1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Damn broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the 2 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Caddy arm. 3 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: Strong and Jettie Gee Armstrong and Jetty Strong. 4 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 3: A friend of mine who's slightly overweight, to put it mildly, 5 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 3: went to a drug store in London and he was 6 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 3: able to get one. 7 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: Of the fat shots. I caught the fat shots, said. 8 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 3: Jan, if you lose weight, he knows exactly who I 9 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 3: was talking about. 10 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 2: He called, He said that was interesting. He said he 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: was very concerned that I might use his name. It 12 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: might slip. Now he doesn't have to work, but he 13 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: called me. He said, Hey, a strange thing happened. 14 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: I just bought the drug, same company, plan, same everything. 15 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: Everything was the same in New York thirteen hundred dollars, 16 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 3: and in London. 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: I'm paying eighty eight dollars. He said, what's going on now? 18 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: He knew not that he's a very smart guy, he's 19 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 3: a very rich guy. His big problem is he's seriously overweight. 20 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: But I don't think the drug worked. Okay, to be 21 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 3: honest with you, but it makes him feel good anyway. 22 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 4: That's like day three of Trump's story about his fat 23 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 4: friend his drugs. 24 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: He so workshops his comedy routine, you know, tries it 25 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: for different audiences. 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 4: I don't want to. I'm gonna get into the foreign 27 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 4: policy speech he gave yesterday. I want to get sidetracked 28 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 4: by this whole drug prescription thing. It is so complicated, though. 29 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 4: I've listened to a number of podcasts where they got 30 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 4: into the details, and it's so easily easy to be 31 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 4: misled by a lot of statistics. So a lot of 32 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 4: the now it sounds like they're his fat friend, very fat, 33 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 4: incredibly fat. His fat friend there was paying thirteen hundred 34 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 4: dollars in New York, can pay eighty dollars in London. 35 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: Want to know why. That's a perfectly reasonable question, like. 36 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 4: Why am I paying so much in the United States 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 4: and so cheap here when we developed in the reasonable question. 38 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 4: But just in general, a lot of the stuff you 39 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 4: hear about drugs, the statistics for costs, it's for the 40 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 4: name brand, which practically none of us are actually getting. 41 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 4: We're getting the generic, so it's the tiniest percentage of that, 42 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 4: so it misleads the statistics. There's all kinds of things 43 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 4: going on in that world that make it hard to 44 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 4: nail down and the. 45 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: Way money flows into and out of various entities, from 46 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: your insurance company to the pharmacies, to the drug companies 47 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: to the pharmacy benefit managers. An unholy group of humans 48 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: if there ever was. When yes, so complicated. 49 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 4: I'm on eight drugs for the whooping coth right now, 50 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 4: which is crazy. But like so, I went to the 51 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 4: doctor on Saturday after spending time there, and I think 52 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 4: I picked up four new drugs, just like everybody else 53 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 4: when they go to pharmacy. I have the slightest idea 54 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 4: what the little screen was gonna say they cost, had 55 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 4: no idea. I wasn't very worried about it because it 56 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 4: probably wasn't gonna be very much. 57 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: So, like one of them was three cents, one. 58 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 4: Of them was a dollar five, one of them was 59 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 4: forty four bucks, and then the other one was like 60 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 4: four and I just pressed okay and tapped my card 61 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 4: and walked out the door. 62 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: And I don't have any imagine if groceriy st are 63 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: like that. Let's see, this ham will be one hundred 64 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: and seventy five dollars, this bread is two cents, this 65 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: cheese will be a dollar one. And you think. 66 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 4: Okay, right, and I don't have Well, it's way more 67 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 4: complicated than even that example, because like somebody may have 68 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 4: that one that cost eight cents, my insurance company might 69 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 4: have paid a five hundred dollars for and I got 70 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 4: spread around everybody else that's insured by that company for 71 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 4: some reason. 72 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: I don't know. 73 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 4: I don't know any idea what it actually cost the 74 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 4: insurance company. And then what are what are my options 75 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 4: anyway to not press? Okay, I will not pay forty 76 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 4: four dollars for whatever that drug is. 77 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: It should be much less than that and incur the 78 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: wrath of the already surly pharmacy employee. 79 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 4: No way, I feel bad for those people. The other day, 80 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 4: I got to the pharmacy. I've been there way too 81 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 4: much lately. I get there and some old guys walk 82 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 4: in my way and he says he said something old time. 83 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 4: He says, like railroading. Me, it's train robbery or something 84 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 4: like that. I said, what's that and he said, it's 85 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 4: train robbery around here, that's what it is. I just 86 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 4: kind of said, tell you, like the poor girl who's 87 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 4: you know, at pharmacy school, has any role in it whatsoever? 88 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: What's she supposed to do. I don't know. 89 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 4: It's your insurance. I work for CBS. They I don't 90 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 4: know what am I what do you want? 91 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: Such a mess? 92 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 4: Okay, different topic than Trump's fat fat friend. Who people 93 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 4: who know Trump and his friends are trying to figure 94 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 4: out which fat friend that he's talking about. So Donald 95 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 4: Trump gave like a forty five minute sp each yesterday 96 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 4: in Saudi Arabia. 97 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: And this was Mark Halprin's ride up of. 98 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 4: It today, in which he said Trump's Tuesday speech, which 99 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 4: shockingly gets almost zero coverage in the American media, was 100 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 4: one for the ages, with some observers not unreasonably calling 101 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 4: it extraordinary and some supporters saying it was one of 102 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 4: the best and most important addresses by a US president 103 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 4: in many, many years. It warn't your time to watch 104 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 4: it and full if you have not to understand Trump's 105 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 4: unusual distinctive worldview. And I'm gonna read a little bit 106 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 4: from you that will portray that worldview. But I also wonder, 107 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 4: since Trump is a very interesting guy. He's primarily interested 108 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 4: in economics and that sort of stuff, although he was 109 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 4: pretty hardcore anti the Iraq war back in the day, Like, 110 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 4: how much of this speech did he sit down with 111 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 4: speech writers and explain to them what he wanted to communicate. 112 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 2: Did Jade Vance write most of this? 113 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 4: And Trump is like, sure, fine, I don't care, or 114 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 4: what I don't I don't actually know, but let me 115 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 4: read some of it. He's talking about the success of 116 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 4: all the people in that room, because he had people 117 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 4: from Saudi Arabia and Qatar and you know, those incredibly 118 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 4: rich areas of the Middle East that we see with 119 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 4: their gleaming buildings and more modern than anything we've got 120 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 4: in the United States. It's crucial for the wider world 121 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 4: to know this great transformation has not come from Western 122 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 4: interventionists or flying people in beautiful plains giving you lectures 123 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 4: on how to live and how to govern your own affairs. 124 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 4: In the end, the so called nation builders racked far 125 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 4: more nations than they built, and the interventionalists were intervening 126 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 4: in societies they did not understand themselves. No, the gleaming 127 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 4: marbles of Riad and Abu Dhabi were not created by 128 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 4: the so called nation builders, neo cons or liberal nonprofits 129 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 4: like those who spent trillions and trillions of dollars failing 130 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 4: to develop Bagdad and so many other cities. 131 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: That's a good point. Now, this is very JD. Vanside. 132 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 4: That's what I thought, solidly reasoned so far decent point. 133 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 4: Though we poured trillion I don't know about trillions, but 134 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 4: lots of money into Baghdad. It's still everything it's ever 135 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 4: been Abu Dhabi and ryodd that was ground up from 136 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 4: the inside. 137 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: Anyway, back to every mind the zillions of dollars spent 138 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: in Afghanistan. 139 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 4: Instead, the birth of a modern Middle East has been 140 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 4: brought by the people of the region themselves, the people 141 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 4: that are right here, the people that have lived here 142 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 4: all their lives, Developing your own sovereign countries, pursuing your 143 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 4: own unique visions and charting your own destinies in your 144 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 4: own way. They told you how to do it, but 145 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 4: they had no idea how to do it themselves. Peace, prosperity, 146 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 4: and progress ultimately came not from a radical rejection of 147 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 4: your heritage, but rather from embracing your national traditions and 148 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 4: embracing the same heritage that you loved so dearly. You 149 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 4: achieved a modern miracle, the Arabian way. No wonder. 150 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: People respect you so much. I thought that was a really. 151 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, agreed, it's really good outreach too. I think it's savvy. 152 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: The most gleaming modern. 153 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 4: Looked like something from the jets and cities in the 154 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 4: world did come from those local societies. Whether you hate 155 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 4: their culture or politics or the way they treat women 156 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 4: or whatever, they were able to build these unbelievable cities. 157 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 4: And we've tried so hard to turn Kabul and Baghdad 158 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 4: and a whole bunch of other different places in the 159 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 4: Middle East into god, you know, anything close to Cincinnati, 160 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 4: and we haven't come within a million miles. 161 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, this it gets a little more complicated, but you know, 162 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 2: the broad outlines of your point I think are true. 163 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: It helps to have unlimited numbers of petro dollars. And 164 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: the whole modern gleaming thing is partly because there wasn't 165 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 2: anything there twenty years ago. So yeah, it's it's modern 166 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,599 Speaker 2: gleaming because what else would it be. Yeah, but I 167 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 2: think a certain amount of it has to do with. 168 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 4: Taking off the restrictions of here's the way we feel 169 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 4: like you need to treat women, gay people, minorities, the disentrenchised, 170 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 4: all this different sort of stuff, all these ties that 171 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 4: come with it. As opposed to Trump saying, hey, it's 172 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 4: your society, it's your customs, it's your heritage. 173 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: You know, you're building it the way you want, and hey, 174 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: look at your city. And honestly, in spite of the 175 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: lack of success with China doing this, I think there's 176 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: probably a fair amount of Hey, let's get these guys 177 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 2: up and involved in world economics and international diplomacy and 178 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: have them intertwined with bunches of other countries and it'll 179 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 2: drag them into the modern era much more effectively than 180 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: browbeating them will. Anyway, Well, there's. 181 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 4: Zero is there any Are there any good examples of 182 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 4: us trying to build from the ground up one of 183 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 4: these uh, turn one of these citters around having it work. 184 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: Certainly not in the Middle East. Yeah, it depends you know, 185 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: how much involvement over what period of time you're t 186 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: talking about. And interestingly enough, there were some pretty good 187 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 2: success stories in Africa, but those have gone completely to 188 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: hell now and you could argue that, well, that's because 189 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: they didn't build up the infrastructure. It's like we're watching 190 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 2: the we're doing a bit of a remodel on our house, 191 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: and it's been super interesting to see how they dig 192 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 2: the hole for the footings and then pour the foundation 193 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: and all the rebar and the cinder blocks and stuff 194 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: like that. And we've made the point many times that 195 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: our system of government, our rights that we enjoy, our 196 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 2: constitution are built on the concrete and rebar and cinder 197 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: blocks of hundreds of years of English common law, Judeo 198 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 2: Christian principles, the rest of it. And then if you 199 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: try to build, at the risk of belaboring the metaphor, 200 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: if you try to build the house of that sort 201 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: of thing on sand, it's not going to work. And 202 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: so Trump is saying, y'all build your foundations the way 203 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: you want and then let's do business. 204 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 4: So you think JD. Vance had a hand in that 205 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 4: whole speech, both hands. It was completely It's a complete 206 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 4: rejection of George Bush's ideas of nation building, and it's 207 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 4: a rejection of democratic presidents with their coming in there 208 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 4: with we'll give you money, but here's the way we 209 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 4: think you should live. It's a complete rejection of that too. 210 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still for the record, I'm super uncomfortable with 211 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: the fact that Cutter, for instance, is trying to buy 212 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: influence in America hundreds of billions of dollars, perverting our colleges, 213 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 2: having them become just viper's nests of Islamism, anti Israel rhetoric, 214 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 2: the rest of it. There are huge supporters of the 215 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 2: Muslim Brotherhood on Islamist organization that would like Sharia law 216 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 2: to conquer the entire earth, and they're not spending hundreds 217 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: of billions of dollars backing that because they don't believe 218 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: it or don't agree with it. But things, we don't 219 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: have to let them do that. 220 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 4: We can let them build their big, gleaming city, we 221 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 4: don't have to let them, you know, influence our colleges. 222 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: Well right now, well right, yeah, for instance, that's not 223 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: going to happen, but more on that later. Uh yeah, 224 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: Well the argument would be, well, we don't want to 225 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: participate in enriching them so they have even more finances 226 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: to back terrorism. But you know, if jdve Aansw were 227 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: to say to me, dude, that'll go away of its own. 228 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 2: That's what I think on a cord. It's not a 229 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 2: stupid argument. I'm not sure I agree with it, but 230 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 2: it's it's worth considering. 231 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 4: They play, they beat, they more than play footsy with 232 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 4: the terrorists, no doubt about it. But I don't think mbs. 233 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 4: His goal in life is not to establish a Muslim caliphate. 234 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: I don't think so. No, he wants to be starving 235 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 2: poor when the oil runs out. 236 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, Jack Armstrong and Joe, The Armstrong and Getty Show, 237 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 5: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty The Armstrong and Getty Show. 238 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 4: You want to know if your marriage is heading to splitsville, 239 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 4: don't check your partner's phone, check their face, like. 240 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: Any of that. 241 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: You know, there's so many. 242 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 4: Stupid things out there, you know, the one sign that 243 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 4: he's gonna cheat or whatever the hell I mean, They're 244 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 4: just all dumb, but click bait. The subtle smirk of 245 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 4: superiority is the number one red flag for divorce, according 246 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 4: to this psychologist. And they get into why. Research found 247 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 4: that four nasty little habits, criticism, contempt, defensiveness, and stonewalling 248 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 4: are the four horsemen of the apocalypse when it comes 249 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 4: to dooming relationships. 250 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: I'll read those four again. 251 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 4: Criticism, contempt, defensiveness, and stonewalling. But contempt is the kiss 252 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 4: of death. That's the one, and you've said that for years. 253 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 4: That's the one you can't get past. 254 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: Done. The largest marriage experiment ever done. 255 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 4: They think of couples that you know, survive and don't 256 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 4: survive body language experts, which we've mocked for years and 257 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 4: all that sort of thing because they're usually stupid. Also 258 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 4: well on cable TV they are. Yeah, brought couples into 259 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 4: a lab. And if one member of the couple shows 260 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 4: a one sided mouth raise, which I had never heard 261 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 4: before as like a physical contempt thing. But I guess 262 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 4: we're just programmed. When we're feeling that feeling of contempt 263 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: for something or you know, the old pleaser get out 264 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 4: of here with that BS or whatever feeling, you raise. 265 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: One side of your mouth. It's funny. 266 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 4: If one member of the couple shows a one sided 267 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 4: mouth raise towards the other, he can tell you if 268 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 4: they're going to get divorced, because it's contempt. He could 269 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 4: predict divorce with an astonishing ninety four percent accurate fear. Now, 270 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 4: this is the part I thought was really interesting. Fear 271 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 4: comes in a burst, and then you calm down. Happiness 272 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 4: comes and then you go back to normal. Anger comes 273 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 4: and then you calm down, but not contempt. If you 274 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 4: feel scorn or disdain for someone else, and if it's 275 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 4: not addressed, it just festers and grows and stays at 276 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 4: the same level fear, anger, and then obviously happiness you 277 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 4: get back to a normal level. 278 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: Contempt does not go away, you know. In a definition 279 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: of contempt, the feeling that a person or a thing 280 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: is beneath consideration, worthless or deserving scorn. Yes, coming back 281 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: from that. 282 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 4: I've not felt contempt, but I have been on the 283 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 4: wrong end of contempt, I think. And having read this, 284 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 4: I thought, yeah, that's what was insurmountable. I mean, because 285 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 4: once you have contempt for someone you don't agree, you 286 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 4: don't think they are worth listening to on anything. 287 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: Right, this is how I feel. This is my priority care. Right. 288 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a tough one to get past. So look 289 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 4: out for contempt and whatever started to bring it on. 290 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 4: The point is you start to deal with it right away. 291 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 2: Otherwise it does. 292 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 4: Just grow and faster, and then it gets into a 293 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 4: situation where it might might not be reversible. They also 294 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 4: believe that many couples get stuck in an endless loop 295 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 4: of the same three arguments throughout the relationship. They just 296 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 4: don't realize it. And if you can nail down what 297 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 4: your three most common arguments are you and your partner, 298 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 4: you can solve a lot of problems. Like you get 299 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 4: into something, you say, okay, here we're in argument number 300 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 4: two again. We always argue about this, and you can 301 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 4: you know, realize that you know, you don't see eye 302 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 4: to eye in this particular thing, and how you've dealt 303 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 4: with it in the past, which. 304 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: Is a pretty good key. Yeah, Actually, distracted by the 305 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 2: details or the trivia, you realize, oh, this is argument. 306 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 4: B Yeah, yeah, and that interesting. Back to the contempt 307 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,239 Speaker 4: thing discussed. And contempt are to a relationship with gasoline, 308 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 4: and matches are to a fire. The telltale signs are irolling, mouthcrimping, 309 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 4: and then subtle fidgeting like picking it close or cleaning 310 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 4: fingers mid conversation as signals of disdain. This person said 311 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 4: that they dubbed this move the lint picker, a behavior 312 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 4: that he says, screams contempt. 313 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 2: Louder than words ever could. Interesting. You know, it's probably 314 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 2: worth presenting the other side of the coin at some point. 315 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: We don't have time now, But how do you prevent 316 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: that sort of thing? Niff it in the bud, having 317 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: lint on your shirt, no contempt in your. 318 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 5: No arm Strong and Getty, The Armstrong and Getty Show. 319 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 6: Why is spok at a bipartisan event to encourage Democrats 320 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 6: or Republicans to work to protect social security together, which 321 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 6: seems about as likely to happen as a reboot of 322 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 6: Fiddler on the Roof starring Kanye West. But social security 323 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 6: is number one for Joe Biden. Literally, his social Security 324 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 6: number is one. 325 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 4: That's kind of interesting as a lead into this. Republicans 326 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 4: neverkats not being able to work together, it would seem 327 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 4: that they could work together on cutting spending based on 328 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 4: this polling that just came out from the Cato Institute. 329 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 4: CATO is a serious think tank. It's a conservative think tank. 330 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 4: They worked with you GOV on this survey, and it's 331 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 4: one of your really big, large number of people, wide reaching, 332 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 4: lots of questions sort of survey that comes out every 333 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 4: once in a while from these think tanks. I don't 334 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 4: know which of these numbers is my favorite. There's a 335 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 4: lot of them that are just mind blowingly make me happy, 336 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 4: But I can't believe because public will is a real 337 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 4: big part of getting anything done in a democracy. 338 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: Obviously, if you got big. 339 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 4: Majorities of people that want something to happen, you should 340 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,479 Speaker 4: be able to get it to happen and run on it. 341 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 4: Here's my favorite of all the spending we've done in 342 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 4: the last ten years, and we've done a lot of 343 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 4: spending in the last ten years. 344 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: Five percent. Now that's a big number. 345 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 4: Whenever you get eighty five percent of people in agreement 346 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 4: on something. 347 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: You'd think you could get political will to do something. 348 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 4: Eighty five percent say that spending is either not helped 349 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 4: them or made their lives worse. 350 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 2: Eighty five percent. That's astounding. 351 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 4: You wouldn't get that from taking it in through the 352 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 4: mainstream media, who feels like all government programs are wonderful 353 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 4: and doges trying to cut back on any of them 354 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 4: as a horror. Eighty five percent of Americans say all 355 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 4: that spending has either not done anything for me or 356 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 4: actually made my life worth the worse. Forty two percent 357 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 4: no impact. Forty three percent say it reduced to their 358 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 4: quality of life. 359 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 2: Wow, that's got to be inflation, which is the greatest 360 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 2: teacher of economic principles in the history of mankind. 361 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 4: Well, ors, it's just I regularly say, and this is 362 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 4: true for me in my own personal life. I believe 363 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 4: the government stops me from doing things more than it 364 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 4: helps me. 365 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, I think so. 366 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 4: I mean, and well, do you drive on the roads. Yeah, 367 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 4: we we know you're an idiot. Course else I'm not 368 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 4: even gonna explain why you're moro. 369 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: I know, moron. 370 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 4: And by the way, this is a non partisan observation. 371 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 4: Eight and ten Democrats and nine and ten Republicans believe 372 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 4: that the increase in federal spending has either made their 373 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 4: lives not better or worse. 374 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 2: Boy, this is really heartening. I know, if the Republican 375 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: if the Republicans can keep between the ditches and not 376 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: roll the car of their messaging over, it seems to 377 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 2: me like the ground is super fertile for some good 378 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: solid conservatism in the years to come. 379 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 4: Three quarters of Americans say the government spends too much. 380 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 4: Love that, seventy six percent the government spends too much. 381 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 4: And again, it's not a partisan thing at all. Majorities 382 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 4: of Democrats fifty nine percent of Democrats think the government 383 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 4: spends too much money. Well, you'd never get that from 384 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 4: the main from your mainstream media coverage. 385 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the question of what do you cut and 386 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: how and how much? That's the devil is in the details. 387 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 2: But we do have an enormous generalized agreement that Yeah, 388 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: we need to cut again two thirds. 389 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 4: You get the opposite message from all of the coverage 390 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 4: of doges, for instance. So almost everyone agrees there is 391 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 4: waste frauden abuse in the federal government. The number is 392 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 4: ninety eight percent. I don't know if I've ever seen 393 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,719 Speaker 4: a poll that reached ninety eight percent. Usually you have 394 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 4: more than two percent. They're like, no opinion, I don't know, 395 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 4: refuse to answer. Yeah, but would you like me to 396 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 4: stab you right now? You might get ninety eight percent 397 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 4: saying no, no opinion? 398 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: Ninety I'm not sure stab me as what. 399 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 4: Ninety eight percent broadly agree there is waste frauder abuse 400 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 4: in the federal government. Of course, just to say no, 401 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 4: you'd be a crazy person. About half say there is 402 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 4: a great deal. Oh yeah, percent a moderate amount. 403 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 2: If hundreds of millions of dollars isn't a great deal 404 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: to you, what are you elon musk or something? 405 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 4: Man? Yeah, Like I said, there's so many good numbers here, 406 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 4: I don't even know which ones to pick out the 407 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 4: most this one. One of the reasons this got attention 408 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 4: was some of the tax stuff yesterday. Fifty five percent 409 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 4: of Americans think their taxes are too high, which I 410 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 4: thought was really interesting, especially especially given what we were 411 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 4: talking about yesterday on Tax Day, that the top forty 412 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 4: percent or so of income levels pay all of the 413 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 4: income tax, but fifty five percent of American seat or 414 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 4: taxes are too high. Fifty five percent same number believe 415 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 4: they pay more than their fair share in taxes. That 416 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 4: obviously is interesting given the fact that half the country 417 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 4: does not pay federal taxes federal income tax. 418 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 2: Although you do have to remember, you know, a property 419 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: tax hammers a lot of people, sales tax, sales tax. 420 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: I think it's probably what gets a lot of people. Sure. 421 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 4: How about the controversial Trump tax cuts from twenty seventeen 422 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 4: and whether they should be extended or not. According to this, 423 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 4: eighty five percent of Americans support extending the twenty seventeen 424 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 4: tax cuts. 425 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: Eighty five percent. It's a gift of million as and 426 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: billion as. How is this a controversial issue? If the 427 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: mainstream media was not what they are, could Democrats win 428 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 2: a single election as they're currently constituted. I don't think so. 429 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 2: They need some of the best wordsmiths. Well, actually most 430 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 2: journalists are wordsmiths at all. They're parrots. But they need 431 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: the power of the media colossus to polish their their 432 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: poop if you will. I'm sorry, I just didn't want 433 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 2: to use that common expression polishing a turd because it's disgusting. 434 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 2: But that's essentially But it's good though. 435 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 4: It's illustrative, Jack, I mean, it really makes the point 436 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 4: there's got to be a better doing. 437 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 2: It's got to be a better one, is there? It 438 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 2: got to be that doesn't include the T word. Thoroughly 439 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 2: lipsticking the pig of their policies. I don't know. 440 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 4: So three quarters of people agree with the statement the 441 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 4: twenty seventeen tax cuts should be made permanent because businesses 442 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 4: and families need stability of the tax code to plan 443 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 4: for the future. Three quarters agree with that. Also, three 444 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 4: quarters agree that tax cuts should be made permanent because 445 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 4: taxes are too high. Three quarters of Americans think the 446 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 4: Trump tax cuts should be made permanent because taxes are 447 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 4: too high. 448 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: Wow, did you hear the pot about the millionaires? 449 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 5: Oh? 450 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 4: You did? 451 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,719 Speaker 2: Oh you're rejecting it. I gotta get to that. 452 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 4: Then, since you brought that up, do the spending because 453 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 4: you'll that fits in perfect what you just said. A 454 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 4: majority of Americans admire the rich sixty five two thirds 455 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 4: disagree with the statement wealth should be taken from the 456 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 4: rich and given to the poor. 457 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: Two thirds of Americans disagree with that. 458 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 4: Wow, this is a different country than the media would 459 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 4: have you believe. 460 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 2: I'd zastly different. 461 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 4: Three out of five Americans strongly agree ninety percent strongly 462 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 4: or somewhat agree that quote there is nothing wrong with 463 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 4: trying to make as much money as you can. Ninety 464 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 4: percent strongly or somewhat agree with that. 465 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 466 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 4: When asked specifically about billionaires, seventy one percent disagree that 467 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 4: it's immoral for society to allow people to become billionaires. 468 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 4: Seventy one percent don't agree with that statement. You hear 469 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 4: it all the time from the AOC Bernie crowd, Elizabeth 470 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 4: Warren crowd, and they put it on the news like 471 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 4: that's you know, representing half of America. 472 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: Right right. Yeah. And anybody who does think we should 473 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 2: make it impossible to you know, become a billionaire, you 474 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: just you're so dumb. You are so dumb. We just 475 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 2: need you to get out of the way, please. As 476 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: if you come up with a great idea that one 477 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 2: person likes and it makes you a dollar, that's fine. 478 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 2: If a million people like that, idea and give you 479 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 2: a dollar, that's fine. But if a billion people like 480 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: that idea and give you a dollar, that's wrong. Moral 481 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 2: to borrow. 482 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 4: Again, you're just so dumb you need to get out 483 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 4: of the way. Well, not near as many people agree 484 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 4: with that as I thought. And I've been misled myself. 485 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 4: And you know, we're in the industry and taking lots 486 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 4: of media and read lots of polls, but I've been 487 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 4: misled to think there that in modern America there were 488 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 4: way more people that hate the rich and think something's 489 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 4: wrong there that it seems to be true. Two thirds 490 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 4: think wealth should not be taken from the rich and 491 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 4: given to the poor. 492 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I just didn't know. So I think part 493 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 2: of the reason that our perception might be a little 494 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: warped is that even some of my favorite conservative journalists 495 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 2: are of the coastal elites variety, and they're nice fellas 496 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 2: and they have great principles, but I don't think they 497 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 2: know America and listen to say, absolutely do not. This 498 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: is going to sound awfully like a self backpadding, but 499 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,479 Speaker 2: I think as a couple of guys from you know, 500 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 2: fairly average families in the Midwest, I don't feel like 501 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: an elite anything. I've never hung out with those people. 502 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,479 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be comfortable there. I would much rather, you know, 503 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 2: a drink beer with my neighbor, Larry the truck driver. 504 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 2: I just and I think maybe we have that advantage 505 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: and we, all of us friends, have to trust our 506 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: own perceptions instead of that of the bizarro funhouse mirror 507 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: of the media. I know a lot of you already 508 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 2: believe that the. 509 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 4: Fact that eighty five percent of people say all that 510 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 4: government spending has done nothing for them or made their 511 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 4: lives worse is amazing something. 512 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know over half of people say my 513 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 2: taxes are too high. 514 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 4: All that fitting together, how do we not get a 515 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 4: government that spends less and keeps taxes low? 516 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, part of the answer would 517 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: be the swamp, which includes many Republicans and Democrats who 518 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: have a absolutely enormous financial interest in keeping government huge. 519 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 4: Right, there are solid majorities, and I could do more 520 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 4: of the numbers, but I don't want to bore you 521 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 4: to death. But the solid majorities of people that thinks 522 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 4: it's the spending, it's not the taxing. I mean that 523 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 4: that is that is a settled issue in this country. 524 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 4: It's the spending, not the taxing, and we need to 525 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 4: deal with it from a spending standpoint. So we're not 526 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 4: getting the government we deserve on this front. Yeah, yeah, 527 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 4: so true. It's encouraging people believe that in the numbers 528 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 4: that they do. It is discouraging that we are fighting 529 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 4: to make. 530 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 2: Any progress in reigning in the insanity. 531 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 4: But uh right, yeah, because it's our duty, is citizens, 532 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 4: So I guess we keep trying. Sometimes it's barely uh, 533 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 4: you're barely able to believe that democracy works. I mean, 534 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,239 Speaker 4: you know, look at the border issue. That's what I've 535 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 4: been saying for years. It's not controversy at all either. 536 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 4: Like nine people want to secure border, but we haven't 537 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 4: been able to do it in my entire adult. 538 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 2: Lifetime, right right. Very frustrating. 539 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it is nice job of those of you 540 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 4: out there who agree that all this spending has made 541 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 4: your life worse of anything. 542 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 2: That's amazing. 543 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 4: Armstrong and. 544 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: See Armstrong and Getty show. Absolutely need a moonshot style 545 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: effort to reform education in this country because it is 546 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 2: absolutely killing us. Michael. It's a campus madness update. Good 547 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: and bad news editions, Good and bad. 548 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 4: News can screaming, how's madness, you idiot? 549 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's quite scream Yeah, no kidding. 550 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 4: So a disembovement figures into the story somehow, so well 551 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 4: metaphorically speaking. So we'll start with some good news, really 552 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 4: interesting piece about Tufts University, which is to the left 553 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 4: of Trotsky, Boston area. But there's a professor by the 554 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 4: name of Hirsch there who teaches a class on American 555 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 4: Conservatism that is always one hundred percent enrolled and extremely popular, 556 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 4: and he a man of the sane center left, has 557 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 4: them read Frederick Hayek's Road to Serve them at Ininran's 558 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 4: The Nature of Government, and then has lefty writers assigned 559 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 4: as well. 560 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: That says, all right, let's talk about this issue. 561 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 4: And it is a classic American education where you have 562 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 4: to understand both sides before you say which. 563 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: One you're on. And he is systematically steel manning conservative 564 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 2: arguments for the college kids. And the really encouraging part 565 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 2: about this is the kids love it. That's interesting. And 566 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 2: poll after pol has shown that a lot of college 567 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 2: kids resent the cancel culture and the bully culture and 568 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 2: the radical culture, but they just they're afraid or you know, 569 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 2: intimidated into silence, and there's a lot more curiosity out 570 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: there than I think you would think from looking at 571 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: college camp. God, are we. 572 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 4: Actually coming out of peak that? And we'll never have 573 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 4: to deal with it again, at least in our lifetimes. 574 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 4: I mean, did we just live through the pendulum swinging 575 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 4: to the far end of that nuttiness? 576 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 2: I share hope. So I don't know. I don't know. 577 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 2: I'm a little afraid of it. Being like a sports 578 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: team that you know, has a very bad beginning of 579 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 2: the season, then they win six in a row and 580 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 2: you think, all right, and then that is just a 581 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 2: blip and they go back to being bad. I think 582 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 2: there's so much of a fight to go on, but 583 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 2: let me plunge on here. We can talk about this 584 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 2: at length. 585 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 4: A great piece in the Free Press about how all 586 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 4: over the country, including in some surprising places, educators are 587 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 4: covering up for their own failures wholesale. 588 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 2: We should have the best education system in the world, 589 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 2: they write, we should have an education system that reflects 590 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: us being a superpower. But there's no one with a 591 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 2: straight face who can say that the United States has 592 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 2: a world class education system. And that's from a higher 593 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 2: up in the New Jersey Department of Education now retired, 594 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 2: but they go through place after place where because they 595 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: are failing to meet any standard, they are systematically changing 596 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 2: the standards, including this shock to me. In twenty twenty four, 597 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 2: Oklahoma schools seemed to perform a miracle. They went from 598 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 2: twenty four percent proficiency in reading to forty seven percent 599 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 2: in two years. You see number doubling the previous figure. 600 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 2: You see that number in a year. You know something 601 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 2: funky happen? Yeah? Yeah, Indeed, if it sounds too good 602 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 2: to be true, that's because it was. In Last year, 603 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: Oklahoma lowered its cut scores, the score a student needs 604 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 2: to hit on a test to be considered proficient. Unbelievable, 605 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 2: God's good hearts law. Oh yeah. 606 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 4: Once, once a measure becomes a goal, it ceases to 607 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 4: be a good measure. 608 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 2: Yep. Trend is also happening in New York State. After 609 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 2: not a single eighth grader in the upstate city of 610 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 2: Schenectady tested proficient in math in twenty twenty two, state 611 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 2: officials lowered the scores. The following year, Wisconsin lowered cut 612 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 2: scores last year, Illinois is about to lower its scores. 613 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 2: Et cetera, et cetera. 614 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 5: We did it. 615 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 2: It's a lot of blue states, but Oklahoma shocked me. 616 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 2: And we've done it in California a couple of times. 617 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 4: Well, it speaks as much to the nature of bureaucracy 618 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 4: as liberalism. Well, it's a good hearts law. I mean 619 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 4: that seems to be a law no matter what you 620 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 4: no matter your politics, you come up with a goal 621 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 4: or you measure something. Then you come up with a goal, 622 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 4: and then you just fudge to meet the goal, and 623 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 4: so the measure doesn't work anymore. 624 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 2: And that's it happens, over and over again. 625 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 4: I can come up with one hundred examples off the 626 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 4: top of my head, because I think it's a fascinating 627 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 4: aspect of the way the human brain works. But how 628 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,479 Speaker 4: are there not People raise their hands, say, we can't 629 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 4: be lowering the standards. 630 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 2: We need to raise the quality shield tradition. Yeah, right right, 631 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 2: lift up the children, don't drop the standards. That'd be 632 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 2: a good slogan. Veering back to good news, The Department 633 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 2: of Education on Friday, Cancer which still exists, apparently canceled 634 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 2: fifteen million dollars in federal grants that were used to 635 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 2: fund diversity programs at three universities in California, State, La, 636 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 2: Virginia Commonwealth, and University of Saint Thomas and Minnesota all 637 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 2: had received giant, multimillion dollar grants, part of a billion 638 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 2: dollars a billion that the Biden Education Department spent on 639 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 2: diversity programs in America's schools, nearly half of which went 640 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,919 Speaker 2: to grants for race based hiring. That is, at least 641 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 2: temporarily on the way out. Now back to bad news. 642 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 2: Two stories here that are adjoined at the hip Brown 643 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 2: University Medical School that's one of your elite IVY leaguers. 644 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 2: By the way, elite. I almost vomit when I say 645 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 2: that about these universities. But they now give diversity, equity 646 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 2: and inclusion more weight than excellent clinical skills in its 647 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 2: promotion criteria for faculty, raising questions duh about the equality 648 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 2: of teaching in patient care at the elite medical school 649 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 2: and underscoring how deeply deis penetrated medical education. Again, when 650 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 2: they decide what faculty to promote, they now give DEI 651 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 2: more weight than excellent clinical skills. I saw that over 652 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 2: the week in medicine. I meant to mention on the 653 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 2: air that is absolutely amazing. 654 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 4: I was looking at the actual paperwork, the criteria, and 655 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 4: really your plan for how you're answering the question of 656 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 4: how you're going to get diversity, equity and inclusion into 657 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 4: your your medical practice is more important than your actual skills, 658 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 4: right that is? How or as important is that even possible? 659 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty Show or Jack your Joe podcasts 660 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: and our hotlinks at dot com