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Speaker 1: When you got to the league. Who's the first person

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Speaker 2: Hey, man, you know I used to have problems with

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Speaker 2: I have problems with Chauncey Man. Chauncey's destroyed me, like

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Speaker 2: every single time I played against him, Bro, because he

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Speaker 2: would you know, I'm gonna pick him up full court

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Speaker 2: every single time.

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Speaker 1: So I would pick him up, get the ball up,

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Speaker 1: and walk me all the way down to the folks.

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Speaker 3: And then he had like a shot fake that he

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Speaker 3: would do like every single time, and I'm jumping for

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Speaker 3: it every time.

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Speaker 1: He knew I was athletics. So this this was like

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Speaker 1: mind games that he would play with me. Bro. I

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Speaker 1: couldn't stop him, Like it was a nightmare.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't like his physical ability. His IQ was better

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Speaker 4: than New York. Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 3: Like he was using he was using my aggression and

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Speaker 3: everything against me like he knew it, like he knew

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Speaker 3: my man Home Green aggressive.

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Speaker 1: So he was just using right against me and give.

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Speaker 3: Up the ball, walk me down, get it, get me

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Speaker 3: right a foul trump quick.

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Speaker 5: Yo, yo yo.

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Speaker 6: We live on location, man, Quarantine season is among us.

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Speaker 6: We got d miles over there in Orlando. I'm in Orlando,

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Speaker 6: but we got Chicago shot Town Royalty. Man, we coming

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Speaker 6: to you live on location from Whill to threell Bynum's.

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Speaker 5: Location at the Crib Legend.

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Speaker 6: Man, appreciate you pulling up on us for the quarantine Man,

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Speaker 6: how you living man?

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys out of me on the Sholf.

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Speaker 4: Out of all the top schools in Chicago, you chose

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Speaker 3: When I was coming up, like I had been moving

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Speaker 3: Growing up in the hood, like I couldn't I couldn't

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Speaker 1: Would overwhelmed me. So I knew I couldn't do that.

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Speaker 3: So like Crane became like a safe haven for me

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Speaker 3: and an opportunity at the same time, because Longstreet gave

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Speaker 3: me an opportunity to play as a freshman.

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Speaker 1: Starting at point guard at Varsity.

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Speaker 3: You know, it allowed me to make mistakes early and

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Speaker 1: But that was the process going into it.

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Speaker 3: I was just thinking more so that I wanted my

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Speaker 3: to build my own way, you know, in the community

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Speaker 3: and everything, instead of having that upbringing. You know how

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Speaker 3: in Chicago, and it don't even matter your character.

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Speaker 1: You're just labeled whatever gang is in the neighborhood. So

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Speaker 3: Me overcoming and becoming bigger than all of that. The

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Speaker 4: When you was in high school, it was a lot

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Speaker 1: Named just like big around.

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Speaker 4: Was you going extra hard to try to prove yourself

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Speaker 4: to be one of them names that everybody was like saying.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I wasn't more so into what everybody

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Speaker 4: else was doing. I was more so into my journey

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Speaker 4: of what I was doing.

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Speaker 1: I knew it.

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Speaker 3: I had a lot of things to work on, like,

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Speaker 1: So if I was like when I was coming up.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: I heard all the stories about you know, KG coming

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Speaker 1: I just adapted.

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Speaker 3: I adapted everything from everybody you know, including you guys.

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Speaker 6: At what point at the in Chicago when you had Crane,

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Speaker 5: I could be one of them.

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Speaker 4: When we played freshman year, we played against we played

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Speaker 3: Y'all destroyed us both times. But I knew, like I

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Speaker 3: It more so inspired me than put me down to

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Speaker 3: Most people gonna sleep eight up them, it's sixteen left.

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Speaker 3: Now we're gonna put the work in between them.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen hours.

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Speaker 4: And that was my whole That was my whole mindset

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Speaker 4: You got a chance to play with TA high school.

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Speaker 4: Like how how was that?

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Speaker 1: Boy? Was like to per form that combination?

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Speaker 3: You know we met, We originally met like, uh probably

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Speaker 1: Kids and travel to like New York and go to

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Speaker 3: Uh, we were playing thirty two and Tony was he

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Speaker 3: After that we ended up being best friends. Forward that's

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Speaker 3: of my freshman and sophomore. You're going to my sophomore

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Speaker 3: I'm hustling. I'm like, oh no, no, Bro, don't even

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Speaker 3: get you right out of that. Keith got him transfer

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Speaker 3: and we work out like every single day.

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Speaker 1: Get up in the.

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Speaker 3: Mornings and he had like Saturday school, weekend school, night school,

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Speaker 1: Man, he grinded.

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Speaker 3: He grinded like no other to get to change his

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Speaker 3: to be able to go.

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Speaker 1: To Juco and fight his way up.

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Speaker 3: Man, this is a beautiful thing, you know, especially you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, why you choose Arizona when you came out at

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 3: You know I was going from I had never played AAU,

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Speaker 1: It was like, you know, that was that was happening

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Speaker 3: Process, like it was coming from Chicago where where I'm

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Speaker 3: used to like an aggressive style of culture with coaches

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Speaker 1: Really understand that.

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Speaker 3: But then everything he would say on the court would

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Speaker 1: I was like, damn, you know the game.

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Speaker 3: But I just didn't like me leaving Chicago at that

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Speaker 1: I wasn't mature enough yet, so it was hard.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't like the system, like the system, because it

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Speaker 3: It was a complete night and day change. I didn't understand,

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Speaker 3: Like it was just hard to fathom that, like being

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Speaker 6: Like, so what came down and made you finally decide

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Speaker 6: to transfer to g Tech.

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Speaker 1: Well, we was playing against Texas and it was one

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Speaker 1: on TJ Ford.

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Speaker 3: I'm guarding first two possessions of the game. He like,

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Speaker 3: reject the screen, get a pass to Eton Thomas. Layup

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Speaker 3: next screen he rejected hit like a floater. Means y'all,

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Speaker 3: he don't put me in for the rest of the game, like.

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Speaker 1: The whole entire game.

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, now this is on CBS, I know

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Speaker 3: I don't even show up to nothing else after that,

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Speaker 1: It was like we policed our own like if I.

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Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. And that was my calculations

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Speaker 4: So did the success that means so much more after

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Speaker 3: Like to me, it was always like I wasn't getting

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Speaker 6: How was it for you, like after after you go

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Speaker 1: First for the like during the summertime that the process.

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Speaker 3: I worked out for every team, like I worked out

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Speaker 1: I worked out with the Knicks three times.

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Speaker 3: Like me and Dave Robinson worked out a day before

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Speaker 1: Was like supposed to be like what was that live

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Speaker 5: What was that like? What was what was that bump

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Speaker 3: It was on we was going there and they like

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Speaker 5: I would love to see that one right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my brother man. I love they man. We

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Speaker 3: In Nike Camp when I was coming out for Nike Camp,

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Speaker 1: I can't share with it. I had to share with

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Speaker 5: Trust me.

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Speaker 4: So he worked out for thirty teens and then well

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Speaker 3: And that's what gave me the freedom to be able

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Speaker 3: But getting paid. I was able to take advantage of

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Speaker 1: So it was a it was a blessing in disguise.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, talk about when you went over to Israel, Brouh.

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Speaker 6: Didn't talked about a couple of things when you was

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Speaker 1: Man, it's real.

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Speaker 3: Was it was like the final thing that I needed

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Speaker 3: that time. And like when I went over there, you know,

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Speaker 1: But when I get over there, I'm playing with guys.

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Speaker 1: And it's like they taught me.

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Speaker 3: They taught me like how to play the game the

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Speaker 3: That year we end up winning the championship, but it's

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Speaker 1: We lost in the lead eight the euro League. Then

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Speaker 3: Just the value of sharing the basketball, the value of

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Speaker 1: And that was it, Like that was a blessing the.

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Speaker 3: Fans, but the fans over there is outrageous, the best

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Speaker 4: Could play for I'm telling you what was it like

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Speaker 4: when you when you found out, like, oh man, I'm

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Speaker 4: Finn play for the Pistons, Like I get another opportunity

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Speaker 3: Man, I never really been good with accepting good news,

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Speaker 3: so like I never I never really believed it like that,

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Speaker 3: Like even though like I had signed and everything that year,

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Speaker 3: Like I never felt that comfortable enough to feel like that,

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Speaker 6: Tell me about exactly what you're saying, that chip on

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Speaker 5: And things like that.

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Speaker 6: Tell me where you developed that from and why it's

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Speaker 5: Some will get it, some won't.

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Speaker 3: not being afraid of whatever. It is like that mental toughness,

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Speaker 3: especially growing up in Chicago, it starts young, you know,

447
00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,119
Speaker 3: because we have to go out and make decisions like

448
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,679
Speaker 3: adults at a young age as kids. So you know

449
00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,120
Speaker 3: that if you're able to get past you know, making

450
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,680
Speaker 3: those decisions, that mental toughness, it can carry you in

451
00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,240
Speaker 3: anything because it's a relentless that allows you to keep

452
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,880
Speaker 3: going and keep getting better, you know, at a steady pace,

453
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,879
Speaker 3: and it's nothing that can do that can break your cycle.

454
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Speaker 1: You know.

455
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,680
Speaker 3: That mental toughness, you know, comes from you know, being

456
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 3: around you know, a mother taking care of seven kids,

457
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,360
Speaker 3: you know, with no one job, two jobs.

458
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,200
Speaker 1: You know what I mean That.

459
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,359
Speaker 3: That's the mental toughness that's entrenched inside of us that

460
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 3: the kids now is confused with. They're using their heart

461
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 3: to pick up a gun and shoot when in reality,

462
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,919
Speaker 3: like the mental toughness is being knocked down and getting

463
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 3: back up over and over and over and over again,

464
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:27,560
Speaker 3: like consistently with confidence, like that's what it's about. Like,

465
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 3: but you know, we're in a different time now where

466
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 3: we have to like hold ourselves accountable and spread the

467
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,199
Speaker 3: truth to these young young kids.

468
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Speaker 1: Man. You know it's eventually it's gonna be everything the future.

469
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Speaker 5: Nah, that's a that's a hunter right there with you.

470
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 6: It's never a time that you're not getting it in

471
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 6: in the gym, whether you overseas playing, whether you're playing

472
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 6: in the Big Three. Like I feel like you want

473
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 6: them dudes twenty four seven, three sixty five.

474
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 5: We could call.

475
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 6: Will and like, hey, we got a game, and like

476
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 6: you're gonna show up and peak. You know what I'm saying, shape, brother,

477
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 6: you go looking like an action figure, you walking around

478
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 6: with your little bag and whole food peanuts and stuff.

479
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 5: I know you. I didn't seen.

480
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 6: You come in with the wild nuts and stuff for

481
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 6: the this man, this man of food with the nutrition

482
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 6: action figure on the body.

483
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 5: Got water.

484
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 6: Got got one of them twelve dollar bottles of water

485
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 6: with pH and all of this citing and that alkaline and.

486
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 5: Hey, the Man of food with it.

487
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 6: But what I'm saying is like, when did you get

488
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 6: to the point, like you go to your Instagram and

489
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 6: you doing moves that are completely different step backs, throwing

490
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,360
Speaker 6: the ball one way while going the other way, and

491
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 6: like that type of stuff like that. And now you're

492
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 6: to the point to where I feel like you are

493
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 6: without even trying to be just like one of the

494
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 6: dopest personal trainers period. But like, I don't think, I

495
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 6: don't know if you're putting it out there like that,

496
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 6: are you trying to do it? You just do it

497
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 6: with your family and your friends, and you just out

498
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 6: there doing it.

499
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Speaker 3: Like the last I've been doing the pre draft camp

500
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 3: for like live three years. I had a bunch of

501
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,239
Speaker 3: like a bunch of players that came through. But this

502
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 3: year in particularly, I got Killian Hayes. That's a that's

503
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 3: coming from France. You're gonna be in the draft this year.

504
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 3: I had him last year to real good kid like

505
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 3: about six three six four lefty young eighteen years old,

506
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 3: played the pick and roll, projected to be a lottery pick.

507
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 3: I got, Like, I got him. He be up in Chicago,

508
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 3: you know pretty soon. So I got him, and I'm

509
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 3: you know, I'm working on him like those like the

510
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 3: creative part of development is like you know, that's who

511
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 3: I am. Because I've put so many hours into the game,

512
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 3: Like like this is like everything to me no matter what.

513
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Speaker 1: Even if it was no money involved, I would still

514
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Speaker 1: be doing this because of the love.

515
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, the love for the game is

516
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 3: so much that the game has taught me, Like I

517
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 3: feel obligated to give back, like to give back to

518
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 3: all of the information that I that I've learned along

519
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 3: the process of this, Like I have to give it back.

520
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 3: And you've been seeing it, like through Kendrick Nunn and

521
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 3: through you know other guys, Milon Doyle, a fine Ze, McKinnie,

522
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 3: you know, every kid that come through Chicago. I try

523
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 3: to touch them in some kind of way and I'm

524
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 3: gonna tell them some positive, some good something that they

525
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 3: can take with him for the rest.

526
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Speaker 1: Of their life. And that's everything to me because like.

527
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 3: I didn't have that, Like I didn't have that, and

528
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 3: that's what I always wanted. So I would never not

529
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 3: at my own demise, I would never not.

530
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Speaker 1: Be that person.

531
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Speaker 3: I would take the hit first before I eat, before

532
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 3: I do that, because I know how bad and how

533
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 3: rough it is to make it to make it up

534
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 3: out of here. And you know a lot of people

535
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 3: just don't understand that. You know, they talk about it,

536
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 3: but they don't really understand it because they don't live

537
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 3: here on a day to day basis.

538
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Speaker 4: The homie Kendrick Nunn, How proud are you of him?

539
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 4: And the season that he was having? Man, Bro, Like the.

540
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 3: Thing is like I seen this in him three years ago,

541
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 3: like I seen to them. I would be telling them,

542
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 3: I would be telling him, they come over to the house.

543
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm telling them, like, Bro, trust me.

544
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 3: Like last year he came to La when I was

545
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 3: out there working with her. He came out there and

546
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 3: work with me for like a couple of weeks in

547
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Speaker 3: between my I mean, he asked me about like what

548
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 3: I thought he should do, and I gave him a

549
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 3: whole breakdown like this, a whole breakdown on like you

550
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 3: know how pat Rally was Like, guys that's in shape already,

551
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 3: go down there in shape first. How you're gonna gain

552
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 3: your respects from your work? So be the first one there,

553
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 3: the last one to lead every single day. And guess

554
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: guess who's gonna be the first person that come to you, Jimmy,

555
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 3: because that's who Jimmy is. So I'm telling them all

556
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: of this, like early you see what I'm saying, and

557
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 3: it kind of prepare him, you know, into the situation

558
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 3: and he's a little bit more comfortable. So you're able,

559
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: Like I've been through that process before, so me like

560
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 3: you nervous and you feel anxious and nulledgy, so to

561
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 3: be able to get some solid information that you can

562
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: use and apply, you know what I mean, it's everything.

563
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 3: And for me to see him use it and apply

564
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 3: it and then like be performing away performing, bro, it's

565
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 3: like it's.

566
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Speaker 6: Wild, sleep well and now, yeah, he's a solid kid man.

567
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 6: He actually literally from my neighborhood. Man writing one hundred

568
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 6: is three four blocks like I'm from one hundred and

569
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Speaker 6: fifteenth in part. Now he from like I want to say,

570
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 6: he said, like one hundred and eighteenth and like maybe

571
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 6: Eggleston of Steward or one of them joints, And it's

572
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 6: like that's four blocks west and three blocks up, you

573
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. Like he literally from the hundreds

574
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 6: right in my area. It was like I was crazy

575
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 6: because like my assistant coach Cyrus connected me with him

576
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 6: and his dadd's tired. They went to sit me down

577
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 6: together and so I hollered at I've been hollering at

578
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 6: him a couple of times right before he got down

579
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 6: to the Miami. So I had told him some of

580
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 6: them same things you did, Like, bruh, just go hard.

581
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 6: I say, put your head down and work everything at

582
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 6: today you could get better with but just if you

583
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 6: put your head down and work, you straight in And

584
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,239
Speaker 6: every time I talked to him, you know, I got

585
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 6: a great relationship with Spoe Malik Allano, that my old teammate.

586
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 6: I still taught to Chris Quinn we played together. Coach you, Yeah,

587
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 6: Chris Quinny, that's the homie. So I'd be hollering at

588
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 6: him and just checking me in on them early and season.

589
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 6: Everybody loved him. Everybody I talked to spoil himself. He

590
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 6: loved everybody loved him. So I was like, dude, keep

591
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 6: doing your thing. I ain't know he was gonna come

592
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 6: out and go crazy like that and get all of

593
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 6: my opportunity. But I was happy for him.

594
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: I was.

595
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 5: I was extremely happy for young boy.

596
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 4: He put it on bro you knowity yeah, yeah, yeah,

597
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 4: all we need give us a little confidence, a little opportunity,

598
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 4: and we're gonna go from that.

599
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 6: We're gonna use that confidence and go from there. That's

600
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 6: all he needed bro tell me how you feel? How

601
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 6: good do it feel to you to watch? You know

602
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, d Rose man his whole everything to

603
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 6: go all the way up and then have his injuries

604
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 6: and the trials and tribulations, but then to be where

605
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 6: he is now, Like I said, all the time, every

606
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 6: time we see him playing and just being happy, like

607
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 6: I just he's somebody that I always root for.

608
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I think all of us kind of feel

609
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 3: like that, you know, pretty much like about him. I'm

610
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 3: just like I got to be a part of that,

611
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. I got to be a

612
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: part of helping him get to the point, you know,

613
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 3: to where you're now. So like, you know, it's a

614
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 3: beautiful thing, especially you know, like I would reach out

615
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 3: to him when he was going through the you know,

616
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 3: tough times, you know, during them time frames, and I

617
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 3: went out to LA with him and stayed with him

618
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 3: over the summer out there, and we trained together the

619
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 3: whole summer.

620
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 5: So like I didn't know that, I did not know

621
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 5: this though, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

622
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: That's my boy.

623
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: So like you know, during those time frames, though I'm

624
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 3: giving away as much information as I can, you know

625
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

626
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: Getting I'm getting like on every avenue.

627
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 5: But for him, like I was.

628
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 3: Looking at it, like I seen that he was going

629
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: through the injury. So it's about getting skill level up,

630
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: you know. It was about getting your skill level of

631
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 3: mastering the pick and roll reads, knowing the different type

632
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 3: of reads don't come off, knowing which guy to hit,

633
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: knowing the asses to whatever reads. That was like being

634
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: able to take contact, make little mid range shots off

635
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: your right leg, like the little thing in between games

636
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 3: Like those are the things that you've seen his game

637
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 3: take a major increase in. Before it was a lot

638
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: of athleticism, angles and speed. Now it's more so skilled.

639
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 3: He's getting the spots. He beating you the spots. And

640
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 3: you know, like me and my brother assistant coach at DePaul,

641
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: you working with with d Rose, you know, to like

642
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: a personal training matter of fact, you're down there in

643
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 3: Detroit now, you know, working with him. So like me

644
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 3: having conversations with him and telling them the things that

645
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 3: I think when he asked me about it, like it's

646
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: everything he just happened to being able to be a

647
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 3: part of that and see him.

648
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 4: You know, show that who we are like who we

649
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 4: are is that like you doubt us and you knock

650
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 4: us down, and we constantly keep getting back up. Who

651
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 4: we are is knuckleheads.

652
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: They doubt y'all. You come back. You see, this's the

653
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: same thing. It's the same formula. Were all doing it.

654
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

655
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 3: They knock you down, you get right back up again,

656
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: and now it's like the best podcast out there.

657
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. It's the same.

658
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 4: But if you don't have a fearless approach to do it,

659
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 4: to try it, it'll never happened, you know what I say.

660
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 6: They don't know when you got to take two three

661
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 6: buses through the other neighborhoods to get to your school

662
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 6: of somebody like me, I'm going from the Huntings Nas

663
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 6: all the way to the West Side, taking a metri

664
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 6: then getting on CTA, then getting off and walk across

665
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 6: saying that all the while You're going through all type

666
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 6: of different gang neighborhoods, all.

667
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 5: Of that, and you gotta do this every day, get

668
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 5: up Washington Peak.

669
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 6: And then when we go hoop. You know what I'm saying,

670
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 6: we get good at basketball. Now they gotta see if

671
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 6: you're tough. You know what I'm saying. Like as soon

672
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 6: as you get good the first thing. Now I'm gonna

673
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 6: lay his ass down. See if you get back up

674
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 6: and come back, and then you got it. That's what

675
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 6: I'm saying. But like that's what makes me so proud

676
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 6: and happy when I look at dbro because just like

677
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 6: you said, he will all it's within all of us

678
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 6: we got You said that chip on your shoulder. You

679
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 6: look at Ta, You look at all of the dudes

680
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 6: that whatever the circumstance. Man was out there hustling slang

681
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 6: and you came in. He got his grades right, was

682
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 6: able to graduate, go to Juco, Okay State.

683
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 5: Now you in the league.

684
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 6: Now you're about to get your jersey retired to Memphis legendary.

685
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. No McDonald's, no, none of that.

686
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 6: But I'm a walking example that hey you still straight.

687
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: It ain't over.

688
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 4: Absolutely questions in one. But I want to talk about

689
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 4: the Sam Guy Hensey that you did in the Big Three,

690
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 4: like when you start absorbing moves, because like I look

691
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 4: at basketball players like I put them in like superhero

692
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 4: type terms, like the weapons you got.

693
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, everybody got like different type

694
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: of weapons.

695
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, and you try to add

696
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 4: as many weapons as possible for you to have in

697
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 4: your game, you know what I'm saying, So.

698
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 5: You can do your thing.

699
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 4: When you start like adding, you start seeing stuff and

700
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 4: adding it to your game, plus putting your little style

701
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 4: on it too.

702
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: It started when we went to Manhattan College with me

703
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: and Tony. When me and Tony Allen went to Manhattan

704
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 3: College with us j Housing throwing you out of Chicago,

705
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 3: we played against Andre Barrett and oh My Cook.

706
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: At the time, I was the youngest.

707
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: I was the youngest person on the Chicago team though,

708
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: and they were a little bit older than me.

709
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: But I seen them guys.

710
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: So I'm at the time, I'm in like sixth grade

711
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 3: and I've seen oh My Cook brought out the sham

712
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: guy at Manhattan College during that tournament against the Atlanta Celsics.

713
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 3: We ended up playing them in the championship.

714
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 5: Celtics.

715
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout Atlanta Celsis definitely. And that's when I had

716
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: first seen it. So then I'm like, oh, now came,

717
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: no guard in Chicago touched me.

718
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm knowing that in my head.

719
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna go back home and I'm gonna work

720
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: on this and I'm gonna do it on all the

721
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: guards that they talk about good.

722
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's what I did, and I picked

723
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 4: up on it. But that was the start of me

724
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 4: like seeing something.

725
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: And picking up on it and then going to go

726
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: work on it and then coming out in my own.

727
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: Style, you know what I mean. Then the people in

728
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: the city start to see me do it, and then

729
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: that's how it kind of went.

730
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 5: The way it went.

731
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: It's crazy, like just like the sham, the whole sham

732
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: guy thing. You know.

733
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: It's a guy named Bodaroga from Europe. He played in

734
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: in Bologna, Italy. He's like a six to eight isol player.

735
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: He plays ISO on the wing.

736
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: But he got the sham too.

737
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 4: But he older me, older than shamp guys old ahead, yeah,

738
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 4: but he's nice with it though, so I said.

739
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: I played against him in Europe when I went to Maccatty.

740
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: He would do it in the game, like off the block,

741
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: catching off the block, face up right into it, about

742
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: nasty all ice the whole game.

743
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 6: It kind of took off way more Overseas before it did, hear,

744
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 6: because you seen like this, how back when genob believe

745
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 6: riding MANIVI it was way more euro dudes like in

746
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 6: our era doing like now you see the young boys

747
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 6: you resting all the neck?

748
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, hit you.

749
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 6: But I'm talking about like when we was first coming

750
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 6: through the early like it was mostly only Euros.

751
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 5: Genobili put that thing out on the break like yo,

752
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 5: he just what he just did. The scared to do it.

753
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: Early they knew like from Genobili and those guys. They

754
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: got it from Bolderoga.

755
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell you when I went over there, when I

756
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: went over to Europe, Dog, I would go over there

757
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: and study the film like like crazy. I was studying

758
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: Yes and Cabbages. He was the last point guard that

759
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: was at Maccaby. Absolutely yeah, So I like I would

760
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: study like non athletic point guards because I was athletic.

761
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 3: So I knew, like if I could pick up on

762
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 3: how to dominate the game from the shoulders up from

763
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: a non athletic guy like a guy like John Stockman,

764
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: for instance, if I could pick up those qualities, I

765
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: knew it would make me a better player.

766
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: You know.

767
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: But it all started in Manhattan College though, when I

768
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: seen my Cook and Andre Barrier. After that it led

769
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: to you know, Michael Jordans and you know, my brothers

770
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: used to study Michael Jordan.

771
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: He taught me how to originally like watch them. So

772
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: I mean I just kept going with that.

773
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: Like over and over again, Alan Iris and steff On

774
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: Marberry and Steve Francis.

775
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: I just took from everybody. Yeah, I took from everybody.

776
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: Like I I'm a real student of the game, because

777
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: that's the only way you kind of know where you're headed.

778
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 5: If you study it.

779
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 4: I definitely know you're a student of the game, but

780
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 4: you want to know people like I feel like, like

781
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 4: James Harden, you stretched the game.

782
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: You stretched the room, you know what I'm saying, Like

783
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: some of the moves that you try.

784
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 4: To attempt it, it looked different because people don't work

785
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 4: on them moves.

786
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: They work on basic moves, you know what I'm saying.

787
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 4: Like James Harden kind of add different stuff to it

788
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 4: to be like, look, oh we said we can jump

789
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 4: start right here, I can stretch it to something.

790
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: You know why I can't jump stop at the three

791
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 1: point line? You know what I'm saying. But what made

792
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: you set like stretching.

793
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 3: The rules, like creating different angles and shifting differently. I mean,

794
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 3: that's that's the creativity of the advancement of the game.

795
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 4: Like sometimes when I'm at the house and I'm chilling

796
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 4: and I'm going and watching film, I'm looking at different ways.

797
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: To create more space.

798
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 3: So like that took me on the journey of shifting

799
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 3: different directions, like shifting off one foot, you know what

800
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 3: I mean, covering more space, covering or less space. Like

801
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: it took me on the journey of that, and I've

802
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 3: been doing that since, like China, Like after I left

803
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 3: the League and went to China, That's when I started

804
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: like breaking it down like that and trying new things,

805
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: because they would like close line me, and like if

806
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 3: I get it off the rim and try to push it,

807
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 3: they would come like close line me and I get

808
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: I go around to pick and roll, split the pick

809
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 3: and roll, they would trip me. So I would have

810
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 3: to try little things and do little things to figure

811
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 3: out how to like get through it without having to

812
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 3: complain to the officials, but still take them.

813
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 5: Out to play.

814
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: Hey go back to the like the Big Three, when

815
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: you kind of set this boy up for the sham

816
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: guy has though like like you knew because I just

817
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: got like like when you walked up on something, I

818
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: know I'm finna hit him with this right to level

819
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: to go for it.

820
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 4: It's like you knew he was finna go for it

821
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 4: because he was playing so hard and so tough on defense,

822
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 4: trying to step in front of him.

823
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just play like what you did to that boy.

824
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I knew he was like Mike Taylor, thirsty

825
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: home from you know, from the Midwest. So he like

826
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: I knew he was gonna be aggressive. He was hyped

827
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 3: beforehand on I do like I'm talking about the man

828
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 3: was hype before the game. But the game, he's screaming

829
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 3: to the top of his lungs in the locker room,

830
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 3: like top his lungs.

831
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: You know you, Man, I don't like. I don't like

832
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: that type of ship.

833
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 5: Like it's just like it makes me.

834
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, it's a Chicago shit in me.

835
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: It make me make me get into battle Mold. I

836
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 3: get into Battle Mold with ship like that when I

837
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: see stuff like that. So like, man, I knew I

838
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: knew that I like, he would be ultra aggressive. Man,

839
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: I knew he would go for thinking I was gonna

840
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: shamp guy. I knew it, like I just knew it

841
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: from just playing so much.

842
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 4: Dog, you know how it is like how you you know,

843
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 4: on the pick and roll sometimes you can just feel

844
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 4: when the person's on they gonna jump out how to

845
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 4: attack the pick and roll.

846
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 5: And you slipping up and down. I was like, yo,

847
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 5: that was crazy.

848
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 6: I had to grab the remote rewind right away, like,

849
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 6: oh my god, Nate on the baseline running around y'all

850
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 6: and clap like, oh my.

851
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 5: God, this is nasty. Right now, he tried to fall

852
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 5: and try to get up and hustle.

853
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, he took that bitch y'all quick

854
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: and try to come right. Yeah. Now he came right

855
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: back though.

856
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 5: Mike Taylor, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mike.

857
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 6: Now he definitely a dog bro like bro when we

858
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 6: short story when we played them, same thing, you said,

859
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 6: you know they doing all that scirme. We just defending

860
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 6: chimps right now, right, you know, we got all like Contino.

861
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 6: Course we real geez. I'm sitting there there, I'm sitting

862
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 6: here looking at him like you said, he over there

863
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 6: on a million this man bouncing off the walls, he screaming,

864
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 6: he running, he won't stop moving.

865
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 5: I'm looking at him like Bruh's over that trip.

866
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: Now. You know me?

867
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 6: You know me, ju I'm sitting there like so then

868
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 6: I'm just chilling. I'm like whatever. Then he took it

869
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 6: too far right before we about to kick it off,

870
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 6: hen came and ran over and gonna stand all in

871
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 6: front of our little bench in our area doing all this.

872
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 5: Man, I now you do it too.

873
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 6: When I just stood up, I walked over there, I say, man, no, no,

874
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 6: don't don't he like this guy? I said, I had

875
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 6: to figure out he was.

876
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 5: Cool and all that.

877
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 6: I left him alone up, But I was about to

878
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 6: jump on his hands, like, come on, bro, I say,

879
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 6: I'll come back over it. I huddle, no more, bro,

880
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 6: I say, you can do what you're doing over there.

881
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 6: You come back over here. It's gonna be some problems.

882
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the same thing happened with Frank Niddy too.

883
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: He ain't really know what he was in for. It

884
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: was kind of kind of the same thing. You know.

885
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: They kind of see they see my career and they

886
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 3: kind of think, like, you know, he's just all right,

887
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 3: He's just all right. It ain't gonna be nothing like that. Yeah,

888
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 3: but they had no idea, like you know what I mean,

889
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 3: how I work?

890
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: Who I am?

891
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 6: Like?

892
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: How I am? Who I am sad Man, You're a legend.

893
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: You're a legend in these streets many but I take

894
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: it serious. I take the game series like I don't.

895
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't play with the game.

896
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: I like, if I played with the guy, I wouldn't

897
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: even be playing, Like I wouldn't even play, I wouldn't.

898
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 5: Play in the Big Three.

899
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: And I played the basketball guy.

900
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 3: Like when I approached, when I approached the Big Three,

901
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 3: and all that I'm approaching to destroyed like I'm training.

902
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: I'm training that way, like we was training.

903
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 4: All summer with Corey and uh, like why I had

904
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 4: the pre draft people, I was still working, like with

905
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 4: Corey mcghetty and Cat Mobley, T Scott, So we always there.

906
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: So they know they know I was telling him. I

907
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: was telling them about all of this beforehand.

908
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 6: Tell me about the impact you feel like that you've left.

909
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying on Chicago, because regardless of

910
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 6: what you know, anybody outside that joint talk about we

911
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 6: know what your name mean at the crib. You know

912
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. And then you look at the guys

913
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 6: you've impacted influence with. You know, like you're saying Kendrick

914
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 6: Nun's Pat Bev brought you up when we had them

915
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 6: on the show, and just the impact that you and

916
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 6: the way you steal, Like you say you want to

917
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 6: touch every guy that you can to come through and

918
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 6: try and point to him some type of way. What

919
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 6: do you How do you feel about the way you

920
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 6: able to impact and the way guys receive you.

921
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: I don't.

922
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 1: I don't really feel it, bro, I don't really feel

923
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: it because I don't. I don't do it for that,

924
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't.

925
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: I just I see so much of the need of

926
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: opportunity and the need of guidance and the need of

927
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 3: certain things that like I don't have time to think

928
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 3: of it like I'm doing something good because it's so

929
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: much it's so much needed, you know what I mean,

930
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 3: it's so much needed.

931
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: So it's more so an obligation, like a life obligation.

932
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 6: For me, more so than anything like well, let me

933
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 6: let me give you a little sidebar and another part

934
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 6: of that life obligation, because I'm gonna tell you the truth,

935
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 6: you need to put yourself in an obligation to acknowledge

936
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 6: that sometimes because you you you know what I'm saying,

937
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 6: You doing solid things for a lot of people and

938
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 6: I feel you, I feel the way you wired and

939
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 6: all that. But sometimes you got to stop and not

940
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 6: to celebrate yourself or go too crazy, but feel that,

941
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 6: feel what you did, acknowledge what you did.

942
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: In the world full of that, you know, like like

943
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: they take it.

944
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 5: That's why I ain't telling you to do it. I

945
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 5: ain't telling you to do it like that. I'm telling

946
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 5: you to do it the right way.

947
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: You know how.

948
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 5: The real ones know how to sit there and enjoy.

949
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 5: They do.

950
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Acknowledge that did. So I

951
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 6: ain't talking about no glothing and I'm talking about you

952
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 6: know you, humble bro. It ain't in you to do

953
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 6: it the wrong way. I get everything you saying. You

954
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 6: ain't built that way, you ain't wired that way to

955
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 6: be arroging with it or whatever. So that's why people

956
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 6: like you, more so than anybody else, deserve to take

957
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 6: them little moment in there and feel good about it,

958
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 6: because you're gonna get.

959
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 5: Right back to it.

960
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 6: You You're looking for the next battle right away, anyway,

961
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 6: you feel me. You ain't wait, you ain't. You ain't

962
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 6: like dwelling in there. You on the next thing anyway.

963
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 6: So that's why people like you more so than others need.

964
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: To do that. It's a reason we want you on

965
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: the show. We wanted to let you speak.

966
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 4: And you know what I'm saying, You don't get that

967
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 4: many opportunities to like talk, and we wanted to use

968
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 4: our platform to to really show like you, like you

969
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 4: a legend. You appreciate you, like you worked hard to

970
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 4: earn everything you get, and you need to know that

971
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 4: like real ones know. We know, we know the work

972
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 4: you put in, Like we know what you did for

973
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: your name to be raying the street. Some of the

974
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 4: best ballers will say, will binnam name all the people

975
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 4: name they name in the NBA. Some of the best

976
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 4: ballers be like a Vinyl was that dude? And they

977
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 4: fucking right, he was that man, Like you worked hard

978
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 4: to earn it, and like shit, you need to know.

979
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 4: And this is the reason that we got you on

980
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 4: the show, because shit, you that dude. Bro, you got

981
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 4: hard to hear that dude.

982
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 5: Man.

983
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 4: And just because you ain't have the Hall of Fame career,

984
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 4: or you ain't getting drafted number one.

985
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: Or or make an All Star I ain't make an

986
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: All Star game, I ain't get get you.

987
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying, I ain't made no hall of fame,

988
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 4: but shit, I know I did something, you know what

989
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 4: I'm saying, and I got a lot of knowledge to

990
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 4: give to people.

991
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: So fucking right, we're gonna praise you.

992
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 4: That's what this show about to show the culture ain't

993
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 4: all about just the name.

994
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: Well, it's about the culture, and you one of them. Bro. Man,

995
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: I definitely appreciate it. Bro.

996
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 3: Like me, Man, don't you know, I believe in the

997
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 3: higher being man, So like you know, that's where it's

998
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 3: gonna come from.

999
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's where the praise gonna come from.

1000
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 3: Like I'm looking forward to that, like because I know

1001
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 3: too many people here ain't gonna understand it.

1002
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's just the way life rule.

1003
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 6: That's why I say, you know what I'm saying. It

1004
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 6: was a musk for us to have you on because

1005
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 6: I'm not tripping. I get it's gonna be people don't understand,

1006
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 6: you know always. But for me, I love the fact,

1007
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 6: like like D said, we use our platform for this

1008
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 6: for to use people like you. You an example. Bro,

1009
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 6: wasn't you wasn't drafted, You wasn't this you wasn't that

1010
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 6: you still was there though never let it stop you.

1011
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying you whether you had to

1012
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 6: go overseas, you had to do this, like you a

1013
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 6: walking example for all for so you know how it

1014
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 6: is you like you said, it's needed for people. That's

1015
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 6: why we need to have you on this show. So

1016
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 6: the kids at the crib, no knock against nobody. It's

1017
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 6: great to be number one and the number one pick

1018
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 6: and all that, but guess what, everybody can't be number one.

1019
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 6: Everybody don't fall out the wound. Just oohs and talent,

1020
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 6: oohs and skill. But that don't mean it's over for you.

1021
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 5: No, this is proof. This is proof you trans.

1022
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: It's not just playing the game. You could tell them

1023
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: how how many ball boys have you seen as general managers?

1024
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 5: Now weigh all the way up and we can do it.

1025
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 4: With the resume that we have in all the basketball

1026
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 4: knowledge we've been through. Is just applying it and having

1027
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 4: the right mentality an approach to it.

1028
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 5: That's all it is.

1029
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 4: Like man, you know, you know like you like you say,

1030
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 4: make it pro again, make it pro again. That's just

1031
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 4: just the same memo. It's the same grind.

1032
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: It's the same thing.

1033
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 4: Poor your favorite your favorite five point guards, of all time,

1034
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 4: your favorite.

1035
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: Five all time? Mm hmm, that's tough. My favorite five

1036
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: point guards are all time.

1037
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 3: Alan Iverson definitely in there, Magic Johnson Zee for sure.

1038
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 5: Thanks man.

1039
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: I like Curry, Man, I like Curry. I'm explained to

1040
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: you why I say that though, and h the fifth

1041
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: would probably.

1042
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: Be see I rock with CP all time. A boy Curry, Man,

1043
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: Curry don't get enough credit. Man, Curry changed the game.

1044
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: Literally.

1045
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, A lot of people like to hate on him.

1046
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: Man, he can that's a bad boy right there, man.

1047
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: And he put in the work. And he put in

1048
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: the work though, Like.

1049
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: Go back, go back and watch him from rook from

1050
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: Davidson and watch the summers, them summers when he was

1051
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: in them summers. Because I'm I'm a workout guy, so

1052
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 3: I be I be seeing all of that during the

1053
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 3: time frame. But if you go back, like you see,

1054
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: you see how he got to the point to where

1055
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: he got to like you can see it, you know.

1056
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: But a lot of the kids they just overnight start

1057
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: shooting like that. It never works that way, you know what.

1058
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 4: Once they see something like now you know how we

1059
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 4: was like you know, we was trying to get through

1060
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 4: v C. Your tapes of any game. I'm saying VCR tapes, man,

1061
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 4: how old I am? But you was trying to get

1062
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: through v C your tapes or any game and one

1063
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 4: mixtape like anything that you can see and you can

1064
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 4: take it. But now they got YouTube. So when they

1065
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 4: seeing a three sixty between the.

1066
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: Legs dump, they like, oh, that's possible to do.

1067
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 6: Bro, to get YouTube like YouTube, Yeah they got that.

1068
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 6: But bro, it's apps. Junior NBA home court, they got

1069
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 6: apps for. They sit in front of you, show you

1070
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 6: moved for moves, show you how to do it, then

1071
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 6: you go do it like bro, it'll be o D.

1072
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 5: You know how we would have been when we was coming.

1073
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 4: Up bro ol d acter how much better the basketball

1074
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 4: players don't be like it's don't be unreal.

1075
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: At some point they might have to raise the real.

1076
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 4: Hey, you remember when when t A used to be

1077
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 4: a bucket gill and he used to dump and all

1078
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 4: that stuff, and yeah, I remember what t A used

1079
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 4: to get fuckers? Hey, don't nobody like they don't remember that? Though,

1080
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: boxact like he's just a defensive player.

1081
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: The man was scored the whole time. He didn't like playing.

1082
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: At first, them on game put him on game he

1083
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: put me on game, I put pad on game. Just

1084
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: keep the fastening down for real.

1085
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 4: That defense, that defense is the formula though, man, especially

1086
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 4: for these city kids. These city kids, you got the

1087
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 4: you got the heart already. They got all of these

1088
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 4: people who want to look cute. They want to score

1089
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 4: these points and do these crossovers and moves. Set yourself

1090
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 4: up to be one of the guys that stop.

1091
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: All of that.

1092
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 4: That's why I like. I like the kids that want

1093
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 4: to do both. I want to I want to score

1094
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 4: all the points and lock up everybody. And that's how

1095
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 4: I I mean, that's the game, though, Like that's the game.

1096
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 4: Like back then, you had to do both.

1097
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 6: My kids gonna not be able to shoot offense on

1098
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 6: certain turn hours of the day or something like.

1099
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 5: Listen, you got that look.

1100
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 6: I don't know how I'm gonna get the Chicago shit

1101
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 6: in them, but I got to do it something I

1102
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 6: know it's DNA buteah. Hey, listen, they gonna get some

1103
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 6: of it.

1104
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 5: We need them.

1105
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 6: I gotta take it to the courts. A couple of

1106
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 6: summers in the road, like, man, go ahead, just drop

1107
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 6: them out, leave.

1108
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 5: Them there for me, like.

1109
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 4: Bowls, gonna put them bowls it's already in then be straight.

1110
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: They got yours already.

1111
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 6: Tell me about your nephew, bro, I'll be seeing the

1112
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 6: clips you got. You got a young Minster coming through.

1113
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 6: I see he getting like he right up under the wing.

1114
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 6: You just didn't you just come from working them out

1115
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 6: right before you came here, right?

1116
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, my nephew, My go to Semeon. They want citywer.

1117
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 5: House, powerhouse.

1118
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 4: Okay, he got like two city championships already, Junior about

1119
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 4: to be sending next to this.

1120
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: Last year he committed to the.

1121
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 5: Ball, so okay, he going to Okay, he got he

1122
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 5: got a lot to go.

1123
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: Man, your dog though he got he got it in them.

1124
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: He got a lot to go.

1125
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 3: But you know, you gotta keep working, man, keep polishing,

1126
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 3: because every level you go up to his start over scratch,

1127
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: you gotta keeping.

1128
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 5: That's dope to here. I ain't know he had committed

1129
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 5: to Paul already. That's dope.

1130
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know he read all the stories. We

1131
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: got the Clippers.

1132
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 3: I got everything I never like I got with I

1133
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 3: got game against you downstairs right now.

1134
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,479
Speaker 1: I got everything I've ever did the last twenty years,

1135
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 1: twenty five years, straight up. Yeah, I just I studied

1136
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: the game like that.

1137
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 3: So every workout I was doing back then, I would

1138
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 3: come back and watch the food work on it to

1139
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 3: see if if like that, my shot was the same

1140
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 3: every time I was trying to, Like I'm trying to.

1141
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 6: You gotta go on head and put that foot in

1142
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 6: the use and put you out of tape. Bro, you

1143
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 6: gotta put you out of workout tape.

1144
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 5: Buy Are you on like.

1145
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 6: Them better basketball joints? Late night on two on NBA TV?

1146
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, be playing get your handles

1147
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 6: like will the three buying them?

1148
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 5: I got all.

1149
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: I'm working.

1150
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: I'm working on a documentary with John Ross. Uh had

1151
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 3: something to do with barbershop too. So I'm working on trying,

1152
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 3: working on trying to trying to get out there. I've

1153
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 3: been writing, writing a bunch of stuff books, And I

1154
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 3: had a store that was supposed to be opening up

1155
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 3: like during that time, like a shoe health and wellness store,

1156
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 3: but since you know the Corona and everything, that kind of,

1157
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: you know, push that.

1158
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 5: Back a little bit. So I've been on it.

1159
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 4: I've been definitely on top of it. How you been

1160
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 4: doing with the quarantine like great? Like you know your

1161
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 4: family doing like I know you're a health jugg and

1162
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 4: you gotta work out. You're still getting your workout. I

1163
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 4: know you getting your work out.

1164
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: I got a gym. I got gym in house, so

1165
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: like I be.

1166
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 3: You know, I got a sign of like all like

1167
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 3: all type of machines stuff all work out and like

1168
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 3: that's how I always stay in great shape because I

1169
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 3: got a sign of inside with a bike.

1170
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 6: He said he eat quarantine already anyway, he good. He's

1171
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 6: been pricing social distances.

1172
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 3: It's been good for like the entire family to try

1173
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: and get them over on certain things like plant like

1174
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 3: trying to get everybody on plant based you know, plant

1175
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 3: based products, just everybody taking taking advantage of their supplements

1176
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 3: on a daily basis.

1177
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 5: Like you know a lot of.

1178
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 4: People like people growing up where we grew up, Like

1179
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 4: you don't know anything about any of this. You don't

1180
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 4: know anything about one hundred and two minerals in your

1181
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 4: body and keeping them stable and able for you to

1182
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 4: be able to perform the way you perform. Like like

1183
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,959
Speaker 4: we we don't know nothing about this. We McDonalds before

1184
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 4: the games and going to the game.

1185
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 3: So like you know, like for me to quarantine, I

1186
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: get to pass all of this down tomorrow, you know,

1187
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 3: to my nieces and my nephews, my kids, they already in.

1188
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, they gonna listen.

1189
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 6: Now listen, That's what I'm saying, Like, hold on, man,

1190
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 6: we need this type of stuff. I'm saying, like the NBA,

1191
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 6: the NBPA, they they can't know did you got this

1192
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 6: type of knowledge?

1193
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 5: And they ain't reaching out to you.

1194
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 6: Have you come to the team and wearing his meetings

1195
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 6: or the rookie transition programs and being able You a

1196
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 6: perfect example of somebody who come in and talk to

1197
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 6: the guys about nutrition, keeping your body right, all that

1198
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 6: NBA hollered on, NBP A hog ladder, man hard to

1199
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 6: find man good will bind them up in there, man,

1200
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 6: have them come speak to these kids and tell them

1201
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 6: what's good.

1202
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Hey, my last thing for I get you out

1203
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 5: of here.

1204
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 6: I would be remissed if I did not ask you

1205
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 6: about yo takeaways from the last Dance. Being a Chicago

1206
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 6: kid like me that grew up on Mike heavy on

1207
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 6: my how how satisfying has this been for you to

1208
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 6: sit here and get the little behind the scenes when

1209
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 6: they pull the curve back and we get to see it.

1210
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 3: It's complex being in this time period and right now

1211
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 3: what's happening and be able and to see that like that.

1212
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 3: You know, like if you ain't no killer or no dog,

1213
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 3: you can't really can't relate to MJ.

1214
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: Like MJ gonna see you know, he gonna seem different

1215
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: to you. If you're gonna hold yourself accountable, you know

1216
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: what I mean, you ain't gonna like MJ.

1217
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 4: If you ain't like you gotta be built with something

1218
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 4: inside of you, if already and if you don't got

1219
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 4: that already, he.

1220
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: Gonna show it to you.

1221
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 5: Like but this how we's come up.

1222
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: We come up like that, so we embrace stuff like this.

1223
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: That's the difference. But we are not the world's perception.

1224
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: So the world's perception of it, it looks like he's

1225
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: angry at bully and all of this.

1226
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 3: It's like, Nah, Look, when you're going to do an

1227
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 3: assignment and you're going to do a job, you remem

1228
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 3: about how you the job get done.

1229
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: We're about getting the job done. That's what it's about.

1230
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: You know, Mike got the job done. But you know,

1231
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: like on the old Michael Lebron thing, man, it can

1232
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: be two people great like Lebron is great.

1233
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 3: It's the greatest that what he does and what he does,

1234
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: he's the greatest. We ain't seen nothing like that, and

1235
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 3: Mike is the greatest that we ever seen. They both are.

1236
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 4: It's it's like, you know, you can go when you

1237
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 4: start talking about what is the best, you got to

1238
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 4: go into things off the court, you know what I mean,

1239
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 4: especially with two people that's so super talented.

1240
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, It's like your impact to us,

1241
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 3: impact to the next generation and Lebron. You know, Mike

1242
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 3: had a crazy impact to the next generation. That's how

1243
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 3: we all got here. And now Lebron's gonna do the

1244
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 3: same thing, but his impact is gonna be even greater

1245
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 3: because of the opportunities and everything that's happening now.

1246
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: More so than what it was back in the day.

1247
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: So it's not a comparison more so than a connection.

1248
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 4: Like it's all connected, you see what I'm saying, And

1249
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 4: it wouldn't be one without the other.

1250
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: And now we're gonna see a bunch of great players

1251
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: in the future because of this.

1252
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 6: Nah, that's real. I feel what you're saying. But when

1253
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 6: I compare it to I have to say one is

1254
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 6: better than the other. And I just say Mike is

1255
00:53:59,400 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 6: the best.

1256
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 5: That's just me.

1257
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 6: I'm built and I'm cut like him, and I just

1258
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 6: feel like we ain't. We won't never see nothing else

1259
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 6: like that.

1260
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you will never be able to know that because

1261
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: they'll never be in the same you know what I'm saying.

1262
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: You will never be able to know.

1263
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 5: What it would be.

1264
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 6: So it's not even I look at it from the

1265
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 6: standpoint like when you look at I can't kind of

1266
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 6: say when you look at Bill Russell, like him, Bill

1267
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 6: Russell and Kareem they they belong in the place of

1268
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 6: dominance as far as like when you go to the

1269
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 6: ghost like those two in particular the level when you

1270
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 6: look at Kareem when you go to all the way

1271
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 6: back to high school and college, all he did was

1272
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 6: win championships. Bill Russell won eleven in the league. So

1273
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 6: it's like when you go to that like they are

1274
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 6: the ultimate ultimate winners in a team sport, you know

1275
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. But when you look at the same

1276
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 6: thing when you go to MJ. To me, it's like,

1277
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 6: in particular when you're talking about him and Lebron the

1278
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 6: sixth and O just changes it. We got there six

1279
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 6: times and we never even got to a Game seven,

1280
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 6: I made sure of it. I'm taking every MVP of

1281
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 6: the final trophy. We got there because of me. We

1282
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 6: won because of me, and everybody knew it walking into it. Everybody,

1283
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 6: that's what But that's that's why I'm saying, that's what

1284
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 6: separates it from me. This is this is how I'm built.

1285
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 6: Like I'm not saying that Lebron don't play it the

1286
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 6: right way, but we all know, with a couple exceptions

1287
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 6: the past, the cureder passed the packsing like hello high

1288
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 6: water MJ.

1289
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 5: For the game.

1290
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 6: Every time I think walking down that hallway, how many

1291
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 6: times he's failed.

1292
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: And Lebron's impact gonna be crazy, Like it's gonna be

1293
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: something that we've never ever seen.

1294
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean you got it.

1295
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 6: But I mean that's that's what the with the advancement

1296
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 6: of time, social media helps that, you.

1297
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying that whole I mean, like like

1298
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,479
Speaker 3: he took Michael's stardom and took it to a whole

1299
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 3: other level of stardom.

1300
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: The way he's handling himself.

1301
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 6: As a as a black man, that right there, like

1302
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 6: it's never been anybody from sixteen seventeen years old when

1303
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 6: he was on that Sports Illustrated covers.

1304
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 5: The chosen One.

1305
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 6: Had this much expectations and who has been this flawless?

1306
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 6: What they execute him? The worst thing we could say

1307
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 6: about him is the decision that ain't nothing, that ain't none,

1308
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 6: that ain't nothing. You ain't getting no real choe. That's

1309
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 6: just an opinionated situation. Like if that's the worst, like

1310
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 6: the dude that's been flawless with it, ain't nobody anybody

1311
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 6: say different.

1312
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 5: You hate.

1313
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: People around him?

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Speaker 5: Man, look at the straight up big boy. Bounce him up,

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Speaker 5: big boy. All right, man, that's a rap. Man. I

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Speaker 5: appreciate you, bro.

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Speaker 6: We got shot Town Royalty in the building, my main

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Speaker 6: man will the thrill buying them, Bro. We appreciate you

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Speaker 6: coming through man. People need to need to check it out.

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Speaker 6: This legendary right here shot time man.

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Speaker 1: I definitely appreciate you. Man. Thanks for having me on

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Speaker 1: here too, Bro. Know it's all love, always.

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Speaker 5: Will be

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