1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff. Mom never told you, from house to books, 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: not color. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline, and today we are celebrating Hispanic Heritage Fund. 4 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: That's right, Hispanic Heritage Month did not actually start out 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: as a month. It only became an entire month under 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: President Reagan. It originally started in nine however, as Hispanic 7 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: Heritage Week under President Lyndon Johnson. And if you're wondering, 8 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: which I'm sure you are, it runs from September to 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: October fifteenth, so you have a whole, nice long stretch 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: to celebrate Hispanic history. And there is significance to it 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: kicking off on September fift because that is the anniversary 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: of independence for Latin American countries including Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: and Nicaragua. And in addition to that, Mexico and Chile 14 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: celebrate their Independence days on September six and September eight, respectively. 15 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: And not only that, but also during this period, Columbus 16 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: Day or Dia de la Raza, which is October twelve, 17 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: falls within this month long period. And also thanks to 18 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: the Facebook fan who said, hey, ladies, you should do 19 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: something for Hispanic Heritage Month, because yes, it is a 20 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: fantastic suggestion. Um. But first, let's talk for a moment 21 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: about Hispanic versus Latino versus another term that has been 22 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: used as a slur in the past but has since 23 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: been reclaimed, and that is Chicano, right. Chicano or Chicana 24 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: was originally, like you said, a derogatory term, but has 25 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: been reclaimed by several groups, and we'll get into that 26 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: as we go on in the podcast, But first of all, 27 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: let's talk about what Hispanic means. That's a broad term 28 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: and it basically refers to countries that can trace part 29 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: of their history to Spa and that includes Mexico, parts 30 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: of Central America, most of South America. And it refers 31 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: to very importantly origins, not race. And so a country 32 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: that would not be called Hispanic, for instance, would be 33 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: Brazil because that was colonized back in the day by Portugal. 34 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: And then Latino or Latina is close and meaning, but 35 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: it does include countries like Brazil, so it more of 36 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: a generic term. And I believe that the Associated Press, 37 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: for instance, a lot of news outlets now opt for 38 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: Latino and Latina, so just some language notes at the 39 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: top of the podcast. Um, but first, let's kick off 40 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: this celebration just by calling out some culturally influential Hispanic women. Yeah, 41 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: this is coming from a couple of sources, including Time 42 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: and Yahoo. So let's kick it off with some entertainers 43 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: that we should be familiar with. We've got Christina Aguilera 44 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: of Ecuadorian descent, Sophia Vergara, who's Colombian and she's actually 45 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: the highest paid actress on TV right now. And let's 46 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: not forget America Ferrara, who in two thousand seven became 47 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: the first Latina to win an Emmy for Outstanding Lead 48 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: Actress in a Comedy Series. Her parents are from Honduras 49 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: um and then moving into lawmaking, we have Susanna Martinez, 50 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: who is America's first Latina governor and the first female 51 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: and current governor of New Mexico, And of course Supreme 52 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor, who is of Puerto Rican descent. Yeah, 53 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: and it's worth noting even though she is not American. 54 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: Michelle Bachelet, who is the former President of Chile and 55 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: current leader of You and Women, also known as the 56 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: un Entity for gender Equality and the empowerment of women, 57 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: and a couple other notable names, and certainly these are 58 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: not all of the culturally influential Latino women that we 59 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: could cite, but we do want to give props to 60 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: Ellen o'chilla, who is the deputy director of the Johnson 61 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: Space Center and was the first Latina astronaut to go 62 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: into space in Yeah, that's I want to go to space, 63 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: although I feel like I would get really emotions sick. 64 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: And one woman standing at the head of a media 65 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: empire is Nina Taffler, who is the president of the 66 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: CBS Network and has a Puerto Rican mother. And then 67 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: finally there's Dara Torres, who is of Spanish descent and 68 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: is considered the fastest female swimmer in the US in 69 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: one twelve Olympic medals. So that is just a snapshot, 70 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: obviously of the diversity of fields in which these women 71 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: are making so many in roads. But we really want 72 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: to focus this podcast and our our celebration of Hispanic 73 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: Heritage Month more on the daily lives of everyday women 74 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: in the United States, because while all of those women 75 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: that we decided are of course worth celebrating, but their 76 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: lives are probably a lot different and a lot more affluent, 77 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: not surprising week as many our celebrities, but they do 78 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: stand and start contrast to what life is really like 79 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: for the average Hispanic woman in America, right. And so, 80 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: if we're looking at numbers UM in the US, there 81 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: are thirty point one million Hispanic adults, fourteen point four million, 82 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: or almost half are women. That's coming from the U 83 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: s Census Bureau. And in two thousand eight, the Pew 84 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: Research Center took a look at some of these demographics 85 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: UM and found that the picture is not always so 86 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: pretty when it comes to things like income and education. 87 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: For instance, thirty six percent of Hispanic women in the 88 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: US have less than a high school education, compared with 89 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: just ten percent of non Hispanic women. And then when 90 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: we look at median income for Hispanic women, it's four 91 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: hundred sixty dollars per week compared to six hundred and 92 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: fifteen dollars per week for non Hispanic women. And they 93 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: are also twice as likely to live in poverty. And 94 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: Hispanic women born in the US are more likely to 95 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: be in the labor force than Hispanic women who have 96 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: moved here. For reasons that we will get into in 97 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: just a little bit. Right. And those women who are 98 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: in the labor force are most likely to be in 99 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: office and administration support roles um and they are more 100 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: likely than non Hispanic women to be employed in blue 101 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: collar jobs like building and grounds, cleaning and maintenance, food prep, 102 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: and personal care slash service occupation type jobs. So these 103 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: kinds of inequalities in terms of educational attainment and the 104 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: wages that they're bringing home and domestic roles are the 105 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: reasons why we want to focus on something called Chicana feminism, 106 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: which then evolves into Latina feminism. But when we're looking 107 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: first at Chicano feminism, it's a movement in ideology that 108 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: seeks to address those inequalities that are specifically facing for 109 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: Chicano feminism women of Mexican descent, right. And it's not 110 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: just issues that they're facing kind of in society at large. 111 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: It's also, like we said, in within their own communities, 112 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: the issue of being almost invisible, of being being expected 113 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: to stay home. So a common definition of a chicana 114 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: is a Mexican American female raised in the US, and 115 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: it's a term that was actually reclaimed, you know, we 116 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: pointed out that it was you know, for a long 117 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: time a derogatory term, and it was reclaimed during the 118 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: Chicano movement of the nineteen sixties by Mexican American women 119 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: who wanted to establish social, cultural, and political identities for 120 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: themselves in America beyond kind of the deal that they've 121 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: been handed. Yeah, and and Mexican Americans have a long 122 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: and rich history in the United States because as early 123 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: as the US Mexico War of eighteen forty eight, for instance, 124 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: and the Mexican Revolution in nineteen ten, Mexican families were 125 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: driven to settle in the US colonized territories, including El Pasto, 126 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: San Antonio, San Diego, l A, and Santa Barbara. So 127 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: this Chicano movement out of which grows the Chicano feminist movement, 128 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: sparked in the nineteen sixties and was fueled by the 129 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: United farm Workers Strike and now the United farm Workers 130 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: were a group that really sought equality from Mexican American 131 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: workers agricultural workers, and was originally referred to as the 132 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: National farm Workers Association, and it was started by three 133 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: main players, Caesar Chavez, Philip Veracruz and Delores Whereta. Yes, 134 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: a woman started an organization um and she was Actually, 135 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: she's really fascinating to read about. She was inspired herself 136 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: by her mother's independence and entrepreneurial spirit and talks about 137 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: how her mother was so involved in the community and 138 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: while she may not have referred to herself as a 139 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: feminist or even a Chicano feminist, she was there in 140 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: the community, you know, volunteering and helping out. So she 141 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: was very involved. Yeah, And for fans of PBSS makers 142 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: series on Influential Women, there's a great interview with Dolora 143 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: Suerta and which she talks about her participation with the 144 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: farm Workers Association and how it was really significant that 145 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: she was a woman in the movement and also in 146 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: the spotlight as well. And uh, it really talks about 147 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: how it's important for women to own their accomplishments and 148 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: not be scared to raise their voice if you want 149 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: to check out that interview. Um. So, while we have 150 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: things like the United farm Workers Strike going on and 151 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: that energizing of the Chicano movement, there are women who 152 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: are starting to recognize not just inequalities in regard to 153 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: their ethnicity, but also inequalities with regard to their gender 154 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: roles in their own societies. And so with all of 155 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: this activism that's starting to go on. I mean, because 156 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: think about it in the context of civil rights that's 157 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: going on all across the nation. You have these women 158 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: in the same in the same way that you have 159 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: black women within the civil rights movement starting up their 160 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: consciousness at raising groups and things like womanism growing out 161 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: of that, you have Chicano feminism starting two well. So 162 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: it's interesting to look at the barriers that they had 163 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: to overcome to even form this movement and how those 164 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: barriers really just drove them to push right through those walls. 165 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: So some of those things that they were dealing with, 166 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: it was the same thing that we talked about in 167 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: our Solidarity as for White Women episode where we looked 168 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: at some African American feminists. They really were pushing against 169 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: this eurocentric feminist framework that tended to ignore differences in backgrounds. 170 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: It was, you know, a lot of uh women of 171 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: color at this time, we're pointing out, like, you know, 172 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: what feminism really is this kind of middle class white 173 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: woman's fight. I don't feel the same I don't come 174 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: from that same background, and my fight is different. And 175 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: they also were fighting against this embedded Marianista model of 176 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: gender relations, which centered on an acceptance of abusive male 177 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: behavior and women's subordination. Basically the idea of you know, 178 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: idealizing the virgin Mary and how submissive and you know, 179 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: just sweet, gentle and quiet she was. Yeah, you have 180 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: the marianism as it's referred to for the women versus 181 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: the more machismo culture that is more applied to the men. 182 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: And it's very much the dominant and subordinate within that right. 183 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: And so you know, there's this ideal of this virginal quiet, 184 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: subdued purity, and this focus on being a wife and 185 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: a mother. That's your job. That's that's the role that 186 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: you feel both in our family and our community in 187 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: addition to society at large. And there's been a lot 188 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: of scholarship that's actually looked into chicon of feminism, their 189 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: entire departments actually at colleges that are devoted to this 190 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: and not just looking at things like the marionismo and 191 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: the messicana, but also the roots of that machismo culture 192 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: as well. And and some people think that the machismo 193 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: element of Mexican culture was really a reaction against the 194 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: powerlessness that the men felt in broader American society, which 195 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: only reinforced on the home front, the subjugation of women. 196 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: It's all a trickling down in a way of racism 197 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: that then breeds more sexism that then, you know, cycles 198 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: into these generations of women who are really bound to 199 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: the home. And with Chicano feminism, these women were ready 200 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: to say, you know what, I've had enough of this 201 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: model of life. So this kind of cohesive Chicana identity 202 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: really sparked after the nine nine Chicano Youth Live Racian 203 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: Conference that sort of brought the Chicano movement together. But 204 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: out of that, in May nineteen seventy one came more 205 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: of the Chicano movement of saying like, okay, well we 206 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: are voices need to be heard too, and that in 207 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 1: May nineteen seventy one, that's when we have the Muharius 208 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: porl Raza conference, which brought together six hundred women. Yeah, 209 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: and they took a survey which was really telling of 210 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: the situation that a lot of these women were facing 211 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: because it found that eighty four percent of those six 212 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: enter women who were gathered so that they weren't encouraged, 213 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: for instance, to pursue professional careers and education was not 214 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: considered important among their families, it wasn't considered important for 215 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: women specifically to attain education. Similarly, eighty four percent also 216 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: thought that there wasn't equal pay for equal work. That 217 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: sounds familiar, and seventy two perceived racial discrimination. And also 218 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: out of that conference, they called four things like legal abortion, 219 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: equal access to education, establishment of child care centers, and 220 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: abolition of traditional marriages. And with those two last platforms, 221 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: the need for child care centers and abolition of traditional marriages, 222 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: you start to see how Chicano feminism is a bit 223 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: different addresses different needs than the eurocentric white feminism that 224 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: we often hear about in terms of second wave feminism. 225 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: That really hammered home gender over race, gender over race, 226 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: it's all about women, and we're just talking about women 227 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: rather than looking at ethnicity and class, and that was problematic, right. 228 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: So that same year of the conference, nine writer Marta 229 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: Vidal really kind of hammers home why this movement is 230 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: so important and so necessary, and she writes that the 231 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: oppression suffered by Chicanas is different from that suffered by 232 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: most women in this country. Because Chicana are part of 233 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: an oppressed nationality, they are subjected to the racism practiced 234 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: against Larraza, and since the overwhelming majority of Chicanas are workers, 235 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: Chicanas are also victims of the exploitation of the working class. 236 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: But in addition, Chicanas, along with the rest of women, 237 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: are relegated to an inferior position because of their sex. Thus, 238 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: Raza women suffer a triple form of oppression as members 239 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: of an oppressed nationality, as workers and as women, and so, 240 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: as you can hear in that quote from Marta Vidal, 241 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: the determination to not just address their needs as women, 242 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: but also the more specific needs as Mexican American women 243 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: who were facing these different and arguably more difficult kinds 244 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: of hindrances within society. And with that kind of determination, 245 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: Chicana feminism really laid a foundation to rethink what we 246 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: might normally ink of as just kind of basic feminism, 247 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: to broaden it and shift it from the eurocentric view. 248 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: In the same way that you're going to see if 249 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: you look into feminism and womanism among African American women 250 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: at the time, these are a lot of similar struggles 251 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: that are going on, and it's set effort to raise 252 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: their visibility as assets both within their community and also 253 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: within the population at large. That's a major hallmark of 254 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: Chicano feminism, right, And it does evolve, just like any 255 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: social movement does. It starts to evolve, and that's when 256 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: we have the outgrowth of Latina feminism, which serves as 257 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: more of an umbrella term. It's more of a coalition 258 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: bringing together um women from so many different backgrounds, ethnic backgrounds, 259 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: regional backgrounds, um. Although it can be challenging, as with 260 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: any label, it can be challenging to just say I'm 261 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: a Latina feminist or a Chicana feminist or I'm part 262 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: of a Latina feminist movement because you do have all 263 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: of those different backgrounds. You do have women from so 264 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: many different corners of the world, and so part of 265 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: why there was this breaking away from like more mainstream 266 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: feminism is because there wasn't a voice for them. But 267 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: you also have to acknowledge, well, is everybody's voice being 268 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: heard under Latina feminism too. But we're just bringing that 269 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: up to point out that there was this evolution of 270 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: the movement to be somewhat more inclusive. Yeah, there's been 271 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: a lot of efforts to create more of a pan 272 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: Latina coalition, building and really conceptualizing what a pan ethnic 273 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: Latina feminist movement that is inclusive would look like. And 274 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: if you read scholarship then and today, a lot of 275 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: times they talk about how that really is a major challenge, 276 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: not to mention still the challenge of their voices being heard, 277 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: simply because the platform for Latina feminists and fortunately it's 278 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: still not as loud as the more eurocentric whiter feminist today. 279 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: I say, as a European descended white feminist, um, but 280 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: if you do, we we encourage you to learn more 281 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: about this movement. And if you do want to, we 282 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: encourage you to look up Gloria and Zelda who wrote 283 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: Borderlands Leve front Arra the New Mestiza, and that's considered 284 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: basically the seminal Chicano feminist text. Yeah, she was a 285 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: lesbian Chicano writer whose work shows the intersectionality of things 286 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: like gender, sexuality and the social construction of racial identity. 287 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: So if you want to really dig into the theory 288 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: of Chicano feminism, definitely check out border Lands. So let's 289 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: take a moment before we wrap up the podcast and 290 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: talk to us a minute about Latina feminism today. I mean, 291 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: are are there voices being heard? Well? It seems to 292 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: me in in doing a lot of reading for this 293 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: that you know, women in this movement still face a 294 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: lot of the same issues that they did before, you know, 295 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: kind of being overwhelmed by the mainstream feminist movement, the 296 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: Eurocentric feminist movement, still hearing echoes of you know, being 297 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: a woman is more important than your race, you know, 298 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: fighting for women's rights is more important than your ethnicity, 299 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: all of that stuff. And so one woman in particular, 300 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: Julianna Britto Schwartz, who is of Brazilian descent her her 301 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: mother is Brazilian, wrote Confessions of a Complicated Latina Feminist, 302 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: explaining why she adopted this term Latina feminist. Yeah, she said, 303 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: I've had too many conversations with Latina who I would 304 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: consider to be incredible feminists and have had them tell 305 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: me that they feel excluded and out of place in 306 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: the feminist movement. To these women, feminist does not represent 307 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: them or the struggles that their communities face. And Schwartz 308 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: goes on to talk about how spending time with women 309 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: in rural Brazil even further changed her mind about how 310 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: feminism applies to Latino women right, and she talks about how, 311 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, while there are feminist movers and shakers for 312 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: lack of a better term, fighting for passage of laws 313 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: protecting women against violence and and things like that, women 314 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: who are actually out in more rural areas aren't as 315 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: concerned with laws as they are the implementation of them 316 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,239 Speaker 1: and the actual trickle down effect of being protected. And 317 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: she writes that they are fighting to break down deeply 318 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: rooted stereotypes about women's role in the home and in 319 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: the workplace just as they are, just as many women 320 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: are in America still, and she says they are less 321 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: concerned about legalizing abortion and more concerned with having to 322 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: drive an hour and a half from modern maternal healthcare. 323 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: And there's a Miss magazine roundtable not too long ago 324 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: with Latino feminist bloggers including Schwartz along with Sarah ENA's 325 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: Calderone and Murray Perez and Patricia Volloy, who really revealed 326 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: similar observations and perceptions of mainstream feminism in terms of 327 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: not fully identifying with it, and a lot talking about 328 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 1: how their voices aren't so much being heard because their 329 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: experience is often so different than the narratives that we 330 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: typically hear in you know, on the large people with 331 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: the largest Twitter followings or the mainstream blogs or whatever 332 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: it might be. Sharon, one thing that Sworts brought up 333 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: that I did think was really interesting to point out 334 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: because you don't from a from the place where we sit, 335 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: we don't often think about it this way. But she 336 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: talks about, you know, reproductive rights also being it's being 337 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: a choice, it's having a choice both ways. You know 338 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people talking about the choice to have 339 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: an abortion, but she's saying a lot of women of color, 340 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: you know, face these awful stereotypes for choosing to have children. 341 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of a lot of women of 342 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 1: color are you know, being told like, you know, are 343 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: you sure you want to have more kids? Maybe? You know, 344 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: maybe you shouldn't have so many children. And that's just 345 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: as much a choice as choosing not to have children. 346 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: And so there are so many different perspectives out there, 347 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: and and we wanted to bring a lot of them 348 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: to you as best we could. Yeah, And one thing 349 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: that that blogger round table really hammered home the same 350 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: thing when you look into the solidarity is for white 351 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: women conversation that spring up on Twitter not too long ago, 352 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: is that need for intersectionality and not just talking about it, 353 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: but really trying to put it more into practice, which 354 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: is part of the reason why we wanted to do 355 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: this podcast. I mean, obviously the personal experience CareLine that 356 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: you and I share, our two white women, we can't 357 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: change that. But what we can change is at least 358 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: the names that we reference and the sources that we 359 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: talk about, and the topics that we cover. So I'd 360 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: say at least our celebration of Hispanic Heritage Month and 361 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: talking about Latina feminism is our contribution to the conversation. 362 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: That's right. Just as we're celebrating Hispanic heritage, we're celebrating Hispanic, 363 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: Latina and Chicano feminists out there in the world as well. Yeah, 364 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: And I think that the more we can deepen our 365 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: understanding of what feminism really means, not just to us, 366 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: but to people who might not be like us at all, 367 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: then the better understanding that we're going to have of 368 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: our society at large, because it really I think that 369 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: everyone's definition of it really speaks to a different experience 370 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: that we need to consider. That's right, And I I, 371 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: for one, look forward to hearing from our listeners. From 372 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: our Latina listeners are Hispanic listeners, Um, maybe tell us 373 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: more about women, women, heroes you know that that you 374 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: have in your lives, or or writers, politicians, anyone who 375 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: who you think deserves to be mentioned. Yeah, and whether 376 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: or not you know, for Latinos or women of color 377 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: in general, whether or not that point about not identifying 378 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: even still with feminism because of how white and eurocentric 379 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: it still seems to be. If that's something that also 380 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: resonates with you, because I think it's an important conversation 381 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: that we all need to be having. So send us 382 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: your letters. As always. Mom Stuff at Discovery dot com 383 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: is where you can write us. You can also tweet 384 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: us at mom Stuff podcast or hit us up on Facebook. 385 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: And we've got a couple of notes to share with 386 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: you when we come right back from this break and 387 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: now back to our letters. I have a letter here 388 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: from Alice about our Solidarity is for White Women episode, 389 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: which also revisited six black feminists you should know. Alice 390 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 1: writes as a woman of color who has issues identifying 391 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: as a feminist for many of the reasons you address 392 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: in this podcast and in the Black Feminist episode, I 393 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: find it hard to have a conversation about this with 394 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: other white women who do identify as feminists. I can't 395 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: tell you how many conversations I've had with women who 396 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: declared their feminists then in the same breath go on 397 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: to say something racist or more likely some sort of microaggression. 398 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: Some examples include describing their racist Halloween costume plans, explaining 399 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: that a part of the city is unsafe because it 400 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: is a historically black neighborhood. I'm tired of being forced 401 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: to apologize to feminists for pointing out their racism and 402 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: think that you guys could have done a better job 403 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: of discussing the specifics of why women of color today 404 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: feel excluded. It's hard because I feel like these sorts 405 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: of things are mostly anecdotal, but discussion discussing the issue 406 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 1: of things like derailing would have been helpful all at all. 407 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: I was excited to see this episode title in my 408 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: little podcast menu, and I hope that you two are 409 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: able to incorporate more viewpoints from an episodes about women 410 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: of color. So thank you, Alice. And speaking of racist 411 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: Halloween costumes, spoiler alert, we are planning by Facebook request 412 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: to do an episode on Halloween and cultural appropriation. Hooray, 413 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: don't dress up as a Native American white people. Well, 414 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: I have an email here from Emily and it is 415 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: in response to another listener letter that we read from 416 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: a horticulturalist who is the only woman on her team, 417 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: and she was asking for advice on how to get 418 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: along with sometimes not so nice male coworkers. And Emily 419 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 1: has a lot of experience working with in um and 420 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: specifically working with men in the military, and so she 421 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: passed along some tips. She says. One, if someone does 422 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: something that makes you uncomfortable, talk to them honestly and 423 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: respectfully and tell them that what they did made you 424 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: uncomfortable and to please stop. Take someone in the office 425 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 1: as a witness if you need to. I have done 426 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: this before and I have never had to go beyond 427 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: this level too. If this fails, make an official complaint 428 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: with the person who is in charge of the country club. Again, 429 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: maintain honesty and respect. And three, if this fails, get 430 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: a lawyer. You will be amazed how things can change 431 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: with a phrase, I need to talk to my attorney 432 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: about this harassment. Only say this if you will actually 433 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: go and get a lawyer. Don't bluff. Besides the psychopaths 434 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: and sociopaths in the world, most humans are very nice, 435 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: and most dudes don't realize that they might be making 436 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: you uncomfortable. The mouse poop glove incident might be even 437 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: a misguided attempt to include you their club. And as 438 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: far as your supervisor asking you if you're upset because 439 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: quote unquote you're on your period, I would have responded, 440 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: and have done so in the past about explaining the 441 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: fun of periodng and how awesome pap smears are and 442 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: all the other lady problems and quotes that way ladies 443 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: have that will probably shut most dudes up. Dudes aren't 444 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: usually fond of hearing about unsexy lady fluid problems. If 445 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: they're still listening and you haven't grossed them out, your 446 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: supervisor maybe a psychopath or sociopath, and you probably need 447 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: to find somewhere else to work. I wish you luck. 448 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: Lady horticulturalists. Oh my god, that is genius. I love that. 449 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to use that in my life, like talking 450 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: about like now I'm not on my period. I just 451 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: had a speculum shoved halfway up my cervix and you know, 452 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,959 Speaker 1: like pats nearing and up. I wonder I thought I'll 453 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: get him to stop that sounds great. I know I'm uncomfortable. Yeah, Kristen, 454 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm watching Kristen like p We shrink into a little 455 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: ball as I talk. Pasts are only fun now they're not. 456 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: Have we done an episode on pat scores. We've talked 457 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: about it, maybe it's time. Well, if you would like 458 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: to send us your pets suggestions. Mom Stuff at discovery 459 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: dot com is where you can email us. You can 460 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: follow us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast, and like 461 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: us on Facebook. 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