WEBVTT - Ep. 330: Killing the King’s Deer 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.319 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear. Listening past, you 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:24.080 can't predict anything presented by first, like creating proven versatile 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.840 hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outer where 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:36.000 for every hunt, first light, go farther, stay longer. Alrightybody, 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:37.520 we got a lot, We got a lot we gotta cover. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:39.960 First thing I gotta cover is the most important part. 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:42.120 I you know, I saw this morning I haven't seen forever. 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:43.879 Is I was driving my boy to school and I 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:48.879 saw a woman doing her makeup at the stoplight. Man, 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.760 But listen, I always root. That's I always root for 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.040 that woman, all right, because she's got a lot of 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:58.080 stuff she's got to do. She's like trying to get somewhere. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:00:59.800 I don't know. Like if I see a person with 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:01.920 a little white, yappy dog on their lap, I root 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:05.920 against him. It's like just rut against him. If I 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:07.960 see a woman doing her makeup at the stop I'm rude. 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.640 I'm like, yeah, isn't it the same kind of woman 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:15.240 with a little yappy dog? Woman just like I just 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.320 feel for I'm like, man's probably whatever she's got to 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:21.560 get somewhere and didn't have time living the American dream. 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:23.680 I don't know. I just was like kind of wanted 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:25.680 to give her a but that she would have taken 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:30.560 it the wrong way. If I had given her a 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.360 fist pump, she'd been like, she would have given me 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.679 the finger. Yeah, she's working on her makeup because she 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:40.800 was out training her bird dogs earlier dog I said, 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.680 a little one of those little white yappy dogs. You 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.720 missed it, count I was on the same page. I 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:51.760 think we might be anti makeup slightly. Any strong feelings 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:53.920 from makeup either way, I'm just saying I just wind 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.240 up rooting for him, like like, hey, I hope you 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.800 get there in time. You know what's fascinating about your 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.600 head to an interview out of the products industry, is 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:12.120 that sperm whale snot that they've that's the super valuable Ambergers. Yeah, really, 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:16.519 that's a thing now, always has Amberger. There's a whole 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.839 book about that, Amburgers, key and Belize. Yeah. I never 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.840 found a lot. That's where they get. Well, you find 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:24.880 a lot of it on the beach. It turns into 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:29.120 like some kind of rock after a while, big big business, 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:35.440 the stuff lamp oil right, is the base? Yeah, is 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:39.560 this stuff is is the base for all sorts of 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:43.280 perfumes and scents and stuff like that. Beaver caster goes 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:48.000 into perfumes. Yeah, we've covered that thousand times. Uh. Yeah. 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.320 The oil, the sperm whale he had, like his really 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.200 valuable oil is up in his open his knog and yeah, 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:55.639 and this stuff i'd like to get in that business man. 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:59.960 The theory is like all the capsulated like uh, squid 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.919 beaks and stuff like that that they that they can't 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:08.280 pass but can't digest either. That's what kind of forms 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:13.399 around that stuff, the ambergriss is and then eventually they 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:17.400 hawk that thing up and it's this floating matt and 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:23.120 whale sound effects. I've seen it a few times. It 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:30.239 sounds like this. That sounds accurate, Grandpa. And then the 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:33.840 sounds exactly like that. Ferments that stuff as it's floating 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:38.520 in the salt water and it's and it's the it's 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.360 got to spend some time in the sun outside of 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:45.480 the whale to really get the high quality product. But seriously, yeah, 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.280 in any kind of whale throwing up or any kind 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:52.760 of whale, it's a tooth whale because he's eating squid 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:57.320 be because eating more squid beaks. Yeah, man, that's really interesting, 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.880 super interesting. I love it. And then ladies paid to 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.360 put that on their faces. Bringing it all back to 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.040 the lady in the car. They test that in the 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.600 rabbit's eyeballs first. Well yeah, if they're out of dogs, 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:14.640 well yeah, uh, monkeys and dogs. That would have been 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.279 a being a whaler man would have been interesting business. 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.920 They take off out of the East Coast, you know 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:25.000 all those famous whaling towns. The widows walks on the rooftops, 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:30.440 drive not drive, sail. Think about this, you sailed down 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:34.279 around the tip of South America, they'd come up. They'd 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:39.279 leave in the fall, do all that whale in the 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:44.560 winter in the South Pacific, drop all the oil and 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:54.239 uh baleen in Hawaii, go whale the North Pacific, get frozen, 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:58.159 eat each other and everything, get a ride on another boat, 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.400 and you come back. He'd gone two years. Can you 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:06.720 imagine what their range Their perspective on the word comfortable. 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:12.600 Oh yeah, like when you're on some three hour flight, 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:17.640 like sky keeps putting his elbow on my arm. Rust, 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:22.080 don't go back far enough? Oh so we can stick 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.800 some make up on I you win my makeup in 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.800 the weekend, and so unforgiving that, ladies and gentlemen, this 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:33.359 is ah. So here's the thing we have for years, 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:38.440 we have for years, uh not dogged on Europe, but uh, 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:45.480 we have for years, uh taking a very naive, cynical, no, 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:50.960 what's the way to put it, shallow, ignorant, sure American, 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.640 a very American perspective on what hunting in Europe was like. 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.960 And we have just said, like the European model, right, 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.240 even though you're talking about how many countries you guys 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.200 got over there, I couldn't tell you. You don't even known. 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:07.680 But it's like it's like the States. It's like, I 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:11.159 consider States, fifty different countries. Yeah, it's just sure you 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.320 share the same language. We just don't. But but yeah, 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.760 we have fifty different sets of hunting rules. Yeah, way 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.599 different methodologies and systems, and it will be exactly the 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:23.120 same if you compared France with Denmark or Sweden or 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:24.960 you know, they're all going to have different rules and 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:28.400 REGs and different etiquettes, different ways of doing things, for sure. 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:30.560 So we have and been called out on this a 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.600 number of times for being like you guys sound like 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.440 a bunch of idiots when you talk about Europe. So 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.360 we have committed ourselves kremsment working our asshole and I'm 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.960 not gonna help on that one guy. We've committed ourselves 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.120 that we're gonna give our listeners uh an extended like 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:46.800 this is just the first installment. This is just to 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:48.800 kick things off. We're gonna start a thing called the 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.520 euro Report where we explore quickly and efficiently and give 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.240 you a crash course on hunting in European countries and 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:57.320 they'll probably take it around the world. We're gonna start 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.359 with Europe and we're just starting out robed, so we 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.400 don't need show facts out of you. We just needs 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:07.960 somebody with the accent itmac Man. Yeah, if you win, 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:10.080 then next, but find somebody else. Now I can give 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:11.880 you a flavor for sure. Yeah, that's what we're looking 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:13.840 for you just right now. Flavor. This is a little 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:19.480 style to pack. Uh. Pete, you're here right, Pete Alonzo Okay, 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.440 Uh you still play in first base, Pete, yes, okay, 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.680 first basement from the New York mets Uh is joining 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.200 us and he comes on. He's our sport he's our 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:33.280 resident sports analyst. Most recently, Pete came on to explain 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:37.320 his feelings about when Peter suggested they stopped calling the 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:42.600 bullpen the bullpen, and and Pete analyzed that for us. Yeah, 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:47.120 I mean again, that's that's that's a head scratcher of me. Okay, 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.840 now real quick, you got hit in the face real 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:53.800 bad the other day. How is that? Yeah? So uh 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.360 I've been playing well. I mean honestly, it was like 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.800 it was like a really strong cup of coffee, Like 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:04.400 I was super alert in awake right after. Um, but 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.480 it was, I mean it was. It sucks, not gonna 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:12.000 lie um on. My lip is split open and uh 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:15.280 yeah yeah it's split. No stitches, but it's kind of 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:19.400 it's healing decently. Well. Uh, it's makes it kind of 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:23.360 difficult to kiss my wife. But that's okay. But other 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.920 than that, that's that's all good. Lay off the spicy 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:31.720 foods for a while. So, pet how do you decide 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.480 how does not you but how does it bad? Or 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.800 decide whether he when he gets hit, how does he 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.319 make the call whether he's going to run out and 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.800 beat the picture or not? So I wanted I wanted 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:47.720 to so bad. Um And there's a lot of there's 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:52.760 a lot of circumstances when it comes to go out there. 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:57.440 So the next night, okay, so the next night are 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:01.520 um are shortstop got hit in the mouth. We had 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.920 two guys get hit in the mouth in two days, 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:08.400 and we and he had a couple of teeth cracked, 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.160 and and we and we cleared benches. No, no punches 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.960 were thrown. But you gotta I mean sometimes like you 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.880 have to let the other team or let the other 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:23.400 picture know that, Hey, what you like, you're throwing up. 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.439 I mean, I'm not staying it's like a deadly weapon, 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.600 but you could seriously hurt some people. Like guys are 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:33.800 throwing and if you catch someone in the wrong place 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.480 in the head, that's that's that's a broken jaw, that's 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.360 a broken nose. Like it's I'm not saying it's it's 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.040 like hockey by any means, but guys can get pretty 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.760 seriously hurt. And well, you just won over a lot 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.000 of hockey fans right there, Pete. If you've got some 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.719 bullshit that happens, you gotta you gotta stand up for 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:54.920 your teammates in yourself. And how sure, we like these 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:59.120 guys have really good aim and accuracy, so you kind 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.480 of determine it's on purpose. I mean, you can just 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:08.160 tell because no one just misses that bad. That's what 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:13.040 that was my next question. So you like he's playing 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.480 with he's like trying to spook you a little bit 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.120 and then maybe spook you a little too much. Well, 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.800 I mean, it's not more of like a spook thing. 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.880 It's more it's it's kind of like an ego gameplay 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.400 mind game thing. It's like, you're gonna back off the dish. 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.960 This is my zone, this is my plate um, and 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:33.480 and pretty much there's a lot of uh, there's a 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:35.800 lot of subtleties to the game of baseball where it's 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.720 lost it inside. He's like saying, he's pretty much telling 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.160 you it's like, listen, this is my zone. This is 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.160 my part of the dish. You are not going to 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:48.080 get your hands extended and take in and do anything. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:49.920 The worst you're gonna do if you make contact, you're 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.520 gonna break your back. Look like you idiot. So I 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.800 mean that's if a picture's thrown inside, that's that's the 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.679 what he's trying to convey to the hitter. But also 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:01.680 if you get a guy hitting people, that's just lack 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.560 of care. That's just like that, that's honestly just disrespect 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.960 not just to you as a hitter, but you're um 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.880 to the entire team, especially if you're hitting multiple guys 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.160 in multiple days. Uh. And then when this happens, this 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:16.760 isn't what we called you about, Pete, But I'm just 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:23.480 curious when that happens. Um. Uh. You probably know the 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.000 guy though, right, Like you probably like maybe not friends 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.240 with him, but you definitely know who he is. I mean, 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:31.440 people think that it's funny in sports, like people think 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.839 that like we're a bunch of strangers that like hate 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:38.200 each other off the field like it's rivalry. But in reality, 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:42.240 if if it's a highly contested game, whoever wins or loses, 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.559 that's great. But you we've played against each other pretty 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.840 much our entire lives, whether it be in high school 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:52.160 and college, in the minor leagues, and in various various 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.480 years in professional baseball and and even in the big leagues. 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.040 It's like I've gotten to know some guys I've played against. 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.520 I've become really really close as friends with certain guys 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.960 I play against and and played with, so or of 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:09.320 a community and and you would like to think that, um, 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.080 through the Through those experiences together, you just kind of 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.400 learned to appreciate what what each other does, and and 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.280 you respect each other as an opponent as opposed to 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.640 like have anything malicious or like any like fuck you 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:25.000 to it. M hmm. If you acted like the bat 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.319 slipped out of your hands and flew out there at him, 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.080 that doesn't probably go over real well doesn't. Oh No, 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:34.240 I'm I'm probably I'm probably the catchers probably getting getting 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.520 right in my face, and we're probably clear because no 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:40.240 no one throws their bat. Got it? Okay, here's what 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.160 I called. You asked about most of it. Seems like 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.880 most of our listeners are uh, they chew, they dip 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.640 and that was astonished the other day. So we like 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.000 to cover dip a little bit. It's kind of the 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.840 only area where we stray outside of our home territory. 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.120 Someone told me the other day that you guys aren't 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:59.440 allowed to dip um like you can't uh, you can't 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:04.160 pack a dip playing baseball anymore. Who the hell told 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.760 me that? Someone told me you're not supposed to be 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.480 out there spitting. So I heard that because I got 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.839 my Caren, got my kids couple bags, Big League Q 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.880 which went over real well. And someone told me that 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.080 in the major leagues now they mix there that they're 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.719 actually is. I was wondering why they still even make 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:24.440 Big League chew, and someone told me that that you 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:30.000 guys mix your dip with big league chew and chew it. Okay, okay, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:35.120 they're they're they're half right and half wrong. So there's 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:39.400 different rules in place. There's there are police um, not 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.280 just in the big leagues, but in the minor leagues 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.880 as well. In the minor leagues, if you get caught 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:48.000 with um with dip in your locker, it's it's a 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:51.319 fun You get fined, so you have to put it away. 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:56.480 But hold one second, our guests, he's from Europe, so 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.319 like he knows nothing about baseball. All, well, the hells 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:09.360 did in Europe? Dip a big thing in Europe. No, 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:14.640 never heard of it. And you guys over where you live, 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:19.560 everybody snorts it up their nose. We smoked fags cigarettes. Yeah, 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:22.560 we share the same language, we're just use in a 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:28.480 different ways different areas. Okay, Pete, sorry, But also you 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:32.080 have different types of you have different types of tobacco. 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.440 You have the dip, which is like the super fine 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.520 that you get in like a round tin can. And 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:42.920 then also you have the chew um like typical typical 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:46.360 chew It's it's like red man, it's like the whole 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:51.640 leaf um. I I used to but I quit in college. 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:53.680 What I would do, I would I would throw in 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.320 a throwing a lip or throwing a wad and and 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.920 have an extra large dunk and coffee and then knock 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:03.920 out my papers. That's what I would do. But I mean, 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.960 it's a nasty habit. I don't do it. I quit um. 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.280 I quit chewing tobacco because I've seen a ton of 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:15.200 people have a ton of different health issues. Like I 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.840 know some kids, like some kids like my age that 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.040 have had like gum grabs and stuff like that. It's 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.960 not it's not pretty stuff, very against it. But the 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.040 rules in the big leagues are a lot different than 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.680 minor league. It's a lot more strict. Like guys play 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:33.160 with like pretty much big fat rocks in their mouth, 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:37.640 like just huge wads of whatever, and then it's and 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.640 then it's it doesn't change. The only thing that you're 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:44.640 not that's different is you're not allowed to have like 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:48.040 a can or a pouch in your pocket while you're playing, 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.360 or you're not allowed to dip while you have an 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:56.200 interview going on, keeping it so they don't want the can. 0:15:56.280 --> 0:16:00.239 They don't want you play and showing that little tint 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:04.520 or the pouch. But if you mix chew, so chew 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.840 and dip are different for people who aren't necessarily experts. 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:13.520 So chew it has like this like cinnamony, like honey 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.720 type tobatt leathery flavor. So if you were to mix 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.960 that with gum, so a lot of people what they 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.920 do uh to kind of savor it and make it 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.520 last longer. And also like for people that have been 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:30.200 doing it a long time, they actually chew chew like bubblegum. 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.960 So it's some people do to hide it. They mix 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:36.440 it with bubble gum, like they makes a big wad 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.760 of chewing tobacco and then put it inside the bubble 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:41.880 gump like they wrap it in in the ball. Yeah, 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:43.240 what do you guys call that? You've got a good 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.280 name for it. People that dip to or whatever, they 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.360 always have great names for everything. I don't know. That's 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.640 just how it's like a blunt. It's like a blunt. 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.520 It's like a tobacco blunt. This is a good reminder 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.640 to everybody that there's a lot of people under the 0:16:56.720 --> 0:17:04.159 age of twenty in the Major League correct, Like not really, 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:08.399 I mean it's it's it's a okay. Do you know 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:12.480 anybody around the age of forty that's mixing bubble gum 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:17.000 with chew? Yes? Really? Yes? Man? He pizza putting gal 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.000 in his place. Yeah. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.280 be naming names or pointing fingers, but I mean there 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.720 are people that do that. If you want a big wad, 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:29.480 like if you want to have like a like pretty 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.439 much like a rock size, like a nice skipping rock size, 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.760 like water tobacco, you mix it with the gum and 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:37.600 then you chew it pretty much all game. And if 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:39.840 you're not getting any hits or if the team's not 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.359 doing well, you you get a new wad you and 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:46.240 then you start you start over, change your luck. Do 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:50.800 they use Big League Q though, I mean we are 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:59.440 Hubba Bubba team, but other teams, Pete, this is were 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:03.880 you out a game? It's actually an Honestly, I thought 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.000 I had a game today, but I'm I'm I'm here. 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.200 If you guys, I'm here too. If you got any 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:13.080 more questions, Um, if you got Also, there's this thing 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.800 that the Dominicans do. It's called pick a duro. It's 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:21.760 like they put like khalua, cinnamon, sugar, baking like baking soda, 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.399 baking powder, powder, and then rum and then what they 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:27.439 do they mix it in the tuning tobacco and then 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.880 they bare they let it marinate and it's basically like 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:36.120 a ferment where like out under the plate. No they 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:41.720 like I don't know where, but they stadiums and then 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.440 they know and then they know on that and then 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.879 that's I mean, that's honestly like like going on a 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.119 on a space shuttle, like if you were to have that. 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:56.200 I wonder if Jared Outlaw has tried that before, well 0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:01.520 pec pizza pizza. Apparently he's anti tobacco. So I was 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:05.240 hoping Jared Outlaws listening right now, he'd have to retort, 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:09.680 he'd come and tell you how healthy is I mean, 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:11.800 some people say they don't get sick from it, but 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:16.600 I mean again, like I don't know, like but it's 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.320 it's for me, it's not I'm not. I'm just I'm 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:21.959 just telling you guys, what what people do you know? 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:26.880 I mean, there's differently. It's like, that's why, that's that's 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:28.800 why we're coming for you. Man, that's like a good analyst. 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:31.080 You're not you're trying to advance the ball, dude, You're 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:34.439 not trying to push an agenda. Man, No exactly. I 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:38.680 mean I don't do it. I again, like it's it's 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.560 it's a nasty habit. And I've seen some guys like 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:45.440 have some serious, serious like health issues because of it. 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:49.120 And also like it's it's extremely sad because there's some 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:51.800 incredible grates in our in our game of baseball that 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.800 passed away from whether it be throat cancer, gum cancer, 0:19:56.400 --> 0:20:01.160 lung cancer due to chewing tobacco. So um, it's it's sad, 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:03.919 you know when you see guys like pass on like 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:07.120 in their forties and fifties from it. So it's it's upsetting. 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:11.919 But and I hope that people quit it and just 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:15.040 for the just for their family's sake. You've been, uh, 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.679 you've been getting out on the water pete fishing in 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.440 the season. No, but I had a really good, really 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.399 good time, like chasing after some red fish and and 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:26.880 some snooks. So it's really good, really really good time. 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:30.840 And also I got my Uh, my fishing trip up 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:34.399 on the t R C p H website. Anybody can 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.600 go bid on that for a trip to to go 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.399 out with me on the water. So if Steve, you 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:41.760 can bid on it, if you if you want to 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.480 come down, and that's good. But that's coming right up. 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.719 I think it's the fifth of Yeah, so you've been 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.000 a hall asks. If you're gonna bid on that, I 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:50.399 might go bid on it. Pete, I'd like to go 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:52.840 fishing with you. All right, We're gonna go, ladies and gentlemen. 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:56.800 That's America's baseball player, Pete Alonso. All right, thank you 0:20:56.840 --> 0:21:00.560 so much. We're gonna go talk to some stupid lawyer now, Pete, 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:08.399 so from sounds good? Hit one real far, Pete, you 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:21.360 got it? Alright, alright, alright folks. Now we're gonna turn 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.800 it over to a conversation with our legal analyst. Uh, 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:29.359 Dave Wilms. Dave Wilves. Uh, introduce yourself real quick and 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.120 tell people what you do now, like what you do 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.840 now for a living. But but talk about how you 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.840 haven't been disbarred or anything. I have not been disbarred. Yeah, 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:41.919 thanks Steve. Putting that that's why people to know that 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:44.879 our legal analysts like. Even though he's not being a 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:48.120 lawyer at the moment, he's a lawyer, he's a legal analyst. 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:52.600 That's once you're a lawyer, you're always a lawyer. Okay, good, 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:55.560 good good? Yeah yeah. So yeah, Now I work for 0:21:55.600 --> 0:22:01.240 the National Wildlife Federation UM, working on public land issues 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:04.760 and wildlife issues and UM, but before I was a 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:08.359 practicing attorney for more than a decade and worked in 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:12.800 wildlife law areas and represented state agencies and uh in 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:17.720 private practice as well. So, UM, is that that enough 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:19.760 background for you? Oh? No, that makes you seem like 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:21.600 extremely credential. And you've been on the show I don't 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:23.879 know how many times, so people know who you are. Uh, 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:25.760 here's what we gotta talk to Dave about. And you know, 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:28.240 I'm gonna set it up on a very I'm gonna 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:29.920 set it up very high level. And then and then 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.560 and then David Williams will get into the details. But 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:37.800 and if I if the setup is flawed, Dave just 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:40.040 go ahead and correct me on this. But everybody knows. 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:46.400 Everybody knows that, UM, a police officer, like a regular 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:51.440 police officer, can't just come snooping around your shed and 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:55.760 walking around your property. He needs to have probable cause 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:58.320 and needs to get um, you know, they want need 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:00.199 to go get a search warrant, right or the like 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:02.520 actually chasing somebody or something, but just to go do 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:05.080 a search on a hunch or whatever, they have to 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:08.040 get a search warrant to go on it. But everybody 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:10.719 also knows that you could be sitting out in a 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:15.040 deer stand on private property and a game warden can 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:17.600 decide just to have a mosey over and see what's 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:23.000 going on. They have what was open field doctrine for 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:29.880 wildlife law enforcement, but Tennessee just had the open They 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:34.879 had a court case or the open field doctrine was 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:39.240 declared unconstitutional, which would mean that a game warden to 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:44.160 go check a private property hunter would need to get 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:48.280 a search warrant, which I'm guessing and Dave and clarify, 0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:52.119 I'm guessing this would happen. This must have like huge 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:58.879 ramifications for wildlife law enforcement. Uh? Is am I overstating that? 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:01.720 Or is that correct? Well? Can I step you back 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:06.280 just a minute, because I don't actually all the way okay, perfect, 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:11.679 I don't. I don't think the case actually says um 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:16.679 that the open fields doctrine is unconstitutional. What what this 0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:20.520 case was doing was there were a couple of landowners 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:25.600 that were challenging the constitutionality of a state statute. That 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:32.440 state statute authorized UH law enforcement game wardens UH two 0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:38.040 enter property and I think the exact words are go 0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:42.399 upon any property outside of buildings, posted or otherwise in 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:48.439 performance of the executive director's duties. And so the open 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:52.000 fields doctrine, like you correctly noted, right it It is 0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:56.639 basically this concept that is built in US Supreme Court 0:24:57.080 --> 0:25:00.000 law and affirmed by a bunch of state supreme courts 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:03.600 around the country as well, says if you are outside 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:07.760 of the the main home and and uh and the 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:10.960 curtilage the area around that home where you have a 0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:16.160 reasonable expectation of privacy, that outside of there, it's it's 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:18.640 open fields. And you're not protected by the Fourth Amendment 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:26.480 against illegal search and seizure. So this state statute that said, well, 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:32.639 anywhere except buildings you can you can search. You know, 0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:37.600 it was the the idea was the plaintiffs in this case, 0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:43.159 the landowners were saying, well, that's an unconstitutional application of 0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:45.439 the open fields doctrine because there are going to be 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:51.560 some places outside of these buildings where you cannot search. Um, 0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:53.600 and so that that I mean, that was sort of 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:56.639 the premise. I don't actually think the open fields doctrine 0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:00.840 it was viewed as unconstitutional. But but what it does 0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:04.400 here in Tennessee, at least at at this level, there's 0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:07.119 still appeals that could occur, right as it appears to 0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:11.720 me anyway that you know, if you've if you've posted 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:16.159 your property and you've you've made a reasonable expectations to 0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:19.240 put people on notice that that you don't want anybody there, 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:23.240 and it's it's private property, and you're exercising that and 0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:26.199 you're using that property that yeah, you have to have 0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:28.600 permission or a warrant to enter those places. But it 0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:34.840 also UH says there are certainly places that are wild 0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:38.679 or unoccupied. Uh why I think it's wild or waste 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:41.440 lands or or there might have been some other language 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:44.760 there that the court was siding to that that fall 0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:48.160 still fall outside of the purview of the Fourth Amendment 0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:53.480 or the in this instance, the Tennessee version of the 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:57.640 Fourth Amendment against uh, the legal search and seizure. That 0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:02.879 makes sense, Yeah, but what so, but why if what 0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:06.760 makes people in Tennessee up in arms about this, you know, 0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:08.760 I mean like put yourself in the war, like put 0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:13.280 yourself in the wardens. Uh mind frame. Yeah, sure, So 0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:17.280 my I suspect right that, and this is this is 0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:20.360 a lot of Uh, I'm going to suspect I would 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:22.080 assume you know that sort of thing because I don't. 0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:24.760 I don't know specifically, I haven't talked to a specific 0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:28.800 warden here about it. But um, before this, you had 0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:31.239 a statute that said they could basically go anywhere to 0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:34.239 enforce the state game laws. And now you have a 0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:36.840 case that greatly restricts the places that they might be 0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:41.439 able to to go without a warrant um or without 0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:44.439 landowner permission to enforce those state game laws. And so 0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:47.040 I think there's um, I've seen the argument in other 0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:49.919 places that you know, Tennessee is not unique. There are 0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:57.320 other states that uh have restricted, have have more um, 0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:00.879 have more expansive views of the Fourth Amendment rights. It 0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:05.200 extends to farther to more lands than other places. Right then, 0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:07.960 So so you have the the federal government that has 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.280 that has this U. S. Supreme Court case you know, 0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:15.480 dating back to the nineteen twenties US Hester case that's 0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:18.960 set up the the open fields doctrine. But then you 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:24.000 have state constitutions that also have Fourth Amendment search and 0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:28.360 seizures and so uh, states are are able to interpret 0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:31.399 that lad you know, their own constitutions, and they can 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.720 be more restrictive than the the U. S. Constitution. And 0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:36.280 so you have a number of states that have done this. 0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:38.720 Tennessee is not unique here. But I have seen the 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:42.320 arguments pop up. There's you know, there's UH. I've seen 0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:45.720 people wardens are afraid, um. You know what what if they, 0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:49.800 for example, see an animal that's wounded and want to 0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:52.880 humanly dispatch that, do they have to first get permission? 0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:56.360 Or can they enter this open field and and dispatch 0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:59.200 a wounded animal? They might not be able to without permission, 0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.120 you know, depending on how the how this open fields 0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:05.600 doctrine has defined UM. And then also I've heard the 0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:08.719 argument of you know, wardens are charged with protecting and 0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.360 conserving a public trust resource being wildlife, and they need 0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:14.720 the ability to quickly access areas and to check hunters 0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:18.600 um and that wildlife don't respect private property boundaries, and 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:21.080 the agency has charged with managing all wildlife and needs 0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:24.880 to be able to to do that, and this would 0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:27.480 create a limitation of being able to do that. And 0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:30.040 I've also heard it could uh there's concerns that it 0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:34.360 could send incentivize bad actors, you know, meaning, uh, if 0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:38.200 if you know that a warden no longer can use 0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:41.880 what they thought the open field doctrine allowed, and it's 0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.600 now much more narrow narrowly defined, that there might be 0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:47.320 a lot of places now where uh, the risk of 0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:50.760 poaching goes up. Oh I would that would be like 0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:55.320 a huge that would have to enter people's mind. Oh yeah, Hey, Dave, 0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:57.479 this brody, I got a question for you about like 0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:00.640 how it used to be versus how it's gonna be now. 0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:04.040 Like let's say a game warden's parked on a country 0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:08.600 road and there's a dude off on and a tree stand. Um, 0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:13.080 game warden, here's a bunch of shooting, and then sees 0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:15.880 a guy dragging what appears to be a dope during 0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:24.360 buck season, Like it's private property, Like, now, can that 0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:32.080 warden go check that guy out? Yeah? Yeah, So, And 0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:34.560 let me be clear, I'm not licensed in Tennessee, so 0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:38.480 I'm not trying to interpret Tennessee law here. Uh. And 0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:40.920 this is just sort of a uh, you know, one 0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:43.520 guy's opinion of the situation. But that's the facts that 0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:46.800 you described. In a lot of places, if if you 0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:51.640 see something from a public road, there's no expectation of privacy. 0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:54.840 First of all, So you witness a crime being committed 0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:58.920 on private land from public a public road, that law 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:02.760 enforcement officer can respond to that uh, criminal activity as 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:06.280 it's occurring. You know, you're you, you see it happen, 0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:09.240 you can respond. Um. But if he just got but 0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:11.240 if he just got a call from like one of 0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:16.160 the neighbors, he couldn't just go check it out. And 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:18.000 so this is a this is where it's one of 0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:21.479 those It depends, you know, it depends on what that 0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:25.320 land is is it would it qualify as this wild 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:29.720 or waste lands under uh, under the Tennessee law, I 0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:32.480 don't know. It's so the point being, this is gonna 0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:38.320 be so circumstance specific. If this case holds, like like 0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:40.160 right now it's at a circuit courd, it can still 0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:41.680 go to an appellate court, it can still go to 0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:45.040 the state Supreme Court. If this decision holds, I think 0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:47.920 a lot of the hypotheticals are really going to be 0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:52.400 circumstanced specific. Right. So the fact so if you if 0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:54.880 you're struggling with this. How does it go on the ground? 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:58.840 Cut with it? Right? I mean we're having an adult 0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:02.280 conversation to you about these and they're so great it 0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:08.240 sounds really alien to me. The the bummer of this 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:12.840 is all these cases where where this has been challenged. Um. 0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:17.080 The examples that come forward are all examples in which 0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:20.280 criminal activity was taking place. Yes, people trying to get 0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:24.280 out of tickets they got yes, And so there's not 0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:31.600 a lot of empathy for uh, you know, being defensive 0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:36.360 of private property laws when there's a crime taking place. 0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:40.080 So I got tons and tons of emails and messages 0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:45.160 and stuff regarding this, and you know, it kind of 0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:47.760 puts you in that whole like have versus have not 0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:50.840 type of mindset like yeah, screw those guys. They're they're 0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:54.600 poaching or bating or whatever. And it's hard to see 0:32:54.680 --> 0:33:00.320 like the appropriate amount of uh, defensive private property. I 0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:07.720 guess what I'm saying. Um. You know, Montana had changed 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:12.400 its approach based off of a similar circumstances. Guy Guy 0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:15.840 poached and elk Um had it hanging up on private property. 0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:22.520 The warden went past no trustpassing signs, not specifically to 0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:28.520 investigate a crime. But I was just going to talk 0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:31.440 to the landowner and happened to notice a bull elk 0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:36.520 hanging off the meat pole. Um, so there was that 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:40.480 expectation of privacy there. There were no trustpassing signs. Guy 0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:45.160 wasn't uh technically, I think like in the act of investigating. 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:52.440 But there's the evidence right there. And the workaround from 0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:57.880 everybody who's been emailing me is like, well, can't the 0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:03.320 county judge just get better and more efficient at issuing 0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:11.319 search warrants? Is that a possibility? Dave? You know, I don't. 0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:15.520 I'm not one to to critique how judges issue search warrants. 0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:18.200 I've seen them. You know, search warrants can issue be 0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:22.560 issued pretty quickly. You do have to still have probable 0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:26.440 cause that that something occurred, and you have to be 0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:30.440 able to you. We really in this country, and I 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:34.200 think rightfully so protect personal liberties. And it's not necessarily 0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:38.080 just about private property, but it's about personal liberty and um, 0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:43.360 a right to not be subjected to an unlawful search 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:46.640 or seizure of property. I mean, it's it's a founder 0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:49.439 it's the Fourth Amendment, it's a foundational amendment. It's it's 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:54.000 in every single state constitution as well. And UM, so 0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:57.840 it's a pretty when it's a when it's something like that, 0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:01.520 it's a very high bar um you know, to to 0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:05.960 to uh to violate that. So we're not violate that, 0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:09.000 but to show that there's a state interest to um 0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:12.600 to conduct that search or seizure. So you know, I 0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:14.680 look at it a judge and and they take their 0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:17.440 responsibility so seriously and they're not going to just give 0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:19.520 a blanket warrant. There needs to be something there, so 0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:21.920 to say we need to speed up a process or something, 0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:24.160 I mean, that's I'm a little reluctant to go down 0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:28.919 that road just because you know, I think I feel 0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:32.920 pretty strongly personally about you know, some of the the 0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:36.040 personal liberties spelled out in the Constitution and doing everything 0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:38.520 we can with the judicial system to protect those, and 0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:42.920 sometimes it creates these these situations you describe where you have, um, 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:46.680 people that have probably committed a crime that wind up 0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:50.719 getting away with it because the evidence was collected in 0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:55.040 violation of their constitutional rights. And that's that's the system 0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:58.120 we operate under and I think it mostly works. UM. 0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:01.479 So yeah, yeah, you pose that question, but I would 0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:05.160 personally be yeah, I think. I think our judges do 0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:08.120 and county prosecutors do a pretty darn good job of 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:12.720 of turning around warrant requests. Um. There. But they're probably 0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:15.880 your exceptions to that where it could be improved. Um, 0:36:17.200 --> 0:36:20.719 but they're usually pretty good about it. So, Dave in 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:23.520 a in a nutshell here, you're not you don't see this, 0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:26.359 and you're not thinking, Oh, their goals, the their goals, 0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:32.440 the country. Well, I mean it's there. How bad are 0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:36.120 things in Montana since it happened, since since that case happened, 0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:40.520 and and the open fields doctrine was there are limitations 0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:44.040 put on it there? Um, I think New York has limitations. 0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:48.520 I think Mississippi might have some limitations. Uh. You know, 0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:50.080 there are half a dozen states or more that have 0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:54.040 gone a slightly different direction from the U. S. Supreme Court. 0:36:54.160 --> 0:37:00.600 They've interpreted their own state constitution differently. Uh I I haven't. 0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:04.120 I don't know. I haven't seen the substance evidence saying 0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:08.640 that this is. You know that we're seeing increases in 0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:11.800 poaching or it's making it harder for law enforcement to 0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:14.480 do their jobs. We wouldn't know, now, would we, Dave, 0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:17.600 Because they can't go look anymore right now. That that's true. 0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:21.200 There could be an illegal There could be an illegal 0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:23.320 deer hanger from every tree back there, Dave. That's the 0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:26.960 thing is too, is like game winds often like uncover 0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:30.279 a violation like on the spot. You know, it's not 0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:35.160 like something that they're they they're they would need a 0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.120 search warrant for. They need to be able to react 0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:40.120 like right then. Or they're just like out shooting the 0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:42.440 ship with people and they're like, ye, something's fishy here. 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:46.280 Well what if it is the case of something small 0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:49.719 like fish? Right? So it's like, I'm pretty sure that 0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:53.320 guy has taken more than his limit. Ye got to 0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:57.200 go get a search warrant. You finally show up, there's 0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:05.840 the scent of beer batter and fry oil. When he 0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:07.800 goes in front of the judge for his search warrant, 0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:11.000 he's like, your honor, I could smell that fry. I 0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:15.000 could smell that fish fry. I know what they're doing. Yeah, 0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:17.800 you know, there's one other thing I think it's important. 0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:23.760 They're things like migratory birds. So you know, doves, ducks, geese, 0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:26.879 you know that sort of thing. Uh. In places where 0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:30.279 there's migratory birds. The an interpretation of the of the 0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:33.480 state constitution for the open fields doctrine isn't going to 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:36.440 impact like the U S Fish and Wildlife Service enforcement 0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:42.959 officers ability to investigate offenses and and UH they would 0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:46.600 be operating under the open fields doctrine established by the 0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:53.640 United States Constitution. So now that doesn't get to your 0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:56.239 deer hanging in a tree thing, uh in in every 0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:59.960 tree example. But for things where there's some concurrent juristic 0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:04.000 action over species management, like migratory birds, which are you know, 0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:08.720 obviously uh covered by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act federal 0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:12.080 authority with this, this is where it gets confusing for me, 0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.040 and where I think it adds another layer of complexity 0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:18.320 is because now you have a state that may be 0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.880 making a different interpretation of the open fields doctrine pursue 0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:26.160 it to their state constitution than the than the US Constitution, 0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:29.640 and you have different law enforcement agencies operating under different 0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:35.239 jurisdictions that that are responding to different case law. So 0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:37.680 you could have an instance where a Tennessee game warden 0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:39.600 might not be able to walk into a field under 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:44.320 this under this do uh under this new interpretation, but 0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:48.000 a US Fish and Wildlife Service officer could still do 0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:54.040 so mm hmm potentially, which makes it confusing. Yeah, I'm 0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:56.440 like reflexibly a status quo guy when it comes to 0:39:56.480 --> 0:40:00.080 stuff like this, Like I don't you know, I've have 0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:02.279 spent my whole life under the knowledge that, like some 0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:05.120 dude from the A t F can't just show up 0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:07.040 and want to dig through your gun cabinet to make 0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:10.560 sure you haven't cut your twelve gage shotgun barrel too short, Right, 0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:14.400 You just get used to that reality. But you know, 0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:16.440 when I was growing up and we're always breaking rules 0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:19.359 all the time, Uh, we spent a lot of time 0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:22.920 on private land really hoping a game warden didn't show 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:26.880 up because we found ourselves in a compromise position, right, 0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:30.759 And I think that if from my perspective, man if 0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:33.320 I had known that that just wasn't gonna happen, I 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:36.439 just feel like things would have gone even a little 0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:38.680 more off the rails now and and and that that's 0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:41.480 the question that you kind of come down to, is 0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:45.960 we know there's not that many game wardens, we know 0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:49.200 there's a lot of big chunks private property. We know 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:52.560 there's a lot of hunters and anglers out there during 0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:54.600 the seasons. Yeah, they need to be able to be 0:40:54.680 --> 0:41:00.080 efficient with their time. And the idea is effective, like 0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:03.759 the idea of the game warden showing up is effective 0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:09.279 for people who that sort of thing. And if you 0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:14.080 remove that, what can analogy? Is it effective against the 0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:18.960 people that were breaking laws to begin with? No? But 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:20.880 you remember we were hunting. Remember we were hunting in 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.160 h South Dakota. Bell scared the ship out of me. 0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:29.440 Also Farmers Cornfield. He's like standing there, Yeah, like tapping 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:33.960 me on the shoulder. How's the hunting? And the probable 0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:36.920 cause have been nothing? Like I heard a gunshot? Right, 0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:40.040 he could have could have seen some some birds fallen 0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:41.919 out of this guy or something. Yeah, that bird looked 0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:45.120 like it fell illegally, right. Who you know what's funny 0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:49.239 about all of this is you have, uh, the case 0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:52.960 that started this all back in nineteen US Oliver Wendell Holmes, 0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:57.359 Great Oliver Wendell Holmes. Really it's yeah, who's the same 0:41:57.480 --> 0:42:00.320 judge that decided Missouri the holland the Michael Traper Treaty 0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:04.680 upholding that same say he he wrote the opinion, it's 0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:09.840 two paragraphs the entire open fields doctrine and and it 0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:12.640 was really based on prohibition I mean that case was 0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:18.080 based on you know, moonshine, moonshining trade, you know, illegally 0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:22.560 selling moonshine, and uh, everything we know about the old 0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:24.960 open fields doctrine was born out of a case that 0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:29.040 is two paragraphs long an opinion. I've never seen a U. S. 0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:33.359 Supreme Court opinion two paragraphs long, but I just find 0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:39.040 that fascinating. Maybe so, And it's been you know, but 0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:42.319 two paragraphs and and we have this this whole debate 0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:44.560 over and and all of the expansion, most of at 0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:46.600 the federal level, most of the talk about open fields 0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:51.400 doctrine and and how it's been reinterpreted and and or refined, 0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:56.440 that how it operates. It's really been around uh, illegal 0:42:56.520 --> 0:43:00.239 drug use, marijuana fields, things like it's it worked. Talking 0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:02.080 about it in this game context, and it almost feels 0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:04.880 like in some instances, because I'm just thinking about what 0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:06.799 you all were talking about there just a second ago, 0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:08.320 in some ways it feels like trying to fit a 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:12.960 square peg in around whole like where we're talking about 0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:15.800 in in our world open fields doctrine applying to a 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:18.960 public trust resource, like how do you manage something that's 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:22.839 owned by everybody but doesn't know any boundaries, and we're 0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:26.600 trying to apply the rules that were established for controlling 0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:31.680 illegal drug trade and alcohol trade during prohibition. I just 0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:35.760 find that fascinating too. We've we've worked it into that system. 0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:38.800 But the open fields doctrine wasn't born out of this 0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:41.600 idea of game warden's being able to walk into fields 0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:45.080 and check and enforced game laws. It was about stopping 0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:49.000 illegal alcohol and drug trade. M hm. Well, I think 0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:52.160 in in Tennessee, one of the cases that that they 0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:55.880 had brought up was this was years ago. Was was 0:43:56.520 --> 0:44:00.520 not fishing game related. It was a guy growing out 0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:09.200 behind his house, and uh, they tried to fight the 0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:16.000 whatever tickets and jail time or whatever that that fella 0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:18.840 received based off the open fields doctrine. It's like it 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.600 wasn't visible from an open field or you know, it 0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:24.680 was it was tucked away. I was like, I'm not 0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:28.799 a dumb guy growing weed. M it wasn't visible from 0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:35.959 the county road. M hm m hmm. I'm just gonna 0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:40.480 make noises like that. But it's like our own Maggie 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:42.880 Hudlow's writing an article on this right now too, and 0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:46.160 she and I were chatting about it yesterday and and 0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:49.240 she's like, do you think there needs to be another 0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:54.879 law that can like take the space of this if 0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:58.920 it goes away, And and it's like that idea of 0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:04.279 like the need for law is so hard to pin down. 0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:06.759 I think my gut reaction is no. I think what 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:08.480 we need is people to give a ship in the 0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:12.560 first place and buy into the North American model of 0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:16.719 wildlife management, understand what biologists are saying. Uh, and then 0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:20.080 we don't need a bunch of extra laws. Yeah. Yeah, 0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:23.320 but some people always like to be naughty. Yeah, but 0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:26.360 they're breaking laws anyway. They don't care about that. It 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:32.239 doesn't matter what the right from a European standpoint. And 0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:34.800 this is the only country we've ever been asked to 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:40.040 show a ticket, you know, yeah, never anywhere else. So 0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:44.000 something's working, guys. You know, that's pretty incredible because I've 0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:47.800 been pretty lucky. I've traveled all over the world, but Appellations. 0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:51.320 I was fishing for trout in those little mountain streams 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:54.640 and this guy just appeared. I shot myself right, and 0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:56.560 he said if you got and I said, yea, yeah, 0:45:56.719 --> 0:46:00.279 I've done everything right. And then he started feeding fish 0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:02.840 with some like fish pellets, and I thought well, no, 0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:05.359 I'm not catching anything here, and they were huge fish. 0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:09.279 And then another time I was hunting for dove that 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:12.759 wasn't so sexy because I didn't have a license. I've 0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:16.279 been out with some people so confessionally fess up. But 0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:17.560 I was with a guy and he said, oh, we'll 0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:19.759 get it sorted in the morning. We didn't, and this 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:22.719 warden came up and said, I'm really lucky I found you. 0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:25.800 It's like I cover thousands of square miles kind of 0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:30.000 thing and I've got you. And I was hammered. Yeah, no, no, 0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:32.880 he was really good. He was he saw that we 0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:35.239 were honest. He clearly didn't know who I was, but 0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:38.480 he said, no, go and get your ticket and just 0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:43.080 treat this to put it down to experience. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:48.279 because that's those would be federal right. No, they're migratory. Yeah, 0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:52.319 but I don't think they have federal damn it. They're 0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:54.600 they're migratory bird, but they do have federal over So 0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:59.480 did you chuck it up to you being a knowing European. Well, 0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:03.440 now it's with a very new knowing Americans, so that's 0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:05.120 no excuse. We can't get away with that. It was 0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:08.680 pretty entertaining trip actually, and yeah, because we sat we 0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:10.680 shot a lot of doves and we sat down and 0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:13.120 we're tucking into him with all the young kids that 0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:16.080 evening and all the all the grown ups weren't really 0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:17.759 eating them, and I thought this is a bit odd. 0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:23.399 And then they got out big fat, juicy steaks. Learned 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:26.040 a lesson here, but it was good. It's good that 0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:28.920 you know you've got a system there that actually works. 0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:33.640 All right, Daved, will let you go. Man, alright, Hey, 0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:36.440 I appreciate it. Yeah, appreciate you coming on and providing 0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:38.680 some clarity there. I like it better when you just 0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:43.759 really oversimplify things and make it seem super alarming. But 0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:48.320 that's not what I do, though, you know. I like 0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:51.920 it better when one well, you guys are the ones 0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:54.760 that are supposed I'm just supposed to provide the factual 0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:57.920 legal information, and you guys are supposed to make it hyperbolic. Right, 0:47:58.000 --> 0:47:59.239 that's the way. But that's what I was trying to do. 0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:01.200 I was trying to make a yuperboling. I got shot down. 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:03.920 You're trying to get me to make it hyperbolling. I 0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:05.400 want you back me up, man, I want to I 0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:09.319 want you to have my back on the hyperbole. All right, 0:48:09.440 --> 0:48:12.640 thanks a lot, Dave. 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I mean, I think it's I just 0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:19.879 think it's timely, and it's it's informed by so many 0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:23.560 The other thing is it's informed by so many questions 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:27.680 that come in here from parents of young kids all 0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:32.520 the time. Discussion just like all the stuff, you know, 0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:37.560 uh yeah, what happens? You know, like what are your 0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:39.719 thoughts on if you for a kid to like see 0:51:39.760 --> 0:51:41.920 an animal die when they're really young, Like, how do 0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:44.400 you handle that? What about when kids don't want to 0:51:44.440 --> 0:51:46.960 eat wild game? At what age should you let them 0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:50.320 start shooting firearms? When should they be able to shoot 0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:56.200 firearms without um parental guidance? How to get him? How 0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:58.319 to get him rigged up for fishing? Why are they 0:51:58.360 --> 0:52:00.640 such a pain and he has to go camping with? Yeah? 0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:02.879 What kind of gear to buy them? What to take 0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:05.680 them hunting for when they're, you know, first getting into it, 0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:07.560 What to fish for when they're first getting into it, 0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:11.200 when they come back without their mittens. What probably happened 0:52:11.200 --> 0:52:14.640 to their mittens. You're gonna go buy a new pair, 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:18.040 and that's what you're gonna do. Why. Oh, there, day 0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:23.000 my boy Matthew, we're checking some beaver traps and he 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:26.640 on the day we're setting walks in over the top 0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:29.400 of his rubber boots. On the day we're checking walks 0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:31.360 in over the top of his rubber boots. And I 0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:34.319 asked him, not thinking how to get an answer, why 0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:38.239 do you keep walking in over your boots? And he said, 0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:42.640 I don't like to look down. He had a good reason, 0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:46.840 meaning he's not monitoring where the water is because he 0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:50.279 doesn't He likes to apparently look more forward. Yeah, but 0:52:50.560 --> 0:52:53.719 basically you got a plan on that happening every time. 0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:58.200 The same kid also laid this on me. Uh, I 0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:00.560 was blaming something on him, and he's said, it's not 0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:05.040 my fault. I forgot, And I was like, no, forgetting 0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:08.760 counts as your fault. It's like that's bucketed under fault. 0:53:10.080 --> 0:53:14.040 You know that's not it's not like a defense. Forgetting 0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:16.000 is your fault. My kid says, it's not my fault. 0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:20.440 I got distracted. Yeah, somebod needs to make like a 0:53:20.560 --> 0:53:23.680 chart it says like fault and then it's like a 0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:29.640 family tree. But then under fault is forgot distracted. I 0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:32.719 didn't give a ship like like all the like all 0:53:32.800 --> 0:53:34.560 the reasons that you don't do what you're supposed to do. 0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:36.439 You know what I do. If I had a pile 0:53:36.480 --> 0:53:39.240 of kids that need to learn how to fish, please 0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:42.760 I had written the chapter, I'd buy that TRCP fishing 0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:46.560 trip with Pete Alonso, Like Uncle Pete's got covered. That's 0:53:46.640 --> 0:53:48.919 good idea. Put that in the book, a short book. 0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:53.760 Uh so check that out Outdoor Kids in an Inside 0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:58.960 World available everywhere. Books are sold right now, go and 0:53:59.040 --> 0:54:01.560 get it. You got kids, rub look at a look 0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:09.680 at average transition. Yeah, I've got four yeah, one four teen, 0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:12.560 three girls and a boy. Yeah one of them still 0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:15.160 live with you. Now they're all that well one yeah, 0:54:15.280 --> 0:54:18.239 the others are all doing their own thing. Now. The 0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:22.759 oldest ones was seriously into a hunting Yeah. Yeah, that's good. 0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:24.880 But she's an artist as well, so she does a 0:54:24.920 --> 0:54:27.440 lot of bronze arts. So she shoots them, eats them, 0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:30.440 and then turns them into pieces of art. That's wonderful. 0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:33.399 So again, this is a robbed gearing to talk about 0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:37.920 your business. First Spartan Precision, so I set up my 0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:41.080 backgrounds climbing. That was really my sort of big thing 0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:43.120 when I was younger, because it's very difficult to get 0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:46.839 into hunting in the UK and we can get into 0:54:46.880 --> 0:54:50.640 that later, but I set up Spartan Precision because of 0:54:50.719 --> 0:54:54.080 my climbing background. I wanted lightweight equipment that was modular 0:54:54.600 --> 0:54:57.520 because everything I carry was on my back. So if 0:54:57.560 --> 0:55:00.200 I could make a tripod or a bipod that would 0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:02.920 do other jobs as well, lightweight and make it well, 0:55:03.320 --> 0:55:05.600 it's sort of I thought it had a big advantage. 0:55:06.239 --> 0:55:10.120 And look, there was nothing genius about what we did. 0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:12.600 I was formerly in an aviation business. We bought the 0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:15.800 nose of Concorde. That kind of explains all the slick, 0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:19.920 slick engineering, the nose of the serial number six, which 0:55:20.000 --> 0:55:24.040 never actually flew. It was assimilated, it was it done 0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:26.600 twice the hours of every other Concorde because they checked 0:55:26.640 --> 0:55:29.520 it for cracks or damage. And we turned it into 0:55:29.520 --> 0:55:32.200 a piece of art which is still sitting in Oxford 0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:36.600 Aerodrome somewhere. Spanked a load of cash on it, so 0:55:36.760 --> 0:55:39.840 that was a huge waste probably, but it made me 0:55:40.000 --> 0:55:43.360 see where I could go because we set the Concorde 0:55:43.520 --> 0:55:46.640 on an Olympus engine bearing the Olympus being the engine 0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:50.120 that powered Concorde, and the guy that covered it up 0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:53.120 and used two clamshells and rare earth magnets at these 0:55:53.160 --> 0:55:56.560 tiny little fucking things, I mean dinky and they had 0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:59.319 like sixteen key or what thirty pounds of pull on them. 0:55:59.560 --> 0:56:01.000 And I said, chip Man, can you make be a 0:56:01.040 --> 0:56:03.080 bipod that sticks on my rifle with one of those? 0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:06.759 And that was the end of my genius. So I 0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:09.960 can't really take more credit than that. But dead thing though, 0:56:10.640 --> 0:56:16.440 sticks those Yeah, it's kind of amazing, Like when you 0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:19.560 hold it up there to that little socket, it's like 0:56:20.760 --> 0:56:23.600 anti my pod on my rifle. Till I started using 0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:25.480 that thing. Well, yeah, because I used to you in 0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:27.279 the old days, when you do use those out, who's 0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:31.200 the kind of they're like the first ones out and things. Yeah, 0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:33.800 you'd be going through some older children hold just like that, 0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:40.640 things like it always comes out hanging on exactly, and mentally, 0:56:40.680 --> 0:56:43.080 when you're like a jillion miles into your walk, you're 0:56:43.120 --> 0:56:44.640 kind of thinking of the things that you could just 0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:48.000 leave on the trail. Yeah. Yeah, So I used to 0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:49.840 take a lot of people hunting, and I had one 0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:51.600 of those Harry Spi pods on my rifle, but I 0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:54.000 got it's a great tool. You know, I'm not knocking it, 0:56:54.080 --> 0:56:56.680 but it's just once you set the shooting it, yeah, once, 0:56:57.200 --> 0:56:59.200 but the springs can make noise and all sorts of things. 0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:02.120 I just didn't like clutter underneath the real estate. So 0:57:02.239 --> 0:57:04.839 I took a Swedish client into shoot a Roebuck once 0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:07.879 I'd taken the leap i iPod off, and he wasn't 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:09.800 comfortable making the shot. And I'm not the type of 0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:12.640 people that the person that's pushing people to make a shot, 0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:15.200 And I said, look, if you're not comfortable, mate, skip it. 0:57:15.320 --> 0:57:19.160 Well that's not said that. What I do is I 0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:25.920 see what exactly is the problem anyway? That's that was 0:57:26.000 --> 0:57:28.440 really the birthplace. So it was it was. It was 0:57:28.520 --> 0:57:31.640 a sort of mix of climbing and hunting and all 0:57:31.680 --> 0:57:34.480 of those things, and a bit of aviations behind it. 0:57:35.080 --> 0:57:37.800 That really was the birthplace. As spartan and I gave 0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:40.840 up a very lucrative business in aviation, sort of got 0:57:40.920 --> 0:57:43.840 divorced from my dear old business partner, which was far 0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:46.360 more ugly than getting divorced from my wife, but that's 0:57:46.360 --> 0:57:48.920 another story. And then got in a little boat and 0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:52.280 started paddling hard and that was We're in our ninth 0:57:52.400 --> 0:57:55.600 year now. Yeah. Yeah, nearly sunk a few times on 0:57:55.680 --> 0:57:57.480 the way, but we just managed to keep our noses 0:57:57.520 --> 0:58:00.240 above water. And this is where it's at the eyes. 0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:02.680 You know, we're in the worst bloody country to be 0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:05.640 making shooting stuff by a country mile. You know, it's 0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:08.360 just crazy. Explain that ext We'll first tell people how 0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:13.120 to find how to find You guys are really they 0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:17.080 combine from you guys, sparting, precision equipment, sparing pursuing equipment. 0:58:17.240 --> 0:58:22.560 But I was default javel On, which is the original bipod. Yeah, 0:58:22.720 --> 0:58:24.840 and now there's a family of bipods and a family 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:27.040 of tripods, and they're all modular. It's a bit like 0:58:27.240 --> 0:58:30.080 Lego for the hunter. You know, you build what you need. 0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:33.120 We're not dictating. I mean, I'm not in love with tripods. 0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:35.000 We make tripods, but you can run them as bipod 0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:37.800 squad systems, PENT systems. I'm not saying I'm going to 0:58:37.840 --> 0:58:40.000 go to the woods with the PENT system, but I'm 0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:41.840 going to go to the woods on probably two legs 0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:44.600 and the work I would do in the UK and 0:58:44.760 --> 0:58:47.760 hunt on two legs all the time because short distances 0:58:47.800 --> 0:58:50.720 and it's quick and we're managing, dear, we're not as 0:58:50.800 --> 0:58:54.800 in standing up standing, sharing, and most of it well 0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:56.600 I'm going to be doing in the UK is going 0:58:56.640 --> 0:58:59.800 to be standing work anyway. It's woodland and we're after 0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:04.000 hello and right right, dear, really, and the whole ethos 0:59:04.040 --> 0:59:05.880 of what we're doing is to try and shoot as 0:59:05.920 --> 0:59:09.800 many as we possibly can because and we've lost the 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:12.040 rice already. I mean, there's just too many of them. 0:59:12.080 --> 0:59:16.400 He's gone crazy over there. Yeah, I'm gonna set it 0:59:16.480 --> 0:59:18.000 up like the way that annoy I'm gonna set it 0:59:18.040 --> 0:59:22.240 up in a way that annoys people with exposure to Europe. Right, 0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:27.080 it would be this. We talked about Daniel Boone all 0:59:27.080 --> 0:59:29.360 the time. Let's take Danna. We're talking about Robin Hood 0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:35.360 and Daniel Boone. Okay, Daniel Boone's ancestors came from England. 0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:41.360 They almost certainly we're not hunters. When Daniel Boone got 0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:44.600 when his family came to America, you know, they wound 0:59:44.720 --> 0:59:47.800 up in Pennsylvania and Boone started becoming a big time hunter. 0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:50.560 And what it was he could just kind of roam 0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:55.280 around willy nilly out in the woods hunting deer um. 0:59:55.960 --> 0:59:59.680 This is prior to how deer management in the US 0:59:59.840 --> 1:00:01.840 was codified into the law. But there was just this 1:00:02.000 --> 1:00:04.919 expectation that deer that were out on the open land, 1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:09.360 out on the unclaimed lands, we're free for the taking. 1:00:10.040 --> 1:00:13.040 There's no regulatory structure in place, but you could own 1:00:13.080 --> 1:00:15.840 a firearm and go out and hunt deer on open 1:00:15.920 --> 1:00:19.520 unclaimed lands on the frontier. Okay. This stood in stark 1:00:19.840 --> 1:00:23.760 composition to what many Americans referred to as the European model, 1:00:25.000 --> 1:00:31.800 in which deer are owned by the landowners the king's deer. 1:00:32.520 --> 1:00:36.840 Most of the deer are live on large private estates. 1:00:37.960 --> 1:00:42.280 The landed gentry, who controls and owns these estates, sets 1:00:42.360 --> 1:00:48.640 the agenda for deer management um. And you get into 1:00:48.640 --> 1:00:50.440 the to understand this, you get into like the myth 1:00:50.520 --> 1:00:53.480 of robin Hood right where he would go out and hunt, okay, 1:00:54.200 --> 1:00:57.160 and shoot the king's deer in order to feed the 1:00:57.280 --> 1:01:02.080 poor and his him doing the was a capital offense, 1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:05.680 meaning you used to be that you know you could. 1:01:07.120 --> 1:01:08.640 There's a rich history of stuff, and you just go 1:01:08.720 --> 1:01:10.840 look all over and find books about and stuff that 1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:14.400 the land managers used to be able to actually set 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:19.040 a type of leg hold trap meant to catch a man, okay, 1:01:19.160 --> 1:01:22.640 And you'd set these out to catch poachers. You could 1:01:23.440 --> 1:01:26.560 get the death penalty for poaching. You could have an 1:01:26.640 --> 1:01:28.920 eye gouged out, a hand cut off, or shooting the 1:01:29.040 --> 1:01:33.920 king's rabbits. Right, it was like wildlife was a was 1:01:34.000 --> 1:01:39.280 the property of the wealthy exactly right. Well, okay, then 1:01:39.880 --> 1:01:43.840 why do here's the thing, why does everybody get so piste? 1:01:44.520 --> 1:01:47.720 And it's not it's not Europeans to get pissed. It's 1:01:47.760 --> 1:01:52.120 Americans who go hunt in Europe that's spent a lot 1:01:52.160 --> 1:01:54.360 of time in Europe. They could all been out of 1:01:54.400 --> 1:01:57.000 shap and they're like, you don't know your old blip. 1:01:57.120 --> 1:02:05.920 What's the word punt bloviating? Well, it's I live on 1:02:06.000 --> 1:02:09.600 Ashdown Forest right. Ashdown Forest is the old private hunting 1:02:09.640 --> 1:02:11.840 ground of Henry the eighth, and you can still see 1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:14.600 the perimeters in places that there's a twenty seven mile 1:02:15.320 --> 1:02:18.920 walled private hunting ground with a ditch dug all the 1:02:18.960 --> 1:02:22.000 way around and a pale fence shaped in so wildlife 1:02:22.040 --> 1:02:24.320 could run in and couldn't get out. And then there's 1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:27.000 little villages around it called hatches, which are the old 1:02:27.160 --> 1:02:29.880 entrances onto the forest. And what you said is exactly right. 1:02:30.240 --> 1:02:33.480 The people that lived on those forests couldn't hunt anything. 1:02:33.520 --> 1:02:35.320 They weren't allowed to and if they got coolt it 1:02:35.440 --> 1:02:37.240 was a pretty yeah, it wasn't going to be it 1:02:37.360 --> 1:02:41.000 wasn't going to end. Well, um, we don't have public land. 1:02:41.240 --> 1:02:43.320 We have public land, but no public land that you 1:02:43.400 --> 1:02:45.560 can hunt on. So if you're little Jimmy living in 1:02:45.600 --> 1:02:48.880 the middle of London, there's no bloody chance in a 1:02:48.960 --> 1:02:51.840 million years you're going to get the opportunity to play 1:02:51.960 --> 1:02:55.120 like we do. It just doesn't happen. So what you 1:02:55.200 --> 1:02:57.880 get is you get people like me, lucky bastards. There's 1:02:57.880 --> 1:03:00.400 no landowners that won't have a dear able and then 1:03:00.520 --> 1:03:02.600 go Rob, come and help me manage the deer, or 1:03:02.680 --> 1:03:06.200 you get stinking wealthy people, big landowners that manage it. 1:03:06.360 --> 1:03:10.360 So what's happened in essence in the UK is hunting 1:03:10.480 --> 1:03:15.040 is an elitist game. You know, it's it's absolute abstract elitism. 1:03:15.360 --> 1:03:18.640 You're not going to get into it unless you're channeled 1:03:18.720 --> 1:03:21.720 through the directions I've said. The only other way is 1:03:21.800 --> 1:03:24.440 if you become a professional hunter. So we have colleges, 1:03:24.600 --> 1:03:26.520 we've got three of them in the UK where you 1:03:26.600 --> 1:03:30.120 can become a gamekeeper, deer stock or whatever, and they're 1:03:30.160 --> 1:03:33.560 pretty intense courses. And that's a formal degree, a formal degree, 1:03:33.840 --> 1:03:37.240 college trained, formal. You come out with the qualification. I 1:03:37.240 --> 1:03:39.880 wouldn't say it's like going to university, persads. You go 1:03:40.000 --> 1:03:42.320 to college and you spend three years doing it either 1:03:42.400 --> 1:03:47.520 in fisheries, deer management, bird management, whatever. So they come 1:03:47.560 --> 1:03:50.320 out pretty well qualified and they come out pretty knowledgeable 1:03:50.520 --> 1:03:54.080 in their subject matters for sure. But most people in 1:03:54.160 --> 1:03:58.760 the UK they spend thousands of hours in their back 1:03:58.800 --> 1:04:02.480 garden shoot in air guns, twelve ft pound air guns, 1:04:02.600 --> 1:04:06.200 and they don't progress beyond that. Right now, they'll spank 1:04:06.280 --> 1:04:08.360 a lot of money on these air guns because they 1:04:08.480 --> 1:04:10.720 never get the opportunity to go out and hunt. Now, 1:04:10.800 --> 1:04:12.840 these air guns there, twelve ft pound should be lucky 1:04:12.840 --> 1:04:15.560 if you killed a bloody squirrel with one. So it's 1:04:16.120 --> 1:04:19.880 you've got over here, from a European or UK perspective, 1:04:20.080 --> 1:04:24.760 a huge playground right which is absolutely awesome in every regard. 1:04:24.880 --> 1:04:26.920 I'm sure it's got its issues, I'm sure it's got 1:04:26.960 --> 1:04:31.400 its problems, but from a European perspective, it's pretty epic 1:04:31.520 --> 1:04:34.040 what you've got going on. So I want to get 1:04:34.080 --> 1:04:35.720 into I want to get into the gun law thing 1:04:35.840 --> 1:04:38.520 for for for a minute, but I want to ask 1:04:38.600 --> 1:04:45.080 no question prior to that. Another difference. And again we're 1:04:45.120 --> 1:04:47.480 talking right now, like we're talking with someone from the UK. 1:04:48.080 --> 1:04:49.680 We're talking about the UK. So this is this is 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:53.160 installment one of the euro Report. And in all honesty, 1:04:53.760 --> 1:04:57.120 the people that get riled up about our typification of 1:04:57.280 --> 1:05:02.280 Europe never cite the UK as an example of where 1:05:02.360 --> 1:05:06.040 we're wrong. They talked about other places. Yeah, but you know, 1:05:06.200 --> 1:05:09.680 begin lumping them all together now, So trying not to 1:05:09.720 --> 1:05:13.680 do that focusing on the UK. One thing, though, I 1:05:13.760 --> 1:05:17.960 could walk into a butcher shop in the UK and 1:05:18.160 --> 1:05:23.720 see ducks with shotgun pellet holes in them. Explain that. 1:05:24.040 --> 1:05:27.840 So it's the It's completely different. So in the UK 1:05:28.240 --> 1:05:31.920 you have professional hunters right managing deer, shooting a lot 1:05:32.000 --> 1:05:35.440 of deer. Right, All of that venison or whether it's 1:05:35.480 --> 1:05:37.760 birds or whatever, can go straight back into the food chain. 1:05:38.080 --> 1:05:40.240 So unlike you guys were allowed to sell it to 1:05:40.440 --> 1:05:42.840 game dealers, who then in turn will send it and 1:05:42.920 --> 1:05:45.960 sell it to restaurants, pubs, et cetera, because because the 1:05:46.040 --> 1:05:49.400 landowner owns it and the restaurant. There's a restaurant in 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:52.600 London called Rules. Look that one up. I think seventeen 1:05:52.720 --> 1:05:56.920 seventy six, oldest restaurant in London. That's it. They started 1:05:56.960 --> 1:06:02.000 it right when we started whooping you guys ass Probably well, 1:06:05.200 --> 1:06:09.480 but no game game is frequently eaten in the UK 1:06:09.880 --> 1:06:13.640 and sold is it pretty popular with I mean, Presulia 1:06:13.680 --> 1:06:17.840 has been like wild shot ducks are popular with people 1:06:17.840 --> 1:06:20.040 who would never shoot a duck. Well, the problem is 1:06:20.360 --> 1:06:22.960 we're probably twenty years ahead of the game in a 1:06:23.080 --> 1:06:25.800 bad way from where you lads are. That's what I 1:06:25.840 --> 1:06:28.040 would say. So when I was growing up, if I 1:06:28.120 --> 1:06:30.200 took a rabbit or a duck round to my neighbors, 1:06:30.720 --> 1:06:33.280 she thanks, thanks very much, I'm going to have that. 1:06:33.320 --> 1:06:34.800 If you did it now they go, well the funk 1:06:34.800 --> 1:06:37.760 are you doing? Yeah, we've gone We've lost it. And 1:06:37.960 --> 1:06:40.840 you could blame supermarkets. You could blame the British Broadcasting 1:06:40.960 --> 1:06:43.960 Corporation for that. We could talk have a whole subject 1:06:44.000 --> 1:06:49.160 matter on the BBC. But more well, it's a public corporation. 1:06:49.280 --> 1:06:52.520 We pay for it as a taxpayer. Um My father 1:06:52.640 --> 1:06:54.960 was edited to Radio Times many years ago. And BBC 1:06:55.200 --> 1:06:58.400 used to be a brilliant corporation. Now it's a tiny 1:06:58.480 --> 1:07:03.520 little minority sort of dictating rules and REGs or trying 1:07:03.640 --> 1:07:06.360 to steer us in a certain direction that I frankly 1:07:06.560 --> 1:07:12.280 really discussed me like it's over politicized. Yeah, yeah, completely biased. 1:07:12.360 --> 1:07:14.960 I mean they employ people that are openly biased. And 1:07:15.040 --> 1:07:17.240 I said, I spend my life right into them, saying 1:07:17.320 --> 1:07:19.960 I pay for this as a public corporation. Please, guys, 1:07:20.200 --> 1:07:24.240 can we have some unbiased information. It's some impartial information, 1:07:24.400 --> 1:07:27.280 and it's I'm pissing in the wind. No, no, no, 1:07:27.640 --> 1:07:29.120 you know, I'll tell you, man, I don't pay for it. 1:07:29.200 --> 1:07:30.920 But I hear those guys, and sometimes they get me 1:07:30.960 --> 1:07:34.600 a little. Yeah, I mean we get like anti hunting 1:07:35.240 --> 1:07:40.480 articles in the media and things like that. But yeah, 1:07:40.600 --> 1:07:45.600 over there, it's like the mainstream media. It's enormous and frankly, 1:07:46.520 --> 1:07:49.560 population probably don't give us screw either way, right, they 1:07:49.640 --> 1:07:53.200 just don't care. But the BBC and other entities have 1:07:53.360 --> 1:07:56.480 decided that hunting is not for us. And again, you know, 1:07:56.800 --> 1:07:59.040 I sort of get it because so many its easy 1:07:59.080 --> 1:08:00.880 to hate something you don't get a chance to play 1:08:00.920 --> 1:08:06.320 at Oh, so I've taken vegans out. I've taken vegetarians out. 1:08:06.360 --> 1:08:08.720 I love it because I like to enter into a debate. 1:08:08.800 --> 1:08:10.720 So we'll come out hunting with me for a day 1:08:11.080 --> 1:08:13.160 and then go and spend it down a fucking chicken farm, 1:08:13.200 --> 1:08:16.280 and then you tell me what's what's worse? Right now, 1:08:16.640 --> 1:08:19.840 we all know as hunters it doesn't always end well, 1:08:19.960 --> 1:08:22.160 and mistakes happen. We have to live with that. But 1:08:22.479 --> 1:08:25.280 would I rather be a fellow deer on ashdown forest 1:08:25.400 --> 1:08:28.599 or a chicken just about to be spanked out to KFC? 1:08:28.800 --> 1:08:37.960 I know what I'd rather take? What chances that? Alright? So, uh, guns, 1:08:39.040 --> 1:08:41.479 what does it take? Let's say you had Let's say 1:08:41.520 --> 1:08:46.120 here you are and somehow your neighbor says, um, here 1:08:46.160 --> 1:08:50.960 here the situation you're you're you? Yeah. Your neighbor says, oh, Rob, 1:08:51.120 --> 1:08:53.599 just so happens. I got a pretty sizeable chunkle land. 1:08:53.600 --> 1:08:55.320 If you want to go out there and shoot a 1:08:55.400 --> 1:08:58.560 few deer, have at it? Um And he says, The 1:08:58.640 --> 1:09:00.040 thing is, I don't. I don't have any guns. I 1:09:00.040 --> 1:09:01.360 don't know. You have to figure out and end out 1:09:01.720 --> 1:09:04.120 what do you do? That bit's easy, That bit probably 1:09:04.240 --> 1:09:06.280 is easier for us than it is for you. So 1:09:06.479 --> 1:09:08.599 I've got an open what you call an open license. 1:09:08.720 --> 1:09:10.519 It's easier than we go down to the we go 1:09:10.640 --> 1:09:13.680 down to the hardware store about a gun. I've got 1:09:13.720 --> 1:09:18.280 a gun. So you're telling me when I said you 1:09:18.720 --> 1:09:22.599 through you because you're thinking about you. Yeah, okay, Little Jimmy, 1:09:22.920 --> 1:09:27.840 Little Jimmy, Jimmy and London's Jimmy and London. He he 1:09:28.000 --> 1:09:33.320 winds up that his second cousins, neighbor whatever says, if 1:09:33.360 --> 1:09:35.920 little Jimmy is so interested in reading books about hunters 1:09:35.960 --> 1:09:37.599 and whatnot, he ought to come out and get a deer. 1:09:37.920 --> 1:09:40.880 So little Jimmy isn't for a tough ride, right, a 1:09:41.080 --> 1:09:43.479 long tough ride, if he really wants to do that. 1:09:43.600 --> 1:09:46.160 And let's say also that despite his name, little Jimmy 1:09:46.320 --> 1:09:49.040 is eighteen, right, and little Jimmy's eighteen. Well, now he 1:09:49.080 --> 1:09:51.639 can legally fire a full ball. I think as a kid, 1:09:51.680 --> 1:09:55.960 you're not even legally allowed to unless it's under certain protocol. Um. 1:09:56.120 --> 1:10:00.240 It's it's absolutely driven to not provide you a arm. 1:10:00.320 --> 1:10:02.640 Can you point warbo a real quick full ball, like 1:10:03.120 --> 1:10:05.880 like anything like a three o three or something, not 1:10:06.000 --> 1:10:10.000 a ring fire. There's different high powdered rifle we'd call it. 1:10:10.400 --> 1:10:13.719 But little Jimmy has got basically if he's in London, 1:10:13.880 --> 1:10:16.080 he's I'm almost certainly not going to get a fararm 1:10:16.160 --> 1:10:19.479 certificate for deer hunting anyway because the London authorities hate 1:10:19.560 --> 1:10:23.400 firearms full stop. It will be a huge challenge. He's 1:10:23.439 --> 1:10:25.559 got to have the land approval, as you say, if 1:10:25.600 --> 1:10:27.280 he's got a patch of land, then they're going to 1:10:27.320 --> 1:10:29.040 want him to go and do a level one and 1:10:29.200 --> 1:10:32.560 level two deer stalking course. That's pretty major. You know, 1:10:32.680 --> 1:10:34.960 that's probably six months of hard study to get it. 1:10:35.439 --> 1:10:38.679 That's not taking that online safety course should you shoot 1:10:38.720 --> 1:10:43.080 someone right? No, it's pretty intense. And the and the 1:10:43.200 --> 1:10:45.719 thing is getting a firearms like Look, there's seventy plus 1:10:45.800 --> 1:10:48.960 seventy million people in the UK, of which I'm gonna 1:10:49.000 --> 1:10:50.519 I might be slightly out, but so I think it's 1:10:50.560 --> 1:10:54.200 a hundred and fifty five thousand firearms license holders. Right 1:10:54.560 --> 1:10:57.599 of that hundred and fifty five thousand, I would imagine 1:10:57.800 --> 1:11:00.519 less than a third or actually out in the woods hunting. 1:11:00.720 --> 1:11:02.920 Most of them are be rain using a busy range 1:11:02.960 --> 1:11:05.400 in places like that. But you need to have a reason. 1:11:05.800 --> 1:11:07.320 You've got to have a reason. You've got to have 1:11:07.360 --> 1:11:11.439 a reason to own a firearm. It's really really challenging, 1:11:11.720 --> 1:11:13.519 you know. I to see you guys and I look 1:11:13.560 --> 1:11:15.479 at that with green eyed envy and think it's so 1:11:15.760 --> 1:11:19.080 cool what you can do over here. Right, But again 1:11:19.240 --> 1:11:22.920 I'm getting back to the fact it's why people hate hunting. 1:11:23.280 --> 1:11:26.120 We're not allowing anybody to partake in what we're doing 1:11:26.520 --> 1:11:28.800 unless you've got a spank load of cash. So they 1:11:28.880 --> 1:11:33.680 all spend thousands of quid on a air gun in 1:11:33.760 --> 1:11:36.800 their back garden plinking tin cans that would hardly kill 1:11:36.800 --> 1:11:38.720 a squirrel, and they spend a lot of money on it. 1:11:38.880 --> 1:11:42.120 There'll be hundreds of thousands of people in the UK 1:11:42.280 --> 1:11:45.320 with air guns, which in not in Scotland it's different, 1:11:45.360 --> 1:11:47.439 but in the UK you don't need a firearms license 1:11:47.680 --> 1:11:52.040 if it's under twelve foot pounds are using. Oh, there's 1:11:52.080 --> 1:11:55.599 a low, there's bs A, there's um, there's a Swedish 1:11:55.640 --> 1:11:57.759 coming that makes some pretty cool stuff. But they spend 1:11:57.800 --> 1:12:01.720 a fortune shooting games. Yeah, they have some gammos as well, 1:12:01.760 --> 1:12:03.160 but a lot of people will spend a lot of 1:12:03.200 --> 1:12:05.920 money on that because they can't get firearms license and 1:12:06.200 --> 1:12:10.400 what like have you. This is the digression, but at 1:12:10.720 --> 1:12:13.080 with the with these souped up air guns, like at 1:12:13.160 --> 1:12:16.519 fifty meters, what's a good gun. But they're not souped up. 1:12:16.600 --> 1:12:18.280 We're not allowed to have a soup. If you have 1:12:18.320 --> 1:12:19.960 a souped up air gun, then you're going to go 1:12:20.080 --> 1:12:22.760 down the firearms channel. So if your ag gun, he's 1:12:22.800 --> 1:12:25.160 over twelve foot pounds, which is going to give you, 1:12:26.120 --> 1:12:28.519 let me guess him six hundred and fifty ft per 1:12:28.600 --> 1:12:31.679 second for two two and seven fifty for one seven, 1:12:32.200 --> 1:12:35.040 you know you are running out of steam pretty goddamn quick. 1:12:35.120 --> 1:12:37.960 You're not gonna get My kid has a gamble air gun. Now, 1:12:39.080 --> 1:12:44.439 it's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I mean they're 1:12:44.560 --> 1:12:46.519 they're legal to use for a big game, and you 1:12:46.600 --> 1:12:48.680 got to get geared up to cock that thing. Man, 1:12:48.760 --> 1:12:53.280 he's got to like stand up. But I mean it's powerful. Yeah, 1:12:53.920 --> 1:12:55.840 now we don't have we do have those, but again 1:12:55.880 --> 1:12:58.280 you'll fall into the full ball firearms thing. So it's 1:12:58.720 --> 1:13:01.479 and me personally, I couldn't be asked with it, so 1:13:01.640 --> 1:13:04.760 I just moved into climbing instead, and then later got 1:13:04.800 --> 1:13:07.200 into hunting because I knew channels I could get into. 1:13:07.320 --> 1:13:10.679 So do you have the permits. Now I've got permits. Yeah, yeah, 1:13:10.720 --> 1:13:12.760 I mean I've done a lot of hunting in the UK, 1:13:13.160 --> 1:13:16.080 let's say, dear management. But that's because I knew the 1:13:16.200 --> 1:13:19.760 right people and slid under the doorway, slipped in there 1:13:19.800 --> 1:13:24.559 and never exited. So you do you have fire arms 1:13:24.680 --> 1:13:26.960 in your possession at home? Yeah? Yeah, I do. I'm 1:13:27.000 --> 1:13:30.920 allowed to. But I'm a rarity, right, I'm not talking shotguns. 1:13:31.040 --> 1:13:34.599 Shotguns completely different thing because everybody's into clay pigeon shooting, 1:13:34.680 --> 1:13:36.800 so there'll be a lot of people with shotguns, but 1:13:37.000 --> 1:13:40.479 full ball rifles go on. Then I got to remember 1:13:40.520 --> 1:13:43.320 this question when you get around. Can they shoot slugs 1:13:43.360 --> 1:13:47.960 out of the shock? No? Not anymore. We can't hunt 1:13:48.000 --> 1:13:51.960 with bose. We can't shoot slugs with a shotgun. No, no, 1:13:52.040 --> 1:13:56.000 we're not allowed hunt with bose because they're deemed inefficient. 1:13:56.320 --> 1:14:00.760 Or there's something. There's something. This is a rabbit hole 1:14:00.800 --> 1:14:02.640 that I might not be educated to answer, but I 1:14:02.720 --> 1:14:04.920 think there's something. In the eighties, there was an old law, 1:14:05.640 --> 1:14:10.600 correct me if I'm wrong with don't This was a 1:14:10.720 --> 1:14:14.760 medieval law that somebody could shoot a drunken Scotsman in 1:14:14.960 --> 1:14:17.400 Wales or something with a U bow made in the 1:14:18.040 --> 1:14:20.759 made in a certain place, and I think somebody actually 1:14:20.880 --> 1:14:23.519 tried it right, but they got him because his U 1:14:23.600 --> 1:14:27.439 bow was made in Spain. You'll have to look that up. 1:14:27.520 --> 1:14:30.040 But it's just yeah, but anyway, it was in the details. 1:14:30.320 --> 1:14:40.280 Bring let's just but it's yeah. It's both were very 1:14:40.360 --> 1:14:43.880 limited to what we have I think, and it's best. 1:14:43.960 --> 1:14:46.240 It's very good in the UK. Will defend that. When 1:14:46.280 --> 1:14:48.840 it's well run and well managed. I think it's extremely good. 1:14:49.080 --> 1:14:52.040 What's the deer hunting and how we how we go 1:14:52.120 --> 1:14:55.880 about it? My challenge, my personal challenges. So many people 1:14:55.920 --> 1:14:57.920 don't get the opportunity to do it, and I think 1:14:57.960 --> 1:15:00.800 that's pretty rare. They're even aware of the now. I 1:15:00.880 --> 1:15:04.680 don't because it's not promoted harder and we don't have 1:15:05.040 --> 1:15:09.720 a single entity that's really promoting hunting to my mind 1:15:09.800 --> 1:15:12.599 in a very good way. There's lots of different entities, 1:15:12.680 --> 1:15:15.880 all too busy taking chunks out of each other rather 1:15:16.000 --> 1:15:18.599 than thinking what's the common goal here? So I guess 1:15:18.640 --> 1:15:20.519 how often this would be a good way to kind 1:15:20.560 --> 1:15:22.960 of sum it up, would be like how often have 1:15:23.040 --> 1:15:26.120 you spoken with people who are like, oh, I wanted 1:15:26.160 --> 1:15:28.640 to get into hunting? But I couldn't figure out how 1:15:29.280 --> 1:15:31.800 that would happen quite a lot, but not as much 1:15:31.840 --> 1:15:34.080 as you de might imagine because it's so off base. 1:15:34.360 --> 1:15:37.080 It's so they don't live in Montana, they don't live 1:15:37.160 --> 1:15:38.840 in a place where there's a big land mass and 1:15:38.880 --> 1:15:42.200 they can see the opportunities, so it's not really promoted. Well. 1:15:42.640 --> 1:15:44.760 I think there would be a lot of people that 1:15:44.800 --> 1:15:47.360 would want to get into it. Certainly deer management and 1:15:47.439 --> 1:15:50.040 deer deer hunting in the UK has grown a lot 1:15:50.120 --> 1:15:52.080 in the last few years. There's a lot more people 1:15:52.120 --> 1:15:55.040 getting into it. But it needs the dollar, you know, 1:15:55.360 --> 1:15:58.439 and that's the only way. Really the history of bird 1:15:58.479 --> 1:16:02.280 shooting or there is unreal. I mean the amount of 1:16:03.200 --> 1:16:08.439 pheasants raised in the UK hundreds of thousands, hundreds of thousands, 1:16:08.479 --> 1:16:11.160 and again that's a real rich man sport, you know. 1:16:11.320 --> 1:16:14.560 That's it's yeah, and that's that's going to change. I 1:16:14.640 --> 1:16:16.800 think you'll see that die in the next ten years 1:16:17.200 --> 1:16:24.360 because because governments and controls and anti shooting, anti hunting entities, Well, 1:16:25.000 --> 1:16:27.240 bring me back in ten years. I'd be amazed if 1:16:27.280 --> 1:16:29.600 they're still doing big bird days. You get away with 1:16:29.640 --> 1:16:31.880 the walked up days, I'm sure, But they're really hitting 1:16:31.920 --> 1:16:35.320 the grouse shooters in Scotland, very driven shoots. Yeah, the 1:16:35.439 --> 1:16:38.080 driven shoots coming after him on what on what grounds? 1:16:39.800 --> 1:16:44.040 You tell me? I don't know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I 1:16:44.080 --> 1:16:47.040 mean we banned fox hunting, they still drag a skin 1:16:47.200 --> 1:16:49.640 or whatever, and thinks it's just it's just those that 1:16:49.800 --> 1:16:53.000 haven't got like to destroy what they're not able to do. 1:16:54.680 --> 1:16:57.439 Do you like anything about the UK? Well, I'm here. 1:16:57.479 --> 1:16:59.680 I've been here since the fifth of Bloody January. Does 1:17:00.040 --> 1:17:03.200 to your questions other than the shorts quick escape down 1:17:03.240 --> 1:17:07.519 to Patagonia which is like Montana fifty years ago, I'm not. 1:17:07.760 --> 1:17:09.720 I'm not a great I like people. Don't get me wrong. 1:17:09.760 --> 1:17:12.439 This is gonna sound coming coming as I got older. 1:17:12.439 --> 1:17:14.200 I just want to be with the right people, and 1:17:14.280 --> 1:17:16.439 I'm very happy on the my own skin. I think 1:17:16.479 --> 1:17:18.599 when I do spend time back in the UK, most 1:17:18.640 --> 1:17:20.040 of it's north of the border, and I spent a 1:17:20.080 --> 1:17:22.280 lot of time up in Scotland because it's just quite 1:17:22.479 --> 1:17:25.320 up there. So we answered your questions, Steve know, I'm 1:17:25.360 --> 1:17:29.120 probably not. There's better places. Yeah. Can we jump back 1:17:29.160 --> 1:17:31.960 to the meat for a second. Yeah, Am I reading 1:17:32.000 --> 1:17:34.000 this rate where it says you don't get it like 1:17:34.160 --> 1:17:36.080 you go out and shoot a deer, Yeah, you don't 1:17:36.120 --> 1:17:39.120 get to keep for yourself. So if I shoot fifty 1:17:39.160 --> 1:17:42.559 deer a year, right that that carcass is not mine. 1:17:43.040 --> 1:17:45.960 That carcass goes straight back to the estate and that 1:17:46.160 --> 1:17:48.439 meat is sold and that's how they make them. So 1:17:48.520 --> 1:17:52.040 there's no cutting off a backstrap. And I'm given a 1:17:52.120 --> 1:17:55.920 few testicles now and again. Are you serious? I'm un 1:17:56.439 --> 1:17:58.200 But they're just like if you go if you do 1:17:58.280 --> 1:18:00.040 a cold deer, I mean they got to give you 1:18:00.080 --> 1:18:02.400 want us for They will give me one if I want. 1:18:02.439 --> 1:18:04.599 If I want venison, I'm not going to starve out. 1:18:04.880 --> 1:18:09.040 But the rules are that venison goes in the larder. Right, 1:18:09.240 --> 1:18:11.400 that's done, and that's off to the off to the 1:18:11.479 --> 1:18:13.720 restaurant after the game. Does I mean we get a 1:18:13.720 --> 1:18:15.920 lot of swedes come over because the thing about the 1:18:16.040 --> 1:18:17.759 UK is you're going to shoot a lot of animals. 1:18:17.960 --> 1:18:20.280 You know, we had we had eight swedes come over 1:18:20.320 --> 1:18:22.439 a couple of years back, pre COVID, and there was 1:18:22.479 --> 1:18:24.080 four of us and I think we shot a hundred 1:18:24.080 --> 1:18:26.960 and twenty deer in two days. That's a lot of work. 1:18:27.240 --> 1:18:30.120 They're not bark side their fellow size. So they're sort 1:18:30.160 --> 1:18:33.120 of big labs kind of thing. But and that's that's 1:18:33.160 --> 1:18:35.400 worth a lot of doubt, that's worth many thousands. So 1:18:36.439 --> 1:18:38.840 and plus the crops. There's a lot of crops down 1:18:38.880 --> 1:18:40.760 in the south. And if you've got a hundred and 1:18:40.760 --> 1:18:43.400 forty deer in your crop, well it's it's gone, isn't it. Yeah. 1:18:43.800 --> 1:18:46.200 What's that word you guys used for when you got 1:18:46.280 --> 1:18:51.000 something from the diaphragm relic? Yeah, so you as the hunter, 1:18:51.080 --> 1:18:55.559 you're doing that again, completely different to what you lads 1:18:55.560 --> 1:18:58.439 to do. Right, we'll leave everything in the skin. Well, 1:18:58.479 --> 1:19:01.800 take out all the green, right, we might all the green, 1:19:01.880 --> 1:19:06.160 all the intestines, diaphragmbar. Yeah, yeah, we might leave the 1:19:06.240 --> 1:19:08.840 heart and the other organs in depending on where you are, 1:19:09.000 --> 1:19:12.160 or we'll take him out. They get hung in the skin, 1:19:12.320 --> 1:19:14.400 they get putting the chiller in the skin, and then 1:19:14.680 --> 1:19:17.679 they go off to the game dealers that way. Yeah. 1:19:18.040 --> 1:19:21.040 Can we walk back to let's say, let's say a 1:19:21.040 --> 1:19:26.080 little Jimmy who's not so little, wants to pursue obtaining 1:19:26.120 --> 1:19:29.960 a firearm, and he goes through that six month course 1:19:30.520 --> 1:19:35.799 and he's obtained the firearm. It's his second cousins, neighbor. 1:19:36.120 --> 1:19:38.040 So we know that he has a purpose and he 1:19:38.120 --> 1:19:46.160 has um what does he have to do in order 1:19:46.240 --> 1:19:52.400 to end up actually hunting arranged? So so basically he'll 1:19:52.439 --> 1:19:56.040 be apprenticed to somebody even after the deer he's done 1:19:56.040 --> 1:19:58.720 the exams and things, how does he find That's the 1:19:58.840 --> 1:20:01.839 challenge When there's only a hundred and fifty five thousand 1:20:01.920 --> 1:20:05.160 firearms license holders and probably less than a third doing it, 1:20:05.640 --> 1:20:08.720 there's an infinite number of people that are queuing up 1:20:08.840 --> 1:20:12.000 to get that opportunity that will never get that opportunity. 1:20:12.560 --> 1:20:15.240 I find that pretty sad. I remember you told me 1:20:15.360 --> 1:20:20.679 earlier though if you um so, can you are there 1:20:21.120 --> 1:20:23.920 estates where you can you know there's a whole kind 1:20:24.000 --> 1:20:27.360 of package deal of staying there and hunting, or can 1:20:27.439 --> 1:20:30.000 you can you find someone who is like a recent 1:20:30.120 --> 1:20:33.080 graduate from one of these deer management programs? Like what 1:20:33.160 --> 1:20:37.160 would this person actually do if they were just completely 1:20:37.240 --> 1:20:40.920 determined to end up a little bit of both? Right? 1:20:41.520 --> 1:20:44.600 So if you show real determination, and like when I 1:20:44.960 --> 1:20:46.639 got out of hunting for a while and got into 1:20:46.640 --> 1:20:49.120 the climbing because of that frustration, and then I managed 1:20:49.120 --> 1:20:51.800 I found a local estate Caldre Estate down the south 1:20:52.880 --> 1:20:56.840 and basically were looking for some helpers. So I would 1:20:56.880 --> 1:21:00.760 help take punters out, clients out, you know, and we 1:21:00.840 --> 1:21:03.840 would call the females right. We wouldn't shoot the bucks 1:21:03.920 --> 1:21:05.960 or anything like that. But I spent years doing that 1:21:06.120 --> 1:21:09.160 kind of things, building up. But it's it's a challenge. 1:21:09.600 --> 1:21:13.720 It's a really difficult thing to get into because there 1:21:13.840 --> 1:21:15.800 isn't any public land, so you have to either go 1:21:15.960 --> 1:21:19.840 through that first channel you said, which is incredibly expensive. 1:21:20.320 --> 1:21:23.160 I can you could arrange to go hunting tomorrow in 1:21:23.200 --> 1:21:26.479 the UK if money is not an issue. But it's 1:21:26.520 --> 1:21:28.640 the same with our fly fishing. You know, you're going 1:21:28.680 --> 1:21:30.760 to spank a lot of money and maybe it's going 1:21:30.840 --> 1:21:33.840 to cost you a thousand bucks for a day, you 1:21:33.960 --> 1:21:36.560 know that kind of figure. You could get less, but 1:21:36.760 --> 1:21:39.519 it's it's going to be that and up really, or 1:21:40.280 --> 1:21:44.240 you just scrub around, find some gamekeepers, help the gamekeepers 1:21:44.280 --> 1:21:46.040 for a year or two and then they might say, well, 1:21:46.120 --> 1:21:49.760 come and shoot a deer. That's it. And what is 1:21:49.800 --> 1:21:52.720 the what is the regulatory structure? Like forget all the 1:21:52.760 --> 1:21:56.800 stuff about getting a firearm having access, Like what's the 1:21:56.880 --> 1:22:01.400 regulatory structure? Could get give me like, give me the 1:22:02.080 --> 1:22:03.800 you guys. I know you guys don't do acreage, but 1:22:04.560 --> 1:22:08.439 expressed for me the land like a large estate or 1:22:08.439 --> 1:22:11.599 a medium estate whatever. How much ground are we talking about? 1:22:12.200 --> 1:22:14.400 So the estates don't tend to be big because there 1:22:14.439 --> 1:22:16.960 isn't a large land mass. A reasonable estate there might 1:22:17.000 --> 1:22:20.280 be three thousand acres pretty big, but I mean the 1:22:20.439 --> 1:22:22.680 one for my dear management. I might be shooting in 1:22:22.760 --> 1:22:26.120 somebody's back garden. You know, they might have a deer issue, right, 1:22:26.360 --> 1:22:28.360 and you could be looking at less than ach and 1:22:28.800 --> 1:22:31.880 Mrs miggins roses are being eaten by the by the row, 1:22:32.400 --> 1:22:34.559 so you've got to go and help Mrs Meiggins. That's 1:22:34.560 --> 1:22:37.000 where an open license comes in handy. So an open 1:22:37.080 --> 1:22:40.320 licensees you're determined whether it's safe to shoot. So unlike 1:22:40.400 --> 1:22:42.360 I think over here you you have to be so 1:22:42.520 --> 1:22:44.519 far from a building before you can take a shot. 1:22:44.560 --> 1:22:48.519 To you, No, this state does. This state doesn't have 1:22:48.640 --> 1:22:53.840 that phone, Dave, No, the state doesn't have This state 1:22:54.040 --> 1:22:57.639 doesn't have a specific distance from building. Right, But you'd 1:22:57.640 --> 1:23:01.240 get into you get into questions of like what might 1:23:01.280 --> 1:23:04.000 be like criminal negligence or something like that, But there's 1:23:04.000 --> 1:23:06.720 not like some states are very specific if you're gonna 1:23:06.720 --> 1:23:10.960 shoot within four fifty of an occupied dwelling, you have 1:23:11.080 --> 1:23:15.960 their written permission from UM, the owner of the structure, right, 1:23:16.000 --> 1:23:18.600 but this date doesn't. This state in particular doesn't have that. 1:23:19.200 --> 1:23:22.439 But there's sort of an understanding of what's okay and 1:23:22.520 --> 1:23:24.960 not okay. Got you So, So in the UK it's 1:23:25.040 --> 1:23:28.200 very different, you know, because there's such a short amount 1:23:28.240 --> 1:23:30.000 of land. You might have deer mucking around in a 1:23:30.080 --> 1:23:32.720 tiny area and you've got to manage that problem. So 1:23:33.560 --> 1:23:36.960 that's probably one thing that we can do, but it's 1:23:37.080 --> 1:23:39.599 really challenging and it's not going to get any easier. 1:23:39.760 --> 1:23:42.160 And the whole thing the reason I'm pleased to be 1:23:42.280 --> 1:23:44.479 here is you don't want to be following what's happening 1:23:44.520 --> 1:23:47.080 in the UK. It's just not sexy. I mean, we 1:23:47.120 --> 1:23:49.599 don't want to go on no, no, it's it's it's 1:23:49.680 --> 1:23:51.519 not sexy at all and it's going to get worse 1:23:51.560 --> 1:23:53.680 than I can see a day where you know, they 1:23:53.800 --> 1:23:58.400 just they'll have professional deer hunters managing deer and the 1:23:58.520 --> 1:24:00.960 public won't even be allowed to do an actual fact 1:24:01.000 --> 1:24:02.599 in Scotland, you might want to look this up here 1:24:02.600 --> 1:24:06.000 and I think somebody's just got a contract of manage 1:24:06.080 --> 1:24:09.879 fifty thousand red deer right in that in the islands. 1:24:10.160 --> 1:24:13.120 Now that's a native species. We've got six species of deer, 1:24:14.200 --> 1:24:16.840 arguably seven, but six species of deer in the UK, 1:24:17.960 --> 1:24:20.320 three of which are native or considered native, and the 1:24:20.400 --> 1:24:23.000 others are non native name the need of one. So 1:24:23.120 --> 1:24:28.080 the native ones are read um Fellow and row Fellow 1:24:28.160 --> 1:24:30.839 aren't truly native. They were bought over by the Normans 1:24:30.920 --> 1:24:32.880 or the Romans, nobody knows, but they've been long enough, 1:24:32.960 --> 1:24:36.960 so they've got the native flag now. And then the 1:24:37.040 --> 1:24:40.280 others are Asian imports. Yeah. So I want to touch 1:24:40.320 --> 1:24:43.679 on the regulatory structure real quick, and just for this case, 1:24:44.000 --> 1:24:48.479 let's go to it that there's a three thousand acre estate. Yeah, um, 1:24:51.000 --> 1:24:54.600 do they the government set down like a season in 1:24:54.720 --> 1:24:57.040 which they can be hunted, or like any kind of 1:24:57.600 --> 1:24:59.880 any kind of rules about how far they can push 1:25:00.000 --> 1:25:02.720 a call? Now there's a seat, you're right seat. There 1:25:02.760 --> 1:25:05.240 are seasons for all the species other than mount Jack, 1:25:05.560 --> 1:25:08.360 because the mount jack a non native and they're normally 1:25:08.439 --> 1:25:10.960 pregnant within three days of getting birth, so they considered 1:25:11.000 --> 1:25:13.559 a pest all the other day. I have a strict 1:25:14.160 --> 1:25:16.880 um period of time in which you're allowed to shoot them. 1:25:17.120 --> 1:25:19.479 If you have a real problem with numbers, you can 1:25:19.520 --> 1:25:22.000 get extensions to see a mund jack gets bred within 1:25:22.120 --> 1:25:24.760 three days. It's normally they're normally pregnant within three days 1:25:24.800 --> 1:25:34.240 of giving birth. Yeah, I wouldn't fly. Yeah, let's disgust, don't. 1:25:34.280 --> 1:25:37.479 I don't think you're thinking about the munt jack. Steve's 1:25:37.479 --> 1:25:42.679 good for jack. Yeah. Yeah, they are crazy little things. 1:25:42.920 --> 1:25:46.639 They're very cool, and they have a row. They bark. 1:25:46.680 --> 1:25:48.840 They call them the bark. Indeed, they said, you might 1:25:48.920 --> 1:25:50.760 think you've got a dog kicking off. They got a 1:25:50.760 --> 1:25:55.040 little little tusks things that are slightly removed about a bit, 1:25:55.120 --> 1:25:57.160 and they fight it. They're pretty aggressive, so they've got 1:25:57.360 --> 1:26:01.639 very thick fat and fur around the next We grew 1:26:01.720 --> 1:26:04.880 up just considering them absolute pest because they eat all 1:26:04.920 --> 1:26:08.400 the flora and fauna. But the continentals love coming over 1:26:08.439 --> 1:26:10.640 and hunting them. They're quite challenging to hunt because they 1:26:10.720 --> 1:26:12.760 never stopped. It was on the move, so you've got 1:26:12.840 --> 1:26:15.519 to be pretty quick on them. Taste bloody good mind 1:26:15.560 --> 1:26:22.920 you zero yeah tiny yeah yeah yeah yeah no, But 1:26:23.120 --> 1:26:24.840 I mean we've we've talked about it because it is 1:26:25.200 --> 1:26:27.719 it's an intriguing animal because it's got so much character. 1:26:28.040 --> 1:26:30.920 You know, who do you refer to as continentals? Like 1:26:31.120 --> 1:26:34.840 everybody that's not in the UK, But what would we be. 1:26:34.920 --> 1:26:39.200 We're not continentals, You're Americans. Yeah, So al right, back 1:26:39.240 --> 1:26:43.080 to this regulatory structure thing, this three thousand acre estate. Yeah, 1:26:43.120 --> 1:26:45.679 it's got all three native species. Yeah, let's just focus 1:26:45.720 --> 1:26:49.960 on the native species. So they'll say there is a season, yeah, 1:26:50.160 --> 1:26:53.200 not determined by the landowner. Now, not determined. But that's 1:26:53.240 --> 1:26:57.520 the government controlled thing. And does the government have biologists 1:26:58.160 --> 1:27:01.080 that will do a survey and say, like, you boys 1:27:01.160 --> 1:27:05.080 can shoot X dear on this property to an extent, 1:27:05.200 --> 1:27:08.160 but nothing like you guys do. Yeah, there will be 1:27:08.400 --> 1:27:12.240 some professional biologists that will enter into debates on how 1:27:12.320 --> 1:27:15.560 we manage those populations, but nothing even close to what 1:27:15.720 --> 1:27:19.320 you guys do. I've never in the UK been asked 1:27:19.360 --> 1:27:22.280 to show a firearms license. I've never run into I mean, 1:27:22.360 --> 1:27:25.800 you think of all the hunting right, it's crazy, it's 1:27:25.840 --> 1:27:28.640 crazy that how different it is. But you put a 1:27:28.720 --> 1:27:31.280 lot of money back in you've got those hunting licenses. 1:27:31.360 --> 1:27:34.240 That's tags a lot of it goes back into protecting 1:27:34.320 --> 1:27:37.519 what you've got. I think that's fantastic. With us, it's 1:27:37.560 --> 1:27:40.920 different because the private landowner can spend that money that 1:27:41.000 --> 1:27:44.320 he's made from the venison and they're selling the hunting 1:27:44.520 --> 1:27:49.360 on what everybody were likes, says Cash. What are the 1:27:49.400 --> 1:27:52.840 seasons like, yeah, we there's if you came over to 1:27:52.840 --> 1:27:55.160 the UK, there's always something you can hunt or you've 1:27:55.160 --> 1:27:56.880 got the munch out for a start. That seasons are 1:27:56.880 --> 1:27:59.320 pretty long then compared to what you guys have got 1:27:59.479 --> 1:28:01.320 like it's you know, you might have a few weeks, 1:28:01.800 --> 1:28:05.120 hours will be months. Would you be able to take 1:28:05.240 --> 1:28:07.519 us hunting here? Absolutely? If you want to have a 1:28:07.560 --> 1:28:10.720 crack at that? Yeah, are you? And the thing is 1:28:10.840 --> 1:28:12.960 I could get you. This is the crazy thing. You 1:28:13.120 --> 1:28:17.200 land at Heathrow or Gatwick, you could be hunting within 1:28:17.280 --> 1:28:19.160 an hour of getting off. You know, once you're at 1:28:19.240 --> 1:28:22.760 that airport, it's so and people that freaks people out. 1:28:22.880 --> 1:28:25.160 You know, I take people hunting on this land that 1:28:25.520 --> 1:28:28.320 you can see the middle of London and then you know, 1:28:28.479 --> 1:28:30.920 I think it's crazy, but that's what you have to 1:28:31.000 --> 1:28:33.759 do with small land masses. But yeah, yeah, it's easy. 1:28:34.040 --> 1:28:38.439 Are you required to use a suppressor? Not required, but 1:28:39.360 --> 1:28:41.920 they're easier to get than they are over here, I believe. 1:28:42.080 --> 1:28:44.360 I mean, we did it in a different channel because 1:28:44.560 --> 1:28:49.320 they're professional hunters. We're all death because we're shooting so much. Right, 1:28:49.439 --> 1:28:52.320 so you're shooting like fifty d a year, you're out 1:28:52.400 --> 1:28:54.080 there was a lot. So we got to said this, 1:28:54.280 --> 1:28:57.000 we can we please get old and here a bit. 1:28:57.479 --> 1:29:00.240 So that's how we got the moderators, the suppressors, silents 1:29:00.280 --> 1:29:03.280 or whatever you want to call them. So very rarely 1:29:03.520 --> 1:29:06.920 they're just they're they're way more popular. I can't think 1:29:07.000 --> 1:29:08.679 of a guy that I go hunting with it doesn't 1:29:08.680 --> 1:29:12.920 have a suppressor. Yeah, yeah, imagine in those like when 1:29:12.960 --> 1:29:17.800 you're shooting on small properties, were up, I don't want 1:29:17.840 --> 1:29:21.040 the neighbors here exactly, booms going on exactly. And I 1:29:21.160 --> 1:29:23.640 grew up without suppressors. We all grew up not using them. 1:29:23.680 --> 1:29:26.040 And so the guys are like the next generational for me, 1:29:26.120 --> 1:29:31.040 they'll can't fucking here. So if you were licensed, fully licensed, 1:29:31.280 --> 1:29:36.880 open firearms, licensed, UM, and you lacked a place to 1:29:36.920 --> 1:29:40.880 go hunt, you just find that online and you could pay. Yeah, 1:29:40.960 --> 1:29:43.599 you could find it online. You could pay. There's normally 1:29:43.720 --> 1:29:46.160 people when you're at that level, there's normally people with 1:29:46.320 --> 1:29:49.840 dear problems, and we're quite a rarity, so you'd normally 1:29:49.880 --> 1:29:54.040 find people that want you to help out. Um. Yeah, 1:29:54.200 --> 1:29:57.519 it's a tiny, tiny sector in a huge population that's 1:29:57.560 --> 1:30:02.320 doing it. So you'll get a call occasionally from someone 1:30:02.400 --> 1:30:05.160 who's got an attack and the rose bushes. Yeah, exactly, 1:30:05.400 --> 1:30:08.360 that's exactly. What's the steps you have to take. I 1:30:08.520 --> 1:30:11.320 just need to deem the area safe to shoot and 1:30:11.400 --> 1:30:13.759 then I can go out and manage that problem hopefully. 1:30:14.120 --> 1:30:17.679 I mean just jumping back. Ashdown Forest is a perfect example. 1:30:17.720 --> 1:30:20.960 We're talking about this private hunting estate. It's only recently 1:30:21.160 --> 1:30:24.200 they allow deer management on that forest. The way they 1:30:24.280 --> 1:30:28.759 manage deer populations on Ashdown Forest road traffic accidents, huge 1:30:28.960 --> 1:30:33.439 numbers of road traffic accidents, and because the conservators decided 1:30:33.520 --> 1:30:36.799 hunting was cruel or not right, they wouldn't allow anybody 1:30:36.920 --> 1:30:41.679 that's six thousand acres of deer just going out of control, 1:30:41.760 --> 1:30:44.320 spiraling out of control that nobody can manage. In the 1:30:44.400 --> 1:30:46.120 last few years they've changed that and I think they've 1:30:46.120 --> 1:30:49.200 got like half a dozen professional deer stalkers in deer 1:30:49.240 --> 1:30:52.560 hunters in there now. There. I could be I'm not 1:30:52.800 --> 1:30:55.240 I know the lads that do it. I'm not there 1:30:55.240 --> 1:30:58.639 because I'm never looking at home. I mean the amount 1:30:58.680 --> 1:31:01.000 of time I'm behind a trigger, he stays. So I'm 1:31:01.000 --> 1:31:04.360 almost retired from it because I'm too busy selling the 1:31:04.479 --> 1:31:16.560 virtues of spot Uh. I'm gonna go back to that 1:31:16.760 --> 1:31:20.000 that call you get from someone in that case, like 1:31:20.160 --> 1:31:23.960 someone you have a small property owner, Yeah, and they 1:31:24.040 --> 1:31:27.519 have a deer problem. Yeah. Uh, you still have to 1:31:27.560 --> 1:31:30.560 go by the seasons, like whatever the seasons are, and 1:31:30.760 --> 1:31:31.880 what do you need to do? Do you need to 1:31:32.320 --> 1:31:35.000 does a biologist or someone need to confirm that there's 1:31:35.040 --> 1:31:37.360 a problem or are you able to determine as a problem. 1:31:37.760 --> 1:31:41.200 We determine there's a problem. Right If if Mrs Meiggin's 1:31:41.600 --> 1:31:43.600 roses are being eaten and she's piste off with the 1:31:43.640 --> 1:31:45.880 deer doing it, she can phone me and say, look, Gearing, 1:31:46.160 --> 1:31:47.760 get over here and help me out with these days. 1:31:47.800 --> 1:31:49.360 Can you can you take a few out for me 1:31:49.560 --> 1:31:51.720 and then she can eat them. She can eat him. 1:31:52.240 --> 1:31:54.080 She might not want to eat him, but you can 1:31:54.120 --> 1:31:56.479 sell them. I can sell them. I can eat it myself. 1:31:56.560 --> 1:32:00.559 I can do anything I like with that. What's that stuff? Like? Uh? 1:32:01.080 --> 1:32:09.200 Ballpark street market, commercial value? While venison's expensive. You sell 1:32:09.240 --> 1:32:10.639 it on the hook and on the hoof, you sell 1:32:10.640 --> 1:32:13.120 it carcass week, carcass wait, so you'll sell it at 1:32:13.120 --> 1:32:15.479 the moment. The game dealer is almost a bit of 1:32:15.520 --> 1:32:18.479 a cartel. Sorry, guys, probably not gonna hate me for that, 1:32:18.600 --> 1:32:21.599 but I think they all know each other. They set 1:32:21.680 --> 1:32:24.599 the price at the beginning of the season, so red 1:32:24.680 --> 1:32:27.200 deer you might get, you might get a pound a pound, 1:32:27.760 --> 1:32:30.880 so that's like a dollar fifty or dollar sixty for 1:32:30.960 --> 1:32:34.639 a pound of meat for a No, that's on the hook, 1:32:34.720 --> 1:32:39.360 that's that's carcass way right. But it should. But when 1:32:39.400 --> 1:32:43.080 it gets into the if in the supermarkets and restaurants, 1:32:43.120 --> 1:32:45.960 if it's wild venison, it will be like twelve quid 1:32:46.439 --> 1:32:48.920 for a pound there. But I don't know what that means. 1:32:48.960 --> 1:32:52.479 What's twenty dollars. Let's say, let's say pound huge money. 1:32:52.560 --> 1:32:57.160 We should be like pretty comparable to cry finished finished 1:32:57.200 --> 1:32:59.880 beef perfect. Were you glad to get out of the 1:33:00.040 --> 1:33:03.479 you or not? Um? I actually voted to get out, 1:33:03.560 --> 1:33:05.840 but for a different reason for many others, and it 1:33:06.000 --> 1:33:08.559 wasn't It was basically I was just fed up. They 1:33:08.680 --> 1:33:12.360 never signed their tax returns off. They're you they've never 1:33:12.520 --> 1:33:15.439 you know, there's loads of money that's gone off into 1:33:15.479 --> 1:33:18.920 the ether, a million bottles of champagne, and we can't 1:33:18.920 --> 1:33:21.800 even manage our own government. You know. I think it's 1:33:21.840 --> 1:33:24.120 great that we're united. I just don't think we've grown 1:33:24.200 --> 1:33:29.040 up enough for it yet. Sorry guys. Yeah, my Mrs 1:33:29.160 --> 1:33:32.240 hates me because she's Maglie. She's French and she said 1:33:32.240 --> 1:33:34.439 you bustard, so she had to do a load of 1:33:34.520 --> 1:33:37.639 extra paperwork to stay in the country. So sorry Magolie 1:33:37.680 --> 1:33:40.920 about that one. That's your wife. Yeah, with those market 1:33:40.960 --> 1:33:44.120 prayers is bet you don't get invaded playerss if you're 1:33:44.160 --> 1:33:47.439 a poor shot. If you're we won't invite people that 1:33:47.479 --> 1:33:50.640 are poor shots. So so like those Scandinavians that come 1:33:50.720 --> 1:33:52.559 over and manage to deal with us, I'd say they're 1:33:52.600 --> 1:33:55.240 better shots than we are. They don't screw up. Yeah, 1:33:55.320 --> 1:33:58.040 they're very very They course they screw up, but they're 1:33:58.120 --> 1:34:00.120 on it. You know, if you say the protocol is 1:34:00.200 --> 1:34:02.680 this or it's all head shotting head shots today, lad, 1:34:02.760 --> 1:34:05.920 which is that pretty prevalent head shot? Now it's mostly 1:34:06.000 --> 1:34:09.160 head shooting, which slows your numbers down. I mean, but 1:34:09.360 --> 1:34:11.760 your your accuracy has to go up. Sore in the head, 1:34:12.600 --> 1:34:15.200 just at the back of the nut, yeah, around the neck. 1:34:15.439 --> 1:34:19.439 But I mean historically i'd comfortably shoot three or four 1:34:19.520 --> 1:34:21.880 deer in front of me. I can't do it head shooting, 1:34:22.120 --> 1:34:23.960 you know, I'll get one and I'm sort of And 1:34:24.080 --> 1:34:25.599 the other thing is I want to make sure it's 1:34:25.640 --> 1:34:27.960 down and it stays down, because I've knocked a few 1:34:28.000 --> 1:34:32.719 out in the time. Where you think it's a funny story, 1:34:32.920 --> 1:34:34.880 I mean, when I first made the bipod, I was 1:34:34.960 --> 1:34:37.360 with an old Scottish guy who was my mentor really 1:34:37.520 --> 1:34:39.799 was like a second dad to me, and I popped 1:34:39.880 --> 1:34:44.080 bipod down, shot this roebuck in the in the field. 1:34:44.280 --> 1:34:46.160 What you what noise you guys make for shooting like 1:34:46.240 --> 1:34:51.200 Latvians go? This is yeah whatever, I don't know, that's 1:34:51.200 --> 1:34:53.400 what I do. But anyway, between this, you guys, don't 1:34:53.439 --> 1:34:58.040 go back. I've shot this roebuck dropped like a soccer spud, 1:34:58.200 --> 1:35:00.960 shot the other one and then he said and get 1:35:01.000 --> 1:35:05.479 back up and just got up and run off. Yeah yeah, yeah, 1:35:05.920 --> 1:35:09.800 and stayed at Mrs Meiggins's place, probably still at Mrs 1:35:09.880 --> 1:35:14.000 Meiggins's place. Yeah. Yeah. It's a crazy difference to what 1:35:14.160 --> 1:35:17.080 you guys have got so anybody out there that thinks 1:35:17.360 --> 1:35:19.840 America isn't cool when it comes to hunting, just it 1:35:19.880 --> 1:35:21.760 could be a lot worse. That's all like that. Who 1:35:21.840 --> 1:35:24.240 thinks that? Well, I don't know, but I mean people 1:35:24.280 --> 1:35:26.920 could say if they happen to be I think it's 1:35:26.960 --> 1:35:29.599 such a great opportunity that you can get anybody to say, 1:35:29.680 --> 1:35:31.920 I can go out and I'm pointing a wonderful scene 1:35:31.960 --> 1:35:34.479 or in pictures with a rifle. To me, it is 1:35:34.520 --> 1:35:39.439 pretty epic. What's your advice to Americans? Hang on to 1:35:39.560 --> 1:35:43.760 what you've got and guard the gate. Yeah, hang on 1:35:43.840 --> 1:35:45.840 to what you've got. I mean, this is it's it's 1:35:45.960 --> 1:35:49.560 it's a fantastic thing. I think Mr Roosevelt did a 1:35:49.560 --> 1:35:52.760 good job for you lads many years back. And uh yeah, 1:35:53.200 --> 1:35:57.040 I think it's I admire admire what you have over here. 1:35:57.080 --> 1:35:59.920 I think it's I've done three public land hunts. I mean, 1:36:00.040 --> 1:36:02.360 I'd never get this in the UK. Came in and 1:36:02.560 --> 1:36:04.920 you'll what do you call it? The passport control officers? 1:36:04.960 --> 1:36:07.240 I guess the police, aren't they he said? He said, 1:36:07.439 --> 1:36:10.360 when you're coming in from another country, US customer, US 1:36:10.400 --> 1:36:12.280 custom He said, what are you here for? And I said, 1:36:12.280 --> 1:36:14.640 I'm going to come and hunt elk and I'm going 1:36:14.680 --> 1:36:17.639 to spend some money hunting. And he shook my hand 1:36:17.720 --> 1:36:19.720 and he said, good on you. I really wish that 1:36:19.760 --> 1:36:23.280 would never happen in the UK, that would nobody. What 1:36:23.400 --> 1:36:25.439 do you want about? Yeah, so I've had two of 1:36:25.479 --> 1:36:29.000 those sort of interesting discussions with the customs officers and 1:36:29.880 --> 1:36:32.479 I think it's brilliant. Can I ask you another way 1:36:32.520 --> 1:36:36.680 of subject question? Yeah? Do you? I don't think the 1:36:36.760 --> 1:36:38.360 thing when I look at you guys country, the thing 1:36:38.400 --> 1:36:41.240 that just bareffles me the moles Man, is are you 1:36:41.360 --> 1:36:45.040 into the royal family? No, you're not a member of 1:36:45.080 --> 1:36:47.839 the royal now. I'm well, we were probably blood relatives 1:36:47.880 --> 1:36:49.439 if you go back far enough. They've done a bit 1:36:49.479 --> 1:36:54.599 of shagging in their time. I'm sure I can't pay attention. 1:36:57.240 --> 1:36:59.960 I've given up just listening to news. I listened to 1:37:00.000 --> 1:37:03.160 Wow Jazira, get my facts and switch off again. And 1:37:03.600 --> 1:37:06.000 I'm really not I'm not against some I think they 1:37:06.080 --> 1:37:08.000 bring a lot of money into the system, but I 1:37:08.760 --> 1:37:11.320 think they cost money. They cost a fortune, but they 1:37:11.360 --> 1:37:13.479 also bring a lot of You guys want to come 1:37:13.520 --> 1:37:16.599 over and sit outside bucking and Palace and spank some cash. 1:37:20.840 --> 1:37:22.960 It's not like a tall moneylot. No, no, no, I 1:37:23.040 --> 1:37:25.080 think the Queen actually, I've got a lot of time. 1:37:25.520 --> 1:37:27.599 I think she's a good old bird. I think she's done. 1:37:27.840 --> 1:37:29.559 She's done her a bit. But the rest of them 1:37:29.600 --> 1:37:31.080 you don't wake up in the morning day. And to 1:37:31.120 --> 1:37:33.960 know which those guys mad who, I don't even I 1:37:34.080 --> 1:37:36.760 don't even pay any attention on. My life has been 1:37:36.840 --> 1:37:40.880 fly fishing, climbing in a big way, and hunting. When 1:37:40.880 --> 1:37:44.679 you got into climbing, were you climbing internationally? Yeah, eyesight 1:37:44.960 --> 1:37:47.200 rock climbing because I couldn't get into hunting in a 1:37:47.280 --> 1:37:49.000 way I wanted to, so it took me all over 1:37:49.080 --> 1:37:50.920 the world night. I used to climb with a guy 1:37:51.000 --> 1:37:53.680 called Simon Yates a lot. They did a film on 1:37:53.760 --> 1:37:56.240 him called Touching the Void. That is not a born film, 1:37:56.920 --> 1:38:00.280 that's a climbing film. And he's famous because he picked 1:38:00.320 --> 1:38:04.960 his mate off. But he's an interesting guy. Yeah. He 1:38:05.080 --> 1:38:09.240 took his Swiss translation, took a Swiss army knife and 1:38:09.280 --> 1:38:12.360 cut the fucking rope. Yeah, and then I didn't go 1:38:12.560 --> 1:38:14.880 and check to see if his mate was alive. And 1:38:14.960 --> 1:38:17.439 I completely with him on it. I mean, you've got 1:38:17.520 --> 1:38:20.080 to put yourself in that environment to judges. If you're 1:38:20.080 --> 1:38:22.880 sitting on the sofa judging somebody in that kind of environment, 1:38:22.920 --> 1:38:25.040 I think it's wrong. But he's a he's a pretty 1:38:25.080 --> 1:38:26.760 cool guy. So I've done a lot of climbing with 1:38:26.840 --> 1:38:32.720 him in the past, Greenland him a laya um Patagonia. Yeah, 1:38:33.000 --> 1:38:34.639 and I've done a bit in the States and such 1:38:34.720 --> 1:38:36.600 like that. I'm too old for it now. And my 1:38:36.680 --> 1:38:39.040 Missy says, stick with the fly fish in the hunting, 1:38:39.160 --> 1:38:44.320 and yeah, yeah, that's great. I've got a few years 1:38:44.400 --> 1:38:47.120 left in me. Here's the thing, dude, I'm really interested 1:38:47.120 --> 1:38:50.519 in how old people are now because if sitting where 1:38:50.560 --> 1:38:53.360 I'm at did I could have another decade and still 1:38:53.400 --> 1:38:57.560 be doing what I'm loving it. I'm loving it. And 1:38:58.240 --> 1:39:00.840 you know, I've got a wonderful team. That's Barton. There's 1:39:00.920 --> 1:39:04.160 the Queen of Spartan. She she's an Olympic clay pigeon shot, 1:39:04.800 --> 1:39:08.200 super cool. And I said, Hannah, the ship's fucking yours, right, 1:39:08.320 --> 1:39:09.800 I'm just going to want to go and play and 1:39:09.920 --> 1:39:11.840 enjoy the journey because I won't see the end game. 1:39:12.240 --> 1:39:14.720 I will be expensive to run, right, And that's what 1:39:14.800 --> 1:39:17.120 I said, And that's and they've done a brilliant job. Yeah, 1:39:17.280 --> 1:39:19.400 how many how many employees? You guys go a tiny 1:39:19.520 --> 1:39:23.439 with twelve people? Yeah, yeah, it's really small and really 1:39:23.479 --> 1:39:25.160 women the wrong country. We need to be in the 1:39:25.280 --> 1:39:28.360 USA and we'll get hard if we did a business 1:39:28.400 --> 1:39:30.599 plan about it. I soundn't too enough to tick all 1:39:30.640 --> 1:39:33.240 those boxes. Yeah, I would love a green card? Can 1:39:33.280 --> 1:39:37.160 you get me a green card? But it's just it's no, 1:39:37.560 --> 1:39:39.320 I love what you've got. I could. I could see 1:39:39.360 --> 1:39:42.080 myself settling here in a tiny little cabin on some 1:39:42.200 --> 1:39:44.760 public land. I would really be happy about that. If 1:39:44.760 --> 1:39:47.040 an American company, Bart Spartan, does that give you a 1:39:47.120 --> 1:39:49.439 green card? Oh yeah, I guess, I guess that would 1:39:49.439 --> 1:39:51.760 be part of the part of the part of the 1:39:51.840 --> 1:39:59.040 deal making process. Yeah. No, it's it's good fun. Yeah, 1:39:59.120 --> 1:40:01.080 you got to shoot some You need to get to 1:40:01.160 --> 1:40:05.040 Ireland as well. I know. I know Cally's drive around 1:40:05.080 --> 1:40:07.560 the book about Ireland. He's he's Irish, Yeah, I know that. 1:40:07.680 --> 1:40:09.320 And then he's got We've got a really good NTE 1:40:09.360 --> 1:40:12.720 over there that's probably in on that Willow Mara. Yeah. Uh, 1:40:12.840 --> 1:40:15.160 And I've spoke It's been a while since I've spoken 1:40:15.240 --> 1:40:18.400 with him, but he's got a sweet said, he manages 1:40:18.520 --> 1:40:21.040 some some hunting ground over there, and then he also 1:40:21.320 --> 1:40:25.960 hunts grouse on the on the cliffs above the sea, 1:40:27.479 --> 1:40:34.080 not close over. No, he's a super cool. They're south 1:40:34.160 --> 1:40:36.720 to me. People got and chuck themselves off from all 1:40:36.760 --> 1:40:41.240 the time. Did you ever read that there's a great 1:40:41.400 --> 1:40:44.760 essay called Legends of the Fall and it's a it's 1:40:44.800 --> 1:40:49.120 a it's a long piece of reporting about people who've 1:40:49.600 --> 1:40:51.960 jumped off the cliffs to commit suicide, but it gets 1:40:52.000 --> 1:40:54.559 into this guy you probably heard the story jumps off 1:40:54.600 --> 1:40:57.639 and lands on a ledge and then what he went 1:40:57.720 --> 1:41:01.439 through to stay alive and survive and survived. Yeah, once 1:41:01.520 --> 1:41:05.919 he hit that led, she was like, change my mind sometimes, 1:41:06.920 --> 1:41:09.880 like Jimmy Stewart right, and uh, it's a wonderful life. 1:41:09.960 --> 1:41:13.640 But without the angel letting him see that town, you know, 1:41:14.520 --> 1:41:18.960 Mr Potter, And yeah, we gotta jump back to this 1:41:19.240 --> 1:41:24.040 guard the gate thing. I would bet that you're going 1:41:24.080 --> 1:41:26.920 to find yourself in a situation where there's a hundred 1:41:26.960 --> 1:41:32.000 and fifty thousand people amongst seventy million with firearms licenses. 1:41:32.360 --> 1:41:36.439 If all you worry about is guarding the gate, I understand. 1:41:36.920 --> 1:41:41.240 I think it is just going to be increasingly so 1:41:41.520 --> 1:41:46.400 defensive and minoritized to think in the way of just 1:41:46.520 --> 1:41:50.760 guard what we have. On proactivity you're talking about here 1:41:52.200 --> 1:41:59.080 absolutely due the language like literally losing their rights every 1:41:59.439 --> 1:42:03.679 day in there's all kinds of examples of hunting in America, 1:42:03.840 --> 1:42:09.240 like leaning towards the European model, like absolutely absolutely. But 1:42:09.439 --> 1:42:12.160 what I'm saying is is if all we care abridge 1:42:14.320 --> 1:42:20.840 the British is this idea of um, fuck you defend 1:42:20.920 --> 1:42:25.920 what we have and like this this the picture that 1:42:26.000 --> 1:42:29.280 it pays for me is like nobody ever won anything 1:42:29.439 --> 1:42:34.720 by being behind the gate. I'm using three. I mean 1:42:34.880 --> 1:42:38.760 by guarding the gate, well, guarding the gate. Then my 1:42:38.960 --> 1:42:41.559 meaning to that is open the doors, guys, and let 1:42:41.640 --> 1:42:45.400 everybody have an opportunity to hunt right, make it popular. 1:42:45.479 --> 1:42:48.760 Do what you're doing right, promote it. People watch your 1:42:48.840 --> 1:42:52.599 program in the UK that aren't hunters right and they 1:42:52.680 --> 1:42:55.040 love it and they're going, oh, I'd like to have 1:42:55.080 --> 1:42:58.400 a crack at that. So do what protectionism is what 1:42:58.520 --> 1:43:00.960 we're doing in the UK. It's not it doesn't work. 1:43:01.160 --> 1:43:03.600 I'm here to prove that. But opening the doorway and 1:43:03.680 --> 1:43:08.719 say anybody Mrs Niggins, little Jimmy can go hunting. That's brilliant. 1:43:08.920 --> 1:43:11.960 Keep it up. Well yeah, and Mrs Niggins is they're 1:43:11.960 --> 1:43:15.400 going to be a proponent of the situation if you're 1:43:15.439 --> 1:43:18.519 out there being proactive and handle it. Well, take the 1:43:18.640 --> 1:43:22.120 Danish it So in Denmark there's been a guy I know, 1:43:22.360 --> 1:43:25.280 he said ten years ago, if he went into Copenhagen 1:43:25.760 --> 1:43:28.000 with a camo jacket on, it have almost got spat on. 1:43:28.680 --> 1:43:31.000 Now he goes into Denmark, it'll get five or six 1:43:31.080 --> 1:43:32.960 people wanting to buy him a beer. And a beer 1:43:33.000 --> 1:43:36.160 in Denmark is a lot of money guys, and half 1:43:36.200 --> 1:43:37.800 of them will want to come and learn how to hunt. 1:43:37.840 --> 1:43:40.679 And it's he's a hunter. Well he do this show 1:43:40.720 --> 1:43:42.920 about Denmark. Yeah, yeah, I could link you in with him, 1:43:43.160 --> 1:43:48.519 and he's he's it's women that want to eat good food. 1:43:48.720 --> 1:43:50.880 They don't want hormone and jet they don't want people 1:43:50.920 --> 1:43:54.560 are fed up with eating craps. So suddenly venison or 1:43:54.640 --> 1:43:59.320 wild game is becoming hugely Yeah, and and the UK lesser. So, 1:43:59.560 --> 1:44:01.439 but there are more or more women getting in hunting 1:44:01.479 --> 1:44:04.559 in the you guy as well. You know, I'm sort 1:44:04.560 --> 1:44:08.240 of a Danish film expert. Sorry, I'm a Danish film expert. 1:44:09.520 --> 1:44:15.720 Big Mad's Michelson fan like Fit Push three was that 1:44:15.840 --> 1:44:17.800 one he did Surviving in the Arctic. That was a 1:44:17.880 --> 1:44:21.640 good movie, just like last couple of years he was 1:44:21.680 --> 1:44:25.479 in the the new one where they stay drunk all 1:44:25.520 --> 1:44:31.000 the time. Another round, another round, that's yeah, yeah, no, man, 1:44:31.600 --> 1:44:33.639 I thought about quitting my job and going to get 1:44:33.680 --> 1:44:36.479 like a PhD in Danish cinema. There's another one he's 1:44:36.520 --> 1:44:38.519 in where there's like no words and he just walks 1:44:38.600 --> 1:44:44.680 around killing people with an axe. Valhalla rising. Man, if 1:44:44.720 --> 1:44:46.360 I had to if you came to me right now, 1:44:46.640 --> 1:44:48.320 and if like God came to me right now with 1:44:48.400 --> 1:44:53.040 a gun and he's like, you gotta pick American films 1:44:53.240 --> 1:44:56.760 or Danish films, like without without a doubt, I would 1:44:56.840 --> 1:45:00.600 pick Danish films, not a doubt. Only disagree with what 1:45:00.640 --> 1:45:02.479 you're saying. I would like to hear why. It never 1:45:02.560 --> 1:45:09.439 said why because every year, Uh, people lose is a 1:45:09.479 --> 1:45:14.240 traditional why. But go ahead. In America, in this fifty states, 1:45:14.640 --> 1:45:19.599 every year there is a reduction in people's hunting rights 1:45:19.920 --> 1:45:23.600 in this country. Uh you just we just saw it 1:45:23.760 --> 1:45:29.280 right now. The most recent glaring example is Washington losing 1:45:29.400 --> 1:45:32.639 their rights to hunt bears in the spring. Okay, Prior 1:45:32.720 --> 1:45:35.759 to that, they lost their rights to hunt mountain lions 1:45:35.960 --> 1:45:40.400 with dogs, They lost their trapping privileges. Okay, you see 1:45:40.400 --> 1:45:44.320 it everywhere all the time, Arizona. They will not stop 1:45:44.520 --> 1:45:47.559 every couple of years. There's another thing to ban cat hunting, 1:45:48.240 --> 1:45:54.160 main banning certain bear hunting practice. So I feel that 1:45:54.360 --> 1:46:00.719 it is essential to fight for maintaining traditional use practices 1:46:00.800 --> 1:46:03.200 around hunting and fishing. A way to say that in 1:46:03.320 --> 1:46:05.599 shorthand would be, and I didn't come up with the term, 1:46:05.640 --> 1:46:07.680 I don't know who did, would be that it is 1:46:07.840 --> 1:46:10.760 necessary to guard the gate. Now that doesn't mean that 1:46:10.880 --> 1:46:12.679 that's the only thing one should do with their time. 1:46:14.120 --> 1:46:16.439 You should be doing a half dozen different things. I 1:46:16.479 --> 1:46:18.519 would say, you should be guarding the gate and guarding 1:46:18.560 --> 1:46:21.080 the habitat. I get where cows coming from, because I 1:46:21.080 --> 1:46:22.479 think it comes back to kind of what we talked 1:46:22.479 --> 1:46:24.720 about with nu Gent, with Whackham and Stackham. It's just 1:46:24.840 --> 1:46:28.000 it's it's I know, but I'm saying it's language that 1:46:28.160 --> 1:46:32.000 sounds maybe more aggressive and than than what is like 1:46:32.479 --> 1:46:35.640 what the main intent is. I guess like guarding the 1:46:35.720 --> 1:46:38.639 gate sounds like fuck you, you're not getting in. We're 1:46:38.680 --> 1:46:40.760 going to fight for what we've always had, which I 1:46:40.840 --> 1:46:45.400 think is definitely necessary. The semantics thing, yeah, I wasn't 1:46:45.400 --> 1:46:49.800 attacking the semantics. Okay, I have a question, like, so 1:46:50.120 --> 1:46:53.400 does anybody around this table taken somebody hunting that is 1:46:53.439 --> 1:46:56.240 at a shitty time They might be emotionally, but I 1:46:56.360 --> 1:47:05.040 have I want to tell you something I have. I 1:47:05.080 --> 1:47:08.080 have taken plenty of people hunting who didn't go hunting. Again, yeah, 1:47:08.600 --> 1:47:13.639 I have never ever taken someone hunting who I wish 1:47:13.880 --> 1:47:18.360 they hadn't gone. Ever. So we took a vegetarian that 1:47:18.560 --> 1:47:21.680 was on our boat cooking for us in Greenland, who 1:47:22.160 --> 1:47:24.439 was a journalist and very up, but she was a vegan. 1:47:24.520 --> 1:47:26.960 Then became now she's back to meet and she'd never 1:47:27.040 --> 1:47:29.960 been hunting, and I said, come with us. So she didn't, 1:47:29.960 --> 1:47:32.120 and she had an epic time. And I love taking 1:47:32.200 --> 1:47:35.439 people out and it really enriches and doesn't it, you 1:47:35.520 --> 1:47:38.799 know it really? And I think we've got nothing to hide, 1:47:39.560 --> 1:47:42.360 and we've got everything to promote, and if it's all 1:47:42.439 --> 1:47:47.200 done right, fucking brilliant, bring it on. Just that's gate keeping, 1:47:47.280 --> 1:47:50.000 I get it. I think if you yourself down to 1:47:50.640 --> 1:47:53.040 know but nothing to hide, and just say open the 1:47:53.080 --> 1:47:55.760 doors and that's what you guys. From my perspective, I 1:47:55.840 --> 1:47:57.640 don't know all the rules and REGs over here. Far 1:47:57.760 --> 1:48:00.040 from it. I'm no expert. But that's what you do 1:48:00.160 --> 1:48:04.599 so wonderfully. Well, just keep on promoting it. COVID kids 1:48:04.720 --> 1:48:07.920 locked away for two fucking years. You know what damage 1:48:07.920 --> 1:48:09.680 has that done? Get them out, get him with the 1:48:09.800 --> 1:48:13.080 rifles going on at Turkey. I think it's brilliant because 1:48:13.120 --> 1:48:16.799 that's what we cannot do without jumping through huge numbers 1:48:16.840 --> 1:48:20.559 of hoops. And as I say, twenty years time, if 1:48:20.600 --> 1:48:22.920 you don't promote it, well, you could be in the 1:48:23.040 --> 1:48:26.000 same place we are, which is pretty guarding the gate. 1:48:26.160 --> 1:48:31.240 Thing Like like when I look at my son just 1:48:31.400 --> 1:48:34.719 started hunting, you know, he's ten. When I looked thirty 1:48:34.800 --> 1:48:39.080 years out, I could easily see they're being way less 1:48:39.120 --> 1:48:42.120 opportunities for him to hunt. If we don't guard the gate. 1:48:42.400 --> 1:48:46.479 I had a person he was the gate is not enough. Listen, 1:48:48.000 --> 1:48:51.519 if if I said it's very important that I protect 1:48:51.600 --> 1:48:54.479 my kids from being abducted, you'd be like, that is 1:48:54.600 --> 1:48:59.840 not parenting. That's only part of parenting, like correct um 1:49:00.880 --> 1:49:02.880 talking about among all the other things I do as 1:49:02.880 --> 1:49:04.920 a parent, I try to prevent them from being Let's 1:49:04.920 --> 1:49:12.360 talk about Washington's uh failure to maintain spring bear hunting. Okay, 1:49:12.880 --> 1:49:15.760 so if you waved the PAM and said, oh, okay, 1:49:15.800 --> 1:49:18.360 we got spring bear hunting, is that going to somehow 1:49:18.479 --> 1:49:23.160 prevent the attack on spring bear hunting next year? No? No, 1:49:23.320 --> 1:49:25.680 you gotta win it every time. It's not winning it 1:49:25.760 --> 1:49:29.320 every time, Like, that's not going to help, you know what, Colorado. 1:49:29.360 --> 1:49:31.360 What we want to do is be proactive enough to 1:49:31.400 --> 1:49:33.479 where these people go, oh, holy sh it, there's no 1:49:33.640 --> 1:49:39.160 point in attacking spring bear hunting. But I think guarding 1:49:39.240 --> 1:49:41.880 the gate and saying, God, we just gotta hold onto 1:49:41.920 --> 1:49:45.559 what's ours is just not is just a short sighted, 1:49:45.680 --> 1:49:49.040 too easy way of of saying this. It does not 1:49:49.160 --> 1:49:53.880 because because the motivate the battle is shortsighted, the battle isn't. 1:49:53.920 --> 1:49:56.720 It's not a long game anymore. It's like it's a 1:49:56.840 --> 1:49:59.519 very short game. They just lost it right now. It's 1:49:59.520 --> 1:50:02.080 a very our game. There's not time right now to 1:50:02.200 --> 1:50:05.400 go change the global perspective of hunting in order to 1:50:05.479 --> 1:50:09.559 save You're not gonna like rosy up hunting. When people 1:50:09.600 --> 1:50:11.920 in my battle, the people in Seattle are, they're gonna 1:50:11.920 --> 1:50:13.960 be like, oh, I feel kind of bad about this something. 1:50:15.400 --> 1:50:19.320 Look at the amount of anti hunting legislation proposed every year, 1:50:19.920 --> 1:50:23.120 and then look at the amount of pro hunting legislation 1:50:23.240 --> 1:50:25.720 proposed every year. And I think that is going to 1:50:25.800 --> 1:50:28.559 be a very important metric to what I'm talking about. 1:50:29.200 --> 1:50:32.639 Sitting back and letting other people dictate how we think 1:50:32.840 --> 1:50:35.880 and move because it's we don't have any time. We 1:50:36.000 --> 1:50:39.760 got to be protective, protective, protective. Right now, I don't 1:50:39.760 --> 1:50:41.599 have any time. We're gonna let all these other people 1:50:41.760 --> 1:50:45.439 dictate how we think about our hunting and fishing because 1:50:45.479 --> 1:50:48.320 we're on the defense all the time. Is not going 1:50:48.479 --> 1:50:52.400 to win cal question Chinese, they've played the really really 1:50:52.560 --> 1:50:57.040 long long game question. Well, my daddy's telling me his 1:50:57.160 --> 1:50:59.720 favorite Chinese proverb, you have to tell me if this 1:50:59.840 --> 1:51:02.920 if us right or wrong? Many hands from an oil 1:51:03.000 --> 1:51:11.840 Italian man, Many hands make light work questions. I've heard that, 1:51:13.720 --> 1:51:16.559 did you hear from you Chinese relatives? Americans? Rob's got 1:51:16.640 --> 1:51:19.600 a question? Robs got a question. So, just from my 1:51:19.840 --> 1:51:25.360 from the bridge perspective, why have they banned the bear hunting? Uh? 1:51:26.280 --> 1:51:30.559 Basically the argument was, we don't know enough about bears. 1:51:32.120 --> 1:51:36.960 The population studies aren't complete, and that was how the 1:51:37.120 --> 1:51:41.280 Washington Game Commission kind of like came to a null 1:51:41.960 --> 1:51:46.040 vote on the bear issue. That's not what they were 1:51:46.120 --> 1:51:48.559 talking about. That is not what they were talking about. 1:51:48.680 --> 1:51:51.200 That was what they used to get a thing that 1:51:51.320 --> 1:51:53.639 they had already determined they wanted. So they see baby 1:51:53.720 --> 1:51:56.200 c stuff propaganda again. And which do you know what 1:51:56.200 --> 1:51:58.400 they're doing in California right now. Here's how they're trying 1:51:58.439 --> 1:52:00.559 to end bear hunting in California right now. They're trying 1:52:00.600 --> 1:52:04.800 to say, we've seen increased forest fires. Until we better 1:52:04.960 --> 1:52:09.920 understand what these increased forest fires might mean for bear populations, 1:52:09.960 --> 1:52:12.400 we better stop hunting them. And you'll have some people 1:52:12.520 --> 1:52:15.040 be like, oh that makes yeah, because you know what 1:52:15.120 --> 1:52:17.000 their sense, you know what is in their head already. 1:52:17.120 --> 1:52:19.440 So they they're killing bears they see is an emotional 1:52:19.560 --> 1:52:23.000 thing they see people not like you have to fight. 1:52:23.560 --> 1:52:25.559 We have this ongoing debate here. We have this ongoing 1:52:25.600 --> 1:52:30.640 debate in Northern Rockies is like what about have have 1:52:30.960 --> 1:52:33.040 grizzly bears recovered to the point where they could be 1:52:33.080 --> 1:52:37.240 state managed and potentially hunted. No one argues, No one 1:52:37.479 --> 1:52:40.400 argues have grizzly bears been recovered? What they argue is 1:52:40.600 --> 1:52:42.800 what have you thought about this? Have you thought about that? 1:52:43.200 --> 1:52:46.639 So originally is like, have you thought about what would 1:52:46.680 --> 1:52:52.200 happen if cutthroat trout collapsed? So don't don't do that 1:52:52.320 --> 1:52:54.160 until you can prove me that. Okay, here's what that 1:52:54.200 --> 1:52:57.160 would look like and in in in fact, only like 1:52:57.520 --> 1:52:59.439 nine percent of bears for a couple of weeks out 1:52:59.479 --> 1:53:02.560 of the year access cutthroat trout. Things. Okay, tell me 1:53:02.680 --> 1:53:05.599 this one. Tell me this one. What if white bark 1:53:05.680 --> 1:53:09.559 pine blister rust was to be worse than it is now? 1:53:10.040 --> 1:53:12.040 Answer that for me. Then you go and be like, okay, 1:53:12.120 --> 1:53:14.400 well we're looking at you see like ten percent survival rates, 1:53:14.720 --> 1:53:18.240 so over time would be this and then this. Okay, okay, 1:53:18.640 --> 1:53:21.479 never mind that one. Then tell me this, right, it's 1:53:21.600 --> 1:53:25.639 never they're never questioning the actual question. So there's no science. Really, 1:53:26.439 --> 1:53:28.559 it's all science. It's all it's all science, but it's 1:53:28.560 --> 1:53:31.200 all it's it's like, you take a thing you know 1:53:31.360 --> 1:53:33.599 you want to happen. You don't want people in Washington 1:53:33.720 --> 1:53:35.760 hunting bears in the spring. How do I do that? 1:53:36.040 --> 1:53:37.800 I can't just say I don't want them to do it. 1:53:37.920 --> 1:53:40.519 I have to go say, let me think I got it. 1:53:42.200 --> 1:53:48.160 I don't like your science. Yeah. In Washington is you 1:53:48.240 --> 1:53:52.960 have a governor that is not supportive, and they've appointed 1:53:53.880 --> 1:54:00.599 game commissioners that oppose each other, and basically it's stalled 1:54:00.640 --> 1:54:03.920 out the process in a way that did not favor 1:54:04.360 --> 1:54:08.120 bear hunting in the state. So surely one one string 1:54:08.200 --> 1:54:10.719 to the bow here would be to better educate people 1:54:10.800 --> 1:54:14.840 on the prose of bear hunting. Yeah. And and we 1:54:15.000 --> 1:54:18.920 just went over one of the game commissioners. Yeah. And 1:54:19.040 --> 1:54:21.599 I think education is always going to be a huge 1:54:21.720 --> 1:54:23.720 part of this great part of guarding the gate. Yeah, 1:54:23.880 --> 1:54:26.000 And that's where I think we will come together. What 1:54:26.080 --> 1:54:27.400 do we say, Olier, what was at the top of 1:54:27.439 --> 1:54:31.160 the umbrella earlier? And fault and under fault is like 1:54:31.320 --> 1:54:35.880 forgot distracted? Okay, guard the gate, under guard the gate. 1:54:35.920 --> 1:54:45.040 It's a big umbrella, legislation, education, pr Okay, And you 1:54:45.120 --> 1:54:47.560 can take what you can pick one of those spots. 1:54:48.400 --> 1:54:50.680 But you're guarding the gate. Cow, Isn't that what you 1:54:50.760 --> 1:54:53.280 just because it sounds so pugnacious, Oh, I think it 1:54:53.400 --> 1:54:56.240 just sounds weak. I'm a small man behind the gate. 1:54:56.920 --> 1:54:59.680 Don't cross this gate, you know. I want to be 1:54:59.760 --> 1:55:02.880 on the other side of the gate people and telling 1:55:02.920 --> 1:55:05.040 them this is why we do things. Okay, if this 1:55:05.120 --> 1:55:07.600 is how it's done. If it's a branding issue, let 1:55:07.680 --> 1:55:10.000 me ask you this. If it's a branding issue, because 1:55:10.120 --> 1:55:12.480 I know that you that you that I know that 1:55:12.520 --> 1:55:15.120 you're supportive of hunting rights. If it's a branding issue, 1:55:15.840 --> 1:55:19.040 brand it better for me, Like what you would call 1:55:19.160 --> 1:55:22.240 if you had to make a rallying cry. Not around 1:55:22.280 --> 1:55:25.600 defending the environment, which I think is very important, not 1:55:25.760 --> 1:55:29.160 around defending habitat, which I think is very important. Okay, 1:55:29.440 --> 1:55:32.600 but this part of the issue, this portion of the issue, 1:55:32.760 --> 1:55:37.240 how would you brand it? I think it's branded under 1:55:37.280 --> 1:55:39.960 being a hunter? What about the health of the hunter, 1:55:40.160 --> 1:55:43.040 the health of hunting? You know, is that offensive to you? 1:55:43.160 --> 1:55:47.400 The health of hunting? Why would that be offensive to me, Steve, 1:55:47.480 --> 1:55:50.320 because guarding the gates offensive to you? Don't like? Yeah, 1:55:50.840 --> 1:55:53.000 I don't know why you would like the sound of it. 1:55:53.040 --> 1:55:58.560 It's like a prepper mental. You got to call it something, 1:55:59.440 --> 1:56:03.400 the health, and it's what people call it. It does 1:56:03.480 --> 1:56:07.360 sound pre man. I think clickbait is great, like people 1:56:07.400 --> 1:56:10.480 are going to click on that, but I don't think 1:56:10.680 --> 1:56:14.320 it is the thing that's going to solve our issues, right, 1:56:14.520 --> 1:56:17.320 It's like I disagree because it does though. It does 1:56:17.960 --> 1:56:19.880 when they tried to when they tried to ban when 1:56:19.920 --> 1:56:21.880 they tried to ban bear, Like the last time they 1:56:21.920 --> 1:56:24.200 tried to ban all cat hunting in Arizona, they beat it. 1:56:24.360 --> 1:56:26.080 The last time they tried to ban all bear hunting, 1:56:26.120 --> 1:56:29.520 and why Maine, they beat it. They beat it, They 1:56:29.600 --> 1:56:31.320 guarded the gate whatever you want to call Yeah, you 1:56:31.400 --> 1:56:33.680 gotta call it something. It's like all the things you 1:56:33.800 --> 1:56:42.880 do under that umbrella. Listen when people go, oh, a hunter, 1:56:44.400 --> 1:56:48.240 that means all of this other stuff and oh, by 1:56:48.280 --> 1:56:51.480 the way, they kill stuff to eat it. But they're 1:56:51.520 --> 1:56:54.680 the ones that are the ones that are uh pro 1:56:55.000 --> 1:57:00.040 clean water, their pro wildlife, their pro habitat. It's so 1:57:00.200 --> 1:57:03.360 you're talking like more of a hunting is conservation thing 1:57:05.960 --> 1:57:09.480 human being. I think most people would be pro hunting 1:57:09.720 --> 1:57:15.640 if they better understood it. And that's that's It's just 1:57:16.240 --> 1:57:19.880 it's easy to dislike something you don't know about. It's 1:57:19.920 --> 1:57:23.320 easy to have a little snippet of information. And I'm 1:57:23.360 --> 1:57:25.560 guilty of it. You know, I listen a little bit 1:57:25.600 --> 1:57:27.960 on your podcast or something, I think I'm suddenly an expert. 1:57:28.000 --> 1:57:30.680 I haven't heard the whole story and so many it's 1:57:30.760 --> 1:57:33.720 human nature to judge on the knowledge. You know. If 1:57:33.760 --> 1:57:36.280 we do a better job at selling the virtues of 1:57:36.360 --> 1:57:39.640 what we do, which is pretty cool, I think that's 1:57:39.680 --> 1:57:41.920 the way to win this. I don't think that that 1:57:42.120 --> 1:57:46.800 will make It's like, here's the thing I just gonna say, 1:57:46.920 --> 1:57:48.240 I'm gonna do that thing, right, have to say my 1:57:48.280 --> 1:57:50.040 wife like, I just want to do this, and so 1:57:50.080 --> 1:57:52.640 he keeps saying the same thing. Or we're over in 1:57:52.760 --> 1:57:58.280 different ways a hunter and outdoors and whatever. There's a 1:57:58.360 --> 1:58:00.360 lot of things you need to be doing. A lot 1:58:00.400 --> 1:58:02.200 of things you need to be doing. One of them 1:58:02.360 --> 1:58:06.040 is you need to be active in defending your rights 1:58:06.080 --> 1:58:09.600 as a hunter. You need to It's like that's a 1:58:09.720 --> 1:58:11.880 pillar or what do you call like, like, that's a 1:58:12.000 --> 1:58:15.080 plank in the platform, a plank in the platform, I 1:58:15.080 --> 1:58:16.840 would say, further word pro in there, and you need 1:58:16.840 --> 1:58:23.800 to be proactive. Oh okay, and wait for an email 1:58:23.840 --> 1:58:26.320 to show up and be like, oh god. And that's 1:58:26.360 --> 1:58:29.839 something like we didn't need to do when we were fourteen. 1:58:30.000 --> 1:58:32.720 That's not true. We should have been doing it first. 1:58:32.920 --> 1:58:38.200 The first big sweep, the first big sweep of of 1:58:38.640 --> 1:58:45.960 trapping bands hit in in around. It was like the 1:58:46.040 --> 1:58:49.000 minute Colorado had more people in Denver and Fort Collins, 1:58:49.800 --> 1:58:52.200 it was like the tripping point. Yeah, I'm saying like 1:58:52.360 --> 1:58:56.600 in the eighties, this was not like we just weren't 1:58:56.600 --> 1:58:58.400 aware that it would need to be a thing, and 1:58:58.480 --> 1:59:00.920 it became a thing. It became him a thing, and 1:59:01.000 --> 1:59:03.680 now it's like part of hunting. It's very much a 1:59:03.760 --> 1:59:05.760 part of hunting that you need to do these things 1:59:05.840 --> 1:59:07.440 and if if you want to be a hunt because 1:59:07.560 --> 1:59:10.680 every year there's a thing every year, just thing. I 1:59:10.840 --> 1:59:15.800 don't I get I understand, Like I feel that cal 1:59:15.960 --> 1:59:19.040 is making an aesthetic argument. I don't think he's making 1:59:19.040 --> 1:59:22.960 a substantive argument. It's aesthetics. Well, I don't think he can. 1:59:24.920 --> 1:59:28.240 I don't think it means that you somehow dismiss the 1:59:28.440 --> 1:59:33.000 threats to hunting by saying I don't like guard the gate. Correct, 1:59:33.360 --> 1:59:36.840 but it sounds like it. I I don't understand how 1:59:36.880 --> 1:59:41.800 it does. It just does because because you've embraced it. 1:59:42.440 --> 1:59:49.720 That's why it does. I get it. I don't care 1:59:49.840 --> 1:59:53.600 about I could I could live my whole life proactivity. 1:59:53.600 --> 1:59:55.640 I could live my whole life and is be and 1:59:55.800 --> 1:59:58.680 be whatever level of effective I am, right Now I 1:59:58.720 --> 2:00:01.000 could be as a factive of for my whole life 2:00:01.120 --> 2:00:03.240 and never use the three words guard the gate. I 2:00:03.280 --> 2:00:07.840 don't need those words. In fact, it was it was no, 2:00:07.960 --> 2:00:10.800 I don't because because it didn't. It didn't convince you. 2:00:11.120 --> 2:00:12.640 And you're one of the You're one of the people 2:00:12.680 --> 2:00:15.120 I look to to like you want to look people 2:00:15.160 --> 2:00:17.720 I look to to frame my opinions. So it didn't 2:00:17.760 --> 2:00:20.240 work on you. Now it's making me question the slogan. 2:00:20.400 --> 2:00:25.040 All right, But in America, in the political world, whatever, 2:00:25.160 --> 2:00:27.840 we find slogans like we know what the neo khan is, 2:00:28.240 --> 2:00:31.360 we know what mega means. Right, It's like there's ways 2:00:31.400 --> 2:00:35.320 of capturing there's ways of capturing a pattern of thought. 2:00:37.360 --> 2:00:40.320 What a paleocon like I say, Like that individual's a 2:00:40.400 --> 2:00:42.400 paleoconi like, Okay, I kind of got it. I could 2:00:42.440 --> 2:00:47.760 fill in the blanks about that person's belief system. Um it. 2:00:47.920 --> 2:00:55.520 It is a it's a term for a portion of 2:00:55.760 --> 2:01:01.080 our responsibility. I don't think if you're if you're an 2:01:01.160 --> 2:01:05.000 environmentalist or conservationist, pro habitat whatever, I don't think that 2:01:05.080 --> 2:01:08.440 that then gives you cover to turn to blind eye. 2:01:08.880 --> 2:01:16.680 Two people losing hunting rights that are sustainable practices. I've 2:01:16.720 --> 2:01:20.640 had this conversation with multiple leaders of conservation groups and 2:01:20.680 --> 2:01:22.280 they'll tell you, oh, we don't want to get involved 2:01:22.280 --> 2:01:24.600 in method to take arguments. I'm like, then you're not 2:01:24.720 --> 2:01:28.760 serving you're you're not serving your constituent. You can't pick 2:01:28.800 --> 2:01:31.240 and choose. You have to be involved in method to 2:01:31.320 --> 2:01:35.280 take fights. You can't act like you're representing hunters and anglers. 2:01:35.440 --> 2:01:37.120 But you won't get involved in the method to take 2:01:37.240 --> 2:01:39.480 argument because you want to stay above the fray and 2:01:39.560 --> 2:01:43.520 not piss off some potential donor who thinks hunting is okay, 2:01:43.600 --> 2:01:45.800 but all forms of it are kind of mean by 2:01:45.880 --> 2:01:49.400 like the general idea of it. You can't do that. 2:01:52.160 --> 2:01:55.680 I absolutely agree with that. All right, thanks for joining 2:01:55.800 --> 2:02:04.720 rob is the I would blame where we are today 2:02:04.800 --> 2:02:08.839 on two things. One supermarket's people buy meat in packets 2:02:08.920 --> 2:02:11.240 now they don't even consider it's a living thing. I'm 2:02:11.280 --> 2:02:13.240 guilty of it. And the other thing is too many 2:02:13.280 --> 2:02:16.320 bloody documentaries on nature showing the pretty side and not 2:02:16.440 --> 2:02:19.880 the ugly side. You know, show us an elephant starving out, 2:02:19.960 --> 2:02:21.960 show us a line getting killed by young lions. We 2:02:22.040 --> 2:02:25.120 don't see that. You don't You don't go on a 2:02:25.280 --> 2:02:28.440 Nature's Medal. I haven't watched I probably am guilty of 2:02:28.520 --> 2:02:30.400 that fact. I don't watch enough TV, but I haven't 2:02:30.440 --> 2:02:32.600 been able to find those programs. Just go to Nature's 2:02:32.600 --> 2:02:37.920 Medal on Instagram. My current, like giant looming evil is 2:02:38.040 --> 2:02:40.840 fake meat. Yeah, Like I think fake meat is going 2:02:40.960 --> 2:02:44.120 to lead to exactly what you're talking about. Right, It's 2:02:44.160 --> 2:02:47.200 like meat comes from the supermarket. Well, now meat comes 2:02:47.280 --> 2:02:50.720 from a lab A hard time getting round. I wouldn't 2:02:50.720 --> 2:02:53.680 even this is this is why you should because I 2:02:54.000 --> 2:02:56.160 I feel like I should, but I can't. You're taking 2:02:56.400 --> 2:03:01.440 you're taking the agriculture, which okay, we have sixty million 2:03:01.520 --> 2:03:03.480 acres of what we consider to be public lands in 2:03:03.480 --> 2:03:07.520 the United States. Right, we have over nine fifty million 2:03:07.600 --> 2:03:11.520 acres of land dedicated to agricultural use in the United States. 2:03:12.920 --> 2:03:16.840 What happens to that land that's dedicated to agricultural use 2:03:17.240 --> 2:03:20.280 for all the you know, supposed evils of let's say, 2:03:20.360 --> 2:03:23.360 like the beef industry, if that's not where beef comes 2:03:23.400 --> 2:03:29.640 from anymore, or work a shipload of condos right right? 2:03:29.920 --> 2:03:33.640 And and that is the thing, like that is like 2:03:33.720 --> 2:03:37.000 the tipping point for me of where all these open 2:03:37.080 --> 2:03:39.960 spaces where whether you think they're in production or not 2:03:40.240 --> 2:03:42.400 because they don't have a golf course or condo on them. 2:03:42.840 --> 2:03:45.600 Are actually out there doing the best job they can 2:03:45.800 --> 2:03:49.240 in cleaning our water, cleaning our air, and you know, 2:03:49.440 --> 2:03:53.240 providing some open space for God's sake. About the fake 2:03:53.320 --> 2:03:56.520 meats thing is that they'll then say a cow requires 2:03:57.040 --> 2:04:00.560 x amount of acres that in the American West, Like, yeah, 2:04:00.600 --> 2:04:06.160 but that acreage isn't just hosting that cow exactly. Yeah, 2:04:06.600 --> 2:04:09.240 I mean it's it's hosting all the mechanisms of life 2:04:09.880 --> 2:04:15.280 for for our food production, right like open rain, sure, yeah, pollinators. Well, 2:04:15.360 --> 2:04:17.200 in the end, we're just going to be boring a 2:04:17.280 --> 2:04:20.680 mebs that just live here and do nothing. I don't 2:04:20.720 --> 2:04:23.160 fantasy that. I like to go out hunting. I like 2:04:23.280 --> 2:04:24.840 to go climbing, I like to go fishing. I'll like 2:04:24.880 --> 2:04:27.400 to see all these fantastic places. And you know, well, 2:04:27.680 --> 2:04:30.480 I don't want to eat fight mate, because twenty years 2:04:30.520 --> 2:04:31.840 down the line, do we know what it's going to 2:04:31.920 --> 2:04:33.440 do to us? We don't have a clue, do we. 2:04:34.120 --> 2:04:36.800 I don't care. Like, here's the thing, man about that 2:04:37.360 --> 2:04:40.160 I don't do but I don't. It's not It doesn't 2:04:40.200 --> 2:04:43.840 bother me when people do you know, Like I don't. 2:04:44.000 --> 2:04:46.520 I don't. Uh, there's all kinds of things I don't 2:04:46.600 --> 2:04:50.240 engage in, and I don't care for other people engage 2:04:50.240 --> 2:04:52.160 in it, Like I don't like a duty eting a 2:04:52.320 --> 2:04:57.160 dude eating lab me Like I said, I just can't 2:04:57.200 --> 2:04:59.760 find it in me to be offended or nervous because 2:04:59.760 --> 2:05:01.320 I'm like, I don't care if the whole world they 2:05:01.440 --> 2:05:04.600 lab meeting. How do you dear meat that's meat raised 2:05:04.640 --> 2:05:07.640 in a lab, cultured in a lab, not Labrador retriever meat. 2:05:09.600 --> 2:05:18.280 Everybody doesn't need anything that jokes run its course over 2:05:22.360 --> 2:05:25.440 thanks to joining round, no pleasure, really enjoyed it. We're 2:05:25.520 --> 2:05:28.240 too next for you. So I'm down to Australia in 2:05:28.280 --> 2:05:31.920 a couple of weeks and then hopefully Tasmania for a few. 2:05:32.040 --> 2:05:33.920 I've never been to Tasmania. I've got to try it. 2:05:34.480 --> 2:05:36.440 Just picked up a new scott Rod. It's got to go. 2:05:37.120 --> 2:05:40.360 So be rude, not too, wouldn't it? Would you know? 2:05:40.440 --> 2:05:42.920 They got some islands out there where the Tasmanian Devils 2:05:42.960 --> 2:05:46.640 have HIV. Yeah, yeah, they're not saying very well in 2:05:46.720 --> 2:05:50.360 a bad way. Yeah it's yeah, there's there, we got 2:05:50.440 --> 2:05:55.880 there's Yeah, it's a wild world out there real quick? Uh, first, 2:05:56.440 --> 2:06:04.160 you're serious? Yes, how did the what was the transition pathway? Oh? 2:06:04.520 --> 2:06:08.480 I have no idea. There's a really they're trying to 2:06:08.520 --> 2:06:11.680 save the Tasmanian devil. At one point they put a 2:06:11.840 --> 2:06:17.680 colony of them on to some islands um and some 2:06:17.840 --> 2:06:25.160 sexually transmitted diseases got into that population. And yeah, I 2:06:25.280 --> 2:06:28.200 want to say one of them was HIV. Yeah, they know, 2:06:28.440 --> 2:06:32.120 they know got chlamydia right, Yeah, I'm chlamydia is a 2:06:32.240 --> 2:06:37.840 deal for for the Tasmanian Devils too. Phil, a little 2:06:37.840 --> 2:06:47.160 phil joke. What there's a thing like Koalas are riddled 2:06:47.160 --> 2:06:49.920 with clamidia right now, it's hard on them. And I 2:06:50.120 --> 2:06:53.840 was saying that was filled. That was just phil joke. Yeah, Phil, 2:06:55.160 --> 2:07:00.800 domestic sheep get a bad job. Oh it's too dark, 2:07:01.400 --> 2:07:05.880 Ignore it, stupid pilot. That are you saying that I 2:07:06.520 --> 2:07:09.480 was hanging out with Koalas and things happened? Can you 2:07:09.680 --> 2:07:12.920 either cut it out? Can you make the joke? Couldn't 2:07:12.920 --> 2:07:14.240 think of a different joke and put it in there? 2:07:14.280 --> 2:07:16.280 And I think that's good prettys humor. There's a lot 2:07:16.280 --> 2:07:18.000 of Brits that would really find that I was one 2:07:18.000 --> 2:07:20.240 of the worst jokes, stupidest jokes I ever made. Yeah, 2:07:20.240 --> 2:07:22.720 I agree, I regret it. Okay, what can I say 2:07:23.080 --> 2:07:25.320 tell people how to go buy? What? What's the like? 2:07:25.440 --> 2:07:27.760 Tell like if you had to pick like one asset, 2:07:27.920 --> 2:07:33.520 one thing, that would be like this captures um spartan bipods, 2:07:33.600 --> 2:07:36.440 you'd be like, I would have them, see my I 2:07:36.600 --> 2:07:39.760 actually am more sort of I really like our little 2:07:39.800 --> 2:07:41.800 tripod unit. No, no, I mean I mean that that. 2:07:41.920 --> 2:07:44.000 I mean, like, what were they so? So it's a 2:07:44.040 --> 2:07:48.160 weight issue, so really stupidly light right, very very strong. 2:07:48.720 --> 2:07:50.760 You clip them on when you need them, and you 2:07:50.840 --> 2:07:53.160 take them off when you don't. For me, that's that 2:07:53.280 --> 2:07:55.960 bit of real estate under the rifle. You use a bipod? 2:07:56.040 --> 2:08:00.200 What so infrequently? Why do we keep it on the rifle? Yeah, 2:08:00.800 --> 2:08:05.080 Bay Park. It's a little receiver. The receiver screws into 2:08:05.160 --> 2:08:09.320 the sling swivel stone and becomes the provides the sling. 2:08:09.520 --> 2:08:11.000 We don't really know it's there, and then you need 2:08:11.040 --> 2:08:12.960 to stick the thing in your on your waistbelt hour 2:08:13.040 --> 2:08:15.880 sometimes to carry on my back pocket. They're easy to use, 2:08:16.120 --> 2:08:19.240 they were just there. They're really an excuse of why 2:08:19.280 --> 2:08:21.880 wouldn't you take a bipod that's what we've done because 2:08:21.960 --> 2:08:24.120 there's a mountain hunter or whatever. I probably wouldn't have 2:08:24.200 --> 2:08:27.680 taken one many years ago, but that now, because it's 2:08:27.720 --> 2:08:30.440 so light and it's there, I can. The other thing 2:08:30.520 --> 2:08:32.680 that the bipod does that many don't do well is 2:08:32.720 --> 2:08:35.040 there's a lot of canton rotations, so you can follow 2:08:35.080 --> 2:08:36.840 a target and you can can't because the ground ain't 2:08:36.880 --> 2:08:39.880 sucking even is it up there, you know, it's very unstable, 2:08:39.960 --> 2:08:41.840 and so to be able to lob your bike rifle 2:08:41.920 --> 2:08:44.879 on get a stable shot. I mean we get shiploads 2:08:44.920 --> 2:08:46.440 of people come back and said, I've just done this 2:08:46.520 --> 2:08:49.360 and done this, it's brilliant. I think we're doing something right. 2:08:49.400 --> 2:08:51.520 We can always do it better. We're not perfect, far 2:08:51.640 --> 2:08:54.320 from it, but we try bloody hard and we're not arrogant. 2:08:54.360 --> 2:08:56.840 We listen, how long do you think I've had one 2:08:56.840 --> 2:08:59.920 of these where you've been one of the first one time? Yeah, 2:09:00.000 --> 2:09:01.680 it's got to be five years, there, isn't it? Five 2:09:01.800 --> 2:09:03.920 or six years? I would say, and I will still 2:09:04.320 --> 2:09:09.880 The magnet on that original biopod is so strong that 2:09:10.440 --> 2:09:12.400 even though I've had a lot of experience with them, 2:09:13.000 --> 2:09:15.160 I catch myself thinking like, oh, did they add like 2:09:15.200 --> 2:09:18.680 a lock into this if if, if it ever malfunctions 2:09:19.120 --> 2:09:21.680 because you got you picked up a metal burd from somewhere. Yeah, 2:09:22.400 --> 2:09:24.720 you do come to realize there's a lot of there's 2:09:24.760 --> 2:09:28.000 a magnetism in the earth exactly exactly, and we do 2:09:28.080 --> 2:09:30.520 a military version with a locking system. I mean, they're 2:09:30.560 --> 2:09:32.520 coming out. There's lots of stuff we're doing. But that's 2:09:32.560 --> 2:09:35.400 not my back. So uh, one more question for you, 2:09:35.560 --> 2:09:38.880 go on for our next euro report, Like, I don't 2:09:39.520 --> 2:09:41.200 I want to go h you know, hid when you're 2:09:41.200 --> 2:09:44.040 tightening your lug nuts, yeah, you don't just go around 2:09:44.080 --> 2:09:46.800 in a circle. Yeah right you yeah, you go like, 2:09:47.040 --> 2:09:50.680 uh yeah, diagonal whatever. So Madge, we're doing Europe like 2:09:50.720 --> 2:09:52.920 you're tightening lug nuts. Yeah. I don't want to go 2:09:53.000 --> 2:09:55.920 to to the next lug nut. What what consciens should 2:09:55.920 --> 2:09:59.160 we do? I'd probably pick an Eastern European country or 2:09:59.200 --> 2:10:02.320 go right in the middle and do France. That be crazy, Yeah, 2:10:02.360 --> 2:10:04.960 but that's like your neighbor. Yeah, but are they real different? 2:10:05.000 --> 2:10:10.720 They are totally different. Yeah. Yeah, but you've got every 2:10:10.840 --> 2:10:13.920 country will give you a different flavor, you know, it's 2:10:14.040 --> 2:10:16.840 it's they're so so different. I want to do Finland. Man, 2:10:16.920 --> 2:10:19.400 Finland would be brilliant. We've got some good finished buddies 2:10:19.760 --> 2:10:21.400 do a lot of work with sacco and ticker and 2:10:21.440 --> 2:10:26.800 there's some good there's serious lads over there and Spain stuff. 2:10:27.960 --> 2:10:30.000 What can trump with the bow in Spain? I can't 2:10:30.000 --> 2:10:32.360 wait to do it access my homeland. What country would 2:10:32.360 --> 2:10:40.200 be the closest thing to the US. It's probably not 2:10:40.320 --> 2:10:47.760 a brilliant question. Um. I tell you that Mark has 2:10:47.840 --> 2:10:50.600 some public land, right, There are a few countries that 2:10:50.680 --> 2:10:52.640 have a little bit of public land. That's probably the 2:10:52.800 --> 2:10:58.000 only similarities there. Yeah, and there's clubs in places like Sweden. 2:10:58.040 --> 2:10:59.960 So you become a moose, you join your moose hut 2:11:00.080 --> 2:11:02.200 Tink club. And I've seen old boys in there, like 2:11:02.920 --> 2:11:04.800 they must be knocking on the door ninety and they 2:11:04.840 --> 2:11:07.360 don't want to give up their place. So there's carrying 2:11:07.440 --> 2:11:09.640 these huge packs into the middle of nowhere for their 2:11:10.120 --> 2:11:13.240 their annual moose event, you know. So yeah, it's I 2:11:13.280 --> 2:11:16.080 want to see moose get around with dogs. Yeah, they 2:11:16.160 --> 2:11:17.680 do a lot of that or there, I believe. So 2:11:18.000 --> 2:11:21.680 it looks yeah, it looks awesome. Yeah, it's just the 2:11:21.880 --> 2:11:25.200 Arctic is a great place. Cape Kailey hunting that would 2:11:25.200 --> 2:11:26.960 be a cool thing that me and and you're trying 2:11:27.000 --> 2:11:31.760 to There's a guy called all Flint. I think link 2:11:32.080 --> 2:11:34.280 he's super cool. If I could do that's that's the 2:11:34.400 --> 2:11:36.320 one when people are like, what's the one big thing 2:11:36.560 --> 2:11:38.440 we hunt out of the country, That's what I want 2:11:38.480 --> 2:11:41.200 to do. You hunt them out of trees using a 2:11:41.240 --> 2:11:43.880 barking bird and you're shooting a full ball rifle into 2:11:43.960 --> 2:11:46.000 a tree. I mean, that's pretty freaky for me. I 2:11:46.040 --> 2:11:48.000 would do that in the UK because I'm likely to 2:11:48.120 --> 2:11:51.000 end up going into Tumbridge Wells hitting Mrs what's her name, yeah, 2:11:51.640 --> 2:11:54.880 Mrs Niggins where they have but but up there there's 2:11:54.920 --> 2:11:56.920 nobody and that's what they've been doing for years and 2:11:57.000 --> 2:11:59.480 it's super excited. It's like deer hunting for a bird. 2:11:59.560 --> 2:12:05.120 I am above uh yeah, you know winning Rome, right, 2:12:05.400 --> 2:12:07.200 I'm not above shooting bird out of a tree with 2:12:07.320 --> 2:12:08.800 some people that shoot birds out of Yeah, no, no, 2:12:08.920 --> 2:12:11.080 they're it's brilliant, it's really you do it. You put 2:12:11.080 --> 2:12:13.440 a lot of miles in for very few shots. But 2:12:13.520 --> 2:12:16.320 it's a really epic place to go. And then with 2:12:16.480 --> 2:12:19.120 the old male birds, they taste like shipe and they cooked, 2:12:19.160 --> 2:12:23.960 so we just do tartar and they're lovely. Yeah. Yeah. 2:12:24.320 --> 2:12:26.600 Oh they're not good cook now that the fat where 2:12:26.960 --> 2:12:29.720 some people might like them, but they're really good raw. Yeah, 2:12:29.840 --> 2:12:31.600 you know I found out that that kind of surprised me. 2:12:31.720 --> 2:12:35.280 Is um timerg are so much better raw. Yeah, I 2:12:35.400 --> 2:12:37.880 got I got all the grousekeepers in Scotland last year 2:12:37.960 --> 2:12:40.680 eating grouse row and they said, fuck off, we're not 2:12:41.160 --> 2:12:43.520 doing that, and then after a little while said come on, 2:12:43.600 --> 2:12:46.280 just try and they I did, like eleven of them 2:12:46.440 --> 2:12:48.360 over a few weeks. They're lovely, they really are. I 2:12:48.400 --> 2:12:53.200 wouldn't grouse again, you know that that dish um having 2:12:53.240 --> 2:12:55.800 made in a long while, but like like Chinese heart 2:12:55.880 --> 2:13:01.000 part yeah, where you like you got the broth and 2:13:01.080 --> 2:13:02.560 the stuff in it and just take raw meat and 2:13:02.640 --> 2:13:05.440 dip it. Yeah, it's like doing that for tim again. 2:13:05.880 --> 2:13:10.080 They're like cook but not really cooked. It's good, don't 2:13:10.280 --> 2:13:12.600 what's that? The mums do that? Yeah? I think so. 2:13:13.040 --> 2:13:14.760 Whenever I have a question by anything over that neck 2:13:14.800 --> 2:13:18.320 of the woods, I just asked Aran try to answer 2:13:18.520 --> 2:13:21.440 not always right? All right, Thanks for coming on man, pleasure. 2:13:21.560 --> 2:13:22.640 It's great your report