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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast. The Doctor Doctor Gimme the news addition,

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Speaker 1: as Dave Lapham joins me to discuss the start of

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Speaker 1: free agency in a very newsworthy day for the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: Monday was the start of the so called legal tampering period,

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Speaker 1: and the Bengals reportedly reached agreements with two offensive linemen

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Speaker 1: from recent Super Bowl champions, Alex Kappa from Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: and Ted Carriss from New England, along with a key

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Speaker 1: member of their own defensive line, b J. Hill. The

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Speaker 1: appropriate to be talking about agents during free agency, but

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Speaker 1: Call My Agent is actually a French TV show that

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Speaker 1: I have been watching on Netflix. It's a comedy about

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Speaker 1: a talent agency in Paris that manages demanding movie stars

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Speaker 1: while the agents also juggle their own chaotic lives. I'm

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Speaker 1: The second season is laugh out loud funny. In fact,

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Speaker 1: the show won an International Emmy Award for Best Comedy.

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Speaker 1: I warn you in advance that it's in French with subtitles,

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Speaker 1: so I know that's not for everybody, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: exactly high brow and I love it. Call My Agent

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Speaker 1: is magnifique. Before we get to my conversation with Dave Lappham,

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Speaker 1: I should point out that we recorded it just before

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Speaker 1: the news broke that CJ Uzama has reportedly agreed to

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Speaker 1: a three year, twenty four million dollar deal with the

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Speaker 1: New York Jets. In fact, you'll hear Lap and I

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Speaker 1: discuss how the hefty price tag for free agent tight

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Speaker 1: Ends might make it difficult for the Bengals to retain Uzama.

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Speaker 1: In my eleven years as a Bengals broadcaster, CJ is

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Speaker 1: one of the nicest, funniest and friendliest players the Bengals

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Speaker 1: have had, and he will be missed at Paul Brown Stadium.

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Speaker 1: It's impossible to keep everybody in free agency, and we

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Speaker 1: wish him nothing but the best in New York. Now

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Speaker 1: time to discuss a big day for the Bengals with

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Speaker 1: lap Lapids day one of the legal tampering period, and

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Speaker 1: the Bengals did not wait for other teams to set

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Speaker 1: the market. They jumped in with both feet, reportedly agreeing

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Speaker 1: to deals with three players, including two offensive linemen. Let's

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Speaker 1: start with Alex Kappa, who played right guard for Tampa

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Speaker 1: Bay for the last three years. That was the biggest

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Speaker 1: weakness on the Bengals offensive line last year. He's twenty

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Speaker 1: seven years old, he get it's a four year, forty

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Speaker 1: million dollar deal. He was graded as the thirteenth best

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Speaker 1: What do you think, you know, Dan, I'm gonna say

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Speaker 1: the same thing about both of these guys, man. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're they're tough, they play hard, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: they've both been part of productive, pass heavy offenses playing

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrows next Tom Brady, so they wanted to come

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Speaker 1: with the younger Tom Brady come to Cincinnati. They're both smart,

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Speaker 1: they're both aware. You know, the one thing that hurt

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Speaker 1: the Bengals in the playoffs against these real good pass

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Speaker 1: rush teams, not just you know, straight bullrush that was

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Speaker 1: lack of awareness and those pickups and some blitzes and

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Speaker 1: in the prime of their career. Dan, you got you

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Speaker 1: I should say kappas twenty seven years old. Karis turns

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Speaker 1: twenty nine tomorrow. So they're they're right in the prime,

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Speaker 1: right in the sweet spot of their careers. They've proven

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Speaker 1: they can play. They proven they can play at a

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Speaker 1: good level with good football teams. You know, you're talking

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Speaker 1: coached by good offensive line coaches. I don't think they'll

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Speaker 1: into Ted Carris a little bit in more detail. He

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Speaker 1: well Carmen Jackson will he will he developed, Jackson Carmen,

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Speaker 1: intangible boxes and right now, these these young linemen that

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Speaker 1: like a Brandon Schurf, you're probably saving five million dollars

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Speaker 1: he did have one really good year with the Bears,

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Speaker 1: but I still think he's the fourth best quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the division. Oh I agree, Yeah, but he's he's a

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Speaker 1: much better option than what they had. They definitely get

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Speaker 1: better at the quarterback position. But yeah, I agree. I

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Speaker 1: would not want to see Watson there talk about Watson

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Speaker 1: is Trubisky on steroids. You know, it's there's no there's

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Speaker 1: no uh no comparison there. Um, but it's it's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's gonna be very interesting to see. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, how how how how that one unfolds? What

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Speaker 1: what they do with Trubisky, how they how their offense evolves.

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Speaker 1: Will they get back to being you know, the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: Steelers of old, where they're gonna run the football and

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Speaker 1: they're gonna run it, right, you know, they're gonna run

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Speaker 1: it and run it and run it again. And how

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Speaker 1: much of the quarterback run game will be incorporated? How

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Speaker 1: much of that can he take? He's not that big

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Speaker 1: a guy. He can run them. That dude can run. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not I think there were better options

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Speaker 1: out there, but I think that was probably the best

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Speaker 1: option that there was available to them. That's the best

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Speaker 1: they could come up with. Seattle tight end Will Disley,

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Speaker 1: solid player, not a superstar by any stretch of the

448
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Speaker 1: imagination gets a three year, twenty four million dollar deal.

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Speaker 1: Is the market for tight ends getting so lucrative that

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Speaker 1: the Bengals are going to have a hard time holding

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Speaker 1: out A CJ Uzama. Yeah. I look at all these contracts,

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Speaker 1: and I mean the market in general. I mean the

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Speaker 1: Bengals they gave big Fred Johnson, they gave him almost

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Speaker 1: three million over two anyway. Not guaranteed though, yeah, I guaranteed,

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Speaker 1: gotta make it, but just to just to put your

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Speaker 1: name on a contract. As you make the team, you're

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Speaker 1: making two point three whatever it is, two point whatever million,

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Speaker 1: God Lee man. I mean it's the league is uh,

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Speaker 1: it's exploding. It's exploding. The TV revenues are just incredible.

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Speaker 1: U Is It's a It's an eight hundred pound gorilla

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Speaker 1: the National Football League. There's no doubt. So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think I think the market on every position group is

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Speaker 1: UH is increasing, There's no, There's no question about it.

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Speaker 1: And I think CJ. Zamba is very important to this franchise,

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Speaker 1: not only on the field xs and ohs, but as

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Speaker 1: we know, all the intangibles that he brings to the table.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he is he is big time glue. He's

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Speaker 1: one of those glue players. He's one of those players

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Speaker 1: that you could you could almost have one less coach

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Speaker 1: and your coaching staff and leave it up to CJ.

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Speaker 1: Zamba to bring the team together, you know, and and

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Speaker 1: uh and overcome not having enough coaches on your coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: He's that kind of guy. So he feels a lot

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Speaker 1: of roles for the Bengals. There's no question about it.

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Speaker 1: That Fred Johnson tender that you referred to as really

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Speaker 1: interesting to me because he was basically the bottom guy

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Speaker 1: in the Totem poll among the linemen that were on

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Speaker 1: the you know, the fifty three man roster. By the

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Speaker 1: end of the year. You're not going to pay him

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Speaker 1: that much for that role. So it almost seems to

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Speaker 1: me like this is a carrot. All right, Fred, We're

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Speaker 1: going to bring it back you can compete for. At

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Speaker 1: least right now, the right tackle job is open. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. They might bring back Riley Reef

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Speaker 1: or sign another free agent or draft a guy. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can dangle the potential to start at that job,

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Speaker 1: and if he's not able to earn that position, like

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Speaker 1: I said, you could let him go without having to

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Speaker 1: pay the free absolutely. I think it is an incentive.

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Speaker 1: I think they want to see I think they're trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out a way to incentivize them. I think

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Speaker 1: that's the biggest flying disappointment. Has got to be more

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Speaker 1: important to him, and you know, I think I think

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Speaker 1: that's the case with a couple of the young linemen.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the it's it's the same way with uh,

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Speaker 1: you know Jackson Carmen that you know, it's it's gonna

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Speaker 1: they just have to the game has to start to

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Speaker 1: be more important to him, and um. The final way

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Speaker 1: to do it is to is to dangle out some

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Speaker 1: financial incentive because physically, both of them have the physical capabilities,

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Speaker 1: the measurables and all that sort of thing. They both

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Speaker 1: have what it takes. Um. But heck, you know, like

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Speaker 1: you said, Fred, Fred was inactive and most of the

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Speaker 1: time he wasn't even one of the linemen that Frank

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Speaker 1: Pollack had up, um, you know, for for active duty

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Speaker 1: during the course of the season. So I think I

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Speaker 1: think it is, uh, it's fisher cut bait time for

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Speaker 1: Fred and uh, you know, if if if he ends

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Speaker 1: up fishing, he can pull in a big one, you know,

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Speaker 1: but if he cuts bait. It doesn't matter what he

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Speaker 1: could have pulled in. He's done. It ain't gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to get it done. Let me circle

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Speaker 1: back to Jackson Carmen for a second, because now that

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Speaker 1: they've signed Alex cap assume, assuming that he's healthy, there's

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Speaker 1: your right guard. So Jackson will not be a candidate

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Speaker 1: to start there anymore. You've got an opening, at least

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Speaker 1: for now, at left guard. You've got an opening at

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Speaker 1: right tackle. He was a left tackle at Clemson, so

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Speaker 1: you could put him at a left guard that's his

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Speaker 1: more natural side at least from where he played in college,

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Speaker 1: or you could put him at right tackle, which was

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Speaker 1: his position at least tackle was his position. What do

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Speaker 1: you think is the best way to go about trying

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Speaker 1: to get the best out of Jackson Carmen. It definitely

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Speaker 1: seems like Jackson Carmen feels more comfortable on the left side.

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Speaker 1: I feel that feels more natural to him. But you know,

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Speaker 1: if you if you say, all right, well, his best

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Speaker 1: position is tackle, so do we kick him out to

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Speaker 1: left tackle and put Joan at right tackle? Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: now you're making a two for one again, a two

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Speaker 1: for one move um, okay, well keep on the left

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Speaker 1: side and keep him at the left guard position. But

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Speaker 1: he doesn't seem as comfortable at guard as he doesn't tackle,

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Speaker 1: so he is a quandary. He's he's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a little bit of a mystery. But it's up

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Speaker 1: to him. It's up to him. He's the one that

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Speaker 1: has to solve the mystery. You know, it's not going

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Speaker 1: to be the coaches. You know, Frank Paula is not

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Speaker 1: going to say look here. Well, he may say I'm

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Speaker 1: going to put you at this position, and you just

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00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: go play, you know, get out of your own head,

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00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: go play. It's going to be interesting to see how

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Speaker 1: how it all shakes down. I mean, I do think.

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Speaker 1: I do think that it is wide open up front.

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00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: It's a wild wild West. In the offensive line. I

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Speaker 1: think that they've they've obviously committed to two players. It's

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Speaker 1: going to be their best vibe. They just went out

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00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: and gave him a bunch of money in free agency.

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Speaker 1: So you don't do that unless you consider them to

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Speaker 1: be among your best five guys. Who else, who are

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00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: the other guys? Who are the other three guys? And

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00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: where will they end up? It's gonna be again. It

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00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: is gonna be free for all man, very competitive. It's

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00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: going to be best man wins, and best man might

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00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: win in a position that you didn't think that he

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Speaker 1: was going to be at potentially. But you find out

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Speaker 1: who your best five players are and find out the

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00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: best places to play those best five players, you go

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Speaker 1: out there and roll. It has certainly been an interesting

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Speaker 1: first day in the illegal tampering period. We've got another

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Speaker 1: day of this coming up tomorrow, and then teams can

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Speaker 1: officially sign guys on Wednesday. Don't screen my calls, Dave Lapham.

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Speaker 1: We may be doing this again very soon. I'm telling you.

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Speaker 1: If if today's any indication they jumped in with both feet,

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Speaker 1: didn't they It was unbelievable. They get after it. He

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Speaker 1: certainly did, and there is little doubt there are more

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Speaker 1: free agent acquisitions to come. That's going to do it

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