WEBVTT - Obi-Wan Kenobi Finale + Ms. Marvel Ep 3 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.120 Warning. This podcast contains spoilers for episode six of Obi 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:07.680 Wan Kenobi, the event finale of Obi Wan Kenobi, plus 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:11.799 spoilers for episode three of Miss Marvel. Be warned. If 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:13.800 you haven't watched those things, watch them and then come 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:32.640 back to us. Hello, my name is Jason Concepciona. Welcome 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.600 next for Vision the Crooked podcast, where we dive deep 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.519 into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture. In 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:44.120 today's episode on Previously on we will give a heartfelt 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.760 tribute to the great Tim Sale who passed recently. We 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:51.240 will discuss some Kevin Figee comments, talk about Wonderman, talk 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:55.240 about John Snow coming back in the airlock. It's time 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.920 to dive into Miss Marvel episode three and Obi Wan 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:03.800 Kenobi episode six aka the finale aka Big Dual episode. 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:05.920 And if you want to jump around, of course, check 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:07.880 out the time stamps in the show notes. I'll give 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:09.560 you all the details about the things we're talking about 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:11.600 and who's we Who are the people that we're going 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.080 to be talking about this stuff. I'll tell you who. 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.800 It's my great co host, the greatest to ever do it, 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:22.360 one of the most knowledgeable and wise comics people out there. 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.640 It is the great Rosie Night, Rosie, how are you 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:25.960 a Hello? 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:29.360 I'm happy to be. I'm happy to be. I'm in 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.160 I'm in Toronto. I was traveling all day, so I 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.480 literally just made it in. So I'm just appreciative of 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:37.640 all you guys for making time for that. And we're 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:39.280 going to be to be living. 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.920 It up talking about all this in the Commonwealth. Does 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:43.920 it feel like home? You're in the Commonwealth? 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:46.360 Now, you know what it does? Because I was like, 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.480 I need to get some food to eat after we record, 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.560 and the first place I found was like a berryan 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:52.880 the house, so it actually really does feel like I'm 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.640 in London. The guy really hooked me up too, so yeah, 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:57.320 actually it kind of does it. I like to Wrother. 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:58.960 I've been here for a lot of course set visits, 0:01:59.000 --> 0:01:59.960 so it's nice to be back. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:05.840 All right, Let's jump in first with news and a 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:10.880 sad story. Tim Sayle, who was admitted to the hospital 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:15.320 for issues regarding his kidneys, has passed away. Passed away 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:20.240 on June sixteenth, and in heartfelt Instagram post, Jim Lee wrote, 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.280 quote Tim sale was an amazing artist, draftsman, and storyteller. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:27.400 Beyond the taut churiscuro style, which became his trademark. Tim 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:31.160 clearly put a premium on storytelling, clarity and pacing cherishing emotion. 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.760 Above all, his stories were beautifully visceral, nuanced, and events 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.800 deep humanity. Tim simply had no use for surface banality, 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:45.040 and it is a huge loss. Tim is probably most 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:52.040 remembered for his relationship with Batman and numerous legendary stories, 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:56.000 most notably probably The Long Halloween, but also some great 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:58.200 stuff with Marvel two Dared l Yellow is a favorite, 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:02.040 Hulk Gray is very good. Jeff Lobin there, but you know, 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.680 what are you gonna do? And it's it's really sad. 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.799 Tim Sale, I think had a style that I think 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:15.120 you could accurately describe as timeless. It looks like it 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:20.160 could have come from almost any era of comics or 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:21.560 illustration history. 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.239 Absolutely, and I think that you know, this is such 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.360 a loss, and Jim did such a beautiful kind of 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:31.240 memorial of him, and I just I think if you 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.160 look at especially like you mentioned The Long Halloween, this 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:37.560 is a book from the nineties that is still one 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.520 of the most influential Batman stories of all time. Every 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.280 time a new Batman project comes out, they're looking back 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:46.520 to the long Halloween that is Detective Batman. It's as 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.160 seminar to a lot of people as year one, and 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:53.320 that is absolutely because of Tim's art. It is just 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:57.280 the most it's really it's kind of wild to think 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.680 that this year, you know, alongside George pres and other 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.720 DC icon we lost two of the most iconic Batman 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.560 artists with Tim Say and Neil Adams. You know that 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.480 that it's it's a it's it's a really it's a 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.000 tough year if you love comics, but it's a great time, 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.760 as we always say, to go back and discover the 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.600 amazing work that these creators did. 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:21.919 Yeah, Tim had a When I discovered his art, he 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:23.960 had it. He is a style that makes you want 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:27.600 to try drawing because it looks you know what I mean, 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:32.360 because it because it looks so simple and doable. It's 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:36.680 very elegant. Uh. It's to Jim's point, there is not 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:40.440 an extra line or an extra bit of shading anything 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.400 like that. It is it is a very clean, almost 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.960 the the kind of illustration weight of something that you 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.560 might find like in a newspaper comic strip that that 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:51.560 it's cartooning. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:53.920 It's brilliant cartoons. 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:57.320 Brilliant cartooning, but at the highest level. Yeah, and that's 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:58.800 the That's the thing I think about when I think 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.360 about Tim Saley made He made me want to try 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.680 drawing something because it just looked. You look at his 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:06.800 stuff and you think, oh, I think I could do that, 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.920 and then you realize that you can't, but it made 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:10.960 you feel like you could. 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:14.839 The myth of simplicity, that that timelessness you were talking about. 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:18.080 He makes it look easy. Everything looks effortless, it looks 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:22.520 simple and slick, and when it's detailed, it looks organic, 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.279 and you think, oh, maybe I could do that, and 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.720 then you're like, no, I couldn't like him sales doing it. 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:31.920 Yeah. Rest in peace to Tim and best our best 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.839 wishes to his family and loved ones. Yeah. Kevin Feige 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:39.679 has some comments about what's coming next for the MCU. 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.240 He's quoted in Games of Radar as saying, quote, I 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:45.600 think there have been many clues already there that are 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.000 at least apparent to me of where this whole saga 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.680 is going. At least apparent. Yeah, Kevin, it. 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:52.320 Should be sure. 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:58.640 You're a little amaze, You're blessed, he continues, but will 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:00.400 be a little more direct about that in the coming 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:02.520 months to set a plan so audiences who want to 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.400 see the bigger picture can see a tiny, tiny, tiny 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.800 bit more of this roadmap. And this is I think 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.839 essentially what we've been saying, you know, going back to 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.000 Eternals and certainly up through the doctor change of the 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:22.080 Multiverse of Madness. And in the context of Figy his 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.839 recent comments about a brainstorming session that was coming up, 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.240 a creative brainstorming session, that at least this slate of 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:37.040 movies and MCU shows is something of a holding pattern 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.479 while they figure out that yes they have Kang, but 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.919 how that all ties together. There's a lot of moving 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.520 pieces to that, and of course, you know, huge movie 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.160 crews and staffs and writers and actors and stuff, and 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.040 all that stuff has been coordinated. So I think that's 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:54.640 coming together now. And it seems like just an acknowledgment that, 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.440 you know, to just state quite humbly that we were 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.080 right once again, wrote I. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.159 Think we are right. You know, I think that there's 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:07.599 I think that we have been very eager about deciphering 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:09.960 the seeds that have been sown. And I would say 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.840 that to people like me and you, I would agree. 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.760 I don't think Evan's overreaching, even though he knows what's 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.040 going on. Yeah, I think there have been seeds that 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.600 have been sewed. Whether it's Kang because then we know 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.840 that leads to the Fantastic Four. You know, whether it 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.040 was seeing that place that absolutely you know, look like 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.239 Latveria in Moonlight, which leads to Doom. You know, whether 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.800 it's something we'll talk about later with Miss Marvel, but 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:37.040 the introduction of all of these secret cultures, yes, you know, 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:41.360 these these secret worlds that all have different fighting styles 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.120 and magic and techniques. We've seen it in shang Qi. 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.600 You know, we've already got those established in Wakanda. We're 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:51.200 likely going to see a version of Atlantis maybe in 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.840 Black Panther two, which we've always said feels like it's 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.720 leading to a battle or world or secret wars. So 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.520 I think that the I think the hints are there. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:01.960 But I think this is really interesting because I want 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.800 to know. I want to know what the bigger picture 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:06.960 is going to be, Like, who do you think that 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:10.800 they're going to announce? I think the implication is like 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.160 they're going to announce their next big villain, which we 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.480 kind of thought was Kang, but we have also been like, 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.400 maybe he would be more of an ally and an 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.560 anti hero. So who do you think it could be? 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:22.920 If they're going to kind of drop a big, a 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.680 big reveal about who the next Thanos style villain could be. 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:31.960 Well if if if the initial Marvel phases one to 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:36.440 three or any kind of guide, then each step along 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:40.720 the way right had their villain. So LOOKI was there 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.040 to kind of get us to Thanos, right, Yeah, I think. 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:45.080 It's funny to think about. 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:49.960 Similarly, Kang will be here to get us to whoever 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.240 comes next. Now, if we've got all these multiverses now 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:57.120 and different dimensions popping up in every Marvel property, I 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:58.800 think at a certain point they're going to want to 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:02.320 shut that down, yes, and just say we've introduced all 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.319 the things we needed to introduce. Let's cut it off 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.000 and simplify things. And you know, we've talked a lot 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:12.400 about secret wars or incursions, this idea of multiverses collapsing 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.280 into themselves. We've already had a mention of that in 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.439 Doctor Strange with the Multiverse of Madness in the comics. 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.400 After the incursions and after all these multiverses kind of 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:26.319 squashing together. There is a new reality that is created 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.480 by the will of Doctor Doom with the help of 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:34.720 Doctor Strange. That is a battle world, and that is 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:40.400 the twenty fifteen Secret Wars event in which you know, 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:44.760 all the Marvel heroes live in this you know, world 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.360 that has like all these different regions and kingdoms, some 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:54.560 with zombies, some with all these thors in it, and slowly, 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.040 bit by bit they begin to remember where they came 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.280 from and they fight each other and then Doom to 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:01.800 return the world to the way it was. And there's also, 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:06.800 of course, the original nineteen eighty four Secret Wars event, 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:10.320 one of the great and most iconic money grabs in 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:11.679 comics history. 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.200 And the most toyatic, the most poietic. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:22.240 Shooter, you evil genius, you scamp, you scip, you sip 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.720 you everyone hat I have to give a Jim Shooter this. 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.880 Everybody was like, this sucks, it's a money grab. Everyone 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.120 he worked with was like, this is gard. They burned 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:34.120 Jim Shooter in effigy at Marvel and he was right. 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:38.120 This Secret Wars was a huge event, introduced us to 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:43.720 a bunch of different paradigm shifting things. Spider Man's Black 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.280 Suit came out of it, and the bad guy of 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.200 that was the Beyonder. So I do wonder if we 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:55.440 get a Beyonder like incredibly powerful, godlike reality shifting figure 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.920 who forces all our heroes into some kind of battle 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:00.320 world to fight that. 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.920 The way we're going, it looks like they're probably taking 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:06.840 from both the series, Like you mentioned the eighty four 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.280 and the twenty fifteen the Black Suit. We know that 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.800 the Symbia now exists in the MCU. Titana, who were 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.520 going to see in she hop she came from Secret Wars, 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.680 you know, and then we got the twenty fifteen one. 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.640 You know, perhaps we're not going to see a you know, 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.400 a Doom who studied with Red as the first introduction. 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.800 Perhaps we're going to see God Emperor Doom. Yeah, and 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:27.600 kind of speaking to what you were saying about the 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.040 notion of the MCU basically introducing a bunch of stuff 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:32.800 from them wanting to streamline it, which is what we 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:34.360 kind of always thought. It was a way for them 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.320 to introduce new characters and kind of build out the 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.600 world without going too wild. That is what Secret Wars did. 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.120 Secret Wars was them attempting to streamline everything to the 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.040 not officially called this at the time six one six, 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.319 which absolutely was six or six, mostly Mars Morales wanting 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.679 to bring that character from the Ultimate Universe into the 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.400 main Marvel Comics universe. So I think we're going to 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.480 see something like that, and I'm really excited because, like, 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.440 I love the note that we could just see like 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.280 a Beyond the reveal or a Glactus reveal or something 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.360 like that, or we could all just get pranked again. 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.559 Like when they had this, I remember, like I think 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.440 it was I don't think it was San Diego because 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.439 I wasn't there, but there was a convention and they 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.920 had these four figures underneath a big sheet and they 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.360 were like, this is like the most important reveal in 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.040 Marvel history. And it was a big guy, a skinny guy, 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.320 and we were like, oh my god, it's a fantastic four, 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.800 like this is it? And it was the Children of Thanos. 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:33.040 I've never forgiven Kevin for that, So I'm like, I 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.760 want to know. I'm like, is this a real concrete 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:37.640 is Kevin saying? Nobody's guessed it? 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:37.920 Right? 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.439 Like I want to know what we're going to see next, 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.520 because it would be really nice to be surprised. But 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:43.840 I think we're on the right track. 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.720 Yeah, I think we're on the right track too. Up next, 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.360 a wonder Man series is in development for the MCU. 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.160 This from the Hollywood reporter Shank Chi and Legend of 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:56.920 the Ten Rings filmmaker Destined. Daniel Kreton has teamed up 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:00.679 with Andrew guest writer producer on comedy is Brooklyn nine 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:05.280 nine and Community Community Family, Very very Strong in the 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.559 MCU as we well know yes to tackle a live 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.760 action MCU series featuring the long time Marvel character wonder 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:19.240 Man aka mister Hollywood himself, Simon william We've been waiting 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:24.160 a while and talking for a while about Simon about 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:26.600 the appearance of Wonderman. He's got to come through at 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.920 some point. I see a little romance perhaps with Wanda Brewing. 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.679 We'll see you like it could happen. 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:37.120 She's alive, by the way, Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's. 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.760 Just in the Eldritche orchard like about her sins, how 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:42.800 she's going to make up for them or something, you know, 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:43.800 inker color. 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:48.240 But this is very exciting because Wonderman has always been 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.160 a favorite of mine and I think, you know, back 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.559 when I was first back when I was always pouring 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.800 over the Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe. I was 0:13:57.840 --> 0:13:59.959 always like, Okay, who's the strong who are the strongest guy? 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.439 And Simon Williams, I think is one of the most 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:07.920 underrated one hundred class strong Oh yeah, meaning meaning has 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:13.880 the highest measurable stats for strength in the in the 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.000 Marvel Universe, in that top tier of strength, along with 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:22.480 the Hulk, you know, not enraged Hulk and Thor and others. 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.960 And but has that really fun kind of like slightly 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.200 self loathing, Like I was a Hollywood star and fallen 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.280 on down on kind of a downturn in my career 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.440 and now I'm in a relationship with the Scarlet Witch. 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.200 But it's very complicated. Also, I'm very, very strong, and 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.480 I'm still trying to get my acting career off the ground. 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.040 But I guess I'll give this Avengers thing ago for 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.200 a while. He's just a fun just a fun character 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:50.000 to have around. Tell us about tell us about Simon. 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:52.840 Well, yeah, Simon Williams. Wonder man. I'm very interested by 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:56.720 this decision because this is I don't I don't want 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.440 to get lud into a false sense of security right again, 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:04.120 because like I feel like when when they announced the 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.680 Wander Vision creative team, and we had Matt Shackman, who's 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.000 worked on you know, It's always sunny. Everyone was like, 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.160 oh yeah, it's like and it's like forties, so it's 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.240 going to be like a comedy, like a sitcom, and 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:19.080 we got absolutely pranked, right, But I do think that 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:23.120 you you know, when you said miss Darleywood, like Eric 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.360 Diaz at Nerdist wrote this really really great piece about 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.080 how he thinks that that could be a great angle 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.360 for where they're going basically doing like Simon as a 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:36.760 movie star. Simon Williams premiered in Avengers number nine, so 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.840 that's a super early first appearance and that was Stanley 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.960 don Heck Dick Ayers and yeah, and a lovely Jack 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:49.440 Kirby cover and interestingly like then he died and then 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:53.080 he became a villain, and I just think, I think 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.920 there's so much there. I would love to see this 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.880 be another situation like Wondervision where we're kind of taken 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.240 surprise and it's something a little bit more, a little 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.720 bit better. But I also do love the notion of 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.360 the superhero who's also an actor. That's one of my 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.480 favorite things that they ever did with Hercules, who we 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.480 know we're going to see soon. So I kind of 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.560 love the idea that maybe they do just go for 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:19.360 a bit of a broader comedy and there's some space 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:24.280 that we get to see him and wonder Meat that's 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:28.120 kind of in that wonder Vision esque like fantastical space. 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:32.200 And also I'm most interested to know are they gonna 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.280 just like buff up Paul Bettenny and get him to pay? 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.280 I mean, it would be like a really fun silly 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.240 thing to do. And also I wonder the other option 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.400 that I wonder this would be the darker version, and 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.000 I think this does kind of fit in right. So 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:50.400 in the comics, Simon william gets his powers. I think 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.280 he gets powers from like Baron's Emo at one point. 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.240 Yes, the first time, I think, yeah, he gets powers, 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:58.680 And I could see a world. 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.160 You know, we've in the world of Powerbroker, We're in 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.679 this world of superheroes. I could see a kind of 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.639 dark twist on that story that fits more into the 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.679 Dark Avengers or the Thunderbolts or whatever we think that 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:15.720 they're going to do. And Simon Williams beginning in that 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.919 space and transitioning over because we know I like that, 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.280 And then you know what else, I suppose there's a 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.640 world where you could still build in the origin of 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:30.680 the vision having a brain imprint of Simon Williams's brain, 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.360 which is what we see in the comics, because that 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.480 could be something they try to do to Gray Vision. 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.040 So I think there's a lot of ways that you 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.120 could tie that in. But I also like, I kind 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:42.639 of want to see that. But I also love this 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:46.159 idea of like doing a kind of more like comedic 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.399 fun like Hollywood hero version. 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.800 I want to let uh I do like that take, 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.120 only because I think that's the one that's most likely 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:58.800 to deliver the iconic Simon Williams Safari jacket to us. 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.879 Yeah, baby, I'm still waiting for the doctor strange leopard 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.600 prink gloves, you know, like it's all about those weird 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:06.640 old costumes. 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:10.360 I wonder if what about this now I listen, I'm 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:14.040 not making pridition, but this here's my pitch. Simon Williams 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:18.080 and his brother Eric Williams, better known as the Grim 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:22.080 Reaper in the comics, Simon has a very hate hate 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:26.760 relationship with his super brother, the Grim Reaper. What if 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.359 there are super villains first, and he's kind of working 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.280 with Eric, But you know, he's the reluctant one. You know, 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:34.560 Eric's really the hardcore guy, and he's kind of like, 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:38.159 I don't know. And then something, you know, they're in crime, 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:42.360 and Eric's like, let's get powers, and they they talk 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.800 to it Powerbroker or Count Nefaria or Baron z Emo 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:49.800 or whoever they get powers. Eric becomes a Grim Reaper, 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:54.520 Simon becomes Wonder Man, and and maybe that's how we start. 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.560 I think that is a really interesting take because also 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:04.879 like in the in the more recent Vision comics, I 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:09.200 think it's Tom King and Gabriel Walter, the Grim Reaper 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:14.320 is a big inciting point for that storyline, and I 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:16.200 just kind of it just kind of blew my mind 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.840 the idea that something that could really take everyone out 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:20.520 of the blue that none of us would be expecting 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.600 is just a Vision series where it's Vision Gray Vision, 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:25.960 who is free, trying to live his life, who perhaps 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.919 has created this family or something, and then comes up 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:32.560 against Simon Williams and the Grim Reaper. You know, I 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.560 think that is a really interesting take, and they're definitely 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:39.119 interested in this morally gray space right at the moment, 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.239 whether it's Wonder or any of these kind of you 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:46.919 know us Agent Abomination, you know, suddenly teaming up like 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:49.720 that is still I'll never get over that one, but 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.919 like I would be, I'm very interested to see this. 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.760 Feels like a character has a lot of potential and 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.119 could be a massive hit for them, kind of in 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.440 the way Wander was. Like Scarlett Witch had fans before 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:05.560 the MCU, but now Scotlett Witch has like legions of 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.879 obsessive fans and Simon Williams. Seems like that could be 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.480 another kind of lesser known character that you could blow 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.520 up into like a big MCU hit up. 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:20.840 Next, John Snow series, a sequel to Game of Thrones 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:25.800 in development at HBO. This according to the Hollywood Reporter quote, 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.560 HBO is entered into early development on its first sequel 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.240 to the blockbuster fantasy drama, a live action spinoff series 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:34.720 centered on the fan favorite character John Stone. Now it continues, 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:38.080 Kit Harrington is attached to reprise the role should a 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:42.160 series move forward. The actor the actor was twice nominated 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:46.200 for Emmy for his portrayal. Now, let's just quickly tap 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:48.080 the brakes a little bit. And this also goes for 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:51.879 wonder Man series and development for MCU in development and 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.679 specifically when they said when the City or HBO has 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:58.520 entered into early development, that means they have an idea. 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:01.160 They don't have as script, they don't have an outline, 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.560 they don't even have a team. They just someone said, Hey, 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:10.240 if we find a good idea for a John Snow series, 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.240 Kit Harrington, would you be down to do it? Then 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:16.000 he was like, yeah, sure, and that's what this is. 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:16.320 Now. 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.920 Someone was saying, don't get excited. I'm just saying I'm 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:23.880 just saying, it's very The language here lets you know 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:28.640 that this is very very extremely very cursory, Like there's 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:31.520 no maybe an NDA or something, but there's. 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:35.240 Only just a positive conversation that got some people excited. 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:38.240 I think this makes a lot of sense, and I 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:43.920 think I've said it before. I think that if if 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.600 HBO had realized the importance of IP in the marketplace 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.320 back when they were ending the series, they would have 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:53.159 I think they would have done things differently. And I 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.200 think that the fact that they're attempting to move forward 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:57.920 with this, or at least moving into a very very 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:01.199 early form of the production process with this, lets you 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:04.439 know that they think that too. And I think this 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:05.160