WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Jay Shetty Talks Healing, Purpose, Forgiveness, Grace + More 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:05.280 Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club Morning, 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.680 Everybody's DJ n V. Charlamagne the Guy. We are the 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:11.080 Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building, 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:14.480 my guy. He's an author, New York Time best selling author. 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:18.360 He's an entrepreneur, he is a podcast host and now 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.640 he is a model as well. Ladies and gentlemen. Jay Shedding. 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:26.520 By the way, Jay Sheddy is more than the podcast hosts. 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:29.080 He has one of the top ten biggest podcasts in the. 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:31.560 World's right, Okay, I think that's a very important to 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:33.800 note because everybody got a podcast. Okay. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:35.640 Jay said he has one of the top ten biggest 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:37.280 podcasts in the world. Is the number five, I think. 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:39.720 I think so that's on Spotify. I think that's what 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:41.360 it came out as. But no, thank you for having me, guys. 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.400 I love being here with you, guys. I'm so grateful 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:45.600 to be back to your Congrats on the new studio. 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:47.640 And that's not new for you for your viewers, but 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:49.040 it's new for me being in in with you. But 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:50.040 thank you, Thank you, guys. 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:51.960 You're one of the people always use as a model 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:53.479 man when people tell me, like, you know, how do 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.840 I get started in podcasting or broadcasting always say you 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:58.640 got to be your true authentic self and you got 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:02.600 to provide something that you know maybe missing. And you 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:07.640 came with healing, you know, conversations about mental health, love, 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:12.200 and you filled the very big void in the marketplace, 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:13.560 a void that I didn't even think people knew it 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:14.120 was missing. 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.120 Wow. That that means a lot coming from you. I 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:20.080 think whenever you're starting anything right, it's about finding the 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.959 space in the market and then figuring out what you 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.040 just said, that authentic part that you can match with 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.520 that space. And I think for me, I love all 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.520 the podcasts that exists in the world, and they serve 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.920 so many different purposes. There's so many that I listened to, 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.880 But for me, I was I remember I was at 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.560 this event and the event was called Building Meaningful Lives, 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.160 and Tom Brady was speaking at the event, and then 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.199 they were asking questions. And I don't know Tom Brady, 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.560 and you know, we don't know each other, we've never connected. 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.080 But I saw a lot of questions being asked to him, 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.120 and all the questions were about the rings and the 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.520 games and the sports, and I could tell that he 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.160 was trying to talk about meaningful things because the conference 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.880 was building meaningful lives. And again I don't know him, 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:04.840 so I've never checked this with him, but from my perspective, 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:08.000 I could. I felt my intuition suggested that he wanted 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.520 to go in a direction that he couldn't go in 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.960 because everyone just wanted him to talk about sports. And 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:14.760 I was like, Okay, I want to build the platform 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:16.920 where someone like him could go in the direction they 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:18.400 want to go in. That's like when you came on 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:19.560 the show and you need to come back, we need 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.040 to have you back on. You know, when you came on, 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.600 it was like, we could go in the direction that 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.120 you want to talk about that some people don't have 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.200 the platform to do that for, you know. So that's 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:30.040 where it came from. 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:31.560 You know. We had a Kevin Gates up here. 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:35.000 He's a rapper and he has a song called I 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.480 think it's called I Can Heal You, you know, and he's 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:39.560 talking about, you know the fact that he feels like 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:43.480 he can heal women, right, but just in general, do 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:44.880 you think you can heal people? 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.040 I can't heal people. I'm not that powerful. 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:53.359 I don't think I have the power or the capacity 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:56.480 to heal people. But I believe the universe does. I 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:59.400 believe energy does. I believe frequency does. And I think 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:03.840 that all we're trying to do is introduce people to 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:07.760 all of these ideas, concepts, practices, habits, mindsets that they 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.480 can then implement. I think people taking on that power 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.760 is too much pressure. I think taking on that pressure 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.040 of I'm gonna heal you, I'm gonna heal people. Wow, 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.400 I think I would crumble if I felt that way, 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.160 I would I would not last two seconds. 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.480 And so I have never felt that. 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:25.560 And I've always felt that I've been a vessel for 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.960 my teachers and mentors and guides. I feel that I've 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:29.760 been so invested in a lot of people will say 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.560 to me, like, Jay, you're so young, how did you 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:33.600 learn this? And I'll say, I just got lucky. I 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.760 had great mentors, great teachers, great guides, and I'm just 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:40.360 trying to share what I've learned through me. And yeah, 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:42.120 I don't want I don't want the pressure of trying 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.760 to be a savior, messiah or a cha. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.360 You can heal people do your experience though, because people, 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:48.840 you know, I think a lot of times they feel 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.440 like they're alone. And if you explain your story and 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.560 tell them how you got through your tough times or 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.880 whatever that you've been through. It can, like you said, 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.560 give somebody a roadmap of what they can do. Absolutely, 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:00.400 you know, for every situation that you try might not 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.480 work for somebody, you know, but it'll give them a 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.960 guide to maybe something that can put them on their healings. 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.680 Absolutely. Absolutely, yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that, 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.920 but I feel like that is still so much on 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:14.320 that person. And I feel like that's what we've seen, 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:18.080 whether it's mental health, whether it's growth, whether it's personal development, 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.560 so much of the accountability and responsibility is on the 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:25.000 receiver of knowledge. My teachers would always give this beautiful example. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.200 They'd say, because sometimes right I go to listen to 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.640 a talk, or you go listen to a podcast, and 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.920 the person who's teaching you is maybe not the best orator, 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.440 they're not the best communicator, they're not the person who's 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.480 coming at it with all the you know, gems and 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.640 everything else. And my teachers would say to me, if 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.560 you're sitting in a class like that, you may think 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.000 the speakers at a zero, but that means you need 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.680 to rise to a ten to extract greatness from them. 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:50.640 Whereas if your. 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.560 Speakers at a ten, you get to coast at a 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.720 zero and you may extract nothing from them because they 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.719 just entertained your mind. And so I think as a listener, 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.719 as a practitioner, we've got a is our game to 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.839 extract greatness from who we're listening to and implement in 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:04.360 our lives. 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:05.160 If that makes sense? 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:06.800 Does everybody know? 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:14.599 I feel like everybody deserves healing, But does everybody deserve healing? 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.400 I would say that let's go around down this thought 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.520 experiment to answer that question. So I've been thinking a 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:26.440 lot about this. If we could simplify the purpose. 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:27.680 Of life to be. 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.200 To love and be loved, if we could agree that 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.839 we think that loving others and being loved by others 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.600 feels like a meaningful purpose in our lives. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:38.320 Right. 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.920 What's really interesting about that is that because of how 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:47.400 we've been loved growing up, we chase to do things 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:50.000 in order to be loved. So we start thinking, well, 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.039 in order for me to be loved, I need to 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.120 build a big business. I need to look a certain way. 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.359 I need to have a certain amount of followers, I 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.599 need to build a podcast, whatever it may be. So 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:02.719 we start doing lots of stuff in order to be loved, 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.080 because we think to love and be loved we need 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.280 to do big things. Then what ends up happening is 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.720 we end up in a space where we realize that 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.320 doesn't lead to love. I'm not loved more because I 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.400 have more followers. I'm not loved more because I have 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.839 more money. I'm not loved more because I have more, 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.960 which then begs the question going to your earlier question, 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.800 we need to heal that idea. So I think everyone 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:31.239 deserves healing because everyone's been misled, whether it's by the system, 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.360 whether it's by society, whether it's about conditioning. So if 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.000 you look at the journey as to why everyone deserves healing, 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.400 it's because everyone started from a purer place, where everyone 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.160 started from a more naive place but got led down 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.040 a certain path that then requires them to have healing. 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.960 So I think everyone deserves healing. What do you think, gentlemen? 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.080 No, no, no, think deeply I do. 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.440 I just hear people say that you know, and I 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.320 think what I what I would tell folks is you know, 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.760 that's like you said, that's really not a to you 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.720 to decide. You know, if a person, regardless of what 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.000 they've been through. If they decide to go on their 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.680 healing journey, that's between them and their creator, and that's 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:12.280 between them and their their trauma. 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:17.160 Who am I to say that person doesn't deserve Yeah, yeah, I. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.520 Guess the other question too, would be does everybody deserve 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:20.560 forgiveness and grace? 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.680 I mean, here's here's how I like to look at it. 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.000 Let's let's pretend that we lived in a world. Actually, 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:29.640 we don't need to pretend that is the world. Let's 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.320 let's live in a world where there is no forgiveness 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.720 and grace. Lord have mercy, right exactly. Let's let's see 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:37.760 what what would that look like like. Let's do a 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.200 thought experiment. You have a planet, there's no forgiveness, there's 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.440 no grace. I would struggle to live in that world 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:45.800 because I know I need forgiveness and grace not only 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.320 from myself but from the people around me. If my 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.760 wife wasn't forgiving and getting give me grace, that would 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:55.040 be a really tough relationship. If my mom didn't forgive 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.280 me and give me grace, that would be a tough relationship. 0:07:57.560 --> 0:07:59.760 If my boss, if you know, whatever else in my life, 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.880 I think we'd actually all be living with more anxiety, 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:07.920 more stress, and we'd internalize that lack of forgiveness and 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.560 project it back onto ourselves and that would pervent you 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:12.160 a cycle. By the way, that's kind of where we're 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.520 at right now. And I think a lot of our 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.800 lack of capacity for forgiveness and grace for others actually 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:22.200 comes because we don't give ourselves the benefit of the doubt, right, 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:26.560 Like you know, amazing things can happen whereby we literally 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.320 will you know, I think I'm sure you've heard this too, 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:31.800 where it's like I loved you until you did this. 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.040 I believed in you until you did this, And it's 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.320 almost like we don't give ourself a second chance. And 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.200 because we don't give ourselves a second chance, we don't 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:44.960 give others a second chance. And I believe that everyone 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:50.760 deserves forgiveness and grace if they are willing to choose 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.120 the path of reformation, if they're willing to go on 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.520 the path and do the work of saying I have 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.320 had some challenges, I've made some mistakes. I'm willing to grow. 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:05.160 That's but sometimes it's a chicken and egg situation because 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.480 sometimes for someone to have that reaction, they need to 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.800 feel that there is an opportunity for forgiveness and grace. 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:14.439 So often people are so scared that people won't forgive 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.319 them that they don't want to admit it. Right, Let's 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:23.000 take a very basic example, like you know someone's let's 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.120 take something that I think you know, someone's cheated on 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:29.320 their partner. Not not an ideal situation, not a great thing. 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:31.560 Do we just let that person get away with it? 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.520 Of course not. But partly that person may be scared 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.320 of sharing it because they're scared they won't be forgiveness 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.120 and grace that's true now, or scared to lose or 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.840 scared to lose now they've made a mistake and they 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:47.120 should be held accountable regardless because if they were in 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.240 a committed relationship. But it's this chicken and egg situation 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.280 of like what comes first? And I don't know the 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.240 answer to that because it requires so much from the 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.679 person who's been hurt, and it's sad because you've already 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.199 been hurt and now more is required of you. A 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:01.760 lot of people feel that way, that they're the one 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.440 who's been high, but they've going to be the bigger person. 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.679 Yeah, I think a lot of times with forgiveness sometimes 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.240 it's why the person asks for forgiveness, so why the 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.360 person is sorry. Right. So, like you said in the 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.440 cheating situation, right, it's quick and easy for a person 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.280 to say, Okay, I'm sorry because they got caught. You know. 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:21.560 Same thing with somebody when they say something wild online. Right, 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:24.360 the first reason they want to apologize really is they 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.280 want things to get back to normal or are they 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.680 really sorry? Did they really understand what they did? It 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.480 hurts somebody, And I think that's the problem when it 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.800 comes to forgiving somebody. Right, it's easy to say I 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.000 forgive you. You slap me in my face, and I say, okay, 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:40.839 I forgive you, But no, I don't, not until we 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.600 have the conversation and why you slap me in the face, 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.880 why you said what you said, how do you affect me, 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:46.679 and then we can get to that path. But I 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.280 think a lot of times it's easy for people to 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:50.520 say I'm sorry, I didn't mean to do it. I 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.360 went to rehabits over right, and the world is supposed 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.640 to open back up. But if you can't explain to 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.880 me why you did what you did and assure me 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.640 why it can't happen again, I can never forgive you, 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:02.320 and people be like, we'll forgive you means this, that 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.679 and the other. No, I don't think about you, but 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.440 that's that's my reason of feeling that way. 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.160 That's yeah, that's the best. I fully agree with everything 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.959 you just said. That's that's that's what's missing is you 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.360 just you said something so subtle and so passively. I 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:16.960 want to highlight for everyone because I'm like, that is 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.719 It's like we want to say sorry often because we 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.520 want things to go back to normal correct and that 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.680 that is the mistake, Like that isn't worthy of forgiveness, 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:28.520 and we need to go deeper than that. 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.880 You just sat down with First Lady Michelle Obama. Conversation 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:37.480 was everywhere right, and she expressed how terrified she was 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.840 about this election year. What was it like hearing that 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.920 from her? And how do you process that? Does that 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:45.440 give you anxiety when. 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:45.720 You hear it? 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.960 Yeah, it's an interesting thought process because I can't vote 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:52.080 in this country. I moved here eight years ago. I 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:53.520 have a green card, but I don't you know, I 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:58.520 don't have voting rights, and I moved here the year 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:02.800 Trump became president in twenty six and so I've had 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.800 an interesting education in the United States, and I haven't. 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.840 You know, I didn't grow up learning American history or 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:14.040 American politics, so I'm also very uneducated in that space. Specifically, 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:20.280 I think for me, I look at most things as 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:24.439 things I can and can't control. And when I think 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.360 about things that make me anxious on a global scale, 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.400 I often ask myself what is the root of that 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:35.800 anxiety in my community? So if I'm seeing whether it's ignorance, 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.880 whether it's a lack of understanding, whether it's a lack 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:43.080 of curiosity, openness, compassion on a global scale, I'm asking myself, 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.880 where does that exist within me and my friends and 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.600 my society, and how do I start impacting that because 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.160 that I can control. And so I've been practicing that 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.679 for a long time because I feel that there's a 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.760 lot of things that give me anxiety, Like there's a 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:57.400 lot of things that can stress me out. There's something 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:58.880 new in the news every day that can do that. 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.400 But for me, what's really interesting is saying, okay, where 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.520 is Like I read this beautiful quote from f Scott 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.160 Fitzgerald a few years back, and it's beautiful and he 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:09.840 said that I don't have my phone. 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:16.360 Others i'd read it right, but type in type in. 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:22.880 The type in two opposites and f Scott Fitzgerald or 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.360 posing ideas correct, but look for the full quote because 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.800 they only quote half of it sometimes and it's so, 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.400 and read a longer version of that quest. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.520 See the test of a first rate the ability the 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.320 whole tool posing sides in mind at the same time 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.800 and still retain the ability to function. One should, for example, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:41.960 be able to see that things are hopeless, yet be 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:43.680 determined to make them otherwise. 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:45.880 That I love that right, like to be able to 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.800 hold this is I think the biggest challenge we're facing 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:54.280 in the human mind is that we're not able in 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.800 our microworld and in a macro world to be able 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:01.120 to hold two opposing ideas at the same time still 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:02.560 retain the ability to function. 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:03.400 So, as F. 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.360 Scott Fitzgerald said, I should be able to see that 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:10.040 everything seems hopeless, yet be determined to make them otherwise. 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.560 That to me is where I like to live and 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.840 where I like to function. Is that how can I 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.280 accept that things are beyond my control? I'm not powerful 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.520 enough yet control what I can try to do, and 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:23.440 so I kind of look at ignorance in my own 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.359 community and my own friends group, in our WhatsApp chats, 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.240 in our tech threads, like where is that ignorance? Where 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.560 is that you know? Where are the missing links? And 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.160 how can I start to impact and influence my friends 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.240 to be more open minded, to be more curious, to 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.280 be better learners. And myself, by the way too, to 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.000 question where I'm easy quick to shut people down, Like 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.320 I've noticed that so much in me recently, Like if 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.760 I'm judging someone, I've really been asking myself, can I 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.400 look for that quality of me? Because I really believe 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.120 that the reason I'm judging it and I'm so triggered 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:58.280 by it is because I know it's inside myself, and 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.400 my judgment is just a reflexion of me not introspecting enough. 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.640 So to me, I try and bring down global events 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.920 into the personal and intimate, because otherwise it's so chaotic 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:10.960 and so hard to deal with. 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.920 I believe some people's judgment is a reflection of the masses, right, 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.520 And that's my biggest thing I have with social media, 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.720 And sometimes when people talk about their healing journey or 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:22.640 some of the things that they do, I think they 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.960 look for out actual without actually doing the necessary work. 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:26.200 Right. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.640 So somebody might see Charlemagne and he's evolved, and he'll 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.040 explain the ways that he evolved, and somebody might jump 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.480 on it because they've seen it work for Charlemagne, but 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:36.520 it won't work for them because it's not in their heart, 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.200 you know what I mean. I think a lot of times, 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.600 with social media and what you said about the masses, 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.960 I think people follow a fake way of doing it 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.400 to pray for healing instead of trying to find their 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.560 own journey. And I think that's the difficult part. And 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.520 I try to tell people and I think, you know, 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:52.240 with some of the things that you're doing, you trying 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.800 to find your own healing journey. Yes, you know. You 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.480 give him example with George Charlomagne gives an example of his. 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:58.960 I give an example of mine. But a lot of 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.600 times people will try to followed that and it doesn't 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:03.600 open up their own mind to some of their other thoughts. 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:07.920 Yeah. Yeah, that's so powerful. And I think the beautiful 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:09.920 thing about anyone who has gone on a healing journey 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:14.240 realizes how unique yet similar it is. Like if we 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.760 sat down and we talked about healing journeys, all three 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.600 of us, we'd find so many similarities, yet so many differences. 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.520 And that's the beauty of it that when you go 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:26.280 down that path. And yeah, I would encourage everyone to 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.520 not try and imitate. It's almost like, you know, a 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.520 few years ago, people's morning routines became really popular, and 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.320 all of a sudden, everyone's trying to do the Einstein 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.480 morning routine or whatever it may be. And it's like, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:38.960 you're not going to become that person by doing their 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:42.040 morning routine. That's a part of who they are. But 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.000 what you're saying is that there's an essence, there's a 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.360 heart there that you're totally missing out on. So yeah, 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.480 I fully agree you can't. You can't imitate someone's morning 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:50.960 routine and suddenly become them. 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:52.840 I like what you said too, can you can you 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.280 really find truth in this world of extremes because it 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.200 feels like everybody got to pick a side. Yeah, and 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:00.800 like we talked about it, what you came in, Like 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.080 I could sit down and have a conversation with somebody 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.960 and people will look at that as an endorsement. No, 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.240 we're just having a conversation because there's got to be 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.600 some nuance in all of this. Right that I got 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.280 a spiritual you know, leader one of my spiritual teachers 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.600 of Lutha YadA, she always says, she says, there's no 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.760 such thing as right and wrong in humans. 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.640 Do you do you believe that there's no such thing 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.400 as right and wrong? I mean you could see that 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.480 from the I guess it depends what level of I 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.320 guess it depends on what level of humanity you're talking about. Right, 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:34.040 they're legal, there's right and wrong. I guess morally there's 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.840 right and wrong, and then I guess thought wise or 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:42.240 perception wise. Then you get into muddy a territory because 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.080 then what is right and wrong? Because everyone's looking at everything. 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.560 If you just think about the multiple lenses that we've had, 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.280 it's like if you imagine that every life experience you've 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:56.000 had is a crack in the mirror. Right the parents 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:59.280 you had, the town you grew up in, the friends 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.360 you had growing up, the school you went to, your 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:06.200 first job, your first love, your first heartbreak. Imagine all 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.880 of those are cracks in a mirror. Now every time 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:12.879 you're looking in that mirror, imagine how many different reflections 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.399 and distorted reflections you're seeing. We're basically dealing with that 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:21.400 with eight billion people. So the amount of distortion in perception, reflection, 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:26.480 perspective is so variegated that how can any one of 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:28.840 us know what the truth is or what right and 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:33.200 wrong is because it's there's the options unlimited, like you 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.800 would need an algorithm, and even an algorithm couldn't compute 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:40.399 the depths of the trauma, the impact the experience like 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:44.359 it would require it would require a God's brain in 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:48.119 order to formulate and contextualize all of those experiences. So 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:50.840 I do think there was this I don't know where 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.040 it's from, but I remember seeing it in Cobra Kai, 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.280 of all places. But there was this great line that said, 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.040 there's there's always three sides to every story, yours, mine 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.120 and the truth. But I think the challenge is that 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.200 the truth part is we're not. 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:06.840