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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events, and you can turn back now

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Speaker 1: or learn the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: M Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 1: my name isn't they called me Ben. We're joined with

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Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Mission controlled decade. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Before we get started,

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Speaker 1: we have a very important message regarding today's episode. Today's

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Speaker 1: episode discusses very frankly, some horrific sexual crimes against underaged victims,

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Speaker 1: and it's quite disturbing, but I think it's an important

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Speaker 1: discussion to have, and we try as always to be

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Speaker 1: as respectful and thoughtful about it as possible. Let's let's

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Speaker 1: cut straight to the heart of the matter. In an

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Speaker 1: earlier episode, we mentioned the ongoing legal battles of one

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. Today we are diving into a sordid tale

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Speaker 1: that will take us from the posh tony area of

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Speaker 1: Palm Beach Island, Florida, to New York, to New Mexico,

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Speaker 1: and a particularly strange series of private plane flights. But

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Speaker 1: first things first, who is Jeffrey Epstein? Oh, the man

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Speaker 1: of the hour? Jeffrey Epstein was born in nineteen fifty

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Speaker 1: three on Coney Island. He went to Lafayette High School.

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Speaker 1: He also attended Cooper Union. Uh. He dropped out of

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Speaker 1: without a degree, surprisingly, especially as we continue to learn

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Speaker 1: a little more about this gentleman. Yeah yeah. For two years,

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Speaker 1: from nineteen seventy three to nineteen seventy five, Epstein taught

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Speaker 1: School in Manhattan. You'll read accounts that say he taught

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Speaker 1: the quantitative disciplines. New York Magazine initially likened his time

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Speaker 1: at Dalton School to the teacher that Robin Williams plays

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Speaker 1: in Dead Poets Society. You guys remember that film Captain

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Speaker 1: MC captain? Yeah, man, the first really really sad movie

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Speaker 1: I ever saw, Right, poetry was made for one reason,

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Speaker 1: boys to woo women and also carpet dum right. So,

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Speaker 1: one parent of a student worked on Wall Street and

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Speaker 1: this guy was so inspired by Epstein's methods and the

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Speaker 1: math rants that he was known for that he approached

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and said, essentially, what the hell are you

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Speaker 1: doing here, buddy? Why are you a teacher? You should

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Speaker 1: Street thinks about teachers. Yeah, why why would you be

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Speaker 1: I'm serious, jeff Let me introduce you to my buddy. A. S. Greenberg.

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Speaker 1: You've got to call him. A Screenberg is a senior

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Speaker 1: partner at the time at bear Stearns. Greenberg really Doug

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Speaker 1: Epstein because this guy Greenberg definitely played favorites. And one

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Speaker 1: He didn't want people who were, you know, just fattened

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Speaker 1: a screenberg. He started from the bottom kind of the

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Speaker 1: and he's also sort of evasive about his process and

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Speaker 1: whole thing on fire. Where did a cape? What's his

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Speaker 1: monocle top hat position? I don't know. Well, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you for real. What he does is and what anyone

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Speaker 1: Buy a cape first, then just start purchasing real estate,

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Speaker 1: purchasing land, purchasing stuff that goes on land, different structures.

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Speaker 1: Put them on land. That you own, that's what you do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We didn't mention what the nickname for this thing is.

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Speaker 1: her through statements of some alleged victims who won't claim

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Speaker 1: to police that Epstein told her that he had purchased

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Speaker 1: Nada from her parents in Eastern Europe when she was fifteen,

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Speaker 1: and they were described as Yugoslavian or Slovakian um. Another

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Speaker 1: victim alleged that she was forced to have sex with

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Speaker 1: Nada marsten Kova and then watch her have sexual interactions

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Speaker 1: with Epstein. According to the Miami Herald, sometimes Jeffrey would

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Speaker 1: instruct a young woman he described as his quote Yugoslavian

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Speaker 1: sex slave Nadia Marsenkova, who was over eighteen to join in,

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Speaker 1: and he took photographs and he displayed these photograph surround

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Speaker 1: the house. The guy's um. There's there's a phrase knowal

437
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: that you in your roommate used, I think applies here.

438
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: The guy's proclivities were wide, rife, wide rife throughout his house.

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00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: This was not a secret because also Gislaine Maxwell, the

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Speaker 1: socialite and heiress who was occasionally referred to as Epstein's Madam,

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Speaker 1: was asked to turnover records. And then there's Alan Dershowitz,

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Speaker 1: Alan Freakin Dershowitz like like an enormously prestigious lawyer. He

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Speaker 1: worked with Epstein on the business side. Derschwitz told outfit

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Speaker 1: called Axios that Epstein and lent his family the Palm Beach,

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Speaker 1: Florida house, and that he received a therapeutic massage with

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Speaker 1: an old Russian there, but that he'd had no idea

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00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: anything improper at even taking place in that house. In

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00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: eighteen he said that Epstein after this stuff became public,

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00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: he said, Epstein's called me a couple of times about

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00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 1: legal issues because I'm still technically his lawyer, but I

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00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: haven't had any so shoulder any other kind of contact

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00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: with him. But you never stopped being someone's lawyer. And

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Speaker 1: then there's a guy we got to mention just casually,

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Speaker 1: he'll come back, trust us. Guy named alex Acosta. He

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00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: was formerly the U S attorney in South Florida. He's

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Speaker 1: currently the U S Secretary of Labor. We'll get to

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Speaker 1: him in a bit, but just remember the name alex Acosta.

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Speaker 1: We shall remember you. So let's talk about the victims. Here,

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Speaker 1: the authority is identified more than thirty victims of epstein UM.

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Speaker 1: And then if you look at the Miami Herald in

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Speaker 1: their latest report, they identified eighty victims and they located

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00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 1: sixty and spoke to four of them officially on the record.

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00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: So again, trying to track down all of these people

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Speaker 1: who are alleged victims, and you know, you can only

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Speaker 1: get a certain percentage of those people to even talk

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00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: because this kind of thing is it's so insidious. Even

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00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: being able to speak about something like this, especially on

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Speaker 1: the record, is difficult. So let's go through a few

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Speaker 1: of these um. The first one is Virginia You Free

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Speaker 1: gu free g I U F f r E. She

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Speaker 1: claimed in court papers that she was recruited into this

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call child sex ring that this

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00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: billionaire was running. When she was only fifteen years old.

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Speaker 1: She was working as a towel girl at maral Lago

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00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: and that's how she got wrapped up in it. And

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Speaker 1: she also claims that Dershwitz as well as Prince Andrew

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00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: participated in her sexual abuse. What is a towel girl

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Speaker 1: a towel girl, I'm assuming at marl Lago because there's

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Speaker 1: a vast outdoor area at Mar Lago with a pool

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Speaker 1: and everything like that, as well as there are shower

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Speaker 1: or what do you call him, mom who all of

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00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: the other things you'd find out a spa bathhouse kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. I can only imagine that a towel girl

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00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: handles of the towel to bring towels. It's like a

485
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: like a caddy, but with towels instead of clubs. And

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Speaker 1: in this case, she's fifteen, which is fifteen, and sixteen

487
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: is a very common age for these private clubs to hire.

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Speaker 1: When I was fifteen, that's no. Yeah, when I was fifteen,

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00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: I started working at one of these places, not as

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Speaker 1: a towel girl. I was in I was a pool boy,

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Speaker 1: So I mean, and it's a great insults. So that's

492
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: a great summer job for kids. Yeah, you know what

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00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: I mean. You make a little scratch kid and save

494
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: up for Nintendo Switch or whatever. Especially out in that area,

495
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: some of these private clubs provide some of the best

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Speaker 1: money for your work. And then there's Courtney Wilde, who

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00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: was a victim beginning at the age of fourteen. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Wild says, by the time I was sixteen, I had

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Speaker 1: probably brought him seventy to eighty girls who are all fourteen.

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00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: When fifteen years old, he was involved in my life

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00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: for years. Uh. And do you we just not skip

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Speaker 1: over the fact that this one person Virginia claimed that

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Speaker 1: both Derschwitz the lawyer and Prince Andrew Royalty were involved.

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00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: How intense is that and especially occurring at marl Ago

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Speaker 1: where all of these highly important people are just kind

506
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: of coming through and I never whenever, Um, And now

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00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: we have somebody who's claiming to have brought him seventy

508
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Speaker 1: to eighty girls. I'm sorry, And we just had to

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00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: pause for a moment, and now let's continue with the disgustingness.

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00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: So there's Jenna Lisa Jones who said that she was

511
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Speaker 1: also um. She she was also assaulted by Epstein when

512
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Speaker 1: she was fourteen, and she has a chilling and haunting

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Speaker 1: quote here um I was. I was somewhat divided over

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00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: whether we should read it allowed, but here it is.

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00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: You can't ever stop your thoughts. A word can trigger something.

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Speaker 1: For me. It is the word pure, because he called

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Speaker 1: me pure in that room, and then I remember what

518
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: he did to me in that room. Just I don't know.

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00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: There's Hayley Robinson. Virginia Robinson was working at mar Lago

520
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: when she was recruited to be a masseust to Palm

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00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: Beach hedge fund manager Jeffrey Epstein. There are tons of

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Speaker 1: Jane does. We don't know how many there are. We

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Speaker 1: know what the Harold found, right The Harold says they

524
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: found eighty. They located sixty. They talked to eight, but

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00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: only four would go on the record with their names.

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Speaker 1: And you can understand that too, because a lot of

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00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: these people have been quashed by settlements and non disclosure agreements.

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Speaker 1: A settlement with a India or nondisclosure agreement means that

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Speaker 1: if someone if someone alleges a crime and you want

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Speaker 1: to keep it out of court, regardless of what it is,

531
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: you can have a legal team drop a contract that says,

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00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: without admitting guilt, here's x amount of dollars and in return,

533
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: you can't talk about it. You agree to never talk

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00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: about this. The problem is that a lot of those things,

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00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: as we see, don't really hold up in were if

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Speaker 1: you're asking someone not to confess a crime, you know

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00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, So those are those are victims,

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00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: those are collaborators or as you said, an old conspirators.

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00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: But there are some uh, people fighting the good fight

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00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: on this side as well. So there were several investigators

541
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: involved in the case. We have Joseph for Carey, who

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00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: was the lead detective for the case, and in his

543
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: first interview UM, he said the evidence the department collected

544
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: to support the girls stories was overwhelming, um and included

545
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff, all kinds of damning evidence. Phone

546
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: call records, copies, have written phone messages from the girls

547
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: found in Epstein's trash uh, and Epstein's flight logs that

548
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: showed his private plane and Palm Beach on the days

549
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: the girls were scheduled to give massages. Uh. Pretty damning stuff. Yeah.

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00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: The police report also showed how eerily consistent the girls

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00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: stories were. UM. Just down to the t right down

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00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: to their detailed descriptions of Epstein's Janitalia. And then there's

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00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: Michael Writer, who is the former chief of police and

554
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: Palm Beach. He was the chief during this investigation, and

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00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: he said detectives were astonished by the sheer volume of

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00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: victims coming and going from the house, the frequency sometimes

557
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: several in the same day, and the universally young ages

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00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: of these girls. Michael Writer says it started out to

559
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: give a man backrupt but in many cases turned some

560
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: far worse than that, elevated to a serious crime, in

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00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: some cases sexual batteries. And then there's a another good

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is almost true detective level, you know

563
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: what I mean, as far as the web that is

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00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: unearthed here. Uh, there's the attorney for the victims scut

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00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: named Brad Edwards. He's representing several of the young women

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00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: who were abused as miners by Epstein. His law off

567
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: us is packed with files from the case and he's

568
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: been fighting the power at every turn, often outnumbered, outgunned, outmanned.

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Speaker 1: Because you see, that true detective thing is not just

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00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: a pop culture reference for us. Here there are multiple

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Speaker 1: very powerful people that have been implicated in one way

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00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: or another with Epstein, and to be fair, a lot

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00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: of it is not proven other than the fact that

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00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: we know they hung out. They maybe took his plane

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00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: place as the plane which was also um informally known

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00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: as the Lolita Express. That's true, it was aformally known

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00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: as that. But who are some of these implicated uh

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00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: implicated celebrities. Well, let's jump in first with Bill Clinton,

579
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: because he was known to have taken the Lolita Express

580
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: to the Virgin Islands, to that island that Epstein owns

581
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: on numerous occasions, as well as hanging out at the

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00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: Palm Beach and he went to Africa. Yeah, using that plane.

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00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: I think Chris Tucker was on the plane too. There's

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00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: this huge list of celebrities that have been on there,

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00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: you know. Um, but Bill Clinton was definitely one of

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00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: the ones that popped out in my mind around the time.

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00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: This is awful to say, but it was around the

588
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: time that Pizza Gate was kind of coming out. That's

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00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: when I started to really learn about Bill Clinton's involvement

590
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: with Epstein and that connection was one of those things

591
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: that freaked me out a little bit and made me

592
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: start to think there was more to the whole pizza

593
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: gate thing, which I don't necessarily believe, but it's definitely

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00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: one of those things that creeped me out. And then

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00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: Donald Trump has come up several times here, current president

596
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, he had this association he made that really creepy.

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00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 1: They made that quotation. He made that quote in two

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00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: thousand two that certainly didn't age well. And uh, there's

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00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: one thing we do have to say in Donald Trump's

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00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: defense when and Trump was when Trump learned that Epstein

601
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: may have been romantically entertaining or attempting to recruit underage

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00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: girls at Mara a Lago or bringing these young women

603
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: with him, these young girls, these children with him and

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00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: calling them his nieces, which is so creepy. Uh, Donald

605
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: Trump said, Okay, look, this can't happen here. You gotta go.

606
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: So Trump asked him to leave. Trump kicked him out.

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00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: That's good, I guess. I feel like that's the bare

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00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: minimum of decent. No, it's not. The bare minimum of

609
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: decency is calling the police. Yeah. His his whole thing

610
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: is just don't do it where I can also be implicated.

611
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: And you think that's what it was. I mean, in

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00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: my opinion, I don't know I mean, I don't want

613
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: to throw around implications like that. It sure feels like

614
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: it based on what we know about. Yeah, the act

615
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: of kicking someone out or not allowing someone to do

616
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: something illegal in your place of business, but aud alerting

617
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: the authorities that someone is doing something illegal in your

618
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: place of business, that's that's that's very damning. Yeah, I

619
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: see what you're saying. Yeah, that makes sense. And then

620
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: we mentioned Prince Andrew, the Prince Andrew, uh, the allegations

621
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: that Epstein forced uh his teenage victims to become physically

622
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: involved with Prince Andrew on three separate occasions. And the

623
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Speaker 1: you know, the UK Press is having a field day

624
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: with like tabloids like The Sun or whatever. Um, well

625
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: it's blowing up right now. A lot of I mean

626
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: also a lot of royalty are untouchable, you know what

627
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean? When when's when is the next time? When's

628
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: the last time a royal family member went to jail?

629
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Speaker 1: Prince Charles spent a lot of time in the the

630
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Speaker 1: old Slammer. No, I'm just kidding, the Old Slammer, that's

631
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Speaker 1: what they call it. They're right, so so okay, As

632
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: as we said, the alleged abuse is pretty well documented

633
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: by numerous sources going back to at least the nine nineties,

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00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: and if you want to be less than optimistic, then

635
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: you can reasonably say that as possible, it went or

636
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: went back earlier than that. So how did this go

637
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: from rumors, scuttle button secrecy to an actual, UH legal matter.

638
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: How did the cops get involved? Well we'll get to

639
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: that right after a quick break. So let's start in

640
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: March of two thousand and five, when a woman called

641
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: the police in Palm Beach, and after first refusing to

642
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: give her name, she said that she believed her fourteen

643
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: year old stepdaughter had in some way been molested by

644
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: a wealthy man, just a wealthy man. So at the time,

645
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: the victim in this case lived at this UH involuntary

646
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: admitted juvenile education facility, which I'm assuming is some kind

647
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: of juvie what you would call a juvie or I guess,

648
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: and something to that effect, because she was she was

649
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: having behavioral problems, right, So apparently she shows up at

650
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: this school with three hundred dollars cash in her purse

651
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: and it became basically the talk of the class. Everybody's saying,

652
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: oh my god, you see that she's got three hundred cash.

653
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: You get that, dude, that's crazy. And then the friend

654
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: called the girl a terrible name. Yes, um, we'll say it,

655
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: a horror. Another friend put a fist through the wall

656
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: in anger, apparently like punched the wall. And then the

657
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: girl left school. And then the stepmother gets this call

658
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: from another student's mother. So this just this act of

659
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: bringing three hundred dollars into this school was enough to

660
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: get basically the entire school talking. Uh. Then a policewoman

661
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: was talking to the girl with a therapist. They are

662
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: so they're just having a conversation about what's going on.

663
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: That's when this victim she begins crying and breaking down,

664
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: and she dug her finger into her thigh and she

665
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: just began telling out, telling this entire story about how

666
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: she was She was taken to this big house on

667
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: the Atlantic on the Intracoastal Waterway, which is where Epstein's

668
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: mansion was located. She remembers climbing this spiral staircase to

669
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: the master bedroom where this woman, a blond woman who

670
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: you know, she's probably twenty in her twenties, twenty five

671
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: or something, likely Sarah Kellen. It's probably yes, exactly, probably

672
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: Sarah Kelln. She wasn't very friendly. She laid out sheets

673
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: and she put lotions on a massage table, and then

674
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: she leaves. That's when Jeffrey Epstein comes in. This is

675
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: the story, this similar story that we've already talked about.

676
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: He's naked except for a towel. He sternly orders the

677
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: girl to take off her clothes and then the rest

678
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: of the details are pretty much what you've heard before

679
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: and stuff that I honestly don't want to say here.

680
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: But the police at this point were very much convinced

681
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: that this was at least worth looking into. And then

682
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: this girl says that she had been brought there by

683
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: two other girls, but he spoke to those two girls.

684
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: Those two girls pointed to two more girls who had

685
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: also been there and also recruited them. By the time

686
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: detectives tracked down one victim, there were two or three

687
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: more to find, and very very soon there were dozens.

688
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: So also in two thousand five, the Palm Beach p

689
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: D obtains a search warrant and they visit Epstein's mansion.

690
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: They cart off massage tables, photos of naked girls, soaps

691
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: shaped like Genitalia. Epstein sent an urgent message to the

692
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: detectives through his attorney. It said, the shadiest thing Mr

693
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: Epstein is this is laughable. I'm sorry, this is just

694
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: Mr Epstein is very passionate about massages. The massages are

695
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: therapeutic and spiritually sound for him. That is why he

696
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: has had many massages. I mean really, I'm sorry, I'm laughing.

697
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: It's just come on, it's laughable. It's like it's it's

698
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: such a bad attempt at an excuse that it sounds

699
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: like it was poorly translated from a different language. Well,

700
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: the craziest thing here is that if you're a wealthy

701
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: individual and you really are passionate about massages, it makes

702
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: sense that you have massage therapy equipment in your home.

703
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: You can afford that, even rooms dedicated just to getting

704
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: therapeutic massages, and you can also hire a massius, a

705
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: professional masseus, which he did have. She he paid her

706
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: a hundred dollars an hour. There you go, so he

707
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: had a seal masseus. There. There are your massages that

708
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: you're passionate about. Enjoy them. So we should also note

709
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: that computers in hardware we're missing in the mansion. In

710
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: two the Palm Beach investigators were taken out pretty quickly.

711
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: So that's two thousand five. They're fighting this in court.

712
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: As as we said earlier, the head detective on the

713
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 1: cases like, we have this, this is five by five,

714
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: this is buttoned up, this is game over, you know

715
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: what I mean. But then quickly what he sees is

716
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: that there are there's a network of things, institutions and

717
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: people stymying the investigation. And this is where our previous

718
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: cast member, Acosta makes a return. Go to all alex Acosta,

719
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: remember we said he was a state attorney there for Florida.

720
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: He started eating with Epstein's team, who had such legal

721
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: luminaries Zalen, der Schwitz, Kenneth Star from the Clinton investigation.

722
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: Where these guys are in terms of the of their

723
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 1: legal reputation, these are very, very influential and prominent lawyers

724
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: and legal minds. So Acosta and his team eventually in

725
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 1: two thousand eight, they strike a secret deal with Epstein

726
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: to shield him from federal investigation and prosecution. The victims

727
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: were not made aware of this agreement. It was called

728
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: a quote non prosecution deal. Acosta and his team at

729
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: the time, we're in possession of a fifty three page

730
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: draft indictment charging Epstein with serial child abuse child molestation. Instead,

731
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: he took instead Acosta, acting on behalf of the US government.

732
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, gave Epstein this this deal instead of

733
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 1: instead of court. Essentially immunity pretty much and worse than immunity.

734
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: So Epstein pled guilty to to state level prostitution charges,

735
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: so not sex trafficking prostitution charges. They essentially made him

736
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: a john. And what did he get in exchange for that?

737
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: And man, I mean talk about a sweetheart deal. This

738
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: is a lot um immunity from all related federal criminal charges,

739
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: not only for himself, but also for any quote, any

740
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: potential co conspirators. Yeah yeah, oh my god, the President,

741
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: anyone who might have been involved in these alleged federal crimes. Uh.

742
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: This provision would effectively completely shut down any FBI investigation,

743
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: any further investigation into the evidence, the overwhelming evidence piles

744
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: of evidence of international sex trafficking, and essentially make it

745
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: retroactively legal for anyone to have conspired with him to

746
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: rape any of the alleged victims. Good god, he did

747
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: get jail time, He got a thirteen months sentence. Uh,

748
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: he served it in a private wing of the county

749
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: jail uh and he was there except for the six

750
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: days a week when he was on work release. He

751
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: would he went to he commuted to his private office

752
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: for twelve hours um. And his sentence was eighteen months,

753
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: but he just served thirteen. There was also we mentioned

754
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: this earlier, but there was also this important, this important

755
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: legal snag. There was a commitment verify through email chain

756
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: that this agreement would be kept secret from the people

757
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: I entifying as victims, so that they would not have

758
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: the opportunity to protest this extraordinary agreement in court. And

759
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: that's despite the fact that keeping a plea agreement secret

760
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: from victims is a violation of the law and it

761
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: should go without saying, this is not the typical plea deal.

762
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: For his part, Acosta and his team would later say,

763
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: all right, we we caved on this agreement, but we

764
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: did it because we were being harassed by Epstein's high

765
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: powered legal team. They hired private investigators to defame witnesses,

766
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: to dive into personal lives. They said they felt physically threatened. However,

767
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: emails and documents show the lie. Here. The relationship between

768
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: federal prosecutors and Epstein's team was more collaborative than adversarial.

769
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: They they spent a lot of time figure how to

770
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: settle the case with the smallest amount of scandal. They

771
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: even decided not to charge with the sex offense. They

772
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: considered witness tampering and obstruction charges and misdemeanors. And they

773
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: wanted to allow Epstein to secretly plead guilty of Miami

774
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: instead of Palm Beach County, where the victims lived, because

775
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: that would limit media exposure and it would make it

776
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: less likely for the victims to appear at sentencing. And

777
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: they also in these emails, again leaked by The Herald,

778
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: they also referenced discussions they wanted to have by phone

779
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,959
Speaker 1: or in person, so there wasn't a paper trail. And

780
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: this agreement, this non prosecution agreement, sealed until after it

781
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: was approved by a judge, made it virtually impossible for

782
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: anyone to interfere, including Edwards, the attorney. This all came

783
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 1: to public attention with the Miami Herald released a comprehensive, damning,

784
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: groundbreaking investigation of Epstein's activities and the plea deal and

785
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: the corruption and long term damage to the underage victims.

786
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: Yet at this point there's very little indication that that

787
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: deal will be thrown out or reneged upon, because he

788
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: already fulfilled his part of the agreement. And I guess

789
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: we just have to emphasize how extraordinary it is that

790
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: there's a federal agreement that says, not only do you

791
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: have to do this, not only we are suddenly now

792
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: calling abused children prostitutes, which itself is an offensive term, right,

793
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: because that's they're trying to be defamatory. I believe the

794
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: correct term is sex worker. Right. So not only are

795
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: they doing that, but they're also saying, if any potential

796
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: co conspirator worked with you, then they're scott free, Scott

797
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 1: free just by association, like even if they weren't named,

798
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: like they were discovered later. Those are the those are

799
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: the real people. This is my This is my take.

800
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: It's not about Jeffrey Epstein, and it's not about the

801
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: billions and billions of dollars that he manages. It's about

802
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: the high powered people. In my opinion, this is not proven.

803
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: The high powered people that took trips with him on

804
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: that Lolita Express, the high powered people. They got massages

805
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: other than Jeffrey Epstein. That's why he got that deal. No,

806
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I mean, because it's just it

807
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: makes no sense. And I believe the lawyer that got

808
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: him that deal is now a member of Trump's cabinet,

809
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: Alex Cossa's secretary of Labor. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, once

810
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: you start getting into those circles, those those power circles,

811
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: there is just so much insulation that can happen, favors owed,

812
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, from high up politicians or law enforcement or whatever.

813
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: And people call that stuff in it's it's it's real.

814
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: This is not tinfoil hat stuff. This is not imaginary.

815
00:53:54,680 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: These people have immunity to future international sex trafficking. They

816
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: have immunity to anything that would they would catch them

817
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: up in that. And it's like it's it's ten years

818
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: since two thousand eight he spent his time in prison.

819
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: Do you guys really think all of this, any of

820
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: this has stopped. I mean, the guy is probably under

821
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: surveillance of some sort, even though well would he be,

822
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,959
Speaker 1: because why would you spend your money if you're even

823
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: the FBI or even the CIA looking at international stuff

824
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: going on? Um, which I guess I don't know how

825
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: that works with the Virgin Islands because technically aren't they

826
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: part of the United States, the US Virgin Islands? Okay, yeah, Um,

827
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: it's just it's so infuriating to think that this kind

828
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: of terrible abuse is occurring and is allowed to occur,

829
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: and it's simply because people have money and tremendous power.

830
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: So maybe an act of Congress could change it, could

831
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: trigger it, you know, maybe just legally speaking. Legally speaking,

832
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it's tough to get this. I mean, the

833
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: d o J is in this, you know. Um. I

834
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: hesitate so often to to accuse people of operating in

835
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: large groups and locks step because, as we know, groups

836
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 1: of people stink at cooperation after a certain threshold is reached.

837
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: But while we were working on this, and while we're

838
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: looking into it, I honestly started to wonder, you know,

839
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: what will there be consequences for us for making this

840
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: episode interesting, which I rarely think about. And you know,

841
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody cares what what we have to

842
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: say about this, but we do want to get this

843
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: out in the public sphere because regard or listen would

844
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: have actually happened. Even if you want to take this

845
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: entities side and say that this was some sort of

846
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: hit piece or something like that. Since two thousand five

847
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: and before that, since the eighties, something happened, Something happened.

848
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 1: There wouldn't be a deal like that if there wasn't

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Speaker 1: um pernicious, horrific stuff. They're that powerful people needed to

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Speaker 1: be powerful. People are conspiring right and closing ranks. This

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Speaker 1: is infuriating. This is infuriating. We want to hear what

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Speaker 1: you think. Thank you for listening. We want to know

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Speaker 1: what what you believe would be the next step for

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Speaker 1: a legitimate investigation which did not occur right at least

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Speaker 1: on Uncle Sam's part. We want to know how far

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Speaker 1: you think this goes. We want to know who else

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Speaker 1: you think is involved, who are those unnamed potential co conspirators,

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Speaker 1: And most importantly, I want you to know that, as

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Speaker 1: that is in a situation like that, you are not alone.

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Speaker 1: You're not powerless. There are people who are there to

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Speaker 1: assault telephone hotline. I don't know what else to say here. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's thank you Ben for that. If you're if you

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Speaker 1: want to learn more, literally just do some Google searches.

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Speaker 1: The Guardian is a good play us to start. Um,

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Speaker 1: Like we said, New York, Meg, Miami, Harold, there there

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Speaker 1: are a bunch of places where you if you want

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Speaker 1: will say that there's some hope here because we're obviously

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Speaker 1: in a time where powerful manner getting taken to task

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Speaker 1: more so than we've seen in the past, certainly, but

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Speaker 1: it still feels like once you get when when you're

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Speaker 1: at a certain level, it's very hard, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, It's very hard to actually make people answer

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Speaker 1: for their crimes, even if it's all laid out on

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Speaker 1: the table like this, which is the which is the

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Speaker 1: most gut wrenching part of this story. That it's like

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt in anyone's mind and this stuff happened.

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Speaker 1: And like you said, Matt, when you know back in

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Speaker 1: the circulation, aside from maybe keeping his nose clean to

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Speaker 1: appease his handlers for a little while, you know, this

887
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Speaker 1: is a man that has a mission he's driven to

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Speaker 1: behave this way and the fact that he's allowed to

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Speaker 1: be out and it just makes me sick. All right,

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Speaker 1: to get into a discussion about this um, it'll be

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Speaker 1: a difficult one for our mods. Um. Sorry everyone, but

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Speaker 1: let's just you know, let's try and have a conversation

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Speaker 1: a flame war because nothing nothing. We don't have to

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Speaker 1: turn discussions about something as horrid as this into just

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Speaker 1: being angry at each other. Let's try and figure out something.

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