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Speaker 1: for every hunt, first light, go farther, stay longer. Alrightybody,

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Speaker 1: we got a lot, We got a lot we gotta cover.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I saw this morning I haven't seen forever.

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Speaker 1: But listen, I always root. That's I always root for

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Speaker 1: that woman, all right, because she's got a lot of

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Speaker 1: that sperm whale snot that they've that's the super valuable Ambergers. Yeah, really,

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Speaker 1: the stuff lamp oil right, is the base? Yeah, is

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Speaker 1: into perfumes. Yeah, we've covered that thousand times. Uh. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The oil, the sperm whale he had, like his really

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Speaker 1: The theory is like all the capsulated like uh, squid

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Speaker 1: and so that that I mean, that was sort of

423
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Speaker 1: the premise. I don't actually think the open fields doctrine

424
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: it was viewed as unconstitutional. But but what it does

425
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: here in Tennessee, at least at at this level, there's

426
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: still appeals that could occur, right as it appears to

427
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: me anyway that you know, if you've if you've posted

428
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: your property and you've you've made a reasonable expectations to

429
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: put people on notice that that you don't want anybody there,

430
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: and it's it's private property, and you're exercising that and

431
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: you're using that property that yeah, you have to have

432
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: permission or a warrant to enter those places. But it

433
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: also UH says there are certainly places that are wild

434
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: or unoccupied. Uh why I think it's wild or waste

435
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: lands or or there might have been some other language

436
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: there that the court was siding to that that fall

437
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: still fall outside of the purview of the Fourth Amendment

438
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: or the in this instance, the Tennessee version of the

439
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: Fourth Amendment against uh, the legal search and seizure. That

440
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: makes sense, Yeah, but what so, but why if what

441
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: makes people in Tennessee up in arms about this, you know,

442
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: I mean like put yourself in the war, like put

443
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: yourself in the wardens. Uh mind frame. Yeah, sure, So

444
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: my I suspect right that, and this is this is

445
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: a lot of Uh, I'm going to suspect I would

446
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: assume you know that sort of thing because I don't.

447
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: I don't know specifically, I haven't talked to a specific

448
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: warden here about it. But um, before this, you had

449
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,239
Speaker 1: a statute that said they could basically go anywhere to

450
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,239
Speaker 1: enforce the state game laws. And now you have a

451
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: case that greatly restricts the places that they might be

452
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: able to to go without a warrant um or without

453
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: landowner permission to enforce those state game laws. And so

454
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: I think there's um, I've seen the argument in other

455
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: places that you know, Tennessee is not unique. There are

456
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: other states that uh have restricted, have have more um,

457
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: have more expansive views of the Fourth Amendment rights. It

458
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: extends to farther to more lands than other places. Right then,

459
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: So so you have the the federal government that has

460
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: that has this U. S. Supreme Court case you know,

461
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: dating back to the nineteen twenties US Hester case that's

462
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: set up the the open fields doctrine. But then you

463
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: have state constitutions that also have Fourth Amendment search and

464
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: seizures and so uh, states are are able to interpret

465
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: that lad you know, their own constitutions, and they can

466
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: be more restrictive than the the U. S. Constitution. And

467
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: so you have a number of states that have done this.

468
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: Tennessee is not unique here. But I have seen the

469
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: arguments pop up. There's you know, there's UH. I've seen

470
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: people wardens are afraid, um. You know what what if they,

471
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: for example, see an animal that's wounded and want to

472
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: humanly dispatch that, do they have to first get permission?

473
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: Or can they enter this open field and and dispatch

474
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: a wounded animal? They might not be able to without permission,

475
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, depending on how the how this open fields

476
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: doctrine has defined UM. And then also I've heard the

477
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 1: argument of you know, wardens are charged with protecting and

478
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: conserving a public trust resource being wildlife, and they need

479
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: the ability to quickly access areas and to check hunters

480
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: um and that wildlife don't respect private property boundaries, and

481
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: the agency has charged with managing all wildlife and needs

482
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: to be able to to do that, and this would

483
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: create a limitation of being able to do that. And

484
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: I've also heard it could uh there's concerns that it

485
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: could send incentivize bad actors, you know, meaning, uh, if

486
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: if you know that a warden no longer can use

487
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: what they thought the open field doctrine allowed, and it's

488
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: now much more narrow narrowly defined, that there might be

489
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: a lot of places now where uh, the risk of

490
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: poaching goes up. Oh I would that would be like

491
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: a huge that would have to enter people's mind. Oh yeah, Hey, Dave,

492
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,479
Speaker 1: this brody, I got a question for you about like

493
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: how it used to be versus how it's gonna be now.

494
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: Like let's say a game warden's parked on a country

495
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: road and there's a dude off on and a tree stand. Um,

496
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: game warden, here's a bunch of shooting, and then sees

497
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: a guy dragging what appears to be a dope during

498
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: buck season, Like it's private property, Like, now, can that

499
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: warden go check that guy out? Yeah? Yeah, So, And

500
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: let me be clear, I'm not licensed in Tennessee, so

501
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to interpret Tennessee law here. Uh. And

502
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: this is just sort of a uh, you know, one

503
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: guy's opinion of the situation. But that's the facts that

504
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: you described. In a lot of places, if if you

505
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: see something from a public road, there's no expectation of privacy.

506
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: First of all, So you witness a crime being committed

507
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: on private land from public a public road, that law

508
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: enforcement officer can respond to that uh, criminal activity as

509
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: it's occurring. You know, you're you, you see it happen,

510
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: you can respond. Um. But if he just got but

511
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: if he just got a call from like one of

512
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: the neighbors, he couldn't just go check it out. And

513
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: so this is a this is where it's one of

514
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 1: those It depends, you know, it depends on what that

515
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: land is is it would it qualify as this wild

516
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: or waste lands under uh, under the Tennessee law, I

517
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: don't know. It's so the point being, this is gonna

518
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: be so circumstance specific. If this case holds, like like

519
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: right now it's at a circuit courd, it can still

520
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: go to an appellate court, it can still go to

521
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: the state Supreme Court. If this decision holds, I think

522
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: a lot of the hypotheticals are really going to be

523
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: circumstanced specific. Right. So the fact so if you if

524
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: you're struggling with this. How does it go on the ground?

525
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: Cut with it? Right? I mean we're having an adult

526
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: conversation to you about these and they're so great it

527
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: sounds really alien to me. The the bummer of this

528
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: is all these cases where where this has been challenged. Um.

529
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: The examples that come forward are all examples in which

530
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: criminal activity was taking place. Yes, people trying to get

531
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: out of tickets they got yes, And so there's not

532
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: a lot of empathy for uh, you know, being defensive

533
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: of private property laws when there's a crime taking place.

534
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: So I got tons and tons of emails and messages

535
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: and stuff regarding this, and you know, it kind of

536
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: puts you in that whole like have versus have not

537
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: type of mindset like yeah, screw those guys. They're they're

538
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: poaching or bating or whatever. And it's hard to see

539
00:32:54,680 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: like the appropriate amount of uh, defensive private property. I

540
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: guess what I'm saying. Um. You know, Montana had changed

541
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: its approach based off of a similar circumstances. Guy Guy

542
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: poached and elk Um had it hanging up on private property.

543
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: The warden went past no trustpassing signs, not specifically to

544
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: investigate a crime. But I was just going to talk

545
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: to the landowner and happened to notice a bull elk

546
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: hanging off the meat pole. Um, so there was that

547
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: expectation of privacy there. There were no trustpassing signs. Guy

548
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: wasn't uh technically, I think like in the act of investigating.

549
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: But there's the evidence right there. And the workaround from

550
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: everybody who's been emailing me is like, well, can't the

551
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: county judge just get better and more efficient at issuing

552
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: search warrants? Is that a possibility? Dave? You know, I don't.

553
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm not one to to critique how judges issue search warrants.

554
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: I've seen them. You know, search warrants can issue be

555
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: issued pretty quickly. You do have to still have probable

556
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: cause that that something occurred, and you have to be

557
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: able to you. We really in this country, and I

558
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: think rightfully so protect personal liberties. And it's not necessarily

559
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: just about private property, but it's about personal liberty and um,

560
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: a right to not be subjected to an unlawful search

561
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: or seizure of property. I mean, it's it's a founder

562
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: it's the Fourth Amendment, it's a foundational amendment. It's it's

563
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: in every single state constitution as well. And UM, so

564
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: it's a pretty when it's a when it's something like that,

565
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: it's a very high bar um you know, to to

566
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: to uh to violate that. So we're not violate that,

567
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: but to show that there's a state interest to um

568
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: to conduct that search or seizure. So you know, I

569
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: look at it a judge and and they take their

570
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: responsibility so seriously and they're not going to just give

571
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: a blanket warrant. There needs to be something there, so

572
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: to say we need to speed up a process or something,

573
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: I mean, that's I'm a little reluctant to go down

574
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: that road just because you know, I think I feel

575
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: pretty strongly personally about you know, some of the the

576
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: personal liberties spelled out in the Constitution and doing everything

577
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: we can with the judicial system to protect those, and

578
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: sometimes it creates these these situations you describe where you have, um,

579
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: people that have probably committed a crime that wind up

580
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: getting away with it because the evidence was collected in

581
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: violation of their constitutional rights. And that's that's the system

582
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: we operate under and I think it mostly works. UM.

583
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, you pose that question, but I would

584
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: personally be yeah, I think. I think our judges do

585
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: and county prosecutors do a pretty darn good job of

586
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: of turning around warrant requests. Um. There. But they're probably

587
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: your exceptions to that where it could be improved. Um,

588
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: but they're usually pretty good about it. So, Dave in

589
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: a in a nutshell here, you're not you don't see this,

590
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: and you're not thinking, Oh, their goals, the their goals,

591
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: the country. Well, I mean it's there. How bad are

592
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: things in Montana since it happened, since since that case happened,

593
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: and and the open fields doctrine was there are limitations

594
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: put on it there? Um, I think New York has limitations.

595
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: I think Mississippi might have some limitations. Uh. You know,

596
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: there are half a dozen states or more that have

597
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: gone a slightly different direction from the U. S. Supreme Court.

598
00:36:54,160 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: They've interpreted their own state constitution differently. Uh I I haven't.

599
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't seen the substance evidence saying

600
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: that this is. You know that we're seeing increases in

601
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: poaching or it's making it harder for law enforcement to

602
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: do their jobs. We wouldn't know, now, would we, Dave,

603
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: Because they can't go look anymore right now. That that's true.

604
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: There could be an illegal There could be an illegal

605
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: deer hanger from every tree back there, Dave. That's the

606
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: thing is too, is like game winds often like uncover

607
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: a violation like on the spot. You know, it's not

608
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: like something that they're they they're they would need a

609
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: search warrant for. They need to be able to react

610
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: like right then. Or they're just like out shooting the

611
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: ship with people and they're like, ye, something's fishy here.

612
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 1: Well what if it is the case of something small

613
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: like fish? Right? So it's like, I'm pretty sure that

614
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: guy has taken more than his limit. Ye got to

615
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: go get a search warrant. You finally show up, there's

616
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: the scent of beer batter and fry oil. When he

617
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: goes in front of the judge for his search warrant,

618
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: he's like, your honor, I could smell that fry. I

619
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: could smell that fish fry. I know what they're doing. Yeah,

620
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, there's one other thing I think it's important.

621
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: They're things like migratory birds. So you know, doves, ducks, geese,

622
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: you know that sort of thing. Uh. In places where

623
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: there's migratory birds. The an interpretation of the of the

624
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: state constitution for the open fields doctrine isn't going to

625
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: impact like the U S Fish and Wildlife Service enforcement

626
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:42,959
Speaker 1: officers ability to investigate offenses and and UH they would

627
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: be operating under the open fields doctrine established by the

628
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: United States Constitution. So now that doesn't get to your

629
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: deer hanging in a tree thing, uh in in every

630
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: tree example. But for things where there's some concurrent juristic

631
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: action over species management, like migratory birds, which are you know,

632
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: obviously uh covered by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act federal

633
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: authority with this, this is where it gets confusing for me,

634
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: and where I think it adds another layer of complexity

635
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: is because now you have a state that may be

636
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: making a different interpretation of the open fields doctrine pursue

637
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: it to their state constitution than the than the US Constitution,

638
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: and you have different law enforcement agencies operating under different

639
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: jurisdictions that that are responding to different case law. So

640
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: you could have an instance where a Tennessee game warden

641
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: might not be able to walk into a field under

642
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: this under this do uh under this new interpretation, but

643
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: a US Fish and Wildlife Service officer could still do

644
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: so mm hmm potentially, which makes it confusing. Yeah, I'm

645
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: like reflexibly a status quo guy when it comes to

646
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: stuff like this, Like I don't you know, I've have

647
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: spent my whole life under the knowledge that, like some

648
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: dude from the A t F can't just show up

649
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: and want to dig through your gun cabinet to make

650
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: sure you haven't cut your twelve gage shotgun barrel too short, Right,

651
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: You just get used to that reality. But you know,

652
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: when I was growing up and we're always breaking rules

653
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: all the time, Uh, we spent a lot of time

654
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: on private land really hoping a game warden didn't show

655
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: up because we found ourselves in a compromise position, right,

656
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: And I think that if from my perspective, man if

657
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: I had known that that just wasn't gonna happen, I

658
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: just feel like things would have gone even a little

659
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: more off the rails now and and and that that's

660
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: the question that you kind of come down to, is

661
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: we know there's not that many game wardens, we know

662
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of big chunks private property. We know

663
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot of hunters and anglers out there during

664
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: the seasons. Yeah, they need to be able to be

665
00:40:54,680 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: efficient with their time. And the idea is effective, like

666
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: the idea of the game warden showing up is effective

667
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: for people who that sort of thing. And if you

668
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: remove that, what can analogy? Is it effective against the

669
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: people that were breaking laws to begin with? No? But

670
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: you remember we were hunting. Remember we were hunting in

671
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: h South Dakota. Bell scared the ship out of me.

672
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: Also Farmers Cornfield. He's like standing there, Yeah, like tapping

673
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: me on the shoulder. How's the hunting? And the probable

674
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: cause have been nothing? Like I heard a gunshot? Right,

675
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: he could have could have seen some some birds fallen

676
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: out of this guy or something. Yeah, that bird looked

677
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: like it fell illegally, right. Who you know what's funny

678
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: about all of this is you have, uh, the case

679
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: that started this all back in nineteen US Oliver Wendell Holmes,

680
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: Great Oliver Wendell Holmes. Really it's yeah, who's the same

681
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: judge that decided Missouri the holland the Michael Traper Treaty

682
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: upholding that same say he he wrote the opinion, it's

683
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: two paragraphs the entire open fields doctrine and and it

684
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: was really based on prohibition I mean that case was

685
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: based on you know, moonshine, moonshining trade, you know, illegally

686
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: selling moonshine, and uh, everything we know about the old

687
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: open fields doctrine was born out of a case that

688
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: is two paragraphs long an opinion. I've never seen a U. S.

689
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: Supreme Court opinion two paragraphs long, but I just find

690
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: that fascinating. Maybe so, And it's been you know, but

691
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: two paragraphs and and we have this this whole debate

692
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: over and and all of the expansion, most of at

693
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: the federal level, most of the talk about open fields

694
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: doctrine and and how it's been reinterpreted and and or refined,

695
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: that how it operates. It's really been around uh, illegal

696
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: drug use, marijuana fields, things like it's it worked. Talking

697
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: about it in this game context, and it almost feels

698
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: like in some instances, because I'm just thinking about what

699
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: you all were talking about there just a second ago,

700
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 1: in some ways it feels like trying to fit a

701
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: square peg in around whole like where we're talking about

702
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: in in our world open fields doctrine applying to a

703
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: public trust resource, like how do you manage something that's

704
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: owned by everybody but doesn't know any boundaries, and we're

705
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: trying to apply the rules that were established for controlling

706
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: illegal drug trade and alcohol trade during prohibition. I just

707
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: find that fascinating too. We've we've worked it into that system.

708
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: But the open fields doctrine wasn't born out of this

709
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: idea of game warden's being able to walk into fields

710
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: and check and enforced game laws. It was about stopping

711
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: illegal alcohol and drug trade. M hm. Well, I think

712
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: in in Tennessee, one of the cases that that they

713
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: had brought up was this was years ago. Was was

714
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: not fishing game related. It was a guy growing out

715
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: behind his house, and uh, they tried to fight the

716
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: whatever tickets and jail time or whatever that that fella

717
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: received based off the open fields doctrine. It's like it

718
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: wasn't visible from an open field or you know, it

719
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: was it was tucked away. I was like, I'm not

720
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: a dumb guy growing weed. M it wasn't visible from

721
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:35,959
Speaker 1: the county road. M hm m hmm. I'm just gonna

722
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: make noises like that. But it's like our own Maggie

723
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: Hudlow's writing an article on this right now too, and

724
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: she and I were chatting about it yesterday and and

725
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 1: she's like, do you think there needs to be another

726
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 1: law that can like take the space of this if

727
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: it goes away, And and it's like that idea of

728
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: like the need for law is so hard to pin down.

729
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: I think my gut reaction is no. I think what

730
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: we need is people to give a ship in the

731
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: first place and buy into the North American model of

732
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: wildlife management, understand what biologists are saying. Uh, and then

733
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: we don't need a bunch of extra laws. Yeah. Yeah,

734
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: but some people always like to be naughty. Yeah, but

735
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: they're breaking laws anyway. They don't care about that. It

736
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what the right from a European standpoint. And

737
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: this is the only country we've ever been asked to

738
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: show a ticket, you know, yeah, never anywhere else. So

739
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: something's working, guys. You know, that's pretty incredible because I've

740
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: been pretty lucky. I've traveled all over the world, but Appellations.

741
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: I was fishing for trout in those little mountain streams

742
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: and this guy just appeared. I shot myself right, and

743
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: he said if you got and I said, yea, yeah,

744
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: I've done everything right. And then he started feeding fish

745
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: with some like fish pellets, and I thought well, no,

746
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: I'm not catching anything here, and they were huge fish.

747
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: And then another time I was hunting for dove that

748
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: wasn't so sexy because I didn't have a license. I've

749
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: been out with some people so confessionally fess up. But

750
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: I was with a guy and he said, oh, we'll

751
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: get it sorted in the morning. We didn't, and this

752
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: warden came up and said, I'm really lucky I found you.

753
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: It's like I cover thousands of square miles kind of

754
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: thing and I've got you. And I was hammered. Yeah, no, no,

755
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: he was really good. He was he saw that we

756
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: were honest. He clearly didn't know who I was, but

757
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: he said, no, go and get your ticket and just

758
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: treat this to put it down to experience. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

759
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: because that's those would be federal right. No, they're migratory. Yeah,

760
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: but I don't think they have federal damn it. They're

761
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: they're migratory bird, but they do have federal over So

762
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: did you chuck it up to you being a knowing European. Well,

763
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: now it's with a very new knowing Americans, so that's

764
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: no excuse. We can't get away with that. It was

765
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: pretty entertaining trip actually, and yeah, because we sat we

766
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: shot a lot of doves and we sat down and

767
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: we're tucking into him with all the young kids that

768
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: evening and all the all the grown ups weren't really

769
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: eating them, and I thought this is a bit odd.

770
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: And then they got out big fat, juicy steaks. Learned

771
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: a lesson here, but it was good. It's good that

772
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: you know you've got a system there that actually works.

773
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: All right, Daved, will let you go. Man, alright, Hey,

774
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Yeah, appreciate you coming on and providing

775
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: some clarity there. I like it better when you just

776
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: really oversimplify things and make it seem super alarming. But

777
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 1: that's not what I do, though, you know. I like

778
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: it better when one well, you guys are the ones

779
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: that are supposed I'm just supposed to provide the factual

780
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: legal information, and you guys are supposed to make it hyperbolic. Right,

781
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: that's the way. But that's what I was trying to do.

782
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: I was trying to make a yuperboling. I got shot down.

783
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: You're trying to get me to make it hyperbolling. I

784
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: want you back me up, man, I want to I

785
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: want you to have my back on the hyperbole. All right,

786
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: thanks a lot, Dave. Good luck with you. Thanks, I'm

787
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: sure it sounds good. Okay, one more thing before we

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, what happens? You know, like what are your

836
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837
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839
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Speaker 1: eat wild game? At what age should you let them

840
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841
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842
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843
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844
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Speaker 1: What kind of gear to buy them? What to take

845
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: them hunting for when they're, you know, first getting into it,

846
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: What to fish for when they're first getting into it,

847
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: when they come back without their mittens. What probably happened

848
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: to their mittens. You're gonna go buy a new pair,

849
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: and that's what you're gonna do. Why. Oh, there, day

850
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: my boy Matthew, we're checking some beaver traps and he

851
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: on the day we're setting walks in over the top

852
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: of his rubber boots. On the day we're checking walks

853
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: in over the top of his rubber boots. And I

854
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: asked him, not thinking how to get an answer, why

855
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: do you keep walking in over your boots? And he said,

856
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: I don't like to look down. He had a good reason,

857
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: meaning he's not monitoring where the water is because he

858
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: doesn't He likes to apparently look more forward. Yeah, but

859
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: basically you got a plan on that happening every time.

860
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: The same kid also laid this on me. Uh, I

861
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: was blaming something on him, and he's said, it's not

862
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: my fault. I forgot, And I was like, no, forgetting

863
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: counts as your fault. It's like that's bucketed under fault.

864
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: You know that's not it's not like a defense. Forgetting

865
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: is your fault. My kid says, it's not my fault.

866
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: I got distracted. Yeah, somebod needs to make like a

867
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: chart it says like fault and then it's like a

868
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: family tree. But then under fault is forgot distracted. I

869
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: didn't give a ship like like all the like all

870
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: the reasons that you don't do what you're supposed to do.

871
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 1: You know what I do. If I had a pile

872
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 1: of kids that need to learn how to fish, please

873
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 1: I had written the chapter, I'd buy that TRCP fishing

874
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: trip with Pete Alonso, Like Uncle Pete's got covered. That's

875
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 1: good idea. Put that in the book, a short book.

876
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 1: Uh so check that out Outdoor Kids in an Inside

877
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: World available everywhere. Books are sold right now, go and

878
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: get it. You got kids, rub look at a look

879
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: at average transition. Yeah, I've got four yeah, one four teen,

880
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: three girls and a boy. Yeah one of them still

881
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: live with you. Now they're all that well one yeah,

882
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: the others are all doing their own thing. Now. The

883
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: oldest ones was seriously into a hunting Yeah. Yeah, that's good.

884
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: But she's an artist as well, so she does a

885
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: lot of bronze arts. So she shoots them, eats them,

886
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: and then turns them into pieces of art. That's wonderful.

887
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: So again, this is a robbed gearing to talk about

888
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: your business. First Spartan Precision, so I set up my

889
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: backgrounds climbing. That was really my sort of big thing

890
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: when I was younger, because it's very difficult to get

891
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: into hunting in the UK and we can get into

892
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: that later, but I set up Spartan Precision because of

893
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: my climbing background. I wanted lightweight equipment that was modular

894
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: because everything I carry was on my back. So if

895
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: I could make a tripod or a bipod that would

896
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: do other jobs as well, lightweight and make it well,

897
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: it's sort of I thought it had a big advantage.

898
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: And look, there was nothing genius about what we did.

899
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: I was formerly in an aviation business. We bought the

900
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 1: nose of Concorde. That kind of explains all the slick,

901
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: slick engineering, the nose of the serial number six, which

902
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: never actually flew. It was assimilated, it was it done

903
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: twice the hours of every other Concorde because they checked

904
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: it for cracks or damage. And we turned it into

905
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: a piece of art which is still sitting in Oxford

906
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: Aerodrome somewhere. Spanked a load of cash on it, so

907
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: that was a huge waste probably, but it made me

908
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: see where I could go because we set the Concorde

909
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: on an Olympus engine bearing the Olympus being the engine

910
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: that powered Concorde, and the guy that covered it up

911
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: and used two clamshells and rare earth magnets at these

912
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: tiny little fucking things, I mean dinky and they had

913
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: like sixteen key or what thirty pounds of pull on them.

914
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: And I said, chip Man, can you make be a

915
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: bipod that sticks on my rifle with one of those?

916
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: And that was the end of my genius. So I

917
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: can't really take more credit than that. But dead thing though,

918
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: sticks those Yeah, it's kind of amazing, Like when you

919
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: hold it up there to that little socket, it's like

920
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: anti my pod on my rifle. Till I started using

921
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: that thing. Well, yeah, because I used to you in

922
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: the old days, when you do use those out, who's

923
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: the kind of they're like the first ones out and things. Yeah,

924
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: you'd be going through some older children hold just like that,

925
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: things like it always comes out hanging on exactly, and mentally,

926
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: when you're like a jillion miles into your walk, you're

927
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: kind of thinking of the things that you could just

928
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: leave on the trail. Yeah. Yeah, So I used to

929
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: take a lot of people hunting, and I had one

930
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: of those Harry Spi pods on my rifle, but I

931
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: got it's a great tool. You know, I'm not knocking it,

932
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: but it's just once you set the shooting it, yeah, once,

933
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: but the springs can make noise and all sorts of things.

934
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: I just didn't like clutter underneath the real estate. So

935
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: I took a Swedish client into shoot a Roebuck once

936
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 1: I'd taken the leap i iPod off, and he wasn't

937
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: comfortable making the shot. And I'm not the type of

938
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: people that the person that's pushing people to make a shot,

939
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: And I said, look, if you're not comfortable, mate, skip it.

940
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: Well that's not said that. What I do is I

941
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: see what exactly is the problem anyway? That's that was

942
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: really the birthplace. So it was it was. It was

943
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: a sort of mix of climbing and hunting and all

944
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: of those things, and a bit of aviations behind it.

945
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: That really was the birthplace. As spartan and I gave

946
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: up a very lucrative business in aviation, sort of got

947
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: divorced from my dear old business partner, which was far

948
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: more ugly than getting divorced from my wife, but that's

949
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: another story. And then got in a little boat and

950
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: started paddling hard and that was We're in our ninth

951
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: year now. Yeah. Yeah, nearly sunk a few times on

952
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: the way, but we just managed to keep our noses

953
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: above water. And this is where it's at the eyes.

954
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: You know, we're in the worst bloody country to be

955
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: making shooting stuff by a country mile. You know, it's

956
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: just crazy. Explain that ext We'll first tell people how

957
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: to find how to find You guys are really they

958
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: combine from you guys, sparting, precision equipment, sparing pursuing equipment.

959
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: But I was default javel On, which is the original bipod. Yeah,

960
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: and now there's a family of bipods and a family

961
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: of tripods, and they're all modular. It's a bit like

962
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: Lego for the hunter. You know, you build what you need.

963
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: We're not dictating. I mean, I'm not in love with tripods.

964
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: We make tripods, but you can run them as bipod

965
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: squad systems, PENT systems. I'm not saying I'm going to

966
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: go to the woods with the PENT system, but I'm

967
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: going to go to the woods on probably two legs

968
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: and the work I would do in the UK and

969
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: hunt on two legs all the time because short distances

970
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: and it's quick and we're managing, dear, we're not as

971
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: in standing up standing, sharing, and most of it well

972
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to be doing in the UK is going

973
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: to be standing work anyway. It's woodland and we're after

974
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: hello and right right, dear, really, and the whole ethos

975
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: of what we're doing is to try and shoot as

976
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: many as we possibly can because and we've lost the

977
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: rice already. I mean, there's just too many of them.

978
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: He's gone crazy over there. Yeah, I'm gonna set it

979
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: up like the way that annoy I'm gonna set it

980
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: up in a way that annoys people with exposure to Europe. Right,

981
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: it would be this. We talked about Daniel Boone all

982
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: the time. Let's take Danna. We're talking about Robin Hood

983
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: and Daniel Boone. Okay, Daniel Boone's ancestors came from England.

984
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: They almost certainly we're not hunters. When Daniel Boone got

985
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: when his family came to America, you know, they wound

986
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: up in Pennsylvania and Boone started becoming a big time hunter.

987
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: And what it was he could just kind of roam

988
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: around willy nilly out in the woods hunting deer um.

989
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: This is prior to how deer management in the US

990
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: was codified into the law. But there was just this

991
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,919
Speaker 1: expectation that deer that were out on the open land,

992
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: out on the unclaimed lands, we're free for the taking.

993
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: There's no regulatory structure in place, but you could own

994
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: a firearm and go out and hunt deer on open

995
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: unclaimed lands on the frontier. Okay. This stood in stark

996
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: composition to what many Americans referred to as the European model,

997
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: in which deer are owned by the landowners the king's deer.

998
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: Most of the deer are live on large private estates.

999
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: The landed gentry, who controls and owns these estates, sets

1000
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: the agenda for deer management um. And you get into

1001
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: the to understand this, you get into like the myth

1002
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: of robin Hood right where he would go out and hunt, okay,

1003
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: and shoot the king's deer in order to feed the

1004
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: poor and his him doing the was a capital offense,

1005
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: meaning you used to be that you know you could.

1006
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: There's a rich history of stuff, and you just go

1007
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: look all over and find books about and stuff that

1008
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: the land managers used to be able to actually set

1009
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: a type of leg hold trap meant to catch a man, okay,

1010
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: And you'd set these out to catch poachers. You could

1011
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: get the death penalty for poaching. You could have an

1012
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: eye gouged out, a hand cut off, or shooting the

1013
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: king's rabbits. Right, it was like wildlife was a was

1014
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: the property of the wealthy exactly right. Well, okay, then

1015
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: why do here's the thing, why does everybody get so piste?

1016
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: And it's not it's not Europeans to get pissed. It's

1017
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: Americans who go hunt in Europe that's spent a lot

1018
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: of time in Europe. They could all been out of

1019
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: shap and they're like, you don't know your old blip.

1020
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: What's the word punt bloviating? Well, it's I live on

1021
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: Ashdown Forest right. Ashdown Forest is the old private hunting

1022
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: ground of Henry the eighth, and you can still see

1023
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: the perimeters in places that there's a twenty seven mile

1024
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: walled private hunting ground with a ditch dug all the

1025
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: way around and a pale fence shaped in so wildlife

1026
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: could run in and couldn't get out. And then there's

1027
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: little villages around it called hatches, which are the old

1028
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: entrances onto the forest. And what you said is exactly right.

1029
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: The people that lived on those forests couldn't hunt anything.

1030
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: They weren't allowed to and if they got coolt it

1031
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: was a pretty yeah, it wasn't going to be it

1032
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: wasn't going to end. Well, um, we don't have public land.

1033
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: We have public land, but no public land that you

1034
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: can hunt on. So if you're little Jimmy living in

1035
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: the middle of London, there's no bloody chance in a

1036
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: million years you're going to get the opportunity to play

1037
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: like we do. It just doesn't happen. So what you

1038
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: get is you get people like me, lucky bastards. There's

1039
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: no landowners that won't have a dear able and then

1040
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: go Rob, come and help me manage the deer, or

1041
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: you get stinking wealthy people, big landowners that manage it.

1042
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: So what's happened in essence in the UK is hunting

1043
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: is an elitist game. You know, it's it's absolute abstract elitism.

1044
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: You're not going to get into it unless you're channeled

1045
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: through the directions I've said. The only other way is

1046
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: if you become a professional hunter. So we have colleges,

1047
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: we've got three of them in the UK where you

1048
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: can become a gamekeeper, deer stock or whatever, and they're

1049
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: pretty intense courses. And that's a formal degree, a formal degree,

1050
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: college trained, formal. You come out with the qualification. I

1051
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's like going to university, persads. You go

1052
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: to college and you spend three years doing it either

1053
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: in fisheries, deer management, bird management, whatever. So they come

1054
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: out pretty well qualified and they come out pretty knowledgeable

1055
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: in their subject matters for sure. But most people in

1056
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: the UK they spend thousands of hours in their back

1057
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: garden shoot in air guns, twelve ft pound air guns,

1058
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: and they don't progress beyond that. Right now, they'll spank

1059
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: a lot of money on these air guns because they

1060
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: never get the opportunity to go out and hunt. Now,

1061
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: these air guns there, twelve ft pound should be lucky

1062
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: if you killed a bloody squirrel with one. So it's

1063
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: you've got over here, from a European or UK perspective,

1064
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: a huge playground right which is absolutely awesome in every regard.

1065
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's got its issues, I'm sure it's got

1066
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: its problems, but from a European perspective, it's pretty epic

1067
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: what you've got going on. So I want to get

1068
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: into I want to get into the gun law thing

1069
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: for for for a minute, but I want to ask

1070
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: no question prior to that. Another difference. And again we're

1071
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: talking right now, like we're talking with someone from the UK.

1072
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: We're talking about the UK. So this is this is

1073
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: installment one of the euro Report. And in all honesty,

1074
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: the people that get riled up about our typification of

1075
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: Europe never cite the UK as an example of where

1076
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: we're wrong. They talked about other places. Yeah, but you know,

1077
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: begin lumping them all together now, So trying not to

1078
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: do that focusing on the UK. One thing, though, I

1079
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: could walk into a butcher shop in the UK and

1080
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: see ducks with shotgun pellet holes in them. Explain that.

1081
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: So it's the It's completely different. So in the UK

1082
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: you have professional hunters right managing deer, shooting a lot

1083
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: of deer. Right, All of that venison or whether it's

1084
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: birds or whatever, can go straight back into the food chain.

1085
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: So unlike you guys were allowed to sell it to

1086
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: game dealers, who then in turn will send it and

1087
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: sell it to restaurants, pubs, et cetera, because because the

1088
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: landowner owns it and the restaurant. There's a restaurant in

1089
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: London called Rules. Look that one up. I think seventeen

1090
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: seventy six, oldest restaurant in London. That's it. They started

1091
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: it right when we started whooping you guys ass Probably well,

1092
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: but no game game is frequently eaten in the UK

1093
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: and sold is it pretty popular with I mean, Presulia

1094
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: has been like wild shot ducks are popular with people

1095
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: who would never shoot a duck. Well, the problem is

1096
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: we're probably twenty years ahead of the game in a

1097
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: bad way from where you lads are. That's what I

1098
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: would say. So when I was growing up, if I

1099
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: took a rabbit or a duck round to my neighbors,

1100
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: she thanks, thanks very much, I'm going to have that.

1101
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: If you did it now they go, well the funk

1102
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: are you doing? Yeah, we've gone We've lost it. And

1103
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: you could blame supermarkets. You could blame the British Broadcasting

1104
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: Corporation for that. We could talk have a whole subject

1105
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: matter on the BBC. But more well, it's a public corporation.

1106
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: We pay for it as a taxpayer. Um My father

1107
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: was edited to Radio Times many years ago. And BBC

1108
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: used to be a brilliant corporation. Now it's a tiny

1109
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: little minority sort of dictating rules and REGs or trying

1110
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: to steer us in a certain direction that I frankly

1111
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: really discussed me like it's over politicized. Yeah, yeah, completely biased.

1112
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: I mean they employ people that are openly biased. And

1113
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: I said, I spend my life right into them, saying

1114
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: I pay for this as a public corporation. Please, guys,

1115
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: can we have some unbiased information. It's some impartial information,

1116
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: and it's I'm pissing in the wind. No, no, no,

1117
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'll tell you, man, I don't pay for it.

1118
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: But I hear those guys, and sometimes they get me

1119
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: a little. Yeah, I mean we get like anti hunting

1120
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: articles in the media and things like that. But yeah,

1121
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: over there, it's like the mainstream media. It's enormous and frankly,

1122
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: population probably don't give us screw either way, right, they

1123
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: just don't care. But the BBC and other entities have

1124
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: decided that hunting is not for us. And again, you know,

1125
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: I sort of get it because so many its easy

1126
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: to hate something you don't get a chance to play

1127
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: at Oh, so I've taken vegans out. I've taken vegetarians out.

1128
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: I love it because I like to enter into a debate.

1129
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: So we'll come out hunting with me for a day

1130
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: and then go and spend it down a fucking chicken farm,

1131
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: and then you tell me what's what's worse? Right now,

1132
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: we all know as hunters it doesn't always end well,

1133
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: and mistakes happen. We have to live with that. But

1134
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: would I rather be a fellow deer on ashdown forest

1135
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 1: or a chicken just about to be spanked out to KFC?

1136
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: I know what I'd rather take? What chances that? Alright? So, uh, guns,

1137
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: what does it take? Let's say you had Let's say

1138
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: here you are and somehow your neighbor says, um, here

1139
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: here the situation you're you're you? Yeah. Your neighbor says, oh, Rob,

1140
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 1: just so happens. I got a pretty sizeable chunkle land.

1141
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: If you want to go out there and shoot a

1142
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,560
Speaker 1: few deer, have at it? Um And he says, The

1143
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 1: thing is, I don't. I don't have any guns. I

1144
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: don't know. You have to figure out and end out

1145
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: what do you do? That bit's easy, That bit probably

1146
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: is easier for us than it is for you. So

1147
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 1: I've got an open what you call an open license.

1148
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: It's easier than we go down to the we go

1149
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: down to the hardware store about a gun. I've got

1150
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: a gun. So you're telling me when I said you

1151
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: through you because you're thinking about you. Yeah, okay, Little Jimmy,

1152
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: Little Jimmy, Jimmy and London's Jimmy and London. He he

1153
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: winds up that his second cousins, neighbor whatever says, if

1154
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: little Jimmy is so interested in reading books about hunters

1155
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 1: and whatnot, he ought to come out and get a deer.

1156
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: So little Jimmy isn't for a tough ride, right, a

1157
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 1: long tough ride, if he really wants to do that.

1158
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: And let's say also that despite his name, little Jimmy

1159
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: is eighteen, right, and little Jimmy's eighteen. Well, now he

1160
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 1: can legally fire a full ball. I think as a kid,

1161
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: you're not even legally allowed to unless it's under certain protocol. Um.

1162
01:09:56,120 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: It's it's absolutely driven to not provide you a arm.

1163
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 1: Can you point warbo a real quick full ball, like

1164
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: like anything like a three o three or something, not

1165
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: a ring fire. There's different high powdered rifle we'd call it.

1166
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:13,719
Speaker 1: But little Jimmy has got basically if he's in London,

1167
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: he's I'm almost certainly not going to get a fararm

1168
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: certificate for deer hunting anyway because the London authorities hate

1169
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: firearms full stop. It will be a huge challenge. He's

1170
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: got to have the land approval, as you say, if

1171
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: he's got a patch of land, then they're going to

1172
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: want him to go and do a level one and

1173
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,560
Speaker 1: level two deer stalking course. That's pretty major. You know,

1174
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: that's probably six months of hard study to get it.

1175
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 1: That's not taking that online safety course should you shoot

1176
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: someone right? No, it's pretty intense. And the and the

1177
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 1: thing is getting a firearms like Look, there's seventy plus

1178
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: seventy million people in the UK, of which I'm gonna

1179
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: I might be slightly out, but so I think it's

1180
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty five thousand firearms license holders. Right

1181
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: of that hundred and fifty five thousand, I would imagine

1182
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: less than a third or actually out in the woods hunting.

1183
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: Most of them are be rain using a busy range

1184
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: in places like that. But you need to have a reason.

1185
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: You've got to have a reason. You've got to have

1186
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: a reason to own a firearm. It's really really challenging,

1187
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: you know. I to see you guys and I look

1188
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: at that with green eyed envy and think it's so

1189
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: cool what you can do over here. Right, But again

1190
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm getting back to the fact it's why people hate hunting.

1191
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: We're not allowing anybody to partake in what we're doing

1192
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 1: unless you've got a spank load of cash. So they

1193
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 1: all spend thousands of quid on a air gun in

1194
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 1: their back garden plinking tin cans that would hardly kill

1195
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 1: a squirrel, and they spend a lot of money on it.

1196
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: There'll be hundreds of thousands of people in the UK

1197
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: with air guns, which in not in Scotland it's different,

1198
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: but in the UK you don't need a firearms license

1199
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: if it's under twelve foot pounds are using. Oh, there's

1200
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 1: a low, there's bs A, there's um, there's a Swedish

1201
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,759
Speaker 1: coming that makes some pretty cool stuff. But they spend

1202
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 1: a fortune shooting games. Yeah, they have some gammos as well,

1203
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: but a lot of people will spend a lot of

1204
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: money on that because they can't get firearms license and

1205
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 1: what like have you. This is the digression, but at

1206
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: with the with these souped up air guns, like at

1207
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: fifty meters, what's a good gun. But they're not souped up.

1208
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: We're not allowed to have a soup. If you have

1209
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: a souped up air gun, then you're going to go

1210
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: down the firearms channel. So if your ag gun, he's

1211
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 1: over twelve foot pounds, which is going to give you,

1212
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 1: let me guess him six hundred and fifty ft per

1213
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 1: second for two two and seven fifty for one seven,

1214
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: you know you are running out of steam pretty goddamn quick.

1215
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get My kid has a gamble air gun. Now,

1216
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: it's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I mean they're

1217
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: they're legal to use for a big game, and you

1218
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 1: got to get geared up to cock that thing. Man,

1219
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: he's got to like stand up. But I mean it's powerful. Yeah,

1220
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: now we don't have we do have those, but again

1221
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 1: you'll fall into the full ball firearms thing. So it's

1222
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: and me personally, I couldn't be asked with it, so

1223
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: I just moved into climbing instead, and then later got

1224
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: into hunting because I knew channels I could get into.

1225
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 1: So do you have the permits. Now I've got permits. Yeah, yeah,

1226
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: I mean I've done a lot of hunting in the UK,

1227
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: let's say, dear management. But that's because I knew the

1228
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 1: right people and slid under the doorway, slipped in there

1229
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: and never exited. So you do you have fire arms

1230
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: in your possession at home? Yeah? Yeah, I do. I'm

1231
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: allowed to. But I'm a rarity, right, I'm not talking shotguns.

1232
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 1: Shotguns completely different thing because everybody's into clay pigeon shooting,

1233
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: so there'll be a lot of people with shotguns, but

1234
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: full ball rifles go on. Then I got to remember

1235
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: this question when you get around. Can they shoot slugs

1236
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: out of the shock? No? Not anymore. We can't hunt

1237
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: with bose. We can't shoot slugs with a shotgun. No, no,

1238
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 1: we're not allowed hunt with bose because they're deemed inefficient.

1239
01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: Or there's something. There's something. This is a rabbit hole

1240
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 1: that I might not be educated to answer, but I

1241
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: think there's something. In the eighties, there was an old law,

1242
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong with don't This was a

1243
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 1: medieval law that somebody could shoot a drunken Scotsman in

1244
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: Wales or something with a U bow made in the

1245
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,759
Speaker 1: made in a certain place, and I think somebody actually

1246
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: tried it right, but they got him because his U

1247
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: bow was made in Spain. You'll have to look that up.

1248
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: But it's just yeah, but anyway, it was in the details.

1249
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: Bring let's just but it's yeah. It's both were very

1250
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: limited to what we have I think, and it's best.

1251
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: It's very good in the UK. Will defend that. When

1252
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 1: it's well run and well managed. I think it's extremely good.

1253
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: What's the deer hunting and how we how we go

1254
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: about it? My challenge, my personal challenges. So many people

1255
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: don't get the opportunity to do it, and I think

1256
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: that's pretty rare. They're even aware of the now. I

1257
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 1: don't because it's not promoted harder and we don't have

1258
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 1: a single entity that's really promoting hunting to my mind

1259
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 1: in a very good way. There's lots of different entities,

1260
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: all too busy taking chunks out of each other rather

1261
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: than thinking what's the common goal here? So I guess

1262
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: how often this would be a good way to kind

1263
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: of sum it up, would be like how often have

1264
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: you spoken with people who are like, oh, I wanted

1265
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 1: to get into hunting? But I couldn't figure out how

1266
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: that would happen quite a lot, but not as much

1267
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: as you de might imagine because it's so off base.

1268
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: It's so they don't live in Montana, they don't live

1269
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 1: in a place where there's a big land mass and

1270
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 1: they can see the opportunities, so it's not really promoted. Well.

1271
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: I think there would be a lot of people that

1272
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: would want to get into it. Certainly deer management and

1273
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: deer deer hunting in the UK has grown a lot

1274
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: in the last few years. There's a lot more people

1275
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: getting into it. But it needs the dollar, you know,

1276
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: and that's the only way. Really the history of bird

1277
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: shooting or there is unreal. I mean the amount of

1278
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: pheasants raised in the UK hundreds of thousands, hundreds of thousands,

1279
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: and again that's a real rich man sport, you know.

1280
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,560
Speaker 1: That's it's yeah, and that's that's going to change. I

1281
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 1: think you'll see that die in the next ten years

1282
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: because because governments and controls and anti shooting, anti hunting entities, Well,

1283
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: bring me back in ten years. I'd be amazed if

1284
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,600
Speaker 1: they're still doing big bird days. You get away with

1285
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 1: the walked up days, I'm sure, But they're really hitting

1286
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: the grouse shooters in Scotland, very driven shoots. Yeah, the

1287
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: driven shoots coming after him on what on what grounds?

1288
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: You tell me? I don't know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

1289
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: mean we banned fox hunting, they still drag a skin

1290
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 1: or whatever, and thinks it's just it's just those that

1291
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: haven't got like to destroy what they're not able to do.

1292
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: Do you like anything about the UK? Well, I'm here.

1293
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 1: I've been here since the fifth of Bloody January. Does

1294
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: to your questions other than the shorts quick escape down

1295
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: to Patagonia which is like Montana fifty years ago, I'm not.

1296
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 1: I'm not a great I like people. Don't get me wrong.

1297
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 1: This is gonna sound coming coming as I got older.

1298
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: I just want to be with the right people, and

1299
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: I'm very happy on the my own skin. I think

1300
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 1: when I do spend time back in the UK, most

1301
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 1: of it's north of the border, and I spent a

1302
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 1: lot of time up in Scotland because it's just quite

1303
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: up there. So we answered your questions, Steve know, I'm

1304
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: probably not. There's better places. Yeah. Can we jump back

1305
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: to the meat for a second. Yeah, Am I reading

1306
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: this rate where it says you don't get it like

1307
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: you go out and shoot a deer, Yeah, you don't

1308
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: get to keep for yourself. So if I shoot fifty

1309
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: deer a year, right that that carcass is not mine.

1310
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: That carcass goes straight back to the estate and that

1311
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: meat is sold and that's how they make them. So

1312
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 1: there's no cutting off a backstrap. And I'm given a

1313
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: few testicles now and again. Are you serious? I'm un

1314
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: But they're just like if you go if you do

1315
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,040
Speaker 1: a cold deer, I mean they got to give you

1316
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: want us for They will give me one if I want.

1317
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: If I want venison, I'm not going to starve out.

1318
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: But the rules are that venison goes in the larder. Right,

1319
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: that's done, and that's off to the off to the

1320
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 1: restaurant after the game. Does I mean we get a

1321
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 1: lot of swedes come over because the thing about the

1322
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:17,759
Speaker 1: UK is you're going to shoot a lot of animals.

1323
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: You know, we had we had eight swedes come over

1324
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: a couple of years back, pre COVID, and there was

1325
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: four of us and I think we shot a hundred

1326
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 1: and twenty deer in two days. That's a lot of work.

1327
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: They're not bark side their fellow size. So they're sort

1328
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: of big labs kind of thing. But and that's that's

1329
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: worth a lot of doubt, that's worth many thousands. So

1330
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 1: and plus the crops. There's a lot of crops down

1331
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 1: in the south. And if you've got a hundred and

1332
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: forty deer in your crop, well it's it's gone, isn't it. Yeah.

1333
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: What's that word you guys used for when you got

1334
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: something from the diaphragm relic? Yeah, so you as the hunter,

1335
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 1: you're doing that again, completely different to what you lads

1336
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: to do. Right, we'll leave everything in the skin. Well,

1337
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: take out all the green, right, we might all the green,

1338
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: all the intestines, diaphragmbar. Yeah, yeah, we might leave the

1339
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: heart and the other organs in depending on where you are,

1340
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 1: or we'll take him out. They get hung in the skin,

1341
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: they get putting the chiller in the skin, and then

1342
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 1: they go off to the game dealers that way. Yeah.

1343
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: Can we walk back to let's say, let's say a

1344
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: little Jimmy who's not so little, wants to pursue obtaining

1345
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: a firearm, and he goes through that six month course

1346
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:35,799
Speaker 1: and he's obtained the firearm. It's his second cousins, neighbor.

1347
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: So we know that he has a purpose and he

1348
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: has um what does he have to do in order

1349
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 1: to end up actually hunting arranged? So so basically he'll

1350
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: be apprenticed to somebody even after the deer he's done

1351
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 1: the exams and things, how does he find That's the

1352
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:01,839
Speaker 1: challenge When there's only a hundred and fifty five thousand

1353
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 1: firearms license holders and probably less than a third doing it,

1354
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 1: there's an infinite number of people that are queuing up

1355
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 1: to get that opportunity that will never get that opportunity.

1356
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 1: I find that pretty sad. I remember you told me

1357
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:20,679
Speaker 1: earlier though if you um so, can you are there

1358
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: estates where you can you know there's a whole kind

1359
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: of package deal of staying there and hunting, or can

1360
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 1: you can you find someone who is like a recent

1361
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: graduate from one of these deer management programs? Like what

1362
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 1: would this person actually do if they were just completely

1363
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: determined to end up a little bit of both? Right?

1364
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 1: So if you show real determination, and like when I

1365
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 1: got out of hunting for a while and got into

1366
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: the climbing because of that frustration, and then I managed

1367
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: I found a local estate Caldre Estate down the south

1368
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: and basically were looking for some helpers. So I would

1369
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 1: help take punters out, clients out, you know, and we

1370
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 1: would call the females right. We wouldn't shoot the bucks

1371
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But I spent years doing that

1372
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 1: kind of things, building up. But it's it's a challenge.

1373
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 1: It's a really difficult thing to get into because there

1374
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: isn't any public land, so you have to either go

1375
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: through that first channel you said, which is incredibly expensive.

1376
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 1: I can you could arrange to go hunting tomorrow in

1377
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: the UK if money is not an issue. But it's

1378
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 1: the same with our fly fishing. You know, you're going

1379
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: to spank a lot of money and maybe it's going

1380
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: to cost you a thousand bucks for a day, you

1381
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,560
Speaker 1: know that kind of figure. You could get less, but

1382
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 1: it's it's going to be that and up really, or

1383
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 1: you just scrub around, find some gamekeepers, help the gamekeepers

1384
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 1: for a year or two and then they might say, well,

1385
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 1: come and shoot a deer. That's it. And what is

1386
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 1: the what is the regulatory structure? Like forget all the

1387
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: stuff about getting a firearm having access, Like what's the

1388
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: regulatory structure? Could get give me like, give me the

1389
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 1: you guys. I know you guys don't do acreage, but

1390
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 1: expressed for me the land like a large estate or

1391
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 1: a medium estate whatever. How much ground are we talking about?

1392
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: So the estates don't tend to be big because there

1393
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: isn't a large land mass. A reasonable estate there might

1394
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: be three thousand acres pretty big, but I mean the

1395
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 1: one for my dear management. I might be shooting in

1396
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: somebody's back garden. You know, they might have a deer issue, right,

1397
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 1: and you could be looking at less than ach and

1398
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 1: Mrs miggins roses are being eaten by the by the row,

1399
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 1: so you've got to go and help Mrs Meiggins. That's

1400
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: where an open license comes in handy. So an open

1401
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: licensees you're determined whether it's safe to shoot. So unlike

1402
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: I think over here you you have to be so

1403
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: far from a building before you can take a shot.

1404
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 1: To you, No, this state does. This state doesn't have

1405
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: that phone, Dave, No, the state doesn't have This state

1406
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 1: doesn't have a specific distance from building. Right, But you'd

1407
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: get into you get into questions of like what might

1408
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 1: be like criminal negligence or something like that, But there's

1409
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 1: not like some states are very specific if you're gonna

1410
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 1: shoot within four fifty of an occupied dwelling, you have

1411
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: their written permission from UM, the owner of the structure, right,

1412
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,600
Speaker 1: but this date doesn't. This state in particular doesn't have that.

1413
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 1: But there's sort of an understanding of what's okay and

1414
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 1: not okay. Got you So, So in the UK it's

1415
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: very different, you know, because there's such a short amount

1416
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 1: of land. You might have deer mucking around in a

1417
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 1: tiny area and you've got to manage that problem. So

1418
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 1: that's probably one thing that we can do, but it's

1419
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,599
Speaker 1: really challenging and it's not going to get any easier.

1420
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: And the whole thing the reason I'm pleased to be

1421
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 1: here is you don't want to be following what's happening

1422
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 1: in the UK. It's just not sexy. I mean, we

1423
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 1: don't want to go on no, no, it's it's it's

1424
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 1: not sexy at all and it's going to get worse

1425
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 1: than I can see a day where you know, they

1426
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: just they'll have professional deer hunters managing deer and the

1427
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: public won't even be allowed to do an actual fact

1428
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 1: in Scotland, you might want to look this up here

1429
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 1: and I think somebody's just got a contract of manage

1430
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,879
Speaker 1: fifty thousand red deer right in that in the islands.

1431
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: Now that's a native species. We've got six species of deer,

1432
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 1: arguably seven, but six species of deer in the UK,

1433
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: three of which are native or considered native, and the

1434
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: others are non native name the need of one. So

1435
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 1: the native ones are read um Fellow and row Fellow

1436
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,839
Speaker 1: aren't truly native. They were bought over by the Normans

1437
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: or the Romans, nobody knows, but they've been long enough,

1438
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 1: so they've got the native flag now. And then the

1439
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: others are Asian imports. Yeah. So I want to touch

1440
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:43,679
Speaker 1: on the regulatory structure real quick, and just for this case,

1441
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 1: let's go to it that there's a three thousand acre estate. Yeah, um,

1442
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 1: do they the government set down like a season in

1443
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: which they can be hunted, or like any kind of

1444
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 1: any kind of rules about how far they can push

1445
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 1: a call? Now there's a seat, you're right seat. There

1446
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 1: are seasons for all the species other than mount Jack,

1447
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 1: because the mount jack a non native and they're normally

1448
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 1: pregnant within three days of getting birth, so they considered

1449
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: a pest all the other day. I have a strict

1450
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: um period of time in which you're allowed to shoot them.

1451
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 1: If you have a real problem with numbers, you can

1452
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: get extensions to see a mund jack gets bred within

1453
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 1: three days. It's normally they're normally pregnant within three days

1454
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 1: of giving birth. Yeah, I wouldn't fly. Yeah, let's disgust, don't.

1455
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: I don't think you're thinking about the munt jack. Steve's

1456
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 1: good for jack. Yeah. Yeah, they are crazy little things.

1457
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:46,639
Speaker 1: They're very cool, and they have a row. They bark.

1458
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 1: They call them the bark. Indeed, they said, you might

1459
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 1: think you've got a dog kicking off. They got a

1460
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: little little tusks things that are slightly removed about a bit,

1461
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 1: and they fight it. They're pretty aggressive, so they've got

1462
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 1: very thick fat and fur around the next We grew

1463
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: up just considering them absolute pest because they eat all

1464
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 1: the flora and fauna. But the continentals love coming over

1465
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 1: and hunting them. They're quite challenging to hunt because they

1466
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 1: never stopped. It was on the move, so you've got

1467
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: to be pretty quick on them. Taste bloody good mind

1468
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 1: you zero yeah tiny yeah yeah yeah yeah no, But

1469
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 1: I mean we've we've talked about it because it is

1470
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:27,719
Speaker 1: it's an intriguing animal because it's got so much character.

1471
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 1: You know, who do you refer to as continentals? Like

1472
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 1: everybody that's not in the UK, But what would we be.

1473
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 1: We're not continentals, You're Americans. Yeah, So al right, back

1474
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 1: to this regulatory structure thing, this three thousand acre estate. Yeah,

1475
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,679
Speaker 1: it's got all three native species. Yeah, let's just focus

1476
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 1: on the native species. So they'll say there is a season, yeah,

1477
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: not determined by the landowner. Now, not determined. But that's

1478
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:57,520
Speaker 1: the government controlled thing. And does the government have biologists

1479
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: that will do a survey and say, like, you boys

1480
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 1: can shoot X dear on this property to an extent,

1481
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 1: but nothing like you guys do. Yeah, there will be

1482
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 1: some professional biologists that will enter into debates on how

1483
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:15,560
Speaker 1: we manage those populations, but nothing even close to what

1484
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 1: you guys do. I've never in the UK been asked

1485
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 1: to show a firearms license. I've never run into I mean,

1486
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 1: you think of all the hunting right, it's crazy, it's

1487
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,640
Speaker 1: crazy that how different it is. But you put a

1488
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 1: lot of money back in you've got those hunting licenses.

1489
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 1: That's tags a lot of it goes back into protecting

1490
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: what you've got. I think that's fantastic. With us, it's

1491
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 1: different because the private landowner can spend that money that

1492
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 1: he's made from the venison and they're selling the hunting

1493
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 1: on what everybody were likes, says Cash. What are the

1494
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 1: seasons like, yeah, we there's if you came over to

1495
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: the UK, there's always something you can hunt or you've

1496
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 1: got the munch out for a start. That seasons are

1497
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: pretty long then compared to what you guys have got

1498
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 1: like it's you know, you might have a few weeks,

1499
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 1: hours will be months. Would you be able to take

1500
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 1: us hunting here? Absolutely? If you want to have a

1501
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 1: crack at that? Yeah, are you? And the thing is

1502
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 1: I could get you. This is the crazy thing. You

1503
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: land at Heathrow or Gatwick, you could be hunting within

1504
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 1: an hour of getting off. You know, once you're at

1505
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 1: that airport, it's so and people that freaks people out.

1506
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: You know, I take people hunting on this land that

1507
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 1: you can see the middle of London and then you know,

1508
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 1: I think it's crazy, but that's what you have to

1509
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,759
Speaker 1: do with small land masses. But yeah, yeah, it's easy.

1510
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 1: Are you required to use a suppressor? Not required, but

1511
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 1: they're easier to get than they are over here, I believe.

1512
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: I mean, we did it in a different channel because

1513
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: they're professional hunters. We're all death because we're shooting so much. Right,

1514
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 1: so you're shooting like fifty d a year, you're out

1515
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 1: there was a lot. So we got to said this,

1516
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: we can we please get old and here a bit.

1517
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 1: So that's how we got the moderators, the suppressors, silents

1518
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call them. So very rarely

1519
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 1: they're just they're they're way more popular. I can't think

1520
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:08,679
Speaker 1: of a guy that I go hunting with it doesn't

1521
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 1: have a suppressor. Yeah, yeah, imagine in those like when

1522
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 1: you're shooting on small properties, were up, I don't want

1523
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 1: the neighbors here exactly, booms going on exactly. And I

1524
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:23,640
Speaker 1: grew up without suppressors. We all grew up not using them.

1525
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 1: And so the guys are like the next generational for me,

1526
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 1: they'll can't fucking here. So if you were licensed, fully licensed,

1527
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 1: open firearms, licensed, UM, and you lacked a place to

1528
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: go hunt, you just find that online and you could pay. Yeah,

1529
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 1: you could find it online. You could pay. There's normally

1530
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 1: people when you're at that level, there's normally people with

1531
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 1: dear problems, and we're quite a rarity, so you'd normally

1532
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 1: find people that want you to help out. Um. Yeah,

1533
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: it's a tiny, tiny sector in a huge population that's

1534
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 1: doing it. So you'll get a call occasionally from someone

1535
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 1: who's got an attack and the rose bushes. Yeah, exactly,

1536
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 1: that's exactly. What's the steps you have to take. I

1537
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 1: just need to deem the area safe to shoot and

1538
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,759
Speaker 1: then I can go out and manage that problem hopefully.

1539
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:17,679
Speaker 1: I mean just jumping back. Ashdown Forest is a perfect example.

1540
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 1: We're talking about this private hunting estate. It's only recently

1541
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 1: they allow deer management on that forest. The way they

1542
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:28,759
Speaker 1: manage deer populations on Ashdown Forest road traffic accidents, huge

1543
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: numbers of road traffic accidents, and because the conservators decided

1544
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,799
Speaker 1: hunting was cruel or not right, they wouldn't allow anybody

1545
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:41,679
Speaker 1: that's six thousand acres of deer just going out of control,

1546
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 1: spiraling out of control that nobody can manage. In the

1547
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 1: last few years they've changed that and I think they've

1548
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: got like half a dozen professional deer stalkers in deer

1549
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:52,560
Speaker 1: hunters in there now. There. I could be I'm not

1550
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 1: I know the lads that do it. I'm not there

1551
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 1: because I'm never looking at home. I mean the amount

1552
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 1: of time I'm behind a trigger, he stays. So I'm

1553
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 1: almost retired from it because I'm too busy selling the

1554
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:16,560
Speaker 1: virtues of spot Uh. I'm gonna go back to that

1555
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 1: that call you get from someone in that case, like

1556
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 1: someone you have a small property owner, Yeah, and they

1557
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 1: have a deer problem. Yeah. Uh, you still have to

1558
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:30,560
Speaker 1: go by the seasons, like whatever the seasons are, and

1559
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 1: what do you need to do? Do you need to

1560
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 1: does a biologist or someone need to confirm that there's

1561
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 1: a problem or are you able to determine as a problem.

1562
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 1: We determine there's a problem. Right If if Mrs Meiggin's

1563
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:43,600
Speaker 1: roses are being eaten and she's piste off with the

1564
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 1: deer doing it, she can phone me and say, look, Gearing,

1565
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 1: get over here and help me out with these days.

1566
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: Can you can you take a few out for me

1567
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 1: and then she can eat them. She can eat him.

1568
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 1: She might not want to eat him, but you can

1569
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 1: sell them. I can sell them. I can eat it myself.

1570
01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 1: I can do anything I like with that. What's that stuff? Like? Uh?

1571
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 1: Ballpark street market, commercial value? While venison's expensive. You sell

1572
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:10,639
Speaker 1: it on the hook and on the hoof, you sell

1573
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 1: it carcass week, carcass wait, so you'll sell it at

1574
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 1: the moment. The game dealer is almost a bit of

1575
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 1: a cartel. Sorry, guys, probably not gonna hate me for that,

1576
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,599
Speaker 1: but I think they all know each other. They set

1577
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 1: the price at the beginning of the season, so red

1578
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 1: deer you might get, you might get a pound a pound,

1579
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 1: so that's like a dollar fifty or dollar sixty for

1580
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,639
Speaker 1: a pound of meat for a No, that's on the hook,

1581
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 1: that's that's carcass way right. But it should. But when

1582
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 1: it gets into the if in the supermarkets and restaurants,

1583
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:45,960
Speaker 1: if it's wild venison, it will be like twelve quid

1584
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: for a pound there. But I don't know what that means.

1585
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 1: What's twenty dollars. Let's say, let's say pound huge money.

1586
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 1: We should be like pretty comparable to cry finished finished

1587
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 1: beef perfect. Were you glad to get out of the

1588
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 1: you or not? Um? I actually voted to get out,

1589
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 1: but for a different reason for many others, and it

1590
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 1: wasn't It was basically I was just fed up. They

1591
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 1: never signed their tax returns off. They're you they've never

1592
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: you know, there's loads of money that's gone off into

1593
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 1: the ether, a million bottles of champagne, and we can't

1594
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:21,800
Speaker 1: even manage our own government. You know. I think it's

1595
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 1: great that we're united. I just don't think we've grown

1596
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 1: up enough for it yet. Sorry guys. Yeah, my Mrs

1597
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 1: hates me because she's Maglie. She's French and she said

1598
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 1: you bustard, so she had to do a load of

1599
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,639
Speaker 1: extra paperwork to stay in the country. So sorry Magolie

1600
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: about that one. That's your wife. Yeah, with those market

1601
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 1: prayers is bet you don't get invaded playerss if you're

1602
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 1: a poor shot. If you're we won't invite people that

1603
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:50,640
Speaker 1: are poor shots. So so like those Scandinavians that come

1604
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 1: over and manage to deal with us, I'd say they're

1605
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 1: better shots than we are. They don't screw up. Yeah,

1606
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 1: they're very very They course they screw up, but they're

1607
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:00,120
Speaker 1: on it. You know, if you say the protocol is

1608
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:02,680
Speaker 1: this or it's all head shotting head shots today, lad,

1609
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 1: which is that pretty prevalent head shot? Now it's mostly

1610
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 1: head shooting, which slows your numbers down. I mean, but

1611
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 1: your your accuracy has to go up. Sore in the head,

1612
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 1: just at the back of the nut, yeah, around the neck.

1613
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 1: But I mean historically i'd comfortably shoot three or four

1614
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 1: deer in front of me. I can't do it head shooting,

1615
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'll get one and I'm sort of And

1616
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 1: the other thing is I want to make sure it's

1617
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 1: down and it stays down, because I've knocked a few

1618
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:32,719
Speaker 1: out in the time. Where you think it's a funny story,

1619
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 1: I mean, when I first made the bipod, I was

1620
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 1: with an old Scottish guy who was my mentor really

1621
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:39,799
Speaker 1: was like a second dad to me, and I popped

1622
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:44,080
Speaker 1: bipod down, shot this roebuck in the in the field.

1623
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 1: What you what noise you guys make for shooting like

1624
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 1: Latvians go? This is yeah whatever, I don't know, that's

1625
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 1: what I do. But anyway, between this, you guys, don't

1626
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 1: go back. I've shot this roebuck dropped like a soccer spud,

1627
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 1: shot the other one and then he said and get

1628
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 1: back up and just got up and run off. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1629
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:09,800
Speaker 1: and stayed at Mrs Meiggins's place, probably still at Mrs

1630
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 1: Meiggins's place. Yeah. Yeah. It's a crazy difference to what

1631
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 1: you guys have got so anybody out there that thinks

1632
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 1: America isn't cool when it comes to hunting, just it

1633
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:21,760
Speaker 1: could be a lot worse. That's all like that. Who

1634
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 1: thinks that? Well, I don't know, but I mean people

1635
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 1: could say if they happen to be I think it's

1636
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:29,599
Speaker 1: such a great opportunity that you can get anybody to say,

1637
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 1: I can go out and I'm pointing a wonderful scene

1638
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 1: or in pictures with a rifle. To me, it is

1639
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:39,439
Speaker 1: pretty epic. What's your advice to Americans? Hang on to

1640
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 1: what you've got and guard the gate. Yeah, hang on

1641
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 1: to what you've got. I mean, this is it's it's

1642
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:49,560
Speaker 1: it's a fantastic thing. I think Mr Roosevelt did a

1643
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:52,760
Speaker 1: good job for you lads many years back. And uh yeah,

1644
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 1: I think it's I admire admire what you have over here.

1645
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 1: I think it's I've done three public land hunts. I mean,

1646
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 1: I'd never get this in the UK. Came in and

1647
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 1: you'll what do you call it? The passport control officers?

1648
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 1: I guess the police, aren't they he said? He said,

1649
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 1: when you're coming in from another country, US customer, US

1650
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 1: custom He said, what are you here for? And I said,

1651
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to come and hunt elk and I'm going

1652
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:17,639
Speaker 1: to spend some money hunting. And he shook my hand

1653
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 1: and he said, good on you. I really wish that

1654
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 1: would never happen in the UK, that would nobody. What

1655
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 1: do you want about? Yeah, so I've had two of

1656
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 1: those sort of interesting discussions with the customs officers and

1657
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 1: I think it's brilliant. Can I ask you another way

1658
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:36,680
Speaker 1: of subject question? Yeah? Do you? I don't think the

1659
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 1: thing when I look at you guys country, the thing

1660
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 1: that just bareffles me the moles Man, is are you

1661
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 1: into the royal family? No, you're not a member of

1662
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,839
Speaker 1: the royal now. I'm well, we were probably blood relatives

1663
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 1: if you go back far enough. They've done a bit

1664
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 1: of shagging in their time. I'm sure I can't pay attention.

1665
01:36:57,240 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: I've given up just listening to news. I listened to

1666
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 1: Wow Jazira, get my facts and switch off again. And

1667
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm really not I'm not against some I think they

1668
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 1: bring a lot of money into the system, but I

1669
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 1: think they cost money. They cost a fortune, but they

1670
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 1: also bring a lot of You guys want to come

1671
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:16,599
Speaker 1: over and sit outside bucking and Palace and spank some cash.

1672
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:22,960
Speaker 1: It's not like a tall moneylot. No, no, no, I

1673
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 1: think the Queen actually, I've got a lot of time.

1674
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:27,599
Speaker 1: I think she's a good old bird. I think she's done.

1675
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:29,559
Speaker 1: She's done her a bit. But the rest of them

1676
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 1: you don't wake up in the morning day. And to

1677
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 1: know which those guys mad who, I don't even I

1678
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,760
Speaker 1: don't even pay any attention on. My life has been

1679
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 1: fly fishing, climbing in a big way, and hunting. When

1680
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:44,679
Speaker 1: you got into climbing, were you climbing internationally? Yeah, eyesight

1681
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 1: rock climbing because I couldn't get into hunting in a

1682
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 1: way I wanted to, so it took me all over

1683
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 1: the world night. I used to climb with a guy

1684
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,680
Speaker 1: called Simon Yates a lot. They did a film on

1685
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 1: him called Touching the Void. That is not a born film,

1686
01:37:56,920 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 1: that's a climbing film. And he's famous because he picked

1687
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 1: his mate off. But he's an interesting guy. Yeah. He

1688
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 1: took his Swiss translation, took a Swiss army knife and

1689
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 1: cut the fucking rope. Yeah, and then I didn't go

1690
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 1: and check to see if his mate was alive. And

1691
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 1: I completely with him on it. I mean, you've got

1692
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 1: to put yourself in that environment to judges. If you're

1693
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 1: sitting on the sofa judging somebody in that kind of environment,

1694
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 1: I think it's wrong. But he's a he's a pretty

1695
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 1: cool guy. So I've done a lot of climbing with

1696
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:32,720
Speaker 1: him in the past, Greenland him a laya um Patagonia. Yeah,

1697
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:34,639
Speaker 1: and I've done a bit in the States and such

1698
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:36,600
Speaker 1: like that. I'm too old for it now. And my

1699
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 1: Missy says, stick with the fly fish in the hunting,

1700
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, that's great. I've got a few years

1701
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 1: left in me. Here's the thing, dude, I'm really interested

1702
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 1: in how old people are now because if sitting where

1703
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm at did I could have another decade and still

1704
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:57,560
Speaker 1: be doing what I'm loving it. I'm loving it. And

1705
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 1: you know, I've got a wonderful team. That's Barton. There's

1706
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 1: the Queen of Spartan. She she's an Olympic clay pigeon shot,

1707
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 1: super cool. And I said, Hannah, the ship's fucking yours, right,

1708
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 1: I'm just going to want to go and play and

1709
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 1: enjoy the journey because I won't see the end game.

1710
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:14,720
Speaker 1: I will be expensive to run, right, And that's what

1711
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 1: I said, And that's and they've done a brilliant job. Yeah,

1712
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 1: how many how many employees? You guys go a tiny

1713
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 1: with twelve people? Yeah, yeah, it's really small and really

1714
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 1: women the wrong country. We need to be in the

1715
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 1: USA and we'll get hard if we did a business

1716
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:30,599
Speaker 1: plan about it. I soundn't too enough to tick all

1717
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:33,240
Speaker 1: those boxes. Yeah, I would love a green card? Can

1718
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 1: you get me a green card? But it's just it's no,

1719
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 1: I love what you've got. I could. I could see

1720
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:42,080
Speaker 1: myself settling here in a tiny little cabin on some

1721
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:44,760
Speaker 1: public land. I would really be happy about that. If

1722
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 1: an American company, Bart Spartan, does that give you a

1723
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:49,439
Speaker 1: green card? Oh yeah, I guess, I guess that would

1724
01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:51,760
Speaker 1: be part of the part of the part of the

1725
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 1: deal making process. Yeah. No, it's it's good fun. Yeah,

1726
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 1: you got to shoot some You need to get to

1727
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 1: Ireland as well. I know. I know Cally's drive around

1728
01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:07,560
Speaker 1: the book about Ireland. He's he's Irish, Yeah, I know that.

1729
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 1: And then he's got We've got a really good NTE

1730
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:12,720
Speaker 1: over there that's probably in on that Willow Mara. Yeah. Uh,

1731
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 1: And I've spoke It's been a while since I've spoken

1732
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 1: with him, but he's got a sweet said, he manages

1733
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 1: some some hunting ground over there, and then he also

1734
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:25,960
Speaker 1: hunts grouse on the on the cliffs above the sea,

1735
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 1: not close over. No, he's a super cool. They're south

1736
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:36,720
Speaker 1: to me. People got and chuck themselves off from all

1737
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 1: the time. Did you ever read that there's a great

1738
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:44,760
Speaker 1: essay called Legends of the Fall and it's a it's

1739
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:49,120
Speaker 1: a it's a long piece of reporting about people who've

1740
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:51,960
Speaker 1: jumped off the cliffs to commit suicide, but it gets

1741
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:54,559
Speaker 1: into this guy you probably heard the story jumps off

1742
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,639
Speaker 1: and lands on a ledge and then what he went

1743
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:01,439
Speaker 1: through to stay alive and survive and survived. Yeah, once

1744
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:05,919
Speaker 1: he hit that led, she was like, change my mind sometimes,

1745
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 1: like Jimmy Stewart right, and uh, it's a wonderful life.

1746
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:13,640
Speaker 1: But without the angel letting him see that town, you know,

1747
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 1: Mr Potter, And yeah, we gotta jump back to this

1748
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:24,040
Speaker 1: guard the gate thing. I would bet that you're going

1749
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 1: to find yourself in a situation where there's a hundred

1750
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:32,000
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand people amongst seventy million with firearms licenses.

1751
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 1: If all you worry about is guarding the gate, I understand.

1752
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 1: I think it is just going to be increasingly so

1753
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 1: defensive and minoritized to think in the way of just

1754
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 1: guard what we have. On proactivity you're talking about here

1755
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:59,080
Speaker 1: absolutely due the language like literally losing their rights every

1756
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:03,679
Speaker 1: day in there's all kinds of examples of hunting in America,

1757
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:09,240
Speaker 1: like leaning towards the European model, like absolutely absolutely. But

1758
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is is if all we care abridge

1759
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 1: the British is this idea of um, fuck you defend

1760
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:25,920
Speaker 1: what we have and like this this the picture that

1761
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 1: it pays for me is like nobody ever won anything

1762
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 1: by being behind the gate. I'm using three. I mean

1763
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:38,760
Speaker 1: by guarding the gate, well, guarding the gate. Then my

1764
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 1: meaning to that is open the doors, guys, and let

1765
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:45,400
Speaker 1: everybody have an opportunity to hunt right, make it popular.

1766
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:48,760
Speaker 1: Do what you're doing right, promote it. People watch your

1767
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:52,599
Speaker 1: program in the UK that aren't hunters right and they

1768
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 1: love it and they're going, oh, I'd like to have

1769
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 1: a crack at that. So do what protectionism is what

1770
01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 1: we're doing in the UK. It's not it doesn't work.

1771
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm here to prove that. But opening the doorway and

1772
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:08,719
Speaker 1: say anybody Mrs Niggins, little Jimmy can go hunting. That's brilliant.

1773
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 1: Keep it up. Well yeah, and Mrs Niggins is they're

1774
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 1: going to be a proponent of the situation if you're

1775
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 1: out there being proactive and handle it. Well, take the

1776
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 1: Danish it So in Denmark there's been a guy I know,

1777
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:25,280
Speaker 1: he said ten years ago, if he went into Copenhagen

1778
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 1: with a camo jacket on, it have almost got spat on.

1779
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 1: Now he goes into Denmark, it'll get five or six

1780
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:32,960
Speaker 1: people wanting to buy him a beer. And a beer

1781
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 1: in Denmark is a lot of money guys, and half

1782
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 1: of them will want to come and learn how to hunt.

1783
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:40,679
Speaker 1: And it's he's a hunter. Well he do this show

1784
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 1: about Denmark. Yeah, yeah, I could link you in with him,

1785
01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:48,519
Speaker 1: and he's he's it's women that want to eat good food.

1786
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 1: They don't want hormone and jet they don't want people

1787
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:54,560
Speaker 1: are fed up with eating craps. So suddenly venison or

1788
01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:59,320
Speaker 1: wild game is becoming hugely Yeah, and and the UK lesser. So,

1789
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 1: but there are more or more women getting in hunting

1790
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:04,559
Speaker 1: in the you guy as well. You know, I'm sort

1791
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 1: of a Danish film expert. Sorry, I'm a Danish film expert.

1792
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 1: Big Mad's Michelson fan like Fit Push three was that

1793
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 1: one he did Surviving in the Arctic. That was a

1794
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:21,640
Speaker 1: good movie, just like last couple of years he was

1795
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:25,479
Speaker 1: in the the new one where they stay drunk all

1796
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:31,000
Speaker 1: the time. Another round, another round, that's yeah, yeah, no, man,

1797
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:33,639
Speaker 1: I thought about quitting my job and going to get

1798
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 1: like a PhD in Danish cinema. There's another one he's

1799
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 1: in where there's like no words and he just walks

1800
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:44,680
Speaker 1: around killing people with an axe. Valhalla rising. Man, if

1801
01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 1: I had to if you came to me right now,

1802
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:48,320
Speaker 1: and if like God came to me right now with

1803
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:53,040
Speaker 1: a gun and he's like, you gotta pick American films

1804
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:56,760
Speaker 1: or Danish films, like without without a doubt, I would

1805
01:44:56,840 --> 01:45:00,600
Speaker 1: pick Danish films, not a doubt. Only disagree with what

1806
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 1: you're saying. I would like to hear why. It never

1807
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:09,439
Speaker 1: said why because every year, Uh, people lose is a

1808
01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 1: traditional why. But go ahead. In America, in this fifty states,

1809
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:19,599
Speaker 1: every year there is a reduction in people's hunting rights

1810
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:23,600
Speaker 1: in this country. Uh you just we just saw it

1811
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 1: right now. The most recent glaring example is Washington losing

1812
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:32,639
Speaker 1: their rights to hunt bears in the spring. Okay, Prior

1813
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:35,759
Speaker 1: to that, they lost their rights to hunt mountain lions

1814
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 1: with dogs, They lost their trapping privileges. Okay, you see

1815
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:44,320
Speaker 1: it everywhere all the time, Arizona. They will not stop

1816
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 1: every couple of years. There's another thing to ban cat hunting,

1817
01:45:48,240 --> 01:45:54,160
Speaker 1: main banning certain bear hunting practice. So I feel that

1818
01:45:54,360 --> 01:46:00,719
Speaker 1: it is essential to fight for maintaining traditional use practices

1819
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:03,200
Speaker 1: around hunting and fishing. A way to say that in

1820
01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:05,599
Speaker 1: shorthand would be, and I didn't come up with the term,

1821
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:07,680
Speaker 1: I don't know who did, would be that it is

1822
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:10,760
Speaker 1: necessary to guard the gate. Now that doesn't mean that

1823
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:12,679
Speaker 1: that's the only thing one should do with their time.

1824
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:16,439
Speaker 1: You should be doing a half dozen different things. I

1825
01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:18,519
Speaker 1: would say, you should be guarding the gate and guarding

1826
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:21,080
Speaker 1: the habitat. I get where cows coming from, because I

1827
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 1: think it comes back to kind of what we talked

1828
01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:24,720
Speaker 1: about with nu Gent, with Whackham and Stackham. It's just

1829
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:28,000
Speaker 1: it's it's I know, but I'm saying it's language that

1830
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 1: sounds maybe more aggressive and than than what is like

1831
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:35,640
Speaker 1: what the main intent is. I guess like guarding the

1832
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:38,639
Speaker 1: gate sounds like fuck you, you're not getting in. We're

1833
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:40,760
Speaker 1: going to fight for what we've always had, which I

1834
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:45,400
Speaker 1: think is definitely necessary. The semantics thing, yeah, I wasn't

1835
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:49,800
Speaker 1: attacking the semantics. Okay, I have a question, like, so

1836
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:53,400
Speaker 1: does anybody around this table taken somebody hunting that is

1837
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 1: at a shitty time They might be emotionally, but I

1838
01:46:56,360 --> 01:47:05,040
Speaker 1: have I want to tell you something I have. I

1839
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:08,080
Speaker 1: have taken plenty of people hunting who didn't go hunting. Again, yeah,

1840
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:13,639
Speaker 1: I have never ever taken someone hunting who I wish

1841
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 1: they hadn't gone. Ever. So we took a vegetarian that

1842
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:21,680
Speaker 1: was on our boat cooking for us in Greenland, who

1843
01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:24,439
Speaker 1: was a journalist and very up, but she was a vegan.

1844
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:26,960
Speaker 1: Then became now she's back to meet and she'd never

1845
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:29,960
Speaker 1: been hunting, and I said, come with us. So she didn't,

1846
01:47:29,960 --> 01:47:32,120
Speaker 1: and she had an epic time. And I love taking

1847
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 1: people out and it really enriches and doesn't it, you

1848
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:38,799
Speaker 1: know it really? And I think we've got nothing to hide,

1849
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 1: and we've got everything to promote, and if it's all

1850
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:47,200
Speaker 1: done right, fucking brilliant, bring it on. Just that's gate keeping,

1851
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:50,000
Speaker 1: I get it. I think if you yourself down to

1852
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:53,040
Speaker 1: know but nothing to hide, and just say open the

1853
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:55,760
Speaker 1: doors and that's what you guys. From my perspective, I

1854
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:57,640
Speaker 1: don't know all the rules and REGs over here. Far

1855
01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:00,040
Speaker 1: from it. I'm no expert. But that's what you do

1856
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:04,599
Speaker 1: so wonderfully. Well, just keep on promoting it. COVID kids

1857
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 1: locked away for two fucking years. You know what damage

1858
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:09,680
Speaker 1: has that done? Get them out, get him with the

1859
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 1: rifles going on at Turkey. I think it's brilliant because

1860
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:16,799
Speaker 1: that's what we cannot do without jumping through huge numbers

1861
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:20,559
Speaker 1: of hoops. And as I say, twenty years time, if

1862
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:22,920
Speaker 1: you don't promote it, well, you could be in the

1863
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:26,000
Speaker 1: same place we are, which is pretty guarding the gate.

1864
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:31,240
Speaker 1: Thing Like like when I look at my son just

1865
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:34,719
Speaker 1: started hunting, you know, he's ten. When I looked thirty

1866
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:39,080
Speaker 1: years out, I could easily see they're being way less

1867
01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 1: opportunities for him to hunt. If we don't guard the gate.

1868
01:48:42,400 --> 01:48:46,479
Speaker 1: I had a person he was the gate is not enough. Listen,

1869
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:51,519
Speaker 1: if if I said it's very important that I protect

1870
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:54,479
Speaker 1: my kids from being abducted, you'd be like, that is

1871
01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 1: not parenting. That's only part of parenting, like correct um

1872
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:02,880
Speaker 1: talking about among all the other things I do as

1873
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 1: a parent, I try to prevent them from being Let's

1874
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:12,360
Speaker 1: talk about Washington's uh failure to maintain spring bear hunting. Okay,

1875
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:15,760
Speaker 1: so if you waved the PAM and said, oh, okay,

1876
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 1: we got spring bear hunting, is that going to somehow

1877
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:23,160
Speaker 1: prevent the attack on spring bear hunting next year? No? No,

1878
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:25,680
Speaker 1: you gotta win it every time. It's not winning it

1879
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 1: every time, Like, that's not going to help, you know what, Colorado.

1880
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:31,360
Speaker 1: What we want to do is be proactive enough to

1881
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:33,479
Speaker 1: where these people go, oh, holy sh it, there's no

1882
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:39,160
Speaker 1: point in attacking spring bear hunting. But I think guarding

1883
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:41,880
Speaker 1: the gate and saying, God, we just gotta hold onto

1884
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:45,559
Speaker 1: what's ours is just not is just a short sighted,

1885
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:49,040
Speaker 1: too easy way of of saying this. It does not

1886
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:53,880
Speaker 1: because because the motivate the battle is shortsighted, the battle isn't.

1887
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:56,720
Speaker 1: It's not a long game anymore. It's like it's a

1888
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 1: very short game. They just lost it right now. It's

1889
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:02,080
Speaker 1: a very our game. There's not time right now to

1890
01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:05,400
Speaker 1: go change the global perspective of hunting in order to

1891
01:50:05,479 --> 01:50:09,559
Speaker 1: save You're not gonna like rosy up hunting. When people

1892
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:11,920
Speaker 1: in my battle, the people in Seattle are, they're gonna

1893
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:13,960
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I feel kind of bad about this something.

1894
01:50:15,400 --> 01:50:19,320
Speaker 1: Look at the amount of anti hunting legislation proposed every year,

1895
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:23,120
Speaker 1: and then look at the amount of pro hunting legislation

1896
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:25,720
Speaker 1: proposed every year. And I think that is going to

1897
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:28,559
Speaker 1: be a very important metric to what I'm talking about.

1898
01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:32,639
Speaker 1: Sitting back and letting other people dictate how we think

1899
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:35,880
Speaker 1: and move because it's we don't have any time. We

1900
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:39,760
Speaker 1: got to be protective, protective, protective. Right now, I don't

1901
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:41,599
Speaker 1: have any time. We're gonna let all these other people

1902
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:45,439
Speaker 1: dictate how we think about our hunting and fishing because

1903
01:50:45,479 --> 01:50:48,320
Speaker 1: we're on the defense all the time. Is not going

1904
01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:52,400
Speaker 1: to win cal question Chinese, they've played the really really

1905
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:57,040
Speaker 1: long long game question. Well, my daddy's telling me his

1906
01:50:57,160 --> 01:50:59,720
Speaker 1: favorite Chinese proverb, you have to tell me if this

1907
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:02,920
Speaker 1: if us right or wrong? Many hands from an oil

1908
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:11,840
Speaker 1: Italian man, Many hands make light work questions. I've heard that,

1909
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:16,559
Speaker 1: did you hear from you Chinese relatives? Americans? Rob's got

1910
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:19,600
Speaker 1: a question? Robs got a question. So, just from my

1911
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 1: from the bridge perspective, why have they banned the bear hunting? Uh?

1912
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:30,559
Speaker 1: Basically the argument was, we don't know enough about bears.

1913
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:36,960
Speaker 1: The population studies aren't complete, and that was how the

1914
01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:41,280
Speaker 1: Washington Game Commission kind of like came to a null

1915
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:46,040
Speaker 1: vote on the bear issue. That's not what they were

1916
01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:48,559
Speaker 1: talking about. That is not what they were talking about.

1917
01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:51,200
Speaker 1: That was what they used to get a thing that

1918
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:53,639
Speaker 1: they had already determined they wanted. So they see baby

1919
01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:56,200
Speaker 1: c stuff propaganda again. And which do you know what

1920
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:58,400
Speaker 1: they're doing in California right now. Here's how they're trying

1921
01:51:58,439 --> 01:52:00,559
Speaker 1: to end bear hunting in California right now. They're trying

1922
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:04,800
Speaker 1: to say, we've seen increased forest fires. Until we better

1923
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:09,920
Speaker 1: understand what these increased forest fires might mean for bear populations,

1924
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:12,400
Speaker 1: we better stop hunting them. And you'll have some people

1925
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 1: be like, oh that makes yeah, because you know what

1926
01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:17,000
Speaker 1: their sense, you know what is in their head already.

1927
01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:19,440
Speaker 1: So they they're killing bears they see is an emotional

1928
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 1: thing they see people not like you have to fight.

1929
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:25,559
Speaker 1: We have this ongoing debate here. We have this ongoing

1930
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:30,640
Speaker 1: debate in Northern Rockies is like what about have have

1931
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:33,040
Speaker 1: grizzly bears recovered to the point where they could be

1932
01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:37,240
Speaker 1: state managed and potentially hunted. No one argues, No one

1933
01:52:37,479 --> 01:52:40,400
Speaker 1: argues have grizzly bears been recovered? What they argue is

1934
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:42,800
Speaker 1: what have you thought about this? Have you thought about that?

1935
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:46,639
Speaker 1: So originally is like, have you thought about what would

1936
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:52,200
Speaker 1: happen if cutthroat trout collapsed? So don't don't do that

1937
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:54,160
Speaker 1: until you can prove me that. Okay, here's what that

1938
01:52:54,200 --> 01:52:57,160
Speaker 1: would look like and in in in fact, only like

1939
01:52:57,520 --> 01:52:59,439
Speaker 1: nine percent of bears for a couple of weeks out

1940
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:02,560
Speaker 1: of the year access cutthroat trout. Things. Okay, tell me

1941
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:05,599
Speaker 1: this one. Tell me this one. What if white bark

1942
01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:09,559
Speaker 1: pine blister rust was to be worse than it is now?

1943
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:12,040
Speaker 1: Answer that for me. Then you go and be like, okay,

1944
01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:14,400
Speaker 1: well we're looking at you see like ten percent survival rates,

1945
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:18,240
Speaker 1: so over time would be this and then this. Okay, okay,

1946
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:21,479
Speaker 1: never mind that one. Then tell me this, right, it's

1947
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:25,639
Speaker 1: never they're never questioning the actual question. So there's no science. Really,

1948
01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:28,559
Speaker 1: it's all science. It's all it's all science, but it's

1949
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:31,200
Speaker 1: all it's it's like, you take a thing you know

1950
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:33,599
Speaker 1: you want to happen. You don't want people in Washington

1951
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:35,760
Speaker 1: hunting bears in the spring. How do I do that?

1952
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:37,800
Speaker 1: I can't just say I don't want them to do it.

1953
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:40,519
Speaker 1: I have to go say, let me think I got it.

1954
01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:48,160
Speaker 1: I don't like your science. Yeah. In Washington is you

1955
01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 1: have a governor that is not supportive, and they've appointed

1956
01:53:53,880 --> 01:54:00,599
Speaker 1: game commissioners that oppose each other, and basically it's stalled

1957
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:03,920
Speaker 1: out the process in a way that did not favor

1958
01:54:04,360 --> 01:54:08,120
Speaker 1: bear hunting in the state. So surely one one string

1959
01:54:08,200 --> 01:54:10,719
Speaker 1: to the bow here would be to better educate people

1960
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:14,840
Speaker 1: on the prose of bear hunting. Yeah. And and we

1961
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:18,920
Speaker 1: just went over one of the game commissioners. Yeah. And

1962
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:21,599
Speaker 1: I think education is always going to be a huge

1963
01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:23,720
Speaker 1: part of this great part of guarding the gate. Yeah,

1964
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:26,000
Speaker 1: And that's where I think we will come together. What

1965
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:27,400
Speaker 1: do we say, Olier, what was at the top of

1966
01:54:27,439 --> 01:54:31,160
Speaker 1: the umbrella earlier? And fault and under fault is like

1967
01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:35,880
Speaker 1: forgot distracted? Okay, guard the gate, under guard the gate.

1968
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 1: It's a big umbrella, legislation, education, pr Okay, And you

1969
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:47,560
Speaker 1: can take what you can pick one of those spots.

1970
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:50,680
Speaker 1: But you're guarding the gate. Cow, Isn't that what you

1971
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:53,280
Speaker 1: just because it sounds so pugnacious, Oh, I think it

1972
01:54:53,400 --> 01:54:56,240
Speaker 1: just sounds weak. I'm a small man behind the gate.

1973
01:54:56,920 --> 01:54:59,680
Speaker 1: Don't cross this gate, you know. I want to be

1974
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 1: on the other side of the gate people and telling

1975
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:05,040
Speaker 1: them this is why we do things. Okay, if this

1976
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:07,600
Speaker 1: is how it's done. If it's a branding issue, let

1977
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:10,000
Speaker 1: me ask you this. If it's a branding issue, because

1978
01:55:10,120 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 1: I know that you that you that I know that

1979
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:15,120
Speaker 1: you're supportive of hunting rights. If it's a branding issue,

1980
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:19,040
Speaker 1: brand it better for me, Like what you would call

1981
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:22,240
Speaker 1: if you had to make a rallying cry. Not around

1982
01:55:22,280 --> 01:55:25,600
Speaker 1: defending the environment, which I think is very important, not

1983
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:29,160
Speaker 1: around defending habitat, which I think is very important. Okay,

1984
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:32,600
Speaker 1: but this part of the issue, this portion of the issue,

1985
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:37,240
Speaker 1: how would you brand it? I think it's branded under

1986
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:39,960
Speaker 1: being a hunter? What about the health of the hunter,

1987
01:55:40,160 --> 01:55:43,040
Speaker 1: the health of hunting? You know, is that offensive to you?

1988
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:47,400
Speaker 1: The health of hunting? Why would that be offensive to me, Steve,

1989
01:55:47,480 --> 01:55:50,320
Speaker 1: because guarding the gates offensive to you? Don't like? Yeah,

1990
01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:53,000
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would like the sound of it.

1991
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:58,560
Speaker 1: It's like a prepper mental. You got to call it something,

1992
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:03,400
Speaker 1: the health, and it's what people call it. It does

1993
01:56:03,480 --> 01:56:07,360
Speaker 1: sound pre man. I think clickbait is great, like people

1994
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:10,480
Speaker 1: are going to click on that, but I don't think

1995
01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:14,320
Speaker 1: it is the thing that's going to solve our issues, right,

1996
01:56:14,520 --> 01:56:17,320
Speaker 1: It's like I disagree because it does though. It does

1997
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:19,880
Speaker 1: when they tried to when they tried to ban when

1998
01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:21,880
Speaker 1: they tried to ban bear, Like the last time they

1999
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:24,200
Speaker 1: tried to ban all cat hunting in Arizona, they beat it.

2000
01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:26,080
Speaker 1: The last time they tried to ban all bear hunting,

2001
01:56:26,120 --> 01:56:29,520
Speaker 1: and why Maine, they beat it. They beat it, They

2002
01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:31,320
Speaker 1: guarded the gate whatever you want to call Yeah, you

2003
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:33,680
Speaker 1: gotta call it something. It's like all the things you

2004
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:42,880
Speaker 1: do under that umbrella. Listen when people go, oh, a hunter,

2005
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:48,240
Speaker 1: that means all of this other stuff and oh, by

2006
01:56:48,280 --> 01:56:51,480
Speaker 1: the way, they kill stuff to eat it. But they're

2007
01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:54,680
Speaker 1: the ones that are the ones that are uh pro

2008
01:56:55,000 --> 01:57:00,040
Speaker 1: clean water, their pro wildlife, their pro habitat. It's so

2009
01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:03,360
Speaker 1: you're talking like more of a hunting is conservation thing

2010
01:57:05,960 --> 01:57:09,480
Speaker 1: human being. I think most people would be pro hunting

2011
01:57:09,720 --> 01:57:15,640
Speaker 1: if they better understood it. And that's that's It's just

2012
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:19,880
Speaker 1: it's easy to dislike something you don't know about. It's

2013
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:23,320
Speaker 1: easy to have a little snippet of information. And I'm

2014
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:25,560
Speaker 1: guilty of it. You know, I listen a little bit

2015
01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:27,960
Speaker 1: on your podcast or something, I think I'm suddenly an expert.

2016
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:30,680
Speaker 1: I haven't heard the whole story and so many it's

2017
01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:33,720
Speaker 1: human nature to judge on the knowledge. You know. If

2018
01:57:33,760 --> 01:57:36,280
Speaker 1: we do a better job at selling the virtues of

2019
01:57:36,360 --> 01:57:39,640
Speaker 1: what we do, which is pretty cool, I think that's

2020
01:57:39,680 --> 01:57:41,920
Speaker 1: the way to win this. I don't think that that

2021
01:57:42,120 --> 01:57:46,800
Speaker 1: will make It's like, here's the thing I just gonna say,

2022
01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:48,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that thing, right, have to say my

2023
01:57:48,280 --> 01:57:50,040
Speaker 1: wife like, I just want to do this, and so

2024
01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:52,640
Speaker 1: he keeps saying the same thing. Or we're over in

2025
01:57:52,760 --> 01:57:58,280
Speaker 1: different ways a hunter and outdoors and whatever. There's a

2026
01:57:58,360 --> 01:58:00,360
Speaker 1: lot of things you need to be doing. A lot

2027
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:02,200
Speaker 1: of things you need to be doing. One of them

2028
01:58:02,360 --> 01:58:06,040
Speaker 1: is you need to be active in defending your rights

2029
01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:09,600
Speaker 1: as a hunter. You need to It's like that's a

2030
01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:11,880
Speaker 1: pillar or what do you call like, like, that's a

2031
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:15,080
Speaker 1: plank in the platform, a plank in the platform, I

2032
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:16,840
Speaker 1: would say, further word pro in there, and you need

2033
01:58:16,840 --> 01:58:23,800
Speaker 1: to be proactive. Oh okay, and wait for an email

2034
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:26,320
Speaker 1: to show up and be like, oh god. And that's

2035
01:58:26,360 --> 01:58:29,839
Speaker 1: something like we didn't need to do when we were fourteen.

2036
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:32,720
Speaker 1: That's not true. We should have been doing it first.

2037
01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:38,200
Speaker 1: The first big sweep, the first big sweep of of

2038
01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:45,960
Speaker 1: trapping bands hit in in around. It was like the

2039
01:58:46,040 --> 01:58:49,000
Speaker 1: minute Colorado had more people in Denver and Fort Collins,

2040
01:58:49,800 --> 01:58:52,200
Speaker 1: it was like the tripping point. Yeah, I'm saying like

2041
01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:56,600
Speaker 1: in the eighties, this was not like we just weren't

2042
01:58:56,600 --> 01:58:58,400
Speaker 1: aware that it would need to be a thing, and

2043
01:58:58,480 --> 01:59:00,920
Speaker 1: it became a thing. It became him a thing, and

2044
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:03,680
Speaker 1: now it's like part of hunting. It's very much a

2045
01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:05,760
Speaker 1: part of hunting that you need to do these things

2046
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:07,440
Speaker 1: and if if you want to be a hunt because

2047
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:10,680
Speaker 1: every year there's a thing every year, just thing. I

2048
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:15,800
Speaker 1: don't I get I understand, Like I feel that cal

2049
01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:19,040
Speaker 1: is making an aesthetic argument. I don't think he's making

2050
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:22,960
Speaker 1: a substantive argument. It's aesthetics. Well, I don't think he can.

2051
01:59:24,920 --> 01:59:28,240
Speaker 1: I don't think it means that you somehow dismiss the

2052
01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:33,000
Speaker 1: threats to hunting by saying I don't like guard the gate. Correct,

2053
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:36,840
Speaker 1: but it sounds like it. I I don't understand how

2054
01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:41,800
Speaker 1: it does. It just does because because you've embraced it.

2055
01:59:42,440 --> 01:59:49,720
Speaker 1: That's why it does. I get it. I don't care

2056
01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:53,600
Speaker 1: about I could I could live my whole life proactivity.

2057
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:55,640
Speaker 1: I could live my whole life and is be and

2058
01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:58,680
Speaker 1: be whatever level of effective I am, right Now I

2059
01:59:58,720 --> 02:00:01,000
Speaker 1: could be as a factive of for my whole life

2060
02:00:01,120 --> 02:00:03,240
Speaker 1: and never use the three words guard the gate. I

2061
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:07,840
Speaker 1: don't need those words. In fact, it was it was no,

2062
02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:10,800
Speaker 1: I don't because because it didn't. It didn't convince you.

2063
02:00:11,120 --> 02:00:12,640
Speaker 1: And you're one of the You're one of the people

2064
02:00:12,680 --> 02:00:15,120
Speaker 1: I look to to like you want to look people

2065
02:00:15,160 --> 02:00:17,720
Speaker 1: I look to to frame my opinions. So it didn't

2066
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:20,240
Speaker 1: work on you. Now it's making me question the slogan.

2067
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:25,040
Speaker 1: All right, But in America, in the political world, whatever,

2068
02:00:25,160 --> 02:00:27,840
Speaker 1: we find slogans like we know what the neo khan is,

2069
02:00:28,240 --> 02:00:31,360
Speaker 1: we know what mega means. Right, It's like there's ways

2070
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:35,320
Speaker 1: of capturing there's ways of capturing a pattern of thought.

2071
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:40,320
Speaker 1: What a paleocon like I say, Like that individual's a

2072
02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:42,400
Speaker 1: paleoconi like, Okay, I kind of got it. I could

2073
02:00:42,440 --> 02:00:47,760
Speaker 1: fill in the blanks about that person's belief system. Um it.

2074
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:55,520
Speaker 1: It is a it's a term for a portion of

2075
02:00:55,760 --> 02:01:01,080
Speaker 1: our responsibility. I don't think if you're if you're an

2076
02:01:01,160 --> 02:01:05,000
Speaker 1: environmentalist or conservationist, pro habitat whatever, I don't think that

2077
02:01:05,080 --> 02:01:08,440
Speaker 1: that then gives you cover to turn to blind eye.

2078
02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:16,680
Speaker 1: Two people losing hunting rights that are sustainable practices. I've

2079
02:01:16,720 --> 02:01:20,640
Speaker 1: had this conversation with multiple leaders of conservation groups and

2080
02:01:20,680 --> 02:01:22,280
Speaker 1: they'll tell you, oh, we don't want to get involved

2081
02:01:22,280 --> 02:01:24,600
Speaker 1: in method to take arguments. I'm like, then you're not

2082
02:01:24,720 --> 02:01:28,760
Speaker 1: serving you're you're not serving your constituent. You can't pick

2083
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:31,240
Speaker 1: and choose. You have to be involved in method to

2084
02:01:31,320 --> 02:01:35,280
Speaker 1: take fights. You can't act like you're representing hunters and anglers.

2085
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:37,120
Speaker 1: But you won't get involved in the method to take

2086
02:01:37,240 --> 02:01:39,480
Speaker 1: argument because you want to stay above the fray and

2087
02:01:39,560 --> 02:01:43,520
Speaker 1: not piss off some potential donor who thinks hunting is okay,

2088
02:01:43,600 --> 02:01:45,800
Speaker 1: but all forms of it are kind of mean by

2089
02:01:45,880 --> 02:01:49,400
Speaker 1: like the general idea of it. You can't do that.

2090
02:01:52,160 --> 02:01:55,680
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with that. All right, thanks for joining

2091
02:01:55,800 --> 02:02:04,720
Speaker 1: rob is the I would blame where we are today

2092
02:02:04,800 --> 02:02:08,839
Speaker 1: on two things. One supermarket's people buy meat in packets

2093
02:02:08,920 --> 02:02:11,240
Speaker 1: now they don't even consider it's a living thing. I'm

2094
02:02:11,280 --> 02:02:13,240
Speaker 1: guilty of it. And the other thing is too many

2095
02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:16,320
Speaker 1: bloody documentaries on nature showing the pretty side and not

2096
02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:19,880
Speaker 1: the ugly side. You know, show us an elephant starving out,

2097
02:02:19,960 --> 02:02:21,960
Speaker 1: show us a line getting killed by young lions. We

2098
02:02:22,040 --> 02:02:25,120
Speaker 1: don't see that. You don't You don't go on a

2099
02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:28,440
Speaker 1: Nature's Medal. I haven't watched I probably am guilty of

2100
02:02:28,520 --> 02:02:30,400
Speaker 1: that fact. I don't watch enough TV, but I haven't

2101
02:02:30,440 --> 02:02:32,600
Speaker 1: been able to find those programs. Just go to Nature's

2102
02:02:32,600 --> 02:02:37,920
Speaker 1: Medal on Instagram. My current, like giant looming evil is

2103
02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:40,840
Speaker 1: fake meat. Yeah, Like I think fake meat is going

2104
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:44,120
Speaker 1: to lead to exactly what you're talking about. Right, It's

2105
02:02:44,160 --> 02:02:47,200
Speaker 1: like meat comes from the supermarket. Well, now meat comes

2106
02:02:47,280 --> 02:02:50,720
Speaker 1: from a lab A hard time getting round. I wouldn't

2107
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:53,680
Speaker 1: even this is this is why you should because I

2108
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:56,160
Speaker 1: I feel like I should, but I can't. You're taking

2109
02:02:56,400 --> 02:03:01,440
Speaker 1: you're taking the agriculture, which okay, we have sixty million

2110
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:03,480
Speaker 1: acres of what we consider to be public lands in

2111
02:03:03,480 --> 02:03:07,520
Speaker 1: the United States. Right, we have over nine fifty million

2112
02:03:07,600 --> 02:03:11,520
Speaker 1: acres of land dedicated to agricultural use in the United States.

2113
02:03:12,920 --> 02:03:16,840
Speaker 1: What happens to that land that's dedicated to agricultural use

2114
02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:20,280
Speaker 1: for all the you know, supposed evils of let's say,

2115
02:03:20,360 --> 02:03:23,360
Speaker 1: like the beef industry, if that's not where beef comes

2116
02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:29,640
Speaker 1: from anymore, or work a shipload of condos right right?

2117
02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:33,640
Speaker 1: And and that is the thing, like that is like

2118
02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:37,000
Speaker 1: the tipping point for me of where all these open

2119
02:03:37,080 --> 02:03:39,960
Speaker 1: spaces where whether you think they're in production or not

2120
02:03:40,240 --> 02:03:42,400
Speaker 1: because they don't have a golf course or condo on them.

2121
02:03:42,840 --> 02:03:45,600
Speaker 1: Are actually out there doing the best job they can

2122
02:03:45,800 --> 02:03:49,240
Speaker 1: in cleaning our water, cleaning our air, and you know,

2123
02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:53,240
Speaker 1: providing some open space for God's sake. About the fake

2124
02:03:53,320 --> 02:03:56,520
Speaker 1: meats thing is that they'll then say a cow requires

2125
02:03:57,040 --> 02:04:00,560
Speaker 1: x amount of acres that in the American West, Like, yeah,

2126
02:04:00,600 --> 02:04:06,160
Speaker 1: but that acreage isn't just hosting that cow exactly. Yeah,

2127
02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:09,240
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's hosting all the mechanisms of life

2128
02:04:09,880 --> 02:04:15,280
Speaker 1: for for our food production, right like open rain, sure, yeah, pollinators. Well,

2129
02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:17,200
Speaker 1: in the end, we're just going to be boring a

2130
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:20,680
Speaker 1: mebs that just live here and do nothing. I don't

2131
02:04:20,720 --> 02:04:23,160
Speaker 1: fantasy that. I like to go out hunting. I like

2132
02:04:23,280 --> 02:04:24,840
Speaker 1: to go climbing, I like to go fishing. I'll like

2133
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:27,400
Speaker 1: to see all these fantastic places. And you know, well,

2134
02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to eat fight mate, because twenty years

2135
02:04:30,520 --> 02:04:31,840
Speaker 1: down the line, do we know what it's going to

2136
02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:33,440
Speaker 1: do to us? We don't have a clue, do we.

2137
02:04:34,120 --> 02:04:36,800
Speaker 1: I don't care. Like, here's the thing, man about that

2138
02:04:37,360 --> 02:04:40,160
Speaker 1: I don't do but I don't. It's not It doesn't

2139
02:04:40,200 --> 02:04:43,840
Speaker 1: bother me when people do you know, Like I don't.

2140
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:46,520
Speaker 1: I don't. Uh, there's all kinds of things I don't

2141
02:04:46,600 --> 02:04:50,240
Speaker 1: engage in, and I don't care for other people engage

2142
02:04:50,240 --> 02:04:52,160
Speaker 1: in it, Like I don't like a duty eting a

2143
02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:57,160
Speaker 1: dude eating lab me Like I said, I just can't

2144
02:04:57,200 --> 02:04:59,760
Speaker 1: find it in me to be offended or nervous because

2145
02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't care if the whole world they

2146
02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:04,600
Speaker 1: lab meeting. How do you dear meat that's meat raised

2147
02:05:04,640 --> 02:05:07,640
Speaker 1: in a lab, cultured in a lab, not Labrador retriever meat.

2148
02:05:09,600 --> 02:05:18,280
Speaker 1: Everybody doesn't need anything that jokes run its course over

2149
02:05:22,360 --> 02:05:25,440
Speaker 1: thanks to joining round, no pleasure, really enjoyed it. We're

2150
02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:28,240
Speaker 1: too next for you. So I'm down to Australia in

2151
02:05:28,280 --> 02:05:31,920
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and then hopefully Tasmania for a few.

2152
02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:33,920
Speaker 1: I've never been to Tasmania. I've got to try it.

2153
02:05:34,480 --> 02:05:36,440
Speaker 1: Just picked up a new scott Rod. It's got to go.

2154
02:05:37,120 --> 02:05:40,360
Speaker 1: So be rude, not too, wouldn't it? Would you know?

2155
02:05:40,440 --> 02:05:42,920
Speaker 1: They got some islands out there where the Tasmanian Devils

2156
02:05:42,960 --> 02:05:46,640
Speaker 1: have HIV. Yeah, yeah, they're not saying very well in

2157
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:50,360
Speaker 1: a bad way. Yeah it's yeah, there's there, we got

2158
02:05:50,440 --> 02:05:55,880
Speaker 1: there's Yeah, it's a wild world out there real quick? Uh, first,

2159
02:05:56,440 --> 02:06:04,160
Speaker 1: you're serious? Yes, how did the what was the transition pathway? Oh?

2160
02:06:04,520 --> 02:06:08,480
Speaker 1: I have no idea. There's a really they're trying to

2161
02:06:08,520 --> 02:06:11,680
Speaker 1: save the Tasmanian devil. At one point they put a

2162
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:17,680
Speaker 1: colony of them on to some islands um and some

2163
02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:25,160
Speaker 1: sexually transmitted diseases got into that population. And yeah, I

2164
02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:28,200
Speaker 1: want to say one of them was HIV. Yeah, they know,

2165
02:06:28,440 --> 02:06:32,120
Speaker 1: they know got chlamydia right, Yeah, I'm chlamydia is a

2166
02:06:32,240 --> 02:06:37,840
Speaker 1: deal for for the Tasmanian Devils too. Phil, a little

2167
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:47,160
Speaker 1: phil joke. What there's a thing like Koalas are riddled

2168
02:06:47,160 --> 02:06:49,920
Speaker 1: with clamidia right now, it's hard on them. And I

2169
02:06:50,120 --> 02:06:53,840
Speaker 1: was saying that was filled. That was just phil joke. Yeah, Phil,

2170
02:06:55,160 --> 02:07:00,800
Speaker 1: domestic sheep get a bad job. Oh it's too dark,

2171
02:07:01,400 --> 02:07:05,880
Speaker 1: Ignore it, stupid pilot. That are you saying that I

2172
02:07:06,520 --> 02:07:09,480
Speaker 1: was hanging out with Koalas and things happened? Can you

2173
02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:12,920
Speaker 1: either cut it out? Can you make the joke? Couldn't

2174
02:07:12,920 --> 02:07:14,240
Speaker 1: think of a different joke and put it in there?

2175
02:07:14,280 --> 02:07:16,280
Speaker 1: And I think that's good prettys humor. There's a lot

2176
02:07:16,280 --> 02:07:18,000
Speaker 1: of Brits that would really find that I was one

2177
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:20,240
Speaker 1: of the worst jokes, stupidest jokes I ever made. Yeah,

2178
02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:22,720
Speaker 1: I agree, I regret it. Okay, what can I say

2179
02:07:23,080 --> 02:07:25,320
Speaker 1: tell people how to go buy? What? What's the like?

2180
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:27,760
Speaker 1: Tell like if you had to pick like one asset,

2181
02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:33,520
Speaker 1: one thing, that would be like this captures um spartan bipods,

2182
02:07:33,600 --> 02:07:36,440
Speaker 1: you'd be like, I would have them, see my I

2183
02:07:36,600 --> 02:07:39,760
Speaker 1: actually am more sort of I really like our little

2184
02:07:39,800 --> 02:07:41,800
Speaker 1: tripod unit. No, no, I mean I mean that that.

2185
02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, like, what were they so? So it's a

2186
02:07:44,040 --> 02:07:48,160
Speaker 1: weight issue, so really stupidly light right, very very strong.

2187
02:07:48,720 --> 02:07:50,760
Speaker 1: You clip them on when you need them, and you

2188
02:07:50,840 --> 02:07:53,160
Speaker 1: take them off when you don't. For me, that's that

2189
02:07:53,280 --> 02:07:55,960
Speaker 1: bit of real estate under the rifle. You use a bipod?

2190
02:07:56,040 --> 02:08:00,200
Speaker 1: What so infrequently? Why do we keep it on the rifle? Yeah,

2191
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:05,080
Speaker 1: Bay Park. It's a little receiver. The receiver screws into

2192
02:08:05,160 --> 02:08:09,320
Speaker 1: the sling swivel stone and becomes the provides the sling.

2193
02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:11,000
Speaker 1: We don't really know it's there, and then you need

2194
02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:12,960
Speaker 1: to stick the thing in your on your waistbelt hour

2195
02:08:13,040 --> 02:08:15,880
Speaker 1: sometimes to carry on my back pocket. They're easy to use,

2196
02:08:16,120 --> 02:08:19,240
Speaker 1: they were just there. They're really an excuse of why

2197
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:21,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't you take a bipod that's what we've done because

2198
02:08:21,960 --> 02:08:24,120
Speaker 1: there's a mountain hunter or whatever. I probably wouldn't have

2199
02:08:24,200 --> 02:08:27,680
Speaker 1: taken one many years ago, but that now, because it's

2200
02:08:27,720 --> 02:08:30,440
Speaker 1: so light and it's there, I can. The other thing

2201
02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:32,680
Speaker 1: that the bipod does that many don't do well is

2202
02:08:32,720 --> 02:08:35,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of canton rotations, so you can follow

2203
02:08:35,080 --> 02:08:36,840
Speaker 1: a target and you can can't because the ground ain't

2204
02:08:36,880 --> 02:08:39,880
Speaker 1: sucking even is it up there, you know, it's very unstable,

2205
02:08:39,960 --> 02:08:41,840
Speaker 1: and so to be able to lob your bike rifle

2206
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:44,879
Speaker 1: on get a stable shot. I mean we get shiploads

2207
02:08:44,920 --> 02:08:46,440
Speaker 1: of people come back and said, I've just done this

2208
02:08:46,520 --> 02:08:49,360
Speaker 1: and done this, it's brilliant. I think we're doing something right.

2209
02:08:49,400 --> 02:08:51,520
Speaker 1: We can always do it better. We're not perfect, far

2210
02:08:51,640 --> 02:08:54,320
Speaker 1: from it, but we try bloody hard and we're not arrogant.

2211
02:08:54,360 --> 02:08:56,840
Speaker 1: We listen, how long do you think I've had one

2212
02:08:56,840 --> 02:08:59,920
Speaker 1: of these where you've been one of the first one time? Yeah,

2213
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:01,680
Speaker 1: it's got to be five years, there, isn't it? Five

2214
02:09:01,800 --> 02:09:03,920
Speaker 1: or six years? I would say, and I will still

2215
02:09:04,320 --> 02:09:09,880
Speaker 1: The magnet on that original biopod is so strong that

2216
02:09:10,440 --> 02:09:12,400
Speaker 1: even though I've had a lot of experience with them,

2217
02:09:13,000 --> 02:09:15,160
Speaker 1: I catch myself thinking like, oh, did they add like

2218
02:09:15,200 --> 02:09:18,680
Speaker 1: a lock into this if if, if it ever malfunctions

2219
02:09:19,120 --> 02:09:21,680
Speaker 1: because you got you picked up a metal burd from somewhere. Yeah,

2220
02:09:22,400 --> 02:09:24,720
Speaker 1: you do come to realize there's a lot of there's

2221
02:09:24,760 --> 02:09:28,000
Speaker 1: a magnetism in the earth exactly exactly, and we do

2222
02:09:28,080 --> 02:09:30,520
Speaker 1: a military version with a locking system. I mean, they're

2223
02:09:30,560 --> 02:09:32,520
Speaker 1: coming out. There's lots of stuff we're doing. But that's

2224
02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:35,400
Speaker 1: not my back. So uh, one more question for you,

2225
02:09:35,560 --> 02:09:38,880
Speaker 1: go on for our next euro report, Like, I don't

2226
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:41,200
Speaker 1: I want to go h you know, hid when you're

2227
02:09:41,200 --> 02:09:44,040
Speaker 1: tightening your lug nuts, yeah, you don't just go around

2228
02:09:44,080 --> 02:09:46,800
Speaker 1: in a circle. Yeah right you yeah, you go like,

2229
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:50,680
Speaker 1: uh yeah, diagonal whatever. So Madge, we're doing Europe like

2230
02:09:50,720 --> 02:09:52,920
Speaker 1: you're tightening lug nuts. Yeah. I don't want to go

2231
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:55,920
Speaker 1: to to the next lug nut. What what consciens should

2232
02:09:55,920 --> 02:09:59,160
Speaker 1: we do? I'd probably pick an Eastern European country or

2233
02:09:59,200 --> 02:10:02,320
Speaker 1: go right in the middle and do France. That be crazy, Yeah,

2234
02:10:02,360 --> 02:10:04,960
Speaker 1: but that's like your neighbor. Yeah, but are they real different?

2235
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:10,720
Speaker 1: They are totally different. Yeah. Yeah, but you've got every

2236
02:10:10,840 --> 02:10:13,920
Speaker 1: country will give you a different flavor, you know, it's

2237
02:10:14,040 --> 02:10:16,840
Speaker 1: it's they're so so different. I want to do Finland. Man,

2238
02:10:16,920 --> 02:10:19,400
Speaker 1: Finland would be brilliant. We've got some good finished buddies

2239
02:10:19,760 --> 02:10:21,400
Speaker 1: do a lot of work with sacco and ticker and

2240
02:10:21,440 --> 02:10:26,800
Speaker 1: there's some good there's serious lads over there and Spain stuff.

2241
02:10:27,960 --> 02:10:30,000
Speaker 1: What can trump with the bow in Spain? I can't

2242
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:32,360
Speaker 1: wait to do it access my homeland. What country would

2243
02:10:32,360 --> 02:10:40,200
Speaker 1: be the closest thing to the US. It's probably not

2244
02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:47,760
Speaker 1: a brilliant question. Um. I tell you that Mark has

2245
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:50,600
Speaker 1: some public land, right, There are a few countries that

2246
02:10:50,680 --> 02:10:52,640
Speaker 1: have a little bit of public land. That's probably the

2247
02:10:52,800 --> 02:10:58,000
Speaker 1: only similarities there. Yeah, and there's clubs in places like Sweden.

2248
02:10:58,040 --> 02:10:59,960
Speaker 1: So you become a moose, you join your moose hut

2249
02:11:00,080 --> 02:11:02,200
Speaker 1: Tink club. And I've seen old boys in there, like

2250
02:11:02,920 --> 02:11:04,800
Speaker 1: they must be knocking on the door ninety and they

2251
02:11:04,840 --> 02:11:07,360
Speaker 1: don't want to give up their place. So there's carrying

2252
02:11:07,440 --> 02:11:09,640
Speaker 1: these huge packs into the middle of nowhere for their

2253
02:11:10,120 --> 02:11:13,240
Speaker 1: their annual moose event, you know. So yeah, it's I

2254
02:11:13,280 --> 02:11:16,080
Speaker 1: want to see moose get around with dogs. Yeah, they

2255
02:11:16,160 --> 02:11:17,680
Speaker 1: do a lot of that or there, I believe. So

2256
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:21,680
Speaker 1: it looks yeah, it looks awesome. Yeah, it's just the

2257
02:11:21,880 --> 02:11:25,200
Speaker 1: Arctic is a great place. Cape Kailey hunting that would

2258
02:11:25,200 --> 02:11:26,960
Speaker 1: be a cool thing that me and and you're trying

2259
02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:31,760
Speaker 1: to There's a guy called all Flint. I think link

2260
02:11:32,080 --> 02:11:34,280
Speaker 1: he's super cool. If I could do that's that's the

2261
02:11:34,400 --> 02:11:36,320
Speaker 1: one when people are like, what's the one big thing

2262
02:11:36,560 --> 02:11:38,440
Speaker 1: we hunt out of the country, That's what I want

2263
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:41,200
Speaker 1: to do. You hunt them out of trees using a

2264
02:11:41,240 --> 02:11:43,880
Speaker 1: barking bird and you're shooting a full ball rifle into

2265
02:11:43,960 --> 02:11:46,000
Speaker 1: a tree. I mean, that's pretty freaky for me. I

2266
02:11:46,040 --> 02:11:48,000
Speaker 1: would do that in the UK because I'm likely to

2267
02:11:48,120 --> 02:11:51,000
Speaker 1: end up going into Tumbridge Wells hitting Mrs what's her name, yeah,

2268
02:11:51,640 --> 02:11:54,880
Speaker 1: Mrs Niggins where they have but but up there there's

2269
02:11:54,920 --> 02:11:56,920
Speaker 1: nobody and that's what they've been doing for years and

2270
02:11:57,000 --> 02:11:59,480
Speaker 1: it's super excited. It's like deer hunting for a bird.

2271
02:11:59,560 --> 02:12:05,120
Speaker 1: I am above uh yeah, you know winning Rome, right,

2272
02:12:05,400 --> 02:12:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm not above shooting bird out of a tree with

2273
02:12:07,320 --> 02:12:08,800
Speaker 1: some people that shoot birds out of Yeah, no, no,

2274
02:12:08,920 --> 02:12:11,080
Speaker 1: they're it's brilliant, it's really you do it. You put

2275
02:12:11,080 --> 02:12:13,440
Speaker 1: a lot of miles in for very few shots. But

2276
02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:16,320
Speaker 1: it's a really epic place to go. And then with

2277
02:12:16,480 --> 02:12:19,120
Speaker 1: the old male birds, they taste like shipe and they cooked,

2278
02:12:19,160 --> 02:12:23,960
Speaker 1: so we just do tartar and they're lovely. Yeah. Yeah.

2279
02:12:24,320 --> 02:12:26,600
Speaker 1: Oh they're not good cook now that the fat where

2280
02:12:26,960 --> 02:12:29,720
Speaker 1: some people might like them, but they're really good raw. Yeah,

2281
02:12:29,840 --> 02:12:31,600
Speaker 1: you know I found out that that kind of surprised me.

2282
02:12:31,720 --> 02:12:35,280
Speaker 1: Is um timerg are so much better raw. Yeah, I

2283
02:12:35,400 --> 02:12:37,880
Speaker 1: got I got all the grousekeepers in Scotland last year

2284
02:12:37,960 --> 02:12:40,680
Speaker 1: eating grouse row and they said, fuck off, we're not

2285
02:12:41,160 --> 02:12:43,520
Speaker 1: doing that, and then after a little while said come on,

2286
02:12:43,600 --> 02:12:46,280
Speaker 1: just try and they I did, like eleven of them

2287
02:12:46,440 --> 02:12:48,360
Speaker 1: over a few weeks. They're lovely, they really are. I

2288
02:12:48,400 --> 02:12:53,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't grouse again, you know that that dish um having

2289
02:12:53,240 --> 02:12:55,800
Speaker 1: made in a long while, but like like Chinese heart

2290
02:12:55,880 --> 02:13:01,000
Speaker 1: part yeah, where you like you got the broth and

2291
02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:02,560
Speaker 1: the stuff in it and just take raw meat and

2292
02:13:02,640 --> 02:13:05,440
Speaker 1: dip it. Yeah, it's like doing that for tim again.

2293
02:13:05,880 --> 02:13:10,080
Speaker 1: They're like cook but not really cooked. It's good, don't

2294
02:13:10,280 --> 02:13:12,600
Speaker 1: what's that? The mums do that? Yeah? I think so.

2295
02:13:13,040 --> 02:13:14,760
Speaker 1: Whenever I have a question by anything over that neck

2296
02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:18,320
Speaker 1: of the woods, I just asked Aran try to answer

2297
02:13:18,520 --> 02:13:21,440
Speaker 1: not always right? All right, Thanks for coming on man, pleasure.

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02:13:21,560 --> 02:13:22,640
Speaker 1: It's great your report