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Speaker 2: We're not even five hours in, and you know what

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Speaker 2: has hit the fan? Aaron Torres, What a day. It's

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Speaker 2: a day we haul late, four and five hours in.

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Speaker 2: I wish I never would have woken up. That is

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Speaker 2: how my March Badness is going. On the first full

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Speaker 2: day of the NCAA tournaments.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear about all about your bracket here

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Speaker 1: in half a second, but let me say this.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes we overrate things in life, you know, sporting events,

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Speaker 1: life events, whatever. The first day of March Madness is

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Speaker 1: always delivers, and it certainly has just four finals in

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Speaker 1: to this point.

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Speaker 2: And we will get to those finals in a second.

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Speaker 2: Another game seemingly about to be final. We'll go to

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Speaker 2: Isaac Lohancron for that. I do want to let you

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Speaker 2: dot edu. Jason Stewart is here for this Thursday of

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Speaker 2: March madness. Hello Jason, Hello, everybody, Hello, and Iowa Sam

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Speaker 2: is here as well.

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Speaker 1: Stoked.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the latest from Isaac Lohingcron.

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Speaker 2: Do we have an update of what's going on between

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Speaker 2: Duke and Sienna? Yes, we do.

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Speaker 3: Number one.

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Speaker 4: Duke appears to have survived ten seconds remaining in the

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Speaker 4: second half and they're holding onto a sixty nine sixty

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Speaker 4: five lead over sixteen seed Sienna. Sianna led this game

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Speaker 4: to play. So Duke with possession and a four point

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Speaker 2: Hi. By the way, Hi, Isaac, he lo Isac and

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Speaker 2: right now not a final yet? Not?

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Speaker 1: There are four finals in the books. Yeah, I actually

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Speaker 1: wanted to hear how your bracket is going. So four

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Speaker 1: finals in the books if you don't mind me asking, yep,

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Speaker 1: I know you've you've ridden and died with this TCU

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Speaker 1: Game one against Ohio State. How did that work out for.

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Speaker 2: Well, as a Buckeye fan, there was no way I

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Speaker 2: So of course I went with Ohio State. Two seconds,

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Speaker 3: The corporal.

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Speaker 2: Rough way to start.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the good news Nebraska versus Troy. There's no

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Speaker 1: way you picked against Nebraska going for its first ever

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Speaker 2: No way, dan By. I thought the pressure was going

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Speaker 5: Finally, the Nebraska Cornhusker have won a game in the

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Speaker 5: NCAA Tournament seventy six forty seven.

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Speaker 1: Well that's unfortunately. The good news is you know Louisville.

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Speaker 1: I know they're down mckel brown junior lottery pick, but

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought the Brown injury was going to play

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Speaker 3: Three seconds left, pinion out a half court from way

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Speaker 2: Though, no good. That's it.

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Speaker 4: Louisville survives eighty three seventy nine final.

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Speaker 2: Score, and none of this is a lie. You can

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Speaker 2: go to Fox Sports Radio dot COM's bracket challenge and

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Speaker 2: look for yourself all for three to start the day.

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Speaker 1: Well, the good news is high point super trendy five

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Speaker 2: But Wisconsin is my alma mater, and they were playing

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Speaker 2: some good basketball heading into the tournament, so I want Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: Brody is looking, he'll throw the baseball pass into the

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Speaker 2: It is second bye Anderson and the Panthers have reached

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Speaker 5: Eighty three eighty two high point in the second round.

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Speaker 2: I know no one cares about your bracket. I care

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Speaker 2: takes a special idiot to go zero for four in

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Speaker 2: I didn't pick it truly. You can go there. You

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Speaker 2: the wrong ways. Unless we have a final from Greenville.

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Speaker 2: Do we have a final on Duke Sienna, Isaac Lohincron.

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Speaker 4: It is now Bert Sienna officially seventy one sixty five

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Speaker 4: Duke winds.

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Speaker 2: Rocks number one.

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Speaker 1: You are in Duke Blue Devils avoiding infamy. Congratulations.

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Speaker 2: Ah, there it is. That's been the start. That has

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Speaker 2: the selection show on Sunday. I even gave it theory

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Speaker 2: It feels like generally the first game of the tournament

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Speaker 1: nine game Clems in Iowa, a game only your mother

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Speaker 1: I was listening to Stucott's earlier, so that was why.

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Speaker 2: That's alsome. Eight nine games are awful. Thank They're awful

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Speaker 2: for a couple of reasons. Your point is well stated

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Speaker 2: Here's the other thing is eight to nine likely comes

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Speaker 2: more likely than not, even a win in an eight

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Speaker 2: no one in their bracket has nine seeds going to

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Speaker 2: and in the survivor pools that we love to play. Yes,

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Speaker 2: wants it's the coin flip at eight nine. Now, there

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Speaker 2: maybe you liked high Point over Wisconsin and that's where

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Speaker 2: So there really is no value whatsoever unless you're a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll say this too, I think that you

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Speaker 2: Well, Wisconsin fans maybe whining because they've lost to a

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Speaker 2: in losing to high Point today, Wisconsin was a team

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Speaker 1: What is the high Point head coach Flynn Clayman.

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Speaker 2: Glynn Clayman spoke with Jared Greenberg after the win in

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Speaker 2: Portland had this to say, looks.

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Speaker 6: Pretty obvious me that high majency to play mid majors

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Speaker 3: In this tournament.

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Speaker 2: On the on the heels of what happened last night

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Speaker 2: for those that said that Miami of Ohio shouldn't have

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Speaker 2: been in the tournament, it goes back to the argument

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Speaker 2: of does winning a game prove that you are should

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Speaker 2: I just thought the atmosphere that they would bring, no

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Speaker 2: That's why so good Jared Greenberg, Why am I kicking

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Speaker 2: But great Howard Dean Pole, great job. Hopefully they fare

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Speaker 2: better than Howard Dean did after that rant. Great job

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Speaker 1: You and I were on the selection show and this

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Speaker 1: To me, we could go whichever direction you want. They

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Speaker 2: Comy and coming up on Saturday. Flynn Klayman in the

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Speaker 2: high Points? What are they Panthers? Lance, Yeah, they are

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Speaker 2: likely the Arkansas Razorbacks and head coach Flynn Clayman's got

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Speaker 1: He does Flint, Yes, play the sound Sam play.

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Speaker 6: My majorcy to play mid Majors are in the Saints.

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Speaker 6: Because they said we haven't played nobody. We played somebody

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Speaker 6: to have his grunk on doings fails unreal. Do not

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Speaker 6: know how good of a take we had, but nobody

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Speaker 3: In this tournament.

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Speaker 3: We got a hell of a take, tuttled it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I I think the we just settled in is

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Speaker 2: go book, there's go. You're gonna get everything out of me.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you every time. Yeah, all of it for me.

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Speaker 2: Give me everything you've gotten. Let's see what happened something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that sounded very much like I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: Oh but good for Flynn claiming right, this is the

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Speaker 1: conference tournament, and Miami of Ohio, of course as well,

439
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Speaker 1: does get in at thirty one in one overall.

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Speaker 2: Well, tip of the capta high Point because Wisconsin right

441
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 2: opportunities to win that game, and in fact, high Point

442
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: came back late with a couple of big buckets and

443
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Speaker 2: then got the defensive stop that they needed. Their go

444
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Speaker 2: ahead bucket ended up being on a breakaway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we haven't talked about that kids' first two point

446
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Speaker 1: field goal all season long. Seriously, did you see this? No,

447
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Speaker 1: it was the dude, Chase Brown, I think who was

448
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Speaker 1: hitting all those three pointers. It was his first two

449
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Speaker 1: point field goal all season long. I'm not being sarcastic

450
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Speaker 1: when I say this.

451
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Speaker 2: I knew it was the ninety nine that he was

452
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Speaker 2: the shooter, but I didn't realize that he didn't have

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Speaker 2: a two point field goal.

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Speaker 1: Chase Johnston. He finished today's game with fourteen points. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: let's see here. Let's take a quick look. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a quick look. I just want to look at the

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Speaker 1: seasons by.

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Speaker 2: The way, not a lot of ninety nine's. I had

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Speaker 2: my number ran yesterday again with manci like branching off

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Speaker 2: of what we had talked about a couple of weeks

461
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Speaker 2: ago with a single digit uniform numbers. When I saw

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Speaker 2: in ninety nine, I was like, all right, I'm game.

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Speaker 1: So he finished four of six from three to five

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Speaker 1: of seven from the field. Let's let's take a quick

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Speaker 1: look at his one of one, yes one the two

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Speaker 1: point field goal range. So let's see here. He took

467
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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty two three pointers this year, zero

468
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Speaker 1: two pointers coming in.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't attempt a single two pointer until that shot,

471
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Speaker 1: which ultimately won the game.

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Speaker 3: Know your role.

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Speaker 1: That's all you ask for the players is to know

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Speaker 1: your role. Hit the biggest shot in school history.

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Speaker 2: That was his role.

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Speaker 1: He was unbelievable that he had. He had about three

477
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Speaker 1: threes that were like fall away, catch and Shoot's pretty awesome.

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Speaker 2: Jason Stewart's our executive producer.

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Speaker 7: Just watching Arizona. I'm sorry Arkansas celebrate their win today.

480
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Speaker 7: Now you guys are in the weeds in this. You

481
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Speaker 7: already know this. I didn't, And maybe the listeners will

482
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Speaker 7: relate to me, Dj Wagner is on the razorbacks. I

483
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Speaker 7: said to Sam in the break, I said, is that

484
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Speaker 7: the son of Dejon Dewaan Wagner, who is the grandson

485
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Speaker 7: of Wilt Wagner. I have been in this game so long, guys,

486
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Speaker 7: I remember pretty distinctly Dewan Wagner and all the controversy

487
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Speaker 7: at Memphis with cal and bringing mill in. His son

488
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Speaker 7: is a major player in college basketball. News to me, Sorry,

489
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Speaker 7: isn't that crazy?

490
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Speaker 1: By the way, Oh, it was controversial to hire a

491
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Speaker 1: recruits dad, Like, that's how far we've come in college sports.

492
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Speaker 1: Of it used to be you hire the dad to

493
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Speaker 1: get the kid. And it was Jay Stu remembers twenty

494
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Speaker 1: five years later, how big of a controversy it was

495
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Speaker 1: at a time. Now it's like, oh, we're just gonna

496
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Speaker 1: give this kid two million dollars and we're not even gonna.

497
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Speaker 2: Worry about it. And by the way, DJ Wagner, who

498
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Speaker 2: you talked about, is in college two years longer than

499
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Speaker 2: probably anybody thought when he was coming out of high

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Speaker 2: school because he was at Kentucky and was one of

501
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Speaker 2: the top recruits and that was going to be that

502
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Speaker 2: was supposed to be the class to bring Kentucky back

503
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Speaker 2: to relevance and then they fell flat, and then cow

504
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Speaker 2: left and then they just followed him Darkansas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a three star kid out of Kentucky

506
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Speaker 1: on that team that nobody thought much of. It was

507
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Speaker 1: uh Reed Shepherd, who's doing pretty well I think in

508
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Speaker 1: the NBA.

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Speaker 2: Will I'll say this, and I'm glad that Isaac played that.

510
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Speaker 2: When I worked in Madison, I did the Wisconsin basketball

511
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Speaker 2: pre and postgame show. I know you know this, but

512
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Speaker 2: Greg Guard was my frequent guest on my postgame show.

513
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Speaker 2: So I always have a soft spot in my heart

514
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Speaker 2: for Greg Guard, who was always wonderful to talk to

515
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Speaker 2: after the games. Rob Jeter was an assistant to Bo

516
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Speaker 2: Ryan at that time. Gary Close, who was an assistant

517
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Speaker 2: at Iowa under Doctor Tom, he was an assistant at Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: He would come on, but I would talk with Greg

519
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Speaker 2: the most. So I always pull for Greg, and I

520
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Speaker 2: agree Greg and right now today sucks, especially if you're

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Speaker 2: at Wisconsin Badger.

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Speaker 1: You weren't there during the infamous stand Van era in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I was in high school. Yeah. This is

524
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Speaker 2: the year one season, right, Yes, that is correct, the

525
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Speaker 2: one and done after Stu Jackson ended up and then

526
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Speaker 2: Dick Bennett ended up taking over from that point. But

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Speaker 2: Dick Bennett's first year was my first year in college.

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Speaker 2: He's aeron Torres, I'm Dan Pyre. It is Cavedo and

529
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Speaker 2: Rich here on Fox Sports Radio. Whitch Gears. Because Barry

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Speaker 2: Bonds is back in baseball. Netflix is going to have

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Speaker 2: Bonds be a part of the broadcast for their Wednesday

532
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Speaker 2: night opening game Yankees and Giants. It'll open the MLB

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Speaker 2: season on Wednesday. Yes, not a week. We're less than

534
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Speaker 2: a week away from the start of the Major League

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Speaker 2: Baseball season. Opening Day officially one week from today, but

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Speaker 2: the opening night game between the Giants and Yankees is

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday. Barry Bond's going to be a part of

538
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Speaker 2: the broadcast. Barry Bonds has been back in baseball. He

539
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Speaker 2: was a hitting coach at one point. But now I

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Speaker 2: think in a situation where Alex Rodriguez has opened the

541
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Speaker 2: doors for so many, Barry Bonds being welcomed back with

542
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Speaker 2: open arms to be a part of the broadcast for

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Speaker 2: the Netflix crew that's taking over a portion of the

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Speaker 2: MLB TV package. Yeah, do you so.

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Speaker 1: I know it's a little bit different, But when Alex

546
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Speaker 1: Rodriguez has become probably the most prominent baseball media members.

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Speaker 1: It's hard for me to have any sort of feel

548
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Speaker 1: on this one way or another. Now, a Rod always

549
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Speaker 1: tried to be liked. I think Barry Bonds not only

550
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Speaker 1: did not care if he was liked, I think sometimes

551
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Speaker 1: he actively did not mind being despised. So I do

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Speaker 1: think it's that classic, Oh you treated the media like crap.

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Speaker 1: Now it's time for you to collect a check and

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Speaker 1: you become part of the media. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: I have anything major to take away from this other

556
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Speaker 1: than that it is an interesting name, and I will

557
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Speaker 1: say this, I don't expect like groundbreaking inside it.

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Speaker 2: So the biggest punishment for the guys like a Rod

559
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Speaker 2: and Barry Bonds and now the late Pete Rose is

560
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Speaker 2: they're not going to get into the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Now Pete could get in because he's dead, so his

562
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Speaker 2: lifetime ban ended, but he's not going to be around

563
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Speaker 2: for us to know it. That's the biggest deterrent, at

564
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Speaker 2: least penalty that keeps on going. I think two things.

565
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Speaker 2: I think that there are very few people who still

566
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Speaker 2: have the energy, and it's not everyone. I do think

567
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Speaker 2: that there's a portion of the fan base that does

568
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Speaker 2: have the energy to always hate Barry Bonds, to always

569
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Speaker 2: not like Alex Rodriguez because of what they did or

570
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Speaker 2: were perceived to do. But there's also a portion of

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Speaker 2: it that just doesn't have the energy to deal with

572
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Speaker 2: it anymore. And so now the TV networks are saying, hey,

573
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Speaker 2: let's take advantage of this, Let's bring in Barry Bonds,

574
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Speaker 2: and instead of him being a pariah or Alex Rodriguez,

575
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Speaker 2: they're almost celebrated. And to me, it's too you talk

576
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Speaker 2: about the energy to fight it, it's a battle that

577
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Speaker 2: you're not going to win, so you might as well

578
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Speaker 2: just accept it how it is. But I just think

579
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Speaker 2: that the only thing that really is now the deterrent

580
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Speaker 2: from what they did in the past is to not

581
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Speaker 2: have the Hall of Fame. Everything else is just kind

582
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Speaker 2: of off the board, and I don't know if anybody

583
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Speaker 2: else is going to gate keep to keep those players

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Speaker 2: out of something like television. And as I said, I

585
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Speaker 2: think a Rod completely opened the door here. It's now

586
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Speaker 2: a co owner of an NBA team. Yep, you know,

587
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: so what else can you do? I think you're finding

588
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: a losing battle if you think you can continually punish

589
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Speaker 2: these players who are caught up in the steroid era.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the only thing that I would add

591
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Speaker 1: is it does feel a little weird the idea of,

592
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Speaker 1: you know, holding this against them for from now until

593
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Speaker 1: the end of time, as far as celebrating them as

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Speaker 1: a player, but then also totally celebrating them as some

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Speaker 1: sort of analysts that we need to listen to. That

596
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Speaker 1: to me is more of a baseball thing. From the

597
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Speaker 1: baseball perspective, I think we as media companies need to

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Speaker 1: put on the best, most entertaining product that people want

599
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Speaker 1: to listen to. I think a Rod fits that bill.

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Speaker 1: I think Michael Jordan with the NBA stuff fits that bill.

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Speaker 1: So our job is to put on the most entertaining

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Speaker 1: people that we can. I guess it's more of a

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Speaker 1: baseball issue at that point, but I guess it is

604
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Speaker 1: a little weird that again, we celebrate these guys on

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Speaker 1: social media, on TV, viral clips, whatever, and then it's like, oh,

606
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Speaker 1: you know, the doors to Cooper First Town are shut

607
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Speaker 1: to them.

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Speaker 7: Jason Stewart, I mean, I'm in that camp of people

609
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Speaker 7: that just can't let this go. But I will say

610
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Speaker 7: this and really but.

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Speaker 2: Just on that like you think, am I wrong saying

612
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Speaker 2: that there's just a small portion of people that will

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Speaker 2: never ever forgive or let go?

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Speaker 7: Am I correct? And I'm in that group. I'm in

615
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Speaker 7: that group unfortunately. And in the last year when the

616
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Speaker 7: Giants announced that He's going to get a statue, that

617
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 7: offended my sensibilities, probably more than most. But I will

618
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Speaker 7: say this about Netflix in this particular hire if you're

619
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Speaker 7: going to hire Barry Bonds, that means that they agreed

620
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Speaker 7: to ahead of time, Barry not having to answer any

621
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Speaker 7: questions about it or never being asked about it or

622
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Speaker 7: talking about it, And to me, that kind of rubs

623
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Speaker 7: me wrong with as far as Netflix's credibility and bringing

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Speaker 7: him on, It's almost like one of those things that

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Speaker 7: if you hire Barry Bonds, let's get something out of

626
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Speaker 7: it and maybe have him on camera actually denying something

627
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Speaker 7: he's never really been asked or even talked about. It's

628
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Speaker 7: like he's been skating for twenty years on this whole thing.

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Speaker 7: It's just strange to put him on camera act like

630
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Speaker 7: nothing ever happened.

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Speaker 1: I could say something real quick, go ahead, no, And

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Speaker 1: And that is interesting that the skate bypart because a

633
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: Rod did come out eventually and was like, you know,

634
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Speaker 1: he did the whole rehab tour whatever. It is kind

635
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Speaker 1: of interesting that he's never really acknowledged it and now

636
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Speaker 1: we're just not going to talk about it with Barry Bonds.

637
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Speaker 2: I don't mean to cutch Oty was suspended twice. Yes,

638
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Speaker 2: the second time was yeah. I mean like you like

639
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: so like there's so there's a reason for him to

640
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Speaker 2: talk about it. Bond's never had to deal with any

641
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: of that, even though we know what happened. To Jason's point,

642
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: if Netflix were to ask him about it, I think

643
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Speaker 2: it would grab headlines. But I also think that you

644
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: would hear a bunch of people that'll be like, all right,

645
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: just let's just just let it go. Let's just move on.

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Speaker 2: It's it happened twenty years ago. It's I I also

647
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Speaker 2: think that bonds Is penalty is that we don't remember

648
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Speaker 2: his numbers like we remember Babe Ruth's, Hank Aaron's, Roger

649
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: Merris is those sort of numbers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think there's a penalty too, is has

651
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Speaker 1: anyone size of the Giants, like he has not been

652
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Speaker 1: a celebrated person relative to both his accomplishments and his talent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if you wanted to be in

654
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Speaker 2: the spotlight, but I think for as much as them

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Speaker 2: people ignored him. I think he wanted to be in

656
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Speaker 2: the spotlight playing baseball, but I don't think you ever

657
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Speaker 2: wanted to. He was never great with the press, and

658
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Speaker 2: I think that's an understatement, but I think that he

659
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Speaker 2: does want to get recognized and maybe this is his

660
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Speaker 2: way of doing it and it'll make it him feel better.

661
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Speaker 2: If people just end up moving on, I will say

662
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Speaker 2: it did see you know when they would have those

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Speaker 2: Greg Maddox and I'm not sure exactly who did it,

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Speaker 2: but hearing Maddox and Bonds talk about facing each other, yeah,

665
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Speaker 2: very compelling. Like it is, like as much as you

666
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Speaker 2: may want to hate it, it's very It's a very

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Speaker 2: compelling conversation. And so what he has to say if

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Speaker 2: he can do it in a in a and by

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Speaker 2: the way, A. Routs was pretty good on TV. He's

670
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Speaker 2: pretty good, So it makes you want to hear more

671
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Speaker 2: of what he has to say. If Bonds is pretty good,

672
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Speaker 2: that'll open up more doors.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there's something about Thursday. There's something about March madness,

677
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: there's something about wings. They just all go together. If

678
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Speaker 2: you're watching us on our live feed on YouTube right now,

679
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Speaker 2: maybe you can even see my lips on fire from

680
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Speaker 2: the spicy wings that we've got today. I'm not encouraging

681
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Speaker 2: you to do it if you're on your way home

682
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: from work, but they just taste better when college basketball,

683
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Speaker 2: the NCAA Tournament is on. It's true, not encouraging you

684
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Speaker 2: to go to any specific restaurants or anything, but it's

685
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: just better. Just that's the way it is. I don't

686
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Speaker 2: know what made it that way. I know people have

687
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Speaker 2: wings on football Sundays, but there's also something about it

688
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Speaker 2: Thursday with the NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 1: As I say, beer tastes cold or too wings beer sports.

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Speaker 1: But let the record show no beer here, no beer here,

691
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Speaker 1: no beer here show I want the record to show.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying wings beer sports. There's a reason that's

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Speaker 1: a catchphrase. I'll tell you who is here. Jason Stewart

694
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Speaker 1: is here for our number two of this get so

695
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Speaker 1: is Iowa.

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Speaker 2: Sam I loving it, loving every minute of it, wearing

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Speaker 2: is Iowa women's basketball shirt. They're not playing today, but

698
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Speaker 2: the men will play tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Yep, men tomorrow, women on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Isaac Glowing Crown is at the news desk giving us

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Speaker 2: the latest. What's going on, Isaac? Not much. Your next

702
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Speaker 2: success could begin sooner than you think put. Your goals

703
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Speaker 2: will then reach a University of Maryland global campus and

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Speaker 2: accredited state university undergraduate and most graduate classes start soon.

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Speaker 2: Learn more at UMGC dot edu. That's UMGC dot edu.

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Speaker 2: That throw to Isaac was like how my bracket looks

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Speaker 2: after four games today? Non existent? I just gave you

708
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: the what's up? That's all. It just gave you a.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Oh what's up?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was taking a dramatic pause, right.

711
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Speaker 2: I know you don't care. I know people don't care.

712
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: But I went O for four to start today. Ohio

713
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: State lost, Yes, Troy. That was my upset pick over Nebraska.

714
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: I felt that the moment was going to be too

715
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: big for the corn Huskers. Eleven over a six when

716
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: Louisville's leading losing one of the best players, potential lottery pick.

717
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with that. Nothing bullshoot five of thirty

718
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: three from long range and lose by four and ultimately

719
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: Wisconsin my alma mater, Falstall High Point Badgers had opportunities.

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Speaker 2: They sure did. You know what else they did when

721
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: they were down with about two seconds to go, Aaron Torres,

722
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: they threw it the length of the court to try

723
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Speaker 2: to get a bucket, as opposed to what Ohio State

724
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Speaker 2: did against TCU with four seconds left, having Bruce Thornton

725
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Speaker 2: inbound it to Christophe Tilly in the back court. Then

726
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Speaker 2: if Tilly threw up back to Thornton, and if Thornton

727
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Speaker 2: dribble up using the entire four seconds of the clock

728
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: to show to heave up a half court shot that

729
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: ultimately is off the mark, and TCU ends up advancing

730
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: a horrendous way to drop a final play for Ohio State,

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Speaker 2: and that lost to TCU today. So it is interesting.

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Speaker 1: Bill Raftery, Grant Hill, you know, the Final four crew

733
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Speaker 1: was on that game. And Bill Raftery, who I think

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Speaker 1: we can all agree, pretty non controversial guy. You already

735
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Speaker 1: said he said he did say something to the at

736
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Speaker 1: the end of to the effect of, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Bruce Thorton's not really a playmate, you know, he's not

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Speaker 1: really guy, yeah, like a quick twitch guy something like that.

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Speaker 1: But the insinuation being like, you know, I haven't coached

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Speaker 1: in fifty years, and that's not what I would have

741
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Speaker 1: drawn up if I was Deepler.

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Speaker 2: And it's not even the fact that Bruce Thornton isn't quick.

743
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Speaker 2: It's that you gave the ball to Bruce Thorton after

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Speaker 2: he inbounded it in the back court and had someone

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Speaker 2: throw it back to him and then he had to

746
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Speaker 2: dribble up half the court. Tc you just cut it

747
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Speaker 2: off and by the time he could do anything. With

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Speaker 2: a second and a half, he maybe could have thrown

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Speaker 2: it to John Mobley for a thirty five footer that

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Speaker 2: would have been rushed. But wow, just an awful play.

751
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Speaker 2: And credit to TCU on the previous possession, got it

752
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Speaker 2: with thirty four seconds left, took the shot cock all

753
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Speaker 2: the way down. They got a bucket at point blank right.

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Speaker 1: You know, that was one of the weirder because you

755
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: know you're kind of watching like is this going to

756
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Speaker 1: be a buzzer beater type thing and they're just dribbling

757
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Speaker 1: it and then David Punch, who's their star, like in

758
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: let is it, what's the right word not. He gets

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00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: it into the post, and I'm like, wow, this is

760
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: the slowest developing buzzer beater ever, And it wasn't he

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Speaker 1: Obviously they scored with about four seconds left, but it

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Speaker 1: was like he had more time than I think that

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00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: I realized that he had, because, like I said, he

764
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: just fed the post. Who said a big miss dunk

765
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Speaker 1: by Arkansas. He had time to feed the post and everything.

766
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was It was an interesting dichotomy between

767
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Speaker 1: the two final possessions here.

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Speaker 2: But again, as Aaron and I told you, last hour

769
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Speaker 2: eight and nine really doesn't matter much unless the one loses,

770
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Speaker 2: which Duke almost did. I don't want to say that

771
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: they almost lost, but they were down by to Siena

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Speaker 2: for eighty five percent of this game, and there was

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Speaker 2: opportunities where Duke could have taken the lead in the

774
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Speaker 2: second half, couldn't do it, Siena would go on a

775
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: bit of a run, push it back out to back

776
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: out to six. Ultimately Duke ends up surviving. So my

777
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: question to you erin Torre's bigger story that Duke had

778
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: this much trouble with Sienna, or High Point takes Wisconsin

779
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 2: and knocks the Badgers out of this tournament. Oh, it's

780
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: a good question. I think high point is the more interesting,

781
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: you know result. Obviously it goes without saying because the

782
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: upset happened. I would actually go the other way though

783
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: with Duke, because again go back to you and I.

784
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Speaker 2: You know, I was fortunate enough to sit in for

785
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: Kerry Rhodes on Sunday afternoon when the bracket came out

786
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Speaker 2: and we talked about Duke played the ACC tournament without

787
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Speaker 2: two starters, and you know, the way John Shire kind

788
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: of framed it was, Hey, let's be cautious here, but

789
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: you gotta said, if those guys don't come back, it

790
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: was going to be an uphill battle for Duke.

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00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: And I think that's exactly what we saw today. Now

792
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: Patrick Gong Brother's starting center. Indications are that he will

793
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: be back Sunday.

794
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: We will see.

795
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: It's a foot, it's a big man. He has a

796
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: history of lower body injuries, even at just twenty twenty

797
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: one years old. So I just I think it's a

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00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: bigger story because we talked all year or as a

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Speaker 1: college basketball community, the discussion all year was there was

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Speaker 1: that clear top three of Michigan. Duke in Arizona maybe

801
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: a fourth with Florida. I don't think Duke is in

802
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: that tier if they can't get guys healthy, and I

803
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: don't think there's reason to believe that they will be

804
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: fully healthy as this tournament goes on.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy when you look at the four or five matchups,

806
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: especially with what's happened with Alabama this week. Sure, when

807
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: we looked at the brackets on Sunday, I think we

808
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: thought the branding of what the East had, the caliber

809
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: of coaches at the East had make it a difficult

810
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: trek for Duke as he laid out. Then you also

811
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Speaker 2: looked at the West yep and you just looked at

812
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: Arizona's path at least in the top half of that bracket.

813
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: With Wisconsin and Arkansas being there, now, Arizona wouldn't have

814
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 2: to play both of them, but they would have to

815
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Speaker 2: play one of them. And I think that if you

816
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: were to take your pick. Obviously Texas Tech is a

817
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 2: conference foe, it is a five seed, But I mentioned

818
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: Alabama in the four seed the four to five, and

819
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: the other bracket was Vanderbilt in Nebraska. I think those

820
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: four to fives were easy year in the South and

821
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 2: the Midwest than they were in the East and the West.

822
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 2: So while we're maybe and I want to right off

823
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: high point and Arizona hasn't even played a minute of

824
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: this tournament. But we're sitting here and we're looking at Arizona,

825
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: Arkansas and the sweet sixteen, which I think a lot

826
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 2: of people have in their brackets. I maybe getting ahead

827
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: of myself, but that is marquee to the tee, just

828
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: like Duke Saint John's would be with Duke going up

829
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: against Rick Patino. And I just wonder about the roads

830
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 2: because here Michigan, Michigan to me as a bit of

831
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: a cake walk to the to the Elite eight totally.

832
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: And so Florida's only hiccup I think could be if

833
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: they have a rematch with Vanderbilt in the Sweet sixteen.

834
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Speaker 2: But the good news for them is they have chip

835
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: on their shoulder from losing in the SEC tournament, so

836
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: you at least have that edge. The roads of Duke

837
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: were difficult, in the roads for Arizona were difficult. And

838
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: now as things play out, even with Wisconsin out of

839
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Speaker 2: the picture, now Arkansas comes in in Arkansas, who's up

840
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 2: nineteen right now against Hawaii, will likely be a sizeable

841
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: favorite against High Point, not a guarantee that they're gonna win,

842
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: but these matchups at the Committee I think wanted in

843
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: the sweet sixteen. Yeah, we're starting to you know, show

844
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Speaker 2: themselves out.

845
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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because I hadn't realized this when we

847
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: were on the Bracket Show, but I had forgotten there's

848
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: some tournament history with Arizona in Wisconsin. For people who

849
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: don't remember, Wisconsin knocked Arizona out of the NCAA Tournament

850
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: in the Elite eight in back to back years in

851
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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen twenty fifteen.

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00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: So when we were on air for.

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Speaker 1: The Bracket Show, I was sitting there saying, you know,

854
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: tough draw for Arizona. Arkansas's coming off this SEC Tournament championship.

855
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: They've got a lottery picking Darius Acuff and Arizona fans

856
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: were more worried about Wisconsin just because of the history

857
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: between those two schools in the NCAA Tournament. So to

858
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: your point, we'll see what happens. There's still a lot

859
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: of basketball to be played. What we gonna say, Yeah,

860
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say I think that's an interesting point.

861
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: Though fans are worried about what happened ten years ago.

862
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: Now it has nothing to Wisconsin. Is the exact opposite

863
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: of the team that was played with Kaminsky and Decker

864
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: on the front.

865
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Speaker 2: Line, not even the same coach. Yeah, yeah, crazy, there's

866
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: you would have The reason why I think Wisconsin was

867
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: dangerous to Arizona was because of their backcourt, because of

868
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: Nick Boyd and John Blackwell, yes, that that would be

869
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 2: able to put pressure. And maybe Arizona wouldn't have had

870
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: Wisconsin does have some size as well, like that would

871
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 2: be the danger. But it's funny that you say that,

872
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: because yeah, they're absolutely is history. They ended up playing

873
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 2: out here in the in the West coast. Let me

874
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: let me ask you.

875
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: This bigger picture. How much do you take the history

876
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: because like Arizona we heard that a lot this week.

877
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: Is you know they quote unquote choke every year. Well

878
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: they really don't. You know, last year they were a

879
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: four seed and they lost to Duke in the sweet sixteen.

880
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: They played to their seed. A couple other times they

881
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: have played to their seed. There was three or four

882
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: seasons ago they lost to Princeton when Princeton was a

883
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: fifteen and they were two. But like, like I mean,

884
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: I just ask you does that like, and I'll set

885
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: up my own thought before I throw it over to you.

886
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: I don't really look too much at the history because

887
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,479
Speaker 1: the players and the coaching staffs turn over so fast.

888
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: Like even you know, when the draw came out on Sunday,

889
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: I had a lot of Saint John's fans of, oh,

890
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: we got screwed again, and last year we lost in

891
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: the opening round. I'm like, last year is totally different.

892
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 1: And I know it's the same head coach. Biggie's player

893
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: of the Year for Saint John's this year was on

894
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: the roster last year. But I don't think there's very

895
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: much carry over from year to year with these programs,

896
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: even with these same coaches, the way that there was

897
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: a decade ago, fifteen years ago.

898
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: I would say it's probably true. I do think Louisville

899
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: losing last year probably helped them this time aromed again.

900
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: When you hit thirteen of twenty five threes, yep, that's

901
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: what's going to ultimately help the most. So yeah, I

902
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: don't think that there's as much carryover. I do think

903
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: it does reveal in coaching, though. It does reveal when

904
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 2: teams are falling short and they're falling short in a

905
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 2: certain way, and you know, we just used the play

906
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 2: that Ohio State like drew up. You know, Jake Diebler's

907
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: been a bit under the microscope, especially considering the coaches

908
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: that could have been available to Ohio State at the

909
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: time that he ended up getting the job full time

910
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: after taking over on an interim basements, on an interim

911
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: basis for Chris Holtman who was dismissed. But when you

912
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: look at Dusty May, who could have was a candidate

913
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: thought to be a candidate for that job. Now Dusty

914
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: May's a one seed with Michigan and one of the

915
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: top teams in the country. Cal Perry was another name

916
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 2: that was thrown out with Ohio State. And as we

917
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: talk about this Arkansas team, So I think the coaching

918
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: stuff stays the same and that's it's probably the best

919
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: way to look at it as well, just with the

920
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: constant of it. And yeah, it's not bu Ryan. Greg

921
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: Guard though is a disciple of bow Ryan. But yeah,

922
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: it's not the same coach as Sean Miller's not there.

923
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: But if you're you know Tommy Lloyd in your starting

924
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: to have these teams that have high expectations and you're

925
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: falling short that ends up building up some scar tissue.

926
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: I mean Jim beheim I mean right, look at out

927
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: Beaheim's look at out Beaheim's entire life changed when they

928
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: won the national championship in two thousand and three. Because

929
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 2: it was always of the guy by the way. Beeheim

930
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: became cool like Jason Sewart you followed Syracuse. They win

931
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 2: an O three, like Beayheim always seemed like the nerdy, tall,

932
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 2: lanky coach. They win an OH three, and all of

933
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: a sudden, now look at me, I'm Jimmy b I'm

934
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: Jimmy Bayheim. I'm dressing this way. His wife was twenty

935
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: years yeah, she still is twenty years Yeah, Like it

936
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: changes everything.

937
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 7: He was kind of the bitter curmudgeon for the longest time,

938
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 7: and then yeah, he wins that thing and he's mister personality.

939
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: Yes completely. I went to an NCAA tournament in nineteen

940
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: ninety nine, first and second round games in Indianapolis. We

941
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: showed up on the Wednesday before and there was a

942
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: downtown mall in Indianapolis, and I just remember there were

943
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 2: teams that were walking through Ohio State was there. They

944
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 2: were at the mall and there's like Jim Beheim walking

945
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: by himself in a trench coat, like walking past the Macy's.

946
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: You know, it's just it was so odd. But I'm

947
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 2: thinking to myself, you think back then, like would you

948
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 2: see coach k because this was before the national Championship?

949
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: Did you see one of those guys? But as it,

950
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: but it changed everything four years later when they ended

951
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: up winning. So my ultimate point, if Arizona and Tommy

952
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: Lloyd keep on falling short in the NCAA tournament and

953
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: that Princeton team, by the way, one another game of

954
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: the tournament right went to to the sweet sixteen. But

955
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 2: if you keep on falling short, that's what people are

956
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: gonna remember.

957
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: One more question in the same vein how much pressure

958
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: taking a side that they almost lost today? How much

959
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: pressure do you think is on John Shack because I

960
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: heard a lot of that like he's got the best

961
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: player every year it's Duke, and I'm like, it's his

962
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: fourth year. They made a Final four. Last year they

963
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: just had, by any tangible measurement, the best regular season

964
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: that Duke has had basically in thirty years since nineteen

965
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: ninety nine. It was their best regular season finish. I

966
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: don't think there's pressure on him, and I actually think

967
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: weirdly the way the bracket lines up, It's like I

968
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: think if Saint John's beats him, specifically Saint John's, I

969
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: think it will be more of a celebration of Rick

970
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: Patino's greatness than John Shire's, you know, not being able

971
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: to do the job.

972
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: Now.

973
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: If they lose to TCU, and I think to a degree,

974
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: if they lost to Kansas, with the way Kansas has

975
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: been kind of up and down this year, it would

976
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: be a conversation. But I just bring it up because

977
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of that about John Shire, and

978
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: I don't know that I personally believe that.

979
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: I don't think it matters one bit. I agree, I

980
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: don't think it matters whe I owed up for two.

981
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if he lost today, but yeah, if

982
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: he lost.

983
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he lost today, you'd maybe raise an eyebrow.

984
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: But when you just look at the players that they've

985
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: brought in, yep, right, I mean you have Cam Booser

986
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 2: is the only you know, unanimous all American from the

987
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: Associated Press last year's class. You look at what Cooper

988
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: Flag and kon Kinneppel are doing now in the NBA.

989
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: I know people will hold that against Shyler, like, how

990
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: could you not win without that ten minute stretch where

991
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: they couldn't hit a bucket? Otherwise, you know, things are

992
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: things are different. The other reason why I don't think

993
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 2: it's a big deal is because of how Shire got

994
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: the job. How many duke assistants and even throughout the years,

995
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: even before coach k actually stepped down, how many guys

996
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: did we think we're in line, We're prepping themselves for

997
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: that job, whether it be Mike Bray, whether it be

998
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: Tommy Amaker, whether it be Johnny Dawkins, Jeff Kple, Yeah,

999
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: je like all of these other coaches, and it goes

1000
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: to Shire. Sure, So like there's a reason that it

1001
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: went to him. I agree, And so for whatever the

1002
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: reason is, I don't think that any of that heat

1003
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: if they were to not get it done or underwhelm

1004
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: in this tournament, because they hired him because that's who

1005
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: they wanted. And I don't think that these outcomes are

1006
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: going to change that.

1007
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I agree, it was I heard enough people

1008
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: talk about it that I was kind of surprised that

1009
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: I felt it was worth bringing up. But I you know, again,

1010
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: I think if he had lost today, it would have

1011
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: been like, oh, you know, just handed the keys to

1012
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: it Ferrari and crashed it. But he didn't lose today.

1013
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: I think they'll play much better against TCU, and then,

1014
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: like I said, if you get to a sweet sixteen

1015
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: and you lose to Bill selfer Rick Pattino, I think

1016
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: it's more of a celebration of those guys than it

1017
00:48:58,239 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: is tear down Duke, especially with the injuries.

1018
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 2: Coach cal is six h six to go to celebrate

1019
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 2: a first round win, up twenty on Hawaii eighty three

1020
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: to sixty three. Tom Izziel a little more than five

1021
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 2: minutes to go as they're up seventeen on North Dakota

1022
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 2: State in that three fourteen matchup.

1023
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,920
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