1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Wednesday's edition a Big Blue Kickoff Live here 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: on giants dot com. He has pauled the teen on 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Lance met All. Good to be with you for the 4 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: next sixty minutes. Two zero five one three is the 5 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: telephone number. You could also chime in via Twitter hashtag 6 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Giants Chats. Big Blue Kickoff Live now presented by Core's Light. 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna get into the final preseason game. Will set 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: the table for that, we'll talk about some of the 9 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: position battles still up for grabs, and of course we'll 10 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: get to your phone call. So on yesterday show, Paul 11 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: John and I talked an awful lot about obviously the 12 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: Oldell Beckham pressor and Odell Beckham's contract. We could touch 13 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: on that briefly because you didn't have an opportunity to 14 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: reflect on that since the announcement was made. But I 15 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: found that his press conference yesterday was an opportunity for 16 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: him to really reflect on his career, look back from 17 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: a big picture perspective, and talk about his goals moving forward. 18 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: And he sounded like an individual and I understand it's 19 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: easy to say, and it's all about show me time 20 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: on the field that yes, the contract is one goal 21 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: that he had set for himself, but it's not the 22 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: very article of what he had said for himself. He's 23 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: still envisions a lot more that he has to accomplish. Well. 24 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: I think when he answered the question about where he 25 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: sees his legacy, um it was made very clear that 26 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: he wants to be remembered as a giant's great and 27 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: to do that he believes he's got to get some trophies. 28 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: And if that's what you're alluding to, then I totally 29 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: agree with you a thousand percent, because he made it 30 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: very clear that regardless of the funds that he has 31 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: recently come into contact with, it's a good way to 32 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: put it. His his drive and desire to excel and 33 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: to win will not change one bit. So um, I 34 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: I I understand where you're coming from, and I see it. 35 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: I have felled all along during the course of the 36 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: summer while watching him, And of course he then was 37 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: able to prove, especially with that week in Detroit when 38 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: he went against competition Darius Slay in particular, that he 39 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: is still old Beckham Odell Beckham Jr. John Mara basically 40 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: said as much. That was the last box that needed 41 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: to be checked and when he went out there against 42 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: the Lions and proved that competition was no match for him, 43 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: as has always been the case, that was the last 44 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: box that needed to be checked to really make the 45 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: deal happen. And Um, there's no question in terms of 46 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: his desire to win, his intensity on the field on 47 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: game day, his preparation. Uh Odell Beckham Jr. Is Is 48 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: one of those guys who I really believe would ball 49 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: out for five cents if if you needed him to 50 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: win a game, because that's how much he hates to lose. 51 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: So Um, good for him, good for the Giants. And 52 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: my only remark to close off my part of this 53 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: opening is that if you look at the Giants right now, 54 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: and we believe that Eli Manning, who has two years 55 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: left on his deal eighteen and nineteen. Whether or not 56 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: there's a twenty who knows, the Giants right now have 57 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: set themselves up. Think about this. They've got the star 58 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: receiver and Beckham. They've also got Shepherd, They've got the 59 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 1: star tight end and Ingram. They've got the solid left 60 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: tackle and eight soldier. They've got the franchise quarterback in 61 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: place at least this year and next year and maybe beyond. 62 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: So they've got all the key elements I was just 63 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: gonna get. They've got all the key elements in place. 64 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: Throw in the rookie superstar running back, throw in the 65 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: rookie left guard who we think is going to be 66 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: a stud. And what you're basically saying is the core 67 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: and the foundation of this Giant's offense should be very 68 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: potent for at least the next two seasons, if not longer. 69 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: Because you also know that Beckham's five year extension plus 70 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: the deal that Barkley signed, means the next quarterback, if 71 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: he takes over in three years or four years, is 72 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: going to have se Kwan Barkley and Odell Beckham Jr. 73 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: And probably Evan Ingram and maybe even Sterling Shepard all 74 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: at his disposal. It's a beautiful thing because not only 75 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 1: does the way the Giants have constructed this offense now 76 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,679 Speaker 1: given Eli Manning one more shot before his window was closed, 77 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: actually two shots, but they've also set up the next quarterback, 78 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: who I believe to be Davis Webb, and basically told 79 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: him you're gonna have a bunch of really important parts 80 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: on your offense as you step into that job. So 81 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: that to me is huge in terms of planning ahead. 82 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: The other thing is that on defense, let's flip it, 83 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: it looks as though over the course of the next 84 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: couple of years you've got key players and Jenkins in Snacks, 85 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: um In Vernon, in Landon Collins, because I do believe 86 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: now Landon Collins is the next big guy they're gonna 87 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: have to take care of. But they could tag him, 88 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: which then ties him up here for another probably two years, 89 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: because they could do it twice. They're given Elie a 90 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: quality defense, it looks like as well. And when that 91 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: window finally closes, and let's just say in three years 92 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: for argument's sake, and I don't know that it's gonna be, 93 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: but let's say that Jenkins has gone in three years, 94 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: or Snacks has gone in three years, or o V 95 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: has gone in three years, Well guess what you know, 96 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: who's still gonna be here in all likelihood, Landon Collins, Dalvelin, Tomlinson, B. J. Hill, 97 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter, Young, Nucleus. They got some guys that they 98 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: can even build around for three years down the road. 99 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: Eli Apple hopefully Dave Gettleman has done a marvelous job 100 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: in just a short time of not only given this chance. 101 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: They've given this team one more chance to win in 102 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: the short term, but he has also given them a 103 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: chance to project into the near future. And when the 104 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: transition is complete from franchise quarterback Eli Manning to the 105 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: next guy, he's already got himself established. And that's without 106 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: even on April two thousand nineteen draft. Okay, because I 107 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: would go as far to say to you in April 108 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen, I bet you Gettleman hits another home run. 109 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: Giants gonna be okay. Well, that's why what you just 110 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: laid out, poll is why the draft is so important, 111 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,239 Speaker 1: because when you're able to build a young nucleus around 112 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: even a veteran quarterback, it gives you the flexibility to 113 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: have these guys on rookie contracts or at least the 114 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: first four years the majority of them, and then you 115 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: determine if you want to pick up the fifth year 116 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: option for first round pick. So that's what the Giants 117 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: are putting together on both sides of the football, a 118 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: nucleus of weapons that are young that still haven't reached 119 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: their peaks and putting that around d Lion Manning and 120 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: expecting to be competitive. So that's obviously encouraging and promising. 121 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: They will need to do some tinkering. Obviously, they will 122 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: need to supplement, add depth, add fringe guys like any 123 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: other year you got a tweak. But it looks to 124 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: me like there will be some cost certainty with core 125 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: guys on both sides of the ball, not just for 126 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: the next year or two, but even a couple of 127 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: years beyond this. This is a very very well crafted 128 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: plan by Dave Getlman. The other thing I wanted to 129 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: point out connected to contracts, I was going through just 130 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: the Giants draft and the wide receivers, specifically Paul. What 131 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: makes Odell Beckham's contract unique? What was the last time 132 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: that a Giant's wide receiver who was drafted got a 133 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: second contract? Oh, I think about it. I mean, this 134 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: is a big milestone for not just old Dell Beham, 135 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: but for the organization. Remember Cruz was a free agent. 136 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: He he doesn't apply, he did not not apply, and 137 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: he did get a second contract, but he was undrafted. Well, 138 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: I'll go through the list with you. I believe, based 139 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: on my homework, I believe David Tyree would classify as 140 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: the last he was science drafted where he was a 141 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: special team. You're gonna say, I get that, that's why 142 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: he was here. He was though he did catch pass. 143 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: He did, but so you don't even want to classify. 144 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to. Then if that's the kid was 145 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: a special team. So if that's the case, then I'm curious, 146 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: then real quickly go through is going to be the 147 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: last one because I think this is very interesting. So 148 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: we gotta go back. Two thousand fourteen is when Odell 149 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: Beckham was drafted. Okay, so then you go to Ruben 150 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: Randall two thousand twelve, did not get a second contract. 151 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: Jerald Joern again in two thousand eleven, did not get 152 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: a second contract. We go to two thousand nine to 153 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: keep Nicks did not get a second contract. Ramsey's part 154 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: in same draft class did not get a second contract. 155 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: Mario Manningham he left to go to San Francisco, did 156 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: not get a second contract. In two thousand eight, Steve 157 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: Smith was negotiating but then decided to sign with the Rams. 158 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: Got hurt. He did not get a second contract. He 159 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: didn't go to the Rams. Well he was, he got 160 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: hurt and then went to the Eagles. Correct, wasn't I 161 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: thought that there was something with the rams that would 162 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: between and am I confusing myself? Maybe I'm confusing myself. Okay? 163 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: And then Sonora's Moss two thousand six did not get 164 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: a second contract a second one. Okay. Then we go 165 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: to two thousand four Jamaar Taylor. He did not get 166 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: a second contract. Two thousand three is when we get 167 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: to Willie Ponder and David Tyree and Kevin Walter. No, 168 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: I'm not going to count well you're not. Tyree technically 169 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: got a second contract, but you don't want a classif 170 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: I fine, you don't want a classic because he was 171 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl Special teams player. I understand. But to me, 172 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: it's like Cody Lattimer. Cody Latimer, if you go to 173 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: his Denver Days specialty, all right, you don't want to 174 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: go there, that's fine. We could do it off the air. 175 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: Tim Carter two thousand two, No, he didn't, okay. Darryl 176 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: Joe Owns was in that same draft class Jonathan Carter 177 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: two thousand one, Ron Dixon two thousand This is unbelievable 178 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: wide receiver Joe Jerivicious and Brian Alford. I told you, yes, 179 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: there you go. So that's our answer. By the way, 180 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: first round pick. Yes, first round pick. So that's why 181 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: I was looking back. Now we could get technical. I 182 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: still think you can make an argument about David Tyree. 183 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna passionately 184 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: say you're wrong. I get I'm gonna, so then I 185 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: kill you? Is the true wide receiver? Answer? Was the 186 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: last time a Giant's drafted wide receiver got a second contract. 187 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: That's why Odell Beckham's deal is extremely notable for multiple reasons, 188 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: not just for the present day time, but when you 189 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: look at the history of this organization. Yea, I thought 190 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: that was very interesting, just thinking with all these wide receivers. 191 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: Two one, five one three is the telephone number. I 192 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: want to add one more three to those folks who 193 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: think that beckham uh is getting too large a chunk 194 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: of the salary cap, because as I have preached and 195 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: George Young taught me many years ago, the foundation of 196 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: a playoff team starts with four key positions. The quarterback, 197 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: the left tackle, the pass rushing edge guy whoever that is, 198 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: could be an outside linebacker, could be a defensive end, 199 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: and a cover corner. I have preached that forever. George 200 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: Young taught me that thirty something years ago. Think of 201 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: the Giants. They got the cover corner and Jenkins, they 202 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 1: got the edge rusher in o V. They got the 203 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: left tackle and Solder, and they got the franchise quarterback 204 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: in Eli Manning. So they've got the benefit of having 205 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: the four foundation core players that you have to have 206 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: right as you try to build a winner. And then 207 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: on top of that, they now have not only one 208 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: of the best three wide receivers in the game, but 209 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: they all so have a guy who may turn out 210 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: to be one of the top five running backs in 211 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: the game. And see Kwon Barkley. And we know they 212 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: have a guy who was just a year ago a 213 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: finalist as the Defensive Player of the Year in Landon Collins. Folks, 214 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: you can't be you can't be too disappointed with the 215 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: way the Giants have set things up, which is why 216 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: I will not be shocked a when they beat the 217 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars as the upset special in Week number one 218 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: of this regular season. And I will also not discount 219 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: the fact that they should be realistically, at least in 220 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: the conversation, as a five hunder team which a bounce 221 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: or two he were there could make the Giants a 222 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: playoff team like the Jaguars wor a year ago when 223 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: they rebounded from a horror show in three victories. Well, 224 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: if you look at the Jaguars, a lot of things 225 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: fell into plays for them. Offensive line was tweaked team, 226 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: defense with a lot of depth, strong running game with 227 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: Leonard four Nette. So if you look at the Giants 228 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: and you want to use that parallel, Paul tweaked offensive 229 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: line with the addition of Sae Kwon Barkley, would you 230 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 1: hope translates to a strong or more consistent running game. 231 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: Then you look at the defense, there's depth here. I 232 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: don't know if there's as many proven commodities as what 233 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: Jacksonville had to offer. That remains to be seen. So 234 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a decrease. And then you 235 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: can argue with respect to special teams, probably even with 236 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: respect to what Jacksonville had to offer versus what the 237 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: Giants have to offer. But based on what we've seen 238 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: in the preseason, Paul, I think special teams has made 239 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: huge strides. So far, so good. You can't dispute that 240 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: that has been an area. Then guy correct, but still well, 241 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,599 Speaker 1: and I'm not just talking about the return game just 242 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: fantastically correct. So all of that is encompassed within special teams. 243 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: So when you take that into consideration, on paper, things 244 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: look good that there's balance on this roster. The other 245 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: thing I was gonna add is on your top four 246 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: priorities in terms of positions, I put Star wide receiver's 247 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: number five in terms of the building blocks to your team, 248 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 1: So Beckham would be that fifth option if you want 249 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: to take it a little bit deeper. That's how I 250 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: always have looked at it. Wide receiver rounds at the 251 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: top five point is don't sleep on the Giants this year. 252 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: They're They're not to be looked at as your typical 253 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: free win team coming back the next opening day. They 254 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: should not be discounted. We want to remind you a 255 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff line presented buy Corp's Light download the 256 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: Coors Light rewards app to an amazing Giants prizes throughout 257 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: the course of the season, and it's time to open 258 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: up the phone lines two zero one three, hashtag Giants 259 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: Chat on Twitter. He's palled a Teina on Lance Meadow. 260 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for tuning into Wednesday's edition A Big 261 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live Joe is in Pennsylvania. He gets us going, 262 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: welcome a board, Joe, Hey, great to talk, gives and 263 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: I can feel kickoff coming around the corner of my 264 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: blood pressure. It it's gonna be a week from this Sunday, 265 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: you know. I could feel it, you know. And we 266 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: are looking good. Uh you forgot the mentioned that small 267 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: most tackle we have on defense there, Paul Smack Harris 268 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: and he might add a little to it there too, 269 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: But I was impressed there in the Jets game too. 270 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: You're talking about our offense. How good, boy, it's gonna 271 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: look good if that Kyla Lutta can go deep like 272 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: that with his size and speed too, he's gonna be 273 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: singled up on on say a third or fourth cornerback. 274 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: When you say that, well, yeah, I think you're referring 275 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: to the wrong player that you had. Yeah, not excuse me, 276 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: the guy for the receiver from uh Denver came. You're 277 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: talking about Cody Latimer. You know what I'm saying. The 278 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: way he went deep and with his size and his speed, well, 279 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna be matched. You know, the way 280 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: he ran that play there, man, he really showed me. 281 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: I didn't think he had that speed. Well, he got 282 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: past Morris Clayborne, who bit on the play action. I'm 283 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: not trying to take anything away from Latimer, but if 284 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: you watched a play that was when Eli Manning had 285 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: fantastic pass protection, they ran a play action fake and 286 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: Morris Clayborne bit and Cody Lattimore said, thank you very much, 287 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: I will run past you, collect my two hundred dollars 288 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: and see you later. So yeah, it was perfect execution. 289 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: That's what it came down to. That's what I'm saying. 290 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: And you would think, you know, when we go three 291 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: wide receivers a lot of time they'd be matched up 292 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: on the third uh uh receiver from our third cornerback 293 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: from these teams that they play man the man, wouldn't 294 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: you say that? Yeah, in terms of who Cody Latimer 295 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: is gonna see in three wide receiver sets, I don't 296 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: think that's a stretch that they would probably look to 297 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: match up their best corners with Sheppard or Beckham. But 298 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: keep this in mind, Joe. Certain teams don't move their 299 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: corners around. They keep guys on respective side, so you 300 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: can't take that for grant. Don't I think the Giants 301 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: a lot they will zone this a lot I believe 302 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: that well, Jacksonville go zone or they go man the man. 303 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: Mostly well, Jalen rams they're confident that him and a J. 304 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: Boy A can handle their own. They're not worried about 305 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: zone to get up. And I mean they did have 306 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: Aaron Colvin last year he joined the Texans. He was 307 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: a really good slock corner. That's going to be the 308 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: interesting position to watch this year for Jacksonville. Who's gonna 309 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: be that third corner for them. I'll tell you what, 310 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: if teams really try to play a ton of man 311 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: the man against the Giants, they're gonna be very sorry 312 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: because when you you throw out. And I think Shephard 313 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: is just looking better than he's ever looked before. I think, 314 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: right now, man to man, it's dangerous to try to 315 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: cover him because he's that good right now, he looks 316 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: like he's going to have a huge after well. I 317 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: think it depends on the opposing personnel, Paul. I mean, 318 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: if there's teams, for example, Jalen Ramsey and a J 319 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: that the corners, that's what they do. So agree with 320 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: you know, you'd feel confident if you have them on 321 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: your defense, that they can go out and trust you 322 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: have elite guys. To do that, you'll be making a 323 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: mistake to play. I agree with you. It's extremely risk that, yeah, right, 324 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: because Shepherd when he showed his speeding d you know 325 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: what I mean, and catching the ball against the Jets 326 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: do and I mean Beckham, any of them guys like that, 327 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: you hit them if you're one on one, and I 328 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: mean they one of the receivers or the cornerback slipped 329 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: and the Giants get it to them, it's all over. Well, 330 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: that's why you're pointing to Joe, is what separated the 331 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: Giants from other teams in previous seasons because Odell Beckham 332 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: would run his routes. They bring the safety over the top, 333 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: and then it was a matter of can guys on 334 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: the opposite side of the field make play. So to 335 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: Paul's pointed, to your point, it's not so much what 336 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: Oldell Beckham does this season, it's can Shepherd take advantage 337 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: of his opportunities, Can Evan Ingram take advantage of his opportunities? 338 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: And will we see that third wide receiver like Cody 339 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: Latimer flourish. That's gonna make or break this offense. As 340 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: you know that John had some analytics stats that said, 341 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: the play action pass doesn't necessarily open up the passing game. 342 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: But come on, you just said it, Joe. Uh, there's 343 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: no question if a linebacker or a safety, never mind 344 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: even a corner. But if a linebacker or a safety 345 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: is faked out by the play action pass, that's one 346 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: step slower in coverage they're gonna be if they're trying 347 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: to help somebody out, and that's to the Giant's advantage. 348 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: Case closed. Yeah, they're you know what I mean, they're 349 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: whatever's if we can run the ball and that offensive 350 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: line can give them time. Really and truly that offense 351 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: should be no really give everybody uh trouble there. Uh 352 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: what I want to say, who stood out here with 353 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: with these teams here yet that are that we're playing. 354 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying, when I'm watching some of these rookies, well, 355 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: he's not a rookie sharp there. You know, he shows 356 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: a lot of potential. I know if you drop balls. 357 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: And the other guy there that was running back the 358 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: kicks against the Jet, I was hoping one of them 359 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: would make make the team. Do you think I think 360 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: it's who you're referring to you, I think you're referring 361 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: to Calif Raymond, Joe and Hunter's shop the two guys 362 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: who had good return in the last game, and and well, 363 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: we'll let you go on that note, Joe, because we 364 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: want to get to a few of the calls. But 365 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: takes so much a weighing in that to me brings 366 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: us to some of the battles and positions to watch 367 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: tomorrow night, Paul, and I think Joe hit on it. 368 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: Big opportunity for Hunters Sharp and calif Raymond. If you're 369 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: the Giants still trying to think about who's maybe the 370 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: fifth wide receiver at this point, for me, I think 371 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: only one of them can stick. I don't know that 372 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: the Giants have enough room for both of them. Because 373 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm of the opinion right now they're going to keep 374 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: five wide receivers. I don't think they're going to keep six. 375 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: In years past, they've sometimes kept six. I don't think 376 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 1: they can afford to do that because I think they're 377 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: thin in the secondary. I think they need to probably 378 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: keep an extra defensive guy in the front seven. Knowing 379 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: that Vernon is nicked up with the ankle right now 380 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: and he's still listed his day to day, I think 381 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: they probably are going to try to maybe keep an 382 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: extra offensive lineman if they possibly can, because they're really 383 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: thin on the depth chart on the offensive line. So 384 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's gonna be five receivers and from me 385 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: after Latimer at three, Russell Shepherd's four, and that means 386 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: one more. The only thing that I'm thinking is if 387 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: they feel good about what Roger Lewis has provided in 388 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: the past and on special teams, he had a great 389 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: block on that return, terrific on So you know it's 390 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: things like that, Paul that I'm bringing that up just 391 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: to say you need guys like that that contribute on 392 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: special teams. I could see it going to six if 393 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: they see Roger Lewis's value on special teams. That's how 394 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: I can see them getting to six. Again, remember they're 395 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: probably going to keep Shane Smith at fullback, so it's 396 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: not like you can steal a spot from the fullback 397 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: because I think they're going to keep one. I would 398 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: agree with you there. The question is, I mean, does 399 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: he classifying their mind as also a tight end and 400 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: if they keep three tight ends would be included in that. 401 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: I don't think. So you say three tight ends plus 402 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: Shane Smith, I don't because they want to run a 403 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: bunch of two tight endsets, and right now every ingram 404 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: is in concussion protocol. You cannot afford to go into 405 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: Week one against Jacksonville with the only true tight ends 406 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: on your roster being Adams and Ellison. That is a 407 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: very dangerous thing to do because if either first of all, 408 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: they're not as dynamic, you know, as the other combination, 409 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: but if either one of them gets nicked up, now 410 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me Shane Smith has to go in 411 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: there into the double tight end set, which they're going 412 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: to try to run a lot this season, even if 413 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: it's for one week. That's not a good idea because 414 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: now you've heard two positions. Your tight end position is 415 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: not going to be a strong because Smith is not 416 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: a typical tight end and you're not gonna have a fullback. 417 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: That's not good. Let's say back to the phone line. 418 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: Scott is in New Mexico. Scott, what do you got 419 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: for us? Good morning? Are you hi? Uh? Listening to 420 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 1: your monologue this morning, it sounds like you guys are 421 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: starting to drink the kool aid that I drank back 422 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: in late to it about the Giants being a contender. 423 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: Drink Gatorade. Here by the way, just so you know, 424 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: I had a question about the contract with Odell Beckham. 425 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: If it runs its full course, he'll be making ninety 426 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: million a year for five years with sixty five million guaranteed. 427 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: I talked on the previous shows, I didn't know where 428 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: paying they sold her about thirty five million guaranteed. Uh 429 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: does it? Does it make it essential that this year 430 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: the Giants performed because do they have any money left 431 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: to sign outside players? Um? And there are some weaknesses 432 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: on the Giants, But I was just concerned with that 433 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: is and I know Pauling in a earlier conversation you 434 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: talked about a topologist and land. You alluded to the 435 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: fact that the cap space is going up. But still 436 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: that's a lot of money to be paying out. So 437 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: will there be money avail both you think for other players? Well, 438 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: see the reason why I'm a little skeptical of starting 439 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: to think about what's going to happen at two thousand 440 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: and two one Scott is because contracts tend to be 441 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: tweaked from one year two another. So you know when 442 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: you look at Oldell Beckham's contract, Yes, I understand it's 443 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: laid out the year extension in addition to two thousand eighteen. 444 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: But you know, who's to say that they don't maybe 445 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: make it changed a change to it if they need 446 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: to free up some more money elsewhere two or three 447 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: years down the road. So you know, it's hard to 448 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: sit here today and say the Giants are not in 449 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: a good position because of all these guys that have 450 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: multi year contracts. You also got the cb A expiring 451 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: in just another couple and the nobody knows how that's 452 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: going to alter everything. And quite frankly, if you did 453 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: listen to the monologue, I'm gonna be honest with you, Scott, 454 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: the way I laid it out, it looks as though 455 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: the Giants are gonna have the better part of six 456 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: or seven solid core players on both sides of the 457 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: ball for at least another two years, if not longer, 458 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: and so they don't have to sign any high price 459 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: free agents to be a competitive team. In my mind, 460 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: if they draft well again in April of two thousand nineteen, 461 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: imagine adding let's just say two more stud offensive linemen 462 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: in April of two thousand nineteen, maybe it maybe add 463 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: another the corner. We know that Sam Beale is already 464 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: going to be part of that draft because he was 465 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: taken this year. I mean, think about this for a second. 466 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: The Giants, they've got a lot of really good guys 467 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: who are gonna be around for at least two more 468 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: seasons in their starting lineup. Yeah, and I think that's 469 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: great to want. The question I had is, and I 470 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 1: think John addressed it in an earlier conversation, is looking 471 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: for backup tackles and probably in the waiver wire. And 472 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: I was wondering, because of the money is being paid 473 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: out all that, will there be money available if somebody 474 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: comes to fruition via the waiver wire where we can 475 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: actually sign backup tackle or so forth. You don't need 476 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: to worry about that, because anybody who comes available as 477 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: an offensive tackle in another week or so is going 478 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: to be a fringe player. No One who is really 479 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: worth any type of substantial contract is gonna find themselves 480 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: cut on April one. Now, the guy may be good 481 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: enough and functional enough for you to upgrade your roster 482 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: at the third tackle spot, but he's not going to 483 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: be a guy who's going to command a whole lot 484 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: more than the veteran minimum. Yeah, you know, be a 485 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 1: little bit, maybe a little tiny Sonny bonus, but not 486 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: for the kind of money you're talking about. You're not 487 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: gonna have to break over the piggy bank for any 488 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: player that you may add before the final three. Yeah. 489 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: My My final question has to do whether there were 490 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: five players listed I listened to. I guess it was 491 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: Joe before. In regards to Hunter Sharp and Calif Raymond. UH. 492 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: Hunter Sharp has shown in the preseen the proclivity to 493 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: be dropping passes. I wasn't worried about his punt returning, 494 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: but his dropping passes, and Calif Raymond seems solid on 495 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: punt returns and what I've seen in practice is impressive. 496 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: So I'll take this question off the air between Hunter 497 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: Sharp and UH Cliff Raymond and then two other players 498 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: when I talked about on Monday, Kerry Win and Romeo Aquara. 499 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: If all things, if apples are the apple, so to speak, 500 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: who are the two players that either of you UH 501 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: would take on your team? And I'll take the question 502 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: off the guys. Thanks, I appreciate the phone call. Thanks 503 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: so much for Wayne. Well. First, I think he's going 504 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: on in a erroneous premise because last week Cutter Shop 505 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: dropped to throw down passes that would have been first 506 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: down conversions, but the prior week against Detroit muffed a 507 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: return and then a return. So he has had trouble 508 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: holding onto the ball, both in the offense and on 509 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: special teams. So that's a statement you gotta kind of 510 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: get fixed from the get go before you make any 511 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: other evaluation. Cahlif Raymond had five fumbles last year during 512 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: the regular season, and how many times did he touch 513 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: the ball? He had Let's see, he had one reception 514 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: and he had where's the where's this return yardage? Oh? 515 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: My goodness, why don't they have us here? Here we go? 516 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: So he had five punt returns and three kickoff returns, 517 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: so that's eight nine. He had nine touches last year 518 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: and five fumbles. Oh boy, so the fumbles came. You're 519 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: saying on offense. I'm sorry, let me correct myself because 520 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: he played with two teams last year. Remember, so he 521 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,959 Speaker 1: had a total of eighteen punt returns, fourteen kickoff returns. 522 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: That's thirty two touches on special teams and on u 523 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: offense he caught one pass. Okay, so that is a 524 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: total of three touches between offense and special teams. He 525 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: had five fumbles. Does that make you comfortable. Well, I mean, 526 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: they're also going to be based on what happened this preseason. 527 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: He hasn't necessarily had that much of an issue that 528 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: I've seen in terms of he's held this summer, But 529 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: that's gonna be in the back of your head because 530 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: those were real games. This is practice well, and they 531 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: both have connections to take toll Bird, who's the wide 532 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: receiver's coach, because they were both in Denver at one point. 533 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a tough one. If you were to 534 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: ask me, you know, who I would personally go with. 535 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: If I had the choice between both, I would probably 536 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: lean towards Hunter Sharp regardless of some of his issues. 537 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: I still think his upside is there and and I 538 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: still think that he provides a little bit more versatility 539 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: than Calif Raymond and also has a little bit more size. 540 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: So when you take all that into consideration, if you're 541 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: asking me my personal opinion, who I would lean towards keeping, 542 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: I would keep Hunter Sharp. As far as Romeo quar 543 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: Vers kerry Win. Kerry Win has been phenomenal this preseason. 544 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, the guy has done everything 545 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: that the Giants have asked him to do. Every single 546 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: preseason game, Paul kerry Win has made a play, whether 547 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: beyond special teams or on defense. I would say that 548 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: he's been the most impressive player this preseason, more so 549 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: than anybody else on this roster. For what he has 550 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: put down on film. It's very hard to see the 551 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: Giants let go of Kerry Wins. So to me, I 552 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: would lean towards Kerry Winn and Hunter Sharp if you 553 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,479 Speaker 1: ask me, both of those scenarios at Utah State. In 554 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: two seasons of play, that's all he played, Hunter Sharp, 555 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: he had one hundred and six one hundred and seventy 556 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: one total touches from scrimmage or in special teams and 557 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: did not fumble once. That's why I said, I mean, 558 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: what happened last season is, you know, not something that 559 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: necessarily jumps off the page. But he has not had 560 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: an issue this summer in terms of holding on. I 561 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: don't think that's a major concern He's he's had he's 562 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: had trouble with the ball the last two weeks, but 563 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: he doesn't have fumblelis at least coming from college in 564 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: his background. That's what I'm saying. So I'm probably inclined 565 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: to agree with you between those two players. But it 566 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: would not shock me if the Giants decided to pick 567 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: up a return guy in a week and a half. 568 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: And it will also be interesting to see whether or not, 569 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, some other players get opportunities in this final 570 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: game too. I mean, we've really seen mostly Hunter Sharp 571 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: and Calif Raymond. I was wondering whether out they were 572 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: going to test the waters with a few other guys 573 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: Paul here down the stress, just to experiment to see it, 574 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: maybe somebody else surprised it. You would have thought, see 575 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: one guy who's a really good special teams player and 576 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: he's known more for his coverage. I would actually be 577 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: interested as see Russell Shepard get an opportunity to return 578 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: just to see what he could do. This would be 579 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: another one. Yeah, if you want to go to the 580 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: corner route anyway, like those two guys in particular, who 581 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: are also baddly for positions, I think would make a 582 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: lot of sense. All right, let's adad back to the lines. 583 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: Tony's in DC. Tony, what's happening there? You go? Thanks 584 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: for making it, Tony? What do you offer us? Got 585 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: the statement and two questions, and I think they're fun questions. 586 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: Once you guys may have already thought of maybe maybe. 587 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: So first, you know, as a fan of the team, 588 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: and this is you know, every all the other fans 589 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: out there. It only helps to root for the success 590 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: of players on your bluster. I mean, there's nothing wrong 591 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: with being hopeful that web and or allot Letter could 592 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: can't play this now. There is a whole lot between 593 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: now and then that can happen. No one knows what's 594 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: going to happen, but both of them working out only 595 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: helps us as a franchise. Same thing with Flower as 596 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: an apple and everyone, no doubt. Absolutely, that's my quick statement. 597 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: So here are my two questions, and I want to 598 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: hear your pins. I want to see what you thought 599 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: of the three units you know, offense, defense, and special teams. 600 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: Which of the three should be the best unit for 601 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: this upcoming season. Well, I would always lean towards it. 602 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: If your defense is your best unit, I think you're 603 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: gonna position yourself to be successful because you're gonna take 604 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: pressure off of the offense and you're gonna be able 605 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: to make stops. So I would always prioritize defense regardless 606 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: of the season. I would only say that to be realistic. 607 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: I think the Giants offense has a better chance of 608 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: finishing in the top five in the NFL this year, 609 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: And I would agree with you, defense or special teams 610 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: do well. I think on paper, if you were to 611 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: play the paper game, I think the offense has the 612 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: highest ceiling in terms of the ability to produce. But 613 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: I think if you go back to the wording of 614 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: Tony and he says which should be your best unit, 615 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: you'd like it should be your best well, but I 616 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: would say forget the Giants organization. I'd say any team, Paul, 617 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: your defense should be your best unit, because if you 618 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,239 Speaker 1: can make stops, then you know you can hang your 619 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: hat on that, then you can get off the field. 620 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: What's the other question, Tony? Do we lose? Tony? All Right? 621 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: He's gone, Tony laugh to wait for another program to 622 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: get in the second question. Reminder Big Blue Kickoff Line 623 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: presented by Corps Light download the Corps Live rewards app 624 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: to an amazing Giants prizes throughout the season. Wednesdays that 625 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: they should a Big Blue Kickoff Live. We're looking ahead 626 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: to the final preseason game, also recapping some news and 627 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: notes regarding the team. We talked about Odell Beckham's contract. 628 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: You want to weigh in various things. We have some 629 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: open lines. Chris is in Syracuse. Chris, what's happenings? Chris? 630 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: What do you got for us? I don't know. Tyree 631 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: looked like a receiver in Super Bowl for me to listen, Chris, 632 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: I greet with you. Good luck trying to convince the 633 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: guy to the left and Syracuse. Paul No, but I 634 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: got it. Just remember this. I'm a Fordham guy, so Syracuse. Yeah, 635 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: Now that was about the only time so at Lass. 636 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: That was interesting. Good work on that. I always like 637 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: to look at the archives when it could help, So 638 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: I thought that was an interesting nugget. Okay, Paulie, I 639 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: got them two and two coming out of September. We've 640 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: been you've been throwing that around for a little while. 641 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: I got them two and two. I got them beating 642 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: the Jaguars with you. I think that's black and pie 643 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: right on those uniforms. I'm not buying them to keep going. 644 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: And I have them beaten Dallas and then I think so, 645 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: I think they go too and oh and then they 646 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: dropped the next two. That's that's my prediction. Very plausible, 647 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: very plausible. Yeah, because I think Watson and Drew Brees 648 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 1: are gonna are going to give the defense a little 649 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: bit more issues than obviously what I think bortals are. 650 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: Prescott's gonna go keep keep been mind, Chris, listen, I'm 651 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: not saying that it's a stretch there, but all four 652 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: of those quarterbacks are mobile. Now, you want to say 653 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: that Watson and bruising more, Watson and Breeds are more dangerous, 654 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: I'll give you that, But bortles in Prescott can extend place. 655 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: They also do danger with their legs. So I think 656 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: the defense gonna be tested in all four games. Well, 657 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: I agree with you there, but I also think that 658 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: both Jacksonville and Dallas rely on the run, and so 659 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: far what we've seen is that I think the Giants 660 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: are gonna be able to shut the run down. Yeah, 661 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: and they don't have the weaponry those those two teams 662 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: don't have the weaponry on the outside. And right now, 663 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: with Dallas having three offensive linemen who are having health issues, 664 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: that doesn't bode well for them in week two. No, no, 665 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: hopefully the guy there, well, hopefully they all get healthy soon. 666 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: But that Gian Bray thing is kind of scary. So 667 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,439 Speaker 1: um so. Yeah, and just one of the quick questions 668 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: that I'll hop off, what's going on with our special 669 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: teams coordinators? He back? Or is Quinn's still filling in? 670 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: Quinn is the assistant to Thomas mcgege who was hired 671 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: as the special teams coordinator. Uh. Tom Quinn had a 672 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: year remaining on his contract, and since he was still 673 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: in the area, and obviously he knew Thomas from years 674 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: ago when they were both on the staff and Thomas 675 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: was an assistant. Uh. Pat Shermer's like, hey, you know what, 676 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: he's here. Uh, he didn't get picked up by anybody. 677 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: He's still around. You've worked with him before. We we 678 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: we know he's got experience, he knows these players. Why not, 679 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: and so that's why he's back as an assistant. So. Uh, 680 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 1: Thomas mcginckey has also had some health issues and that's 681 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: another reason why. You know, it kind of helps to 682 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: have another guy here, right right, I thought, wasn't he's 683 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: filling in like he was the only guy for a 684 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: couple of weeks? Or Am I wrong on that? Well, 685 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: it was mostly in the downtime in the off season 686 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: when they had health issues that they needed to attend 687 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: to Thomas. So therefore, Quinn came back in to sort 688 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: of assist in preparation and you know, make sure that 689 00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: the schemes were being implemented correctly. Nothing wrong with that said, 690 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah you got Chris, Thanks so much for weighing in. 691 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines. We got Marco 692 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: in Connecticut. Marco, what's happening? Hey, what's up? Guys? How 693 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: are you good? Um? I got an O B J 694 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: point and then just a couple of roster battles that 695 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: I'm looking at. Um. I'm pumped up about the contract. 696 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: I'm happy it got done, and I'm happy with the 697 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: way the off season has gone for Odell and the team. Uh. Perfect, 698 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,720 Speaker 1: perfect way to get a good player like that sign Um. 699 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: One thing that I don't know if it was said 700 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: in his when he met with the media or Lance 701 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: you and John something you said yesterday. But I keep 702 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: hearing about how and I and I think he will. 703 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: I think he has. Certainly he looks like he's made 704 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 1: some type of some various amounts of changes right, whatever 705 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: they are, And he looks like he's growing up a 706 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: little bit. For me, I will say that the true 707 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: sign of him being a leader is you're only going 708 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: to be able to tell that during the season when 709 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: he's getting poked and prodded and teams are coming after him. 710 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: And that's only been my issue with O'Dell is like, 711 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: I know the team loves them. I think he is 712 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: a leader, but it always comes within the white lines 713 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 1: of the distractions and like players that are getting under 714 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: his skin, and how his head gets taken out of 715 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: the game. And I and I and I hope if 716 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: he views himself as a leader, I think that is 717 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: certainly the next step. Um well with with respect to that, 718 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: Marco and I always hear, you know, people saying distraction 719 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: taking himself out of the game. If you look at 720 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham's tenure with the Giants, the only game that 721 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: you could tell me where there is hardcore evidence that 722 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: it reflected badly on the team hurt them in terms 723 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: of penalties was the Carolina game in two thousand fifteen, 724 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: the whole Josh Norman situation. There is no other game 725 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: that you can really sell me on that despite whatever 726 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: you may have seen on the sidelines, despite the fact 727 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: that he's an emotional guy, it badly reflected on the 728 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: team where it hurt them in field position and and 729 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: it hurt them offensively. The Carolina game is the only 730 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: game that I can recall that that's Lance, that's fair, 731 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: that's fair, I would say, just and respectfully, I would 732 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 1: say there's a lot of gray area that's gone on 733 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: with him. Uh, Minnesota jumps out to me when he 734 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: and Xavier Rhodes were getting into it. Okay, that was 735 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: one And by the way, the Vikings blew the Giants 736 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: out that day, So is it really relevant. It is relevant, Paul, 737 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,439 Speaker 1: because he's a leader on the team and this There 738 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: will be times during the year where we will be 739 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: faced with adversity. There will be times where Eli will 740 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: throw U and I hope it doesn't happen. He'll throw 741 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 1: an interception on the last drive of the game and 742 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: the cameras will go to Odell, they will ask him 743 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: after the game how he feels about it. There's no yeah, yeah, 744 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that. I just thought 745 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,280 Speaker 1: that you were trying to make the point to Lance 746 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,959 Speaker 1: about you know, how many of these things actually hurt 747 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: the team on the field, and Lance is right that 748 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: one issue in Carolina is the only one you can 749 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: point to where it actually he did burn them on 750 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: the field. The the other the other times. I mean, 751 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 1: the Giants were not really involved in any games where 752 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: his penalty cost them a victory to this point, and 753 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: you hope it doesn't happen. Yeah, Well last year he 754 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: got a penalty against the Eagles with the touchdown celebration. Yeah, 755 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: but I don't think that cost him the game. But 756 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: that cost him something on the field though, that like that, 757 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: that was that. I understand the ownership wants him to 758 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: clean the stuff up, and he claims that he has. 759 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 1: He's twenty five. John Marras says, at this age, we 760 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: believe that he is more mature and he understands what 761 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: has happened. Odell himself said yesterday, if you listen to 762 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: his presser, he said, I'm not proud of everything that 763 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: I've done, but what i will tell you is I've 764 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: learned from him and and and I'm moving forward. You know, 765 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: he intends to be proud of his career. And I 766 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: actually I'm going back to that game log Giants and 767 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,399 Speaker 1: Eagles because I have I track every single penalty from 768 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: every single game every season. They had ten penalties the 769 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: Giants in that game. Beckham had two of them. He 770 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,720 Speaker 1: had an offensive pass interference and then to Marco's point, 771 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: he had the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty in the end zone. 772 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: So that was two of his three penalties. Small sample size. 773 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: Didn't play a lot of games last He's played four games, 774 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: But if you go back to the previous seasons. Unfortunately 775 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: I don't have my logs with me, but the narrative 776 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: that Beckham's energy and emotions poorly reflects on the team 777 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: is not documented. Where he's getting constant penalties that are 778 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,280 Speaker 1: hurting field position. That's what's always irritated me about that narrative, 779 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: completely blown out of proportion simply because of some of 780 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: the emotions that he showcased on the sideline. But you know, 781 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: I mean, him having a conversation with the football net 782 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: didn't hurt the giants at the hall from an XS 783 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 1: and O standpoint, and that he took a lot of heat. 784 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: He took it in a month's an immense amount of heat. 785 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,720 Speaker 1: But I'm all about what hurts your team in field position. 786 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,959 Speaker 1: If you get a penalty in acusse of fifteen yards, 787 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: then you could tell me that behavior is poorly reflecting 788 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 1: on the team. That I think is a fair point. 789 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: How you act on the sideline celebrating the end zone, 790 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,760 Speaker 1: and you know, guys slap at each other five or whatever. 791 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: I mean. The Vikings got a touchdown celebration. They played 792 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: duck duck goose in the end zone. I know you 793 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: hated it. I loved it, Paul, No, Marco, I'll let 794 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,839 Speaker 1: you continue. The Viking's played duck duck goose because they 795 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: loosen the rules last year to allow teams to celebrate, 796 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 1: so guys are entitled to showcase emotion in the end zone. 797 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: The league is allowing that. I don't see how that's 798 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 1: a crime. I want, I definitely want to come back 799 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: at you with this lance, but I don't want to 800 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: make it all about that, because I'm happy. I have 801 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: more than happy to hear you out say whatever you 802 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 1: gotta say. I have no problem, no, no, My My 803 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,319 Speaker 1: point is, and you guys you know this because you 804 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: spend time with the players. Yes, you are correct, directly 805 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: impacting very very little sample size. However, when the things 806 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: with the net and anything else that's going on post 807 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,320 Speaker 1: green Bay, before Green Bay, you could say that directly 808 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: did not impact anything that went on field. Absolutely true. However, 809 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,839 Speaker 1: asked the team do they like being asked about that 810 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 1: all the time, and I would say the sign of 811 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 1: a leader does not do that. They cannot put that 812 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:17,439 Speaker 1: kind of attention or put their microscope. You and I 813 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,719 Speaker 1: understand the opinion that you're presenting, but I'm going to 814 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: tell you this, if, if, if the writers would show 815 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: a little more common sense, Okay, I could care less. 816 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: I could care less. Well, they're not going to because 817 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,920 Speaker 1: their clickbait mongers, so they're not going to show common sense. 818 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: But what what do you mean common sense and common sense? 819 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: I don't care. If Odell Beckham does a waltz with 820 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: the kicking net behind the bench, it is of total 821 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:51,840 Speaker 1: irrelevance to me, means absolutely zero. If Eli Manning dances 822 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 1: with the net, He's more than welcome to do it. 823 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 1: In fact, I'll give him a CD if he wants 824 00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: to get some music to accompany it. It matters zero zero. 825 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: The reason it matters is because there are immediate people 826 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: out there who want to make it matter, who make 827 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 1: clickbait out of it, who make it their business to 828 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: ask ridiculous questions about stuff that does not matter, and 829 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: they cause the distractions. Yeah, we've we've I've I've called in, 830 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 1: We've talked about this before stuffing with Twitter. How has 831 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 1: changed everything? I agree with you guys there and put 832 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: everybody to the microscope and to your point, and just 833 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 1: expanding on what Paul Justice said, it's very convenient, Marco, 834 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: when a team loses a football game to point to 835 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: things that are unrelated to the XS and o's as 836 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 1: to why they lost the football game. For example, if 837 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,359 Speaker 1: they went on the boat trip on that Monday and 838 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,799 Speaker 1: people still refer to that, and then Odell Beckham had 839 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: a case of the drop seas, you're gonna tell me 840 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 1: that he forgot how to catch the football because he 841 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: enjoyed himself on his off day why they lost the game. 842 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: You can't accept the laws, so therefore we got to 843 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: turn to other things to explain why they lost the game. 844 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: When you and I both know, Marco, if you go 845 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: back to that Packers wild card playoff game, Aaron Rodgers 846 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 1: took advantage of DRC being taken out of the game 847 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: in the second half. They had issues in terms of 848 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 1: not being able to run the football and other things 849 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: such as that long touchdown that they gave up before 850 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: the end of the first half. Ball that had nothing 851 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: to do with Odell Beckham. Yet how does something that 852 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,240 Speaker 1: happened on the Monday on and off day where plenty 853 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: of other players did things with their families that nobody 854 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 1: talked about, it took photos of, and nobody goes questioning 855 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,879 Speaker 1: whether or not them having time with their families took 856 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 1: away from their preparation. You seek the game, Well, exactly, 857 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: that's exactly what it is. More often than not, it's 858 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: to build. If more fans would not pay attention to 859 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: that stuff and not click on the clickbait, maybe it 860 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: would start to go away. Yeah. Well, I agree with 861 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: you there, and I'll be honest with you. I've started 862 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 1: to change my ways too. There's certain writers I just 863 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: won't click on what they write anymore because hey, that's 864 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: my way of taking a stance. I don't know what 865 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 1: other people do, but you gotta go there. But um, 866 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: let me, let me let me change this for a second. Um, 867 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 1: A couple of guys the roster that I've been thinking 868 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: about Lance, I agree with you. I think I would 869 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: go with Hunters sharp as well. I got even in 870 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,719 Speaker 1: the off season. I thought he was going to be 871 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: some type of a secret weapon. A little bit of 872 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: a letdown with some of the mental things that have 873 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,279 Speaker 1: gone on with the drops and um, he fumbled a 874 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: staff and even like those big third down place he 875 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 1: I was watching the game last week and I'm thinking 876 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,000 Speaker 1: to myself, I'm like, this guy reminds me a little 877 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 1: bit of Preston Parker and I and I and I 878 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,879 Speaker 1: don't want to go there. I just want we need 879 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,319 Speaker 1: that role to be solidified. And I'm like, and I'm 880 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,959 Speaker 1: thinking he could, he could take it. He could take 881 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,279 Speaker 1: that role, and he's doing a lot to drop it, 882 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? No fun attended. Actually, the 883 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,719 Speaker 1: other um, the other guys that I'm interested to um 884 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 1: are two two things and I'll jump off tight ends. 885 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 1: This d Groom injury and if if there's anything going 886 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: on with Ellison really complicates things. UM, I came on late, 887 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: so I don't know if you guys addressed this, but 888 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,400 Speaker 1: if they have to take more tight ends, like and 889 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:06,239 Speaker 1: I'm thinking Tops three with Adams Ellison and Ingram and 890 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 1: Ingram even though I like some of the other guys, 891 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,839 Speaker 1: I just don't think the roster will allow it like 892 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 1: to to really go forward at that position. However, if 893 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 1: there are injuries, that's gonna do to change that and 894 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 1: every Moss is a guy that I just don't I mean, 895 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,040 Speaker 1: even if he didn't, I don't know where he is 896 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: on the depth chart. I don't know what he's exactly shown. 897 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to give up on a guy like that. 898 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,680 Speaker 1: I agree with you. Yeah, he treats me. He's got 899 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,680 Speaker 1: big ups. I agree with that. He's got like find 900 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,920 Speaker 1: no way to get him on anyway you can. But 901 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,959 Speaker 1: it's really Hardfaul, I know it is position. I also 902 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: think it's possible he could maybe be put on the 903 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:50,239 Speaker 1: practice squad, clear waivers and the potential out. I hope 904 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,359 Speaker 1: he is there because I don't think he should leave 905 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,920 Speaker 1: the building. I think there's definitely something there. And then 906 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 1: quickly about Ellison. He's in concussion protocol, but he's been 907 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,720 Speaker 1: out on the field in the on light, uh, jogging 908 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 1: on the side and watching the team practice with the trainers. 909 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,279 Speaker 1: Usually when a guy is earlier concussion protocol, they don't 910 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,360 Speaker 1: even have him outside in the light because light causes 911 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: dizziness and headaches. So the fact that he's out there, 912 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,799 Speaker 1: that's a very good sign like he is already progressing 913 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 1: well coming out of it. And Ellison got poked in 914 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,400 Speaker 1: the eye and had a Migraine. During the course of 915 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,319 Speaker 1: the Jets game, he has been out there practicing, so 916 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,640 Speaker 1: I don't consider that to be an issue right now. 917 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: Before we get to the next phone call, I also 918 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,160 Speaker 1: want to expand on not trying to beat this Odell 919 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 1: Beckham topic like a dead horse, but our producer David 920 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: Dominic doing some nifty research for us to just further 921 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: prove when Odell Beckham's picked up a penalty, how it's 922 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,200 Speaker 1: impacted the team. So if you go back to that 923 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: Eagles game that Marco brought up Paul where the end 924 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,520 Speaker 1: zone celebration, he was penalized on sportsmanlike conduct. Okay, the 925 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,160 Speaker 1: Eagles actually fumbled on the very next drive, Giants recovered, 926 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: Odell scored a second touchdown, and then the next Eagles 927 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 1: drive they punted, and then the Giant scored on the 928 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 1: Shepherd said of the seven yard touchdown to give them 929 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,480 Speaker 1: the lead. But let's do some further analysis. So after 930 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,760 Speaker 1: the Odell penalty, Aldrick Rosas kicked off from the twenty 931 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 1: yard line. It was a seventy four yard kick which 932 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 1: was returned to the twenty nine yard line. If you 933 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,600 Speaker 1: remove the penalty and Rosas just kicks off normally would 934 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,399 Speaker 1: have been a touch back to the twenty five. You're 935 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,279 Speaker 1: talking about a difference of four yards, a very minute 936 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,759 Speaker 1: impact on the team. So you know that's important to 937 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,320 Speaker 1: look at when you make the point of oh my god, 938 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 1: what was he doing, what was he thinking? And so forth. 939 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,440 Speaker 1: Anybody can express the opinion that they don't like it 940 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,759 Speaker 1: or that it's not a good look. I would never 941 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 1: argue that the optics. The optics are more than welcome 942 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,240 Speaker 1: to have that opinion, but to state it as a fact, 943 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,360 Speaker 1: as a factual detriment, well, you've just laid out the 944 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,880 Speaker 1: evidence and it doesn't hold up. Great stuff out of 945 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,799 Speaker 1: our producer, David Dominic. The other thing that I also 946 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: wanted to clarify when we were talking about the special teams. 947 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,360 Speaker 1: Tom Quinn is a full time assistant coach this season. 948 00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,360 Speaker 1: He is going to be on the staff for the 949 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,799 Speaker 1: entire year. Just to clarify that he wasn't like a 950 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,839 Speaker 1: rental coach filling in for a few days. Jerry, want 951 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,040 Speaker 1: to get the right intel out here on the program. 952 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,120 Speaker 1: All right, Now that that's clear, let's head back to 953 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 1: the phone lines as we move along with the dialogue. 954 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,200 Speaker 1: Len Is in Columbia Maryland Len, what's happening? How are 955 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:20,280 Speaker 1: you doing? Thinks good? Good Um. To steal a line 956 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:25,000 Speaker 1: from my recent television head. When I heard the rumor 957 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,799 Speaker 1: about O'Dell's signing a couple of days ago, forty eight 958 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,240 Speaker 1: hours ago, I broke out into my little happy dance. 959 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 1: Can you take a video of that, lend, so we 960 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,719 Speaker 1: could post it on social media. I could probably do 961 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,319 Speaker 1: it again and have my wife. We would love that. 962 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,200 Speaker 1: We would absolutely recommend that. If that's feasible, well, I 963 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:49,520 Speaker 1: can say, is my goodness? The guys, the guy's worth 964 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,319 Speaker 1: four wins a year by himself. I mean, do you 965 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,920 Speaker 1: know how lucky we are to have Odell Beckham on 966 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:06,120 Speaker 1: this roster? I mean, dance guys, I mean, this is yeah. 967 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,480 Speaker 1: If we don't like the antics, you know, pulling you 968 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,920 Speaker 1: in leland and turn your back until the relief pitcher 969 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,440 Speaker 1: goes through his antics and it's over, and then you 970 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:18,520 Speaker 1: go out and congratulate him. But man, oh man, I'm 971 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 1: happy it's hected. This guy's on our roster. But listen, 972 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:22,960 Speaker 1: let me tell you where I'm coming from with that. 973 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: I drank some kool aid in nineteen fifty two and 974 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:33,360 Speaker 1: I still got a little hangover, so the Giant's uniform on, 975 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,680 Speaker 1: you're my guy. But in Beckham's case, hey, it's gonna 976 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:41,319 Speaker 1: work out. Hey, listen, approach to you know, I got 977 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:42,640 Speaker 1: to get to what I told the guy I was 978 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,640 Speaker 1: going to talk about, Sorry about that. They're always nice, 979 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,120 Speaker 1: They're always nice to say, what do you want to 980 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,359 Speaker 1: talk about? And I try to address everything that I 981 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,279 Speaker 1: that I say, so approached the Thursday Nights game. What 982 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,480 Speaker 1: do you is this? And I'm going to exaggerate a 983 00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,800 Speaker 1: little bit, but are we going to see two teams 984 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,160 Speaker 1: forty five guys who don't playing, forty five guys who 985 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,319 Speaker 1: do play? I mean, what do we what do we 986 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,040 Speaker 1: think about Thursday? I mean, does HELI get a series? 987 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 1: What do you what are you hearing? What do you think? 988 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,400 Speaker 1: My my guests? Because coach Shermer would not reveal potential 989 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,200 Speaker 1: snap counts for the game, you know, he has always 990 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,680 Speaker 1: consistently said, I'm going to play the veterans who I 991 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,640 Speaker 1: think need to get prepared to get ready for Jacksonville, 992 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,319 Speaker 1: and those who are preparing at practice and don't need 993 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,640 Speaker 1: the extra reps will not get it. So, um, my 994 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,960 Speaker 1: opinion is I would want to see the starting offensive 995 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,719 Speaker 1: line for a quarter. I think they have played a 996 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,480 Speaker 1: total of five combined quarters through the first three preseason games, 997 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,719 Speaker 1: and I think they need more time, and because I 998 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,879 Speaker 1: don't think they're playing at their peak yet. And they 999 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 1: played with Davis Webb against Detroit, so it's very possible 1000 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,239 Speaker 1: that they could get in. But David's Webb could be 1001 00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,160 Speaker 1: the quarter. I would think from from my perspective, there's 1002 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,319 Speaker 1: no reason to play if you want to just go 1003 00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,759 Speaker 1: by what coach Schremer said that there are some guys 1004 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,480 Speaker 1: who may not need the extra preparation. You don't think 1005 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,759 Speaker 1: Eli does. You don't think Beckham does, You don't think 1006 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,839 Speaker 1: Shepherd does. You probably don't think Ingram does. I mean 1007 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,080 Speaker 1: to me, you go with the starting offensive line. You 1008 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: probably want to start Curtis Riley at safety because he 1009 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,359 Speaker 1: could use more work back there. But other than that, 1010 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,399 Speaker 1: how many other starters do you really want to play 1011 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,319 Speaker 1: in this game? Where there you go, there you go, 1012 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,839 Speaker 1: there you go. My my opinion on this is, uh, 1013 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,480 Speaker 1: I can't I can't wait till it's over. I mean, 1014 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,960 Speaker 1: I can't wait till ten o'clock Thursday night. Get this 1015 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,279 Speaker 1: thing over with. Let's let's get our fifty tree and 1016 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,560 Speaker 1: let's go Giants get on the field. As Paul says, 1017 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:38,160 Speaker 1: let's beat the Jaguars. Um the fullback slot. I know 1018 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,120 Speaker 1: coach likes fullback slot. I'm still not convinced we got 1019 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:46,239 Speaker 1: the right fullback. I don't know if he's you think 1020 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,080 Speaker 1: he's really gonna go with with Shane at the fullbacks line, 1021 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,240 Speaker 1: or you think there's somebody else on the waiver wire. 1022 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,920 Speaker 1: I know he likes the fullback spot. I understand that, 1023 00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,880 Speaker 1: but I just can't find mean, do you do you 1024 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,440 Speaker 1: remember any play he made? I mean, you look at 1025 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:08,000 Speaker 1: last on the ground. It's gonna be simple. If there's 1026 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,000 Speaker 1: a fullback who they believe is more qualified on the 1027 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,080 Speaker 1: list come September one, I'm sure that guy will come 1028 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,160 Speaker 1: in here. I don't know that there are many pure 1029 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,759 Speaker 1: fullbacks out there in NFL camps right now because a 1030 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,759 Speaker 1: lot of times have done away with them. So what's 1031 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,160 Speaker 1: the odds that someone's gonna cut somebody who is of use? 1032 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,560 Speaker 1: And I think the other point, did you mentioned, you know, 1033 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,200 Speaker 1: has he done anything? I don't really remember a whole 1034 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,880 Speaker 1: lot of opportunities with them targeting him in the passing 1035 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: game throughout the preseason, Lendon fairness, But I will tell 1036 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,440 Speaker 1: you this, any fullback that is on this team, the 1037 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,920 Speaker 1: priority for them to be able to catch the football 1038 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,359 Speaker 1: and execute is a huge factors in whether or not 1039 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,600 Speaker 1: they make the team because coach Shermer wants that flexibility 1040 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,040 Speaker 1: to be able to throw it to him. So that 1041 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,440 Speaker 1: is a big deal. Now you you guys are watching 1042 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,719 Speaker 1: it more closely than I am. I mean, that's that's 1043 00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:00,640 Speaker 1: a fact. Um. But I mean I can't even to remember, 1044 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,440 Speaker 1: um a block that stands out in my mind. I mean, 1045 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,520 Speaker 1: what is a well you also play specialty changing you know, 1046 00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,520 Speaker 1: a plate changing block. And I guess I'm thinking, you know, 1047 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,000 Speaker 1: maybe we go with with four running backs now fullback. 1048 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,160 Speaker 1: I doubt yeah that that. I think that. I think 1049 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,319 Speaker 1: it's strategy. I think I think there's value and keep 1050 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,880 Speaker 1: you more than likely to want a Henry Hanoski type 1051 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,279 Speaker 1: back there than you are and Hedgecock because even though 1052 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,000 Speaker 1: Hedgecock may have been a bit of a stronger blocker 1053 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,759 Speaker 1: than Hanoski, Hinoski was able to catch the ball out 1054 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,320 Speaker 1: of the backfield. And that's the kind of guy Shermer wants. 1055 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,359 Speaker 1: Can can I can we spend a minute? Yeah? We 1056 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,000 Speaker 1: we we want to try to fit in another caller 1057 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,359 Speaker 1: here Land before we wrap up, so we'll save your 1058 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,200 Speaker 1: next point for your next phone call. To appreciate you 1059 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,960 Speaker 1: weighing in. Let's hit up Jeff in Huntington. Jeff, what's happening? Hey, Hi, guys. 1060 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,720 Speaker 1: Maybe to end the show, I'd like to talk about 1061 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,600 Speaker 1: the guy who really makes UH the Giants work, and 1062 00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:01,239 Speaker 1: that's Eli. Um. I think Ernie a core see from 1063 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,359 Speaker 1: day one for sticking to it and making sure that 1064 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:09,360 Speaker 1: he was the guy back in all four UH. And 1065 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,640 Speaker 1: you know, you know how how hard it is and 1066 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,680 Speaker 1: difficult to do sometimes to read Eli because he's a 1067 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,360 Speaker 1: straight hour. He he won't give you the highs or 1068 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,160 Speaker 1: the lows. But Uh, this this last game, this third 1069 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,440 Speaker 1: game of the of the preseason versus the third game 1070 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,680 Speaker 1: of last preseason, I thought I was reading into Eli 1071 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,560 Speaker 1: in the way that he was stating what he felt 1072 00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:38,440 Speaker 1: about the team's offense last year. He would stop a 1073 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,760 Speaker 1: play right at the beginning if he felt that the 1074 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 1: UH blocking schemes or the routes being run were incorrect. 1075 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,760 Speaker 1: You just throw that ball into the ground, stop that play. 1076 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,279 Speaker 1: And he did that so many times during last preseason, 1077 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,040 Speaker 1: probably during the season two and and and sort of 1078 00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:01,279 Speaker 1: I and I compare that to this last, uh, this 1079 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:06,440 Speaker 1: third game this preseason, where I never I thought he 1080 00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,280 Speaker 1: was a very happy guy in that rolling pocket because 1081 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,600 Speaker 1: I never saw the time that yet he had and 1082 00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:18,160 Speaker 1: being able to launch a pass and having the seconds 1083 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,439 Speaker 1: to do that. This time around, I just thought that 1084 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,760 Speaker 1: he looked really happy in the pocket this time versus 1085 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,960 Speaker 1: last year. I'm wondering what you think about that. The 1086 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,920 Speaker 1: role the rolling pocket is something that Shermer wants to 1087 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,640 Speaker 1: institute this year. He thinks that Manning has enough mobility 1088 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,919 Speaker 1: back there to do it and as a result, Uh, 1089 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,240 Speaker 1: you will see it. And I appreciate the phone call, Jeff. I. 1090 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,840 Speaker 1: I also think in this preseason, I mean there's been opportunities, 1091 00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,400 Speaker 1: specifically in the last game where the past protection was 1092 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,560 Speaker 1: on point, Paul. I mean, he looked very comfortable because 1093 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,480 Speaker 1: he had time to survey the field and you know, 1094 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,040 Speaker 1: hit his receivers down the field as well. So sun 1095 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,120 Speaker 1: blocking has been more suspect than the pass blocking correct. 1096 00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,440 Speaker 1: And that's why I think there's value if you want 1097 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,520 Speaker 1: to put the first team offensive line and out to 1098 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,520 Speaker 1: see what they could do and getting that run game 1099 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,120 Speaker 1: going that makes sense, but I think the past protection 1100 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,320 Speaker 1: overall is much further ahead in working out the kinks 1101 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,720 Speaker 1: than the run blocking, so that will be something to monitor. 1102 00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,320 Speaker 1: In tomorrow's game, we will have another edition, a Big 1103 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,280 Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live presented by Corps Light. You can download 1104 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,600 Speaker 1: the Cores Live Rewards app to win Amazing Giant prizes 1105 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,400 Speaker 1: throughout the season. That will be tomorrow at two pm Eastern. 1106 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,680 Speaker 1: Jeff Eagles and I will continue to set the stage 1107 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,480 Speaker 1: for the final preseason game as the Giants get ready 1108 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,600 Speaker 1: to wrap up the two thousand and eight preseason against 1109 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,800 Speaker 1: the Patriots, and then we can start focusing on Week 1110 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,960 Speaker 1: one of the games that actually count. We appreciate everybody 1111 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,880 Speaker 1: for tuning in much MSG tonight six o'clock Giants Training 1112 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,880 Speaker 1: Camp Live. See then, folks, All right for Paul to 1113 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,600 Speaker 1: Tino on Lance Medal. We'll speak tomorrow. HO have a 1114 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:41,800 Speaker 1: going