WEBVTT - Inheritance w/ Nelson Lee 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:10.240 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:11.200 Dune Dune. 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:32.000 Hello, welcome to That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast. I'm 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:35.519 Lisa and I'm Kara, and you guys know what we 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.280 do here. We talk about an episode of SVU, we 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:40.040 talk about the true crime it was based on, and 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:44.080 we interview an actor from the episode, and we chitchat 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:46.000 with each other. But one of the first things we 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.040 want to talk about is to tell you guys that 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.880 in June we're going to be back out on the road. 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:51.519 Babies. 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:56.640 We're doing some random, little smattering of shows in June. 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.160 We're going to be at Cobbs in San Francisco on 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:04.120 June eighth, that's a Thursday. We're going to be in Tempe, Arizona, 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.520 back at the Tempe Improv on June's fifteenth. Sorry, that's 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.560 June fifteenth, one five, and that's another Thursday. And then 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:13.800 we'll be back at Denver Comedy Works one of our 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:17.880 first live shows. Excited to be back on June twenty fifth, 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.200 So that's a Sunday night, and guys, please come see us. 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.479 Get tickets, text us, message us on when you get 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.240 tickets because I love to hear that people are coming. 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:30.440 And yeah, we're so excited to see you. 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:30.759 Guys. 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.160 All back at the Sasha Kolby Meet and Greet. I 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.039 mean we do meet people after our shows. We play 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.240 fun games, like we will tell you in advance what 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:42.360 episode we're doing so you can watch along. It's kind 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.120 of like the podcast, but with all this extra fun stuff, 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.960 and we do PowerPoint and yeah, just in case you 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:49.640 haven't come to see us before, or if you have 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:51.960 come to see us before, we have different merch come 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.040 see us and Lisa anything to add. 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.560 Oh, I'm going to be doing stand up in Denver too. 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.520 Are some of those dates, so check around the calendar. 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:05.800 I really can't. I can't keep it together. The world's 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:09.040 asking too much of us I have. The Internet's too much. 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:13.520 It's just too much. Yeah, yeah, all these videos, all 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:17.080 this here, look at me there, buy a ticket there, Like, 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:19.200 how did we used to do it before? 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:20.280 Yeah? 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:24.160 People, someone wrote what more information from Denver? 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.400 Fucking google it? I don't know google it. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:28.760 Yeah. 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.760 When I used to try to find concerts. I wasn't. 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.560 I didn't have direct communication with the Backstreet Boys. 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:37.480 I'm not comparing us. 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.959 But if you want tickets for any of our live shows, 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.880 I can message Kara, you can message me directly. But 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.840 they're also at that's messed Up live dot Com. That's 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:48.399 where all of our stuff is. They're at the link 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.480 in our bio on Instagram or that's messed Up Live 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.120 dot Com has ticket links to all these individual shows. 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.960 And check all the calendars, like for Lisa's stand up too, 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.079 because she's will be at Denver Comedy Works around the 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.519 same time that we're there as well, and that will 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:05.720 be fun. What else? Oh, so we can talk about 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.359 Drag Race. If you haven't watched season fifteen of Drag Race, 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:10.359 I don't know fast forward we're gonna talk about who won, 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:12.960 but it made sense. 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:16.919 I think we're all happy as a community, and that's everyone. 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.080 I think all the queens are happy. We're all happy. 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.359 I'm actually was I was team and Eitra, but I'm 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.280 so happy for Sasha and I knew it would be Sasha, 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.120 and I'm actually excited because that means we probably get 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.640 to see an Etra on an All Stars and she's 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.400 really fantastic, and I think, with like even more confidence 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.800 from winning, she's gonna be like amazing on an All Stars. 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:36.040 You know. 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:41.720 Yeah, Sasha has that extra star sexy twinkle in her 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:46.160 eye that just you can't fake. You can't fake experience, 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.040 you can't fake that stuff, you know what I mean, 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:55.160 there's just what is that French word said, She's got it, 0:03:55.760 --> 0:04:00.080 She's got something that none of you have. So sorry, 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:04.360 Like the way she just works the camera and looks 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.200 into my soul is something. 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.120 Like the queens are like I'm in love with Like 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.320 I think guy have a crush on her, like they 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.360 like everyone's obsessed like with in her competition. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:18.960 Her performance, there's just a level of artistry that is 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:21.440 a foot above the rest. 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.760 I don't think I can remember like a time where 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:29.839 somebody just sailed through the competition with like no lip syncs, 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:34.240 never being in the bottom pretty flawless all runways, all performances. 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.279 Like I can't remember somebody who just like, well, no 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.559 one even talks shit, No one ever talks shit. That's 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.559 the thing too, because I can think of other people 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.440 that were really good but you like, or avoided the 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:48.960 bottom two even but there's drama, they're not that good 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:50.960 at makeup because I was thinking Bob, but then he 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.320 was in the bottom two that like, you know, against 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:59.160 Derek Berry for the Sylvester song. Yeah, but you know 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:03.400 it's a professional never mad at a part, could do calm, 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.520 you know, just like nice to everyone. No competitive nature, 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:13.719 well competitive obviously miscontinental, but like competing against yourself more yes, yeah, 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.640 just no shade really in a negative way, but funny 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:22.640 and confident but not arrogant. I mean, truly a professional, 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:28.120 shining star that I was happy to be on my 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.920 TV week after week. Yea thrilled and I loved everyone else, 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.760 but like Mistress and Lux looking so upset at the finale, 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:37.920 It's like that's the true drag delusion. 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:39.080 Are you out of your minds? 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:41.520 You thought you were being you were gonna be in 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.720 the top two, take your top four, bow, smile and 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.640 call it a day. Yeah. The look of sadness on 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:52.200 their faces, I was like, wait, you didn't You didn't. 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:55.480 Really didn't think you didn't think? Why not? What? 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:56.479 Yeah? 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.880 I mean it's like I don't know, I yeah, I 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:01.320 don't know what it's like to have that kind of 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.840 confidence where you just like are delusional, but a lot 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:09.359 of these queens do. But when we're talking about no 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.080 Shade and something we enjoyed watching our television on our 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.600 television screens, I'd like to segue into something that I 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:19.480 truly disliked watching on my television. I flew on Delta 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:23.120 recently and I decided to watch this movie because it 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.599 had an all star cast. It looked it had the 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.520 sheen of Nancy Myers. It was not a Nancy Myers movie, 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:30.480 but it had a Nancy Meyer sheen on it. With 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:34.680 the poster, it was Diane Keaton, Nancy Meyers, muse, it's 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:40.360 Richard Gear, it's William H. Macy, and it's Shannon uh 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:44.400 Susan Sarandon as well as Emma Roberts. And it's called 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.000 Maybe I Do. And I watched this movie and I 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.760 was like, I watched it on American I took an 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.400 American flight, honestly, and I had to watch it on 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:55.640 my cell phone. And I was like, whatever, I'll watch this, 0:06:55.880 --> 0:07:00.520 And I kept going, is this terrible? Like nobody talks 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.240 like this. It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen. 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:05.520 I guess it was adapted from a play and it 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:07.680 doesn't seem like they did any adapting. I felt like 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.800 I was watching a play in that weird way where 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:12.840 in a play you can kind of accept people talking 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.840 in monologues for a long time in a way that 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:19.120 you don't in movies because it's like not real life, and. 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.040 Because it was so bad that you can't even sleep 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:23.880 to it, Like that's how bad it was. It was 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.920 so jarringly upsetting that you couldn't even be lulled. 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:29.920 It wasn't a lullaby bad. 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:35.480 It was like uncomfortable, horrible, like what does someone have 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:36.640 on these actors? 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.480 Whose cousin is this? What is this? 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:43.800 Did you finish it? I don't say. I think I 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.440 had to turn it off. But Michael Kostrof, that's what 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:47.360 that was exciting. 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:48.000 I took a photo. 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.000 We did see Michael Kostrof in a funn Former game. 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:53.840 He stole his little scene that he had. He was 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.600 like a motel owner when people are trying to check 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:01.280 into like a CD hourly motel. But I ended up 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.480 on Delta on my way home and was like, you 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:05.080 know what, I didn't get to finish it. I only 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:06.800 got to the part where they talked about this big 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.440 dinner that's like the centerpiece of the movie. I was like, 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.560 I'll just keep watching and see what happens at the dinner. 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.559 And I literally turned it off and I never turned 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:14.760 movies off almost ever. 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.280 Like this writer is cool. 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:22.440 This writer director created the show the Dinosaurs. 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.840 Oh my god, not the baby, not the Mama. 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.320 Yeah, and he created and wrote Boy Meets World. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.640 Well, I think the problem is he needs to stay 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.840 with kidshit because when he tried to do something that 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.840 was adult, it was like painful. It's people talking about 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:43.880 love NonStop with nothing concrete, just bullshit word salad talking 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:47.360 about love, And I was like, what's even going on here? 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.000 Like basically the main couple in the movie is like 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.400 the girls like marry me or we're breaking up, which 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.760 is like one of the dumbest ultimatums. I hate it 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.839 so much, but like, if that's what your girlfriend wants 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.120 and that's not what you want, I guess you do 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.040 have to break up, but let's talk about why you 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.319 don't want it. Like he just keeps being like we're us, 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.360 Like what's wrong with us just being us? 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:11.079 And like it's no chemist, fucking zero chemistry. 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.560 They kept acting like I don't know and then she 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.360 just like Emma Roberts is a great actress. I feel 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.240 like I love her in Coven, I like her and 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.920 other stuff she's done, And in this she's just like, Mom, 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:24.800 you told me I would never be a ballerina. It's like, 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:26.880 are you thirty? Why the fuck do you care that 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:30.080 you're not a ballerina anymore? Like her childhood bedroom still 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.160 has ballerina posters in it, Like it's the Oh my god, 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.160 I could go on about this movie for fucking ever. 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:39.120 It was so like it's it's so like not to 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.120 mention the plot is like pretty preposterous, like in general, 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:46.320 but then just all of like in this movie that 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.760 I love called Playing by Heart with Angelina Jolie and 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:51.960 Ryan Philippy and all these famous people. It's one of 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.600 those ensemble movies where they're all woven together. At the end, 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.320 she says to his character. Her character says to his character, 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.520 talking about love is like dancing about architecture. 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:02.959 Like I just don't want. 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.160 To see a movie where people are just talking about 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:09.080 love for hours on end. It's too boring and it 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.920 doesn't make any sense or resonate with anyone if you're 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:16.400 not talking about actual experiences or anything specific. Maybe what 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:22.720 love is blind is honestly, but it is interesting because 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:27.360 they're all delusional, and so maybe that's what makes it great, 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.640 because the whole point about love is Blind is they're 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:34.480 trying to convince themselves and the audience that the love 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:38.240 that they have created within a week to two weeks 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:42.040 not seeing each other in these pods is more real 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.000 than anything that anyone has ever experienced on the planet. 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:51.280 And so that is why them discussing it is so fantastic, 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.680 because they're trying to diminish everyone else's love and why 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.160 theirs is better. My favorite is it's one of the 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:00.320 girl's wedding days and she's sitting with you know, friends 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.480 and family in her bridal sweep and she goes, it's 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.560 just so pure because I didn't have any friends or family, 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:07.840 like none of your influence. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:09.520 It was purely what I believed. 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:14.280 And it's like, what a rude thing to say to 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:15.480 the people who love you. 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:17.520 If I had let you guys meet him in advance, 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:19.000 you probably would have ruined it. 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.120 Like that's essentially like it's. 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.520 Just such a weird thing to say, and it's saying that, 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.080 like all of your love isn't as pure because you 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:29.559 have outside influence. 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.959 It's just like it is. 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.720 That's such a classic talking yourself into it thing though. 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.679 That's a classic talking yourself into it thing, And then 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.200 when it doesn't work out, who's to blame? Only you? 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.440 Like you can't look around and say, like, why did't 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.320 any of you guys give me the red flags? Like 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.760 you know, you're solely responsible for the failure if this 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:48.520 doesn't work out. 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:54.959 Yeah, but just in general, when you're trying to yeah, 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.480 you're right, it's a classic thing of like why yours 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:02.120 is more real? Is like, yeah, so silly to me. 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.600 I did like in the Love is Blind reunion, I 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:06.400 know you're not watching. What I did like was some 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:10.120 of the people were like even they were like, you 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.240 have to forgive us because it's a really crazy experience, 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:17.960 and you like people that were wronged were really advocating 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:22.960 forgiveness to the psychopaths because they're like, listen, it's a 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.080 really fucked up thing we're going through, and please be 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.120 nicer to us. Like they were all really kind kind 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.200 of to each other in terms of like, yeah, we 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.160 all did weird things. It's a weird experience we went through, 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:36.439 so I kind of liked that. 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:42.000 Yeah, well, anyway, don't be fooled by the fucking right 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.199 that I got, and yeah, don't be fooled by the 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:47.959 rocks that Diane Keaton's got, or like that, by the 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.120 the you know, cream colored interior design that makes you 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.840 think it's a Nancy Myers movie, because maybe I do. 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.240 As one of the worst movies I've fucking ever seen 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.720 in my life. It was really really bad, because sometimes 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:01.920 on a you want a bad movie. You want something 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.520 that's just like, yeah, simple, easy, predictable, fine. 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.040 That you can be in and out of. You can 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:08.920 feel like that is perfect. 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.679 Well, speaking of I finally watched M three Gin on 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:14.920 the plane on another flight, and I loved it. 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:17.839 I thought it was so fun. It's so fun. 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:21.120 It's my perfect horror movie too, because there's barely any 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.760 like there's scariness and there's like murder, but there's not gore. 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.720 You know, there's like one sighting of blood really like 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.920 it's just not that bloody. Well, no, the couple, there's 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:34.440 a couple gory things, but like it's not that bad. 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.319 Yeah, I'm just not anti gore, but it is really 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:39.040 sounds like al Gore. 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.720 Wait, I went to a Dodgers game yesterday. 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.840 I heard how did you hear from the wife of 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:48.880 the person you went with? 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:51.680 Oh, that's so funny. It was only decided like so 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:56.120 less minute. That's so funny, but it was. I really 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:57.600 love LA Baseball fans. 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:01.560 I loved fans, yeah, outside of the stadium and everything, 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:06.360 but like these are great fans, great people, great vibe, 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:09.920 great vendors, Like even the cops. 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:10.400 Are kind of chill. 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.720 Like, yeah, I probably not for everyone, so so you know, 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:19.360 but even yes, Like I just really love the vibe 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:23.080 of and I've not maybe other sports are great here too, 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.440 but I love LA Baseball. I have a great time, 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.840 and I actually my kids aren't ready, but I do 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.560 want to go, Like really, I want to go without them, 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.480 but then I want to take them eventually when they're 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:34.960 old enough. 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:36.280 But I think it's really fun. 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.320 I agree, and like I'm not a huge sports person, 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.240 but I love how everybody feels like they're having fun, 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.600 like they're not like screaming at the players, like they 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:45.800 could fucking do better. 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.840 Like I don't know, I just like I really families. 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.120 It was Hello Kitty night, which I wish I knew 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.080 I would have gotten their own. God, I would have 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:55.600 wanted the giveaway, but I didn't know. 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:56.920 I didn't know. 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.480 But there was a lot of Hello Kitty kids, and 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.520 they keep U entertained, Like they play the Lion King music, 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.160 the Simba reveal, and then people hold their babies up 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:06.080 for the JumboTron. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:11.680 Oh my god, that's cute, really cute, that's really cute. 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.840 I'm I took Rosie to the Lion King. Have we 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:15.560 talked about it? 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:17.600 No, not yet, not yet. 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:22.600 But I also wanted to say, also when the gameplay, 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.560 I don't know how I feel about the pitching clock 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.040 and the time, the new rules, I don't know how 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:27.360 I feel. 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:28.480 I don't know what any of that means. 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.240 I just heard that it makes it the makes the 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.400 baseball games shorter, and so they have less time to 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.920 sell beer. So now they're selling beer longer at shows, 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.520 I mean at shows, at games, I. 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.600 Sports psych, I mean, they they're doing their own thing. 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:43.840 Everyone will get used to it. I think it's an 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:49.840 American but I will deal with it. But there it 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:53.760 does create more drama. For sure. There was like there 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.560 was honestly, it was like two amazing teams playing that 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:58.800 I don't give a shit about so to me, I 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:04.359 was like relaxed, excited, just into the gameplay, watching families 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:05.960 enjoying their lives. 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:10.000 No one's rushing. I don't know, like I just am 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.040 like I it. 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:16.360 Was just like a glorious, glorious, relaxing evening. I love 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.280 that and it was a nice night and I would 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:20.520 go at any time. 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.520 No, but I don't know. I don't know. If you're yeah, 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.880 we will go without the kids. No, no, no, no, 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:26.280 no no. 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.160 I'm just saying I feel like it's a fun thing 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.120 to bring your family to, but like my kids are 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:33.480 years away from it. I mean, oh my god, Oscar 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:35.120 won't stop waking up at five in the morning. 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.240 It's killing me. But I did take Rosie. Oh yeah, 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.360 the bed. The bed is now open and he is well. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.920 No, I didn't move him to the bed, Okay, So 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.280 if anyone doesn't know what's going on, I am transitioning 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.960 my children into bunk beds. Rosie last night slept in 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.000 the bunk bed for the first time, top bunk like 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:52.480 a champ. 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:53.200 No problem. 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.960 Oscar for the last four days has been waking up 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:57.840 at five am, so I think he's going through what's 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.880 called a two year old sleep regression. If you are 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.320 a sleep person and you know how I can get 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:06.760 him to stop this shit, please DM me your advice. 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.720 I cannot let him cry it out because he shares 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.280 a room with Rosie and he will wake her up, 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:13.679 so it's a problem. So I do have to go 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.800 in there and get him as soon as he starts stirring. 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.080 And that's the problem. So we just watch Mawana at 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.760 five am every morning and it's killing me. So I'm 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:22.640 not going to move him into the bottom bunk until 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:23.560 he's done with that shit. 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.360 What's wrong with Mawana? Does he go back to bed 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:27.879 when he watches Mahana? Or no? 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.320 No, no, we're up for the day at five point 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.600 fifteen today five twenty five what a lion? 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:34.880 Not for you because you have the bunk bed situation. 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:36.760 But I did see a friend of mine post on 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.160 her stories like the baby's waking up too early. 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:41.280 I need advice. 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:43.560 We're not a cry it out family, And to me, 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.560 I'm like, then go fuck yourself. Yeah, I'm sorry, Like 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.480 I'm If he was alone, I would let him cry 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.680 it out and maybe I'll move him into another room 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:53.400 and like resleep train him. 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:55.960 But that's just a little bit tough because I just 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:57.960 don't have the space in my house, so I me, 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:00.960 it just bothers me. It's like, then, what advice do 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:01.399 you want? 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.359 Yeah, your baby's awake, go deal with it if you 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.760 don't want them cry, Like, what advice do you It's 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:08.480 like people being like, how do you get into stand 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.440 up without working hard and doing it all the time. 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:12.240 It's like, I don't know what to tell you. 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:14.879 Yeah, I'd love to just like get to the part 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.160 where I'm headlining clubs. How what's your advice on that? 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.160 You know, how do I get my baby to sleep? 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:20.960 But I don't want to leave them crying and I 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:22.680 don't actually want to wake up either. 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:23.840 Yeah, I don't know. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.080 No, I'm a cry it out person. I did sleep 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.720 training with cry it Out. Let's like modified where you 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:32.560 go in and you say I'm here, you're safe, so 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.560 they don't feel like they're abandoned, but you don't touch them, 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:36.320 you don't pick them up. 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:37.800 Or he's probably too young. 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.240 What I like that I saw on TikTok was like 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:42.600 there's a green light and a red light and he's 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.320 just can't do the house till the green light or 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:45.760 the room. 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:46.680 You know, but our. 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.120 Mutual friend just told me she didn't start that until 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:50.600 like two and a half. Like he's too young right now, 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:52.679 he won't understand it. But when he's a little older, 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:54.520 we're absolutely doing that fucking light. 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:55.800 But it's not a. 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.119 Problem for Rosie because that girl will sleep until seven. 0:18:58.240 --> 0:18:59.720 When we were on vacation in New York, she were 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:01.919 sleeping until eight, eight thirty. I was like in heaven 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.320 because I was going to bed at regular times and 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.679 she was just like snooze and Lucci all morning. It 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.640 was amazing. But I did take her to Lion King. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:14.320 She did really love it. But I told Lisa, Lisa 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.040 got to see her right before. We have a cue picture. 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.320 Maybe I'll post it on the Instagram page. But I 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.520 was My experience was almost ruined by a crazy lady 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.040 behind me who just kept telling me that I was 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.880 moving too much. I had Rosie on my lap because 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.439 there were no more boosters and I couldn't see. She 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:30.320 couldn't see if I didn't hold her on my lap. 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.879 She was honestly staying very still, and this woman was like, 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.320 you keep moving, my daughter can't see anything. And I 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:38.159 was like, you already moved your daughter down to the 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.800 end of the aisle like it was crazy. She yelled 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:42.480 at me twice and I was like, you need to 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:44.400 go talk to an usher because I'm not doing anything wrong, 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:45.960 Like I'm not going to deal with this with you, 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:48.600 and then she stopped. But it kind of ruined the 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.239 experience for me. But Lion King is really pretty and 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:55.640 you know, beautifully done, good for kids. 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:58.160 So you hated it. I liked it. 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:00.480 I wouldn't go back and be like, oh my god, 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:02.439 it's wicked. I'll see it as many times as I 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.639 can in my lifetime, but like it's good, you know, 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:06.440 it's really good. 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:11.200 Also, congrats to SVU getting picked up for two more seasons. 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:13.440 Oh was it two? Two more seasons? 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.160 We got to see this twenty five twenty six commitment, 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.560 so hopefully I. 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.480 Was thinking, I was like yeah, I was just thinking like, yeah, 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.000 wouldn't it be so random with it out of nowhere 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:25.000 they were just like, yep, this is gonna be svu's 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:26.840 last season. It's not gonna go it's not gonna stop 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:28.159 till Marishka wants it to stop. 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:28.679 I'm sure. 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.560 So I'm glad we get two more and selfishly, I 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:32.960 hope I know get an audition. 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:37.200 Jeez, I you know I flopped what ten years ago? 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.479 Give her another chance? Now, do you have to like 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:42.360 be registered as like a local person? 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:44.000 Maybe, but you can be. 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.680 No, it doesn't matter if I'm a local higher and 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:48.840 I pay my own way. They yeah, you just fly 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:51.320 out there, wouldn't they make it happen. You've got to 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:54.880 make it happen. Let's start start episode. Guys, We've got 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:58.240 a good one for you today. So stay right where 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:06.720 you are, all right, Today's episode Inheritance. It is season 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.640 three Back in the Marishka Short Hair. 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:12.440 Days, episode eight. Yeah. 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:16.239 This episode came out like November of two thousand and one, 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.840 so back in the day, a post nine to eleven world. 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.720 Whoa yeah, Like really, Clese, I mean, I'm a freshman 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:28.040 in high school here. This is wild? Yeah, yeah wild. 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:30.600 You know, my best Sie Julia said that people ask 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.119 her all the time, like if I really actually like 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:37.880 SCVU or not. And you know, I was staying with 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:40.000 her in New York a few a while ago, and 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.720 she like she just kept hearing it from my room 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:44.520 or like she would come to the living room and 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:45.640 it'd be on the TV, and. 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:47.119 She's like, I like that. 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.840 I could really tell people that you're in it, that 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:50.800 you are watching. 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:52.600 What a wild thing to think. 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:54.920 That we're faking, Like what you know what I mean, 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:56.879 like that you don't really like it that much, but 0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:59.600 like you're just doing a podcast where we go so 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:01.960 deep into it all but every week. 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:03.200 That's what I said. 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:05.199 And then she gave an example of someone we know 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.880 that does do a podcast about something that I don't 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:10.160 know if they actually care about. 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:14.200 Well, people are sociopaths, that's yeah, Yeah, that's not totally. 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:16.159 Because I reacted the same way you did. I was like, 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:18.480 who would do that? And then she had an example 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:22.920 a B. C. D. Like we know crazy people. That's 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:27.280 so true. Yeah, but I have been watching I guess 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:31.600 for decades, like it is sick, Like I remember these 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:34.919 when I was younger, and now I remember them now, 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:37.000 and I've watched this so many times, and I'm so. 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:38.920 I don't. 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.280 I just remember this episode so vividly, and I feel 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:44.320 lucky that we finally got. 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:46.560 To cover it. Yes, we've been waiting. 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:49.400 We've been wanting to cover this for a long long time, 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:51.080 so I'm glad we get to finally do it. 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:57.119 Yes, this one totally totally like it sticks in my brain. 0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:59.800 It's one of those ones. Okay, So let's get started. 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:03.600 Open on a doctor describing the wounds of this woman, 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:05.840 and we're going the camera's going over her face. She's 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:09.399 got orbital fractures, knife lacerations, she's wearing a neck brace. 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.919 So we find out that she is actually alive, but 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:15.840 despite the best efforts of whoever attacked her, like, she 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:17.960 has been very severely beatn It's hard to watch, and 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:20.040 there's it's like there's kind of one of those effects 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.760 where like a camera's taking photos of her wounds and 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:25.960 it's like a freeze frame in the episode, and that's 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.000 not something they usually do, but it is season three, 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:31.000 so they're still experimenting. It reminded me, of course, of 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.080 silence of the Lambs when they're like taking the photos 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:36.159 of the body, and it's like you know and like 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:38.439 you It's like that was a very The sound of 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:41.000 that camera will be in my head forever. But Benson 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:43.640 and Stable are standing over her. Basically, cops that were 0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:46.520 responding to a burglar alarm found her outside a warehouse 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:49.680 in Chinatown. She also has cigarette burns on her arm, 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:52.359 and she has a tattoo of a purple dragon. The 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:56.240 rape kit shows fluids, but then it's the fluids are 0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:59.679 tainted from bleach, so whoever did this had bleach on 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:02.159 them was like covering it up. So she won't be 0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:04.639 able to talk tonight, the doctor says, and Benson's like, 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:06.400 she's gonna have plates in her face for the rest 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:08.000 of her life. Like this is a lot of rage 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:10.879 for whoever did this. And also the alley where they 0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:12.840 found her was in full view of the streets, so 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:17.920 pretty ballsy, like person who did this? And Benson and 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:20.040 Stabler are chatting and they're like, also, what are the 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:22.480 chances that the assault of this woman and the burglary 0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:23.400 are unrelated? 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:28.200 And Benson's like, do you believe in coincidences? And then dun, dun, 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:28.960 dun dun. 0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:32.640 We are into the credits, and so now we're at 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:36.119 the crime scene and it's Benson, Stabler, Fin and Munch 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:40.880 the major four, and the burglars apparently took fifty thousand 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:43.959 dollars in high speed computer processors, so this is like 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:46.399 sort of a more upscale robbery. It's not like a 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:49.200 smash and grab for drugs or whatever. It's like, where 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:51.320 are you gonna move computer processors? Do you know where 0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:54.520 to sell those. It was five masked men. They jumped 0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:56.520 a janitor, locked him in the utility closet. 0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:57.520 Non violent. 0:24:57.600 --> 0:24:59.919 I like that they didn't kill him. And the vic 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.680 and we saw earlier is Helen Chen. She's nineteen, lives 0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:05.880 on Hester Street, which is in Chinatown in New York. 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:08.639 Stables shows them a picture of Helen's tattoo, and Finn 0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:11.480 has the lowdown. He's like, women aren't members of Asian gangs. 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:16.080 They're just associates through bros and bfs, like brothers and boyfriends. 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:19.240 But I wonder, like, are there gangs where women are members? 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:22.240 Like are there female members of the mafia? I know 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:24.879 there's not female members of motorcycle clubs. Really, there's just 0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:27.560 like what do they call them? I forget what they 0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:29.119 call them. But there's like women that are part of 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:32.760 my motorcycle clubs that they always say in sons of anarchy, 0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:35.520 And there's like the Irish mob. There's all kinds of 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:39.800 organized crime and women can play parts like run drugs, 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:40.520 keep secrets. 0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:42.480 But are they ever like full fledged members? Have you 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:43.200 ever heard of one? 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:46.280 No? But and like I guess I have visions of 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:50.440 like maybe some old matriarch that's truly in charge somewhere. 0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:50.800 Yeah. 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:56.840 No, No, if you're a super masculine organization, you don't 0:25:56.880 --> 0:25:58.800 respect women, that's a part of it. 0:25:59.480 --> 0:25:59.800 Yeah. 0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.720 Yeah, I think all gangs like because they're like women. 0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:05.040 Women aren't eight members of Asian gangs, Like it's a 0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:07.760 separate like it's specific to Asian gangs. 0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:09.480 I'm like, I think that's all gangs. Like, I don't 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:09.800 think that. 0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:12.439 I don't think, uh, what is the big one that 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:14.960 ever that the Republicans were MS thirteen. I don't think 0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:17.080 they have female members, you know, Like, I don't think 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:17.760 that there's that. 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:21.119 I do remember daytime talk shows where there were a 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:24.320 lot of like Latina ctyle gangs where you can beat 0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:27.440 your way into that. Like, I don't I don't know. 0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:30.120 I don't think it's good. I don't know why you would. 0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:30.720 I don't know. 0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:33.040 I don't know why you're asking me, Like I'm a pro, 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.840 like I have the low down on gangs. 0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:39.000 I have no idea, Liza, I'm asking because of all 0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:41.560 your experience in the gang unit when you worked. 0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:44.560 At the Chicago PD growing up. 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:46.280 No, I was just wondering if you'd ever heard of 0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:48.720 it in all of our all of our travels, some 0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:49.920 prime and stuff. 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:52.320 I'm like, I think on Jenny Jones there were like 0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:55.440 girls with lipliner and baggy pants that were in the gang. 0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:57.960 Yeah, and they would call the girls like gang bangers, 0:26:57.960 --> 0:26:59.800 like and they're they're hanging out with gangbangers, but I 0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:03.360 don't think they're ever members. But anyway, Munch says something 0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:07.440 judge about Helen, about her associating with unsavory characters because 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:09.639 of the tattoo, which seems like a weird thing for 0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:10.199 Munch to do. 0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:11.960 Munch has a tattoo, and. 0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:16.080 Finn knows a guy in gangs who knows all about 0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:18.840 these tattoos and witch gangs go to which tattoos, so 0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:21.720 they'll go talk to him. Here we are, Munch and 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:25.040 Finn are talking to Matt Sue, a detective who tells 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:28.000 them about the that the burns could be about initiation, 0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:30.119 it could be about number of kills, it could be 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:31.960 a punishment, it could mean a lot of things. He's 0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:34.760 being kind of like, not like glib, he just kind 0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:36.560 of doesn't know a lot of specific answers for them. 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.880 He shows them tattoo the tattoo and he's like, yeah, 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:42.240 that could be Chinese gang and they're. 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:43.200 Like, that's all you got for us. 0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:45.159 And he goes, dude, I worked two years undercover in 0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:48.160 Chinatown and I barely scratch the surface, like they these 0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:50.600 people don't want to talk to cops, Like I didn't 0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:53.520 get a lot of information, like information. I guess the 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:55.760 computer chip thing he says, also makes sense if that 0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:58.040 seems like a Chinese gang. And also they do use 0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:00.760 rape as punishment, so maybe she broke the rules somehow. 0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:03.280 So now they're at the hospital, Benson and Stabler are 0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:05.760 talking to Helen and then her brother Johnny is there, 0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:09.840 and this guy is it's played by Nelson Lee, who, 0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:14.679 if you remember, was Sergeant Joe Chin in the episode 0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:18.760 counselor It's Chinatown. So he literally this actor went from 0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:22.800 playing like a like a kid who might be gang 0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:26.359 affiliated to like a full sergeant in the Gang Unit. 0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:30.680 So along a walk from season three to twenty one 0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:31.680 or something, but we. 0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:35.679 Covered that episode, yeah, the one where Margaret show it 0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:38.400 was our guest, so yeah, like one of my visit, 0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:41.520 one of our earliest ones and truly a favorite. 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:45.240 Helen is lying on the end this hospital bed with 0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:48.880 her jaw wired shut and Johnny's like, don't make her cry. 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:50.840 She starts to choke and they have to snap her 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.160 jaw back open, and it's like fuck, like that's horrible, 0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:59.080 Like she's only making like little noises, and so they 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:01.000 pull Johnny aside. They're like, Okay, if we can't talk 0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:03.600 to her, let's talk to the brother. And like she's 0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:06.960 as he's talking, she's just grunting and whining through the jaw, 0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:09.360 like just to be like shut up. Don't say anything 0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:11.760 to her brother, I guess, and he's like, I don't 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:14.120 know why she was in the alley, and they noticed 0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:15.760 that he has a mark on his arm where a 0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:18.360 tattoo was lasered off, and he's like, I'm not in 0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:20.600 a gang. I was with the Ghost Shadows, but I 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:23.720 got out. Helen is still in with her boyfriend who's 0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:28.760 Vietnamese named Doo Tran, and Johnny says that he told 0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:32.320 Doo to stay away from Helen, and Doo said he'd 0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:34.320 kill Johnny if he got in between them, and he 0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:37.320 says Dow is the one that robbed the warehouse, so 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:39.600 a lot of info were getting from this brother here. 0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:43.000 Sabler suggests that maybe the Ghost Shadows did the robbery 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:45.160 and raped Helen to get back at Johnny for bouncing 0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:46.920 out of the gang, and he goes, no, the ghost 0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:48.960 Shadows would never do that. They know I'd kill anyone 0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.920 who hurt Helen. So he tells them they can find 0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:54.240 Doo and his gang is called the Born to Kill 0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:58.320 Boys at this restaurant on Canal Street, and born to Kill, 0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:00.960 I guess, he explains, is a ref friends from Vietnam 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:04.160 and it's what American soldiers had written on their helmets, 0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:09.440 so yes, more money for the military. Anyway, at the restaurant, 0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:13.120 it's Munch Fin Live and Stabler and they show up 0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:15.520 looking for Dow and immediately there's like a hostess that's 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:19.880 like stonewalling. But the guy shows up and sees them 0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:21.959 and starts running into the kitchen, so they chase them 0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:24.480 into the kitchen, iced Tea grabs his ass and he's 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:26.719 like banging his head against a bunch of dead chickens 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:30.239 that are hanging on the wall. So very cinematic. And 0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:33.480 then they've got Dow in interrogation talking a Stabler. And 0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:36.080 this actor is a guy named Kevin Louie and acting 0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:37.760 did not work out for him. He has not been 0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:40.280 in anything really. He did like two or three things. 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:42.800 Actually he was in Sex and the City as intern 0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:45.080 and then this and then one other thing, and that's it. 0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:47.440 He stopped acting. But he is very hot. I'm surprised 0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:48.960 that didn't work out for him. He's a hot man. 0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:51.360 Dow's like, I haven't seen Helen in a week, and 0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:53.760 he's like, I didn't rape Helen. I love her, So 0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:56.720 twists they broke up, but they are still in love. 0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:59.800 He says Helen told him that the ghost Shadows did 0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:02.479 the warehouse and that she was the lookout, and he's like, 0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:04.920 he's like, I promise you Johnny did this. 0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:06.480 He ordered to have it done. 0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:08.920 Like maybe he obviously didn't rape his own sister, but 0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:11.160 he ordered it to be done. She didn't want to 0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:13.520 do the gangshit anymore, but Johnny had a hold on her, 0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:16.800 and he says, Johnny made Helen give herself the burnmarks. 0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:18.800 And they're like, okay, well it's your word against his, 0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:20.640 and he's like, ask Helen. So now they go back 0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:23.960 to Helen, who now can talk more like her jaws 0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:26.000 still a shot, but she can still talk like this, 0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:28.200 and so it's like, but before she couldn't talk at all, 0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:30.800 So I don't know if some swelling went down or whatever, 0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:34.280 but she's got full metal head stabilizer head gear going on. 0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:36.120 I knew a kid in school who had to walk 0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:36.680 around in that. 0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:39.240 I knew this kid who was two grades blow me 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:40.880 my sister's class, and he had to walk around with 0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:45.479 like full metal sticks cubes keeping his head stabilized at 0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:47.760 all times. I don't know what kind of injury he had, 0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:50.720 but not a good one. So Helen says her brother 0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:52.920 was not involved in her attack, and neither was Dow. 0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:55.320 Dow loves me, so we do see there's a cute 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:57.440 little love story going on with these two. Maybe in 0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:01.560 a little bit of a sharks versus Jets situation. They 0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:04.200 mentioned her brother making her burn her arm, and she 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:06.200 doesn't really fight them on it, so maybe he did 0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:08.680 do that. She says she doesn't remember her attacker. She 0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:12.080 got hit and passed out, and then she's crying at 0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:14.160 the idea that her brother just left her there to 0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:16.240 die and may have been the one who ordered the attack. 0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:19.320 So she tells Benson and Sabler about a house where 0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:23.040 the ghost shadows keep their scores. When the SVU squad 0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:26.520 shows up at the house to nab Johnny, they find 0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:30.520 detectives Sue our special gang unit guy from earlier. They're 0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:34.360 conducting a full raid and Munch is like, what the fuck, dude, 0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.520 you knew that tattoo was ghost Shadows and you lied 0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:38.840 about it. And he's like, I couldn't tell you. It's 0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:42.200 always like you would have jeopardized a fifteen month investigation. 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:44.400 That's like we hear that line all the time. So 0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:46.080 he's like, I couldn't tell you. And just as you 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:49.360 think they're going to get into like a jurisdictional pissing match, 0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:52.240 which they love to do, Sue goes, you guys want Johnny, 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:54.719 he's yours, and they just hand him over to SVU 0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:57.360 and Stabler like hauls him away. So now we're in 0:32:57.360 --> 0:32:59.800 interrogation with Johnny and he's like, I didn't do anything. 0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:01.920 I provide for Helen. I take care of Helen. 0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:05.880 He's very like late nineties early aughts punk guy. He's 0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:09.400 got like spiky hair, chunky metal necklace, like that's the 0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:12.440 whole look with this guy. He already got got on 0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:13.200 the burglaries. 0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:15.480 He could have he could have gone to Emo Night 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:17.440 with Arianna, Sheena and Katie. 0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:22.600 For sure, absolutely absolutely he would have fit right on it. 0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:24.080 I want to go to emo night. 0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:26.560 I have gone to one of those nights, or I've 0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:30.920 gone to a goth night in La And the goth 0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:33.920 night is more the cure than you think. Like it's 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:36.200 all very like light music. It's like the cure in 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:39.320 the Smiths. It's not like I don't know. I just 0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:42.280 thought goth music would be more like dark metal and stuff. 0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:42.800 But it wasn't. 0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:46.720 No, because that's metal, I know, but that's what I 0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:47.800 thought goth people listened to. 0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:50.880 I didn't know that goth music was like, you're a poser. 0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:55.680 Well, I I went with friends who are self described goths. 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:59.080 I was just a tag along, definitely a poser. I 0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.640 was a drag along. It was a goth drag along. 0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:03.440 So it was so funny. 0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:05.760 On Tricksy and Katya's podcast, they were talking about goths 0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:07.600 and tricks He's like, where are all the goths? 0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.360 And Kantya goes at the goth clubs you more on. 0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.600 So Johnny's already gotten got on the burglary. So he 0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.520 admits that when they went into the warehouse, Helen was fine. 0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:21.520 She was the lookout we went in to do the robbery. 0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:24.040 But when we came out. I didn't see her. I 0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:25.280 thought she just ran off. 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:26.080 But then he. 0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:29.480 Finds her, okay, and he goes, she was so beat up, 0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:30.719 I heard sirens. 0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:33.080 She looked dead. So he just got the fuck out 0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:34.080 of there and stay. 0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:37.040 Benson's like, so you saved your own ass, and he's like, 0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:40.200 you know, yeah, basically I thought she was dead. So 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:42.959 then in the middle of interrogation, Craigan pulls them out 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.799 with the classic our guys struck again and bleach Man 0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:49.880 is back. He says, so, apparently, thirty minutes ago in Chinatown, 0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:56.080 another victim has been attacked, but this time she is dead. Done, done, okay. 0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.320 So now top of AC two, we're at the crime scene. 0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:02.840 Benson's walking and talking with Lance Reddick, who so sadly 0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:06.720 died recently. He was an emmy in the early episodes 0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:08.560 of the show, and he must have been like an 0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:10.719 emmy on episodes where like tomorrow too, and he wasn't 0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:13.560 available because he was on seasons one, two, and three. 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:15.680 But she comes in season two and she's on all 0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:18.200 the time, and then he's just sprinkled in in the 0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:18.640 rest of. 0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:20.759 Two and three. He was in six episodes. 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.799 This is his last one and obviously I love him 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.840 from Bosh. He was also in Corporate, a comedy on 0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:30.440 Comedy Central and the John Wick Movies, and I just 0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:32.200 love Lance Reddick. And I just wanted to take a 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:34.080 second to say I was so sorry to hear that 0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:39.040 he died like he apparently had a heart incident, is 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:40.640 what did it? And his family said that doesn't make 0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:42.480 any sense because he had this healthy lifestyle, and it 0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:46.359 just makes you scared because you know, my husband's got 0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:49.520 a grandma who's just sitting around eating cheeseburgers and she's 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:53.040 ninety four. But then other people are, you know, healthy, young, 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:55.359 and just dropping dead. So you never know with life, 0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:57.840 live every day like it's your last. Anyway. 0:35:57.920 --> 0:35:59.680 The victim in this crime is Asian. 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:01.799 Bleach was used to clean it up, and she was 0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:04.480 beaten around the face and head, exactly like Helen's situation. 0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:06.200 But this girl fought back. 0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:09.279 She had blood underneath her fingernails that must have made 0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:12.480 the perp mad, and so he carved something into her chest. 0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:13.680 They say it's a slur. 0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:16.200 I can't make out what it is, and Benson's like, oh, 0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:19.279 this guy's racist. Could you see what it said? I 0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:21.400 watched it twice, so I couldn't see if it said anything. 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:22.680 Then I thought, is it. 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:25.520 A slur in like Asian characters? But I really couldn't 0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:28.400 make it out. But Benson comes to the conclusion, Okay, 0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:31.160 this guy's are racist. He's attacking Asian women like for 0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:34.240 a reason, so these are hate crimes. In Kragan's office, 0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:36.759 the gang is gathered around, but they don't have much 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:37.279 to go on. 0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:38.160 Huong is there. 0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:42.040 He's like, the brutality suggests tremendous anger against Asian women. 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:44.600 He was probably victimized by Asians at some point. It's 0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:46.680 like you're giving him a lot of credit. Hoong, he 0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:48.600 could just hate Asian people. I mean, I feel like 0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:50.520 there are men that have not been victimized by a 0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:53.480 certain group and just hate them, such as women. But 0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:57.479 this guy is so confident to believe that he won't 0:36:57.480 --> 0:37:00.400 get caught. But Houong's like, but maybe he wasn't always. 0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:02.640 I would look into his past, maybe you'll find smaller 0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:07.000 acts of aggression like peeping exposure. He definitely built his 0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:09.640 way up to this, And Craigan's like, I'll call the 0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:12.359 Bias Task Force, have them send over anything involving hate 0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:14.799 crimes against Asian women. This is one of the episodes too, 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:17.160 where you really see them like chipping away with the 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.360 detective work because they don't have anything to go on initially, 0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:22.239 and they really get to some shit. 0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:26.319 So of course, I'm just glad that this brother didn't 0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:28.200 set up his sister, you know what I mean. 0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:31.080 Yes, yeah, he did just run away when he saw 0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:33.359 her there dying, but he did not set her up 0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:34.040 to be attacked. 0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:38.160 So that is a good that is a good part 0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:38.400 of it. 0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.759 So of course, whenever they get sent a bunch of 0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:45.120 boxes of files, Munch is pissed, right, Munches, They're like, God, 0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:49.000 there's nothing here, Like they always have Munch complaining whenever 0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:51.919 they're fielding calls and tips or whenever they're looking through 0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.840 file boxes, Munches not having a good time. He's like, 0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:58.040 there's nothing here but pages of racist scum, nothing specific. 0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:00.760 They're like, Oh, there's this peeping top who got away. 0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:03.440 There's a guy who shoved a woman and yelled a 0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:06.399 slur but then disappeared. Like this guy's invisible, and it's 0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:07.640 like it might not all be him. 0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:08.920 They're a racists everywhere. 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.400 Oh, and they're still waiting on the results from the 0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:15.359 fingernail blood so the girl the last victim that got 0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:18.080 the blood on her nails, they're still waiting on sorology. 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:21.680 So Huang surprised that this guy was so careless to 0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:24.760 leave DNA behind when he's like meticulous about the bleach, 0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:28.480 so his rage maybe escalating. Live finds a complaint where 0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:31.640 a woman placed an ad in a Chinese newspaper and 0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:34.120 the guy pulled a utility blade on her, and that 0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:36.040 is the same thing that cut up the last victim, 0:38:36.080 --> 0:38:38.600 whose name was Lucy Zang. I thought I said that before. 0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:42.080 So the girl dropped the complaint the next day, let's 0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:44.360 go talk to her. Benson's like a translator is going 0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:46.239 to take a long time, and Stabler goes, Hwong, do 0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:48.200 you mind translating? And he goes, you just assume I 0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:50.719 speak Chinese and he goes, no, I heard you order 0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:54.160 take out once. So that's like a little funny moment 0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:57.560 between them. It's oh, it's not even the first time. 0:38:57.600 --> 0:39:00.600 I feel like that, because wasn't there also an issue 0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:02.880 with this in the debt episode as well. 0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:05.800 I haven't seen that one in a while, the mngnah 0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:07.120 when I haven't seen it a little bit? 0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.319 Why I feel there's also a thing of like can 0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:09.960 you translate? 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:11.560 And he's like, how dare you? 0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:15.040 Like, I I just feel this isn't the first time 0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:19.839 where he's like pissed that stable at like I don't know, 0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:22.960 but Stabler is, and he's always mad at Stabler. I mean, 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:29.000 Stabler is a like a he's the prototype of a 0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:30.120 cop that we would hate. 0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:33.280 Yes, and he does seem like he would be racist. 0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:36.919 Yeah, you know, but I'm thinking of the thing where 0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:40.680 it's like wacky African art and yes, he's like why 0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:41.840 does it have to be wacky? 0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:44.799 And he's like, well if I'm paying for it, and yeah, 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:48.120 so he's not wrong in this case. Huang does speak 0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:50.200 Chinese and so there go and they talk to Sonya 0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:53.160 he's translating. He explains that she came from China to 0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:55.120 live with her aunt. She tried to meet people through 0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:57.800 personal ads in the China Sun newspaper. Her and this 0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:00.719 guy who was an engineer from Beijing back and forth 0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:02.640 for a while. They were going to have dinner, but 0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:05.160 she said when she arrived it was all lies and 0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:06.520 they're like, what do you mean it was all lies? 0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:10.120 And she's like, he wasn't Chinese, he was black. As 0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:13.640 they leave, the interview, Stabler's like, how many African American 0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:15.919 males are so good at Chinese that they could fool 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:16.720 a native speaker. 0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:19.800 And it's like, well, is that racist? You can't assume 0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:20.800 that you know whatever. 0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:23.240 So then Huang go's, well, he might be a student 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:25.239 or work at the World Bank, like he could have 0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:28.080 a job where he needs to use Chinese. Then he 0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:31.279 lies about his own race because these women wouldn't show 0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:34.920 up if they knew that he was black, and he 0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:38.200 assumes once they've met, the woman will be so into him, 0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:40.479 but then her reaction to his race is what sets 0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:43.960 him off. So that's an interesting like profile of this guy, 0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:45.880 like he kind of knows what the reaction is going 0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:49.240 to be, but then he's still almost catfishes people into 0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:49.960 meeting him. 0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:51.479 And then it. 0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:53.200 Turns out he placed the ad in the paper with 0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:55.520 a stolen credit card. So now they go and they 0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:58.719 trace the guy who had his credit card stolen. This 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:00.759 is Larry Tang. I actually I know this guy. He 0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:03.080 is a stand up comedian named Elliott Chang. He's done 0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:06.560 my shows many times. Wow, and he just yeah, he 0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:08.319 hasn't done that much acting, but this is one of 0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.759 the roles he did. He's like an HTML coder who 0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:13.879 the purp sole is the credit card from? 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:15.439 And he's like, yeah, I was abroad for a while. 0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:17.000 I guess they just didn't notice and there were all 0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:20.399 these random charges and so like he's very clueless, like 0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:22.520 you know, just doesn't realize. And then he goes, but 0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:24.319 whoever did it probably was trying to hide something from 0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:26.279 their wife. And then he shows them the statement and 0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:29.320 there's like China Girl, a charge to China Girl for 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:31.839 two hundred bucks. And that's a massage parlor that they 0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:34.920 all act like they know is not really a massage 0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:38.680 parlor or massaging is only partially the services that you get. 0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:41.160 So now we're at the massage parlor. There's like twenty 0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:44.280 seven locations in this episode. We're at the massage parlor. 0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:46.680 They obviously threatened the owner with a raid, as they 0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:49.480 usually do, and ask about an African American man with 0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:51.759 the credit card, Larry Tang, who came in two weeks ago, 0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:53.160 and he goes, I don't even need to look at 0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:55.360 my records. I know exactly who you're talking about. He 0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:57.719 tried to kill one of my girls. And then they 0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:01.360 bust in on this girl. Clearly not giving a massage 0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:03.880 to a large white man who is very shocked. And 0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:06.239 then they are separately in a room talking to her 0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:08.560 and she's like, yeah, the guy who attacked me was young, 0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:11.239 in his twenties. There was nothing really special about him. 0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:13.960 He said he wanted a girlfriend. I guess I laughed 0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:16.160 at one point and he got mad. He punched me. 0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:18.920 He pulled out a little army knife. He called me names. 0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:23.680 And then she shows what like right like not her shoulder, 0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:25.799 but not her breasts, like that little area right there, 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:27.960 he kind of like upper chest. He cut her really 0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:31.160 badly and there's like a deep cup there, and she 0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:33.960 can give them a description for a sketch artist. So 0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:36.719 now the gang is back at the squad, still trying 0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:39.239 to figure this out. The sketch has been spread out 0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:41.960 and they got nothing. No one is biting on this sketch. 0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:46.960 This guy Huang says picked a particularly insular culture. And 0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:49.120 he's like, I know, if my sister dated a black guy, 0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:52.040 my parents would not They would have strongly objected. And 0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:54.200 of course, in my mind that sister is Margaret Chow, 0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:57.200 because she has cast herself as that and we have 0:42:57.239 --> 0:42:59.719 agreed to that casting. When hopefully they both come back 0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:03.480 for future episode. He puts himself in a position to 0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:06.000 get rejected and it's like he wants an excuse to 0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:09.160 get mad this guy, and then Munch comes in. Finally 0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:11.800 there's a hit on the blood as an African American 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:14.440 man who was sent up state on multiple rapes and 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.839 homicides and was released last year. So like, okay, this 0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:18.960 is our guy. So they go find him at this 0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:23.000 halfway house. But when they sort of get eyes on him, 0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:26.680 he is in a wheelchair and the guy taking them 0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:28.880 up there taking them to him, is like, yeah, this 0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:32.440 is a halfway house for men with disabilities. So Harold 0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:36.359 starns this like convicted murderer rapists who's been let out 0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:41.360 probably for compassionate release, has advanced MS. And the actor 0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:43.880 is actually Arthur French and Lisa. He was in the 0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:46.960 episode Vulnerable, the Andy Powers episode that we did remember 0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:48.880 when he's like a bad nurse at a nursing home 0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:52.600 and remember the guy who's like I saw Klansmen in 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:53.279 the hallways. 0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:54.640 That's this guy. Wow. 0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:55.200 Wow. 0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:57.799 Yeah, we liked him, and sadly. 0:43:57.520 --> 0:43:59.520 He did pass away in July of twenty twenty one, 0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:01.919 but he was a very well known television and theater 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:05.520 actor like doing a lot of New York stuff. So 0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:08.399 Arthur French, I think I said, what's his name? And 0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:11.080 this guy's like, I ain't helping the cops. And they're like, okay, 0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:13.239 but your DNA was all over a murder victim, so 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:15.120 what's up? And he goes, I can't. He goes, I 0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:16.880 can't even get out of this chair, boy, And if 0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:18.560 I could, I wouldn't be it wouldn't be to get 0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:21.040 with no downtown bitch, Neil bhar. 0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:22.240 I hope you wrote that line. 0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:25.760 And so they're like, do you got any brothers, cousins 0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:27.400 who'd want to set you up? And he's like, I 0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:29.640 don't know. And then Olivia has like a light bulb moment. 0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:31.600 She goes, do you have any children? And he's like, 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:33.960 what are you offering? And she goes, well, you've raped 0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:35.920 a lot of women. You could have gotten someone pregnant. 0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:39.359 And he's like, I guess so, lady. So now top 0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:41.359 of act three, we're at the lab and a tech 0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:44.680 is confirming that he's talking about a lot. 0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:46.840 Of legal DNA stuff. I'm a little bit confused. 0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:50.840 Why DNA would pop on someone who's the son unless 0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:56.080 they were only testing the paternal DNA. But it turns 0:44:56.080 --> 0:45:00.200 out these guys blood situations, they're alleles or whatever, are 0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:03.360 so close that they are definitely blood relatives and this 0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:06.280 guy could be the son because the DNA is super close. 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:08.000 So now they have to go back and look at 0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:10.799 all of Starnes's victims. We've got Martha Shelby who had 0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:14.319 a child that fits the timeline after her assault and 0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:17.600 no father listed. And then Starnes also had a girlfriend 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:19.640 at the time named Pamela Tatum, and she had a 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:22.359 kid while they were together, and he'd be twenty three now. 0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:25.440 So Finn brings up like, wouldn't it be wild if 0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:27.560 the father and the son were both rapists, and Huang 0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:30.160 chimes in and is like, yeah, I mean, some geneticists 0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:33.040 think that violence is inherited, and you know, drink because 0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:35.920 that's basically the name of the episode. And then Benson 0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:38.040 says that theory is ridiculous. It's just another way for 0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:41.440 people to not take responsibility for their actions. And you know, 0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:45.040 we know that in very recent believe. I don't know 0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:47.040 if her mom dies in season two or three, but 0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:49.480 we kind of she's been trying to figure out, like 0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:51.400 who her mother's rapist was and stuff, So we know 0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:53.600 this is going to sort of hit for Live a 0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:56.080 little bit. So then Craigan goes, let's find the guy. 0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:59.120 We can discuss the human genome project later. And then 0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:01.680 Sabler asks Benson if she's all right, and she's like, 0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:05.239 I'm fine, like brushes it off, but obviously not fine. 0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:07.680 So they go talk to Martha Shelby and we find 0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:10.680 out very quickly that her child was born premature and 0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:13.280 only lived for two hours. Feels like something that would 0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:15.239 be a public record and at the very least could 0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:17.680 have been a phone call. But they needed this scene 0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:20.000 so that the woman could have the opportunity to say 0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:22.160 it was better for me not to have the constant 0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:24.200 reminder of my rape and to make Live feel bad 0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:27.040 about herself, like we needed this scene. So now Live 0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:29.600 seems rattled, like, oh my god, was I like a 0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:32.080 constant torture for my mother to face me every. 0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:32.840 Day and whatever? 0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:36.200 Outside Stabler's like, are you going to just pretend this 0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:38.400 isn't bothering you? And she's like, knock it off, Elliott, 0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:41.480 and he's like, what Professor Shelby said in there didn't 0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:43.359 get to you. And she's like, I've been a child 0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:45.319 of rape for a long time. I've known it my 0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:48.840 whole life. I've dealt with it. I'm fine, done, Okay. 0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:51.279 So she's being very maloney here and refusing to talk 0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:53.560 about her feelings now, so. 0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:55.680 She's allowed to not talk about her feelings at work. 0:46:55.480 --> 0:47:00.960 Elliott, Yes, yes, very true. So now we're talking to 0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:04.000 Pamela Tatum. It's Munch and Finn go to talk to 0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:07.319 Pamela Tatum, who was Starnes's living girlfriend, and she's like, 0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:10.200 that motherfucker like lived with me for all these years, 0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:11.680 and you know what I got out of it. He 0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:13.880 raped and killed my best friend in my own building. 0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:16.640 And it's like, fuck, lady, you have had a life. 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:19.560 She's like, I had a son, Michael, but hell no, 0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:22.520 Harold is not his father. And they're kind of like, yeah, 0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:24.040 but you slept with a lot of guys. You don't 0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:25.680 really know who the father is. They're kind of slept 0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.120 shaming her a little bit. Michael walks in and he 0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:30.920 goes what's going on and they're like, well, what's up? 0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:31.480 Where have you been? 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:33.319 And he's like, I've been at my girlfriend's in DC 0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:36.840 for the last two weeks. Munch is like slept, shaming 0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:38.400 the mom for not knowing who the dad is, and 0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:40.600 so Finn tells the son, listen, if you're innocent, you've 0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:42.239 got nothing to hide, but she's like, get out of 0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:44.960 my house. So Michael follows them to the elevator and 0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:47.200 he's like, guys, like, seriously, I didn't do anything. And 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:49.239 he's like, but I don't really want to know if 0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:51.120 I'm Harold's son. Is there a way we could do 0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:53.840 this without DNA? And they're like, what about a lineup? 0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:55.480 Will you stand for a lineup? And he's like, yes, 0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:58.399 of course, because they can ask Helen, although Helen didn't 0:47:58.400 --> 0:47:59.160 see her attacker. 0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:01.040 Oh, they can the woman who got attacked at the 0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:01.760 massage parlor. 0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:05.520 So at the precinct, Craigan tells them, you know, we 0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:06.880 don't need to put Michael in the lineup. 0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:07.800 His alibi cleared. 0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:11.120 He was seen in DC and then Pamela mentioned that 0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:14.480 Starnes lived in Flatbush before Harlem. We never looked at 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:16.680 him for his rapes in Brooklyn, So they go get 0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:19.880 the files. Now we are at the apartment of Susan 0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:22.920 Gwan and this she is played by y Ching Ho 0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:25.120 and she's a very well known actress. She's in another 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:28.440 episode of SVU called Lost Traveler, which we covered early on. 0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:31.480 She's in Nora from Queens. She was just in a 0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:36.000 recent episode of OC and if you've seen Turning Red, 0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:41.279 a very popular Disney movie starring little girls that turned 0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:43.880 into Red Pandas, she's the voice of the grandma. So 0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:45.960 I thought that was fun because I watched that a 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:48.640 couple of times with Rosie. But she's got along IMDb 0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:50.760 and has been working for a long time. And Benson 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:52.960 and Stabler are like, where's your son Darryl, And she's like, 0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:53.360 I don't know. 0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:54.560 Sometimes he doesn't come home. 0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:56.840 And then they ask her about her rape in nineteen 0:48:56.880 --> 0:48:59.520 seventy seven and if she became pregnant as a result, 0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:02.239 and she's very like skittish at first, like is my 0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:04.480 rapist out here? Like is he still out there? And 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:06.320 she's like, no, he'll be in a wheelchair for the 0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:08.399 rest of his life. And that kind of like makes her, 0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:11.040 you know, calm down a little bit, and she confirms 0:49:11.040 --> 0:49:13.879 that he was the father she got pregnant after her 0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:16.400 assault and thought maybe something good could come out of it. 0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:19.960 And then Stabler clocks Daryl in a picture and they 0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:23.000 tell her about the blood at the murder scene and 0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:25.120 she says, oh, no, he's a good boy, and then 0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:27.799 she immediately changes her tune and she goes, no, it's 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:30.360 my fault. I thought my family would accept him because 0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:32.960 he was mine, but they didn't. My parents told me 0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:34.760 to get rid of him, that he was half devil. 0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:37.799 Neighborhood kids taunted him, hurt him. He would cry to 0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:40.720 me every single day. Stabler's like, why didn't you move away? 0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:42.600 And she was like, I guess part of me hated 0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:48.000 him too. Fuck pretty dark. They're looking through his room 0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:50.880 and Stabler is like, he doesn't look like the sketch. 0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:52.759 How come none of them reported that he was half 0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:55.000 Asian and we never really get an answer to that, 0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:56.879 Like none of them said, oh, he's a black man, 0:49:56.920 --> 0:49:57.160 but he. 0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:58.080 Does look half Asian. 0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:01.399 And they find a book on murder in his room 0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:04.560 and hunting human beings, and they find bloody jeens, so 0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:05.560 this is their guy. 0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:06.160 Basically. 0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:08.959 They go to the pharmacy where Darryl is the delivery guy, 0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:10.759 and the boss is like, I knew he was up 0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:13.040 to something. Women kept complaining he was asking them out. 0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:16.000 It's like, and yet you kept him employed. And so 0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:19.360 liv goes through the computer with a quickness. She's like 0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:20.839 blah bla blah bah bah blah blah blah blah bah, 0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:23.279 and she finds Helen and Lucy's mothers are both in 0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:26.120 the system with their home addresses, so that links him 0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:29.160 to the existing victims right away. They go out on 0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:32.600 his delivery route to try to find him. Benson clocks 0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:34.400 him across the street, but he makes them and he 0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:38.400 starts to run. She chases him, and uniformed officers stop 0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:40.319 Daryl and he has his hands up, but Live still 0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:42.879 catches up and slams his ass against the wall. And 0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:45.000 it's one of those like, uh oh, this case is 0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:47.120 really getting to her kind of moments, because that's like 0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:50.080 violence that she doesn't really need to be pertaking in. 0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:52.560 And then they find a water bottle on him and 0:50:52.600 --> 0:50:55.680 guess what's in it? Done Done Bleach. So this guy's 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:57.799 got his bleach water bottle on him and he's ready 0:50:57.840 --> 0:51:00.759 to attack at any moment. I wanted to point out 0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:04.360 that the actor playing Darryl Gwan is Marcus Scott. 0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:09.480 Chong and he is the. 0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:10.879 Child of an African American father and a Chinese mother. 0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:16.279 But he was adopted by Tommy and Shelby Chong when 0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:19.760 he was a teen, when he was like sorry, like eleven. 0:51:20.600 --> 0:51:24.040 So Tommy Chong of Chichen Chong is this guy's adoptive father, 0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:27.840 and so I know totally, like I never realized that. 0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:30.279 So he began acting at nine. 0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:32.640 He's worked for a long time, and then he was 0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:36.480 in The Matrix as this character called Tank, and then 0:51:36.640 --> 0:51:39.319 he had this big problem with the Matrix where he 0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:42.000 wanted more money to be in the next Matrix movies 0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:43.560 and they didn't want to pay him, and he said 0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:48.080 he had a verbal agreement or whatever, and then basically 0:51:48.440 --> 0:51:52.960 they the Wachowski's Wakowski's who make those movies like rejected 0:51:52.960 --> 0:51:55.920 his demands and then he's not in those movies and 0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:57.160 it kind of ended his. 0:51:57.120 --> 0:51:58.399 Career in a little bit of a way. 0:51:58.480 --> 0:52:01.840 I mean, he hasn't been in a movie since twenty thirteen, 0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:04.239 and he hasn't done any TV since an episode of 0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:07.399 Burn Notice in twenty ten. So I think, I don't 0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:09.520 know what's going on. Maybe he's just like hanging out 0:52:09.520 --> 0:52:13.359 with his dad smoking weed. But interesting that I like 0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:16.480 he his biological father. It says was a sports reporter 0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:20.000 on his Wikipedia but I guess he was adopted by 0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:25.160 Tommy and Shelby Chong, so he is this exact ethnicity 0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:25.800 of the character. 0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:27.240 I just thought that was interesting. 0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:30.080 So now the top of Act four, Alex Cabot is 0:52:30.200 --> 0:52:33.520 walking in the courthouse halls and this lady lawyer slides 0:52:33.560 --> 0:52:36.399 up next to her and she's representing Darryl Gwan. And 0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:39.600 this attorney's name is Margo Nelson, played by Diane Baker, 0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:41.840 and I knew I recognized her from somewhere, and that 0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:45.640 is because she plays Senator Ruth Martin in Silence of 0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:49.840 the Lambs, Brooks Smith's mom, the one who he goes 0:52:49.920 --> 0:52:52.200 by the way Senata love you suit that. 0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:53.120 He's talking to her. 0:52:53.280 --> 0:52:56.000 So she's the one that's like, please help me find 0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:58.520 my daughter in Silence of the Lambs. And she's a 0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:00.520 classic actress who I guess has been in a ton 0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:03.600 of stuff, but she has not acted for a while. 0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:07.320 She's still alive, but I think maybe she's retired anyway. 0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:10.759 She's kind of a fancy lawyer, and so you know, 0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:12.960 Cabot's like, this is a little bit above your below 0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:14.839 your pay grade or whatever, and she's like, oh, I'm 0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:18.480 defending Darryl probo now and she's asking Alex to keep 0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:20.880 the death penalty off the table, and Alex is like, girl, 0:53:21.040 --> 0:53:25.560 his crimes were premeditated. He targeted his victims, like based 0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:29.480 on their gender, race, like ancestry, all these things that 0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:31.800 make it a hate crime. So that's in this escalation 0:53:31.880 --> 0:53:34.319 of a sentence right there, and she goes, he's not 0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:36.279 guilty of murder one, and Alex is like, how do 0:53:36.320 --> 0:53:37.120 you define guilt? 0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:39.359 And then Margo gives the Dictionary. 0:53:38.800 --> 0:53:42.480 Definition of guilt and then claims he's not reasoned by 0:53:42.760 --> 0:53:44.839 reason of mental disease or defect, and then she goes, 0:53:44.880 --> 0:53:47.080 my parents made me read the dictionary and walks away. 0:53:47.080 --> 0:53:48.680 And I was like, I bet you're a lot of fun. 0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:54.839 I think, like so cringe yef, like, I guess if 0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:58.680 you're young. But reading definitions from the dictionary to start 0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:03.000 a speech or anything is just it's bad. 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:05.759 No, my siblings did a speech for my wedding and 0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:10.360 Colin started out going Webster's Dictionary defines sister as but 0:54:10.440 --> 0:54:13.480 it was a joke, like he stopped. Of course, it 0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:16.759 was a funny, little funny little number from Collie Call. 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:20.120 It was just so bad. Yeah. 0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:23.840 Yeah, But I also totally probably did that in papers 0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:25.440 when I was like in sixth grade and thought it 0:54:25.560 --> 0:54:26.360 was very clever. 0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:32.080 Yeah, but as an adult it's bad. Yes, yes, don't 0:54:32.120 --> 0:54:32.400 do that. 0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:34.799 If you're about to do a best man speech, a 0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:39.160 speech at work something, don't start with a dictionary definition. Okay, 0:54:39.280 --> 0:54:41.759 unless it's a hilarious joke and you figured out a 0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:45.400 way to flip it on his head. So anyway, Alex 0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:48.440 is now outside on the courtroom steps talking to executive 0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:51.719 Ada stan Valani. He is a character who's in four 0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:55.040 episodes of season three only. He's played by Ron Leebman, 0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:57.720 who also passed away and was married to Jessica Walter, 0:54:57.800 --> 0:55:01.160 who's my absolute favorite from Arrested Development. They were like 0:55:01.280 --> 0:55:04.480 this super in love couple because I remember reading about 0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:07.080 them when she died, and they died within eighteen months 0:55:07.080 --> 0:55:08.279 of each other, so I feel like it was one 0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:09.920 of those things where they couldn't live without each other. 0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:16.200 And Margo wants to prove that Daryl inherited his violent tendencies, 0:55:16.280 --> 0:55:18.720 and Stan is like, well, what about the fry standard. 0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:21.160 It has to be generally accepted by the scientific community, 0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:23.640 and Cabot's like, yeah, but it is kind of generally 0:55:23.680 --> 0:55:26.560 accepted that violence and genetics are linked, and he goes, linked, 0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:29.040 not causative, and Cabot's like, I don't know if a 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:31.480 jury will be able to distinguish between the two, and 0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:33.279 she's like and he's like, well, that's your job to 0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:35.839 make them see between the two. And she's like, well, 0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:37.919 I've got Huang giving him a psych exam right now, 0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:40.279 and he goes, listen, if Margo pulls this off, it's 0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:42.600 going to be Pandora's box. Everything can be blamed on 0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:45.400 Jean's No one will be responsible for their actions. So 0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:48.879 not a good precedence is set. So now we get 0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:52.600 to the interview with Daryl with between Huang and Darryl, 0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:54.800 which is a scene I always remember. It's like buried 0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:58.200 in my brain forever. And he's like, Wang goes, do 0:55:58.280 --> 0:56:00.160 you think you're crazy? And then he's like, well if 0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:02.160 I say that, do I get the death penalty or whatever? 0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:04.839 And then he realizes Swang is Chinese and he goes, 0:56:04.840 --> 0:56:06.680 you're Chinese, right, and he goes, I am, and he 0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:09.600 goes me too, and then he goes, but you're only half, 0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:12.160 aren't you And it's like ouch, but I think you 0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:15.359 know Huang knows the buttons to push, so then he 0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:19.200 calls Huang in Chinese. He calls him something in Chinese, 0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:21.840 and Howang goes, you think I'm a privileged and spoiled landowner. 0:56:21.880 --> 0:56:24.920 Isn't that what native Chinese people call American born Chinese people? 0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:29.360 But you're American born too, And he's like, yeah, Like 0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:31.439 I don't know. He just kind of handles that little 0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:33.440 diss and moves on, and then he's like, was it 0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:35.520 hard to grow up in Chinatown? And Darrel's like no, 0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:37.560 and he's like, because you speak the language really well, 0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:39.319 you know the customs probably better than I do, but 0:56:39.320 --> 0:56:41.400 in Chinatown you're still an outcast. 0:56:41.400 --> 0:56:43.440 He goes, it didn't bother me. And then he's like, well, 0:56:43.440 --> 0:56:44.560 what do you know about your dad? 0:56:44.600 --> 0:56:47.240 And he's like enough, he doesn't remember when he found 0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:49.919 out about the rape, but he said he was young 0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:52.239 and that his grandmother told him, and then he says 0:56:52.280 --> 0:56:55.200 the Chinese word for black devil, and his grandmother called 0:56:55.239 --> 0:56:57.800 him that. So Huang's like, well, how do you feel 0:56:57.840 --> 0:57:00.520 about your father? And he like leans into Huang with 0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:04.000 like a really creepy smile and he whispers, I'm nothing 0:57:04.320 --> 0:57:06.439 like him, and I always just remember that part being 0:57:06.520 --> 0:57:10.160 like h and then Huang's like, actually, bro, there's a 0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:12.920 lot of similarities. You hurt people, you rape them, like 0:57:13.000 --> 0:57:16.640 fatherlike son. And then Darryl freaks out throws a chair 0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:19.640 at the one way glass, which we've seen many times, 0:57:20.040 --> 0:57:21.680 and then Live is on the other side of the 0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:24.080 glass and she looks like very taken aback by this 0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:25.439 whole turn of. 0:57:25.360 --> 0:57:27.440 His, you know, into violence. 0:57:28.360 --> 0:57:30.920 So now we're in court and Margo is asking this 0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:37.840 genetic expert named doctor Coffee and about violence genes, and 0:57:37.880 --> 0:57:39.920 he's like, oh, is there a gene for violence? And 0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:42.800 he goes, there's no exact violence gene, but violent behavior 0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:45.720 can be linked to several abnormal genes. And they're like, well, 0:57:45.760 --> 0:57:48.880 you tested mister gwand does he suffer from these genetic abnormalities. 0:57:49.160 --> 0:57:51.080 He's like, yes, he does, and his father has the 0:57:51.120 --> 0:57:53.440 exact same ones. So they're like, well, so would you 0:57:53.440 --> 0:57:56.720 say he inherited these violent tendencies? Alex objects and says, 0:57:56.760 --> 0:58:00.080 with all your research, you cannot prove that. The judge agrees, 0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:03.040 And the judge is Harvey Adkin, who is Judge Alan 0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:05.480 ridden or also dead. A lot of people from this 0:58:05.520 --> 0:58:07.800 episode are dead, but a lot of people that are 0:58:08.160 --> 0:58:11.240 important to the SBU universe. This guy has done thirteen 0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:13.880 episodes as this judge, so we've seen him before. He's 0:58:13.920 --> 0:58:17.960 done a lot of good, big episodes we've covered. He says, 0:58:18.080 --> 0:58:20.080 let's keep it out of the realm of science fiction, 0:58:20.280 --> 0:58:23.720 Margo or whatever, and then he explains. This guy explains 0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:26.160 like when somebody has cystic fibrosis, if the parents are 0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:29.200 both carriers, the child gets that disease. And if a 0:58:29.280 --> 0:58:31.560 child inherited the genes that made him violent, he would 0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:34.400 also have no way to avoid it. And it's possible 0:58:34.440 --> 0:58:37.760 that Starne's son was born violent as a result of 0:58:37.800 --> 0:58:40.640 these genetic defects. And Cabot objects and says, how did 0:58:40.640 --> 0:58:43.560 we get from inherited genes to inherited behavior? And Margo goes, 0:58:43.840 --> 0:58:46.240 I'll speak slower and use smaller words so you can 0:58:46.360 --> 0:58:48.120 keep up with us, Like I thought you were trying 0:58:48.160 --> 0:58:49.760 to keep the death penalty off the table, bitch. 0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:51.880 You can't keep sassing Cabot like this. 0:58:52.560 --> 0:58:55.920 And so Cabot is like doctor Coffee has not proven 0:58:55.960 --> 0:58:56.760 inherited behavior. 0:58:56.760 --> 0:58:58.480 Are we just going to make up theories as we go? 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:01.240 And Margo's like, no, let's just to you and assistant 0:59:01.240 --> 0:59:04.160 district attorney over a scientific expert. So these two are like, 0:59:04.240 --> 0:59:06.920 fully just bitch fighting in front of the whole jury, 0:59:06.960 --> 0:59:10.600 and the judge sustains Alex's objection and then Margo's like 0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:15.360 nothing further. And so then Alex gets up and expertly like, 0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:16.760 I just like love this next part. 0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:18.240 She really just like handles it. 0:59:18.280 --> 0:59:20.920 She's like, okay, so does everyone with this genetic abnormality 0:59:20.920 --> 0:59:21.680 become a rapist? 0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:22.640 And he's like no. 0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:25.840 She's like, okay, because with cystic vibrosis, which you brought up, 0:59:26.200 --> 0:59:28.240 if parents are carriers, you get it. 0:59:28.280 --> 0:59:28.600 That's it. 0:59:28.640 --> 0:59:30.840 If both parents are carriers, you get it. There's no 0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:33.439 avoiding it. That's not the case with your argument here. 0:59:33.840 --> 0:59:36.360 And he goes, well, a causative connection has yet to 0:59:36.400 --> 0:59:38.560 be established, and that's the whole fucking point. It has 0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:41.520 to be a causative connection. He also said there's other factors, 0:59:41.560 --> 0:59:43.640 like upbringing, and she's like, oh, interesting that you bring 0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:46.360 up upbringing. You've never mentioned that before. So she's like, 0:59:46.400 --> 0:59:48.800 so violence is a combination of many factors, right, and 0:59:48.840 --> 0:59:51.480 he says yes, And then she's like, so you actually 0:59:51.480 --> 0:59:53.000 don't know shit about this and can't speak on this 0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:56.600 topic at all, and then Margo Margo objects, and the 0:59:56.640 --> 0:59:59.840 judge goes counselor, and Alex goes withdrawn. But she basically 1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:02.400 the same shit that Margo just did. So I think 1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:04.240 Alex did a good job of pointing out that these 1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:07.560 are this is not like a legit argument. And then 1:00:08.640 --> 1:00:12.080 we cut to Margo's closing statement, She's like, genetics aside. 1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:14.919 Did Darryl Gwan choose to be the child of rape? 1:00:14.920 --> 1:00:16.800 Did he choose to be brought up in a community 1:00:16.800 --> 1:00:19.600 that hated him? Did he choose to have a genetic defect? 1:00:20.000 --> 1:00:21.920 Now that he's grown up and kind of turned into 1:00:21.960 --> 1:00:24.080 a monster, we just say, too bad. This boy was 1:00:24.080 --> 1:00:26.200 brought up in hell. His grandma called him the devil, 1:00:26.600 --> 1:00:29.120 and he was. He was engineered by nature and by 1:00:29.160 --> 1:00:30.840 nurture to be what he turned out to be. But 1:00:30.920 --> 1:00:34.320 it's not his fault. And then Cabot's like, it's her turn, 1:00:34.320 --> 1:00:35.960 and she's like, he had a hard life. That's no 1:00:36.040 --> 1:00:38.880 excuse for murder. In society, we have to take responsibility 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:41.880 for our actions. What is it to be human? It's 1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:44.800 not just genes, it's not just childhood experiences. He was 1:00:44.840 --> 1:00:47.800 in complete control. He selected his victims, and he tried 1:00:47.800 --> 1:00:50.280 to get away with it, like he brought bleach. He 1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:53.240 knew ways to, you know, get away with it. He 1:00:53.400 --> 1:00:55.120 chose the course of his life. And now he has 1:00:55.160 --> 1:00:57.280 to take responsibility. And then we get a shot of 1:00:57.320 --> 1:00:59.479 Live looking very pensive in the gallery of the court, 1:01:00.440 --> 1:01:02.840 and then we cut too we don't get a verdict. 1:01:02.880 --> 1:01:05.400 Live Benson knocks on Huang's door to let him know 1:01:05.640 --> 1:01:08.160 Darrel's guilty on all charges, and Huang goes, this was 1:01:08.200 --> 1:01:09.040 a tough case for me. 1:01:09.440 --> 1:01:10.840 Seems like it was tough for you too. 1:01:11.440 --> 1:01:14.440 So now Live has to confess her personal life to 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:16.520 Huang as well, saying she tells him she was the 1:01:16.560 --> 1:01:18.760 child of a rape and so for her or yeah, 1:01:18.760 --> 1:01:21.919 it was personal, And she's like, that's the biggest reason 1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:23.600 I became a cop and I joined us for you. 1:01:23.800 --> 1:01:25.400 I used to think it was because I wanted to 1:01:25.440 --> 1:01:28.240 do good and make a difference, but now I'm questioning it. 1:01:28.280 --> 1:01:30.000 Like in my job, I have to be aggressive, I 1:01:30.040 --> 1:01:31.760 have to be violent. I mean, let's think about how 1:01:31.800 --> 1:01:34.560 she slammed Daryl against a wall, even though he'd already 1:01:34.560 --> 1:01:37.720 basically been apprehended. So then Huang says, you think that 1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:40.000 makes you like Daryl, and she goes, I keep trying 1:01:40.040 --> 1:01:42.280 to convince myself that he had a choice. But if 1:01:42.280 --> 1:01:44.400 he had this violence inside of him, then did he 1:01:44.480 --> 1:01:47.880 have a choice? Does anyone? And she's tearing up and 1:01:47.960 --> 1:01:50.520 he goes, you don't hurt people, you protect them. Your 1:01:50.640 --> 1:01:52.880 proof that we do have a choice, and she goes, 1:01:53.040 --> 1:01:56.960 or maybe I'm just lucky, And then executive producer Dick 1:01:57.000 --> 1:01:57.880 Wolf Baby. 1:01:58.320 --> 1:01:59.920 Kind of a wild one, this one. 1:02:00.200 --> 1:02:03.640 I mean, I do like, I don't agree with what 1:02:03.760 --> 1:02:05.600 Darryl Gwand does, but I do feel horrible for a 1:02:05.680 --> 1:02:07.480 kid that grows up in a culture where no one 1:02:07.480 --> 1:02:10.400 accepts him and is literally called names and bullied his 1:02:10.440 --> 1:02:12.280 whole fucking life. He's going to turn into a monster, 1:02:12.440 --> 1:02:16.360 you know, Yeah, but not that you can get away 1:02:16.360 --> 1:02:16.919 with this crime. 1:02:17.440 --> 1:02:18.200 Jail bitch. 1:02:18.520 --> 1:02:23.320 Anyway, That's that a classic, classic, classic, And I'm looking 1:02:23.320 --> 1:02:25.320 forward to hearing about the crime because I don't think 1:02:25.360 --> 1:02:25.680 I know. 1:02:25.880 --> 1:02:29.360 Well, you know what, I actually always get this one 1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:31.480 and the foot one mixed step all the time. 1:02:31.600 --> 1:02:35.320 Yes, but they are different, I do too, but they 1:02:35.320 --> 1:02:37.760 are similar in my mind. At one point, when we 1:02:37.760 --> 1:02:40.200 were like planning air this long time ago, I thought 1:02:40.520 --> 1:02:42.800 Oh yeah, the half Asian, half black guy who cuts 1:02:42.800 --> 1:02:46.080 off women's feet, Like yeah, different, it's a different thing. 1:02:47.280 --> 1:02:47.600 Yeah. 1:02:47.640 --> 1:03:06.640 The crime, you guys are it's infuriating. Stay tuned, okay, 1:03:06.800 --> 1:03:11.360 and we're back. And this crime happens in France. It's 1:03:12.000 --> 1:03:17.120 guy Georges and they've nicknamed him the Beast of the 1:03:17.160 --> 1:03:21.200 Bastille and Bastille is a neighborhood in Paris and that's 1:03:21.200 --> 1:03:24.520 where most of his crimes took place, so that's what 1:03:24.600 --> 1:03:29.480 he was called nicknamed when he was terrorizing Paris. So 1:03:30.120 --> 1:03:32.920 he was born in France in the sixties, and he's classic, 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:35.600 you know, trouble kid in the social care system, and 1:03:35.680 --> 1:03:40.680 he's a sicko, a fucking sicko. He assaulted thirteen women before, 1:03:41.200 --> 1:03:44.240 even before he went on to this murder spree where 1:03:44.400 --> 1:03:48.320 he was eventually convicted of murdering seven women between nineteen 1:03:48.400 --> 1:03:52.760 ninety one and nineteen ninety seven. He was raped his victims, 1:03:52.800 --> 1:03:55.280 he tortured them and murdered them. 1:03:55.640 --> 1:03:56.920 Not good, okay. 1:03:57.600 --> 1:04:03.880 And this guy, like in the episode, he was half black, 1:04:04.440 --> 1:04:07.880 so he was like an Afro European is official description. 1:04:08.680 --> 1:04:11.120 And this caused a lot of problems for him in 1:04:11.160 --> 1:04:14.280 his life. He was a well built guy. This was 1:04:14.280 --> 1:04:17.520 his official description, is that he is a well built guy, 1:04:18.120 --> 1:04:23.360 physically vigorous dude who is tidy, clean, shy, an IQ 1:04:23.600 --> 1:04:25.560 of one oh one, which I don't know what that means, 1:04:26.040 --> 1:04:28.080 and then verbal skills above average. 1:04:28.720 --> 1:04:31.920 So that's the official description. Yeah, I don't actually know 1:04:31.960 --> 1:04:33.040 what a high IQ is. 1:04:33.120 --> 1:04:38.680 I guess because although over one forty is a genius, 1:04:38.760 --> 1:04:44.480 one twenty to one forty is superior intelligence, but ninety 1:04:44.520 --> 1:04:46.560 to one oh nine it says normal or average. So 1:04:46.600 --> 1:04:48.560 I think basically they're just trying to tell you that 1:04:48.600 --> 1:04:50.840 he's not like dull. 1:04:51.080 --> 1:04:56.160 Yeah, yeah, but you know, chatty Kathy. So he was 1:04:56.200 --> 1:04:58.880 really popular in the Paris squatting scene. 1:05:01.280 --> 1:05:01.600 Cool. 1:05:02.040 --> 1:05:05.880 Yeah, he was known as like, uh a swath, cool 1:05:05.920 --> 1:05:10.560 guy with all the squatters, and he would squash beefs 1:05:10.680 --> 1:05:15.200 and was just like a cool dude. But everyone was 1:05:15.440 --> 1:05:18.640 like shocked and they're like, we would never have suspected 1:05:18.800 --> 1:05:21.920 this double life. And it's like, squatters don't have a 1:05:21.960 --> 1:05:24.360 double life. What the hell are you talking about? Like, 1:05:24.840 --> 1:05:26.760 even if it's a choice, like you don't end up 1:05:26.840 --> 1:05:31.720 squatting without a double life. I'm sorry they. 1:05:31.040 --> 1:05:33.240 Anybody has a double life. I have like three friends 1:05:33.280 --> 1:05:35.440 whose dad had secret families. I mean, you just like 1:05:35.520 --> 1:05:37.560 can't say who would have a double life, you know, 1:05:37.720 --> 1:05:39.000 like anybody I know. 1:05:39.160 --> 1:05:41.880 I also really love the new memes circulating that's like 1:05:42.440 --> 1:05:44.479 women moms would never be able to have a double 1:05:44.520 --> 1:05:45.880 life or a second family. 1:05:46.720 --> 1:05:48.120 Yes, we're so fucking busy. 1:05:48.160 --> 1:05:50.640 Can you imagine I'll be back in a couple hours, 1:05:50.760 --> 1:05:52.360 just gonna go be with my second family. 1:05:53.280 --> 1:05:56.560 Never never, wait, did I tell you? 1:05:56.560 --> 1:05:59.440 You know how I do crowd work with dads and so, 1:05:59.680 --> 1:06:02.080 And I was like asking this dad, I'm like, what's 1:06:02.080 --> 1:06:05.560 the longest time you spent alone with your child? And 1:06:05.720 --> 1:06:09.800 he said while she's awake, and so obviously that's not good. 1:06:10.120 --> 1:06:14.400 And then and then the answer came out five hours, 1:06:15.280 --> 1:06:17.880 and you know that wasn't good. The reactions were mixed 1:06:17.920 --> 1:06:21.680 in the crowd, the place got tense, and then the 1:06:21.800 --> 1:06:24.880 dad finally went whatever, I never said. I was a 1:06:24.920 --> 1:06:29.800 good dad. And then I heard later that the couple 1:06:30.040 --> 1:06:33.560 was fighting, that he was rubbing the like the wife's 1:06:33.640 --> 1:06:36.240 back and she wasn't having it, and that it caused 1:06:36.280 --> 1:06:40.400 a real big issue with Oh, the couple, it's not 1:06:40.520 --> 1:06:42.680 my problem, but I guess they were drinking tall boys. 1:06:43.000 --> 1:06:46.040 I don't know what to tell you, but yeah. 1:06:45.360 --> 1:06:47.080 Maybe you should have got Maybe you should have stayed 1:06:47.080 --> 1:06:49.320 home with the baby that night. Maybe this was the 1:06:49.400 --> 1:06:52.880 show for you. Maybe this wasn't the show for you, sir. 1:06:53.400 --> 1:06:55.800 No, I can say my husband stayed home for eight 1:06:55.920 --> 1:06:58.680 days with our kids by himself, seven days, I mean, 1:06:58.800 --> 1:07:01.520 with some child wildcare involved as well. 1:07:01.560 --> 1:07:04.000 But the fact that it's even a question to be 1:07:04.080 --> 1:07:07.120 asked is an issue to me. Yeah, I think that's 1:07:07.120 --> 1:07:11.280 the point. But you know whatever, the rubbing of the 1:07:11.320 --> 1:07:11.960 back was funny. 1:07:12.000 --> 1:07:13.960 He was probably proud of himself when he said five 1:07:14.000 --> 1:07:17.120 hours too. He's probably like five hours, like the right, 1:07:17.240 --> 1:07:19.840 the right amount of time, the time that most dads spend. 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:21.560 But I just love that on SVU. 1:07:21.600 --> 1:07:24.200 If a mom just has a joint, it's like, you know, 1:07:24.240 --> 1:07:27.120 we need to burn her in the steak, right, Like that's. 1:07:27.400 --> 1:07:30.160 I played charades. I played charades and took two hits 1:07:30.160 --> 1:07:33.160 of weed. Get CPS in here and get her kids 1:07:33.200 --> 1:07:33.760 away from her. 1:07:34.280 --> 1:07:37.200 Yeah. 1:07:37.240 --> 1:07:41.880 So on all accounts back to guys, George, popular Squatter, 1:07:42.760 --> 1:07:47.440 average IQ and uh and all accounts a psychopath who 1:07:47.480 --> 1:07:51.400 stabbed women with butcher knives, and he was a loner, 1:07:51.520 --> 1:07:54.320 and he would prowl through Paris at night and he 1:07:54.360 --> 1:07:57.200 would pick women out of a crowd who seemed confident, 1:07:57.320 --> 1:08:01.160 had energy, and he would feed on their energy. And 1:08:01.360 --> 1:08:04.880 he would take these powerful, fun women and he would 1:08:04.880 --> 1:08:06.560 make them submit to his power. 1:08:06.960 --> 1:08:09.000 And that's what he got off, got off on. 1:08:09.840 --> 1:08:13.560 Four psychiatrists studied him after he went into custody, and 1:08:13.680 --> 1:08:16.439 taking him into custody took decades. 1:08:16.760 --> 1:08:17.439 You guys are. 1:08:17.280 --> 1:08:20.720 Going to be so pissed hearing the journey of this 1:08:20.720 --> 1:08:24.599 guy in his crimes. Get put buckle up. Buckle up, 1:08:24.680 --> 1:08:27.400 whether you're in a car or not, buckle up. So 1:08:28.560 --> 1:08:33.639 one of the psycho psychiatrists, doctor Henry grin Span, it's 1:08:33.680 --> 1:08:35.759 green Span, but French so have fun. 1:08:35.880 --> 1:08:37.759 No, I don't know, maybe he's from a different criticy. 1:08:37.840 --> 1:08:39.680 It's so funny to me that this guy's name is 1:08:39.680 --> 1:08:41.760 Onnri and then his last name is grin Span. I 1:08:41.760 --> 1:08:43.680 mean there's no way to say that in French. So 1:08:43.920 --> 1:08:47.360 like glass Band, like Hanri, grin. 1:08:47.120 --> 1:08:50.720 Span like it is. 1:08:51.160 --> 1:08:53.680 It is gonna be like horrific crimes. You guys are 1:08:53.680 --> 1:08:55.519 gonna be angry. And then I think you will giggle 1:08:55.560 --> 1:08:57.360 a little bit with me trying to pronounce all these 1:08:57.400 --> 1:09:00.719 people's names, and I'll try to be respectful as possible, 1:09:00.760 --> 1:09:06.640 because you know, the victims suffered. But yes, so what 1:09:06.640 --> 1:09:10.000 what Henry uh didn't even do that accident? Okay, so 1:09:10.080 --> 1:09:13.720 what Henry said was end quote. What was unbearable for 1:09:13.840 --> 1:09:17.320 him was the other person's successful life, which reflected his 1:09:17.400 --> 1:09:22.719 own feelings of frustration and failure. The psychiatrists became obsessed 1:09:22.720 --> 1:09:26.120 with him, like little fanboys instead of disgust, which also 1:09:26.400 --> 1:09:29.840 like fully pisses me off, Like they became fascinated by 1:09:29.880 --> 1:09:32.240 this man who hid his real nature. 1:09:32.360 --> 1:09:33.800 And it's like we all fucking do it. 1:09:33.880 --> 1:09:36.519 Like I'm just so sick of these people that are like, ooh, 1:09:36.680 --> 1:09:37.679 this double life. 1:09:37.680 --> 1:09:38.519 We couldn't believe it. 1:09:38.560 --> 1:09:40.800 And it's like, yeah, you know, most people just binge 1:09:40.840 --> 1:09:42.439 eat in the dark, you know what I mean? Like 1:09:42.720 --> 1:09:45.920 I don't like, don't you don't have to stab someone 1:09:45.960 --> 1:09:49.040 to death because you're sad, Like I just fucking hate this. Well. 1:09:49.280 --> 1:09:51.679 I think that they look at it like people sometimes 1:09:51.720 --> 1:09:53.479 look at it like it's some kind of spy movie 1:09:53.520 --> 1:09:55.680 and they're like, how cool that they were able to 1:09:55.720 --> 1:09:57.600 pull this off, And it's like, no, you were like 1:09:57.840 --> 1:10:02.160 murdering people in your free time, that's what you were doing. Yeah, 1:10:02.240 --> 1:10:04.680 Or it's like the lying and manipulating. It's like, I 1:10:04.680 --> 1:10:07.160 guess we're all capable of it and we choose not to. 1:10:07.240 --> 1:10:10.439 It's not like some impressive diabolical thing, like oh fuck, 1:10:10.680 --> 1:10:13.120 because we've been talking a lot about this because of 1:10:13.160 --> 1:10:16.679 scandabal and like vander Pomp and like yet. 1:10:16.560 --> 1:10:21.439 You're not, it's sick. You're just your scum, your fucking scum. 1:10:21.439 --> 1:10:24.080 And of course this man had girlfriends the whole time, 1:10:24.120 --> 1:10:28.000 of course, and one of his girlfriends, Sandrine, recalled that 1:10:28.080 --> 1:10:32.400 he made love to her on average eight times a day, okay, 1:10:32.439 --> 1:10:38.160 Larsa and constantly talked about starting a family in the 1:10:38.200 --> 1:10:42.360 squatting area. So how did this all happen? He was 1:10:42.360 --> 1:10:45.960 abandoned by his mother when he was six, so not good, 1:10:46.520 --> 1:10:50.439 and his father's identity was concealed from him by this 1:10:50.520 --> 1:10:56.240 illegal maneuver, which the psychiatrists call a genealogical death, so 1:10:56.680 --> 1:11:01.080 like not knowing your pastor parents or anything. They call 1:11:01.120 --> 1:11:03.680 it a genealogical death, which I guess you know is 1:11:03.720 --> 1:11:07.640 hard for people, not not trivializing it. But so his 1:11:07.760 --> 1:11:10.519 mother abandoned him to state custody because she wanted to 1:11:10.520 --> 1:11:14.000 marry a US service man and leave to California, where 1:11:14.040 --> 1:11:16.920 she still lives to this day. And she took her 1:11:16.960 --> 1:11:21.080 other son with her, Stefan, and he was three years 1:11:21.120 --> 1:11:24.439 older than his brother and conceived by another American. She 1:11:24.640 --> 1:11:27.800 was really hot for Americans. The difference between the two 1:11:27.800 --> 1:11:32.519 boys is Stefan is white and Guy is black, and 1:11:32.600 --> 1:11:35.479 so both were fathered by military dudes. 1:11:35.520 --> 1:11:37.280 She just like loves military vibes. 1:11:37.360 --> 1:11:41.799 So Stefan's dad was a white US serviceman and Guy's 1:11:41.840 --> 1:11:45.200 father was a US military cook stationed at a NATO base, 1:11:45.800 --> 1:11:48.960 And so her family was down to take Stefan, but 1:11:49.040 --> 1:11:50.880 refused Guy because he was black. 1:11:51.040 --> 1:11:54.720 So very closely tied to the episode. 1:11:55.200 --> 1:11:58.840 And even during the six years she had Guy, he 1:11:58.960 --> 1:12:03.360 bounced from Foster, her homes and his mother's house and her. 1:12:03.600 --> 1:12:07.200 The mom's house was in a super stuffy provincial town. 1:12:07.320 --> 1:12:10.559 And I always think of where a belle from Beauty 1:12:10.600 --> 1:12:13.360 and the Beast lived, so very judgmental. 1:12:13.439 --> 1:12:16.400 There must be more than this provincial life. Yeah, yeah, 1:12:16.479 --> 1:12:16.680 you know. 1:12:16.800 --> 1:12:21.040 There's Baker's, there's a lot of eggs, there's a book shop. 1:12:21.479 --> 1:12:24.599 This is this is what I'm imagining there's a beast 1:12:24.680 --> 1:12:27.240 who lives in a mansion with a bunch of dancing cutlery. 1:12:27.320 --> 1:12:29.240 Yeah, it's like that. It's that, Yeahah. 1:12:29.920 --> 1:12:34.679 And the town there was an intolerable social stigma attached 1:12:34.680 --> 1:12:37.840 to mixed race birth, and so he did not have 1:12:37.920 --> 1:12:41.080 a good upbringing at all. So it was like he 1:12:41.200 --> 1:12:45.000 was either in this like horrible town where the mom's 1:12:45.040 --> 1:12:47.720 family hated him, the town hated him, or he was 1:12:47.760 --> 1:12:51.000 in like bouncing around to foster homes. And then when 1:12:51.000 --> 1:12:53.040 he was finally given up as a ward of the state, 1:12:53.160 --> 1:12:56.439 a condition of the abandonment was the the they issued 1:12:56.479 --> 1:13:00.280 a new birth certificate with false information to prevent him 1:13:00.320 --> 1:13:04.759 from ever knowing his origins. And that's what I said 1:13:04.840 --> 1:13:10.200 earlier about this genealogical death type thing. This practice was 1:13:10.240 --> 1:13:14.240 eventually banned in nineteen ninety six since it's a deprivation 1:13:14.400 --> 1:13:18.120 of basic rites. His surrogate mother was Gene Morin, and 1:13:18.200 --> 1:13:21.839 she was Catholic as hell. So she had twelve foster 1:13:21.960 --> 1:13:23.679 children and seven of her own. 1:13:24.240 --> 1:13:27.240 Damn. Yeah, so classic Catholic. 1:13:27.439 --> 1:13:30.719 And he started stealing from his family, you know, classic 1:13:30.800 --> 1:13:32.840 kind of killer vibes, got a knife and started to 1:13:32.920 --> 1:13:36.320 hunt and kill animals very early, and then at sixteen 1:13:36.360 --> 1:13:39.519 he attacked two of his foster sisters. He attempted to 1:13:39.560 --> 1:13:44.560 strangle his adoptive sisters Rosalin and Christian in the seventies 1:13:44.640 --> 1:13:46.720 and because of these attacks, he was placed into a 1:13:46.760 --> 1:13:51.160 state orphanage for adolescence at seventeen. In nineteen seventy nine 1:13:51.280 --> 1:13:55.360 was his first non familial assault, the attempted strangulation of 1:13:55.360 --> 1:13:58.519 a woman, Pascal Sea, but thank god, she was able 1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:02.240 to escape and he was arrested by police and then 1:14:02.600 --> 1:14:11.880 released a week later. Jesus one week okay, So that 1:14:12.080 --> 1:14:14.000 was great because then he was able to commit two 1:14:14.080 --> 1:14:18.200 more attacks. So in May nineteen eighty he did two 1:14:18.200 --> 1:14:22.760 separate attacks on women, Joscelyn S and Rosalind C. They 1:14:22.760 --> 1:14:26.200 were both attacked and Roslin was stabbed in the fucking face. 1:14:26.600 --> 1:14:30.200 Oh my god, both of them survived, Thank god. He 1:14:30.240 --> 1:14:33.560 was arrested and he served a year and then released. 1:14:35.600 --> 1:14:38.760 So he ran around Paris committing petty crimes. And then 1:14:38.880 --> 1:14:41.679 finally in nineteen eighty one, he committed his first rape 1:14:41.720 --> 1:14:45.840 and with stabbings. It was his neighbor Natalie C. And 1:14:45.920 --> 1:14:49.080 he left her for dead, but again, thank god, she survived. 1:14:49.680 --> 1:14:52.759 And then in nineteen eighty two, he attacked another victim 1:14:52.880 --> 1:14:56.680 who escaped, Violet K and she was raped, stabbed, and 1:14:56.800 --> 1:14:59.599 strangled but lived, thank goodness. 1:15:00.280 --> 1:15:03.280 He was then only sentenced to eighteen months in prison. 1:15:03.560 --> 1:15:09.839 Wait, in what world is that's attempted murder twice and rape? 1:15:10.680 --> 1:15:12.760 That's fucked up? Paris what's going on? 1:15:13.280 --> 1:15:17.960 Like it's you know, because we think America is so 1:15:18.120 --> 1:15:21.080 fucked and it is, but it's everywhere. Men are everywhere, 1:15:21.240 --> 1:15:24.400 the justice systems, it's everywhere. Like what the fuck are 1:15:24.400 --> 1:15:26.599 we talking about? And obviously I don't love living in 1:15:26.600 --> 1:15:29.479 like a prison state that's like so racist and fucked. 1:15:29.479 --> 1:15:30.000 But it's like. 1:15:30.520 --> 1:15:33.960 What, yeah, but it's like which one were we talking about? 1:15:34.439 --> 1:15:36.439 I mean, I I'll never remember it because like but 1:15:36.520 --> 1:15:37.719 it was like a guy who. 1:15:37.680 --> 1:15:39.960 The Scotland one. It was the London Scotland. 1:15:40.160 --> 1:15:42.080 Yeah, Like he did one thing and then they put 1:15:42.160 --> 1:15:43.800 him in for like a year, and then another one 1:15:43.800 --> 1:15:46.919 and then it's like it's like this is escalation of behavior. 1:15:47.840 --> 1:15:49.840 It's truly insane. 1:15:50.040 --> 1:15:55.600 Eighteen months for rape, strangulation, stabbing, nabbing women for deaths, 1:15:55.680 --> 1:15:58.240 Like what the fuck? 1:15:58.479 --> 1:15:59.760 Lock this fucker up? 1:15:59.800 --> 1:16:03.080 He doesn't want to stop and right when he's released, 1:16:03.120 --> 1:16:06.960 he goes back. So February nineteen eighty four, this motherfucker 1:16:07.000 --> 1:16:12.160 attacks another Pascal, so Pascal in he rapes this woman, 1:16:12.320 --> 1:16:16.880 stabs her, she survives, alerts police, and finally they put 1:16:16.960 --> 1:16:20.760 him away for ten years. So but for me, it's 1:16:20.840 --> 1:16:24.000 like he's proven he doesn't want to stop, so like 1:16:24.120 --> 1:16:28.080 why ten years is still not even enough in my eyes, Like, yeah, 1:16:28.120 --> 1:16:31.680 it doesn't make sense to me, so so whatever, But 1:16:31.880 --> 1:16:34.960 he's such a good boy in jail. By the end 1:16:35.000 --> 1:16:37.760 of his sentence, they allow him for day releases, so 1:16:37.800 --> 1:16:39.599 I guess in France you're allowed to like. 1:16:40.280 --> 1:16:41.680 Go out and hang out for the day and then 1:16:41.720 --> 1:16:44.160 go back to jail. Yeah, give me a break. 1:16:45.240 --> 1:16:47.840 But so he's allowed to do field trips and then 1:16:47.920 --> 1:16:50.160 one time he just doesn't come back. 1:16:50.840 --> 1:16:51.800 Why would he come back? 1:16:52.080 --> 1:16:55.120 So January twenty fourth, that night he didn't return to prison. 1:16:55.240 --> 1:16:58.160 He just went to Paris committed a murder. He killed 1:16:58.160 --> 1:17:01.840 a nineteen year old student, Pascal Escrafell. God, every woman 1:17:01.880 --> 1:17:06.320 in Parison's time is named Pascal. Then went back to 1:17:06.360 --> 1:17:09.040 prison a week later and was like, what's up, guys, 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:11.599 And that's it, and they released him April fourth, nineteen 1:17:11.680 --> 1:17:12.120 ninety two. 1:17:12.439 --> 1:17:15.479 He doesn't get tried or added sentencing on for the 1:17:15.680 --> 1:17:17.160 I don't know if he was called. He wasn't called. 1:17:17.200 --> 1:17:19.200 He just like murdered someone and went back and like, 1:17:19.280 --> 1:17:21.519 I don't think they tied it to him, nothing, like, 1:17:21.840 --> 1:17:23.040 oh my god, he just. 1:17:23.000 --> 1:17:24.640 He didn't even do ten years. Because you said they 1:17:24.640 --> 1:17:26.400 got him in eighty four. He was out in ninety two. 1:17:26.439 --> 1:17:27.760 That's not even ten Yeah. 1:17:28.000 --> 1:17:31.840 Fuck, okay, just committed a murder, didn't go back to 1:17:32.000 --> 1:17:36.160 jail on his release, and that's that. Then he assaulted 1:17:36.240 --> 1:17:39.679 and attacked more people. A woman named eleanor, a woman 1:17:39.720 --> 1:17:45.360 named Annie, Elizabeth, Melanie, Valerie, all attacked and then he 1:17:45.439 --> 1:17:49.920 went on and murdered for six more years. He took 1:17:49.960 --> 1:17:55.120 the lives of Catherine Rocher twenty seven years old, Elsa 1:17:55.400 --> 1:18:02.120 Bennati twenty two, Agnes I think that's Nike, Agnes Nicamp 1:18:02.200 --> 1:18:08.519 thirty two, Helene Franking twenty seven, Megali Serati nineteen and 1:18:08.840 --> 1:18:13.040 Estelle Magged twenty five. And I apologize if I said 1:18:13.040 --> 1:18:15.880 any of those names wrong. May all of these women 1:18:16.080 --> 1:18:20.200 rest in peace. I am so sorry for the horrific 1:18:20.240 --> 1:18:22.240 way that you had to die at the hands of 1:18:22.280 --> 1:18:27.800 these this deranged lunatic and the horrific way that the 1:18:27.920 --> 1:18:30.160 fucking France dealt with this man. 1:18:30.439 --> 1:18:32.559 How are they not just like after the first body 1:18:32.600 --> 1:18:36.599 pops up, revisiting him like I'm so con like six 1:18:36.680 --> 1:18:38.080 years of just murdering. 1:18:38.479 --> 1:18:39.639 Yeah. Wow. 1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:42.480 Five of the women were killed in their Paris apartments, 1:18:43.000 --> 1:18:45.240 four of them around midnight. Two of the other women 1:18:46.000 --> 1:18:49.720 were found raped with their throat throats cut in underground 1:18:49.760 --> 1:18:53.599 car parks. Now, during the murder spree, he also found 1:18:53.680 --> 1:18:55.960 time to like assault women in the Bastille area for 1:18:56.040 --> 1:18:59.640 fun as well. So March twenty seventh, nineteen ninety eight, 1:18:59.760 --> 1:19:02.800 is finally arrested in montmart and it took forever to 1:19:02.840 --> 1:19:06.000 get him because, according to the Guardian, it was slappy 1:19:06.040 --> 1:19:11.960 police work because rival police squads like weren't weren't working together. 1:19:12.400 --> 1:19:15.320 So like some were working on the murders in the flats, 1:19:15.360 --> 1:19:18.040 you know, like in the apartments, and then like some 1:19:18.400 --> 1:19:21.719 were working on the underground car parks, and they failed 1:19:21.720 --> 1:19:24.400 to see the link between the two series of killings, 1:19:25.000 --> 1:19:29.000 despite several striking similarities obviously between all of these killings, 1:19:29.320 --> 1:19:32.599 and so and also the police were just very sure 1:19:32.600 --> 1:19:35.439 that serial killers were a white thing, and so they 1:19:35.439 --> 1:19:37.600 were just stubborn and they refused to believe like a 1:19:37.640 --> 1:19:38.720 black person could do it. 1:19:38.800 --> 1:19:41.599 So they just refused. 1:19:42.240 --> 1:19:45.920 To investigate him as a serial killer. And so that 1:19:46.000 --> 1:19:50.040 obviously caused time, like cost time and lives. One of 1:19:50.040 --> 1:19:54.439 the victims, Helene, the police didn't even question any of 1:19:54.479 --> 1:19:58.400 the neighbors until twenty three months after she was killed. 1:19:58.760 --> 1:20:02.680 I'm sure their memories were sho his tacks two years later, Jesus. 1:20:02.439 --> 1:20:06.160 And then one of his surviving victims, like they first 1:20:06.160 --> 1:20:08.800 sketch artists to do a portrait, it wasn't drawn until 1:20:08.840 --> 1:20:13.080 twenty eight months after the attack. Fucking crazy and so 1:20:13.240 --> 1:20:15.599 and then there were just like tons of other accurate 1:20:15.600 --> 1:20:18.599 descriptions from survivors and witnesses that were straight up ignored. 1:20:19.439 --> 1:20:21.400 And also let's not forget that they had him under 1:20:21.479 --> 1:20:24.120 arrest multiple times before this, linking him to all these 1:20:24.160 --> 1:20:27.760 crimes and then just kept letting him go whatever. So 1:20:27.840 --> 1:20:31.599 after his arrest, he did confess to police. Following his arrest, 1:20:31.720 --> 1:20:34.120 and there was DNA found at four of the crime scenes. 1:20:34.760 --> 1:20:38.840 For his trial, he was found legally sane and you know, 1:20:38.880 --> 1:20:43.560 fit to stand trial, but he was declared a narcissistic psychopath, 1:20:44.360 --> 1:20:48.759 which makes sense and proven because even though he confessed 1:20:48.840 --> 1:20:51.600 and there was DNA, he still pled not guilty to 1:20:51.640 --> 1:20:55.960 the charges very sand of all, and the psychiatrists decided 1:20:56.040 --> 1:20:58.600 that he saw his victims not as people, only as 1:20:58.680 --> 1:21:04.800 objects to support hisse attempts to appropriate their inner qualities. Eventually, 1:21:04.920 --> 1:21:08.120 he did just admit guilt and was sentenced to life 1:21:08.280 --> 1:21:11.360 on April fifth, two thousand and one, without the possibility 1:21:11.360 --> 1:21:12.799 of parole for twenty two years. 1:21:12.840 --> 1:21:16.200 But like, why even the possibility of parole. 1:21:16.760 --> 1:21:19.320 Yeah, this is a person that literally can't stop killing 1:21:19.360 --> 1:21:22.200 and doesn't see people as people. And it took twenty 1:21:22.240 --> 1:21:25.599 four years for him to get life of like him 1:21:25.600 --> 1:21:26.479 committing crimes. 1:21:26.760 --> 1:21:29.559 It's insane wild. He is alive today. 1:21:30.560 --> 1:21:36.080 He is in jail, he's at the Maison Centrell and 1:21:36.200 --> 1:21:39.599 his time or whatever. He says, he feels at home 1:21:39.640 --> 1:21:42.000 in prison and he really thrives there and it is 1:21:42.000 --> 1:21:44.200 where he belongs. So have fun in there, you fucker. 1:21:45.160 --> 1:21:47.320 He is too dangerous to be on the outside. And 1:21:47.360 --> 1:21:50.360 he said that himself. He knows he belongs in prison, 1:21:51.200 --> 1:21:53.960 and he is a true, true narcissist. He does not 1:21:54.040 --> 1:21:57.160 believe it's his fault. He told one of the psychiatrists. 1:21:57.160 --> 1:21:59.040 I don't see why I should be the only one 1:21:59.080 --> 1:22:01.960 to pay for this, And he is referring to the 1:22:02.040 --> 1:22:04.960 lax way the French prison system let him out even 1:22:05.000 --> 1:22:09.360 though they diagnosed him as extremely dangerous nearly twenty years ago, 1:22:09.840 --> 1:22:12.080 and after they let him go onto the streets is 1:22:12.160 --> 1:22:14.360 without any treatment, money, or care. 1:22:14.640 --> 1:22:16.439 So I'm with him there like. 1:22:17.920 --> 1:22:23.719 They legitterate, like, wow, this extremely dangerous psychopath, get back 1:22:23.760 --> 1:22:24.560 out there. 1:22:24.640 --> 1:22:28.839 Oh day release, have fun. Yeah. 1:22:29.040 --> 1:22:32.040 He also, of course feels resentment for his birthright and 1:22:32.080 --> 1:22:35.800 how it was stolen from him, and that officials obstructed 1:22:35.840 --> 1:22:38.720 his attempts to find his father, and so that's why 1:22:38.760 --> 1:22:41.000 he stabbed and murdered and raped young women. 1:22:41.880 --> 1:22:43.320 Cool, really unique. 1:22:43.920 --> 1:22:47.520 And then also I think he kind of lost it 1:22:47.560 --> 1:22:49.519 because then he started to claim that he was framed 1:22:49.520 --> 1:22:53.240 by the French secret service because he supposedly stole an 1:22:53.280 --> 1:22:59.639 official limousine carrying confidential documents. Okay, that's a final thing. 1:23:00.120 --> 1:23:02.840 Netflix does have a documentary. I did not watch it. 1:23:02.880 --> 1:23:04.760 I turned it on and then I went, you know what, 1:23:05.040 --> 1:23:08.519 I don't want to watch it, not today, not today. Well, 1:23:08.520 --> 1:23:11.800 if anyone wants to, yes, if anyone wants to, and 1:23:11.840 --> 1:23:14.960 you're in the headspace, which I was not in. It 1:23:15.080 --> 1:23:18.360 is called The Woman, The Women and the Murderer. So 1:23:18.479 --> 1:23:20.719 if you would like to watch The Women and the Murderer, 1:23:21.280 --> 1:23:24.280 it is on Netflix and it is about the Beast 1:23:24.760 --> 1:23:28.560 of best Steel and you can learn more about him. 1:23:29.080 --> 1:23:32.800 I never heard about this case. Wow. Interesting, It's really. 1:23:32.560 --> 1:23:34.719 Not that much to read about him, Like I couldn't 1:23:34.720 --> 1:23:38.879 find that many sources, but I'm sure there's tons in French. 1:23:39.000 --> 1:23:45.920 But yeah, fuck police a cab forever everywhere, all the time, like. 1:23:45.880 --> 1:23:46.240 Go for it. 1:23:46.479 --> 1:23:49.880 Also, I mean, I like to think that nowadays this 1:23:49.920 --> 1:23:53.240 wouldn't happen, but it probably would. I mean, like you know, 1:23:53.479 --> 1:23:56.080 like who the Scotland one that we were to, or 1:23:56.160 --> 1:24:00.400 the Scotland yard or what was the ripper and he 1:24:00.520 --> 1:24:03.920 was doing it like yeah, they just he was right there, 1:24:04.080 --> 1:24:05.600 like and they he just slipped through their fingers a 1:24:05.600 --> 1:24:08.880 million times and it's like, I don't know, it doesn't 1:24:08.880 --> 1:24:11.519 feel like it's very very different from the US to 1:24:11.600 --> 1:24:14.920 the UK, to bears brands you know all over the 1:24:14.920 --> 1:24:15.599 place of the Coulture. 1:24:15.640 --> 1:24:18.679 No, it's probably like a personality trait that you want 1:24:18.680 --> 1:24:21.120 to be a cop that probably makes you the worst too. 1:24:21.760 --> 1:24:22.040 Yeah. 1:24:22.080 --> 1:24:24.240 And also I feel like a lot of times, especially 1:24:24.240 --> 1:24:26.840 when there's like somebody that's now the beast of best 1:24:26.840 --> 1:24:29.080 deal and it becomes like a myth, and then they 1:24:29.080 --> 1:24:31.880 all want to get the credit. So like the warring different, 1:24:32.160 --> 1:24:35.360 Like cops are like all trying to win the win 1:24:35.439 --> 1:24:37.280 the big prize at the end instead of working together 1:24:37.360 --> 1:24:38.960 and just fucking finding the guy, you. 1:24:38.840 --> 1:24:43.760 Know, while like young women are getting fucking murdered. 1:24:44.479 --> 1:24:46.680 Yeah, what a scary that must have been. 1:24:46.840 --> 1:24:49.120 Like, I mean, but that's like a round sun of 1:24:49.160 --> 1:24:51.679 sam time. Right, It's like there's just no cool city 1:24:51.680 --> 1:24:53.439 in the world to live in where women are not 1:24:53.520 --> 1:24:55.040 just getting murdered left and right. 1:24:55.439 --> 1:24:58.920 It's just like, if you're stabbing in what do you 1:24:59.000 --> 1:24:59.960 mean a year? 1:25:00.280 --> 1:25:01.479 What do you mean a week? Like, what do you 1:25:01.479 --> 1:25:04.719 mean ten years? Put him out? Lock him up, lock 1:25:04.800 --> 1:25:08.920 him up. What I don't understand. I don't understand releasing 1:25:08.960 --> 1:25:11.559 people like that that are stabbing women in the face 1:25:11.600 --> 1:25:12.840 with butcher knives, like. 1:25:14.200 --> 1:25:16.840 And strange women. Understand strange women. 1:25:16.880 --> 1:25:19.200 It's not like these are crimes of passion or something, 1:25:19.240 --> 1:25:21.160 which I also don't like. I'm not like giving those 1:25:21.160 --> 1:25:23.760 a pass, but I'm just saying he's out there targeting, 1:25:24.040 --> 1:25:26.519 you know, fucked up. All right, Well, thanks for doing 1:25:26.600 --> 1:25:30.680 all that research, and we have a great guest. We 1:25:30.760 --> 1:25:32.680 had a We're really excited for you guys to hear 1:25:32.720 --> 1:25:34.800 this interview, so stay right where you. 1:25:34.760 --> 1:25:42.439 Are, guys. 1:25:42.520 --> 1:25:45.560 Our guest today is an actor who has worked steadily 1:25:45.680 --> 1:25:49.519 for the last twenty years. He's had recent roles in Clause, 1:25:49.920 --> 1:25:53.400 one of my faves, and the DCTV series Stargirl, and 1:25:53.439 --> 1:25:56.320 he was also in the live action version of Mulan NBD. 1:25:56.880 --> 1:25:59.879 And you know him also from another episode of SVU 1:26:00.040 --> 1:26:03.439 called Counselor It's Chinatown, but on today's episode you know 1:26:03.520 --> 1:26:07.479 him as the slippery Johnny Chen. Guys, enjoy our convo 1:26:07.600 --> 1:26:12.519 with the very talented Nelson Lee Nelson welcome, Thank. 1:26:12.360 --> 1:26:14.760 You so much. No, no, not at all. It is 1:26:14.760 --> 1:26:17.000 so much fun. It's funny because I had to actually 1:26:17.000 --> 1:26:18.599 go back and watch it because I was like, it's 1:26:18.640 --> 1:26:24.160 been forever. You're a baby, I am an actual baby. 1:26:26.600 --> 1:26:30.040 If your gelled up, spiky hair and like god, silver 1:26:30.160 --> 1:26:31.000 bead necklace. 1:26:31.479 --> 1:26:34.320 Yeah, that thing that choker I had on was like amazing. 1:26:34.439 --> 1:26:37.680 I wish it was mine, but it was well. 1:26:37.720 --> 1:26:40.880 Because it's also so hard sometimes to get people from 1:26:40.880 --> 1:26:43.639 those older episodes and like to remember stuff. 1:26:43.680 --> 1:26:45.280 So thanks for watching it too. 1:26:45.439 --> 1:26:47.360 Of course, of course, no, I was kind of. 1:26:47.280 --> 1:26:49.880 Interested, and we just saw you so recently in the 1:26:50.040 --> 1:26:53.600 Counselor It's Chinatown episode, so I was like, that's yeah 1:26:53.680 --> 1:26:54.880 in this episode. 1:26:54.479 --> 1:26:56.439 And I was like, oh my god, is that him? 1:26:56.479 --> 1:26:58.880 Because you just look so young. You're like a little baby. 1:26:58.960 --> 1:27:01.680 I know. Yeah, I graduated to a detective. That's when 1:27:01.720 --> 1:27:02.400 you know you're older. 1:27:03.120 --> 1:27:05.280 You stopped being in a gang, you went to the 1:27:05.280 --> 1:27:06.200 police academy. 1:27:06.400 --> 1:27:06.679 Wow. 1:27:06.880 --> 1:27:09.840 Yeah, I went clean Stabler, like, they put me on 1:27:09.880 --> 1:27:11.400 the right track. You're good. Huge. 1:27:11.880 --> 1:27:15.599 But the Dick Wolf Universe were your like first official jobs, yeah, 1:27:15.760 --> 1:27:17.200 as an actor. Yeah. You know. 1:27:17.320 --> 1:27:20.200 It's funny because I always think and I can't remember, 1:27:20.200 --> 1:27:23.000 but I almost think that OZ was my first job. 1:27:24.040 --> 1:27:26.880 But I think, but it's it's always listed as the 1:27:26.880 --> 1:27:29.519 first before, but I honestly cannot remember. But they came 1:27:29.560 --> 1:27:31.800 at the same kind of time. And the only reason 1:27:31.800 --> 1:27:34.799 I think it was OZ was first because I remember 1:27:34.840 --> 1:27:38.200 being on Law and Order, like, hey, I just saw you. 1:27:38.680 --> 1:27:42.519 Because he was also, of course Chris Maloney also on OZ. 1:27:42.560 --> 1:27:44.240 I mean that was when back in the day when 1:27:44.240 --> 1:27:45.759 everyone in New York was like in everything. 1:27:46.360 --> 1:27:51.439 Yeah, so we hear he's like a serious, maybe prickly guy. 1:27:51.560 --> 1:27:52.400 Did he remember you? 1:27:52.600 --> 1:27:55.599 Was he like, oh, yay, Actually, it's funny he did. 1:27:55.640 --> 1:27:58.840 And he was super kind and you're super kind. He 1:27:58.920 --> 1:28:01.160 was always very and you know, because I was literally 1:28:01.200 --> 1:28:04.000 straight out of school. And there's a scene right and 1:28:04.040 --> 1:28:06.360 it's funny because I watched inhered As, I'm like, yee, 1:28:07.000 --> 1:28:10.280 but it's you know, it's funny. But I remember having 1:28:10.320 --> 1:28:11.800 like a little bit of problem. I remember he was 1:28:11.800 --> 1:28:15.080 just like, hey, it's just after lunch, don't worry about it. 1:28:15.280 --> 1:28:17.559 And he was like super cool, and it was it 1:28:17.600 --> 1:28:21.000 totally relaxed me. Oh that's nice, yeah, very nice and 1:28:21.080 --> 1:28:23.120 unnecessary for him to do, but he did. 1:28:23.439 --> 1:28:25.120 What did you do? You remember what you were doing? 1:28:25.720 --> 1:28:27.439 I think I'm just really nervous, you know, it's like 1:28:27.520 --> 1:28:30.519 my you know, it's honestly, I just I don't think 1:28:30.520 --> 1:28:32.439 I even realized that. I remember when I was working 1:28:32.479 --> 1:28:35.760 on OZ, I had no concept of editing, and so 1:28:35.960 --> 1:28:39.120 I was constantly like on because I didn't know when 1:28:39.120 --> 1:28:41.640 I wasn't on camera that I wasn't being filmed, and 1:28:41.680 --> 1:28:43.639 so I was just like and everyone's coming like you're 1:28:43.640 --> 1:28:46.880 doing such a good job. Yeah, thank you. And I 1:28:46.920 --> 1:28:50.240 just didn't have any clue about editing or angles anything. 1:28:50.280 --> 1:28:52.479 So even by that point, I was still nervous about, 1:28:52.520 --> 1:28:55.320 you know, when action was called and when to do stuff. 1:28:55.360 --> 1:28:58.000 So yeah, it was it was nice from the comb nerves. 1:28:58.360 --> 1:29:00.160 You were holding your own. I mean, you were being 1:29:00.240 --> 1:29:04.240 interrogated by like Christopher Maloney. 1:29:04.720 --> 1:29:07.080 Yeah, I know, they're badasses, and that's funny when I 1:29:07.080 --> 1:29:09.200 was watching, like, oh, it's good. I mean for a kid, 1:29:09.479 --> 1:29:10.160 it's not bad. 1:29:11.200 --> 1:29:13.320 Did you go to school for theater? Were you a theater? 1:29:14.120 --> 1:29:14.360 Yeah? 1:29:14.439 --> 1:29:17.600 I did. I went to Academy of Dramatic Arts in 1:29:17.680 --> 1:29:20.240 New York and yeah, so when I popped out, it 1:29:20.280 --> 1:29:21.720 was I was lucky. I was one of the lucky ones. 1:29:21.720 --> 1:29:26.160 I kind of went right to work. So yeah, yeah, 1:29:26.200 --> 1:29:28.040 you know, and it just doesn't happen these days. And 1:29:28.040 --> 1:29:30.080 you know, I was like, you know, I was single 1:29:30.160 --> 1:29:32.519 card build and guest stars, like I don't even know 1:29:32.520 --> 1:29:34.519 what those things meant back then, but I was like cool, 1:29:35.040 --> 1:29:38.800 you just thought that that's how it always was. But yeah, you. 1:29:38.840 --> 1:29:41.560 Were like also like fuck yeah, free snacks. 1:29:41.840 --> 1:29:44.360 Oh yeah, oh my god. I was like because what 1:29:44.400 --> 1:29:46.120 At first, you're like that's for someone else, Like, well 1:29:46.120 --> 1:29:50.360 I could have and you're like, oh, have one. You 1:29:50.400 --> 1:29:51.479 realize you can have all of it. 1:29:52.680 --> 1:29:55.040 Did you tell your hair like that in your personal 1:29:55.080 --> 1:29:57.479 life or was that very much character? 1:29:57.960 --> 1:30:00.840 Like oh my god, yeah, like was my head shot 1:30:00.960 --> 1:30:03.320 Like that's basically like me and a headshot, like I 1:30:03.360 --> 1:30:08.200 wish I had one. Yeah, but it's literally like yeah, no, 1:30:08.360 --> 1:30:10.200 that was My hair was like dragon ball z. It 1:30:10.240 --> 1:30:12.120 was like very hair and makeup. 1:30:12.200 --> 1:30:14.200 I don't even do anything. 1:30:14.000 --> 1:30:17.559 Just yeah I And they're like you're good, Yeah, you're good. 1:30:18.920 --> 1:30:21.720 Wow, And it was was it intense to shoot with 1:30:21.760 --> 1:30:24.519 her co star who was like in that metal thing 1:30:24.640 --> 1:30:26.800 and her jaws shutting stuff. 1:30:26.840 --> 1:30:28.519 Well, the hard thing is with that you can't really 1:30:28.520 --> 1:30:30.080 talk to them, so you're like, you're doing great. 1:30:30.320 --> 1:30:35.800 Yeah that scene where she just was going, I know, 1:30:36.000 --> 1:30:40.680 I know, just talking, I know, just talking over So 1:30:40.920 --> 1:30:43.839 do you remember any like other like do you remember 1:30:43.960 --> 1:30:47.840 any fun little tidbits from like being on set from 1:30:48.040 --> 1:30:50.000 that first episode when you did Inheritance? 1:30:51.160 --> 1:30:53.360 I mean, you know, it's funny. It's like there's a 1:30:53.439 --> 1:30:57.040 scene and I forgot, like in my memory, I only 1:30:57.120 --> 1:30:58.840 had like that one scene with my sister. 1:30:59.120 --> 1:31:01.160 No, but then they all win and they slam you 1:31:01.240 --> 1:31:02.320 down interrogation. 1:31:02.640 --> 1:31:04.679 Yeah, and that's and that's the best part because I 1:31:04.720 --> 1:31:07.360 forgot about that because I remember I was, you know, 1:31:07.600 --> 1:31:09.960 being I was handcuffed from behind and I kept we 1:31:10.040 --> 1:31:12.360 kept doing this take with this this extra is pushing 1:31:12.360 --> 1:31:15.200 me into the cop car, right and you're supposed to 1:31:15.200 --> 1:31:17.839 be really hard, and I have no way to stop myself. 1:31:17.960 --> 1:31:20.000 And I'm letting him because I'm like, okay, game on, 1:31:20.160 --> 1:31:22.360 this is this is acting, and we're going to do this. 1:31:22.520 --> 1:31:26.240 And I was kind of getting injured and Iced Tea again, 1:31:26.479 --> 1:31:28.640 nicest guy, and you know, it's funny. I worked with 1:31:28.720 --> 1:31:31.200 him recently again, but he's kind of like, hey, take 1:31:31.240 --> 1:31:36.560 it easy, like he told the game in and like 1:31:36.680 --> 1:31:39.720 told the guys, oh, I'm sorry you guys, like, I mean, yeah, 1:31:39.760 --> 1:31:40.719 you can go a little lighter. 1:31:40.800 --> 1:31:41.040 Maybe. 1:31:41.120 --> 1:31:43.040 I was like, maybe maybe let me lead you. I 1:31:43.080 --> 1:31:45.479 was like, I'll pretend to be thrown. But it was 1:31:45.479 --> 1:31:48.000 like because I was full on getting just like slammed 1:31:48.240 --> 1:31:50.320 take after take, and I was like, this is acting. 1:31:50.439 --> 1:31:51.479 I could take it. 1:31:51.640 --> 1:31:55.040 But yeah, no for Iced Tea getting in there. 1:31:55.800 --> 1:31:59.200 Iced Tea is the nicest, nicest dude, Like even even 1:31:59.240 --> 1:32:02.240 now twenty three seasons later, he was exactly like the 1:32:02.280 --> 1:32:03.519 same chill dude. 1:32:03.880 --> 1:32:07.840 Well, so when you came back, did like, did people 1:32:07.880 --> 1:32:09.160 remember you know what? 1:32:09.520 --> 1:32:11.840 I don't think so. And I never was going to 1:32:11.920 --> 1:32:17.080 be like, hey remember me twenty three seasons ago? How 1:32:17.200 --> 1:32:21.200 dare you forget me? Yeah? No, you know, I was 1:32:21.280 --> 1:32:23.240 tempted to. And also I think I was there for 1:32:23.280 --> 1:32:26.840 their like twentieth Yeah. I believe it was like their 1:32:26.840 --> 1:32:31.479 twentieth season like celebration, so that I was literally on 1:32:31.600 --> 1:32:34.200 we were doing a scene all of us. It was 1:32:34.200 --> 1:32:37.360 like me and Marishka and everyone basically, and we're doing 1:32:37.360 --> 1:32:38.760 anything about what we were going to do, and they're 1:32:38.800 --> 1:32:42.200 all talking about the party. Later I was like, sound's fun. 1:32:42.439 --> 1:32:44.040 But I didn't you invite it? But it's okay. I'm 1:32:44.080 --> 1:32:48.080 like that would be great. What time is it? I 1:32:48.160 --> 1:32:50.800 was like, I'm like, so free tonight. But no, they 1:32:50.840 --> 1:32:51.360 did invite me. 1:32:54.120 --> 1:32:55.599 We covered that episode. 1:32:55.600 --> 1:32:58.640 We had Margaret Show on for Oh yes, she was 1:32:58.680 --> 1:33:00.960 so she talked about I mean, look, the great thing 1:33:01.000 --> 1:33:03.519 about his show, it's covered some horrific things. But luckily 1:33:03.520 --> 1:33:05.680 I think that kind of goes the other way with 1:33:05.720 --> 1:33:08.760 the people you have fantastic actors and people, and and 1:33:08.840 --> 1:33:11.360 she was one of them. She was so nice, and 1:33:11.520 --> 1:33:13.400 you know, I was kind of like, oh, my god's 1:33:13.520 --> 1:33:18.439 market show. Yeah, you know that table raid was pretty intimidating. Yeah. 1:33:18.680 --> 1:33:21.320 Yeah, we couldn't believe when we got her on the podcast. 1:33:21.400 --> 1:33:22.400 We love her so much. 1:33:23.160 --> 1:33:25.800 Well, it was even wilder because we were really new 1:33:25.840 --> 1:33:28.639 at the time and she contacted us. 1:33:28.720 --> 1:33:32.200 It was like, wow, she knew or like our boss. 1:33:32.400 --> 1:33:34.479 I don't know. She was like I listened, get me 1:33:34.560 --> 1:33:35.400 on it, and. 1:33:35.360 --> 1:33:39.720 So it was an extra special, exciting, that's so cool 1:33:39.720 --> 1:33:40.280 moment for us. 1:33:40.360 --> 1:33:40.960 That's amazing. 1:33:41.160 --> 1:33:46.719 But she called Peter Scanavino a a Scandinavian prince. 1:33:47.520 --> 1:33:49.800 Is that how you would describe him or what? 1:33:50.080 --> 1:33:52.240 You know, what you used? I absolutely wouldn't. Here's a 1:33:52.240 --> 1:33:55.439 little funny tidbit about Peter. I went to school with Peter, 1:33:55.840 --> 1:34:00.240 and I also bartended with people. So it's so it's 1:34:00.680 --> 1:34:03.880 it's so funny because and I'll be honest, I kind 1:34:03.880 --> 1:34:07.040 of forgot and I got to the table read and 1:34:07.080 --> 1:34:10.519 Peter's like, hey, no, So it was like hey, and 1:34:10.560 --> 1:34:12.640 I was like, oh my god, yes, I was like 1:34:12.960 --> 1:34:15.360 because it would literally took my mom because you know, 1:34:15.400 --> 1:34:17.639 he looks a little different, and you know he's got 1:34:17.680 --> 1:34:19.519 his he's coming straight from setting, so he's got his 1:34:19.600 --> 1:34:21.519 like nice suit on, and so I was like, hey, 1:34:21.920 --> 1:34:25.519 nice meat. She's like, no, that was it's me the 1:34:25.560 --> 1:34:28.360 Academy b Bar. I was like, oh my god. 1:34:28.600 --> 1:34:32.000 I was like, yes, wait where did you guys bartend. 1:34:31.560 --> 1:34:35.240 Together at the b Bar on Bowery in therapy? 1:34:35.360 --> 1:34:35.519 Yes? 1:34:36.720 --> 1:34:37.120 I went there. 1:34:37.240 --> 1:34:40.800 Yeah, I bet you did. Everyone did. I worked there 1:34:40.920 --> 1:34:44.120 for years, for too many years. 1:34:44.200 --> 1:34:45.320 What are the drinks you make? 1:34:46.080 --> 1:34:48.240 I mean that that was luckily for me back in 1:34:48.240 --> 1:34:50.519 the day when mixology was not a thing, and I 1:34:50.560 --> 1:34:54.479 was taught by very by a very mean scanning him 1:34:54.520 --> 1:34:57.519 funny enough Swedish bartender. She taught me just like anyone 1:34:57.560 --> 1:34:59.559 asked Rand and he's like, no, next, I can give 1:34:59.600 --> 1:35:01.880 you a shot. No, get out of here next. So 1:35:01.960 --> 1:35:04.760 that's that was my style of New York bartending. So 1:35:05.040 --> 1:35:07.360 anything with a stir I did not do. So I 1:35:07.439 --> 1:35:11.040 escaped you just like, wow, shot, I made cosmos. I 1:35:11.080 --> 1:35:13.880 made Cosmos was the most extravagant because you had to 1:35:13.960 --> 1:35:16.599 in New York at that time, right, And Apple teenies, 1:35:16.920 --> 1:35:19.840 Apple teenies, and yeah. 1:35:19.040 --> 1:35:22.000 I remember Apple teeny time I made a good apple. 1:35:21.760 --> 1:35:24.439 Teen don't don't shiver. I actually used to make some 1:35:24.600 --> 1:35:26.120 for myself back behind the bar. 1:35:26.479 --> 1:35:28.879 You can only go one. It's so much sugar. 1:35:29.080 --> 1:35:30.920 Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty sweet. 1:35:31.200 --> 1:35:35.800 I'm just shivering because freshman year I drank too much 1:35:35.840 --> 1:35:38.960 apple pucker and had a big incident. 1:35:39.120 --> 1:35:42.240 So I just I just with that flavor profile. 1:35:42.320 --> 1:35:46.320 Yeah, that'll do it. But yes, back to back to 1:35:46.360 --> 1:35:49.479 Peter being a prince. He is indeed a prince. He 1:35:49.600 --> 1:35:52.120 is such a nice guy. I am so happy that he, 1:35:52.479 --> 1:35:53.920 you know, was on that show and has been such 1:35:53.960 --> 1:35:56.400 an integral part of it. So yeah, I can't. 1:35:56.439 --> 1:35:59.360 I just am still excited for you guys bartending together. 1:35:59.479 --> 1:36:00.759 You guys should I had a script? 1:36:02.000 --> 1:36:04.320 Yeah, Like, was it like cocktail? Were you guys throwing 1:36:04.360 --> 1:36:05.639 each other bottles and stuff? 1:36:06.560 --> 1:36:08.920 It was not nearly that exciting. It was us looking 1:36:09.080 --> 1:36:11.680 angry and sad behind the bar, wearing a Guia era 1:36:11.800 --> 1:36:14.120 shirt because we all were forced to wear these shirts, 1:36:14.400 --> 1:36:16.640 and you know, just like sweating outside because they had 1:36:16.640 --> 1:36:19.000 the outdoor patio and it'd just be like, you know, 1:36:19.040 --> 1:36:19.759 New York summers. 1:36:19.880 --> 1:36:22.920 Yes, seriously, wonder if either of you has ever served 1:36:22.960 --> 1:36:25.920 me a drink one of these like the I have. 1:36:28.479 --> 1:36:30.840 Did you when su started acting? Did you still up 1:36:30.880 --> 1:36:31.920 to bartend or was. 1:36:31.840 --> 1:36:34.799 It like, well what I did? Was this a lovely 1:36:34.920 --> 1:36:37.559 dance of quitting and coming back every time of like 1:36:37.760 --> 1:36:40.000 I'm done, I'm going to big time And like a 1:36:40.080 --> 1:36:40.719 year later. 1:36:40.640 --> 1:36:43.679 Hey guys, you need to pay my brother exactly. 1:36:44.320 --> 1:36:47.360 I take back what I said. Luckily, I never left badly, 1:36:47.439 --> 1:36:50.280 so so it's just like I came back and forth, yes, 1:36:50.920 --> 1:36:53.280 but it's nice to finally yeah, I bet. 1:36:54.000 --> 1:36:57.400 Was it like, did you notice like a big shift 1:36:57.479 --> 1:37:00.120 when you went from like when you came back in 1:37:00.160 --> 1:37:02.320 season twenty one? Were you like, oh, it's kind of 1:37:02.320 --> 1:37:04.759 the same old around here, or was it like very different? 1:37:05.800 --> 1:37:08.840 I mean, I guess it's only different because it's different 1:37:08.840 --> 1:37:10.880 for me as an actor coming back. You know, it's 1:37:10.880 --> 1:37:13.240 so's it was nice, but it's still the same kind 1:37:13.280 --> 1:37:15.759 of thing and everyone's having They're having a ton of fun, 1:37:16.200 --> 1:37:18.559 so maybe you know it was it's a lot maybe 1:37:18.600 --> 1:37:20.559 a little looser, but they're all still doing the thing 1:37:20.560 --> 1:37:22.160 because they've done it for so long. It's just like 1:37:22.479 --> 1:37:25.320 having fun and then boom serious and really good. So 1:37:25.720 --> 1:37:27.000 you know, it's kind of like I remember when I 1:37:27.040 --> 1:37:30.519 did an episode with Jerry Orbach bless him. It's one 1:37:30.520 --> 1:37:33.920 of the best and greatest, and he was literally a 1:37:34.040 --> 1:37:37.960 sleep between takes, but never like not dull at all. 1:37:38.000 --> 1:37:42.360 He'd like action awake and sharp, oh my sharp like that, 1:37:42.560 --> 1:37:44.880 just like just a pro being good and when you 1:37:44.880 --> 1:37:45.360 you know they. 1:37:45.360 --> 1:37:48.240 Train, they take micro naps in between takes. 1:37:48.680 --> 1:37:51.040 It was amazing. I was like, is he asleep? He's 1:37:51.040 --> 1:37:53.280 full on asleep, and then actually he was like, oh wow, 1:37:53.400 --> 1:37:53.960 he was back. 1:37:54.560 --> 1:37:57.000 They really used your character in like a cool way. 1:37:57.040 --> 1:37:59.439 In season twenty one. I thought that they'd have you back, 1:37:59.520 --> 1:38:01.080 like I thought there'd be like more of you. 1:38:01.120 --> 1:38:03.120 I would be like I was hoping to. 1:38:03.120 --> 1:38:06.400 See that they were like, oh, okay, this guy's in 1:38:06.479 --> 1:38:08.920 charge of this big operation, like we're going to be 1:38:09.040 --> 1:38:11.160 seeing him, and yeah, I. 1:38:11.160 --> 1:38:13.080 Kind of was hoping to be brought back. So you 1:38:13.120 --> 1:38:16.679 never know, never no trust me. Especially when organized crime happened. 1:38:16.720 --> 1:38:19.599 I was like, hey, everyone, how about Detective Chin. 1:38:20.200 --> 1:38:23.559 You know, yeah, let's get some help with I mean, honestly, 1:38:23.680 --> 1:38:25.559 that would be a cool next step because they've. 1:38:25.400 --> 1:38:26.200 Already done. 1:38:28.000 --> 1:38:32.640 Army Albanians and then they just did They've done a 1:38:32.640 --> 1:38:34.320 bunch of other stuff, and I feel like it would 1:38:34.360 --> 1:38:37.559 be cool because your expertise is like Chinatown and if 1:38:37.600 --> 1:38:39.559 they got into like some of the Asian gangs. 1:38:39.800 --> 1:38:42.000 Yeah, you know exactly, Yeah, think that would Because I 1:38:42.000 --> 1:38:43.680 had a friend that was just on organized crime and 1:38:43.680 --> 1:38:46.160 he was talking about the next stuff being Asian. 1:38:46.240 --> 1:38:48.920 I'm like, we're hopeful, but okay, let's get a call. 1:38:49.000 --> 1:38:51.920 You're a Dick Wolf Universe character, Let's get you in there. 1:38:52.000 --> 1:38:54.439 Yeah, I know, I would love that it would be made. Look, 1:38:54.479 --> 1:38:56.320 you'd be a dream just to be in New York 1:38:56.320 --> 1:38:58.160 and be in those shows. They're always so much fun 1:38:58.160 --> 1:38:59.160 and everyone's so lovely. 1:38:59.280 --> 1:39:03.880 Yeah, Operation Dragon Sleigh exactly. 1:39:03.920 --> 1:39:06.000 It was absolutely called that. 1:39:08.000 --> 1:39:10.439 And then we have like we call them bingo moments, 1:39:10.479 --> 1:39:12.559 like epic kind of sview moments, and you got to 1:39:12.600 --> 1:39:14.960 do one which is like arrest someone in a public thing. 1:39:15.600 --> 1:39:17.280 Yeah, with Kelly Giddish. 1:39:17.400 --> 1:39:19.400 Was that as my film as it is for us 1:39:19.439 --> 1:39:20.559 to like watch as a viewer. 1:39:20.960 --> 1:39:23.200 It was so much fun because also, you know, Kelly 1:39:23.240 --> 1:39:25.759 is amazing too, Like everyone's so lovely, Like Kelly's lovely, 1:39:26.000 --> 1:39:27.960 you just and we're just being able to be over 1:39:28.000 --> 1:39:29.960 there and like, you know, let the old man speak 1:39:30.000 --> 1:39:32.080 and then we go and it's always fun to do 1:39:32.120 --> 1:39:34.639 that fun fast like hop walk with a badge and 1:39:34.760 --> 1:39:37.680 screaming out names, you know, as you go up you're 1:39:37.760 --> 1:39:39.240 under rest like it's it's awesome. 1:39:39.240 --> 1:39:41.360 It never gets And she was on our podcast too, 1:39:41.479 --> 1:39:45.040 the woman who plays the the head like Masks was 1:39:45.080 --> 1:39:45.840 like the rich lady. 1:39:45.960 --> 1:39:48.680 Yes, yeah, she was great. Yees, she was lovely well 1:39:48.680 --> 1:39:51.439 and Kelly Giddish Yes, and Kelly, oh. 1:39:51.400 --> 1:39:54.000 Yes, we're collecting everyone from that episode. 1:39:54.000 --> 1:39:55.160 We just need Scanavino. 1:39:56.520 --> 1:39:57.240 You gotta get. 1:39:58.960 --> 1:40:01.920 Do you go back and forth between playing like really 1:40:01.960 --> 1:40:04.640 really bad guys and like really really good guy like 1:40:04.720 --> 1:40:07.120 cops and then well not like all cops are good, 1:40:07.160 --> 1:40:09.240 but you know what I'm saying in the TV world, sure, 1:40:09.439 --> 1:40:11.720 because like I'm seeing you in Claus, one of my 1:40:11.760 --> 1:40:12.920 favorite shows, that you're. 1:40:12.880 --> 1:40:14.360 Like a really bad guy in that right. 1:40:14.760 --> 1:40:18.040 I was very bad in that. I remember, yeah, yeah, 1:40:18.200 --> 1:40:21.519 my entrance is I sliced the throat of a regular 1:40:21.680 --> 1:40:24.320 on the show and I hadn't watched it, so everyone 1:40:25.040 --> 1:40:27.800 and I remember everyone was like saying goodbye. I was like, 1:40:27.920 --> 1:40:30.320 did I just do something really bad? I was like, 1:40:30.360 --> 1:40:34.080 I was like, hi, I'm sorry. It's like hello and 1:40:34.120 --> 1:40:36.880 you're dead. Like I literally walk up behind her and 1:40:36.960 --> 1:40:38.759 slice her throat as my entrance. 1:40:38.960 --> 1:40:40.080 That show is so wild. 1:40:40.160 --> 1:40:42.160 That's of course how they would give you an entrance. 1:40:42.240 --> 1:40:44.920 Like it's such a while but but yeah, so what 1:40:45.000 --> 1:40:47.240 do you it feels. Do you feel like you do 1:40:47.320 --> 1:40:51.120 mostly extremes like good guy action or like bad guy 1:40:51.680 --> 1:40:52.400 like Underground. 1:40:52.640 --> 1:40:55.759 I'm still I'm starting to like take a little closer 1:40:55.840 --> 1:40:58.040 to good guys sometimes, but I'm still very much of 1:40:58.200 --> 1:41:02.120 the bad guy, you know, but just different, you know, 1:41:02.200 --> 1:41:04.760 different kind of shades of it. But yeah, it is 1:41:04.880 --> 1:41:06.920 nice every time I get to you know, when you 1:41:06.960 --> 1:41:09.760 get to like on Chinatown, that was great to be 1:41:09.800 --> 1:41:12.519 a detective and to be on the right side. But yeah, 1:41:12.640 --> 1:41:14.960 but I definitely am not, you know. I sometimes I've 1:41:14.960 --> 1:41:16.960 read from any a dad role. Now you know, I'm 1:41:17.960 --> 1:41:20.559 in my I'm getting there in my forties and in 1:41:20.600 --> 1:41:22.640 my forty seven, and you know it's I could have 1:41:22.720 --> 1:41:25.600 easily have kids. But it's still funny. They're always like, no, 1:41:25.960 --> 1:41:34.280 we don't see you as a dad. You killed, Yeah, exactly. 1:41:34.840 --> 1:41:39.000 Is your long hair personal decision or for film TV? 1:41:39.120 --> 1:41:41.400 Like well, you know, yeah, it's it's actually gone through 1:41:41.400 --> 1:41:45.360 many like COVID happened, and I'd done I've done Mulan 1:41:45.479 --> 1:41:48.719 right before, and I'd kind of been growing it since then, 1:41:49.040 --> 1:41:52.080 and then COVID hit and I was like, it's five 1:41:52.120 --> 1:41:53.639 oh yeah. And I also I was doing the show 1:41:54.600 --> 1:41:57.120 called Stargirl where I was like basically a superhero but 1:41:57.200 --> 1:41:58.920 in a hood all the time, so it didn't matter 1:41:58.960 --> 1:42:00.880 how long my hair was. So it's just kind of 1:42:00.880 --> 1:42:02.479 going with it. And then COVID came and it just 1:42:02.520 --> 1:42:05.400 like kind of kept growing and by the end there 1:42:05.479 --> 1:42:07.120 was like, I don't know, if you've seen a picture, 1:42:07.160 --> 1:42:08.960 there's a picture of me, like I did better things. 1:42:09.280 --> 1:42:12.240 That was weird questions. That's a favorite shows. 1:42:12.120 --> 1:42:14.160 Really, so that was a fun that was super fun. 1:42:14.479 --> 1:42:18.400 She's awesome, but uh but yes, that was like past 1:42:18.479 --> 1:42:22.400 my shoulder. And after that episode, I was like, cut 1:42:22.400 --> 1:42:24.880 this off. So I've been short slowly coming back up 1:42:24.920 --> 1:42:27.080 and I think I've been on a couple of shows 1:42:27.080 --> 1:42:29.479 now so I've had to keep it, but I think 1:42:29.600 --> 1:42:32.360 after the matching goes, I might cut it back to 1:42:32.479 --> 1:42:35.360 actually the length of on Law and Order. I liked 1:42:35.439 --> 1:42:37.920 that length when I was a detective. It wasn't too 1:42:38.000 --> 1:42:39.840 in my way, but it was just long enough. That 1:42:40.000 --> 1:42:40.840 was like kind of cool. 1:42:41.479 --> 1:42:41.919 Totally. 1:42:42.439 --> 1:42:44.840 Do you feel like having your long hair helped you 1:42:45.040 --> 1:42:47.160 secure your better things part as a. 1:42:47.320 --> 1:42:52.160 Oh, I think absolutely yeah that that hair was dumb, 1:42:52.280 --> 1:42:55.680 Like that hair was stupid long, and yes, sometimes, like 1:42:55.760 --> 1:42:58.400 you know, I got a roll on Madam's secretary once 1:42:58.400 --> 1:43:00.519 because I had a shaved head from an their thing, 1:43:00.640 --> 1:43:02.599 and I literally for the audition, I had like a 1:43:02.640 --> 1:43:05.080 red tablecloth and I remember saying my friends like, watch 1:43:05.160 --> 1:43:06.880 me book this right now, and I was like, put 1:43:06.960 --> 1:43:09.879 on this like tablecloth, glad is shaved. I was like, boom. 1:43:10.160 --> 1:43:12.280 It's just when you make it, when you make it 1:43:12.280 --> 1:43:14.720 that easy for them, it's they're like, there he is, 1:43:15.240 --> 1:43:17.360 damn form on. 1:43:18.640 --> 1:43:22.479 In the cartoon. He's like a goofy old man. Yeah, 1:43:22.640 --> 1:43:27.519 like an attractive young man. So did you like crush 1:43:27.600 --> 1:43:29.400 the audition and they changed it? 1:43:29.520 --> 1:43:32.640 They wanted you like what? How did I think that? 1:43:32.880 --> 1:43:35.439 Yeah? I mean I think Nikki always had her mind 1:43:35.479 --> 1:43:38.679 something very different. Obviously, of course everyone's like, where's moose shoe. 1:43:38.760 --> 1:43:42.320 I'm like, yeh here, but you know, but yeah, so 1:43:42.400 --> 1:43:45.200 even that it was very different. And I think with 1:43:45.360 --> 1:43:47.400 Jet they just, you know, they just want something different. 1:43:47.439 --> 1:43:50.519 But Yeah, it was. It was an interesting, very different 1:43:50.760 --> 1:43:53.639 so I know some people are pretty disappointed that they 1:43:53.640 --> 1:43:55.759 didn't have certain things, especially Mooshoo. 1:43:55.800 --> 1:43:59.559 But yeah, it was a different vie. But were you 1:43:59.560 --> 1:44:00.200 pumped to. 1:44:00.320 --> 1:44:03.120 That, Oh my god, Yeah it was. It was like 1:44:03.360 --> 1:44:05.400 obviously the biggest thing. It was like a three hundred 1:44:05.400 --> 1:44:07.640 million dollar movie, and I like, you know, it was 1:44:08.040 --> 1:44:10.280 I'd never been on sets like that. You know, we're 1:44:10.320 --> 1:44:12.639 all in New Zealand. It was amazing. It's beautiful. You're 1:44:12.680 --> 1:44:14.680 on these sets that they're talk about building, like they 1:44:14.760 --> 1:44:17.840 built everything so it's all real. It's all practical. So 1:44:18.240 --> 1:44:21.320 those thrones, those palaces are all real. So they built 1:44:21.360 --> 1:44:24.479 that stuff, and it was it's amazing. You're standing on 1:44:24.520 --> 1:44:28.240 these huge sets and you have this like massive, you know, 1:44:29.040 --> 1:44:32.160 crane camera coming up sweeping around and they're on the 1:44:32.160 --> 1:44:35.040 god mic just like ah, actually, it's it's pretty. It's 1:44:35.080 --> 1:44:37.200 it's magical, and it's like you're like, oh, well, oh 1:44:37.200 --> 1:44:38.960 my god. Yeah, I gotta remind myself that you know, 1:44:39.040 --> 1:44:40.479 this is this is happening. 1:44:40.520 --> 1:44:43.599 But yeah, so different in Zealand a while. 1:44:44.120 --> 1:44:45.800 Yeah, it was like a few months, so a lot 1:44:45.800 --> 1:44:49.040 of those guys were there for like six so but 1:44:49.120 --> 1:44:51.400 it was and and talk about a beautiful place. New 1:44:51.520 --> 1:44:56.519 Zealand is epic and just like so awesome. Yeah exactly. 1:44:56.520 --> 1:44:58.240 And you know, especially go South Island, You're like, oh 1:44:58.240 --> 1:44:59.760 my god, it's like you see like the old the 1:44:59.840 --> 1:45:03.400 ring stuff, and it's yeah, it's so cool. It's like 1:45:03.439 --> 1:45:07.120 prehistoric without any bugs. Like that's the cool, like there 1:45:07.120 --> 1:45:09.120 are no, it's not like Australia when everything's trying. 1:45:09.000 --> 1:45:10.799 To kill you. Yes, just like Scorpio. 1:45:10.920 --> 1:45:13.880 Yeah yeah, no, it's just like it's like little bird 1:45:14.000 --> 1:45:16.519 like flightless birds walking and waddling around. That's like as 1:45:16.600 --> 1:45:17.400 dangerous as it gifts. 1:45:17.439 --> 1:45:18.000 I love that. 1:45:18.360 --> 1:45:21.240 Do you have like stuff coming up that you are 1:45:21.479 --> 1:45:23.240 excited about or what's I mean? 1:45:23.280 --> 1:45:24.559 Obviously I am he's. 1:45:24.439 --> 1:45:27.000 Only so accurate. I never know what people are really 1:45:27.080 --> 1:45:27.320 up to. 1:45:27.800 --> 1:45:30.160 Yeah, of course there's a So there's a couple of 1:45:30.200 --> 1:45:32.360 things right now. I'm on a show on ABC called 1:45:32.439 --> 1:45:35.120 Company You Keep. I just have a small little arc 1:45:35.160 --> 1:45:37.160 on that, and then I have another show on free 1:45:37.160 --> 1:45:41.360 Form Disney that's called Good Trouble. Oh, and then so 1:45:41.520 --> 1:45:45.200 I'm I'm a new character and that's this this new 1:45:45.280 --> 1:45:49.200 season coming out, and I've got a couple of things 1:45:49.600 --> 1:45:52.080 coming out. And I think there's an amazing film I 1:45:52.240 --> 1:45:55.120 did last year that should hopefully be coming out in 1:45:55.200 --> 1:45:59.719 May that Alex Garland did and with Cares and Dunce 1:46:00.240 --> 1:46:05.160 Lemons and Wagner or Mora, like huge amazing casts called 1:46:05.200 --> 1:46:08.800 Civil War. It's it was like the most intense and 1:46:08.880 --> 1:46:11.839 amazing acting job about. 1:46:11.600 --> 1:46:13.600 The Civil War is about us Civil War. 1:46:13.720 --> 1:46:17.120 I can't tell you it literally, but it is, but 1:46:17.160 --> 1:46:17.400 it is. 1:46:17.520 --> 1:46:19.840 IMDb says plot is under wraps. 1:46:20.439 --> 1:46:23.640 Yes, god, so the name is Civil War, got it? 1:46:23.680 --> 1:46:26.200 But that is. And then there's another show that I 1:46:26.200 --> 1:46:28.400 can't talk about either, but that's I'm very excited about, 1:46:28.479 --> 1:46:30.479 but that I'm not sure when that released. Oh my gosh. 1:46:30.560 --> 1:46:32.600 Booked and Blessed baby exciting. 1:46:32.960 --> 1:46:36.240 Yeah, very very exciting. Yeah, no, it's very I'm very 1:46:36.360 --> 1:46:38.680 very lucky. Yeah, so it's any time I get to, 1:46:38.920 --> 1:46:40.000 you know, work, it's. 1:46:40.240 --> 1:46:42.200 Not just luck, because it seems like you got booked 1:46:42.240 --> 1:46:45.120 right out of school and then have been consistently. 1:46:44.960 --> 1:46:48.640 Yeah okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's been a 1:46:48.680 --> 1:46:50.680 really nice writing. Look, there's always ups and downs, and 1:46:50.720 --> 1:46:53.559 there's some projects you're like, but you know, but then 1:46:53.600 --> 1:46:55.400 you get the better ones and You're like, this is great. 1:46:55.680 --> 1:46:57.599 You know you gotta you gotta pay your dues. 1:47:01.400 --> 1:47:04.040 I loved when you called him slippery in the intro. 1:47:06.040 --> 1:47:08.000 That was Casey. I gotta give that to Casey. Casey 1:47:08.080 --> 1:47:11.200 scripted that slippery for me. He is a slippery little 1:47:11.400 --> 1:47:14.920 He is a slippery little uh two thousands boy. He 1:47:15.000 --> 1:47:18.080 reminds me of like like he looks like in that episode. 1:47:18.120 --> 1:47:19.639 He looks like he would be one of the guys 1:47:19.640 --> 1:47:22.400 from No Doubt when they first like yeah to the scene, 1:47:22.479 --> 1:47:25.400 you know, the chunky necklace, the spiky hair. 1:47:25.520 --> 1:47:27.040 Emo night baby. 1:47:27.400 --> 1:47:31.360 I'm obsessed with Nelson in many ways. He was fun 1:47:31.479 --> 1:47:32.280 to chat. 1:47:32.040 --> 1:47:36.280 With, such a like just like a light person, like 1:47:36.479 --> 1:47:39.960 just so nice and like smiling and just like wow, 1:47:40.000 --> 1:47:43.360 I'm so happy I have had all these opportunities and 1:47:43.439 --> 1:47:46.080 I can't believe that like him and Careesy like definitely 1:47:46.120 --> 1:47:48.439 served me at b Bar one time. Like I went 1:47:48.479 --> 1:47:50.080 there all the time when I was in the page 1:47:50.120 --> 1:47:52.320 program and I probably ordered like one mixed drink because 1:47:52.360 --> 1:47:54.160 I was so poor, but I'm sure they gave it. 1:47:54.120 --> 1:47:56.280 To me one time. So what did we learn. 1:47:56.880 --> 1:48:00.640 Let's not be racist, because if someone is genetically predisposed 1:48:00.640 --> 1:48:04.320 to violence, you're really just making it worse, and then. 1:48:04.360 --> 1:48:07.920 The only reason, yeah, you're making it worse. Just stop. 1:48:08.080 --> 1:48:10.559 No, And also, yeah, just don't be racist, I feel 1:48:10.560 --> 1:48:12.520 like is a central theme of our podcast. 1:48:13.920 --> 1:48:18.799 But it's like so fucked to see like a baby 1:48:19.080 --> 1:48:24.479 child and not be cured of racism. Like I don't 1:48:24.520 --> 1:48:29.759 get it. Yeah, I really don't understand how you keep 1:48:29.880 --> 1:48:31.240 being so hateful. 1:48:30.880 --> 1:48:32.880 Towards so much a kid. 1:48:33.160 --> 1:48:37.240 Yeah, because adults they're annoying, of course, and then you 1:48:37.240 --> 1:48:40.720 can find any reason to be hateful, like you know, 1:48:41.280 --> 1:48:45.080 like once you're an adult, like racism sucks, but okay, 1:48:45.600 --> 1:48:48.080 but to look into like a little child and be 1:48:48.240 --> 1:48:53.600 like ah, yeah I've taken this fuck this kid, like 1:48:53.640 --> 1:48:54.439 what the fuck? 1:48:54.680 --> 1:48:57.000 What's so crazy? Yeah? 1:48:57.960 --> 1:49:02.240 So sad I also learned getting jaw wired shut nightmare. 1:49:02.439 --> 1:49:04.519 And you don't want that, you know, I don't want that. 1:49:04.920 --> 1:49:09.080 Also, I mean, I guess Johnny Chinnon wasn't the criminal, 1:49:09.160 --> 1:49:10.799 but he did leave his sister. 1:49:11.080 --> 1:49:12.639 Don't leave your siblings behind. 1:49:13.080 --> 1:49:16.519 Yeah yeah, no sibling left behind. You got to scoop 1:49:16.520 --> 1:49:18.280 her uppie, although I don't know, maybe she had a 1:49:18.280 --> 1:49:20.040 spinal injury and she ended up she did have a 1:49:20.040 --> 1:49:22.400 spinal injury. Her fucking head was in like head gears. 1:49:22.400 --> 1:49:23.840 Maybe you better he did it. 1:49:23.960 --> 1:49:27.120 Move you sit next to her, and then you get 1:49:27.439 --> 1:49:30.680 go down and you go down for the robbery. You know, 1:49:30.920 --> 1:49:32.360 you do the acting skills and you go. 1:49:32.439 --> 1:49:34.160 I don't know what happened, my sister. 1:49:34.560 --> 1:49:39.759 You don't have to be in the robbery. Oh okay, 1:49:40.240 --> 1:49:43.240 you didn't learn. You didn't take improv with your crime troop, 1:49:43.479 --> 1:49:44.040 you know what I mean? 1:49:44.080 --> 1:49:44.519 I didn't think. 1:49:44.600 --> 1:49:46.439 I just think sp is going to see right through that, 1:49:46.640 --> 1:49:50.479 especially when they see this guy's a known gang affiliated man. 1:49:50.560 --> 1:49:52.559 But the spiky necklace, yeah. 1:49:52.760 --> 1:49:55.720 Yeah, and then laser tattoo, think why was he That 1:49:55.760 --> 1:49:57.200 was a weird thing too. Why was he getting the 1:49:57.439 --> 1:50:00.639 tattoo lasered off? Because you wanted to be in the gang, 1:50:01.680 --> 1:50:05.280 but his gang just did the robbery. I think it's 1:50:05.320 --> 1:50:07.880 hard to leave a gang. Okay, yeah, I don't think 1:50:07.920 --> 1:50:10.240 you can get so leave. We learn we need more 1:50:10.280 --> 1:50:12.720 gangs where women are members, because I feel like they 1:50:12.720 --> 1:50:14.559 would be better organized, less. 1:50:14.400 --> 1:50:19.000 Violent women led gangs. Yeah, women led gangs. Let's look 1:50:19.040 --> 1:50:20.880 into it. Anyway. We can move on. 1:50:21.120 --> 1:50:23.400 What would sister Peg do for this week? That is 1:50:23.479 --> 1:50:27.760 our weekly segment where we direct you to an organization. 1:50:27.680 --> 1:50:31.680 No, we learned other things. Fuck acab France, how about that? 1:50:32.160 --> 1:50:36.639 Oh yeah, fuck Paris, Fuck I'm fuck You're you're mad 1:50:36.680 --> 1:50:40.160 at us because we're annoying Americans wearing sneakers. Well, fuck 1:50:40.240 --> 1:50:42.880 you for not putting rapists stab you guys. 1:50:42.960 --> 1:50:45.519 Just let a guy murder for twenty years and gave 1:50:45.600 --> 1:50:47.360 him like slaps on the wrist for rape. 1:50:47.479 --> 1:50:50.040 Jesus ah, he just stabbed a woman in the face. 1:50:50.120 --> 1:50:54.800 Give him ten months insane truly and continue. 1:50:54.960 --> 1:50:58.439 Okay, So what would sister peg do our weekly segment 1:50:58.520 --> 1:51:01.040 where we point you to an article, an organization, a 1:51:01.080 --> 1:51:05.040 podcast episode, something to give you more info about an 1:51:05.080 --> 1:51:08.479 issue or a topic we talked on today in today's episode, 1:51:08.520 --> 1:51:11.000 And I just wanted to direct you guys this week 1:51:11.040 --> 1:51:14.759 to Embrace Race dot Org. Embrace Race dot Org's mission 1:51:14.800 --> 1:51:17.479 is to raise a generation of children who are thoughtful, informed, 1:51:17.479 --> 1:51:20.040 and brave about race. And there is a whole section 1:51:20.160 --> 1:51:22.719 titled things to know if you love a multiracial child. 1:51:22.840 --> 1:51:26.839 So I just saw a lot of this episode involved 1:51:26.920 --> 1:51:31.000 like this family's inability to accept this child, and I 1:51:31.040 --> 1:51:33.800 thought this would be an interesting resource for people who 1:51:33.840 --> 1:51:36.120 have multiracial children in their life. I think there's just 1:51:36.320 --> 1:51:39.360 some things we can't understand if you're not straddling the 1:51:39.400 --> 1:51:41.440 line of two cultures the way a lot of multiracial 1:51:41.479 --> 1:51:45.440 children are. 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