker 1: you can remember what you did since the last time. 819 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: If you do it three times a day, maybe I 820 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: should commit to that. I have trouble at the end 821 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: of the day doing anything though, Even that you do 822 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: it in the morning, I could probably Yeah, I'll do 823 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: as long as you maybe morning and then like when 824 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: I get home from work, and those two would be 825 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: enough to couple together the important points. Yeah, but I 826 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: found it worthwhile. So I don't know people here all. 827 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting and I'm just really interested to 828 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,280 Speaker 1: kind of see how things change as we have different 829 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: age kids and as we had the baby. And yeah, 830 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: I think that's why I'm doing it now, sort of 831 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: for the before people before and after us exactly. No, 832 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 1: I mean I can see from that. I tracked my 833 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: time occasionally here and there over the years, and I 834 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: tracked my time in winter or early spring of twenty fourteen. 835 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: It was before I got pregnant with my fourth child, 836 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: and so I had my daughter was like two, not 837 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: even two and a half at that time, and I 838 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: can see that she was just sleeping better than my 839 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: two year old and my life front then it does. 840 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: So it's just it helped me see it's not all 841 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,879 Speaker 1: in my head like that, this is actually you know sometimes, Yeah, 842 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: I can see how that would be useful. I read 843 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: my own blog sometimes for that particular reason, like image 844 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: sugarcoating this, and then someone's the answer is, yeah, yeah 845 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: you are, because actually you were complaining like create like myself, 846 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: you know, So it's interesting so this is just another 847 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,720 Speaker 1: another mode. Well, this has been our Planner Palooza Episode twenty. 848 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: Hopefully Sarah's going to post photos of her various planners 849 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: stuff on either her blog the shoebox that's shu remember 850 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: for her name box dot com or on the Instagram 851 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: Best of Both Worlds. Yeah, I'll have to you know what, 852 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: I'll schedule a post in advance, because again, this is 853 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: going to be in my just a week or two 854 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: after having a new baby. So but yes, I will 855 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 1: definitely post some pictures and we will be back. We'll 856 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: be back next week of more. Thanks so much for 857 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: tuning in. This has been best of both worlds. Thanks 858 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: for listening. You can find me Sarah at the shoebox 859 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and 860 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,240 Speaker 1: you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 861 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: This has been the best of both Worlds podcasts. Please 862 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and 863 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 1: life work together.