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Speaker 1: Warning. This podcast contains spoilers for episode six of Obi

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Speaker 1: back to us. Hello, my name is Jason Concepciona. Welcome

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Speaker 1: next for Vision the Crooked podcast, where we dive deep

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Speaker 1: today's episode on Previously on we will give a heartfelt

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Speaker 1: will discuss some Kevin Figee comments, talk about Wonderman, talk

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Speaker 1: Kenobi episode six aka the finale aka Big Dual episode.

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Speaker 1: and who's we Who are the people that we're going

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Speaker 1: It's my great co host, the greatest to ever do it,

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Speaker 1: one of the most knowledgeable and wise comics people out there.

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Speaker 1: It is the great Rosie Night, Rosie, how are you

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Speaker 1: It up talking about all this in the Commonwealth. Does

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Speaker 2: Now, you know what it does? Because I was like,

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Speaker 1: All right, Let's jump in first with news and a

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Speaker 1: on June sixteenth, and in heartfelt Instagram post, Jim Lee wrote,

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Speaker 1: quote Tim sale was an amazing artist, draftsman, and storyteller.

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Speaker 1: Beyond the taut churiscuro style, which became his trademark. Tim

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Speaker 1: Above all, his stories were beautifully visceral, nuanced, and events

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Speaker 1: deep humanity. Tim simply had no use for surface banality,

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Speaker 1: and it is a huge loss. Tim is probably most

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Speaker 1: most notably probably The Long Halloween, but also some great

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Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? And it's it's really sad.

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Speaker 1: Tim Sale, I think had a style that I think

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think that you know, this is such

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tim had a When I discovered his art, he

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Speaker 1: Similarly, Kang will be here to get us to whoever

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Speaker 1: the twenty fifteen Secret Wars event in which you know,

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Speaker 1: This Secret Wars was a huge event, introduced us to

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Speaker 2: The way we're going, it looks like they're probably taking

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Speaker 1: Steve Rodgers, would undergo the legendary super Solia process. We

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Speaker 1: see three figures who we are soon to learn are

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Speaker 1: name Namia, Faria, and Salim. They're digging through the rubble

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Speaker 1: inside of some ancient temple near in search of the

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Speaker 1: Bengal we know exactly what that is. Faria notes that uh,

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Speaker 1: they find it, and Frea notes that it's still attached

436
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Speaker 1: to the arm of a blue skinned corpse. Ah Cree.

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Speaker 1: I mean like this is a pre confirmation, So I.

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Speaker 2: Think I think that Kree is where it's gonna go.

439
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: I think it's important to note that we've seen Yonder

440
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Speaker 2: is a Centurion blue skinned.

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Speaker 1: They look kind of like Kema.

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Speaker 2: And also there are occasional versions of Gin in Marvel

443
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Speaker 2: comics who are blueish, but this looked like a Kree

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Speaker 2: arm I think we are meant to think it's kree.

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Speaker 1: Uh that is where I went. But we will we

446
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Speaker 1: will find out more. They begin talking amongst themselves. You

447
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: heard what the man from the temple said, says Namia.

448
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: We would need too, meaning two Bengals. So in other words,

449
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Speaker 1: we still don't know where that other one is. Than

450
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: a woman who we suppose is either Kamala's grandmother or

451
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: great grandmother, Aisha, strides over to see the gauntlet. She

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Speaker 1: pries the pricelet off the corpse. We discovered that the

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Speaker 1: other one is they think has been looted by the British,

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Speaker 1: who have been into this temple numerous times. Then one

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Speaker 1: will have to do, the woman says, and they very

456
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Speaker 1: cannily call her soldier if you have the the close

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Speaker 1: captioning on. But again, we would surmise that this is

458
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Speaker 1: either Sana or Aisha, but it's Aysha. We figure that

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Speaker 1: out soon enough. The British army arrives and all of

460
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Speaker 1: a sudden, the strangers have to flee or fight their

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Speaker 1: way out. Aisha puts on the Bengal as the temple

462
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Speaker 1: begins to crumble around them, and the group separates in

463
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Speaker 1: order to find our way out and we go to

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Speaker 1: the present.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and just before we skip to the present, because

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Speaker 2: I didn't notice this until the second time on the

467
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Speaker 2: flow of the temple is the logo of none other

468
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Speaker 2: than the Ten Ring. Now that is not going to

469
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Speaker 2: be We're going to skip to the present and we're

470
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Speaker 2: essentially going to forget it. But let's remember it because

471
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Speaker 2: we are in the artifact era of them. We are

472
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Speaker 2: calling it on X ray vision, and I love the

473
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Speaker 2: artifact era. I would assume that there is not it's

474
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Speaker 2: not a coincidence that there is a magical alien artifact

475
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 2: in this space by the people who hold the magical

476
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Speaker 2: probably eternals created artifact of the Ten Rings God.

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Speaker 1: I love the artifacts. And by the way, we should add,

478
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Speaker 1: you know, previous in earlier phases of the MCU as

479
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Speaker 1: we have talked about, you know, pre mutation, there was

480
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Speaker 1: you either got injected with something, there was some kind

481
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Speaker 1: of lab experiment, or you are a god or alien.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: Right, uh. Now we're finding new ways there. We've we've

484
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Speaker 1: we've got artifactstation.

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Speaker 2: And they give power or they unlock power. It's very

486
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Speaker 2: interesting the the fact does not inherently empower anyone. It

487
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: unlocks certain things within people. That is something that I

488
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: think is really unique about the era we're in.

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Speaker 1: I agree also that I gotta say that all the

490
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Speaker 1: talk of the way the Bengal unlocks, they don't say

491
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Speaker 1: specifically DNA as such, but that's the way I took

492
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: it also reads.

493
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: Very cree Yes, that's the kind of science that they love.

494
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: That's they love that shit. We go to the present. Namia,

495
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Speaker 1: flanked by her three compatriots plus Kamala's schoolmate comrade now

496
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: is telling Kamala this tale of the past, how they

497
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: came to find the Bengal and how iu it came

498
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: to be separated from them. That was the last time

499
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Speaker 1: they saw Kamala's great grandmother. Kamala asks how they knew her.

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00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: Nami explains, okay, sit down, here we go. So we're

501
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: all exiles from another dimension. That should have been the

502
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: first red flag, by the way, you know, right exit

503
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: when when you've done ship to such a degree that

504
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: your entire dimension is like, go to a different dimension.

505
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: Like we don't even want to, We don't even want

506
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: to put you in another world, off world in this dimension.

507
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: We want you out of this completely.

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00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: Also, like everyone in the MCU is really chill about

509
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: like other dimensions.

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00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: It's like, I feel like everyone that oh yeah, of course,

511
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: oh yeah, sure, yeaheah, yeah, we got it. I mean,

512
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: to be fair, they did see like an entire Chitari

513
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: army poor out of the sky.

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00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: You know, it works well in the context of the

515
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: show of like of what we know of the history.

516
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: It's just really fun to see like people be like,

517
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: oh yeah, we know about the alives like another dimension.

518
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: Of course. I mean, of course you would think that

519
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: when like Captain America exists in your world and like

520
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: you said, Chatari.

521
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: So Kamala is is pretty mind blown by all this.

522
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: We discovered the exiles are soon to be named. The

523
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: Clandestines are all very very old, perhaps centuries old. Kamala

524
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: learns as Adam, another exile, walks.

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00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: In with important name.

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00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: Remember that name, Yeah, remember that name. With bluetooth headphone

527
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: on singing music. Namya mentions that Camaran said Kamala was cute,

528
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: which Namya agrees with, and we get an awkward and

529
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: very wonderful, heartwarming little teen moment between.

530
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: It's very cute.

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Speaker 1: Later, Namia and Kamala have a private talk. We learned

532
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: that Kamala donning the Bengal is the thing that allowed

533
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: these exiles to sense her presence, which they feel as nere,

534
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: meaning light. Nere is how the exiles remain young. There

535
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: are hundreds, perhaps perhaps even older than that, years old,

536
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: centuries old. Kamala is worried about Okay, I've got this

537
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: bangle now and with great power, you know, comes all

538
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: the rest of that stuff, And I'm worried that putting

539
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: this on is going to put everyone in danger. No mean,

540
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: I was like, don't worry. You're awesome, Like everything's great.

541
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 1: Isn't it great? You found like we found you and

542
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: you found your tribe now and this is awesome, isn't

543
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: it great? Everything's so so, so so good, and in fact,

544
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: it feels almost too good to be true. And here

545
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: you get that hint that yes it is, because Kamalala

546
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: is like, so hold on a second, do I have

547
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: to give you? Do you want the mangle? Like? Do

548
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: I have to give it to you? And I'm just like,

549
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: sort of, just let's table that conversation now. Just keep

550
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: this in the back of your mind. Your great grandmother

551
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: wanted all of us to go home, and now that's

552
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: your job. So we can work out the details later,

553
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: but let's just talk about it, uh. And that is

554
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: when Namiya says, by the way, we're called clandestinees, you

555
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: would know us as gin. Uh, you know which another

556
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: word for that is genius.

557
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: Basically like yeah, it comes it comes from the same

558
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: the same kind of folkloret history.

559
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Kamala goes to see Bruno. She tells him about

560
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: the Sarctek drones, about the Gin, about her being potentially

561
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: a gin, about how Camrade was involved and he's also

562
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: probably a gin, and ps, I need your help Bruno

563
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 1: because there's like interdimensional shit going on. And Bruno. I

564
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: love Bruno because he like he takes this all in

565
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: and then like wait a beat and then goes, actually,

566
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: I do think I can help with the internevidual Oh.

567
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: He's like He's like, oh that actually.

568
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 4: I think I read a paper on that. And I'm like, Bruno,

569
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 4: I love you, I love.

570
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: It, And she's like yeah, Eric Selvic beat on me, yeah,

571
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: like a well, well aware of doctor Eric's incredible groundbreaking

572
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: work almost getting Earth colonized by Shaitari. He did do that,

573
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: but like again, brilliant man. And so Bruno's like, yeah,

574
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: I can, I can. Let me dig into Eric's paper,

575
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna work on this one more thing. Bruno says,

576
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: by the way, ps I forgot to mention this. With

577
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: all the gin talk and all the alien talking interventional shit,

578
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: you are trending and shows Kamala the video from the

579
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: I'd Rescue. The Department of Damage Control rolls up to

580
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: the neighborhood mosque. Uh Oh. Agent Diver who sucks sucks

581
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: walks in flanked by other agents and she wants to

582
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: know about this unregistered, unknown enhanced individual who has been

583
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: operating the area seen on the video that is currently

584
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: going viral on social media. Diver is like, and you know,

585
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: it'd be great if I could just take a look

586
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: around Nakia not yet the board, remember, but Running Running

587
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: comes up and is like, you gotta warn't what's up?

588
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: I know my rights, I know our rights. Where's you weren't?

589
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: And Deaver tries the the you know, the traditional cop Thai. Well,

590
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's like if you don't have anything to

591
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: hide kind of thing, like you know, blah blah blah.

592
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: But she does leave uh and on her way at Shacob,

593
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: Dollah is like, don't forget a next time, please take

594
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: off your shoes, because that's.

595
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: I love that how it's done.

596
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: Here, Kamala is in her bedroom and she cannot stop

597
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: watching the video of her rescue, and I, you know,

598
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: I get it.

599
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: I read a teenage It's so.

600
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: I remember when I played in jazz band in high

601
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: school and we had our first concert and I had

602
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: a solo and I watched that video like four hundred

603
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: and that was not viral. No one else saw that

604
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: was on VHS. I watched it constantly and it was

605
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: this was like man that hit just watching Krmala constantly

606
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: watching the video of her rescuing a young boy. Nakia

607
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: comes in distraught. She's like, the the fucking do o

608
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: DC came to the mosque. They're asking about this hero

609
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: that I'm calling them that she has coined the night.

610
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: She's actually kind of good. It's cute. And somehow Maggia

611
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: does not recognize that her good friend is the spitting

612
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: image of the hero and is uh and was not

613
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: around when the rescue took place, was not anywhere to

614
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 1: be seen.

615
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 2: I guess it's that like they have there's that psychological

616
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: thing that they talk about where it's like if you

617
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: were riding the subway and you saw someone that you

618
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: knew really really well, even like a family member or

619
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: a friend, but they weren't supposed to be there, like

620
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 2: you thought they were somewhere else. You might not recognize them.

621
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: It's like quite likely you wouldn't, so I guess they're

622
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 2: playing on that. But also it's just like a funny

623
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: narrative devices. But the thing, the thing that's really hard

624
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: is like Nakias like understandably pissed, yeah, because it's putting

625
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 2: the mask in their community in danger. And then Kamala's

626
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: like so sad because she was absolutely gonna tell Nokia

627
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: in that moment.

628
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 4: And it's just like it's like those you want to

629
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 4: like shake them both and just be like be honest,

630
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 4: to be honest, but it's so much done.

631
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: Also a very teenage thing, you know. It's like with boys,

632
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: it's different because guys starting in their teenage years, when

633
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: you start having like close guy friends and going on

634
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: throughout your life, guys just don't Guys just don't say

635
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: anything to each other. My girlfriend is.

636
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: Always staying around in silence.

637
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: I hung out with a with a good friend of

638
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: mine recently. He was going through vicious breakups. I was like,

639
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go hang out with him, and went out

640
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: and we just you know, chilled and hung out and

641
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: you know, watch TV, watch movies, et cetera. And I

642
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: came back and she's like, okay, so what happened? And

643
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, we didn't talk about it. She said, what's

644
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: wrong with you? What is wrong with me?

645
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: Just needed some time with the bros, just needed some

646
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: chilling time.

647
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: But I but I get it, is what I'm saying,

648
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: Like when you're when you're a teen, it's hard to

649
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: find the words.

650
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: I remember that feeling like so well, or it's like

651
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: you really want to tell someone something that to you

652
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: feel like it's like the end of the world, and

653
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 2: you also wrapped up in it that honestly they probably

654
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: wouldn't care. And we get a really good moment of

655
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 2: that at the end of this scene.

656
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Kamala is a little freaked out because, oh

657
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: my god, the government after her. So she's a little

658
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: too shaken to really take in that the information when

659
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: Nakia says, hey, by the way, I won election to

660
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: the mosque board. But then she warms to it and

661
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: she's like, congratulations. This wonderful moment. At the Mendi, the

662
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: pre wedding Hennah celebration, Kamala listens to her mother Meniba

663
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: talk about her grandmother Sanna, who of course is not

664
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: around to attend of Meer's wedding, and folks are gossiping

665
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 1: about the superhero. Who is it? Is it a person

666
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: from the community. Everybody probably agrees that it's likely. You

667
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: know a brown Muslim girl in the Lords of Shake.

668
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 1: Ab Dollah Whenibe gives, is like, oh, by the way, Kamala,

669
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: I've got this box that Bruno left for you. And

670
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: Kamala goes outside to open it. She Kabdulla follows her outside.

671
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: He's like, why aren't you you're isolating yourself? Why not

672
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: are you not with your family? Why are you not

673
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: with the rest of the party. And Kamala and he

674
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: have a really wonderful conversation in which he imparts quite

675
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: a bit of wisdom. She's like, hey, what do you

676
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: think of this new hero? Like are they good? Are

677
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: they bad? What's your read? How can this hero convince

678
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: the neighborhood that she's actually a hero, that she's actually good?

679
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: And Shake says, good is not a thing you are

680
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: it's a thing you do, which I love.

681
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: Yes, and that is like a really big moment because

682
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: that is essentially that is Kamala's with great Power wine

683
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: from the comics, and it's done so well.

684
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: Here.

685
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: One of the things I absolutely love that you never

686
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: really get to see on TV is like Kamala says

687
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: to him, like what do you think? And he's like

688
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: what do you think? And I was like, wow, this

689
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: is like such a high functioning.

690
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 4: Adult, like, oh, he just knows he just needs to

691
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 4: like find out where she's at.

692
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: And yeah, that and is like so powerful. I love

693
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 2: it really good.

694
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: In the box, Kamala finds that Bruno has made her

695
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: a new and comics accurate mask. I don't know how

696
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: it stays on, but however, I know the genius Bruno

697
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: is a genius.

698
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 2: It's probably some molecular shit like who knows.

699
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: Unstable molecules, as they say, and I would assume also like.

700
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: Other costumeings of a costume, because the way that this

701
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 2: is going, I don't I just feel like I don't

702
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 2: know how because obviously the notion of the alter ego

703
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 2: is such a big part of superhero comics. Though I

704
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: do kind of love how in Kamala's case, she gets

705
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: to have friends in on it. I think that's like

706
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: really powerful and something we don't get to see a lot,

707
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 2: because like that's one of the biggest contradictions of superheroes

708
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 2: is all the lies. You know that it's a Peter

709
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,959
Speaker 2: Parker problem, Like everyone you love is in danger because

710
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: you're constantly just lying to them about like being a superhero.

711
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: I feel like the way they're going with this, and

712
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: how brilliant her mum is at making clothes and stuff,

713
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: I feel like that we're gonna have to get a

714
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: version of the costume that's at least partially unintentionally designed

715
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: by her mom. I don't know that would be really

716
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 2: I'm soppy nowadays. I'm a old lady. I find that

717
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: they're movingship. I would love to see. It's so good.

718
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: It's so good. It is really this is some of

719
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: the best just dramatic family writing, community writing that has

720
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: happened thus far.

721
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: It's such a joy to.

722
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,479
Speaker 1: Later at the corner store, Bruno's at work, and while

723
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: he's at work, he's also crunching Eric Selviigg's projections, and

724
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: you see actually like you see diagrams very similar to

725
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: the ones that we have seen Eric pointing at Bagram.

726
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: It is unhitched diagrams when he which he's explaining with

727
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: with only underwear on. Bruno is looking at that and

728
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: he's also researching the Gin. Yusef comes in Kamala's dad

729
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: and is like, oh, Bruno, what are you working on

730
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: and then notices that he's got all these papers in

731
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: Urdu and he's like, oh, I can help you with this.

732
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: He because it translated. He says, oh, the Gin are

733
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: supernatural beings of pre Islamic folklore. And he continues that

734
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: there's legends about hidden Gin exile to our world, forever

735
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: searching for a way home, and of course the way

736
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: home is the Bangle. We know now according to Eric

737
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: Selvic's research, the same research again that allowed the Tesseract

738
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: to open a portal in space and that started to

739
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: pour in. Inter dimensional travel is possible. We know that,

740
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: but like Eric with the testsa Act, you need a

741
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: strong enough energy source to open that portal. And so

742
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: Bruno says to Kamala, yes, you can help the clandestine return.

743
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: It is scientifically possible, but because of the power levels involved,

744
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: like you could also, I don't know blow up the

745
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: world like that, and Kamala is mulling over all of

746
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: this for role in all of this, when Bruno also says,

747
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: and by the way, because I love you, I want

748
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: to tell you that I'm going to Caltech, which is

749
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: all the way across the country. H And I just

750
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: wanted to tell you that because I love you. And

751
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: he also promises, listen, I'll help you return the gin home.

752
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: But like, there's just really no safe way to do

753
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: it now, let me continue researching. Later, Muniva comes up

754
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: to Kamala's room and starts tending to some of Kamala's

755
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: scrapes and scratches the stuff that the kind of small

756
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: injuries that she incurred rescuing the boy. Kamala, in a

757
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: very roundabout and again very authentically teenage way, tries to

758
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: ask about the thing that's on her mind by seeming

759
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: to ask about other banal kind of family shit, and

760
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: Minieba frames her answer in the context of her own

761
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: life as an immigrant in America. Knew a newcomer in America, saying,

762
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, we came here, we didn't know anyone. I

763
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: didn't know where to turn, and I found a community

764
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: in the mosque that became the locus of our life,

765
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: and she insists, listen, you might feel alone right now,

766
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: but you have a community. You have you don't have

767
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: to face whatever it is you're dealing with alone. And

768
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: of course Kamala now has a little bit of courage

769
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: to face the mission to return the Gin, perhaps to

770
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: their interdimensional home. But of course first we have to

771
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: deal with Amir and Taysha's wedding, and we go to

772
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: the wedding use of counsel's a mirror that really touchingly

773
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: ahead of the wedding. Again like this is what.

774
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: I was parenting.

775
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: I just this is like wonderful parenting in this I.

776
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 2: Love seeing a TV show like I feel like real life,

777
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: it's really hard because parents are just humans, so like, yeah,

778
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: it can be very cathartic to see terrible parents and

779
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: be like yeah, but it can also be so wonderful

780
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: to just see really loving, thoughtful parents. The stuff like

781
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: Manieba this episode and Useuf as well, but like especially

782
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: Menieba is is so well done and so heartbreaking, and

783
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: as an adult, you just want to tell Kamala, like

784
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: just tell them, like you can tell them, and you

785
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: can tell from the way that they are behaving and

786
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: the things they are saying to her, and the honesty

787
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 2: that they're coming to her with. She could tell them

788
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: and it's absolutely heartbreaking to watch that not be reciprocated.

789
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: And you understand why because when you're a teenager something like,

790
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: you're so worried about getting in trouble. You know, Kamala

791
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: is terrified and of putting people in danger.

792
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and plus there's this whole other layer of it

793
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: where you know, what did her what did her grandmother do?

794
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: What her grandmother do the way that story is talking yet.

795
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: To Thelamily if the family is.

796
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: That gonna make is she gonna be a black sheep?

797
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: So there's all these different cross currents of emotion happening

798
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: that are keeping Kamala from just telling the truth. Uh.

799
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: And but yeah, you just want to shake her to

800
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: be like, just tell them they're really what are they

801
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: gonna do? They're just they're fine. This this moment with

802
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: Yusef Nimir is sparked because the Mirors like, man, I'm broke.

803
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,959
Speaker 1: I got like seven hundred dollars, which, by the way,

804
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: not bad, not bad.

805
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: I told that.

806
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: I gotta say, there's it was not that long ago

807
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: that I would have gone, man, I got seven hundred.

808
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: Dude, me too.

809
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: I I good.

810
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: I'm always like, look, I've been I've been the kind

811
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 2: of broke where when you say you're broke, you literally

812
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: don't have a penny in your bank. So I'm like

813
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: seven hundred. I'm like, that is the start of a

814
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: savings Like, you're doing well.

815
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I've been the kind of broke where it's like,

816
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: let me put this bill on a credit card.

817
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean in England they don't even let

818
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 2: you get credit cards if you're poor, which is a

819
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 2: good thing in the long although not good in the moment.

820
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: So no, I feel you and I kind of love

821
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 2: there's I really appreciate the way that everybody who makes

822
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: this show weaves in all these moments. You know, this

823
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: is something that Super Reducer Sauw Talks has talked about before.

824
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: But it's like the specificity. You begin with that specificity

825
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: that feels so unique a niche to one situation, but

826
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: by doing that, you explode out this huge universal experience.

827
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: And this is one of those things. These two people

828
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 2: having this conversation that feels so unique to their culture

829
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: and is very much in the lead up to this

830
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: wedding and it, but it hits every different version. You

831
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: don't have to have gotten married, you don't need to

832
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: be Muslim, you don't even need to have a good

833
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: relationship with your dad. There's just something in that fear

834
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: of here's somebody I love, here's a life I want

835
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: to have?

836
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: Can I do it? Yeah?

837
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: Like everyone relates to that.

838
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. When storytelling is done well and truly

839
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: there it doesn't matter that you're watching a story that

840
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: takes place in a different cultural context than you were

841
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: ready for. What you learn is that like mothers love

842
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: their children, fathers want to take care of their children.

843
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: Kids are a little scared but also very in love

844
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: with their parents and don't want to disappoint them, And

845
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: all this shit is like very very universal despite the

846
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: different cultural context. And that's what really comes through, and

847
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff in it the greatest of ways.

848
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: Later on, Namia goes through comminance phone and she realizes

849
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: that Kamala offered to help return them to the dimension Uh,

850
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: and her son didn't tell her, so she's fucking mad.

851
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: Uh went in some points love him now.

852
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: Sure, it's dangerous and it could destroy the world. And

853
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: it could kill literally a lot of people, maybe everybody.

854
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: But but Namia says, and I quote, we're going to

855
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: make her helpless. I'm not asking anymore.

856
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: Okay, see the truth for that, old Namia.

857
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: So later after, at the after party of the wedding,

858
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: we got lots of dancing, wonderful dancing, big celebration, the

859
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: newly married couple is involved. Bruno gets out there and

860
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: dances a little bit Kamala. After various dances, Kamala asks

861
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 1: Bruno to dance and it's a wonderful moment. Only Camra

862
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 1: chooses that moment to come up and be like, hey,

863
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 1: big problem. So my mom saw your text and she's

864
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: coming here with the rest of the clandestine and I'm.

865
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: Just gonna kill everyone.

866
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna kill everyone. To be to be

867
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: one hundred percent honest, I think they're gonna kill everybody,

868
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: Like I had a crazy.

869
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: Thing to hear, absolutely terrible timing on Cameron's pop. But

870
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: can't blame him. He's doing a best he can. It's

871
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 2: just stupid, like he came there to save everyone's lives.

872
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: And also very sorry Bruno, but I gotta say, Cameron,

873
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: like again, you're absolutely right big points for him, like

874
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: this took a lot of this took guts to do.

875
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I kind of I love, I actually love.

876
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 2: I love the kind of reflection of what we're talking

877
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: about about, like Kamala's parents are so loving and accepting,

878
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: and then to also show this other side of it,

879
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 2: where it's the struggle that Cameron has of like loving

880
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: his mom but being very aware of like what she

881
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 2: will do to get what she wants, and pitting him

882
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: against that to support his friend.

883
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: I love my mom very much, an immigrant mother as

884
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: well child. But I think and I mean, this is

885
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: the greatest way my mom was a little closer to

886
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: the nomia side of this.

887
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: I absolutely agree, I can shared experience. I would relate

888
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: to that. And I just think that I think Cameron's like,

889
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: I think this is a really big sacrifice, and it's

890
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: obviously going to be a it's obviously gonna be like

891
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: a tom point moment in that friendship.

892
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 1: So Kamala needs a distraction to get everybody out of here.

893
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: So again the clandesn don't kill everybody. She pulls the

894
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: fire alarm, gets everybody out of there. Now, there are

895
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: various weddings taking place at this banquet hall. So like

896
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: later on we will see a bunch of wedding parties

897
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: on the lobby. They're they're you know, a beautiful perfect

898
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: day kind of ruined, but also their lives saved, even

899
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 1: though they don't know that. But it's it is very

900
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: tough stuff to watch. Kamala ends up fighting with the

901
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: clandestine uh first in the back hallways and the kitchens

902
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: of this banquet hall, to the tune of Muniba and

903
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: Yusuf's love ballad Banjovi's Living on a prayer. Kamala alone,

904
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: like without the bangal right, oh, you would absolutely have

905
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: zero shot against these centuries old interdimensional warriors. But with

906
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: the bank, she is able to really instinctively hold her own,

907
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: Like we see moments where various clandestine are striking out

908
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: against her, hitting her, kicking her, pure swinging various weapons

909
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: at her, and instinctively somehow, the the nore, the light

910
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: is just armoring up that area that is being and

911
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: that's almost as today, there's an armor that's a really

912
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: really huge part of this the Bengal's power, and it's

913
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: really cool. Namya kills the lights and she says, listen

914
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: to Kamala just like open the doorway and we can

915
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: end this. Maybe it doesn't have to go any far,

916
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: any further than this. The battle spills out into the

917
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: banquet hall. Bruno arrives to give help, but he is no.

918
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: He immediately gets like basically knocked out.

919
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 2: It's very sweet, but yeah, yes.

920
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: Kamala then, after seeing her friend, very specifically friend get

921
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: get attacked, summons the big in hand and use it

922
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: to mollywop the clinics. It's a really cool moment, bigin

923
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: for those of for those out there that were worried,

924
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 1: Oh we're not going to see the hand, the power's

925
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: gonna be different. That was it.

926
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: And they'd hinted, they'd teased it before with like her

927
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 2: catching people, but this was that big and bigger moment

928
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: where and she just like you said, molly wop is

929
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 2: the perfect word. She takes all three four of them out,

930
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: and I think something else that we see here. There

931
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 2: was a group of people in their trailer and for

932
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: a long time we were theorizing who's that going to be?

933
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 2: Is it damage control? Is it the protect The other

934
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 2: Protectors of the universe used to have the negga bands.

935
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 2: Is it? People were like, is it an inhuman because

936
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 2: they were walking through a myst you know. So I

937
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: think it was quite clear as we see them walk

938
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 2: through the door that it was that as we now

939
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 2: know them, the clandestines. But they are after the band.

940
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 2: So we were a bit right. We were, We were

941
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 2: right right.

942
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 5: We knew that they weren't art the fact, we just

943
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 5: didn't know they were going to go for a nineteen

944
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 5: ninety four Alan Davis comic as this material.

945
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: I think that are If we have to look at

946
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: our shooting percentage on on on predictions, I would guess

947
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: that we're like, we're like a decent to above average

948
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: NBA three point shooter. We're about thirty seven, thirty eight percent,

949
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: maybe less than forty percent. Right, Yeah, we get a

950
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: lot of things wrong, but we put shots up and

951
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: we will continue to do it because it's the shots

952
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: of the thumb part that's the like onn part.

953
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: I'm we're never going to be like one hundred percent

954
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 2: right because ever at least fifty of all of our

955
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: theories are just like weird shit we want to see,

956
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: but it's always based on the comics. But like I

957
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: have to say, though, we have we've theorized a lot

958
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: of weird stuff. And we'll get into this a little

959
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: bit after because we're about to at the end of

960
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 2: the episode.

961
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 4: But like.

962
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 2: We have, we have maybe never theorized anything as weird

963
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: as the Clandestine.

964
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: Again this show. Let's talk about this in the conversation

965
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: after the retat, but it's definitely I was I was

966
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: bowled over by the Klan.

967
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

968
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: Anyway, Cameron comes in and he has some real moves.

969
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: Clearly he has been trained by his mom and the rest.

970
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 2: He's even got a weapon. He's got a weapon, a weapon.

971
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: The Clandestine corner Kamala and Bruno, who has been knocked silly.

972
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: He's in concussion protocol. Nmia grabs Kamala's wrist and you know,

973
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: trying to grab the bangle off of her, and this

974
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 1: triggers a It's it's not a vision, but some sort

975
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: of like a portal opening suddenly, and out of this

976
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: portal is barreling an old time like steam train h

977
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: and all and that that is there and then all

978
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden it disappears. Then damage control shows up

979
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: and they are firing stun blasts. They are taking the

980
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: Clandestine out, and the Clandestine and Cameron are going into custody,

981
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: Kamala and Bruno escape outside, Nakia learns that, oh my god,

982
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,479
Speaker 1: my friend Kamala is the superhero. Why can you fucking

983
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: tell me what the fuck? Uh? Later at home, Muniba

984
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: and Yusuf asked Kamala what the fuck is going on? Like,

985
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: so did you pull?

986
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 2: One?

987
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: Did you pull the fire alarm? And two? What was

988
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: that fight and the people that got arrested? And she's like,

989
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you. I'm going to bed now.

990
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: Leopau is here. This is where I thought. Man, if

991
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: this was me and this was my mom, who again

992
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 1: is more on the Namya spectrum, I would have been

993
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: getting like shoes thrown it.

994
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I wouldn't. I would not have made

995
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 2: it into the house.

996
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: Like absolutely, hold on, did you pull the fire alarm

997
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: during your brother's wedding? And now you won't talk about it?

998
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: That's a you're oh, you're gonna talk about it incorrect?

999
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: Correct, you will.

1000
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: Discuss you are mistaken, you will discuss it. Kamala goes

1001
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: up to her bedroom and she's just lying there thinking

1002
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: about everything that's happened. She's I don't always point that

1003
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: we've seen her yet. But then Nana randomly facetimes in

1004
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: and is like, hey, you gotta you and your mom,

1005
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 1: you gotta come to Karaschi. You come back, come back home.

1006
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: Well I was like what what and she's like, did

1007
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: you see it? And she's like, wait what the train?

1008
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: Did you see the train? Which lets you know that

1009
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: we are going to Karachi folks, we're probably going to

1010
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: crashy Now is is Aisha on the train and does

1011
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: she have the other bangal? I?

1012
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think the train so we know

1013
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: that that is when uh, when the when Nanny went

1014
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: missing and then followed the trail of stars. So I

1015
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: definitely think the bangle is something to do with it,

1016
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 2: or somebody who had worn the bangle before had come

1017
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 2: to that there's something about the train that is really

1018
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: important to the story of who this is and the

1019
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 2: fact that Nanni's saying that Manieba needs to go to

1020
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: prove what we know, which is this is obviously something

1021
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: that at some point Meniva has been told about and

1022
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 2: didn't want to know about it and didn't want to

1023
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 2: believe it and thought it was fantastical and perhaps like

1024
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: worrying rather than something real. I'm very excited to see

1025
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 2: them go together and hopefully maybe see Miniva accept like

1026
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: this part of her family history that she hasn't been

1027
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 2: able to and kind of, if not embrace, at least

1028
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 2: acknowledge that it's now part of Kamala's life.

1029
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the other part of that too, is

1030
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm gonna here's here's a patented X

1031
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: ray vision forty percent prediction, I wonder if Miniva puts

1032
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: on the puts on one of the Bengals. She's got

1033
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: it too, right, I.

1034
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 2: Would absolutely love Oh, definitely, they all have it. It's

1035
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: obviously a lineage.

1036
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: So I would not be shocked to see her as

1037
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: that healing step, you know, of coming to terms with

1038
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: her family history that she's been kind of ashamed of,

1039
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: and putting on the Bengal and becoming a hero helping

1040
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: her daughter.

1041
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 2: Especially if it was in a moment of danger. Yeah,

1042
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 2: you know, the Bangle might even be called to her. Also,

1043
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: we can we can probably assume that we know that

1044
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 2: an actor was cast as Red Dagger, who is like

1045
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: another teen superhero from his marvel and if they're going

1046
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: to Karachi, we can probably assume they're going to meet him. Yeah, So,

1047
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: and I'm interested in the comics, Bruno goes to Wakanda

1048
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: to study and he comes back with a Wakandan friend.

1049
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: I wonder if they're going to replace that with Caltech,

1050
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 2: because to do that in a you know, a six

1051
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: episode series not so much. And then you get it's

1052
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 2: gonna be the love quadruple between you know, Cameron, now

1053
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 2: that we know they're not related, Bruno and and Red

1054
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: Dagger potentially too. So who knows it's gonna be. It's

1055
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: gonna be exciting times for Kamala Khan. I'm very happy

1056
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 2: for her.

1057
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about the reveal that Namia and these

1058
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: the shadowy figures that we saw in the Miss Marvel

1059
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: trailer been revealed to be the Clandestine's said Clandestine's which

1060
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: is listen, everything that's not like Doctor Do, Magneto, kang

1061
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: et cetera. Is going to be kind of a deep

1062
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: cut at this point. But this is a wild deep

1063
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: cut Rosie tell us about the Clandestine.

1064
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So the Clandestine which was first introduced, it was

1065
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 2: like teased in the ninety ninety four Marvel Comics Presents

1066
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 2: one fifty eight. The team's created by Alan Davis and

1067
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: the Great Davis and then they had their own They

1068
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: went into their own series immediately called The Clandestine, in

1069
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: that it is literally a clan, the patriarch of whom

1070
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 2: is called Adam DestinE, which is why that character Adam

1071
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 2: was likely a knob there, though he didn't necessarily seem

1072
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: like the leader of the crew. I think we can say.

1073
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: That's yeah, absolutely absolute.

1074
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: So this is really interesting. There's actually a lot of

1075
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: I was rereading the original nineteen ninety four run before this,

1076
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: and there's actually a lot of that kind of wonder

1077
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 2: Man stuff, Like we see versions of the heroes in

1078
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 2: the now where they're kind of sup they're superheroes, but

1079
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 2: they're also celebrities and stuff. But the the basic thing

1080
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: that you need to know about them that is being

1081
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: drawn on here is that in the comics, The Clandestine

1082
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 2: is a secret immortal family of superpowered beings who are

1083
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: descended from gin Now. In one of in a rare misstep,

1084
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: I will say for Alan Davis, who I find to

1085
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: generally be quite a wonderful creator, that the issue where

1086
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: that is introduced is pretty problematic with its representations. It

1087
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 2: goes to the Crusades, and the representations of people of

1088
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 2: color are not great and that it's not necessarily like

1089
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:54,439
Speaker 2: a respectful take on gin Law. But I think as

1090
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 2: is the Marvel Studio's way at the moment, they're recontextualizing

1091
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 2: something to put it into a more interesting and relevant

1092
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: and authentic cultural space. And this speaks to another trend.

1093
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 2: We're in the art fact era, which we love, but

1094
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: we are definitely seeing a lot more stories about people's lineage.

1095
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: We saw it in shang Chi. It was really black

1096
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 2: Panther was the first one with the ancestral plane, you know.

1097
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 3: And so I think inclusion of Dane Whitman and the attorneys, yeah, yeah,

1098
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 3: I definitely this is very excaliburish yep. So I think

1099
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 3: Dan Whitman is a great care and this idea of

1100
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 3: lineage and legacy, and this definitely fits into that because

1101
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 3: what they've essentially done, and I think we can assume

1102
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 3: we can probably safely say that in the first episode

1103
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 3: when we saw Kamala use the bangle for the first

1104
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 3: time and fall back into that world, we can assume

1105
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 3: that's the now dimension, which is the dimension of gin

1106
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 3: probably and sort of similar to the to the ancestral

1107
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 3: plane for Kamala. So I think it's really interesting recontextualization.

1108
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 3: It's also not it's not unheard of, though they were

1109
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 3: introduced as heroes, been times when they're antagonists, and like

1110
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 3: some people, I think at some point they've been called

1111
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 3: super villains. So it's not wild to kind of recontextualize it.

1112
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 3: But it's very interesting to see it, especially because, as

1113
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 3: we've talked about a lot in the comics, Miss Marvel

1114
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 3: gets her powers through terror Genesis, when a terror gen

1115
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 3: bomb goes off and lots of people get powers because

1116
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 3: it you know, that's how in humans are made, and

1117
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 3: in humans are a secret superpower immortal royal lineage.

1118
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 2: They live in the moon, which I always think is

1119
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 2: really cool. I'll just always remind everyone of that. But

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01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 2: it's kind of hilarious to me that the creative team here,

1121
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: the heads of Marvel Studio, they managed to dig into

1122
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 2: the Marvel archives and find another immoral secret family with

1123
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 2: like a magical lineage. I'm like, well done. It's not,

1124
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 2: you know, anything to not be an inhuman. So yeah,

1125
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see how deep this will go

1126
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 2: and whether this is a bit more of a Hawkeye

1127
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: situation where we were seeing a lot of Obviously, it's

1128
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 2: already a lot deeper than the hawkind name drops, because

1129
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 2: most of those were just literal name drops. But I

1130
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 2: do wonder if the history of the Clandestine or the

1131
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 2: more intricate kind of centuries old, we'll get an exploration

1132
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 2: like the Ten Rings, or if this is more of

1133
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 2: just it's important because it's Kamala's origin. Yeah, and outside

1134
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 2: of the show we won't necessarily find out more, but

1135
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 2: it sets her up with powers that are far more

1136
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: in line with Monika and Carol, who we know she'll

1137
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 2: be firing alongside. And I think that's really exciting.

1138
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: Uh well, I can't wait to see where this goes.

1139
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: Okay Obi Wan canob Be? Part six? Story by Stuart

1140
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: Beattie and Joby Harold and Andrew Stanton. Teleplay by Joby

1141
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: Harold Andrew Stanton, Whussein Emini. We open on Tattooine where

1142
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: Reva is on her feet. Folks, she's great, she's banged up,

1143
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: but listen, this is a Game seven situation and she's

1144
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,919
Speaker 1: a gamer. She's gotta get it done and she's gonna

1145
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: gritted out despite having a lightsaber shoved or guts. She

1146
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: has been led to Tattooin, of course, by the voice

1147
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: message on obi Wan's phone, and she's looking for Owen Lars.

1148
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: Where's he at? I'm gonna I'm gonna interrogate everybody here

1149
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: until I figure out where Owen Lars is at. Meanwhile,

1150
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: our baby rebels our fleeing Jabeam Fortestin on Roken's cruiser,

1151
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: Invaders flagship is in hot pursuit and on board obi

1152
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: Wan knows we ain't gonna make it, folks. Ship is taken, hits,

1153
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: the inspirational speaker is back. We are not gonna make it.

1154
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: Back on Tattooine, where the sand is hot, but the

1155
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,919
Speaker 1: draw is are two. Young Luke Skywalker is in town

1156
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: with Uncle Owen, precocious young man already a citizen though

1157
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: who has witnessed Riva's tirade in town. Comes up to Owen,

1158
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: is like, listen, you're in trouble. You got to get

1159
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: out of here. They're looking for you, inquisitors here, they're

1160
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: looking for you. Back on the ship, then informs Lea

1161
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: that listen, I gotta go. Darth wants me. That's the thing.

1162
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: Darth wants me. And if I leave the ship and

1163
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: go off somewhere to fight him, and I'll draw him

1164
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: off and I promise you the Empire will stop pursuing

1165
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: this ship of families that are terrified, and they'll follow

1166
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,959
Speaker 1: me and I can draw them off well, like.

1167
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 2: They are looking for four sensitive people.

1168
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 4: So I feel like this is not the most logical point,

1169
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 4: but I like, I didn't like the intention.

1170
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: I like the intention, and I think it's a strong bet. Like,

1171
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: clearly he's over selling it, but I think it's a

1172
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: good bet.

1173
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly Anakin is obsessed with everyone. We know that

1174
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 2: if he's in charge of where they go for now,

1175
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 2: they will be saying right, uh.

1176
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: Even Haja is like, Ben, don't do this. But it

1177
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: ultimately turns out to be the right roof. Back at

1178
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: the Lars Moisture Firm, which I have, which I have

1179
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: named Casawett, so Lars tells Buru that we gotta hide

1180
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: because the questions are coming. We gotta get out of you.

1181
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna go, I don't know, somewhere the dude's gonna be.

1182
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: It came somewhere, and Bruce's like, shut the fuck up,

1183
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: your big put your big boy boots on and gun up.

1184
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: Let me get these guns out of the hole, and

1185
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna fight it out here, and let me just

1186
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: stop and say, why are we even hiding the guns?

1187
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 2: I know, right?

1188
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: Is that fine?

1189
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 2: Maybe keeping keeping.

1190
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: Oh that's yeah, but in a in a in a

1191
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: hole that's at like kid level.

1192
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 2: Maybe she was hiding because On looks at them like

1193
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 2: he's never seen a gun in his life, and Bruce's like, here,

1194
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 2: pick your favorite, this is my Like get.

1195
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: A backbone, Jesus cried, tighten your belt.

1196
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 2: She was coming out shooting like she just she that.

1197
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 2: I actually have to say that was like a It

1198
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 2: really made the inevitable spoiler deaths in the Future in

1199
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 2: the future slash bars more heartbreaking because you it's not

1200
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 2: just like, oh that he was randomly there. It's like

1201
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: they cared so much about him, and they they like,

1202
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 2: now I've seen.

1203
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: How they're fighters.

1204
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I see how Buru is. I'm like, I

1205
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 2: don't think they ever that's a different body. Yeah they whatever.

1206
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: Happened back at Casawett in a New Hope, I will

1207
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: guarantee you now after seeing this that brew has had

1208
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: a blaster like in her belt. Like okay Ley and

1209
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: Ben back on the ship, they have a heartfelt uh

1210
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,439
Speaker 1: moment parting here with tears welling and Ben's eyes. He promises, listen,

1211
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna return. Don't worry about it. That's a long shot,

1212
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: let's be clear about that. But he does promise it.

1213
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 2: Uh.

1214
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: Then Ben has a private moment to himself where he

1215
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: tries once again to get through to Qui Gon master

1216
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: Qui Gon through the Force cell phone. He says, I

1217
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: have to face a master. Whether he dies or I

1218
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: do this ends today. Now stop here. Let's just put

1219
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: a pin in that statement. Whether he dies or I

1220
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: do this ends today. I love the sentiment, but I

1221
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: think the accuracy is a little bit off.

1222
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 2: But we can you that's the question.

1223
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: We will talk about that in all good time. Qui Gon,

1224
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: of course, does not appear, so Obi has to do

1225
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: this alone. Broken Waylay's Obi is Obi is trying to leave.

1226
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: He's like, come on, like, let's stay with us, Let's

1227
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:18,959
Speaker 1: try and fight it out. But Obi's like, no, I can't.

1228
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 1: But you Roken, listen, you're fighting whatever it is that

1229
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: you have started here, keep fighting because this right here,

1230
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: this is the start of something. We don't know what

1231
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: it is, but it's the start of some It's the rebellion.

1232
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 2: Ben. I want to see it. I want to see that.

1233
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 2: I want to see the Broken and Emphis Nest like show,

1234
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 2: like I want to see that. That's that? Please give

1235
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 2: me the early days of the Rebellion show, I would

1236
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 2: love to see it.

1237
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: As expected, Vader does peel off to follow Ben, despite

1238
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: a little bit of persnicketyness from the Grand Inquisitor, who's like,

1239
01:07:54,960 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: but we're supposed to be following the ships. Surely come

1240
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: out risk the missions who follow one man? Can we?

1241
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 1: And uh Darth Vader is like, who.

1242
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 2: The fuck are you? Yes? Any other time? Do I

1243
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 2: know you? What you well?

1244
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 1: What do you think that you have some kind of

1245
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 1: pull here? Yes, we are fucking following Obi Wan Kobe

1246
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: and then they they steer up. If you watch the

1247
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: Grade Inquisitor and like the backer kind of like slightly,

1248
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: it's a two shot with Vader, the Great Inquistor, and

1249
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: he gives this like the sticks. He juts his bottom

1250
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: blip out like okay, but he's like, clearly not gonna

1251
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: say anything. Fucking force choked back at casawett On Tattooine,

1252
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: Lars and Beru are like, Luke, here's what's up. Stay here,

1253
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: but if she goes sideways, then run, but don't run now,

1254
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:00,799
Speaker 1: run later only if we lose. Uh. Luke is very courageous,

1255
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: of course, but absolutely too young. And let's face it,

1256
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: he's a ten year old boy, meaning not the he's

1257
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 1: not the sharpest out there.

1258
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: Is not would like you're mad, give me a gun

1259
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:19,719
Speaker 2: of guns.

1260
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, put me in the vent and let me fix something,

1261
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: and looks like yeah, absolutely, Actually there's small choice, and

1262
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: you know, like and this that rings true because ten

1263
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: year old boys verse ten year old girls. The girls

1264
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: are going to be smarter. Luke is not.

1265
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,839
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna have an not about.

1266
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 1: It right now. Uh. And just then the perimeter alarms

1267
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: go off, and that means Revea's here back with Ben.

1268
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: He lands on some desolate planet. Vader follows lands in

1269
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: his ship and we get a big old lightsaber fight

1270
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: that is awesome and great master and former student are

1271
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: at the tops of their games. Ben's reconnection with the Force,

1272
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 1: his recommitment to his Jedi training is evident, and Darth

1273
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: is I think, as fast as we've ever seen live action.

1274
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: Fast is the word.

1275
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 1: For sure.

1276
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,719
Speaker 2: We've we've missed him like that, and live action.

1277
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: We've never seen him. He's still brutal. We saw him

1278
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 1: in Rogue One be very brutal, but he was still

1279
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: kind of like extremely powerful and I don't want to

1280
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:26,799
Speaker 1: say lumbering, but but he's.

1281
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 2: Always had that Frankenstein In the classics, he had that

1282
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 2: Frankenstein elements. He'd been chopped up, but now we know

1283
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 2: is not actually that much of a damage, so you

1284
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 2: can just be speeding around, right.

1285
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 1: He is liquid fast here and it is a thing

1286
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,959
Speaker 1: to be cold. Back on Tatoen, a big old shootout

1287
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 1: has popped off. Revea is holding her own despite the

1288
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 1: gut wound, as we mentioned. But here I have to

1289
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:56,440
Speaker 1: say again, inquisitors, spin tech. We talked about it previously.

1290
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 1: What is it cool? Doesn't do looks cool, doesn't do nothing.

1291
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: It does one thing kind of well, which is it

1292
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: parries blaster bolts where you don't actually have to like,

1293
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, maneuver your lightsaber to the blaster shot. You

1294
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 1: just have to point the spin in the put that

1295
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: in between you and the person shooting blasters at you,

1296
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,480
Speaker 1: and you can just like parry everything. And absolutely maddeningly

1297
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: fucking Reva does not break out the spin tech. I

1298
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: don't know why she's getting shot at and does not

1299
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: break out the spinar.

1300
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 2: So you know what I think Soul's right. Actually I

1301
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 2: didn't realize that Vedas snapped it in half.

1302
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but wouldn't it still work if you have the

1303
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 1: one side, if you have the handle.

1304
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,839
Speaker 2: Sit spin right, Yeah.

1305
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,879
Speaker 1: It should still spin because the Grand Inquisitor in Rebels

1306
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 1: still spins it with just that.

1307
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 2: That's true.

1308
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: You know what, just the handle.

1309
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 2: This is the real truth. We'll get to this. This

1310
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 2: is a This is one of the the many fun

1311
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 2: to pick upart like moments.

1312
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: Love to do it.

1313
01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 2: It's like, it's like, how can you continue the B

1314
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 2: movie sci fi fun of Star Wars and have the

1315
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 2: narrative tropes and loopholes that are often used to allow

1316
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 2: things to happen. How do they still work in a

1317
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 2: prestige space. I think the answer is with this show's

1318
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,640
Speaker 2: proven is like for some people it's fine, and for

1319
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 2: other people they're like, what is going on? We just

1320
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 2: like it, though, We're just like, just use the spin pag.

1321
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 2: It looks cral, but use.

1322
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: The fucking spinach. That's what it's more. Back on this

1323
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: anonymous battle planet of Pointy Rocks, the fight continues and

1324
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 1: it is. It is crazy, it's rama. It's easily among

1325
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 1: the best lightsaber duelves we've seen in life.

1326
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then one of the longest they are sabering,

1327
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 2: very sab.

1328
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: It's like a third of the episode they're just fighting.

1329
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: Vader is talking shit.

1330
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 2: Uh.

1331
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: We know that Ben's reconnection with the Force is nearly

1332
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: complete because he tries to drop a boulder on Darth Vader.

1333
01:12:54,040 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: Vader says, your strength has returned, but the weakness remains.

1334
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 1: Oh bird, big bird from Darth Vader. Vader then force

1335
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: splits the ground, which is in trauma, touches the ground,

1336
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: use the force to create a huge crack in the earth,

1337
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: which swallows up Ben into a huge crater. He falls down,

1338
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: like fifteen feet down into this huge crater, and then

1339
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: Darth is like, you're done, buddy, I'm about to fucking

1340
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: bury you. And then he just hurls tons and tons

1341
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 1: and tons of rocks on top of ben Kenobe, talks

1342
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: his ship and then walks away. Now listen, I personally think,

1343
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: Darth Vader, you gotta finish what you start. You gotta

1344
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: make sure this ben Kenobe. You didn't come all this

1345
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: fucking way fight with your entire inquisitor core, stab one

1346
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: of your inquisitors and fucking get dirty looks from the

1347
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: Grand Inquisitor to come, just to come all the way

1348
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 1: he and not check if Ben is dead. But I

1349
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: get it. There's a lot of rocks down there, and

1350
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: he walks away. Okay, fine, Ben.

1351
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,600
Speaker 2: And Anakin, Yeah, they both have this problem. Now. Is

1352
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 2: the problem truly born of the fact that they both

1353
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 2: have to survive for the original trilogy? That is part

1354
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 2: of it. But it is hard to watch them both

1355
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 2: consistently just not kill each other. At least I think

1356
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 2: you can at least like think something. I like, we'll

1357
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 2: get to it with what happens in a minute, but like,

1358
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 2: this is definitely one of those ones where it's like

1359
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 2: in my shipping head canon, I'm like, they can't kill

1360
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 2: each other because they.

1361
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: Love each other.

1362
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: But also I'm like, but you're both dumb.

1363
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:40,719
Speaker 1: I Lease that works, You're right for Darth. That works

1364
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: for me, because what do we know about Darth right

1365
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: from the comics, from the movies, everything else. He's you know,

1366
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 1: he's when he meditates, He's in this world of of

1367
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: red syth, fire and pain, with those little blue force

1368
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: light butterflies flying around him. And I think that this

1369
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: is I buy this as a manifestation of that little

1370
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:05,919
Speaker 1: pin prick prick of light inside.

1371
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:06,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can't.

1372
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: He can't do it. He's done everything that should kill

1373
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 1: Obi Wan. But when it comes to like actually cutting

1374
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,640
Speaker 1: off his fucking head with the light series, he just

1375
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: can't do it right now.

1376
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 2: I think that's because like he can he can commit

1377
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 2: like faceless genocide, but when it actually comes to like

1378
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 2: standing down one person who has harmed him, he's terrible

1379
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 2: at that. He can't do it. Those personal emotional conflict

1380
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 2: is too real.

1381
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: He can't do it right now. Back on tattooy and

1382
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: Reva knocks out Lars, knocks out Paru, and flushes Luke

1383
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 1: from his hiding place, and Skygui Junior goes off running

1384
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: into the night desert back on a battle planet, fragments

1385
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 1: of memories, snippets of conversations running through Ben's mind. He

1386
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: ultimately focuses on a picture of Leah and his responsibilities

1387
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: towards her and towards Luke, and he finds the strength

1388
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: to free himself. Boom, the fucking rocks go flying amazing.

1389
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 1: He easily catches up to Darth Vader, who was not

1390
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 1: in any kind of rush to get back, just a

1391
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 1: casual walk back to the show. You think he'd be like, Okay,

1392
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:18,919
Speaker 1: job done, let me high tail it back to the shuttle,

1393
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,600
Speaker 1: so maybe we can catch Broken in the rest, like

1394
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 1: maybe there's a shot we get him. But he is

1395
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 1: just like like just casually walking back, like ah, that

1396
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: was let me take in the air. That was wonderful.

1397
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,839
Speaker 1: But then he feels Ben behind him and he turns

1398
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: and then the fight is back. The fight is on,

1399
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: and it is Ben now who is getting the best

1400
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:44,759
Speaker 1: of Vader. He in an amazing display of strengths for strengths,

1401
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: he like force throws Darth back into a boulder and

1402
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: then raises his hands and throws every rock in the

1403
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 1: neighborhood at Darth Vader, so many huge like rocks the

1404
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: side eyes of like Honda accords off legit huge fucking rocks,

1405
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: and and Darth is taking many of these on his

1406
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: bionic arms, so he's able to kind of fight through

1407
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 1: and the duel. He fights through the rocks, and then

1408
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: a duel continues. Boom. We go back to Tattooing, where

1409
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: Riva catches up with Luke and the ravine young Skywalker

1410
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: falls unconscious. This gives Reva a free shot at Luke,

1411
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: and here it is the moment she's been waiting, where

1412
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 1: this is it? She's been Yes, she wanted to get

1413
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 1: Lea as a way to get Obi Wan, as a

1414
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 1: way to get closer to Darth Vader, as a way

1415
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 1: to kill him. But this is good enough, This is

1416
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: pretty good, and here it is. But she can't. She

1417
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 1: can't do it. Of course she can't do it. She

1418
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: images of Order sixty six and Anakin Skywalker on that

1419
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: night of fear and pain, and her own fear, seeing

1420
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: herself now as the image of murder, which has so

1421
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 1: impact in her mind, and she just can't do it.

1422
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 1: Back on the battle planet, Ben is now beating the

1423
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:09,799
Speaker 1: fucking breaks off Darth Vader, who, it must be said,

1424
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: I love my guid. Listen, I don't love him, but

1425
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm intimidated and respectfully appreciative of how bad ass Darvader is.

1426
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 1: He kind of gets his ass kicked a lot, and

1427
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: here he is getting his absolute butt kicked. Obi Wan

1428
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 1: is smashing the fucking chest buttons on his armor now

1429
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: Almo as sudden, the ragged breathing is there, and then

1430
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: he boom slices down on the helmet. The helmet is

1431
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,839
Speaker 1: cut open and you could see not a purple potato

1432
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 1: head in that horrific gaze through the helmet, and you

1433
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 1: can't help but think if you've seen it, of the

1434
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: moment and rebels. When Ahsoka does something very similar years later,

1435
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: of course, and Ben is horrified. That's this vision of

1436
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 1: what his friend has become, his friend and brother Anakin's gone,

1437
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: Darth says, I am what remains now. Ben's eyes filled

1438
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 1: with tears. He is, of course, weighed down by guilt

1439
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 1: and shame and the ways that he has failed his

1440
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: friend and brother. Now look what stands before him, and

1441
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 1: he apologizes, but Darth is like, don't know, don't apologize

1442
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 1: because you didn't do this. I am the person who

1443
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: killed Anakin Skywalker me Darth Vader. I killed him off.

1444
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 2: Now.

1445
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 1: Of course, much later in a New Hope, this is

1446
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: exactly what Ben will say to Darth's son Luke. He

1447
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: will say, Darth Vader killed your father. And this is

1448
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: very smart and very powerful and a really great way

1449
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: to underline what is one of the early like hey,

1450
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: wait a minute moments in Star Wars where you know

1451
01:19:55,439 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 1: where you wait a minute, and where you find out

1452
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 1: that okay, Ben knew that Darth was Luke's father, but

1453
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: then said that so this is one of those this

1454
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: is a great way to kind of.

1455
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 2: Get the context moments that building and really.

1456
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 1: Nicely really hit for me. So Ben has beat a

1457
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 1: ship out of Darth Vader. His he's got like cuts

1458
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 1: on his back, His back is like smoking, His helmet

1459
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:26,719
Speaker 1: is all smashed up. He's fucking got an asthma attack

1460
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 1: right now because his breathing apparatus is smashed. And Ben

1461
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,719
Speaker 1: looks at this person, who is at this point easily

1462
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: a mass murderer, having done numerous horrible things at the

1463
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 1: head of the Intorious Cadre. He's done. He's done a lot,

1464
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of bad ship in service of

1465
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 1: the Emperor. And Ben looks at him and is like, okay,

1466
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: I'll see I'm gonna leave by.

1467
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 2: Man, my friend's gone. And I'm like, your friend's gone.

1468
01:20:58,479 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 2: That means you can kill him, you know.

1469
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: Man, I gotta I gotta say I get it. I

1470
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: do get it. At the same time, man, Ben is

1471
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 1: lucky that nobody ever found out about this shit, you.

1472
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 4: Know what I mean?

1473
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: Like, and this is this brings me back to the

1474
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 1: thing we were talking about last week with forgiveness and

1475
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 1: how do you how do you talk about characters who

1476
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 1: are given or redemp who are redeemed in the story,

1477
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 1: but also kill millions, if not billions of people. Imagine

1478
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 1: yourself as a rank and file soldier in the Rebel Alliance,

1479
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: right you. Your family has been oppressed and perhaps murdered

1480
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: by the Imperials, by Darth Vader, by the Imperial forces,

1481
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: by Emperor Palpatine, and you want nothing more than to

1482
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: avenge them and free the galaxy. And then you find

1483
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: out that the Jedi has been doing Jedi shit again

1484
01:21:54,920 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 1: like that, you find out that the Jedis, while a

1485
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: terrible war crime has been committed against them, they're leading figures.

1486
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 1: Ben Kenobi who survived Ard sixty six and Luke even

1487
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 1: let mass murdering Sith war criminals kind of walk away.

1488
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: They let it happen.

1489
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 2: It's because it's family drama. Like that, This is the problem.

1490
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 1: It is family drama.

1491
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 2: They're bad at.

1492
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: But if you're if you're a rank and file soldier,

1493
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 1: I would be pissed. You'd be like, hold on, we

1494
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 1: lost Aldurant so that you could let Darth Vader walk away.

1495
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: You let me start walk away.

1496
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 2: Can you think about how disrespectful, that is to lay

1497
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 2: up like the person you're allegedly doing all of this for.

1498
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 2: Like I understand that in this moment right like the

1499
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 2: notion is still like that is their father, and we

1500
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 2: see him kind of bring up and I understand his quandary,

1501
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:55,480
Speaker 2: but also he should have just chopped off his head off.

1502
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: End it for the billions who will die on all.

1503
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 1: And I get it, you know, I'm off Tart can

1504
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: pull the trigger. I get it. Yeah, we know, But

1505
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 1: like Darth Vader was right there, he was standing next

1506
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 1: to it, you know, like.

1507
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 2: They were trying to get information out of Lea, who's

1508
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 2: just the too much of a real g So that

1509
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 2: never happened, like it was there all to blame.

1510
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 1: And then also I gotta say, Ben, you're lucky nobody

1511
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: knows about it.

1512
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 2: You're lucky because also then think about this, then it's

1513
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 2: not just those people, it's like the five planets that

1514
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 2: Kylo remblows up because he's by old granddaddy. I have

1515
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 2: to say I did think about Kylo a lot of

1516
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 2: this episode. I was thinking about how happy he would

1517
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 2: be if he knew that Darth Vader's helmet got smashed.

1518
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:34,799
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, he would have been so happy.

1519
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 2: He'll never know then though, Emo, but he would have

1520
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:37,799
Speaker 2: been so happy.

1521
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: Back on tattooing, uh Ben is en route, he gets

1522
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: a force a warning that Luke's life is in imminent danger.

1523
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 1: This is the moment when Reava is standing above him

1524
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: and he arrives back on tattooing, he finds Laras and

1525
01:23:54,840 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 1: Brew anxiously calling out into the into the desert sands, Luke, Luke, Luke,

1526
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: and downa is breaking. Ben is like, I'm going to

1527
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 1: go run into the dune sea and look for her.

1528
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 1: But then Reva appears and she's carrying Luke, and she says, listen,

1529
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for all the child torture, kidnapping, the off

1530
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 1: screen but probable murders, the kidnapping, the evil stuff, the

1531
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 1: recent home invasion cunning, which, by the way, could have

1532
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,759
Speaker 1: easily resulted in Lars and Beru's death. I'm very sorry

1533
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 1: that I had faded her home just moments ago. Plus

1534
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:37,680
Speaker 1: the concussion and lifelong trauma that I likely inflicted on

1535
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:41,679
Speaker 1: Luke by chasing him into the dune sea, threatening his life.

1536
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: My bad. It was all part of a plan to

1537
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 1: avenge my fellow younglings and I couldn't go through with it.

1538
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,879
Speaker 1: And then it's a weird note here where she's actually

1539
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 1: devastated that she couldn't go through with it, Like she

1540
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 1: cried like I couldn't do it.

1541
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 2: Also like I want to know. I want to know, liked,

1542
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 2: did she the connection together that they are Anakin's kids

1543
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 2: and that's why she wanted to do it, because otherwise

1544
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know. I think she knows that

1545
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:09,959
Speaker 2: there's a connection.

1546
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: She knows that they're important somehow, but she doesn't know how. Yeah. Uh.

1547
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 1: Then then tells Reva, don't worry about it. Uh, this

1548
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 1: just kill some more people, ChIL, you actually honored the

1549
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 1: memory of your fellow young lings by not becoming like Darth.

1550
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: And she says what I think is is and what

1551
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 1: I think is a very a line that really carries

1552
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 1: a lot of weight. She says, have I become like him? Now?

1553
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: The answer is almost, because like, you did do a

1554
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 1: lot of bed you did do a lot of bad shiit.

1555
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 1: But but Ben is like, no, you're you did not.

1556
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 2: In that moment, he sees he knows the right thing

1557
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 2: to say to put her on the right, which is

1558
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 2: like you have a chance here because really she was

1559
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 2: hunting down Jedi. She was hunting down young wings as

1560
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 2: an inquisitor. Luckily they're bad at it, so she probably

1561
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 2: didn't find too many. But I do like that in

1562
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 2: that moment, Ben finally makes the right choice and he's like,

1563
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 2: it's okay, like you from now on, you know, like

1564
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 2: I would like to know what's gonna happen next with Reva,

1565
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 2: you know, I would like to see see she gives

1566
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 2: up her she gives up her inquisitorious spin Tech three

1567
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 2: thousand lightsaber, and she knows. She's like, this is Jeffrey

1568
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 2: and now here.

1569
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:22,759
Speaker 1: Again is another Here again is another Jedi bullshit moment

1570
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 1: where I'll just say it's a good thing that the

1571
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 1: rest of the Rebel Alliance never finds out that fucking

1572
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 1: Ben Kenobi let a former inquisitorious walk, because that's.

1573
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,879
Speaker 2: The reason they were all running away with that children.

1574
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: I gotta say, if it was me, I'd be like, listen,

1575
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 1: you did the right thing, kudos to you. Hey, what's

1576
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 1: that over there? And let's just put an end to this.

1577
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,480
Speaker 1: Remember's wife was stolen.

1578
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 2: By the Inquisitorious and potentially turned into one like.

1579
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: Can see somebody face justice just once. That's the time

1580
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 1: asking one time, can someone pay the price for the many, many,

1581
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 1: many crimes that have occurred across the gallery. That's all

1582
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 1: I'm asking.

1583
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 2: The sad thing I think is that you raised such

1584
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 2: a good point about last week. The sad thing is

1585
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 2: when we actually look at the history of Star Wars,

1586
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 2: the people who often end up paying the price are

1587
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 2: people who they r people who were bad, who actually

1588
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 2: decided to do the right thing, and then they end

1589
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:24,799
Speaker 2: up the hying tall you know, the kind of tragic

1590
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 2: like people who turn their back on the Empire. And

1591
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 2: it's like, for once, I'd just like to see a

1592
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 2: space Nazi die.

1593
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 1: I would love to see that. But like you know,

1594
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 1: it's always you know, Admiral Radus, the both and Spies,

1595
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 1: jin Urso, the heroes of Radus, all the rest. Those

1596
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 1: are the people that pay the ultimate price, that face

1597
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 1: down evil and put their lives up, lives up and

1598
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: say I will pay the price or justice in the galaxy.

1599
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:58,719
Speaker 1: And unfortunately it's a lot of these the very powerful figures,

1600
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 1: the Jedi, et cetera, who just they let their fellow

1601
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: powerful people get away with it.

1602
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 2: Isn't that real? Isn't that it's sadly real.

1603
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 1: It's very sadly real. Back at Fortress, Vader Darth is

1604
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 1: back in some some fresh you got some fresh armor.

1605
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 1: At the closet, he's facetiming with Palpatine, and Darth is

1606
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 1: a little hot. He's coming a little hot. He's like,

1607
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 1: we got the probes out, I'm shirt scouring the fucking gollons.

1608
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 1: We're gonna find this guy. He's not gonna escape us.

1609
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna get him. And then Palpatine's like, hey, can

1610
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 1: I just ask her you good? Like you're coming in

1611
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:34,640
Speaker 1: a little hot and it's not feeling.

1612
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 2: A bit distracted from the whole, like dark side mission.

1613
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 1: Like Goda, wonder are you? Is your closeness to this

1614
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 1: weakening you a little bit? And then Darth is like, uh,

1615
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 1: let me just assure you, Palpi, Emperor Palpatine, I serve

1616
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 1: only you. And then with just the right drizzling of

1617
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 1: iron my master, the way he puts my master on it,

1618
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 1: it's delivery. You gotta be careful with Palpatine because one

1619
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 1: of these days he's gonna pick up on it, because

1620
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 1: that in and of itself is just that hint of

1621
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 1: rebellion against him.

1622
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 2: I also think it's a really good moment where it's

1623
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 2: like Palpatine's probably like, oh shit, like can I be

1624
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 2: used to be his master? Look at how obsessed he

1625
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 2: is with getting him And now it's like now I'm

1626
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 2: his master, Like this is probably not gonna end well

1627
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 2: for me.

1628
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. On alder On, which is, by the way, a

1629
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 1: beautiful planet. All right. All of all, we get this

1630
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 1: wonderful moment of Leah getting dressed in the classic Princess

1631
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 1: Leah soldier gear but smaller sized, tiny baby's all white,

1632
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 1: all white gear with the white cloak and the white

1633
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 1: jacket and a little leather gun holster. And she's doing

1634
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:00,639
Speaker 1: her hair in the iconic leya braid buns. And then

1635
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:03,679
Speaker 1: Ben arrives much to lay is to light. She thinks

1636
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 1: it's she's like talking to uh to bail and she's like,

1637
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 1: who's this Is this gonna be cousins. He's like, not yet.

1638
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 1: And Ben gets off the ship and he brought Lola.

1639
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 1: Now I have notes, Uh, Leyah, I get it because

1640
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:23,560
Speaker 1: you're ten, but you gotta fucking come clean about exactly

1641
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 1: what Lola's roll Jabim got lied Like it's a little

1642
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 1: fucked up that you're not that, You're not like, she's fine.

1643
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 2: The Red Eye.

1644
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 1: She'd be like, I get it because she's a kid again,

1645
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 1: but it's just a she's not like. So, by the way,

1646
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 1: the way the Empire hacked into jabim securities and it

1647
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 1: was Lola, it was fucking Lola. That's also the way

1648
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 1: they tracked this. Just you should does not mention it,

1649
01:30:56,160 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 1: uh bail bags of money or Ghana is talking to

1650
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 1: Ben and he is he is fearful of the Empire.

1651
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: He's like, listen, the Empire is getting bolder. They are

1652
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:09,759
Speaker 1: getting stronger. They they are reaching out into the galaxy

1653
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 1: and fucking with the internal politics of various planets. I'm

1654
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,640
Speaker 1: scared of them. Ben is like, I get it. It

1655
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:17,720
Speaker 1: is a scary time. But if you need me, you

1656
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 1: know where to find me. Then Leah is like, Ben,

1657
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 1: I think you need to go take a nap, because

1658
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: she's like, you are. Let me tell you, if you

1659
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 1: don't get some sleep, you're gonna look like fucking stir a.

1660
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:37,919
Speaker 2: He did not take the advice reader spoiler, take the advice.

1661
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna look super old. Yeah. So then he he

1662
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 1: tells Leah and what is a really touching a bit

1663
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 1: of dialogue here. He's like, listen, you got these different

1664
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 1: traits from your mother and father. You know your mother

1665
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 1: is discerning and your father is courageous. I would have,

1666
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 1: by the way, said that her mother also fearless, also

1667
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 1: very courageous, but that's okay. Ben, of course, does not

1668
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 1: tell Leah here who exactly her parents are. He's like,

1669
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 1: you got all these traits from them, and so you're

1670
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 1: this perfect combination of them, and I wish I could

1671
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 1: tell you more about who they are, but I can't.

1672
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 1: And then Leah says, it's okay, you don't have to,

1673
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:25,560
Speaker 1: which I gotta say. If it was me, I'd be like, motherfucker,

1674
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:25,960
Speaker 1: tell me.

1675
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:26,760
Speaker 2: Just tell me who they are.

1676
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 1: Does tell me who they are?

1677
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 2: Was one of them? That guy that was chasing us,

1678
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 2: dressed that light say about is he gonna destroy my

1679
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 2: planet in ten years? Please give me a head?

1680
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: Did you? And by the way, did you not finish

1681
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 1: him off so he can con digitulately wreck my homeworld

1682
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: in ten years?

1683
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 2: And I could have told mao. Lokane could have been like,

1684
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 2: you don't need to worry about the Empire killed.

1685
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 1: Dolf Veda and yet ps my fault, your your entire

1686
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 1: planet got waxed in ten years. Anyway, they agree to

1687
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 1: keep their friendship top secret. Back on tattooing, Ben is

1688
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,600
Speaker 1: back in his cave. He has packed it up. He

1689
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:04,879
Speaker 1: is moving somewhere deeper into the dune sea we we presume,

1690
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 1: maybe someplace where he can more easily keep an eye

1691
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 1: on Luke from Afar. He puts on some normal clothes

1692
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: non finally, and then he goes to Kasa wet for

1693
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 1: Uh for a meeting with Lars. And by the way,

1694
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 1: my guy Obi wan Kenobi. This guy loves nothing better

1695
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 1: than to ride a four legged alien. This, this is

1696
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: like his king. He always we had alien to ride on,

1697
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 1: loves to do this. Where was he during Order sixty

1698
01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 1: six riding a fucking iguana.

1699
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 2: When wesked him? I would have loved riding a giant.

1700
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 2: Where were you?

1701
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:50,439
Speaker 1: Why did you help us? I was riding iguana? Sorry, yeah, sorry,

1702
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:51,680
Speaker 1: I know.

1703
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 2: This is one of those questions that like people like

1704
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 2: us talk about all the time, and it's one of

1705
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 2: the funniest things. It's kind of like you can talk

1706
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 2: about it with Pokemon or Flintstones, Star Wars watching off

1707
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 2: Which aliens can you ride? Which aliens are sentient right,

1708
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 2: and would be like in the Galactic Senate, and which

1709
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 2: ones do you decide you're just gonna ride? It's like

1710
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 2: it's it's the ultimate logic question of Star Wars or

1711
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 2: any of these places.

1712
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 1: So Ben has a conversation with his brother question mark Lars,

1713
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:26,679
Speaker 1: and Ben admits, Lars, you're right, Luke needs a regular

1714
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:30,600
Speaker 1: for Tattooine childhood. He just needs to grow up the

1715
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 1: regular kid. He doesn't need to be hanging around. I

1716
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:35,680
Speaker 1: promise to steer clear, but of course he's gonna keep

1717
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 1: a watchful eye. He knows that Lars and Beru more

1718
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 1: brew than Lars, but he knows they can handle they

1719
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 1: keeping him safe. Then Lars in a wonderful surprise, like

1720
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 1: truly a wonderful I don't know how this I haven't

1721
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 1: fully processed how this works canonically, but this is this

1722
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:00,639
Speaker 1: was a wonderful moment. He says, hey, do you want

1723
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:04,679
Speaker 1: to you want to talk to Luke and Ben says yes,

1724
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 1: So he goes over. He meets the young man and

1725
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: then rides off into the Duneca. On the way to

1726
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:16,639
Speaker 1: the ravine across the Dune sea, he runs into Master

1727
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:21,679
Speaker 1: Qui Gon freaking Finally and he's like, hey, I've been

1728
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 1: trying to reach you all this time, what're the what's up?

1729
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 1: And Qui Gon's like, yeah, but you weren't ready for it. Sorry,

1730
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 1: I've been watching all this stuff happen and you just

1731
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 1: weren't ready to hear from me yet. That's the way

1732
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 1: I roll. I'm Qui gon Jin. I've always been a

1733
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 1: little bit of a maverick, a little bit of a rogue,

1734
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 1: and that's how I do things. I'm showing up much

1735
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 1: later than you expect. Hey, and by the way, you

1736
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 1: have a lot of things to do so and and

1737
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 1: miles to go before you sleep, so let's get to it.

1738
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 2: And they just go off like a funny off they walk.

1739
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 1: Together, and that is That has been the end the

1740
01:35:55,960 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 1: event finale. Will we Want Canoe? And I quite enjoyed it.

1741
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 1: I quite enjoyed your thoughts.

1742
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 2: I thought it's very fun. I think I enjoy it

1743
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 2: like I don't feel like it, you know what, I guess,

1744
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 2: especially as we were going through the recap. The thing

1745
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 2: that I really love about this that I think they

1746
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 2: did very smartly. And hey, maybe it's a bit cynical, right,

1747
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:21,679
Speaker 2: but I think it works for the most part. I

1748
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 2: liked how much context they built into the original trilogy,

1749
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 2: Like when I was thinking about it, like, here's why

1750
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 2: Obi Wan didn't really get involved with Luke. One of

1751
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 2: the big questions we've always had, you know, that moment

1752
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 2: where he says to Bail, like you know where I'll

1753
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:40,760
Speaker 2: be if you need me, and then you know him

1754
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:42,679
Speaker 2: and lea kind of keeping it a secret but still

1755
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:45,439
Speaker 2: having that connection. Like that stuff worked really really well

1756
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 2: for me. I don't necessarily think I think this show

1757
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 2: started off really really strong, and I don't necessarily think

1758
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:55,560
Speaker 2: that this is in the best of the best episodes

1759
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 2: from the season, but I had a really fun time

1760
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 2: watching it. I think it fell into a lot of

1761
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 2: the the Star Wars tropes of like why didn't you

1762
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 2: just do this? But that's how it's always been. That's

1763
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:14,680
Speaker 2: always been those kind of pulpy this is. You're not

1764
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 2: watching this for like a puzzle box mystery. You're watching

1765
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 2: it because you want to see Brupule out like a

1766
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:23,600
Speaker 2: blaster and you want to see someone have like a

1767
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,599
Speaker 2: ten minute long light saber fight. And I didn't know

1768
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 2: this was something that I would ever get to experience,

1769
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 2: But you want to see baby Layer choosing her own clothes,

1770
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 2: you know, get throwing away the older on garms and

1771
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 2: just like putting on her own, her own little style.

1772
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 2: So I I just thought I was really lovely. I

1773
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:42,759
Speaker 2: think it's very fan service, but I am also a fan,

1774
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:43,880
Speaker 2: so I'm always.

1775
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:49,160
Speaker 5: Like you, I always just like people are like it's

1776
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 5: fan service. I'm like, I'll tell you it nine times

1777
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:55,719
Speaker 5: out of ten, I'm like, yeah, it's like, yeah, cool,

1778
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:57,680
Speaker 5: I want to see Opyone.

1779
01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 2: And Anakin have a fight.

1780
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 1: That's last the entire third act. I here's what I

1781
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 1: really liked about this series, and it's I think I

1782
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:12,680
Speaker 1: think there's a through line here about from my perspective,

1783
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 1: in my opinion, what I think is some of the

1784
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 1: strongest Star Wars material, and it is that pre Rebel

1785
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 1: alliance into a New Hope era that was so wonderfully

1786
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:28,559
Speaker 1: explored in Rebels, which again is some of the best

1787
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 1: Star Wars out there, that is absolutely incredibly executed in

1788
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:38,679
Speaker 1: Rogue One, which again is probably the best Star Wars

1789
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 1: movie and only gets better and richer the more you

1790
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:44,720
Speaker 1: watch it. With time, it gets better and better, and

1791
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 1: here again we're seeing the stirrings of this nascent Rebel

1792
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:53,519
Speaker 1: alliance and there's no name for it yet. It's just

1793
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 1: people who have decided enough's enough. We're going to help people,

1794
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 1: no matter what that means. If that puts us on

1795
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,280
Speaker 1: the other side of the law, then the law is unjust,

1796
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 1: and we're gonna fight, We're gonna protect people, We're gonna

1797
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 1: do good. It's the same thing with what I thought

1798
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 1: were some of the most interesting moments in Solo, a

1799
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:17,040
Speaker 1: Star Wars story with Anatas as you mentioned, just I

1800
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:20,519
Speaker 1: love that stuff so much. I think this is such

1801
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 1: a rich period of time, and seeing how I loved

1802
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 1: focusing on Obi Wan, and I think Evan McGregor, as

1803
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 1: we've said many times, just like nails it so many

1804
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 1: fucking ways. The tears in his eyes, the way everything,

1805
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 1: all of his failures come crashing down you can read

1806
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:42,679
Speaker 1: it on him is great. But like meeting Broken, meeting

1807
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:46,639
Speaker 1: Sully exactly the path, seeing how all of this stuff

1808
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 1: comes together feels so rich to me, and tier word

1809
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 1: like providing that context of a family drama, a friendship drama,

1810
01:39:55,240 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 1: all these like mini conflicts within the larger firmament of

1811
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 1: this galactic rebellion that is just beginning to stir. You know,

1812
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 1: I've always that's the stuff that I really like. This

1813
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:14,639
Speaker 1: is yeah, Clone Wars. Why I like Rebels and why

1814
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 1: what I loved about Obi.

1815
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:20,559
Speaker 2: Wan I would love to see, Like I would love

1816
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:22,640
Speaker 2: to see a show just called the Rebellion. Doesn't need

1817
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 2: to be called Rebels. We have Rebels. Rebels is brilliant,

1818
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 2: like you said, to some of the best style definitely

1819
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 2: has one of my favorite finales of all time, which

1820
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 2: I always say, but like, I would love to see

1821
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 2: that explode more. I would love to see a show

1822
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:38,320
Speaker 2: about how rebellions really begin. I would love to know

1823
01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:40,679
Speaker 2: more about Broken and Sully. I would love to see

1824
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:45,679
Speaker 2: Empher's nest. I love that notion of it's the ultimate question,

1825
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 2: you know, what is a terrorist? What is a freedom fighter?

1826
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 2: Like those are the questions that are at the heart

1827
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:55,680
Speaker 2: of Star Wars. And I think that that we are

1828
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:58,120
Speaker 2: a lot of people what we've always said, right, and

1829
01:40:58,160 --> 01:40:59,720
Speaker 2: they do this in the books, but a lot of

1830
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:02,160
Speaker 2: fans we've always said, like we want to see new characters.

1831
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:05,160
Speaker 2: Now Taiker is talking about how his that's what he's

1832
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 2: going to do with his Star Wars movie and stuff.

1833
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 2: I would love to see the shows commit to that.

1834
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:13,879
Speaker 2: I would love and we you know, the man Glorian,

1835
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:16,840
Speaker 2: we got it. We get new versions, but like I

1836
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 2: want to see the people. I want to see the

1837
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:22,080
Speaker 2: soldiers who have to fight. I want to see I

1838
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:25,120
Speaker 2: would watch a show about the you know, Stormtroopers or

1839
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:27,840
Speaker 2: the First Order Troopers or the Clone Troopers, Like I

1840
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:29,640
Speaker 2: want to know about the people who have to live this,

1841
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:35,800
Speaker 2: who are not the big headline is so brilliant.

1842
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:40,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree, and that is to your point.

1843
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 1: It's a big galaxy and there's just a lot of space.

1844
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 2: That's how you know, we're way here to see it.

1845
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:51,639
Speaker 1: Like what is Sagarira up to in these years seating

1846
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:54,760
Speaker 1: Rogue one when he is you know, one of the

1847
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 1: few people to really see what the empire is?

1848
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, him, you know, you know you could have him

1849
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:04,320
Speaker 2: when he was still in cahoots with the rebellion, you know,

1850
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:06,759
Speaker 2: when he thought that working alongside them was right before

1851
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:10,800
Speaker 2: those before those arguments you know, changed. And I think

1852
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:14,400
Speaker 2: that there is an exploration in you know, in the

1853
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:18,839
Speaker 2: wider genre space, Like definitely obviously things like Umbrella Academy

1854
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:20,559
Speaker 2: have been doing it for a long time. Who's a hero,

1855
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:22,599
Speaker 2: Who's a villain, But that seems to be coming more

1856
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:24,680
Speaker 2: to the forefront. In Marvel, we talked about it with

1857
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 2: this idea of these morally gray heroes, and that is

1858
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:30,680
Speaker 2: a big thing that they're teasing with Black Adam as well,

1859
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:32,639
Speaker 2: which is this notion of like who gets to choose

1860
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 2: who's a hero, who's a vigilante, who's a murderer, What

1861
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 2: is collateral damage? And I think that is going to

1862
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 2: be Star Wars would be very smart to explore that

1863
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 2: more because they've been doing it for decades already. But

1864
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 2: we've got the time and space and the platform with

1865
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:52,160
Speaker 2: Disney plus yeah, and super producer Sauce Peacemaker too, yeah,

1866
01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 2: you know, and Suicide Squad. I love that Suicide Squad movie.

1867
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 2: You know. I think those stories are really right for

1868
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:00,160
Speaker 2: the telling, and I think people want to have these

1869
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 2: conversations now, so Star Wars is a great place to

1870
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:04,600
Speaker 2: do that, and I hope we get more of that

1871
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:05,200
Speaker 2: kind of story.

1872
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm really excited. This is This is why I'm really

1873
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,439
Speaker 1: excited for the and Or series, because I feel like

1874
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:11,519
Speaker 1: this is more of.

1875
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:13,639
Speaker 2: That more absolutely what it's going to be.

1876
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:19,759
Speaker 1: In that early rebellion space when people of unclear moral

1877
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 1: standing come to a crossroads and just have to decide

1878
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:24,680
Speaker 1: am I going to keep doing this or have I

1879
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 1: had enough? And I think that's some of the richest

1880
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 1: like ground for Star Wars stories. And I'm absolutely really

1881
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:37,280
Speaker 1: excited to see it. So this was fun. I really

1882
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:43,200
Speaker 1: enjoyed Obi wan Kenobi. I am legitimately surprised at how

1883
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:46,400
Speaker 1: many like twists and shocks they gave us, considering we

1884
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:52,439
Speaker 1: absolutely knew like the top three characters in it could

1885
01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 1: not die.

1886
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally truly could not die.

1887
01:43:56,960 --> 01:44:01,320
Speaker 1: And legitimately that like most, like most, if not all

1888
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:05,639
Speaker 1: minus Reva of the Inquisitors also could not die.

1889
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:08,200
Speaker 2: Like to be honest, like to build steaks in a

1890
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 2: space where everyone knows and what happens. That's pretty cool man,

1891
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:14,360
Speaker 2: that that's an achievement. I I.

1892
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:19,479
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it, and I love being able to

1893
01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:21,639
Speaker 1: talk to you about it. Yeah, me too, be able

1894
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:25,759
Speaker 1: to talk to have all of you who are listening

1895
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:28,720
Speaker 1: listeners talk about it. Big thank you to all of

1896
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:31,960
Speaker 1: you for taking this journey with us. To a big

1897
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:36,400
Speaker 1: thank you, of course Rosie Night hosting this episode. Rosie,

1898
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:38,759
Speaker 1: shall we plug? What are we plug?

1899
01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:39,080
Speaker 2: And plug?

1900
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:39,720
Speaker 1: Plugs?

1901
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:43,559
Speaker 2: Godzilla? I think you can actually still order you can

1902
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:46,599
Speaker 2: still pre order it. Godzilla Versus Battra. You can pre

1903
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 2: order it. The information is on my Instagram, which is

1904
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:53,800
Speaker 2: Rosie Marx m A r X. It's coming soon. I

1905
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:55,400
Speaker 2: mean it's going to be out in the first week

1906
01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:57,679
Speaker 2: of August, and we're gonna have some cool like event

1907
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:00,879
Speaker 2: type thingies like hyping up some of our favorite shops

1908
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:03,559
Speaker 2: stuff like that, so it's gonna be really good. Rosie

1909
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,400
Speaker 2: Marks is also my letterbox. And the last thing I'll

1910
01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 2: do is, let's a plug because this is for like

1911
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 2: a billion dollar movie or so well, a very high

1912
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:14,480
Speaker 2: budget movie. But I will say I was very delightfully

1913
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:19,679
Speaker 2: surprised to learn when I saw Vivian Lyra Blair as Lea,

1914
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 2: I was like, I love her, like what I feel like,

1915
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:25,719
Speaker 2: I innately love her? Right, Yeah, but I didn't realize

1916
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:27,519
Speaker 2: there was a reason for that, which is if you

1917
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:32,960
Speaker 2: haven't watched it, Robert Rodriguez made this unreal family superhero

1918
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:35,680
Speaker 2: movie that they released on Christmas Day on Netflix in

1919
01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:37,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty called We Can Be Heroes and it is

1920
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 2: like incredibly pure, kind of like a Disney Channel original

1921
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:45,320
Speaker 2: movie vibe, but Vivian Lyra Blair is in it, and

1922
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 2: she's like five and She plays a superhero called Guppy,

1923
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:50,960
Speaker 2: who is like the kid of This is a this

1924
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 2: is for those out there who know the the Rodriguez

1925
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 2: Kids Cannon. This is a Shark Boy and Lava Girl

1926
01:45:56,840 --> 01:46:00,000
Speaker 2: kind of spin off and Guppy Guppy plays this kid.

1927
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:03,280
Speaker 2: But she did a lot of the stunt, So they

1928
01:46:03,400 --> 01:46:06,160
Speaker 2: did all these practical stunts of her flipping all these

1929
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 2: adult men, and it's like, it's so good to watch

1930
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:12,040
Speaker 2: and her character is so cute. So if after watching this,

1931
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:14,680
Speaker 2: you love Leah, you love Vivia and Myra Blair, you

1932
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:19,120
Speaker 2: think Robert Rodriguez's kids movies are cool, Saul like Sharkway

1933
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 2: and love a Girl, Thank you? You know, I would

1934
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:26,200
Speaker 2: I definitely Kids is SPI Kids Kids, I mean iconic,

1935
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 2: I could, I mean.

1936
01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:30,360
Speaker 1: Truly I Spy Kids is legitimately great shit.

1937
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 2: There cast, So yeah, I would just say that is

1938
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:35,320
Speaker 2: really fun, especially if you've got little ones or you

1939
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 2: just like cute pure things. So yeah, And I was

1940
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:40,599
Speaker 2: when I found out it was her. I was so happy.

1941
01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this all makes sense

1942
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:45,720
Speaker 1: And PS will be having some giveaways and stuff once

1943
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Speaker 1: God's will and dry