1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: We are getting ready to leave, and the mom is 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: thanking us again, and she looks up at her daughter 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: at the top of the stairs and she said, baby, 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: it's okay to cry. And her daughter flew down those 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,159 Speaker 1: stairs and she jumped into my arms and grabbed me 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: and squeezed tight, and she whispered in my ear. This 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: is going to be the best Christmas ever. And it's 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: because that's to sleep it. 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: Welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney, 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: I'm a normal guy. I'm a husband, I'm a father, 11 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: I'm an entrepreneur, and I've been a football coach in 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: Inner City Memphis. And that last part it somehow led 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: to an oscar for the film about our team. That 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: film is called Undefeated. Y'all, I believe our country's problems 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: will never be solved by a bunch of fancy peace 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: people in nice suits talking big words that nobody understands 17 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: on CNN and Fox, but rather by an army of 18 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: normal folks, US, just you and me deciding, Hey, you 19 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: know what, maybe I can help. That's what Carrie and 20 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: Paul Moore have done. There are second story on Sleeping 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: Heavenly Peace, and they've helped lead one of their three 22 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty six chapters who've built over Get this 23 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 2: one hundred and forty thousand bets for kids that don't 24 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: have bets, and for Carrie. The mission is all too personal, 25 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: which is why we just had to tell this story. 26 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: I cannot wait for you to meet them right after 27 00:01:45,880 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 2: these brief messages from our general sponsors Carry and Paul Moore. 28 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: What's up? Hello? 29 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: Hello? 30 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: How are you wonderful? Less? 31 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: So? 32 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, we can tell from your accident you're from upstate 33 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 2: New York. Right, that's it? Actually like Alabama, lower Alabama. 34 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: Actually you guys drive up? Yes we did? Yeah, and Oxford, 35 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: Alabama's all right? Which is where is the metropolis of Oxford, Alabama? Twenty? 36 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 4: If you've ever heard of the Interstate I twenty that 37 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 4: runs between Birmingham and Atlanta, pretty much right inside the 38 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 4: Alabama state line on I twenty. 39 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: So mad from Georgia, I got it. So how did 40 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: you meet? Wait? Where do you meet each other? In Oxford? 41 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: How long you've been married? Tell me about y'all? I 42 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 2: let Carrie tell all right, go for. 43 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: Okay, So we've been married coming up on, Well, it's 44 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: been thirteen years and we met on Facebook. 45 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: You met on Facebook? Yes, really tell me how that works, 46 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: because Lisa and I met the old fashioned way, So 47 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: that is meeting on Facebook work. 48 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't planned that way, but I had gone 49 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: through a divorce and he was divorced as well, which 50 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know at the time. 51 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: But he did you have talked to him if you know? Yeah, okay, 52 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: go ahead. So he saw the long pregnant Yeah. Yeah. 53 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: He He kept popping up as somebody you might know 54 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: on Facebook, and so I clicked on it, and I 55 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: realized that he looked familiar, and our kids went to 56 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: school together and all of that. So I decided to 57 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: send him a friend request, which was something I did 58 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: not do because if I didn't know somebody, I didn't 59 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: want to be their friend. I had enough friends and 60 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: I had enough problems and everything else going on at 61 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: that time. So I just went ahead and sent him 62 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: a firm request, and then I believe it was the 63 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: next morning he replied. He actually replied to me he 64 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: accepted it, and then he replied to me on messenger 65 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: and he said, I'm trying to figure out how I 66 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: might know you. I don't know how I could forget 67 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: a face like yours. 68 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: So oh. 69 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: Wait, wait wait, it gets it gets much better, and 70 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: so you know, and he said you just look familiar 71 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. And so I messaged back 72 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: and I said, I really just wanted to know what 73 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: you were grilling in your profile picture and he said, oh, 74 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: it was steak, and I said, well, I love steak, 75 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: and so we. 76 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 2: Just started would over. 77 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: Well it. It did lead into that, so we just 78 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: kept chatting a little bit, and then like a day 79 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 1: or two later, he messaged me again and he said, look, 80 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: I've been sitting here staring at my computer screen for 81 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: over an hour now, and this is all in a text, 82 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: and he said, you might think I'm a lunatic, but 83 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: I was thinking that if you weren't seeing anybody, maybe 84 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: we could go out sometime and have maybe steak. And 85 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: so I messaged back and I said, you might be 86 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: a lunatic, it's very possible, but I love steak. So 87 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: we talked on the phone for two weeks before we 88 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: ever met, getting to know one another like teenagers, staying 89 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: up till two o'clock in the morning and saying, oh 90 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: my goodness, I have to go to bed. And then 91 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: we finally went out to eat, and that was our 92 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: first date and we've been together ever since. 93 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: That is fantastic. 94 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: Here's the thing though, about three years ago I found 95 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: out it was not steak. 96 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: What was it? 97 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: Hamburger's and hot dogs? 98 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 4: You lied, Hamburger has actually ground up steaks, so you. 99 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: So, he said, Hamburger steaks. 100 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: Hamburger steaks. So you guys have eight kid How does 101 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,679 Speaker 2: that work? We do? So? Are yours? Is an hour's 102 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 2: kind of deal? Or eight? How? My goodness was a family? Yes? 103 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: So I gave birth to five boys, and good lord, 104 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: all boys and they range from getting ready to be 105 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: twenty one to thirty four. And then Paul has a 106 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: son and two daughters. So combined we have six boys 107 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: and two girls. 108 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: And how many great you got to have grandkids? 109 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: We do? We have eighteen grandchildren in our nineteenth will 110 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: be here in November, well seventeen because one's a great grandchild. 111 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: Holy smoke, says anybody in your family figured out what 112 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: causes this? The water? 113 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: There's only one out of the eighth that have not 114 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: had children yet. 115 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: What a family, What a great story. So what do 116 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: you both do for a living? 117 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: I work for Benton Nissan in Oxford, Alabama. I am 118 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: an owner loyalty manager there but I've been there fourteen years, 119 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: so I've started in starting up the Internet department, sales, 120 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: starting up the sales BBC and now owner loyalty manager, 121 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: and I work. 122 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 4: For a company called in Communications. We're a major subcontract 123 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 4: for AT and T, Verizon, T Mobile, a lot of 124 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 4: dash cares. Basically, we make your cell phones work in 125 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 4: house and buildings like like a microtower would do out 126 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 4: in the in the world, going down the interstate. We 127 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 4: build systems so inside major stadiums and hospitals, car play 128 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 4: so your cell phones work. And that's how I explain it. 129 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 4: But I'm a senior logic engineer for my company. 130 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: So here you are. You got this cool love story 131 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: that was based all on a lie. And you are 132 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: any of these eight children your children? Or are there yours? 133 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 4: Or five five's hers and three's minds and eight are 134 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 4: your blanded family? And yes, all of our kids are 135 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 4: our kids. 136 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: That's Brady Bunch plus two. That's right. 137 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: I grew up as an only child and I always 138 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: wanted a big family, and god. 139 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: Girl, you've got I did two and we have four. Okay, 140 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: and the greatest blessing of my life. So I get 141 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: it completely. You know, you've got your job and career. 142 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: That if you've been married thirteen years and you were 143 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: fourteen years so I mean you had your world, and 144 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: you have your world, you know, and you have this 145 00:08:54,920 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: family and things are going great, and then you decided 146 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: to serve in your community. I mean, what, how did 147 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: it as a couple or how did how did the 148 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: call to serve happen in your life? Because listen, you 149 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: have a beautiful story, but you're living you know, great 150 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: but really kind of unremarkable wives like most of us, 151 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: just doing normal life. But then you feel a need 152 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: to serve in some way. What happened? 153 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: I can tell you how it started for me is 154 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: through surrendering, giving my heart to Jesus. 155 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 3: Allowed me to see that no matter what you've gone 156 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 3: through in your life, there's hope foundin in Him. And 157 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: I just wanted so badly for other people to experience 158 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: that and know that there's help in this world that 159 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: can be given. And so I was set on fire 160 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 3: after I was saved, and that was at thirty seven 161 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 3: years old. 162 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: I was saved for you at all, faithful, Yes, yeah, 163 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: I was saved when I was a little girl, but 164 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: I think I just went through like an emotional salvation 165 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: where all the kids are doing it and you go 166 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: down to do it. And I always believed in God, 167 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: but I wasn't living for him at all, and so 168 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: I had gone through a divorce. I was just making 169 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: poor choices. I was lonely, I was just miserable, and 170 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: I had hit rock bottom. And so I actually had 171 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: a customer who invited me to church and I went 172 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: in the day that I went. That same day, the 173 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: pastor who was preaching the message kept saying, if you're lost, 174 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: don't leave this building defeated. And I kept thinking, why 175 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: am I feeling like he's talking to me. I'm already saved, 176 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: you know. I felt like someone was talking and talking 177 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: and talking in my head, and I was like, well, 178 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: maybe next time, don't go down there. And you know, 179 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: there was a lot of other things that led up 180 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: to it, but he kept saying it, and then he said, hey, Jay, 181 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: play that song one more time. And when he did, 182 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: I knew he was talking. He said, this is for you, 183 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: and so I went down and I just gave my 184 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: heart to the Lord, all of it. I said I 185 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: can't do this. I need you. And from that moment on, 186 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: I knew that I was supposed to get out in 187 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: this world and help other people. And then when Paul 188 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: and I met, we just I think it's in our 189 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: DNA to help others. We started a nursing home ministry. 190 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: Our church has small groups, and we decided that's what 191 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: we wanted to do, and so we had a group 192 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: of people every Wednesday evening. We would go in and 193 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: just meet with residents, people going through rehab and it's 194 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: just it brought so much joy to us. We thought 195 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: it would be a blessing to others, but it really 196 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: was blessing us. 197 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 4: But yeah, so for me, uh, I think, you know, 198 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 4: it started out when I was When I was a child, 199 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 4: my dad was a deacon in or a local church, 200 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 4: and uh, there was a falling out split of the 201 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 4: church issues. And then when dad and mom left the church. 202 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 4: Of course us as kids, I was probably around twelve. 203 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 2: I was saved at ten. 204 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 4: Uh, we left the church at twelve, and then mom 205 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 4: and dad didn't go to church for a long long time, 206 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 4: so I didn't go to church. So I ended up 207 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 4: around my friends that also didn't go to church, and 208 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 4: I started living basically everybody else that didn't know anything 209 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 4: about used. 210 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: To word you always used, like the heathen heathen. 211 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:50,479 Speaker 4: But uh but anyway, as I as I, as I 212 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 4: kind of matured and become a young man, those ways 213 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 4: just followed me. For a long time. I was kind 214 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 4: of off and on for a while. I went through 215 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 4: a divorce, and you know, that's a long story in itself, 216 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 4: but went through a divorce and it was a bad 217 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 4: divorce as far as for me emotionally and everything. 218 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: And I kind of turned and just did have no respect. 219 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 4: For women whatsoever for a long time. Uh So I 220 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 4: was a bad person because now women was just objects 221 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 4: to me. I didn't care about them, you know. And 222 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 4: so I lived a long time taking, not giving at all, 223 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 4: but just taking. And then of course when Karen I met, 224 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 4: like she said in a while ago, we talked for 225 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 4: two weeks before we ever at each other. And want 226 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 4: now I look back on it, I think that is 227 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 4: such a wonderful thing. We got to know each other 228 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 4: and talk and really explore who each other really was 229 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 4: without any kind of physical contact, attractions or anything. Was 230 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 4: just all over the phone and texting. And so when 231 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 4: we met, even though I was pleasantly surprised. 232 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: She was who's her profile picture? 233 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 4: Says she was on Facebook because you know, I run 234 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 4: into that through the dating scene. I've tried dating apps 235 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 4: through all the years, you know, and you meet someone, 236 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 4: he's like, hey, that's not your profile picture, like either 237 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 4: that was your daughter or that was you thirty years ago. 238 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 4: But anyway, so when we met and got to go out, 239 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 4: we felt like we knew each other. But I was 240 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 4: still living in the you know, in the world hard 241 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 4: and she was a Christian and she invited me to 242 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 4: her church. And of course my first thing is, I 243 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 4: don't you go to a big church. I don't want 244 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 4: to go to big church. I'm I'm a country with 245 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 4: it like small churches. And she was persistent and I 246 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 4: ended up going. The very first time. I felt something, 247 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 4: felt the nudgeing of the Lord, and it took a while. 248 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 4: I didn't like carry just I fought it a little 249 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 4: harder than she did. But anyway, after a couple of weeks, 250 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 4: our pastor and I tell everybody it was a big church. 251 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 4: We sat up in the balcony. But for some reason 252 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 4: I didn't know who he was, but he knew who 253 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 4: I was, and I felt like he was staring at 254 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 4: me every single week, and it was just him bringing 255 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 4: me God's word, which God had plans for me. I 256 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 4: didn't know it at the time, but God had plans 257 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 4: for me. And you know, part of that plan was 258 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 4: I had to get my life back and give my 259 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 4: life to Christ and fully be devoted. So when I 260 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 4: first did and I went and rededicated my life, and 261 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 4: you know, and I honestly and later on got rebaptized 262 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 4: just because when I got baptized as kids, I didn't 263 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 4: even know what it represented. So I wanted the world. 264 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 2: To know I was a change man. It was not 265 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: who I used to be. 266 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, trying not to get them ostional too, but but anyway, 267 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 4: I just. 268 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: Wanted the world to know I was a change man. 269 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 4: So I made that outward expression of my salvation and 270 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 4: just show people, hey, you know I was. 271 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 2: I was of the world. 272 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 4: Now I live in Christ and I still mess up. 273 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 4: You know, being a don't make you perfect. 274 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: It actually. 275 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 4: It just actually, you know, I say, it gives me 276 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 4: more of a conviction. So I watched Wiz listen to 277 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 4: a comedian on the way up here, and he was 278 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 4: just talking about you know his wife never says she's sorry, 279 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 4: but he walks around with a bag of them, just 280 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 4: hand them out freely. 281 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: Because so. 282 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 4: Because I still have a lot of worldly tendencies, and 283 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 4: most of mine is just you know, sometimes I say 284 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 4: things I may not should should have said. If I 285 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 4: could go back in time, I take a lot of 286 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 4: stuff back. But when I offend somebody, if I say something, 287 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 4: God deals with my heart and I have to go 288 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 4: find them. I mean I cannot. I cannot go along 289 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 4: without finding them. 290 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: Saying hey, I'm sorry. 291 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,479 Speaker 4: You know I was out of line, or I shouldn't. 292 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: Have said this or whatever. 293 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 4: But getting back to the whole reason of how we started, 294 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 4: I found I think I first started serving under just 295 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 4: basically feeling like I needed to make up for a 296 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 4: lot of the things I took, which is not the 297 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 4: right reason to be serving, but I think that's how 298 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 4: I started. But God has this place to desire in 299 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 4: my heart to help others. I actually love people, and 300 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 4: that's part of my prayer A lot of times is 301 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 4: God helped me to see people like you see them, 302 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 4: and love them like you love them, not have the 303 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 4: world season. We all have a point of view of 304 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 4: how we think someone is, but ours is a single 305 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 4: point of view. It's not very much the data compiled 306 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 4: to make those decisions. So when I see people, I 307 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 4: don't know what they went through that day. I don't 308 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,479 Speaker 4: know how they've grown up. They may have grew up 309 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 4: in an abusive environment, so I don't know what's formed 310 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 4: them to who they are. So I'm certainly not going 311 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 4: to pass judgment on them. They just need a positive 312 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 4: influence and a positive light in their life, and that's 313 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 4: what I just want to be. I just want to 314 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 4: be something positive so they can see people care about 315 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 4: them and they're not alone. 316 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: In this world. And now a few messages from our 317 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 2: generous sponsors. But first, please consider signing up to join 318 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 2: the Army at normalfolks dot us. By signing up, you'll 319 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 2: receive a weekly email with updates about the Army and 320 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,719 Speaker 2: short episode summaries in case you happen to miss an 321 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: episode or you prefer reading about our incredible guests. Please 322 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 2: sign up. The more numbers, the more impact we'll be 323 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 2: Right back. I grew up, Dad left last four AM 324 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 2: was married and divorced a number of times. But for 325 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: all of the difficulty my childhood, my mom kept me 326 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 2: in church and I went off to college. I don't 327 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: miss I just spent a lot of comments church in 328 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: college and had a lot of had a lot of 329 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: baggage in my life as a result the way I 330 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: grew up and really got I mean, like I think 331 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 2: Harry said, I always believed in God, and I guess 332 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: I did, but certainly it wasn't a paramount thing in 333 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: my life at all, primary or probably on the list 334 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: of the top twenty candidly, and when Lisa and I 335 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 2: were married we started having children. Lisa sat me down 336 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 2: one day and said, you're you're you're doing good in business, 337 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 2: you know all of that, but you're really failing. I 338 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 2: was like, well, thanks, appreciate it. Nice said you understand 339 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 2: as father and the husband, you're supposed to be the 340 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: spiritual leader of our household. And I just was like 341 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 2: oll and much like you, I was resistant and defensive 342 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 2: and anyway that led least in me to get ourselves right. 343 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: And it was my wife. So we have that in common. 344 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 4: DOMA yes, yeah, both got good women that wasn't ashamed 345 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 4: say with how they lead and how they failt So 346 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 4: and I do try to be the spiritual leader of 347 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 4: our family, and I'm just yo, but I always go 348 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 4: back to you know, I don't want to be dominating 349 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 4: because if you're doing what's right, just like Christ love 350 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 4: the Church, you truly love something. 351 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 2: I put her interest first, which is interesting because when 352 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 2: you talk about you want to see other people how 353 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 2: Christ sees them, and you want to love other people 354 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: how Christ loves them, even if you don't know them. 355 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 2: That is an unconditional thing that is very difficult for 356 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 2: we humans to adapt to. It is what's it like, 357 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 2: Carrie to race five boys on your own? 358 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 4: Wow? 359 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: Crazy? They're all good boys. I mean they they were 360 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: rambunctious and I'll never forget the hospital visit because my 361 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: son was trying to clean his ear with a Q 362 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: tip and his brother popped his hand, so that. 363 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: That's what stuff brothers do. 364 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know then there's blood on the Q 365 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: tip and did he bust his ear drum and all that, 366 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: which thank god he didn't. But I mean they were boys. 367 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: They I used to tell them when they were little. 368 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: Y'all are fighting now, but when you grow up, there's 369 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: going to be a day you need each other and 370 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: you're going to remember this and you're going to say 371 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: I'm not helping you, but they do. They're they are close, 372 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: and they go fishing and play ultimate frisbee golf and 373 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: camping and all that stuff. So it's come back around 374 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: to where they are. 375 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: How do you reconcile I'm going to leave a marriage 376 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: with five sons on my own. That had to have 377 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: been incredibly difficult decision for you. 378 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: It was very difficult being a single mom with five children, 379 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: but it was also the best decision for what was happening. 380 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: I grew up with some very bad My first marriage 381 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: was a nightmare. He tried to kill me. He was 382 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: a control freak and literally locked me in the house 383 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: with the padlock on the outside of the door while 384 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: he went to work so that nobody would break in. 385 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: It was gone. 386 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to talk to people or look at people. 387 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: It was just very, very difficult. That lasted for seven years. 388 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: And then that was my first three and then my 389 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: second two was complete opposite. He just wanted to be 390 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: a friend. It was more like a friendship, and then 391 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: it turned into struggles. 392 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 4: Wow. 393 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: Well, so that. 394 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: Point before I met Paul, I said I don't need 395 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: another man in my life. I'm done. And then I 396 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 1: did find out I needed another man in my life 397 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: and his name was Jesus. And when that happened, it 398 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: wasn't but a couple of months, and everything is just 399 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: like I know, God put us together at the right time. 400 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 2: Do you think God told him to lie about the 401 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 2: Hamburgers things? 402 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: Probably not. 403 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: So here you are married, combined family, eight kids, both 404 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: have your careers happy, both finding renewed sense of purpose 405 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 2: and otherworldly love in your lives. And because of that, 406 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 2: a sense to give back and a sense to make 407 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: right of your past wrongs, and a sense to serve 408 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 2: and a sense to to love your fellow man based 409 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 2: on the way that you receive God's love is what 410 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 2: it sounds like. So there you are, living in Alabama, 411 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: raising your hands alive Ojah on Sundays and probably Wednesday 412 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 2: nights too. That's right, so super, But that's not even 413 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 2: the end of the story. That's just the beginning. And 414 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 2: so here is the coolest thing in the world is 415 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: Luke Michelson, who was the founder of Sleeping Heavenly Peace, 416 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 2: was a guest of ours. Alex what your go? Nine 417 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: months ago? Your go? And Alex told me, you know, 418 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: we're going to give it a year. But I've read 419 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: this cool thing about this person with it, and I 420 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: want to as almost follow up to sleep in Heavenly Peace. 421 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 2: Let them tell their story. And so we're going to 422 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 2: break the first reveal to our listeners. Now, you guys 423 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: do sleep in heavenly peace. Your build bets and deliver them. 424 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 2: So how did that basis of what we know about 425 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 2: you now translate to sleep in heavenly peace? How did 426 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 2: it come I want to make a bed and give 427 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: it to a kid. 428 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 4: Well, I'll start this one off and he can add 429 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 4: to it. 430 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 2: But so. 431 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 4: Back to the story, when, of course she invited me 432 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 4: to church. We ended up going to that church for 433 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 4: eight years and God really blessed us, poured in the 434 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 4: church poured into us. 435 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: Uh. 436 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 4: And then we started having desire to be outreached focused. 437 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: Our hearts are both you know, to serving others. 438 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 4: So we started a church come to our community that's 439 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 4: big and outreach. 440 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 2: We didn't have a campus there. 441 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 4: But they brought a campus to our community. We was 442 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 4: going to both churches for a while and I told Carry, 443 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 4: I said, look, we're being selfish. We're receiving, receiving, receiving, 444 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 4: but we don't have time to give, So we had 445 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 4: to make a decision, so we prayed about that ended 446 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 4: up going to a church as big outreach. We become 447 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 4: the outreach coordinators. This was probably twenty nineteen somewhere in 448 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 4: that area. And then twenty twenty hit and with COVID 449 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 4: and everything that was going on, our church was really 450 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 4: point into the community and Carrie and I was having 451 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 4: to lead that effort and. 452 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: It was just so much for so we. 453 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: Both worked full time jobs, were. 454 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 4: Full time jobs, and it was just tough, you know, yes, right, 455 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 4: but we made it through. I mean, it was Carrie 456 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 4: and I so much. You got a look, when your 457 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 4: outreach coordinator, most of your volunteers are retired seniors. Well, 458 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 4: when COVID hit, that was the exact group that could 459 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 4: not get out and yeah, they had to button down. 460 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 4: And so it ended up being Carrie and I and 461 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 4: a few staff members of the church and just a 462 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 4: couple other people, and we was trying to provide tractor 463 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 4: trailer loads and get this out to people working full time. 464 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 2: Job, food, food, food. 465 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 4: School supplies, and just anything that we could get out 466 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 4: to their community to help them. We was even had 467 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 4: a like if someone needed medicine, like could call us 468 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 4: and we would pick it up for them and deliver it, 469 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 4: drop it off, food, drop it off, whatever it was. 470 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 4: But we had tractor loads of food coming in was 471 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 4: our most things, and we distributed out to the community 472 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 4: for people who couldn't get. 473 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,719 Speaker 2: Out of their houses or didn't want to get out 474 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 2: of their houses. That in and of itself is awesome, 475 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 2: and it was. 476 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 4: It was awesome, and we loved it about the stress 477 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 4: and everything had just become so it was almost got 478 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 4: to be a have to and not to get to. 479 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 4: Uh you know, and I never want to serve out 480 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 4: a feeling like I have to. I always want to say, 481 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 4: hey man, I get to do this. 482 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 2: And this is so awesome. Uh. So we just. 483 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 4: Decided and prayed about it and said we were going 484 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 4: to step back from this position. We made it through COVID, 485 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 4: everything planed out, and so we said we're just gonna 486 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 4: step back and take a six month break. So we 487 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 4: did that and six months coming gone, and we still 488 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 4: wouldn't do anything. And you know, it was praying and 489 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 4: I was on my way home from. 490 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: Twenty one days of prayer, and fact. 491 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 4: Well there was twenty one day, so I was going 492 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 4: to get to that, but I guess I should say 493 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 4: that first. So our church has twenty one days of 494 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 4: prayer and fasting, and we was in prayer for what 495 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 4: God wanted us to do. And and I'm not a 496 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 4: person that's ever had visions. 497 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 2: I'm not. 498 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 4: I'm just the normal person what most people think about 499 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 4: when when you you know about Christianity, you know, I'm not. 500 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 4: I'm not one that's just got all these great prophesy 501 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 4: and these gifts. My gift is just an empathetic heart, 502 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 4: you know, I have I care about how people feel. 503 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 2: But h but I had a vision at our prayer service. 504 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 2: It was meah something about that I read that I 505 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 2: don't understand. 506 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 4: I didn't understand it either. Uh never I always thought. 507 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 2: I mean, some people listen to us will think that's hoki. 508 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, well I thought it was too. 509 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. 510 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 4: So I was walking around praying, and as I'm praying, 511 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 4: I'm a pacer, uh you know, and I'm I'm up 512 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 4: and I'm walking and I'm praying. And then all of 513 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 4: a sudden, just as clear as I'm looking at you, 514 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 4: I could see a building. 515 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 2: It had our ministry name on it, the one that. 516 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 4: We had started back It's just it's when we, you know, 517 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 4: visited the elderly and built, built wheelchair wraps, anything they 518 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 4: needed to help the elderly. 519 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: That's what we did at that time. 520 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 4: We helped local nursing homes, beautify the place, take care 521 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 4: of some needs that they couldn't take care of themselves. 522 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: But but so I was just and saw it. 523 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 4: I saw it with our our Shepherd's heart uh sign 524 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 4: on the building, and I knew we was in there 525 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 4: doing something. 526 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I just felt it. 527 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm like, I'm transported to this almost like 528 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 4: watching it on TV. And I see it as plain 529 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 4: as day, and I just it's baffled. 530 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 2: But I didn't tell Kerry right away. But then I 531 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 2: told her. 532 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 4: I said, look, I had a vision. And I was like, 533 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 4: I don't know what it means yet, but I had 534 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 4: a vision. 535 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: Do you realize when some people hear that, they just 536 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 2: don't have a hard time believe in that. 537 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 4: And I would, I would say I would up too. 538 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 4: I still I still they even though I've had one. 539 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 4: You know, I'm skeptical sometimes when I hear people say, 540 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 4: you know, God showed me this, That's what I'm saying, Yeah, 541 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 4: God showed me this. 542 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I believe everything I am that there's power 543 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: in prayer. I believe that for whatever blessings I have 544 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 2: in this life, they are His will and His plan 545 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 2: for me. I believe all of that. I know it 546 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 2: in the depths of my heart because I know how 547 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 2: stupid and much it I've been, So I don't deserve 548 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: any good things that come my way, all right, and 549 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 2: so you know I identify with all of that. Man, 550 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 2: even I with that true, deep belief and a belief 551 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,479 Speaker 2: that you will never convince me is not real in 552 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 2: my life. Okay, I still struggle with a vision. And 553 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 2: I'm not hammering you. I'm giving you the opportunity because 554 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 2: I know there are people hearing this going that sounds beautiful. 555 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: But I've also heard of the out of body experiences, 556 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: and we've also heard of UFOs. I mean, I know 557 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 2: that sounds horrible. I was watching a TV show last 558 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 2: night where a guy was, you know, talking about Christianity 559 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 2: and that you know, one of his one of the 560 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 2: reasons supercoils from it. It's very conversations like we're having 561 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 2: right now because they just can't believe that kind of stuff. 562 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 4: Well, I can share a few things you know that 563 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 4: that would even kind of go into basically saying I 564 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 4: have nothing to gain by sharing this vision with you 565 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 4: other than just being honest first of all, to finish 566 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 4: that that vision, I knew he was in there helping children, 567 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 4: and I didn't know how. 568 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 2: So you saw a building with your sign, you knew 569 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 2: you were doing something for children in there, but you 570 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 2: didn't know quite. 571 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 4: Right, right, I didn't know quite what we was doing. 572 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 4: This has been, This has been two thousand. I guess 573 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 4: it was twenty twenty, yeah, twenty twenty, and it was 574 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 4: before we started with Sleep and Heavy Piece. 575 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 2: Of course, I even believe God gives you ideas and 576 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 2: puts them on your heart. 577 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 578 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 4: Well, but that's not just to say yes, this vision, 579 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 4: even though I've had it and I don't mind sharing, 580 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 4: has not come to fruition as far as the building yet. 581 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 4: We believe it's going to, uh, but it has it. 582 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 4: So I'm not speaking something. I can say, Hey, I 583 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 4: had this vision and hey, bam, here it is. Yeah, yes, 584 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 4: because it's not. 585 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 2: It's not that. 586 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 4: But we still believe that at some point in time, 587 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 4: God's going to get us that point he showed us, 588 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 4: and it may not be shepherd's heart. 589 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 2: It may be part of shepherd's. 590 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 4: Heart, but I know it's gonna have something to do 591 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 4: with sleeping heavenly peace too, just because they both. We 592 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 4: always tell people so we love kids, that we love 593 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 4: kids and we love the elderly. So I always tell 594 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 4: anybody our heart is in pediatrics and geriatrics, like we 595 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 4: love kids, and then we love old people when they 596 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 4: become kids. 597 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 2: A kid. 598 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 4: In between two now, so yeah, we like the people 599 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 4: in between. 600 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 2: But that's where like and crawlers. 601 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 4: But anyway, so we know God's gonna work and there's 602 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 4: more to this story, and hopefully years down the road 603 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 4: we can share that with you. 604 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 2: We don't know now. 605 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 4: I can't tell you what's gonna happen, but I do 606 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 4: know that vision to me because I'm that same person 607 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 4: you're talking about. I've always been skeptical of everything that 608 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 4: I've heard when it comes to people saying, you know, 609 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 4: God showed me this, and just like I'm sitting here 610 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 4: looking at you, he showed me that. And I was 611 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 4: that same person. But I know what I saw, and 612 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 4: I know it hasn't happened yet, and it's been what 613 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 4: now for years As far as the whole thing. But 614 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 4: the other part of serving kids has happened. And I 615 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 4: was driving home from Atlanta not too long after that. 616 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 2: I was but you hadn't told Carry at first. 617 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: Guy. 618 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 2: I had told Carry about my vision, but not you know. 619 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 2: I just told her what I saw, you know. 620 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 4: But I told her I didn't know what God wants 621 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 4: us to do right now with both praying about that. 622 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 2: So I'm coming home from Atlanta. 623 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 4: I was working at Mercedes ben Stadium. We had a 624 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 4: big project going on there, and I was coming home 625 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 4: and on the radio there was a advertisement for it 626 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 4: was called build a Bed, Build a build a bed. 627 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 4: It was called build a bed, and it's it's something 628 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,919 Speaker 4: that this happens, but it's not a full time thing 629 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 4: like sleeping Heavenly Peace. 630 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 2: So I started. I was like, my heart just become. 631 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 4: Overwhelmed hearing that they was provided and there was a 632 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 4: problem with kids needing beds. So I get home and 633 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 4: I started looking up and I stumbled across sleeping Heavenly 634 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 4: Peace everything when I typed in build a bed, anything 635 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 4: to do with building beds, come back to sleep in 636 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 4: Heavenly Peace. So I talked to Kerry. We prayed about it, 637 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 4: and I said I thank God is leading us to 638 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 4: start a chapter in our area. So we actually applied 639 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 4: to start a chapter, and we did not know there 640 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 4: was one just right down the road from us and 641 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 4: gazed in, which is a neighboring city to you know, 642 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 4: one of our city we live in. And so they 643 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 4: got us in touch with our chapter president at the time, 644 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 4: which was is Tommy and Vo Goodman, and we just 645 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 4: started serving with them and becoming a part of it, 646 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 4: and then we fully immersed ourselves in it. 647 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: I'm going to interrupt just to share a little bit 648 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 1: about that. Was he kept saying, I need to meet 649 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: with Tommy. I've got to meet with him. We're supposed 650 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: to talk about some stuff. And he went and had 651 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: dinner with him, and he said, all right, We've got 652 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: it set up to go out on a delivery. And 653 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: this was Paul's first delivery. And I was supposed to go, 654 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: and I was selling a car and I could not leave, 655 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: and I was so upset because I wanted to go. 656 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: I was really excited. But when he came back from 657 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: that first delivery, Paul was a changed man. He was 658 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: on fire. He knew this is what we were supposed 659 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: to be doing, and He said that when they went 660 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: into this home and built the bed, there was a 661 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 1: little boy, maybe four or five years old, and they're 662 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: standing there talking to the mom and the little boy 663 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: just comes up and he grabs Paul's hand and he 664 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: looks up at him and he said thank you for 665 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: my bad And when he did that, Paul was like, oh, 666 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: this is it. 667 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 2: It melted. 668 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: He came, he came back and he was like this, 669 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: this is it. 670 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 2: Okay, So before we go further, let's catch our listeners up. Okay, 671 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 2: what is Sleeping Heavenly Piece? What is it? Tell us? 672 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: Okay? 673 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 2: I know, yeah, listeners who'veard Luke Michaelson's but just briefly 674 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 2: tell me what's Sleeping Evenly Pieces. 675 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: So it is a nonprofit organization that builds beds for 676 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: children between the ages of three to seventeen that do 677 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: not have a bed of their own. 678 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 2: How big a deal is child Listless? 679 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: It's huge? 680 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 2: How huge? 681 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I mean, we have five hundred and 682 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 1: something kids on our waiting list right now to receive. 683 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 4: Not a big metropolis, no, And. 684 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: This is it's a very big deal. And I think 685 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: that it is something that people don't realize what's behind 686 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 1: closed doors and they think everything is okay, but it's not. 687 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 2: I remember Luke Michelson saying something to me that it 688 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 2: took me a minute to get what he was saying, 689 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 2: but he said, it's just wrong that children put their 690 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 2: bet on to go to school. And I said, what 691 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 2: are you talking about? And he said, Bill, they come 692 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 2: home from school, they take their clothes off and that's 693 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 2: what they sleep on, and then they put the clothes 694 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,760 Speaker 2: back on and go to bed. Our kids to learn 695 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 2: how our kids to feel rested, how our kids to 696 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:32,720 Speaker 2: feel good, and they can't. And then I'm like, well, okay, 697 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 2: that is horrible, but you know how big a deal 698 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 2: is it? And he was like, child bedlessness wasn't even 699 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 2: a term before Luke started sleeping Heavenly Peace. But what 700 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 2: he found out is that it really is a big issue. 701 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 2: And if you think about how important a good night's 702 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 2: rest is to your lintal and social interactions every day, 703 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 2: you can understand that that listeness leads to nineteen other 704 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 2: thousand problems that plague our society. Use yet, and that 705 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 2: concludes part one of my conversation with Paul and carry more, 706 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 2: and you don't want to miss Part two that's now available. Together, guys, 707 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 2: we can change this country, but it starts with you. 708 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 2: I'll see in Part two