1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my. 6 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 3: Name is Nol. They called me Ben. We're joined as 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 3: always with our super producer Paul, Mission Control decand most importantly, 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 3: you are you. You are here. That makes this the 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know and what will 10 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 3: probably be the last of our sort of Hoover Dam phase. 11 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 3: So apologies to everybody who is saying, Okay, we get it. 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 3: You guys like the damn Along with Lake Mead, Hoover 13 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 3: Dam is one of the coolest parts of Vegas. If 14 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 3: you want the history of the Hoover Dam, check out 15 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: our two parts reason it in our peer podcast Ridiculous History. 16 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: And we talked a little bit about today's show in 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 3: I Think a listener mail, so thanks to Jasmine out 18 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: in Vegas. We we mentioned a darker phenomenon at play 19 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: in this amazing place, a strange unforeseen consequence of ongoing 20 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 3: drought and climate change. As conspirators or as investigators, he 21 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 3: could say, because it turns out Lake Mead is a 22 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 3: tourist attraction with some disturbing secrets. Here are the facts. 23 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Mafia. Sorry, I mean, that's that's true. 24 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 3: That's that is a fact. The mafia. Especially in decades past, 25 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: the Mafia was nearly synonymous with Las Vegas and the Strip, 26 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: and it was kind of Authorities always downplayed it, but 27 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 3: it was pretty much an open secret. And yeah, we'll 28 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: keep the cat in. 29 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: He gets it, just that joke of we where did 30 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: that person disappear to? Well, you should check the lake. Well, 31 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: we're gonna get to it, but let's start off by 32 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: talking about the lake itself and that amazing dam. 33 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yes, and keep me honest here. We don't 34 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: want too much ranting about the astonishing nature of the 35 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 3: Hoover Dam. You can again learn about it in depth, 36 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 3: get it in those ridiculous history episodes. But I think 37 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 3: we have to say, if you do get a chance 38 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 3: visit the dam, be careful around the lake and shout 39 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 3: out to our favorite damn historian, Hoover Matt. Ah. Yes, 40 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 3: how can we forget whover? Matt? What a lovely fellow 41 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 3: and excellent tour guy he was, Yes, yes, and sorry, 42 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: we cornered you and interviewed you on the fly there man. 43 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 3: But yeah, Lake Meat it is huge. It's human made, 44 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 3: it's a reservoir. It's a consequence of the dam's construction, 45 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: and it's well, it's not an unforeseen consequence. They built 46 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 3: the dam to make the lake and it's just a 47 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: few miles outside of Vegas. Lake Mead is huge. It 48 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 3: can be one hundred and twelve miles long, and it 49 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: gets pretty deep when it's at full capacity. And that's 50 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: a fact that's going to be important later. It's it 51 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: is the reason American civilization exists the way it does. 52 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 3: In California, Arizona, and Nevada. Millions and millions of thirsty 53 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 3: people depend on the lake for their source of water, 54 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: and a lot of farms depend on the lake as well. 55 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: It's weird when you think about it. If you live 56 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: in the United States, you have probably eaten something from 57 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: one of those farms that depend on Lake Mead at 58 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: some point in your life. So even if you never visit, 59 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 3: you have it interacted with Lake Mead in some way, 60 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: oh for sure. 61 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 4: And the lake is in fact named after a gentleman 62 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 4: named Elwood. 63 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 3: Mead Shout out. Elwood is a real. 64 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 4: Gentlemanly named Ellwood. He was the Commissioner of the US 65 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 4: Bureau of Reclamation from nineteen twenty four to nineteen thirty six. 66 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 4: Self was created in that time frame. Nowadays it is 67 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 4: a kind of a chill place to take the kids 68 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 4: of an afternoon to get out on the water, do 69 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 4: a little water ski. And remember actually in the videos 70 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 4: we saw at the Hoover Dam, they were really promoting 71 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 4: this Lake Mead situation as lake you know. 72 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 5: Fun in the sun with the family, get out on 73 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 5: the water and have a good old time, play frisbee, 74 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 5: cast you real, reel in some fish, all that good stuff. 75 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 5: But of course, like many things that project an image 76 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 5: of squeaky cleanliness, there is of course the dark underbelly. 77 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, lakes are deep and dark the water. 78 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 3: But before these are literally a cover up. 79 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, before you even get to that, let's talk 80 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 2: about the dark side of that little bureau that we 81 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 2: just mentioned, the Bureau of Reclamation that we talked about 82 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 2: a little while back on another episode where you're talking 83 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: about land rights and reclaiming, reclaiming the land really. 84 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, manifests claim from what about nature itself? 85 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 2: We claimed this land he is ours now. 86 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 3: Yes, then he did an old thing that for us. 87 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: I don't know it was Arnold. 88 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 3: Oh, I thought that was Elwood. 89 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what it is. It's 90 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 2: it's it's crazy to think that. You know, that bureau 91 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: went across the United State what was not the United States, 92 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: what was the land of North America, what we called 93 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: North America, and said, hey, this this hours now and 94 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 2: uh we we're going to drown this entire area in 95 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 2: water splash. 96 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's seeius the communities that live there for thousands 97 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: of years. Yeah, and that's not like a that's not 98 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: a hot take, that's not a political ideology, and you 99 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: sort of that's exactly what happened. And you know, a 100 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 3: lot of lakes do have these darker stories. For comparison, 101 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 3: here in our fair metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia, or near 102 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 3: the city, there's a man made lake called Lake Lanier, 103 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 3: and we mentioned it on the show in the past. Matt, 104 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 3: I think you probably have the most familiarity with it 105 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: because of where you grew up. You're a little closer 106 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 3: to it. Yeah. 107 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, my neighborhood had a doc I would go chill 108 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: on that lake like every time, and he survived, of 109 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: course I did. 110 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 4: I cross over it on the way back to my 111 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 4: hometown of Augusta. It's almost like the not the midway point, 112 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 4: but it's how you kind of know you're you're you're 113 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 4: out of a city. 114 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 3: You know, you're sort of. 115 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 4: Like on the way when you cross over that bridge 116 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 4: and you see Lake Lanier on either side and it 117 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 4: is beautiful once again, idyllic. During the summer, tons of 118 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 4: you know, personal watercrafts were all of a sudden, like 119 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 4: a boat salesman out there. But yeah, big time. The 120 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 4: whole city was flooded and people lost their lives, and 121 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 4: you know, we're they're down there still. 122 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: Perhaps well, people were buried there when it got flooded, right, 123 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 2: so like those bodies are certainly there. And then people 124 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 2: go missing in Lake Lanier all the time. 125 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: Every single year. Yeah, especially when the weather gets nicer 126 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: and there are more people out because we can often 127 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: you know, people, I think know the ocean can be dangerous, 128 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 3: but I think we can sometimes underestimate the dangers posed 129 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 3: by anybody of water, including a lake, including a river 130 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: or a creek. There's one in I want to say, 131 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: in the United Kingdom one of the most dangerous creeks. 132 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 3: It looks it looks like you could just get a 133 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 3: running start and jump over it. But it's a very 134 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 3: deep cleft of land and uh like it's got such 135 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: a pull to it that if you stick your foot in, 136 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: it will be as if the water has grabbed your 137 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: ankle and pulls you down. 138 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's terrifying. 139 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll show you a picture. 140 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: Well, I but the water is a rodent, like the 141 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: edges on the like you know below where you could 142 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: literally get stuck under the rock. Yeah, so be careful 143 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 2: out there on the lake. 144 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 3: Have fun. We don't want to be the fun police. 145 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 3: But it is true that, just like Lake Lanier, the 146 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 3: creation of Lake Mead to your point in No literally 147 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: drowned parts of history. The Anasazi ruins were there because 148 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: those communities have been in that area for thousands of years, 149 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: right before the concept of America was a thing. 150 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: Well so when there's this thing called the Colorado River, 151 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,559 Speaker 2: huge very important snake of water. 152 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it wiggles around, Yeah it does. 153 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: But it was there the whole time, right that water 154 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 2: was constantly flowing and then you know, some humans decided 155 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: to dam it up to create this lake thing. But 156 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: they've been using that sorts of water that river for 157 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: thousands of years. 158 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it makes sense because you look at the 159 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:55,479 Speaker 3: surrounding environment pre dam and it's a little mad MAXI 160 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 3: it's I mean, it's beautiful, but it's it's kind of arid, 161 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: so you would naturally congregate towards the water. A lot 162 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 3: of these ruins left by these ancient peoples were submerged, 163 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 3: were drowned by the creation of Lake Mead, And the 164 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 3: most famous is something with the cool name the Lost City. 165 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 4: Oh Lost City. The National Park Service puts it nicely. 166 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 4: Not all sites were drowned by the lake, but the 167 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 4: most representative, Pueblo Grande den Nevada. The Lost City was Luckily, 168 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 4: hundreds of sites remained above water and various artifacts were 169 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 4: saved from the Lost City to be housed in the 170 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 4: Lost City Museum of Archaeology in Overtent, Nevada. But for 171 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 4: every discovery saved, myriad others were lost. 172 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: Dude, the National Park Service is so funny. 173 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 3: It's cool. 174 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: It's talking about this guy who discovered it again, not 175 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: discovered it. I think they put it well like that. 176 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: They say it was documented in History in eighteen twenty 177 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: seven by Jebediah Smith to diet. But you know, but 178 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: it does say it was first seen by whites in 179 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: eighteen sixty side flats. Well, but it's just yeah again, 180 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 2: it's that thing. It's that same thing. Goes back to 181 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 2: the reclamation stuff. 182 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. And there's also first off, we can't say 183 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 3: enough good stuff about the National Park Service. We're the 184 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 3: current iteration of it. We're big fans of the work 185 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: they do, and and you know, I think it speaks 186 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 3: to the organization's credit that they're not trying to cover 187 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 3: up some of the nastier sides of history. And then 188 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 3: there were other more recent communities that had to be 189 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: evacuated as the watchers rose. One of the most notable 190 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 3: is Saint Thomas, Nevada. Saint Thomas, Nevada, excuse me, it 191 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 3: went under. And this is the first controversy about lake meat. 192 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 3: It's the controversy on the erasure of history. It's unfortunately 193 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 3: all too familiar to those of us in the US. 194 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 3: But this is not, by any means the only issue 195 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 3: facing the lake. Environmental problems we talked about earlier. The 196 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 3: lake is huge. When it's at full capacity a surface 197 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 3: area of two hundred and forty seven square miles, but 198 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 3: it hasn't been at full capacity for like more than 199 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 3: forty years. 200 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, let's let's go through some of these numbers. 201 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: So early, early on, in February nineteen thirty five, when 202 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: the lake first begins to fill up at its highest point, 203 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 2: according to the National Park Service, it is at seven 204 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: hundred and eight point seven feet highest point in all 205 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: of Lake Mead, and it fills and fills and fills, 206 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: and then it gets up to its highest point in 207 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty three, so almost fifty years later, and the 208 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: height is one thy two hundred and twenty five point 209 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: four to four feet. That is the highest it ever got. 210 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 3: And we don't know when it will return to that 211 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 3: point because in the intervening decades the lake has struggled 212 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 3: against increasingly disturbing drought conditions. The water kept going down 213 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 3: because you know, it's a source of water for a 214 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 3: lot of very thirsty people. And right now it's about 215 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty feet lower than it was in 216 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 3: the year two thousand. The shoreline is shifting, just like 217 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: the Colorado River used to do. It still does, and 218 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: this meant the lake's secrets were slowly revealed. In fact, 219 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: in recent years, how creepy is this? You could see 220 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 3: this submerged the once submerged ruins of Saint Thomas, and 221 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 3: as those waters continue to fall, we started finding bodies. 222 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 3: We'll pause for a word from our sponsor, then dive in. 223 00:12:52,240 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe not. Here's where it gets crazy. 224 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 3: Let's go back to the summer of twenty twenty two. Wow, yes, 225 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 3: it was a good year. 226 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about just the height there we were 227 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: talking about. You know, two hundred and twenty five feet 228 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 2: is the highest. Then in the summer of twenty twenty two, 229 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: the lake is at about one thousand and forty feet, 230 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 2: like roughly around there. So just that difference in height, 231 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: think about really, think about that one hundred feet difference. 232 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: What could be hidden in a hundred feet. 233 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 3: That's a lot of feet. That's a cetipede's worth of feet. 234 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: Well do you guys, do you guys remember Agrophobia I 235 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: think is the name of the ride at six Flags. 236 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: Oh take you, yeah, But for me, it stands two 237 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: hundred feet tall and if you imagine half of that ride, 238 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: and it's massive. When you look at it. Imagine half 239 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: of that ride being submerged in water, and then all 240 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 2: of a sudden it comes down like just for me, 241 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 2: visualizing it like that blows my mind exactly. 242 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, And this also finds me of an episode we 243 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 3: did years ago on car Stuff, which was entirely about 244 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 3: cars being found in lakes and rivers as as water recedes, 245 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 3: because as empty as those things may look, you know, 246 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 3: the still waters literally do run deep. And people who 247 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 3: visited the lake around this time, this summer of twenty 248 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 3: twenty two, they were doing the you know, they were 249 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 3: having a picnic, they were fishing, they were doing some 250 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 3: water sports and along the shore they started finding skeletal remains. 251 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 3: And when they started finding them, they found a lot 252 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: in quick succession. These were not one off incidents by 253 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 3: any means, and The Guardian. The Guardian has a great 254 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: description of how this started happening. Beginning last spring. 255 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 4: They say human remains surfaced at Lake Meat in quick succession, 256 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 4: a body with a gunshot wound in a barrel in May, 257 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 4: jawbone in the sand the following week, and in July, 258 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 4: partial skeletal remains encased in mud along the shorelines. Like 259 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 4: what you were talking about ben. In October, contractors working 260 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 4: near a marine found more remains, and then they offer 261 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 4: a quick timeline. The first body, being pretty much the 262 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 4: most sinister and ominous of these, was discovered on May first, 263 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, the second just six days later on 264 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 4: May seventh, Another July twenty fifth, and then another on 265 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 4: August sixth, pretty quick succession, and one final one well 266 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 4: not final but for this run another on August fifteen. 267 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, So when people are hearing this is important to remember. 268 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: When people are hearing about this, locals in the area, 269 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: they are not getting a lot of information. They don't 270 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 3: know if these bodies are recent, and that, you know, 271 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 3: that sparks public concern and the population is asking is 272 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 3: there a crime wave? Are there you know, a real 273 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 3: killers or something active here? And police move quickly to 274 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 3: shut down that speculation, and they quote in a public 275 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: statement they say the back to back discoveries are not 276 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 3: an indication of a serial killer, but rather the consequences 277 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: of the environmental disaster, draining the lake and uncovering bodies 278 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 3: that have been lost to the water. Most are suspected 279 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 3: to be accidental deaths, but one case, the remains found 280 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 3: in a barrel. That case is being investigated as a homicide, 281 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 3: and it should. It sounds downright ghoulish, doesn't it. I mean, 282 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 3: the only the only times, the only times people consensually 283 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 3: die in barrels in the water is when they're trying 284 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 3: to do that Niagara falls stunt you know, which is illegal, 285 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: by the way, don't do it. 286 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 4: Or that scene from the Hobbit. Isn't that a thing 287 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 4: where they're flowing down the barrels? Yeah, they survived, but 288 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 4: they were also you know, I think a good size for. 289 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 3: It, Yes, they were the Hobbits or barrel size. 290 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. In general, people don't take firearms into a 291 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: barrel they're being encased in. 292 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 3: No, well, I mean, you know, we wouldn't recommend it, right. 293 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 2: No, probably a bad idea. 294 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 3: There are other things. Go to an amusement park instead 295 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 3: if you're if you're trying to get out and do stunts. 296 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: But uh yeah, it shows us a fact that people 297 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 3: don't really acknowledge. We talked about at the top. Lakes 298 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 3: can be very dangerous. It's easy to fall from a boat, 299 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 3: to miscalculate a swim, to injure yourself somewhere beyond the 300 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: reach of help. And so people can just disappear in 301 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 3: these large lakes. 302 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a real danger. And just going back to 303 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: lake linear of people who are just hanging out, playing 304 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 2: right off, swimming off a boat. But then there's this 305 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 2: desire to like touch the bottom. I don't know if 306 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 2: you guys had that when you're a kid. 307 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 4: Thank you, No kid, I get it, but the bottom 308 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 4: freaks me out. I always found it slimy and gross, 309 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 4: and I would do anything I could to avoid touching 310 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 4: the bottom. 311 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 2: Yes, this is mean speak off the top of the 312 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 2: dome here, but I think there's a real problem where 313 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: people underestimate the depth of some of these lakes. They 314 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: would try and go down and you can either get 315 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: caught on something down there, or you've just overestimate. You 316 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 2: thought you were gonna be able to push up from 317 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 2: the bottom and get this tremendous amount of force going 318 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 2: back up, but you're unable to breach the bottom, so 319 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: you can't and it's and then it's it's over. It's 320 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: just ra god, it's it's scary. 321 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 3: Oh. Now I remember the name of that name, that 322 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 3: creepy river I was talking about the United Kingdom. It's 323 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 3: called the strid If anybody wants to look that up too. 324 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 3: It's st r I D And everything that we just 325 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 3: said about lakes applies to that thing too, so be careful. Uh. Yeah, 326 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 3: it's it's misleading because the lake can look calm and 327 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 3: as we said, sedate, but unfortunately, unfortunately people made some 328 00:18:54,960 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 3: fatal mistakes. The first corpse discovered, the first remains. As 329 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 3: you said, no, they're by far the most ominous. It's 330 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 3: a corpse in a metal barrel, think like an oil drum, 331 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 3: and you can see photographs of this online. The person 332 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 3: inside was not a recent death. They had been murdered 333 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 3: with a gunshot to the head forty years ago, and 334 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 3: authorities knew that. The only way they found this person, 335 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 3: who remains unidentified, it's due to the ongoing drought because 336 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: water levels were lower. Yeah, And Lieutenant Ray Spencer spoke 337 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 3: with the public and with the press about this. He 338 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 3: is a part of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, 339 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 3: and speaking to the New York Times, he said, it's 340 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 3: really odd in the sense that had the lake never receded, 341 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 3: we would never have discovered this body. The killers would 342 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 3: have gotten away. 343 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 2: Wow. And that would have been around the time like 344 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four, right nineteen eighty three, that's when the 345 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: lake was at its highest. So it does make sense 346 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 2: that whoever killed this person put him in a barrel 347 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 2: and then put the barrel in the lake would have 348 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: felt super confident that that body's gone forever. 349 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 3: And yeah, there were a couple of things that in 350 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 3: a murder mystery might be considered almost red herrings too, 351 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 3: because shortly after the discovery of that body in the barrel, 352 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 3: some other people found a barrel, but it was empty, 353 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 3: so we don't know if, like the there was a 354 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,479 Speaker 3: body in it or if it's just a random barrel. 355 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 3: And then a journalist later found I was reading this 356 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 3: on the police department's twitter a journalist found a gun 357 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 3: near where the barrel with a body was discovered. And 358 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 3: then they said something weird that stood out to me. 359 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 3: I think it's just a strange side note, the police said, hey, 360 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 3: firearms are often found at the lake, so we don't 361 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 3: know whether this one's related to the murder or any murders. 362 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 3: How often are people leaving guns at the lake? 363 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: Ah, dude, I bet it's way more often than. 364 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 3: Am I a sucker for guns? Should I just like 365 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 3: go to a lake? 366 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 4: And wait, well, you do often hear and see people 367 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 4: throwing guns into rivers and lakes off of bridges, and 368 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 4: it's a pretty popular way of getting rid of a gun. 369 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 4: The chances are if you drag a lake or a river, 370 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 4: you're gonna find some firearms, probably that have some bodies 371 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 4: on them. 372 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: Well, if we've talked before, one of the yeah that's grizzly, 373 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 2: one of the ways to get rid of evidence is 374 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: to have water interact with it. 375 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 3: Oh right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's up pretty high. 376 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, especially anything that has an organic component to it. 377 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: But even with a gun, if you're talking about fingerprints 378 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: or you know, it's rust developing on something that's metal, 379 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 2: waters probably a smart way to go. 380 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I think you're right. Yeah, it makes me we 381 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: haven't talked about this on air, but I've been deep 382 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 3: into a lot of the weird stuff that happens in 383 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 3: Hurricane Katrina. To your point, there's a lot of opportunity 384 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 3: for chaos there, you know, and crime. Maybe a story 385 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 3: for another day, but I think you're I think you're 386 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 3: absolutely right. I mean, it is grizzly, but it's also honest. 387 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 3: And Spencer acknowledges this. He makes a chilling prediction. In 388 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 3: his conversations with The New York Times and other members 389 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 3: of the press. He says, look, the drop in the 390 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 3: lake's water level is going to continue, which means we're 391 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 3: going to find other bodies. And he was on the 392 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 3: money with it. 393 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 4: And dude, I'm sorry, added back to the firearm thing. 394 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a ton of guns in. 395 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 3: Lake me It's the perfect place. 396 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 4: You know, people do a crime in the desert and 397 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 4: they tossed the gun. That's exactly what happens. I bet 398 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 4: you they would. 399 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and for a long time you could drive You 400 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 3: could just drive right by Lake met right, we drive 401 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 3: over the Hoover Dam. You don't even have to stop 402 00:22:58,720 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: the car. 403 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 4: Ben, I'm I think I've mentioned Ben and Matt. I'm 404 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 4: taking a trip where I'm doing a driving thing from 405 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 4: Vegas to l A, going through Joshua Tree. 406 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 5: Is that on the way? 407 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 4: Is am I going to pass Lake Mead on that journey. 408 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 3: If you're leaving Las Vegas? Hah, I think it'd be 409 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 3: worth it if you have time, just a little detour 410 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 3: and do it. 411 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going through Joshua Tree and then all the 412 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 4: way to La so Joshua Tree is on the on 413 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 4: the way, but we can there's a couple of little detours. 414 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 3: We can make. 415 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 4: We're actually not in a rush, So I rented as 416 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 4: a Mini Cooper convertible, y'all. 417 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 3: Isn't that the y thing? Yeah? 418 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 2: Lake Mead is just so you know, to the east 419 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: and then you're headed like southwest. Basically, Yeah, sour got it. 420 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 3: Well, detour, I think so. 421 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 4: I remember, guys, when we saw the Hoover Dam, just 422 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 4: when we came up on it from a distance, it 423 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 4: was like, you know, genuinely quite breathtaking. 424 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. Ok, what did my dad called it? The audacity 425 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 3: or something. It's like it's as if we spat in 426 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 3: the face of God or something like that. It's a dramatic, dude, 427 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's also there's another chilling thing that Spencer 428 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: mentions at the conclusion of his interview. He said that 429 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 3: the National Park Service finds one or two bodies at 430 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 3: Lake Mead every year minimum, and so it's not uncommon 431 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 3: to work a homicide out by the lake. And this 432 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: is something the locals of the town are all aware of, 433 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 3: right and given the timeframe of the disappearance of the 434 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 3: body and the barrel. It's not implausible to imagine that 435 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 3: this person may have been murdered by the mob, or 436 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 3: may have been murdered by another kind of organized crime, 437 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 3: like a motorcycle gang. We really don't know. We do 438 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 3: know the mob had a lot of influence over Vegas 439 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 3: at the time. According to the police. This person's clothing 440 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 3: and footwear it looks to be from the seventies or 441 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 3: the early nineteen eighties. And that's at this point, that's 442 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 3: one of our best clues, just because it helps us 443 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 3: figure out, you know, who the who the murderers might 444 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 3: have been, who was an active murderer at that time. 445 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 3: And this puts the Vagus Mob Museum in a really 446 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 3: intriguing position because it turns out they're the perfect resource 447 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 3: on mob murders and they they actually know the truth, 448 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 3: you know, pass the fiction and past the the tropes. Right, 449 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 3: Like the old idea of giving someone cement shoes, it's 450 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 3: very dramatic, It looks great on film, it has happened 451 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 3: in real life, but it's not as good as putting 452 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 3: someone in a container. 453 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 2: Especially you put other stuff in that container, you know, 454 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 2: like some cement or something to make it super heavy, 455 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: or something that dissolves bodies. 456 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: M yeah, yeah, exactly. And then the problem logically, and 457 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 3: this is a bit grulish, but the problem with putting 458 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 3: concrete on people's feet and tie them up and dropping 459 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 3: them in water is that as the body decays, limbs 460 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 3: will start to separate and they will float the surface, 461 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 3: right right right. So the body in a barrel is 462 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 3: a good it's a container method, you know, and it 463 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 3: lengthens your window of time before the decay sets in 464 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 3: and the barrel erodes and you start to see things 465 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 3: float to the surface. So the more you know, I guess. Also, 466 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 3: don't they bury a lot of people in the desert 467 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 3: in Vegas are didn't they during this time? Yeah? 468 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 2: They did all I don't know. I don't know if 469 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 2: they did or not, but sure it makes sense. I 470 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 2: imagine the wildlife that you know isn't isn't super plentiful 471 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: out in the desert or or eat you know, in 472 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 2: the lake even probably, But scavengers will help get the 473 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 2: job done as well. 474 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 3: That's true. That's true. And we know that this person 475 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 3: found in a barrel is a peak example of the 476 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 3: problems with identifying bodies recovered this way, especially at Lake Mead. 477 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 3: Lake Mead is a more difficult environment than a lot 478 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 3: of other lakes, and we learned this from a forensic anthropologist, 479 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 3: doctor Jennifer Burns. Burns says, the reservoir is so large 480 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 3: that it had you know, has currents, so it can 481 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 3: move a body from where it was drowned or dumped 482 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 3: and then cause it to break apart. So at least 483 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 3: some of the bodies that were in the lake are 484 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 3: never going to be found because they were essentially like 485 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 3: dismembered than disintegrated by the natural motions of the water. 486 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 3: And then, like you said, Matt, scavengers. Scavengers will feed 487 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 3: on a body and it will make it very difficult 488 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 3: to determine an identity, right because fingerprints are going to 489 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 3: be out. You can't always rely on dental records, and 490 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 3: if someone has died before the advent of DNA testing, 491 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 3: then you don't really have a way to conduct those tests, 492 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. 493 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is creeping out, guys, It's it's creepy stuff. 494 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is ominous and creepy again, chilling, But we 495 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 3: do have somewhat good news. We don't want to have 496 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 3: it all be a march into the dark. So we're 497 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 3: gonna pause for a word from our sponsors, and we'll 498 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 3: return with a little bit of good news, and we're back, guys. 499 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 4: Is part of the creepiness of this, the act of 500 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 4: kind of imagine yourself being under there, being eaten by. 501 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 3: Crabs, sort of. I don't know, just like there's something 502 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 3: there's there's something about a watery grave. 503 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 4: I think in general that is just very unsettling and 504 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 4: very Edgar Allan Poe esque or something, you know, very 505 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 4: uh yeah, goth. 506 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, we all have such tremendous imaginations. 507 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: Some people are listening to this imagining that right drowning. 508 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: Some people are imagining, uh, you know, hiding a body there. 509 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 2: It just depends on I guess. 510 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 3: We're all gonna have weird dreams tonight, I think, uh, 511 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 3: and tell us about yours, fellow conspiracy realist. Uh, yeah, 512 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 3: it is. There is something haunting about the concept, right 513 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 3: that this tourist attraction, this local hangout spot, this source 514 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 3: of economy and life for so many people, is also 515 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 3: essentially a graveyard, a watery graveyard. Okay, we said good news, 516 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 3: we promised something like good news. Thankfully, despite all the 517 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 3: difficulties some of the bodies recovered from Lake Mead over 518 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 3: time have been identified. One is like folks like Donald Smith, 519 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 3: who drowned in nineteen seventy four when he's thirty nine 520 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 3: years old, or Thomas Earned, a forty two year old 521 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 3: who disappeared at the lake in August of two thousand 522 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 3: and two, and then Claude Russell Pensinger who disappeared in 523 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 3: July of nineteen ninety eight. Those last three, all those 524 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 3: identifications were made using DNA analysis. 525 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, and while it's still tragic, at the very least, 526 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 4: it is a closing of the loop for loved ones 527 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 4: who know at least know what happened. 528 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 3: To these people. Yeah, Yeah, and I think that's really 529 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 3: important thing. 530 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think more more important, more important than anyone 531 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 4: who has never been through something like this might ever realize. 532 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 4: You know, just have knowing what happened. You see it 533 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 4: all the time, you know, and stories are people just 534 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 4: you know, what's the word, carrying a torch for somebody 535 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 4: for the rest of their life because they had no 536 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 4: I have no idea what actually happened to them. And 537 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 4: it can be something that haunts you daily and can 538 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 4: like really ruin your quality of life. So just the 539 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 4: knowing sometimes at the very least, allows people to move on. 540 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 3: And we see that the police are not the only 541 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 3: folks who are investigating. They're not the only folks who 542 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 3: are making predictions here. Steve Schaeffer is a longtime local 543 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 3: resident and owns an environmental services company called Earth Resource Group. 544 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 3: He spoke to the press his company is working to 545 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 3: uncover bodies and he predicts there will definitely be more 546 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 3: as the water continues to fall. 547 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 2: Well, and the question is is it going to continue 548 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 2: to fall? We were by some of the reporting we 549 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 2: were looking at back in twenty twenty three was projecting, 550 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 2: or at least the research and people, i'm sure like 551 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 2: Steve Schaeffer who's looking at water levels and monitoring them 552 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 2: very closely along with the National Park Service, they were 553 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 2: projecting that the lake is just going to continue to 554 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 2: fall and fall and fall. But thankfully, since some of 555 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 2: these bodies have been discovered, though, lake has risen a bit. 556 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 2: Back in Gosh it was twenty twenty two. In the 557 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 2: summer of twenty twenty two, projections were that in July 558 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 2: of this year twenty twenty four, Lake Mead would be 559 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 2: way down to one thy thirteen feet, but thankfully in March. 560 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 2: As of March eighteenth, lake Mead was at one thousand 561 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 2: and seventy six feet roughly, which is again not the 562 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 2: height that anyone really wants it to be. They want 563 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 2: it to be quite a bit higher than that, but 564 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 2: it is better. And when summertime comes around, the snow 565 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 2: melt is one of the major things that actually fills 566 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 2: Lake Mead because it increases flow from the Colorado River 567 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 2: heading into the lake. So hopefully it's actually gonna build 568 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 2: itself back up a little bit. Hopefully. 569 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 3: Hopefully we'll see because the big question, for the big 570 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 3: question for all the experts now is something like is 571 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 3: that a one step forward, two steps back situation, you 572 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like, will the will it fill 573 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 3: up the way it does with the snow melt as 574 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 3: you mentioned, and then will we still have the same 575 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 3: amount of snowfall year over year as the years continue. 576 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: But there was also a record rainfall for quite a 577 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 2: bit at the beginning of twenty twenty four where they 578 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 2: were getting like zero point three point four inches of rain, 579 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 2: which is big, way higher, way higher than they usually get. 580 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, so there are two concepts of play here. One 581 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 3: is that when the waters rise, it's better for the communities, 582 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 3: right as water becomes an increasingly precious resource in the Southwest. 583 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 3: And then the problem with that is as waters rise, 584 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 3: it becomes increasingly impossible to find the bodies of these victims. 585 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 3: So sometimes there are conflicting interest you know. 586 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, guys, did you read about the bomber. 587 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 3: That yeah, yeah, yeah, like a plane strata fortress? 588 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what are the super fortress what they call 589 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 2: super fortres, Yeah, is a B twenty nine bomber. This huge. 590 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 2: If you've ever watched a World War two movie that 591 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 2: gets out in especially into the Pacific conflict out there, 592 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 2: you know, by Japan and all of that, you have 593 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 2: seen this airplane or depictions of this airplane iconic. It's huge. 594 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 2: It's a huge bomber that's supposed to fly at pretty 595 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 2: crazy altitudes. And one of these is just sitting in 596 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 2: Lake Mead and as the waters went down, you could 597 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 2: the dang things sticking. 598 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 3: Out, Yeah, crashed into the lake. Yeah. Yeah. 599 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 2: This is this is, by the way, the plane that 600 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 2: dropped the only it's the only vehicle that's ever dropped 601 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 2: atomic bombs in the history of mankind, at least on 602 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 2: as an attack rather than. 603 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 3: A test, and it got buried. It got it got 604 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 3: a watery grave. It got buried in the lake. Yep, 605 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 3: so this is a graveyard that accepts more than just humans. 606 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but the humans who were flying that thing 607 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 2: did survive all five. 608 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the plane that was the fatality there. And look, 609 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 3: there's something else. There is a larger issue at play 610 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 3: because Lake Meat is not the only place where the 611 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,760 Speaker 3: water has been dropping. Elephant well, we'll say Elephant Button 612 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 3: Reservoir in New Mexico. These guys were having a bachelor 613 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 3: party and they walked past the shoreline of the reservoir 614 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 3: and they found a fossilized mastodon skull. It's like millions 615 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 3: of years old. What a cool bachelor party. 616 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,760 Speaker 2: How did they get it back to their apartment? 617 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 3: No? I think they were like, it belongs in the 618 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 3: museum type dudes. 619 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 2: You really? 620 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, So they didn't do a mastodon heist. But then 621 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 3: we saw in Utah in twenty twenty one Lake Powell 622 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 3: the waters receded and scientists were able to access these 623 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 3: newly emerged indigenous dwellings that are ancient. And then they 624 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 3: also found a car that had plunged off a cliff earlier, 625 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 3: and people thought it disappeared. 626 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 2: WHOA. 627 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 3: There are a lot of abandoned vehicles and rivers and 628 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 3: lakes across the US, and most of these are the 629 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 3: result of purposeful abandonment or accidents, but statistically speaking, some 630 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 3: of them are also the result of foul play. If 631 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 3: you think about it, the car is working like a 632 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 3: bigger barrel, which is also pretty gruesome. 633 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, should we tell anybody what are the strategies if 634 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,399 Speaker 2: your vehicle ever gets in the water. 635 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 3: First thing you should do is have one of those 636 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 3: handy little devices. You can buy them anywhere, like you 637 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 3: probably find them on Amazon, and you're looking for something 638 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 3: that has a small blade in the handle so that 639 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 3: you can cut the seat belt and break the window right, Yeah, 640 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 3: and they'll have a little metal nubbin on there and 641 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 3: you can use that to crack the glass. 642 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 2: Yep, because you will get stuck in that pressurized you know. 643 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 4: You can't just open the door, and that glass is 644 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 4: kind of breakaway. It's not going to like slice you 645 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 4: up if you're careful. 646 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's also not a situation you ever want 647 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 3: to be in. It's startling, and it's the stuff of nightmares, 648 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 3: right to realize just how how many cars in particular 649 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 3: out there under the water. And this leads us to 650 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 3: ask a question we asked a few years back with 651 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 3: the South Pole, right, what's under the Antarctic ice? What 652 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 3: else is going to emerge from the water in the 653 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 3: coming years? And speaking of haunting images, I can't get 654 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 3: it out of my head, you guys. The barrel gets discovered, 655 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 3: and then there's you know, a nice enough gentleman retired, 656 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 3: still lives in Vegas, a quiet life as a businessman. 657 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 3: You know, he probably has grandkids. He hears the news 658 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 3: and he starts to lose sleep because the past returns 659 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,919 Speaker 3: to us, you know what I mean, Like what if 660 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 3: the killers are still out there? And this is where 661 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 3: we leave it. As investigations continue, the authorities are cooperating 662 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 3: with multiple academics and experts to try to figure out 663 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 3: the identity of so many of these people, and public 664 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 3: speculation is increasingly verging into the realm of conspiracy. But 665 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 3: everyone seems to agree on at least one thing. More 666 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 3: bodies are on the way, their identities, ander of their deaths, 667 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 3: and the motives behind those deaths. That's the stuff that 668 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 3: someone doesn't want you to know, and we at this point, 669 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 3: you know, I think here's a good question we could 670 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 3: ask our fellow listeners today, guys, for people who hike 671 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 3: a lot, who have traveled out in the wild, what's 672 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 3: the weirdest random thing you've seen in the woods. You know, 673 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 3: like remember the stories about someone just finding staircases in 674 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 3: the woods. 675 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay, whoa, Yeah that is greedy. Found little 676 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 2: kids shoes one time on a hike, and again you 677 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 2: know it's probably family went camping or something and like 678 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 2: was moving their stuff and kid left it. But man, 679 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 2: that was an uncomfortable moment. 680 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 4: Well, this is a location where you're gonna find this stuff, 681 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 4: and we've talked about it on the show, but there's 682 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:55,240 Speaker 4: a very weird walking trail here in Atlanta called Doll's 683 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 4: Head Trail, and it is decorated with like super pet cemetery. 684 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 3: We ask creepy. 685 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,760 Speaker 4: Dismembered dolls and children's you know toys, you know, vintage 686 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 4: kind of stuff, and it's all exposed to the element, 687 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,760 Speaker 4: so they're all kind of rotted and like one eyed, 688 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 4: and it's yeah, I wouldn't necessarily take that hike at night, 689 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 4: but it's a really cool one during the day. 690 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 2: I'll give you one more weird example of a thing 691 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 2: I found at the river. This time, I was hiking 692 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,879 Speaker 2: with a buddy of mine and just to go meet 693 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 2: out for a little bit. Had my son with me, 694 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 2: he had his daughters with him, and we were just 695 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 2: walking along the river and we stumbled upon I guess 696 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 2: it was a couple doing a photo shoot that was 697 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 2: very risky while waiting in the river, and we were 698 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 2: all very confused and couldn't figure out why it was 699 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 2: happening out in the open, just with a bunch of 700 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:54,720 Speaker 2: families walking around that risk Well, okay, it was risky 701 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 2: for me maybe. 702 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 4: Okay, dude, do you guys remember the band Toady's or 703 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 4: the Toady's. 704 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 3: Yes. 705 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 4: Actually, they had one kind of radio song. It was 706 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 4: called Possum Kingdom, which I always thought was a really 707 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,240 Speaker 4: creepy and unsettling name, And in the video it depicts 708 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 4: a dude like dragging a body to a lake and 709 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 4: the lyrics are like behind the boat house, I will 710 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 4: show you my dark secret, and then it goes to 711 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 4: at the end, do. 712 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 3: You want to die? Yeah? 713 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,320 Speaker 4: Do you want to die? It's like totally about murdering 714 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,879 Speaker 4: somebody and Barry and and dumping their body. 715 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 3: In a lake. 716 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 4: But I just googled it because I just have this 717 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 4: nostalgia blast. And it's named after a state park in 718 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 4: Texas called Possum Kingdom Lake State Park. What a name 719 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 4: for a place, The idea of a possum kingdom that 720 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 4: just sounds so sinister to me. 721 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 3: Well, I'm proud of them. More rights for the possums, indeed. Good. Yeah, 722 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 3: and uh oh man, I've seen some strange things out there, 723 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 3: but I probably wouldn't sitting on air just weird stuff. 724 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 2: Man. 725 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 3: I found a body one time, like like, uh yeah. 726 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 2: Just just say kind of where. 727 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 3: Okay, No, but if you do want to see bodies 728 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,280 Speaker 3: in the woods, you can go to the Tennessee Body Farm. 729 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 3: That's still there, right. 730 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Josh and Chuck having a Stuff you should know 731 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 2: rather has an episode on that, and I think we've 732 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 2: talked about it quite a bit at least the Old 733 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 2: House of Work todays we were all about bodies and 734 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 2: how they decay at the Old Body Farm. 735 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we've had We've had quite a few interests 736 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 3: over the course of our careers. We want you to 737 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,839 Speaker 3: share your interest with us. What's the strangest thing you've 738 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 3: seen out there in the wild. We try to be 739 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 3: easy to find online. 740 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 4: Indeed, you'd find it in the handle Conspiracy Stuff where 741 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:58,359 Speaker 4: we exist, on Facebook, on Twitter, fka X no other 742 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 4: way around, you know the one, and also on YouTube, 743 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 4: where you can find a new video content of fabulous 744 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 4: second addition to the George Washington Time travel series is 745 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,320 Speaker 4: out now. Check it out, share it with your friends. 746 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 4: Get Maddie's song stuck in your head, and get Ben's 747 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 4: shrieking existentially horrified George Washington haunting your dreams. 748 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,399 Speaker 2: Oh but this one, this one's all about No, you're right. 749 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 4: It is the joy of why this one is like, Oh, 750 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 4: that's what makes me smile. 751 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 3: You're right. Check it out. Just just be surprised the 752 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 3: emotional roller coaster. 753 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 4: Indeed, you can also find into the handle Conspiracy Stuff 754 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 4: show on Instagram and TikTok. 755 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,919 Speaker 2: Hey, you want to call us? Call one eight three 756 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 2: three st d wyt K. That's a W. I don't 757 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 2: know why I say it that way, guys, w Maybe 758 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 2: that's it. Maybe that's it. It's a voicemail system. When 759 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 2: you call in, you've got three minutes. Give yourself a 760 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 2: cool nickname and say whatever you'd like. Just do tell 761 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 2: us if we can use your name and message on 762 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,879 Speaker 2: the air. If you've got more to say they can 763 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 2: fit in that message. Why not instead send us a 764 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 2: good old fashioned email. 765 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 3: We are the folks who read every email we get 766 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 3: twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. Send 767 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 3: us your links, send us the photographs. Be warned sometimes 768 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 3: the void rights back conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. 769 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,840 Speaker 2: Stuff they don't want you to know is a production 770 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 771 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.