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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one hundred and

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Speaker 1: seven Team Tay. In the show, I'm joined by the

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Speaker 1: one and only John Dudley, and we're diving into how

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Speaker 1: we can improve our archery accuracy and how to decoy

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Speaker 1: white tail box. All right, welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by SI Gear. And today

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Speaker 1: in the show, I'm joined by John Dudley. He is

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Speaker 1: a champion tournament archer and outdoor writer, the whole most

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Speaker 1: of the knock On TV show and the knock On Podcast,

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Speaker 1: and a serious white tail nut. And when he gets

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Speaker 1: on the line here with me in a minute, we're

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Speaker 1: going to dive into a couple really fascinating topics. First,

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Speaker 1: given his expertise on archery, we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: a number of different things related to improving our accuracy

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Speaker 1: with archery tackle. We're gonna cover things like dealing with

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Speaker 1: target panic, improving our shot sequence, how to practice better

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Speaker 1: with our bows leading into the season, and lots of

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Speaker 1: stuff along those lines. And then from there we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk white Tails, specifically how John has had so much

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Speaker 1: success Decoin Bucks, and that is filled with some very

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Speaker 1: interesting stories and really rock solid tactics. So long story short,

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Speaker 1: there is a lot of interesting stuff in this episode,

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Speaker 1: but before we get into that, we need to pause

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Speaker 1: briefly to thank our partners at Sick of Gear for

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Speaker 1: their long standing support of this podcast. And as we

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Speaker 1: do every week, we've got a sick of story, which

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Speaker 1: today comes from Brad Christian, a member of the marketing

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Speaker 1: team at SICA, and Brad just joins earlier this year,

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Speaker 1: and when I spoke within the summer about why he

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Speaker 1: made that move, a lot of what he said resonated

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Speaker 1: with me, and it seems like a lot of the

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Speaker 1: reasons he wanted to work for this company we're also

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Speaker 1: the same reasons for why I wanted to wear this

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Speaker 1: company's gear and p part of that tribe. So I thought,

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Speaker 1: today we just listened to Brad discuss this very topic.

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Speaker 1: It's a great question, um, you know Sitka To me, Um,

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Speaker 1: it's about disrupting the status quo. It's about it's about quality,

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Speaker 1: it's about it's about um taking an experience that is

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Speaker 1: the most one of the most important things to me

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Speaker 1: in my life, which is, you know, bow hunting and

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Speaker 1: being in wild places and making those wild places significantly

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Speaker 1: better through gear. There's a lot of products on the

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Speaker 1: market that are just their deadweight, their gimmicks there there whatever.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have an emotional connection to them.

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Speaker 1: But with with Sitka Gear, I I genuinely, from the

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Speaker 1: bottom of my heart, have an emotional connection to the

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Speaker 1: company because of what it has meant to me before

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Speaker 1: I worked here. You know, um, I remember the first

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Speaker 1: time I ever tried the clothing on. It was just this,

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Speaker 1: I mean mind blown to me. It's this mix of

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Speaker 1: like this is gonna be amazing slash. I feel like

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Speaker 1: a ninja slash, you know. I you know, it's just

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Speaker 1: on the white tail side. It's just when I when

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Speaker 1: I'm packing my gear up, I've been just I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at a storm coming and I'm like, I got this.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do war and I'm gonna win, you know.

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Speaker 1: And and knowing that I can go into the field

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Speaker 1: with the sick year and and be totally comfortable is

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Speaker 1: super important to me. I mean, that's why I say

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Speaker 1: there's this this deeper connection because it's genuinely, uh drastically

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Speaker 1: improving my experience and just what the brand stands for.

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Speaker 1: UM I see every day. UM. You know we're talking

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Speaker 1: about fits use. You know, if a product is not

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Speaker 1: fit for use, UM, we don't. We don't put it up.

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Speaker 1: We don't test our products on the consumer. We test

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Speaker 1: them in the field and figure out if they're not perfect,

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Speaker 1: and we will we will scrap a project, you know,

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Speaker 1: spend a bunch of money on something just because it's

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Speaker 1: not perfect. And I just I know how much time

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Speaker 1: I invest in my hunting. I'm I'm building a bunch

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Speaker 1: what I go through and building my arrows because I

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Speaker 1: apparel has gone through that same process, it's just that's

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Speaker 1: and then good. I couldn't agree more so. If you'd

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Speaker 1: once in a while, to check out sick at products

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Speaker 1: at sick of gear dot com. And now let's get

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Speaker 1: back to the show and welcome John Dudley onto the podcast.

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Speaker 1: All right, joining us now is John Dudley. Welcome the show. John,

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Speaker 1: Hey buddy, how's it going. It's going well, although I

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Speaker 1: gotta said, just just a second ago offline, I found

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Speaker 1: so I know you've got good stuff come up here

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Speaker 1: pretty soon. Huh oh, yeah, I hope. So. I mean,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, I've been so busy this year. I

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Speaker 1: just so that I'm getting velvet pictures. But I'm not

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Speaker 1: be getting to go after this year. Oh man, that

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Speaker 1: is the ultimate, Like just before this is this is

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Speaker 1: it is, for sure. I can relate. I I was

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Speaker 1: itching to get down to Ohio. Here's a couple of

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Speaker 1: no doubt. Um, sorry ahead, I was gonna I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say, John if you could. Um, you know, I've

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Speaker 1: actually I actually first think I was introduced to you,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, eight or nine years ago, maybe, um,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Wow. Yeah, yeah, that was like Live from

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Speaker 1: But yeah, those guys were That was very That was

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Speaker 1: probably the first podcast in archery. Yeah, I think it was.

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Speaker 1: And so I, you know, start following your work since

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Speaker 1: then and was reading your articles and over the years,

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Speaker 1: But I guess before we get too far, could you

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Speaker 1: obviously growing up literally growing up through all of my

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Speaker 1: by watching and by you know, Matt was designing. I

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Speaker 1: shocked and overwhelmed. What's what given your experience with so

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Speaker 1: many of these different types of products and seeing what

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Speaker 1: really matters in the testing facility, what details are actually

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Speaker 1: the most important when it comes to some of these

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Speaker 1: pieces of gear as bow hunters. I mean, when when

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at a bow, is brace site really that important?

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Speaker 1: Or when I'm looking at my release, you know, do

434
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Speaker 1: I really need to be paying attention to you know,

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Speaker 1: how adjustable the caliber calipers or something like that. I mean,

436
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Speaker 1: what are the details and a couple of these maybe

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Speaker 1: most important times you can think of that really are

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Speaker 1: worth paying real close attention. H Yeah, Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I worked for and I'm I'm I'm fortunate that I

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Speaker 1: that I worked for Matthews for a long time, but

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Speaker 1: I'm also equally as fortunate that I've worked for HOY

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00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: for actually, well next month, it will be longer. Um.

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Speaker 1: And there's a real there's a real difference in the

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Speaker 1: two philosophies because that Matthews, matt was the designer and

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00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: the creator, and and really the design and creation stopped there.

446
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: If you know, if it was his idea, it got implemented. Um,

447
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: if it wasn't most of the time, you know it

448
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: it was math ideas or that or or probably wasn't

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00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: gonna come to life. So whereas that HOY, it's an

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Speaker 1: entire engineering team that is comprised of some of the

451
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Speaker 1: most knowledgeable and technical minds that I've ever been around.

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Speaker 1: And if I've ever if I'm ever stumped on something,

453
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Speaker 1: i have people there that I know specialize in certain

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Speaker 1: things that will give me a better understanding of what

455
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Speaker 1: I'm finding. And it's just a real different there were

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Speaker 1: two really different ways of of looking through it. So

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Speaker 1: at HOY, you know, they have people that really specialize

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Speaker 1: in materials. So you know, even if even if um,

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Speaker 1: you know, at at Matthews, even if we really wanted

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Speaker 1: to go down and say the road of carbon, because

461
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Speaker 1: there's really not engineers there with full degrees in that

462
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Speaker 1: type of material, I don't know if it would have

463
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Speaker 1: progressed the way that it has with Hoyt, whereas with

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Speaker 1: hoy And I can tell you as well. What I

465
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Speaker 1: really like is that the engineers are almost all of

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Speaker 1: them are hunters that hunt one of the toughest areas

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Speaker 1: there are up on the Wasatch. I mean, that's a

468
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Speaker 1: very that is the very demanding hunt. Those guys that

469
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Speaker 1: leave work, you know, they'll they'll hike thousands of feet

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Speaker 1: for an afternoon hunt and Chase Meally is up there

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Speaker 1: and Elk and those same guys will be in Vegas,

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Speaker 1: those same guys will be in Reading, those same guys

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00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: will be on World Cup teams, and they just have

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Speaker 1: a real appreciation of target accuracy and also the dependability

475
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Speaker 1: for traveling versus what we also need in the field

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Speaker 1: for durability. So for me on a bow, what I

477
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Speaker 1: really look for is I really like to find a

478
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Speaker 1: bow that has minimal flex and also has I do

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Speaker 1: believe that brace hite is important. I personally don't like

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Speaker 1: to go much under a seven inch brace hight. Ever,

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Speaker 1: um I feel that a huge part of accuracy with

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Speaker 1: any compound bow comes from having a proper string angle

483
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Speaker 1: that allows your head to be in a vertical position

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Speaker 1: where the string can be at the tip of your nose,

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Speaker 1: and that the peep site is not overly far from

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Speaker 1: your from your eye. I feel like the further you

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Speaker 1: take your peep from your eye, the the worst off

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Speaker 1: your accuracy will get. And I've experienced that, you know,

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Speaker 1: we've had there was I've been through a lot of

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Speaker 1: generations of design with bows that came to the market

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Speaker 1: that were much much, much different before they came to

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Speaker 1: the market, And a lot of times brace height was

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Speaker 1: a factor because obviously, when it comes to at least

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Speaker 1: our industry, marketing is everything. So if Hoyt's got a

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Speaker 1: bow that's shooting three thirty and they put it out

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Speaker 1: in October, then obviously Matthew is gonna want to have

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Speaker 1: a bow that shooting come November. And you know what's

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00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: funny is eccentrics and cam designs have really they've really plateaued.

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00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: There is about as efficient as you can possibly get.

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00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: So speed now it really comes from brace heights or

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00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: ultimately the power stroke on the arrow. So how long

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Speaker 1: that string is actually pushing the arrow four before it

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Speaker 1: leaves and That's why I like, you see a lot

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Speaker 1: of these crossbows that are much faster now, but they're

505
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: also shooting on a r rails that have much more

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Speaker 1: power stroke than they've ever had in the past too,

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Speaker 1: you know. So you're typically with a compound bow, for

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Speaker 1: every inch of drawing, you're going to get about eight

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Speaker 1: pounds more speed. So um, you know, a lot of

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Speaker 1: companies played with that too until the A t A

511
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Speaker 1: stepped in and drew the line of this is the

512
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Speaker 1: requirement if you're going to advertise speed. This is how

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Speaker 1: we measure draw length up to Before that point, I

514
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Speaker 1: think it was plus or minus an inch and three

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Speaker 1: quarters that companies could actually fudge. So like some of

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Speaker 1: the very first um some of the very first like

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Speaker 1: Black Night Bows and the bow tex UM. Kevin Struthers

518
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: was was pretty notorious for sending out bows that were

519
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Speaker 1: well over an inch and a half beyond true draw

520
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: length measurement. And you would get a bow that was

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Speaker 1: shooting three forty when if it's got if it's drawing

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Speaker 1: thirty one and a half inches of true draw, well,

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Speaker 1: if you take that twelve to thirteen ft per second

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Speaker 1: off your back down to a bow, the steven So.

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Speaker 1: And then the other thing too is you know you

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Speaker 1: take a bow, so you're comparing it to ahoyit with

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Speaker 1: a seven inch brace height. That's that and Hoyt is

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Speaker 1: not reously they were the ones that fought for the

529
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Speaker 1: for the standardized draw length measurement because they were always

530
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Speaker 1: so true on their draw length. Um, they really want

531
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Speaker 1: to see the comparison for like apples apples. So if

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Speaker 1: you're if you've got a bow that's a seven inch

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00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: brace hythe in it and you know it's shooting and

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00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: a thirty inch bow shooting three thirty, Well, of course,

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Speaker 1: if you're going to compare it to um, even even

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Speaker 1: another bow, like even a bow within the same category

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Speaker 1: or within the same brand, like a Turbo model, if

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00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: it's got an inch shorter brace height, well it's going

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00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: to automatically be eight foot per second faster. Now, there's

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00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: a lot that goes into play for cam design. UM

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Speaker 1: certainly hoy or Matthews or bow Tech or anybody else.

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00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: They could make bows that are pushing the limits for

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Speaker 1: speed with you know, having a cam that feels very

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Speaker 1: aggressive to hold back, like for example, like a ps

545
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: omens or something that's not something that a hunter is

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Speaker 1: really gonna feel comfortable drawing back and holding back at

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00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: full draw now, is its screaming fast? Yeah, it'll be

548
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 1: screaming fast. But accuracy tends to to fall apart. I'm

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00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: just when it comes to the bow. I like a

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Speaker 1: bow that allows people to have a respectable braceythe, which

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00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: in my opinion is seven inches. It is a great number.

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00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: It allows you to have good clearance of your sleeve,

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00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: especially if you have some bulkier clothes on as a

554
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: bow hunter. Um. And then also for the most part,

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00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: unless you're shooting a very very short acts axele bow

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00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: with a seven inch braceythe and a bow like for

557
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: example mine, I'm shooting a thirty four inch axel axel bow. Um,

558
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: I've got a thirty one inch draw and with a

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00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: seven inch braceythe bow, I feel totally comfortable at full draw.

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00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: The peeps close enough to my eye. I have really

561
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: really at accuracy. Now, if you start buying a model

562
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: that that peeps further from your eye or you're starting

563
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: to hit your arm on occasion, then automatically you're you're

564
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: going the wrong direction. And the other thing, too, is

565
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 1: buying a bow that you can pick off the shelf,

566
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: raise your bow arms straight up pointed at a target,

567
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: and then with only your drawing arm, be able to

568
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: pull that string back to your face until you get

569
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Speaker 1: to full draw. If you're having to lean back or

570
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: hit your hips, or push and pull or lift the

571
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: bow above your shoulder to draw it back, then you're

572
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: also either pulling a cam design that's too aggressive for

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Speaker 1: you um or you're pulling too much draw weight. I

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00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: think those those things, specifically on a on a compound bow,

575
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: are really going to help improve your accuracy. And it

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00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: sounds like that's something that not that. It sounds like

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00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: it's just obvious. So many people today want that high speed,

578
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: so they crank up their pound draw because they want

579
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: those numbers. They think that that matters so much to given,

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00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: like you said, the marketing we see today, everyone's talking

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00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: about super fast bows and how great that is. But

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00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: to your point, in the end, if that's gonna if

583
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: that's gonna damage your accuracy, it doesn't really matter a

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00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: whole lot. But another thing that I think a lot

585
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: of people struggle with is draw length. Can you talk

586
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: a little bit about the possible risks of stretching that

587
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: draw length too far because I hear a lot about

588
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: how that can impact our accuracy. To Yeah, so withdraw

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00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: length you really want to have you want to be

590
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: able to maintain um proper posture. And you know, the

591
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: basis to any sport is the proper foundation, the proper technique.

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00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: With archery, it's a T formation. So when I look

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Speaker 1: at an archer perfectly from the side, I'm really looking

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00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: for someone that has their feet directly under their hips,

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00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: their hips under their shoulders, and then when they're at

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00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: full draw, I'm looking for their shoulders um, front, elbow,

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00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: front wrist to be in an even line. Now, as

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00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: soon as you start to overdraw, then what will happen

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00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: is you'll have to start leaning back um, which you know,

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00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: your your tea will start to bend backwards away from

601
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: the target, or you'll start to overdraw in what you'll

602
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: find is the rear elbow starts to come down below

603
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: the shoulder in order to get the release hand um

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00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: back to an anchor position, which for a lot of

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00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: people they end up like putting their thumb behind their

606
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: neck or something like that. Um, you really want to

607
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: maintain that T formation, and you also want to have

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00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: your head in a perfectly erect position, and you want

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00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: to just imagine that someone is holding one little hair

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00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: on the top of your head and that you're just

611
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: barely pivoting your head towards the target. UM, in order

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00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: to look at it. You don't want to have to

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00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: take your head forward to the string because if you're

614
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: doing that, you're immediately going to be falling into improper form.

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00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: And you know, really, withdraw length, there's UM there's a

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00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: couple of different ways to measure it. UM I actually did.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure if you look at the knock On

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Speaker 1: Archery YouTube channel, UM, I did one specific to measuring

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Speaker 1: draw length. I'm just kind of looking it up here.

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00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: I just did a quick search, yep. So if you

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Speaker 1: do a Google search or a YouTube search for proper

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00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: draw length with John Dudley of knock On, uh, it's

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Speaker 1: on the knock On Archery. UM I'll show you that

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00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: t formation and also how to properly measure yourself. And

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00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: then if you've watched that on my YouTube channel. Right

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Speaker 1: beneath that is actually another video called n R t

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Speaker 1: R five, which is the knock and Ready to Rock,

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00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: a segment that I did on bow building and UM

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Speaker 1: number five was how to address adjust your draw length,

630
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: so you would literally be able to um see how

631
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: to measure yourself properly and then also be able to

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00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: see how to adjust your boat. Really with those two

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00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: videos alone, that's perfect. I'll make sure link to those

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00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 1: in the blog post for this one. UM, I'm sure

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00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: that that's helpful to be able to actually see that.

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00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: You know, hearing it's one thing, but actually seeing someone

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00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: doing some of these things and visually indicating what's what

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00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: that that's super helpful. So thanks for calling those out now.

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00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: In addition to issues of draw length or draw weight, UM,

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00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: what are a couple of the other most common mistakes

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00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: that you're seeing bow hunters making, um that are impacting

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00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: their accuracy? I know there's a lot, um, but could

643
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: you tackle a couple more that you think most of

644
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: our listeners need to make sure that they are double

645
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: checking and making sure they're not doing these things. UM.

646
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: For sure, drawing too much weight and then um drawing

647
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: probably overdrawing the bow I think for sure are all

648
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: certainly things that are gonna affect that big time. UM,

649
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: you really need to follow those steps that I just

650
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: talked about, and they're going to greatly help your accuracy

651
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: for sure. Um. And the other thing too is really

652
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: striving to have a surprise shot and you know, really

653
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: focus on your ability to hold your pin on the

654
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: target and actually covered the bull's eye while you're slowly

655
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: um squeezing or pulling through that. You say, until you

656
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: have a completely surprised shot. If you can do that,

657
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: then you're gonna be leaps and bounds ahead of people. Now,

658
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: most people today, they're unfortunately, they're at the mercy of

659
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: their their local dealers who sometimes are trying to just

660
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: sell a boat that's on the rack and it may

661
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: not fit them the right way. And if you don't

662
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: know going in what type of fit you should have,

663
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: then you're pretty much at their mercy. So overdrawing is

664
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: very common. Also, people anchoring with an anchor position that's

665
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: too low. Um. I'm not a big fan of thumb

666
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: behind the neck because what happens is when you have

667
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: your thumb behind your neck, oftentimes your string has to

668
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: be further on your face. You'll see that the string

669
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: is kind of more on the side of your nose.

670
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: It comes as it comes to its full drop position,

671
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: the triangles act really past the corner of your mouth,

672
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: and then because your thumb is behind your neck um,

673
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: your your hand is actually lower on your body rather

674
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: than having it up more on the side of your face,

675
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: and you put that that arrow shaft and what I

676
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: call a danger zone of the face, and that's along

677
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: the chin line. If you have the shaft of the

678
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: arrow along your chin line, then any type of head

679
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: movement that you make, especially if you turn your head

680
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: towards the right, which a lot of people the longer

681
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: they're the longer there at full draw, they slowly start

682
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: to turn their head to the right. And that's mainly

683
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: because when you're standing facing a target, you know, your

684
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: your feet are parallel and they're you know, you're literally

685
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: looking over your left shoulder. So the longer your full draw,

686
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: your head naturally just starts to straighten to look, you know,

687
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: directly in front of your body. So as your head straightens,

688
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: it's actually pushing on the back of that aeroshaft and

689
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: you'll just start to get really poor aero flight and

690
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: very erratic results because of your chin pressure. So I

691
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: think if people work on those things, you're going to

692
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: be in really really good shape. One of the things

693
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: you mentioned there, you know, giving that surprise release. I

694
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: feel like this is something that we hear about all

695
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: the time, Like it's one of those like, yeah, I'm

696
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: supposed to a surprise release, but so many people I

697
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: talked to it's one of those situations that everyone knows

698
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: you need a surprise release. But I feel like most

699
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: of people, even if they know that, they're still not

700
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: really doing it. Myself included, sometimes I still sometimes struggle

701
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: with that. How how do you help someone take that

702
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: and actually apply it in real life? Someone who struggles

703
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: with target panic or punching, punching the trigger? How can

704
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: you mean it's it's a lot easier talk to talk

705
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: than to walk it. How can you fix that in someone? Well,

706
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: it's it's nothing that's going to happen quickly. I mean

707
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: that I can tell you. Um, a lot of people

708
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: want to try to rush through it, and that's when

709
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: things start to get frustrating. Um, it's really a baby

710
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: step process. You have to really focus on one thing

711
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: at a time, and UM, you really have to start

712
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: to eliminate all these little demons that have conjured up

713
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: over normally a vast amount of time. So you know,

714
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: I when I'm working with people that have TURNU panic.

715
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: That process is often a two or three week process,

716
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: and a lot of times even people that understand that

717
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: what they need to do to make a really good shot,

718
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: they end up trying to quickly go back towards their

719
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: old style of shooting or or you know, especially if

720
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: they put themselves in any type of a pressure situation

721
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: too fast, they'll jump on um, they'll jump on the

722
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: trigger pretty quick again. You know. I think it's critical

723
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: that people try to really get their mindset and dedication

724
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: to knowing that this is a that this is not

725
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: something that just changes overnight. It's gonna take work, and

726
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: you also need to try to do it during a

727
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: time that you know you're not UM. For example, there

728
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: was a guy that I was working with here locally

729
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: UM and he wasn't like a full time student, but

730
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: he just said, I've got target panic. Do you think

731
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: he could help me? So I showed him a few

732
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: things and I said, all I want you to work

733
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: on is this. That's it. It's gonna be tedious, but

734
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: this is what I want you to work on. And

735
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: I gave him a few things, and about three or

736
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: four days later, I to the Archer range and he's

737
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: in there shooting bouncing, you know, like ping pong balls

738
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: on a vacuum cleaner with another guy at the range,

739
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, well that was a waste of

740
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: my time. Because if you're gonna go and try to

741
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: do novelty shoots that make you shoot it, like swinging

742
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: objects or moving objects, all these types of things are

743
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: going to incorporate you to make a shot happen, which

744
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: ideally the best You know that, and it's proven the

745
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: best target archers in the world are the ones that

746
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: let shots happen. Um. Even the best archers in the world.

747
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: For example, Mike Schulzter is from the Netherlands. He shot

748
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: um the first ever perfect six hundred you know, indoor round,

749
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: a world record that will never be broken, and he

750
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: shot that two years ago. Well a year later, he's

751
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: a Vegas. He in the shoot off and people are

752
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: expecting him to win, and he literally you know, he's

753
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: on camera, the camera's on and and zoomed in, he

754
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: pulls back and just does this huge punch the trigger

755
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: thing um, And so it just goes to show you

756
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: that those moments can bring the worst out of anybody.

757
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: So if you're trying to overcome that. You have to

758
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: mentally tell yourself, Okay, I'm gonna focus on I'm gonna

759
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: stay close, I'm gonna keep the targets big. I'm my

760
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: focus is going to be on the execution of this

761
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: release and continuing to slowly pull and squeeze through this

762
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: release until the until the release goes off without me

763
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: knowing um, and then also having less value on score

764
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: and less value on how you're actually grouping if you're

765
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: trying to overcome target panic. UM. When I'm shooting with

766
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: students and we're working on these types of things, I'll

767
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: sit there and shoot with them and never even look

768
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: down the range because you know they're like, oh that one,

769
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: that one's a little bit out, sorry, and I just

770
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 1: tell them listen, I'm I am no care whatsoever where

771
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: these arrows are going. Because if you can't execute a

772
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: shot right here with me looking directly at you, like

773
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: I'm judging your shot based off your execution within your

774
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: three foot box, I'm not judging your shot based on

775
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: the fact. You know, if you shoot a six hunderground,

776
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: but I'm watching you punch the trigger ten out of

777
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: you know, sixty times, then it's not impressive. To me,

778
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: I mean I could. I could go watch a I

779
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: could watch a world class arctor right now that would

780
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: go and shoot four perfect days in Vegas, and if

781
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: he's punching the trigger, I would probably turn the channel

782
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,959
Speaker 1: after watching the third or four shot. It's just it's

783
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: nothing that I wanna in grain or in bed in

784
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: my memory bank. You know. I just think that I've proven,

785
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: and my students have proven that being able to pull back,

786
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: put your pin on the target and then manipulate a

787
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: release or pull through the shot or slowly squeeze release

788
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: until it just goes off, you'll put way more arrows

789
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: in the middle. Even if your front pin is floating around.

790
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: Then if you're just trying to freeze perfectly still on

791
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: the target and then punch the trigger or make it happen.

792
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: Do you have like a specific shot sequence or thought

793
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: process that you're going through as you go through this

794
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: whole sequence of events. Yeah. I I coach a systematic

795
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: routine that pretty much starts from the ground and then

796
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: flows up towards the target. UM. It's a step by

797
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: step routine that pretty much puts um certain aspects of

798
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: my shot sequence in check UM and it's almost like

799
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 1: a checklist, but it's very it's minimal in what you're

800
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: actually thinking about. A lot of people, Um, they make

801
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: a shot routine that's like load arrow, um, grab release,

802
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: put arrow on you know, put an arrow on rest

803
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like there's almost so many steps

804
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: to where I've already forgot what we're even doing by

805
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: the time you get the bow up to the target.

806
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: You really need to focus on what matters. And that's

807
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: for me, it's my stance, my grip, my shoulder position,

808
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: my anchor, my peep and then in caging the trigger

809
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: and pulling through. If I can do that, then my

810
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: shots do and go where they need to go. If

811
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: I if I change any of those five aspects of

812
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: my shot routine, it immediately has an effect on my

813
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: form and on my posture. And really, posture and bone

814
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: alignment are critical to making good shots go off easy

815
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: or if your postures incorrect, you're you're um. Bad shots

816
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: are going to really be the hardest ones to get

817
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: to happen. You know. I've just found that when you're

818
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: doing everything right and you're in perfect posture without even

819
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: knowing it, you pull back, you get your pin on

820
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: the target. And you just start to think about activating

821
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: or getting your finger by the trigger, and also different

822
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: it goes off and you're like whoa, and then you

823
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: kind of look down there and there it was, right

824
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: in the middle. That's what a good shot should be.

825
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: A good shot should be. We should require the least

826
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: amount of effort, the least amount of energy because you're

827
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: utilizing bone structure, alignment and rhythm for the shot. Versus

828
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: if you have to push and pull and you're hitched

829
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: at the waist and you're trying to dig that thumb

830
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: behind your neck and you're aiming and your pins sitting

831
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: still under the target, but you can't get it on

832
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: the target, and you're sitting there just holding like a

833
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: rock and your bow creased sword and you jerk it

834
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: back again and then you sit there and then finally

835
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: you lift up and punch the trigger. I mean, that

836
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: is an incredible amount of work to get a bow shot.

837
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: You know, you're just you're just that's not the way

838
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be, and and likely a really crappy

839
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: or flight. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. That's I mean, that's

840
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: the things that you need to focus on is having

841
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: that posture measuring that draw lengths properly and having a

842
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: bow fit that's proper to you UM, and really putting

843
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: all those little puzzle pieces together and really going after

844
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: making good shots be the easy ones now, you know,

845
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: with with so many people ramping up now towards hunting

846
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: seasons with openers in a few weeks or a month,

847
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: month and a half something like that, how do you

848
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: recommend people go about their final weeks of practice? Hopefully

849
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: people have been shooting all year or at least for

850
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: a while now, but one way or the other, how

851
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: should most people handle these final three weeks, four weeks,

852
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: five weeks. Are you just practicing normally like you do

853
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: all year or do you have something that switches as

854
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: you get closer to actually getting out there? Well, I

855
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: do what I call selective cycling, and what that is

856
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: is I'd like to focus on different aspects of my

857
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: shooting throughout the year, and certainly right now I've got

858
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: way more emphasis on um making sure that I've got

859
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: twelve arrows that are built perfectly and match perfectly, and

860
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm really focused on making sure my broad heads are

861
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: are um sited in properly, and that my my hunting

862
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: bow is really focused on shooting with intention of having

863
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: UM is accurate of broad heads as I possibly can

864
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: versus UM. You know, a month or a month ago,

865
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: I had a single pin sight on my bow. I

866
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: was just focused on UM, getting high numbers of reps

867
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: and just going out and shooting UM. I think for

868
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: like for me, most of June, UM I shot right

869
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: at about I think three arrows a day was was

870
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: my average UM. And I just really focused on shooting

871
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: like six arrows at a time, and you know, I

872
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: I probably shot I think I didn't shoot every day

873
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: because I think I shot just somewhere around eight thousand

874
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: arrows UM for for June. But it was really a

875
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: month focused on repetition and just building my stamina and

876
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: shooting a lot of arrows and just getting a lot

877
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: of practice in. And then now as I'm getting closer

878
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: to season, I kind of want my my subconscious UM

879
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: to be able to go through the motions of making

880
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: a good shot. I don't want to feel sore and

881
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: all that from from pulling my bow and UM. And

882
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: now I'm just really focused on spending a lot of

883
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: my practice time just making fine tweaks on my equipment

884
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: or building you know, build holding new arrows when I

885
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: have time, and like I said, just shooting my fixed

886
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: pen sights and and really focusing. You know, I'll go

887
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: out and I'll shoot four to six arrows, but I'm

888
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: not shooting them at the same spot. You know, I'll

889
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: I'll just kind of go right down my pens. I'll

890
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: shoot one at twenty one, at thirty one, at forty one,

891
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: at fifty one, at sixty you know. And I really

892
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: like to practice a lot on animals on three D

893
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: targets um. Come June and ur July and August um.

894
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: But like in the middle of the winter or during

895
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: the downtime, you know, that's a great time for people

896
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: to focus on execution with like uh like blank bail

897
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: shooting or just shooting up close. You know, even if

898
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: you can just shoot five or ten yards in the house,

899
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: just focus on having a big target that's up close

900
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: where you're not really aiming at any spot. You're just

901
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: trying to go through the yield of you know, making

902
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: a shot with a surprise release, um. You know. And

903
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: then once outdoors, you know, once it gets nice enough

904
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: to be outdoors, I like to start just shooting at

905
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: some bigger bulls eyes, some like field faces, and just

906
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: kind of working my way into getting used to being

907
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: outside and starting to shoot a little bit longer distances,

908
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: and you know, I just kind of build on it.

909
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't like to just do the same thing all

910
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: the time each month. I try to say, Okay, I'm

911
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: gonna focus on numbers, or I'm gonna focus on one

912
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: arrow at each target. You know, I'm gonna just empty

913
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: my quiver. I'm gonna shoot one arrow at this target,

914
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: one arrow with this target, one arrow with this target,

915
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: and just focus on being able to make good shots

916
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: each and every shot makes sense. That's it's easier said

917
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: than done, though in a lot of ways. And you

918
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: mentioned specifically I'm curious about when you talked about trying

919
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: to make that happen, make each shot count when you've

920
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: got those broadheads on there. That's a big shift for

921
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: a lot of guys and girls. I think is once

922
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: you put a broadhead on things, in many cases change.

923
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: How do you go about getting that tuned in just

924
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: before or you know, whatever it is that you start

925
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: practicing with broadheads. How do you make that shift from

926
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: field tips to broadheads and make sure you're tuned in

927
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: but not have to change things so much from what

928
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: you've been practicing with the rest of the year. Well,

929
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: broadheads are funny, and oftentimes they're not. You know, they'll

930
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: advertise them. A lot of people say field point accurate,

931
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: and it's just that's really not the case. Most of

932
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: them are not field point accurate. Um, they a lot

933
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: of and and that's kind of a padded statement too,

934
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: because some of them are quote unquote field point accurate.

935
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: Because you can get broad edged to group just as

936
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: good as field points, just not in the same place

937
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: as a field point. And you know, so for me,

938
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: me that is really important. If I can get if

939
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: my broadheads are grouping as good as my field points,

940
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: then I'm okay with that. I'll sight in for that. Now,

941
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: if they're planing, meaning you know, they're shooting perfectly center

942
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: at twenty and then they're you know, eight inches left

943
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: at forty and then you know, and then I go

944
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: out to seventy and they're fifteen inches left, Well, then

945
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,959
Speaker 1: there that's an issue for me. You know, I don't

946
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: want to move my site every single distance, but if

947
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm shooting you know, for example, I had this question today,

948
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: someone to send a question for my podcast, and they

949
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: were talking about how with their fixed blade broadheads, they

950
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: we're shooting really really close to their field points until

951
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: about sixty yards then they really started to hit much lower.

952
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: And the reason being is a dexter drag. You know,

953
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: there's blades on there. So the more drag you have,

954
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: the faster that arrow is gonna start slowing down compared

955
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: to a field point. So you really have to make

956
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: sure you are sighting in for broad heads, even if

957
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: you have the best flying or best grouping mechanical head. Um.

958
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: I personally really like rage hypodermics and they're a very

959
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: good flying head, but even a rage hypodermic hits lower

960
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: than my field point at a hundred yards because there

961
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: is more blade. You know, there's more drawing air and

962
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, sucking air around that as it's flying through

963
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: uh those hundred yards. So you know you have to

964
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: you can't be too frustrated because you do have to

965
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: do a little homework when it comes to broadheads. To

966
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: too few of people actually buy an extra pack of

967
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 1: broadheads and then go out and see for themselves where

968
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: they hit. And that's you know, ethics wise, we really

969
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: need to make sure we're doing that as bow hunters. Um.

970
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: But if a bow is if it's grouping as good

971
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: with broadheads as it is with field points, then I'm

972
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: okay with it. I'll just site in for where my

973
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: broadhead's hit, and I can tell you every broadhead is

974
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: going to have a little bit different flight characteristic. I

975
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: personally like to shoot some of the shorter, more compact

976
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: fixed blade heads. I just feel like they fly really well. Um,

977
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: Like I shoot a Muzzy tro Car flies awesome. Um.

978
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: I know that, like a grizz Trick or a solid

979
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: or a G five striker. Um. You know, all these

980
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: are heads that are short, compact, They've got good designs

981
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: and they fly really well. Um. But you know, again,

982
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: when it comes to a mechanical, not all mechanicals are

983
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,479
Speaker 1: made the same. And another thing you have to think about, too,

984
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: is the longer that mechanical. A lot of mechanical heads

985
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: have a very long ferrel. Some are getting really long,

986
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: especially ones that now are kind of have two different

987
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: types of blades on them. The longer the ferreal, the

988
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:31,919
Speaker 1: more that that will start to affect how your arrow

989
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: is flexing. It will start to affect the spine because

990
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: you know, you're taking weight further out towards the end

991
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: of that object that is flexing in a paradox. So

992
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, I've just found that keeping ahead that is,

993
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: is close to the length of my field point or

994
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: my practice point is really really critical. The broadhead thing,

995
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: I think is something that well, obviously it's some thing

996
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: that people debate about it all the time. There's so

997
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: much you know, back and forth between fixed blade or

998
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: mechanical this way or that way to etcetera, etcetera. For

999
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: someone who's relatively new to bow hunting, who maybe hasn't

1000
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: been able to dive into this deep and look at

1001
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: all the nuance, what would you recommend as like the

1002
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: safe bet, like for your new bow hunting buddy, for

1003
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: the average deer hunter. Well, you know, if you had

1004
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: to pick just one that's a safe bet for the

1005
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: average new bow hunter, what would you say is the

1006
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: safest bet, just to make it a simple, simple for

1007
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: this person, what would you say? Well, I just know

1008
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: for me and for me and my family, and you know,

1009
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: I've got i've got a son, and i've got a wife,

1010
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: and I try every kind of broad head on the market.

1011
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: But when it comes to a broadhead that I can

1012
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: screw on that's sharp, that penetrates good with low poundage

1013
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: to high poundage. And also UM one that has very

1014
01:03:55,800 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: sharp blades out of the pack and it is fairly compact. Um.

1015
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: You know, right now, I'm I'm shooting on my setup.

1016
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: If I shoot a fixed plade head, I'm shooting a

1017
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: muzzy tro car. If I'm shooting mechanical, I'm shooting a

1018
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: rage hypodermic or that rage hypodermic plus P, which is

1019
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: a half inch less cutting diameter than the original rage

1020
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: hypodermic UM, so it has and in the blade angles

1021
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: a little, it's not as steep, so it's actually better

1022
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: for penetration on say a bigger animal like moose or elk.

1023
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: And those are two that are just their fool proof

1024
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: they work. Are there other heads that fly like that

1025
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: in different categories? There are, um, But you know, if

1026
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna make me pick one of each, I'm just

1027
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: gonna tell you those are the two that I'm shooting,

1028
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: and I could shoot any brand I on it. Well,

1029
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: I like your answer, John, because I shoot a troke

1030
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: car too, So thanks for validating me. Yeah, Now here's

1031
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: the one question that I have about your answer there.

1032
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: Why would you shoot one or the other. Is it

1033
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: like certain animals you're gonna shoot the expandable, certain animals

1034
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna shoot the fixed Or is it just something

1035
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: that you like to try both and and test out

1036
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: the two different things, or when would you pick the

1037
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: rage versus the troll car in your own hunting situations? Um,

1038
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 1: I personally, I just really am a favor of the rage.

1039
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a favor of and I should I'm a

1040
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: big favor of the hypodermic. I mean, if I'm gonna

1041
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: pinpoint it, um, and be honest, the hypodermic is I've

1042
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: I've probably I've probably taken twenty or more animals in

1043
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: the last few years with that head. UM, And I

1044
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: can tell you that I just, personally, the only reason

1045
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: I would shoot a fixed blade head is if that

1046
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm if I'm really worrying about hitting against bone mass, um,

1047
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: really solid bone mass, just because the blades slide backwards,

1048
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: so they have to travel an inch before they're fully deployed. UM.

1049
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: A lot of those shorter, more compact head like that trocar.

1050
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's gonna that's gonna bust some stuff. But

1051
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: the thing is, if I'm going to hit that main

1052
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: front arm on an elk or on I mean, or

1053
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: on something really big, you're really talking about maybe five

1054
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: to eight percent of the area of that animal. You know,

1055
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: your likelihood of hitting it. You know, it's like probably

1056
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: only eight you know, five or eight percent of the size. Um.

1057
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: Anywhere other than that five or eight percent, I would

1058
01:06:55,160 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: way rather have a large cutting expandable getting in there

1059
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: and causing more damage because even a poor shot, you're

1060
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: going to have a better opportunity than just punching an

1061
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: inch in an eighth or an inch and a quarter

1062
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: fixed blade head through there. Now, if the arrow lodges

1063
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: in and it's stuck in there and as the animals moving,

1064
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: it's continually working, um, then in that case a fixed

1065
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: blade can be better because the mechanical will start to shut.

1066
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: So there's there's so many you know, you we could

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01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: start a discussion or the debate on broadheads and we

1068
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: could still be talking about it this time next year.

1069
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: It's just one of those deals that keeps going. I personally, um,

1070
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: I just I kind of switch off, you know, I

1071
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: switched around. There's just times where maybe I don't want

1072
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: to go with the mechanic goal. And it's certainly if

1073
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: you're shooting lower poundage. A lot of people now are

1074
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: starting to shoot around sixty pounds. UM. All those sixty

1075
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: pounds is enough if you're you know, behind the shoulder

1076
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: in a proper spot. But I can just say that

1077
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:20,919
Speaker 1: if I was, if I was shooting sixty pounds myself, UM,

1078
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: I would probably be shooting a fixed blade broad head

1079
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 1: because you know, with a four green arrow or something

1080
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 1: like that, at you know, sixty to sixty five pounds,

1081
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: you know you're probably gonna be shooting UM somewhere around

1082
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: the mid sixties or something for kinetic energy, depending on

1083
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: your airroweight. And that's just a really good, UM, a

1084
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: really good level to to have a fixed blade head.

1085
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: That's kind of a perfect situation. Or for example, my

1086
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: wife and my son, UM, they both shoot fixed blade

1087
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: heads because they both shoot UM. One shoots forty pounds,

1088
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: one shots forty five pounds, So they just need that

1089
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:09,640
Speaker 1: fixed blade head that's kind of cutting sooner and going in. UM,

1090
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: it just seems like the penetration and having that immediate

1091
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: cut or if it's lodged in their halfway, UM, it's

1092
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: it's still doing work for you and they've just had

1093
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: great success with that. Whereas someone that's shooting seventy year pounds,

1094
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: a big mechanical is going to have a lot of

1095
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: advantages for sure, especially when you get the higher speeds. UM,

1096
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: it's just going to be important that you have something

1097
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 1: that has better ballistic characteristics UM for better aero flight

1098
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: at a higher speed so to speak. All right, well,

1099
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,799
Speaker 1: we are about to shift gears away from talking archery

1100
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: and over to talking white tails. But before we do that,

1101
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 1: speaking of white tails, we need to thank our partner

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01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: at the white Tail Institute of North America for supporting

1103
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: this podcast. And if you're listening to this right now

1104
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: at the beginning of September, there is possibly still time

1105
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: for you to get a food plot in the ground.

1106
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: And if that's something you're trying to do, annuals are

1107
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: probably what you want to be planting. So to help

1108
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 1: us better understand what annuals are and how you can

1109
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: use them, here's White Tail Institute employee John Cooner Right.

1110
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: Annuals are probably the most the most diverse in terms

1111
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: of what you can do with them. Uh, if you

1112
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: have a smaller property, some folks will plant perennials. Some

1113
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 1: folks will plant just annuals, and you can really do

1114
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 1: well on just annual plannings, especially on smaller properties. Uh,

1115
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: the annuals tend to grow. And this is just a

1116
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: big macro statement. They're not all like this, but most

1117
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: annual deer forages will grow more quickly because they're designed.

1118
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: Rather than the designed to last for multiple years, they

1119
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 1: just spend everything they have during the period for which

1120
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: they're designed to be planted. Uh. That could be spring

1121
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 1: and summer for ant ord growth. And you've got a

1122
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: fall fall is that you can put it in the

1123
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 1: fall that will be there. Uh. Some well some components

1124
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 1: will run probably into the following summer. But they're really

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01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: designed to just hammer that certain time of year and

1126
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: and uh that that could be early fall through late

1127
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 1: hunting season. Another case it could be early fall through winter,

1128
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: and another one early fall and then well into the

1129
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: spring and probably has something left in the summer. So

1130
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: there to answer your question, they are a great way

1131
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: to target a specific time of year when you're trying

1132
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: to deliver either attraction or nutrition or both to the deer.

1133
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 1: So for me up here in Michigan right now is

1134
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: one of the very best times to plant one of

1135
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 1: my favorite annuals. White Tail Institutes a variation of oats

1136
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: which I just recently got in the ground here on

1137
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: my main Michigan property. So if you'd like to try

1138
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: to get a last minute food plot or learn more

1139
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: about White Tail Institute's food plot options, you can visit

1140
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: Whitetail Institute dot com. And now back to the show. Yeah,

1141
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: like you said, it's one of those topics that we

1142
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: could we could go around circles and talk about for

1143
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: hours and hours and hours, but that's definitely helpful. I think, um,

1144
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: those two options, they are the hypodermic where the tro

1145
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 1: car are great places to start for someone who's just

1146
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: starting to wrap their head around this whole topic. But

1147
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: I want to shift gears now two deer, because I

1148
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: know that's what your where your heads at probably here

1149
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 1: momentarily when you need to check those cameras. And one

1150
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: of the favorite things I've ever one of one of

1151
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: my favorite stories I ever heard might be your story

1152
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: about a decoy incident. You had a hunt with a

1153
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: decoy where you actually were walking away from a crappy

1154
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 1: tree stand, carrying your decoy back to the truck. I

1155
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: want to hear about your decoy strategy, but first, can

1156
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: you give us like a short version of that story

1157
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: and then kind of go into detail about how you

1158
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: typically use decoys to have success, because I love that

1159
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: story and how you seemed to be doing pretty well

1160
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: with that tactic too. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because I'm

1161
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 1: actually standing right next to that deer right now as

1162
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: you're saying that I was walked into my archery room. Um.

1163
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, UM, so what happened was I was I

1164
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: was hunting with a friend of mine, um, actually here

1165
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 1: in Iowa. Um it was before I lived here, and

1166
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: I went out and I had had several times were

1167
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 1: they sent me the tree stands that were definitely less

1168
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: than preferred. Um. Some were just hung crooked somewhere didn't

1169
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: seem safe to get into. So UM, I had kind

1170
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: of got to the point where I had just said, listen,

1171
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: I just want to go somewhere where I can sit

1172
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: and be comfortable for the day. You know, just just

1173
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 1: I don't even care if it's a good spot. Just

1174
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: put me in a spot where it's safe to get

1175
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: in the tree and I can sit there for a

1176
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: long period of time. Did you have seats falling off

1177
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 1: a tree stands and stuff happening on some of your

1178
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: earlier hunt. Well, it was actually that the well they said,

1179
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: they said, we'll send you to a stand that anybody

1180
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: can hunt out of it. He said, a matter of fact,

1181
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 1: a girl hunted out of it last week. And I said, okay,

1182
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 1: well that's fine. So I went there and he kind

1183
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: of told me, you know, you're gonna go across this

1184
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 1: You're gonna go along this crp field and across this

1185
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,759
Speaker 1: alfalfa field. And then when you get across the alfalfa field,

1186
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: you know, the timber makes a point and right where

1187
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 1: that point is, there's a tree stand right in there.

1188
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: And he said, you know those deer like the come

1189
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 1: around that point as they're feeding along in the alfalfa.

1190
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: So I said all right, And I also told him,

1191
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: I said, well, you know, based off of what I'm seeing,

1192
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: I really want to take a decoy too. And that

1193
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 1: was part of why, you know, we picked this spot,

1194
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: because um, you know, putting the decoy in the area

1195
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: where they're visible is important. So you know, I went

1196
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: out there and it was probably a good half mile

1197
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: walk or more so had my you know, and it's

1198
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: it's November tenth and fifteen somewhere in there. Um, and

1199
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: it's cold, and I've got a ton of clothes on

1200
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: and I'm going in for the day. So I've got

1201
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: my decoy, camera gear, my bow. You know, I'm I'm

1202
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: loaded down. I'm trying to to walk and carry this

1203
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: plastic decoy and not make noise. And you know, I

1204
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: literally get out there and I kind of look up

1205
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: and I see this old this stand up there, and

1206
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 1: he had told me, he said it's he said, this

1207
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 1: stands nice. It's one of those api s has a

1208
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: twister seat on it. So I'm just like, okay, I

1209
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: looked it had a twister seat on it, but like

1210
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't the round ones that they come with. I

1211
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: could tell it was squares, So I thought, you all right,

1212
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 1: you know they improvised. But you know, I got my

1213
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 1: decoy out, went over the tree, put all my clothes on, uh,

1214
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: you know, went up the tree, kind of got my

1215
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: bow up there, and you know, tied off all my

1216
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: camera gear to the cords, went up the tree, and

1217
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: as I was grabbing the seat to pull myself on,

1218
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 1: the whole seat ripped off in my hand and I

1219
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: was just like, you've got to be kidding me, because

1220
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: then it's just a post sitting there. So I'm like looking,

1221
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, am I gonna stand the you know,

1222
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: the whole hunt. And so I had just kinda I

1223
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 1: had had it. It had been you know, because back

1224
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 1: then I had one week of vacation time at at work,

1225
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: and by this point, for four days I had had

1226
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 1: watch hunts. Because this you know, I was at the

1227
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: mercy of someone else's tree stand hanging and I ended

1228
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 1: up getting out of the tree. I was just like,

1229
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: that's it. I need to just go take a deep

1230
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 1: breath or hang my own stand somewhere or something. So

1231
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:25,719
Speaker 1: I just, um, I kind of grabbed the deer and

1232
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: I pulled the stakes out, and I, you know, laid

1233
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: the deer down. I went over and got my backpack

1234
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: and I started taking my gear off again so I

1235
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't sweat so bad walking out. And I was just

1236
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 1: starting to leave, and as I started to leave, I

1237
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: looked up on a tree that was actually right on

1238
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 1: the edge of that point and there's like a brand new,

1239
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 1: perfectly good, um api tree stand right there. So I

1240
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I picked the wrong one. So I

1241
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: went back and put the decoy back up, got dressed again,

1242
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: went over the tree, and then literally, as I'm going

1243
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: to get on the tree, I look and there isn't

1244
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:19,680
Speaker 1: a single tree peg or stuff or nothing like Evidcity.

1245
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: Someone had put that tree stand up and either took

1246
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: their pegs or whatever. So I was just like, you

1247
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: got to be kidding me, And this is you know,

1248
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: this is like the middle of the day. So I

1249
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: ended up this time, I ended up taking my crap off,

1250
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: jamming it in my pack, and I walked up and

1251
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 1: I literally grabbed the decoy around the waist and just

1252
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: ripped it out of the ground. And I was walking.

1253
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 1: I was like stomping mad across the south southa field

1254
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: with four steaks dangling out of the bottom of a

1255
01:18:54,840 --> 01:19:00,040
Speaker 1: plastic flamboy decoy. So I mean they're rattling around and

1256
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 1: and clunking around, and I mean I'm just carrying this

1257
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: thing with like the steaks hanging out of its feet.

1258
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 1: And as I'm going I look over and right in

1259
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 1: the crp, you know, maybe seventy eight yards here's this

1260
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: buck and it's like looking at me. And I mean

1261
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: it's looking right at me. So and it was big.

1262
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 1: It's you know, twenty two inches wide, it's you know,

1263
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 1: it's a hundred mid one fifties, upper one fifties deer.

1264
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 1: And I look. I'm like, well, there's a good deer.

1265
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: And I turned and just kept walking because I'm like, yeah,

1266
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: that's how you know. I figured I had stood him

1267
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 1: up or something. So I walk a couple more steps

1268
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 1: and then I looked back and he's like almost to

1269
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: the edge of the alfalfa, just coming right at me.

1270
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: So I stopped and I look at him, and I

1271
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: can see his ears are pinned back. So I'm like,

1272
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: holy crap, eat, you know, he thinks I'm here. So

1273
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 1: I set the I literally se at the decoy on

1274
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: the ground, and you know, because the stakes were still

1275
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: like through its feet, it wasn't real stable. So I'm

1276
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 1: like leaning against my shoulder and I'm digging through my pack,

1277
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 1: like throwing jackets and shirts out of my pack in

1278
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: order to get figure out where the heck I put

1279
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 1: my release. So I get in there and I'm like

1280
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: throwing this stuff over my shoulder. I get in there

1281
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: and find my release. I put my release on. I

1282
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: look over the decoy and he's like fifty yards, I

1283
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: mean like fifty yards just ears pinned back, hairs bristled up.

1284
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:43,719
Speaker 1: He's posture and coming in sideways. So I tell myself,

1285
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, you can't, like you need to stay behind

1286
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 1: the decoy, because I'm in my mind, I'm thinking, do

1287
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: the same thing as when you're antelope punting. You know,

1288
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 1: you stay behind the decoy even though you are behind it.

1289
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 1: They don't put two and two together. So I try

1290
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: to draw my bow while I'm behind the decoy, and

1291
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 1: about the time I get the three quarter draw, I

1292
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 1: pushed the decoy and it literally falls straight over and

1293
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 1: hits the ground. And I should have just ripped my

1294
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 1: bow back and shot, but I was literally at full draw,

1295
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: and when that thing was going I let up and

1296
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: like threw my bow down and like tried to grab

1297
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,679
Speaker 1: it to like, you know, to like not let myself

1298
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 1: be sitting in the middle of the field as if

1299
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: all this other stuff was making any sense anyway. So

1300
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: then I grabbed the decoy, picked it back up, and

1301
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 1: the buck then started like slobbery, and he's licking his

1302
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 1: nose and now he's like twenty five yards coming, I mean,

1303
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 1: like he's coming to ram this thing. So I took

1304
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 1: my bow, I put it over the top of the decoy,

1305
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: I drew back, and when I drew back, I could

1306
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 1: only get to about three quarter full draw, and the

1307
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:06,679
Speaker 1: decoy was just smashed between my string and my body

1308
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 1: and I could not lean my body in any way

1309
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: to get my bow to full draw. And I lived,

1310
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm like going through this and by

1311
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 1: the time I realized, like I'm looking down trying to

1312
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 1: figure out what the string stuck on. And by the

1313
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: time I realized, listen, I'm not going to get this

1314
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 1: bow to full draw and there's no way I can

1315
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 1: like redo any of this. So I look up at

1316
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 1: the deer and the buck was at fifteen yards. He

1317
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 1: was just literally quartering, like quartering pretty hard, or like

1318
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 1: quartering to me to broadside side, stepping in with his

1319
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: head like load to the ground, fully turned ears pinned back,

1320
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 1: and I just just raise my release aid right up

1321
01:22:57,400 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 1: to the side of my eye and just looked right

1322
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: down arrow and just let it and it freaking stuck

1323
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 1: him and he went like he just literally kind of hot,

1324
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:15,799
Speaker 1: started hobbling and went like I don't know, maybe fifteen

1325
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: yards and then just fell over right there in that field,

1326
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 1: and it was the only time. You know, normally, I

1327
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: don't like it. I personally don't like it when I

1328
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 1: see people on TV that are like screaming when they

1329
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: shoot something. You know, I think a lot of it

1330
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 1: might might be a production type, you know, a lot

1331
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: of it could be dramatized. But this was legitimate. Like

1332
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 1: I just said, oh my god, did you see that?

1333
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 1: Like as if anyone was out there, And I was

1334
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 1: just like screaming, like thank you Lord. I can't freaking

1335
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: believe it. I'm like yelling, I'm just like, did anyone

1336
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 1: see that? And yeah? That was it? That was That

1337
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: was probably the craziest decoy um encounter I've ever been

1338
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 1: part of. Certainly, I gotta believe it's it's got to

1339
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,640
Speaker 1: be right up there towards the craziest decoy encounters or

1340
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 1: any kind of connor maybe that anyone's had. I mean,

1341
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: that's that's crazy. That is an absolutely crazy situation. Now,

1342
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: how do you usually pull off a decoy hunt? How

1343
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:32,759
Speaker 1: do you usually? I don't think this is your typical setup, right, No? No, yeah,

1344
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 1: that was more of like a moose like a moose encounter. Um.

1345
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 1: So typically what I do is with and I have.

1346
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:48,600
Speaker 1: I actually have three designated decoy areas here where I

1347
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 1: hunt on some of the different places I've got here

1348
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 1: in Iowa. And what I really look for is I

1349
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: look for an area that allows me to be in

1350
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: cover m and also allows the decoy to be in

1351
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:12,440
Speaker 1: a high visibility area that is also a high traffic

1352
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 1: area during the rut, like for example, UM. One one

1353
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: situation that I'm thinking of is I've actually got this

1354
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:26,879
Speaker 1: food plot that is, you know, it's just a regular

1355
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:30,679
Speaker 1: food plot. It's kind of a rectangular shape, two acres

1356
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 1: on the one long end, and I actually have a

1357
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: decoy set up for both ends of this field. So

1358
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 1: what I'll wait for is a wind that would put

1359
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: the wind directly into my face, which for this particular field,

1360
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 1: and east wind, which is fairly uncommon, but UM, for

1361
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: this particular if I do have an east wind, when

1362
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 1: the timing is right, this has been notoriously my best

1363
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 1: spot because this food plot is built up on a crown,

1364
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: and there's on one side of the crown there's a

1365
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 1: deep draw that goes into a big cedar thicket, and

1366
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 1: then on the other side of the crown there's also

1367
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 1: another draw that feeds all the way through like a

1368
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 1: timber system that runs way off through my neighbors and

1369
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:25,639
Speaker 1: everything like that. So really what's happening is these bucks

1370
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 1: when they start covering ground, they're coming up out of

1371
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: these draws and they're just like they just kind of

1372
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 1: appear into food plot. They look around a lot of times.

1373
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: They're not eating, you know, they're not eating. They're just

1374
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: the crossover and they'll go into the next area. You know,

1375
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:44,440
Speaker 1: you have those spots where you always see bucks just crossing.

1376
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 1: They're never staying there, but they're crossing. These are really

1377
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 1: good areas for decoys because you know that there's going

1378
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,759
Speaker 1: to be traffic and you know you have the ability

1379
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 1: to put it in an area where you're able to

1380
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 1: to see or the you know, the you're able to see.

1381
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 1: And from there, what I do is I really focus

1382
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 1: on putting the decoys um about thirty yards in front

1383
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: of me with their wind blowing directly towards me, and

1384
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: I'll face them facing directly towards me and my tree.

1385
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 1: So what that does is when these bucks will come

1386
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: up and they'll pop into these these open pockets, they'll

1387
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 1: see that deer and then what they'll do is they're

1388
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 1: gonna try to get down wind of that decoy. I mean,

1389
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 1: they're always going to try to get down wind first.

1390
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 1: And they also really like to approach a decoy at

1391
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 1: the direction that they're facing. So a lot of times

1392
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: when they come up and they'll see that decoy and

1393
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 1: it'll be like kind of facing you know, it'll be

1394
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 1: like looking directly under my stand into the timberline or

1395
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 1: the field that's behind me. A lot of times the

1396
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 1: year just going to assume that that decoy has the

1397
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 1: attention of maybe a bedded dough or something in that

1398
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 1: fence line, or maybe even a dough that's bedded in,

1399
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, the field behind me. And what they'll do

1400
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:16,640
Speaker 1: is the bucks just always just go right to the

1401
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 1: edge of the food plot and they'll follow that taller

1402
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 1: grass along the edge of the food plot, and then

1403
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 1: they'll button hook right around and they'll really utilize the

1404
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 1: edge of that cover um and try to split the

1405
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 1: difference kind of between me and the tree and that decoy.

1406
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 1: They'll kind of come in right on the outer edge

1407
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 1: of that that cover. They feel safe, like they can

1408
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 1: jump in there and and be gone if they don't

1409
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: like something about it. And as they button hook around

1410
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 1: you the entire time, they're gonna be looking right at

1411
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: that decoy. They're looking at it, and until they hit

1412
01:28:56,840 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: the wind of that decoy, you have a great opportunity

1413
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 1: entity to be able to to make a shot as

1414
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 1: long as you know that that wind is blowing directly

1415
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,640
Speaker 1: to you. So as long as that that buck is

1416
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 1: button hooking around, you've pretty much got until that that

1417
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 1: deer gets directly down wind of your decoy, um for

1418
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 1: you to make your shot. And it's it's worked incredible. Um.

1419
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 1: You know, I really like to focus on the times

1420
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: of year. Um when the first like when the first

1421
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 1: part of the ruck gets going, like where you have one,

1422
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: maybe one or two does that have come into heat,

1423
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 1: um and you know it seems like, you know, you

1424
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:42,559
Speaker 1: maybe see that first dough get bread and every buck

1425
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: in the country's honor um. Normally, right after that things

1426
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 1: kind of break loose and these bucks are really going

1427
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 1: to be looking for does. And you also find out

1428
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 1: that during that first part of the rut, most food

1429
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 1: plots are like vacant, like does are gonna come out

1430
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 1: and show themselves because they know they're gonna get harassed.

1431
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 1: So when a buck comes out and sees the dough

1432
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 1: and it's standing there. They're gonna do that same thing.

1433
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,679
Speaker 1: So during the first part of the rut, I'll decoy

1434
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: with the dough. But then once you get into the

1435
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 1: middle of the rut, or and then towards the tail

1436
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 1: end of the rut, I really like having a buck decoy,

1437
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:32,679
Speaker 1: or I like having a buck decoy during the pre rut.

1438
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 1: You know, there's a time where that velvet comes off

1439
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: and right before the scrape start getting made. Um, a

1440
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 1: lot of you know, a lot of bucks will start

1441
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 1: to kind of they'll start to fight a little bit,

1442
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 1: and you know, you might be in the woods and

1443
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,639
Speaker 1: start to hear your first fight of the of the

1444
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 1: of the year. And that's a good time to try

1445
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: a book decoy as well. But really the recipe is

1446
01:30:55,520 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 1: always get it um about thirty yards in front of

1447
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 1: yea with it facing you, wind blowing right directly towards you.

1448
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 1: You want to be in some cover, um. You know,

1449
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: it's nice to have. You know, a lot of times

1450
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:13,639
Speaker 1: I like to be towards one end of a food

1451
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 1: plot or another. That way, if deer come in the

1452
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:19,600
Speaker 1: food plot, um, you know they can even if that

1453
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:21,759
Speaker 1: things down there on the end. A lot of times,

1454
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 1: if it's facing out of the food plot, the other

1455
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 1: animals won't get all freaked out by it. If it's

1456
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 1: just staying there, you know, they don't pay attention. Now

1457
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 1: if it's if you're facing away from you and it's

1458
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: looking into the middle of the food plot and stuff

1459
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 1: comes out, well, everything is just gonna start looking right

1460
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 1: at it, and when it doesn't move, they're going to

1461
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 1: have a problem with it. So that's kind of why

1462
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 1: I like to keep it off to the side. And

1463
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, it might not be as noticeable, but if

1464
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:54,720
Speaker 1: you have a grunt tube, you can always seem to

1465
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 1: at least get something to look that way, and and

1466
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: and then once they're looking that way, they're gonna they're

1467
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 1: going to take notice. It seems like, you know, decoy

1468
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 1: is kind of one of those higher risk, higher reward

1469
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 1: types of moves where it can definitely help be that

1470
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 1: kind of closing deal that or that helps connect the

1471
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:15,720
Speaker 1: dots to finally bring in that buck that might be

1472
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 1: out of range. But also there's the risk you could

1473
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 1: spook dear. I mean, if you had to put a

1474
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 1: percentage on how often this sends up spooking dear versus

1475
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,560
Speaker 1: helping you, you know, risk versus reward. How would you

1476
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 1: break it down? Is it like at kind of thing

1477
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 1: or is it more one way or the other? Well,

1478
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:42,520
Speaker 1: I can tell you, um, if you're really serious about it. Uh.

1479
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 1: I made an investment years ago in I made an

1480
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:56,679
Speaker 1: investment to to buy an actual stuffed decoy and it

1481
01:32:56,920 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 1: has made a huge difference and how it makes or

1482
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 1: breaks a hunt for whatever reason. Um, if it has

1483
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 1: hair on it, like if it's a natural you know,

1484
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 1: and you can get a mounted deer for about a

1485
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 1: thousand bucks and you know, and it's it's double what

1486
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:23,680
Speaker 1: a normal decoy is. Um. But I can tell you

1487
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 1: if it has hair on it, it's not gonna scare anything. Um,

1488
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 1: they come out. I mean I've had fawns bed around it,

1489
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 1: you know. They it's like, for whatever reason, it's like

1490
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:40,720
Speaker 1: a totally different world. Now next in line is going

1491
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 1: to be my Dave Smith decoy. I've killed a lot

1492
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:50,719
Speaker 1: of bucks over my Dave Smith decoy. Um. Obviously, what's

1493
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:54,640
Speaker 1: nice about that is it just I think the posture

1494
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 1: of it and the realism of it. You really need

1495
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 1: to use it as a buck decoy or so than

1496
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 1: the dope because of the position of it. But um,

1497
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 1: it is plastic, so it's much easier to travel with.

1498
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:11,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you can jam it, you can put it

1499
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 1: in the back of your truck and pile a bunch

1500
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 1: of other year around it. And if it's raining, you're fine.

1501
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:20,719
Speaker 1: Or if you take it through a real wet field,

1502
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 1: you know, or if you want to lay it down

1503
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 1: and leave it overnight. Um that's kind of the advantage.

1504
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 1: See what I have is I've actually got like I said,

1505
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 1: I've got three designated decoy spots, and over the years,

1506
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 1: I've acquired different decoys that try different ones. And what

1507
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 1: I do is like on some of my areas where

1508
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 1: I know, I'm really going to focus on using a

1509
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 1: buck decoy. My David Smith decoy just stays there because

1510
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 1: you know it, I think your scent is off of

1511
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 1: it after a few days of being outside and it's

1512
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 1: just kind of laid down in a spot and has um,

1513
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 1: you know, kind of have has a cover over it

1514
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 1: to where it's not um really exposed. But then I

1515
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 1: can just go to that stand, put it up, and

1516
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: it's ready to go. It doesn't matter if it gets

1517
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 1: rained on. It's just much more durable and friendly, you know,

1518
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 1: for use, whereas the stuffed ones there you know, it's

1519
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 1: like having a deer mount. You know, you can't just

1520
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 1: beat it around. You have to you really have to

1521
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 1: be careful with it. So but I can tell you

1522
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 1: that those two are probably among the best. Now, that

1523
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 1: decoy story that I told you earlier was with the

1524
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:43,719
Speaker 1: Flamboat Flambeaux decoy UM, and it was a buck decoy.

1525
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 1: And like I said, I think that was UM for

1526
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:53,519
Speaker 1: sure late in the second week of November. So you know,

1527
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 1: I've I've had good luck with them. I mean, if

1528
01:35:56,000 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 1: you're if you're a specific troph the buck hunter, UM,

1529
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 1: and I'm talking you know, like that that buck I

1530
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:11,639
Speaker 1: killed is um could be one of the bigger bucks.

1531
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:15,639
Speaker 1: Well no, I actually I shot a little bit bigger

1532
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 1: dear than that off the Dave Smith decoy. UM. But

1533
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 1: for the most part, if you're if you're really a

1534
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:32,599
Speaker 1: supermature buck hunter specifically, then sometimes you know you might

1535
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 1: have trouble fool in a seven year old. You know

1536
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 1: a lot of those seven year old bucks they're just

1537
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 1: they're not going to play those kinds of games for

1538
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,920
Speaker 1: the girls. But you know, you're talking you know, for

1539
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 1: the longest time, and even now, you know, if the

1540
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:48,760
Speaker 1: right three and a half year old comes by me,

1541
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 1: I shoot it. I mean, I'm not. I'm not. I'm

1542
01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:56,639
Speaker 1: not a year, five year, six year seven only guy.

1543
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:01,599
Speaker 1: That's just me. Um. You know, there's there's certain deer

1544
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 1: that I that I just like. And you know, if

1545
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,680
Speaker 1: I do a lot of homework and I'm doing it

1546
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 1: and I don't own enough property to where I can

1547
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 1: tell you that if I pass that deer up, he's

1548
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 1: gonna be there next year. Um, you know, I can

1549
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 1: tell you those kinds of deear three and four year

1550
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 1: old deer, you can certainly kill over a decoy. But

1551
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:27,680
Speaker 1: I think once you get to six and seven year

1552
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 1: old bucks, they're just way more likely to have their

1553
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 1: designated little areas where they where they kind of always

1554
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 1: go round up their dough. They take them there, and

1555
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 1: then they kind of protect their little area. They kind

1556
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 1: of you know, do their little bullfighting technique. They'll get

1557
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 1: that dough in the middle of their little area that

1558
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 1: they like and then they kind of just you know,

1559
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:53,639
Speaker 1: protect other bucks from coming within that area. And then

1560
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 1: a lot of the more mature doughs over the years

1561
01:37:56,640 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 1: of being with that local buck. They kind and know

1562
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 1: that routine. You know. I've had a few, Uh, I've

1563
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:08,639
Speaker 1: had a few different books that I've encountered that I've

1564
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 1: really always tried to get. But during the rut, they're

1565
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 1: just kind of always in those little pockets where they're

1566
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 1: kind of in the middle of nothing. But they're there

1567
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 1: all the time, and it just seems like the only

1568
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 1: time they're not in those areas where they can kind

1569
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 1: of see everything here everything, Um. Then there they're on

1570
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 1: their feet. They kind of make their pass through the timber,

1571
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,320
Speaker 1: and you know, they'll make a run through a place

1572
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 1: and as soon as they find a dough they'll kind

1573
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:36,800
Speaker 1: of hurt her out and try to get her out

1574
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 1: in that open um. So those bucks are just a

1575
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 1: lot tougher for this. But I can certainly tell you

1576
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 1: if you're just a person that just loves hunting and

1577
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 1: shooting and have an action, you can certainly have action.

1578
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 1: My best day ever, um was actually in that field

1579
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:59,600
Speaker 1: that I talked about, UM, a rectangular field. It was

1580
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:02,559
Speaker 1: a first time I ever hunted it. I went in

1581
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 1: with a decoy. UM. I knew that I had an

1582
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:10,639
Speaker 1: east wind, which kind of sucked, UM, but I knew.

1583
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, that's an Actually it's a good decoy

1584
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:16,559
Speaker 1: spot on east wind. There's a stand there. I'm not

1585
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 1: gonna I didn't have any any like uh stands in

1586
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 1: the timber or any thick stuff for an east wind.

1587
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:28,559
Speaker 1: This My stand was actually on a fence line, which

1588
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: normally would kind of stink. But I knew that it

1589
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 1: was a crossover area, so I kind of thought, well,

1590
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my decoy there. Face it, bucks aren't

1591
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:42,640
Speaker 1: gonna use his fence line to travel, but if they

1592
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 1: hit this field, they're probably gonna swing. They'll use the

1593
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 1: fence line to swing under downwind of this decoy, and

1594
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:52,719
Speaker 1: let's see how it works. And I remember I decoyed

1595
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:59,600
Speaker 1: two bucks and one day, and I'm talkings there was

1596
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 1: a hot dough that was just zip zipping up and

1597
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:05,679
Speaker 1: over that field constantly, and every time a new buck

1598
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 1: would come up, you know, especially when I think there

1599
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 1: was one buck fighting off several smaller bucks. So as

1600
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 1: all that would happen, as soon as the deer would

1601
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 1: kind of follow that old scent trail of hers, they'd

1602
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 1: come into the field and then all of a sudden

1603
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:22,160
Speaker 1: they look and boom, there's a buck staring into the

1604
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 1: fence line, so they're just assuming, okay, that does right

1605
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:28,679
Speaker 1: over there, and they just come right in read the tech.

1606
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be perfect. Every one of them worked

1607
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 1: the edge of the field, came in, ended up broadside

1608
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,800
Speaker 1: fifteen yards right underneath me, and then as soon as

1609
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 1: they'd hit the wind of the decoy, they you know,

1610
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 1: the younger bucks would kind of look around like what's

1611
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 1: going on. The more mature bucks as soon as they

1612
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:50,560
Speaker 1: hit the down wind they're gone. But there was always

1613
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:53,879
Speaker 1: that time where you could have got a shot because

1614
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 1: of the layout. Now, currently, if I'm wrong, as I've

1615
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,880
Speaker 1: always understood it and seen from some of my own

1616
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:03,920
Speaker 1: experiences to it, seems like this is one of those

1617
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 1: types of tactics that's going to work better in areas

1618
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 1: of relatively lower hunting pressure with a better age structure

1619
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 1: mature bucks like this could work in a property in Iowa, Kansas,

1620
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 1: Illinois where there's a lot of older deer and a

1621
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:19,000
Speaker 1: little bit fewer hunters, but maybe upstate New York or whatever,

1622
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 1: where there's tons of guys and lots of young bucks.

1623
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 1: This is gonna be something that's not going to work

1624
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:25,760
Speaker 1: as well that's what I've seen. Have you heard or

1625
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:30,160
Speaker 1: seen similar things? Well, I think it's a lot of

1626
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 1: that comes down to, you know, what your local deer

1627
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 1: heard is experiencing. You know, if if if a lot

1628
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:42,400
Speaker 1: of people are putting decoys out, and especially people that

1629
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:45,720
Speaker 1: are getting in the habit of like aggressively calling at

1630
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:50,559
Speaker 1: deer um and then the deer come over and realize, okay,

1631
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:54,679
Speaker 1: well the decoy stinks and something's not right, then yeah,

1632
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:59,439
Speaker 1: I mean they start to get educated and kind of crazy.

1633
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:02,600
Speaker 1: But I can tell you that younger dear are going

1634
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:08,080
Speaker 1: to fall fall for this way more often than mature dear.

1635
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:11,559
Speaker 1: So I mean, if you're in Pennsylvania and you're totally

1636
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 1: cool shooting the four corn, I mean this is like,

1637
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:20,720
Speaker 1: you know, four corns, the basket racts. It's a guarantee,

1638
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 1: you know it. Now you have to the more mature

1639
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:29,760
Speaker 1: dear three four years old. The timing needs to be right,

1640
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, they need to be in the mood for fighting,

1641
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:40,599
Speaker 1: sniffing or fighting again. You know, that's that's the mood

1642
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 1: that a mature deer will be in. Now, a lot

1643
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:46,559
Speaker 1: of the younger deer, at least in my experiences, a

1644
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 1: lot of deer come to deer, and if a younger

1645
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:53,639
Speaker 1: buck hasn't experienced the decoy yet, you're more You're way

1646
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 1: more likely to have them come in and smell it

1647
01:42:57,120 --> 01:42:59,639
Speaker 1: and kind of run off and then look back at

1648
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:03,160
Speaker 1: it with the hell and yeah, I think stinks like

1649
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:07,080
Speaker 1: a person, but it looks like a deer, and then

1650
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 1: they may go back. I mean that's what I found. Um.

1651
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 1: You know another thing is I really like to uh,

1652
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:20,160
Speaker 1: I really like to get fresh hawks. You know, if

1653
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 1: you can, if if you do shoot a dough like

1654
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 1: right during the peak of the rut, you know, before

1655
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 1: you get those things bloody your tainted, cut those hawks off,

1656
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:35,040
Speaker 1: put them in a bag and I normally just kind

1657
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:38,560
Speaker 1: of I normally set them just use my gloves, but

1658
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:42,919
Speaker 1: set them right on the forehead of of my decoy.

1659
01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 1: And that works really really good. And I use buck

1660
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:48,719
Speaker 1: ones too. If a buddy of mine shoots a buck

1661
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 1: during the rut, I'll be like, hey, can I get

1662
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:56,600
Speaker 1: those hawks, and I'll cut the hawks off because obviously, um,

1663
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 1: you know, obviously it really really helps if you leave

1664
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 1: it ecoy out where it's getting a lot of unnatural

1665
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:07,080
Speaker 1: scent washed off it naturally and then you are able

1666
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:09,240
Speaker 1: to set it up and put those on there. It

1667
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 1: makes a huge difference for how long the deers sit

1668
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:14,479
Speaker 1: there and think about it. And I've had times where

1669
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 1: even mature, you know, three year old deer, I've seen

1670
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:24,599
Speaker 1: him go up and like sniff the decoy's forehead like god, damn,

1671
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:28,439
Speaker 1: you use your forehead smells like this, you know, and

1672
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:31,960
Speaker 1: kind of back up and look at them and be like, wait,

1673
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:35,559
Speaker 1: yeah it was that his forehead. Yeah, let me go

1674
01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:40,839
Speaker 1: in again and smelling. I mean, Um, but certain areas,

1675
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I grew up. I grew

1676
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:49,200
Speaker 1: up in the Mississippi Delta, so uh redneck having it's

1677
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, you you hunt anywhere from there over to Alabama,

1678
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 1: it's you know, there's deer that are that are just

1679
01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 1: so smart they don't even see day like because they've

1680
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 1: grown up having read next chasing around. Um. But I

1681
01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:10,519
Speaker 1: can tell you I've had success in Mississippi. Um, I've

1682
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:15,480
Speaker 1: had success all through the Midwest, um with the decoy,

1683
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:19,800
Speaker 1: and I don't know I've had I've had success. You know,

1684
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 1: I wear a decoy hat when I elkhunt. I wear

1685
01:45:22,240 --> 01:45:26,760
Speaker 1: one when I mule deer hunt. And I'm I'm a

1686
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:30,240
Speaker 1: believer in it, you know. I think if you're if

1687
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:33,759
Speaker 1: the decoy is not moving and a mature doe comes out,

1688
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna wish you you were able to shoot that dough.

1689
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 1: They're always the ones to get you in trouble. I

1690
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:46,559
Speaker 1: can agree, but I can tell you mature if you

1691
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:50,759
Speaker 1: have a fully stuffed decoy. I've had mature dough. I've

1692
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:54,120
Speaker 1: got Actually, last year I took video. I had fourteen

1693
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:59,679
Speaker 1: does within ten yards of my stuff decoy. Last year, Um,

1694
01:45:59,680 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 1: I put a decoy out I think around October, and

1695
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 1: all the does came out fed all the way around

1696
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:12,320
Speaker 1: the decoy three n sixty degrees. A couple of fonts

1697
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:15,479
Speaker 1: like stray fonds came into the field later on, and

1698
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 1: I think two or three of them ended up bedding

1699
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:23,320
Speaker 1: down right underneath it. So that that makes the world

1700
01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:25,519
Speaker 1: of a difference. If it would have been like a

1701
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:31,800
Speaker 1: fully erect alert looking plastic one, then that wouldn't have

1702
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 1: gone over too good. Yeah for sure. Now one quick

1703
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 1: clarifying question. When you were mentioned you're cutting off the

1704
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 1: hawks on a deer, you're talking about the Tarska blands, right, Yeah,

1705
01:46:42,280 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 1: so that that land on the back of the leg

1706
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:46,920
Speaker 1: just for anyone who wasn't following there, and then one

1707
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:49,439
Speaker 1: and more piece on the on the decoying thing. Is

1708
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:52,120
Speaker 1: there any certain type of calling that you'd like to

1709
01:46:52,160 --> 01:46:54,160
Speaker 1: pair with the decoy. Do you rattle a lot when

1710
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:56,400
Speaker 1: you've got the decoy out there or are you a

1711
01:46:56,439 --> 01:47:01,519
Speaker 1: little more aggressive or passive with that type of thing? Um,

1712
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 1: I'll I will, I will rattle, um, especially if I

1713
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 1: know nothing can see me. I'm not a big like

1714
01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:16,400
Speaker 1: if if it's a buck, I for sure want to

1715
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 1: to get the attention of I'll rat if I ever

1716
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:22,360
Speaker 1: see a deer that I you know, if a decent deer,

1717
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:24,920
Speaker 1: but one I will not shoot, comes up into that

1718
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: field and happens to walk across and not look at

1719
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:30,400
Speaker 1: the decoy, there's no way I would grunt at it

1720
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:33,440
Speaker 1: or rattle to like get it to come over to

1721
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:39,280
Speaker 1: watch it, because you're just That's what makes your decoying

1722
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:43,480
Speaker 1: in your area way, because they will start to associate

1723
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:47,720
Speaker 1: your rattle patterns with that decoy, especially if they come

1724
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 1: in and smell human association with the decoy. So ideally

1725
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:55,920
Speaker 1: you really want something to come in, that's that's what

1726
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:59,720
Speaker 1: you really want to shoot. Um. But yeah, I do.

1727
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:04,720
Speaker 1: During the rut, I always have my horns and in

1728
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:11,000
Speaker 1: a grunt tube. I mean, probably every hour if it's um.

1729
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:14,200
Speaker 1: If it's calm and I'm not I haven't seen a dear,

1730
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:18,440
Speaker 1: and I don't think a deer's within earshot of me, UM,

1731
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:21,559
Speaker 1: I will rattle, you know, I do. I'm a big

1732
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:25,280
Speaker 1: advocate of rattling, But if I know deer close by,

1733
01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:29,000
Speaker 1: and certainly deer that aren't relative to me, I just

1734
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:31,960
Speaker 1: don't want to bring attention to myself and don't want

1735
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:37,240
Speaker 1: tend up freaking some stuff out um to where they.

1736
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 1: You know, if they end up blowing through, blowing out

1737
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:41,920
Speaker 1: of there, you really don't know what they'll pick up

1738
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 1: on their way out. So if there's deer around me

1739
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:48,400
Speaker 1: or doze bedded around me, as much as I want

1740
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:53,080
Speaker 1: to rattle or something like that, I'll just hold off

1741
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:56,160
Speaker 1: and kind of save it through a lull when nothing's

1742
01:48:56,160 --> 01:49:00,800
Speaker 1: nothing's around nice. I think at all that seems in

1743
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:02,679
Speaker 1: line with with a lot of the things we've heard

1744
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:06,800
Speaker 1: from other folks, and it's it certainly sounds like I mean,

1745
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's certainly is true that this type of

1746
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:12,080
Speaker 1: thing ends up with an exciting hunt one way or

1747
01:49:12,120 --> 01:49:14,320
Speaker 1: the other. You definitely have a little more action and

1748
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 1: something to look at. I don't know about you. John.

1749
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:18,160
Speaker 1: One thing that I do a lot whenever I use

1750
01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:21,519
Speaker 1: a decoy is I'll have that decoy out there and

1751
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:23,640
Speaker 1: then I'm sitting for an hour or two and I'm

1752
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 1: looking at my phone or something, and then all of

1753
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:27,439
Speaker 1: a sudden, all of a sudden, I see a buck

1754
01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:29,160
Speaker 1: out of corn mine. I jerked my head up and

1755
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:31,799
Speaker 1: my heart jumps on my chest, and then I realized

1756
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:38,160
Speaker 1: it's my decoy. It's happening so many times. Yep. I agree,

1757
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:40,640
Speaker 1: It's happened to me a ton as well. I'm a

1758
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm a big I'm a big believer in sitting all day.

1759
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 1: So there's there's definitely the time where I'm catching a

1760
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:59,680
Speaker 1: cat nap and I'll kind of realize I'm sleeping and

1761
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:03,720
Speaker 1: kind wake up. And then yeah, times where you kind

1762
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:08,439
Speaker 1: of forgot that that decoys are okay, Yeah, and uh,

1763
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:10,960
Speaker 1: but there's also been times where I've kind of nodded

1764
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:15,560
Speaker 1: off and open my eyes and there's just something right there,

1765
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 1: like on it, you know, just knows knows on it.

1766
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:24,759
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I I've yet to kill one on decoy,

1767
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:28,680
Speaker 1: but I'm hoping it's gonna happen here soon. I'm I

1768
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:32,320
Speaker 1: loved kind of set up you've described here and how

1769
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:34,040
Speaker 1: you put all these pieces together. It makes a lot

1770
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:35,920
Speaker 1: of sense to me, So I think it's something that

1771
01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:37,599
Speaker 1: can work for a lot of people. So I appreciate

1772
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 1: you sharing that with us. And there's there's so much

1773
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:42,120
Speaker 1: more I really wanted to talk to you about, but

1774
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:43,799
Speaker 1: I know I've taken a lot of your time already

1775
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 1: and you've got to get you gotta go check those pictures.

1776
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:48,800
Speaker 1: So John, thank you, Thank you for taking all this

1777
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:50,960
Speaker 1: time and chatting through these things with us. If if

1778
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:52,960
Speaker 1: people want to learn more from you, and there's a

1779
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:55,320
Speaker 1: lot to learn, I think especially you know what we're

1780
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:59,640
Speaker 1: talking about the beginning in relation to archery issues. You

1781
01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:01,880
Speaker 1: know we're and they go to watch a show, listen

1782
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:06,320
Speaker 1: to your podcasts all that stuff. Um, so yeah they can.

1783
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:09,400
Speaker 1: They can go if they want to listen to the podcast.

1784
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:13,200
Speaker 1: You can either look up the knock On podcasts on

1785
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:17,080
Speaker 1: pod Bean and it's n O C k O n

1786
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:20,800
Speaker 1: um not don't use a K. Some people are using

1787
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:25,519
Speaker 1: a K, but yeah, it's n O C k UM

1788
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:30,840
Speaker 1: knock On podcasts and UM. Otherwise. For Facebook, it would

1789
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:35,000
Speaker 1: be knock on TV for the Facebook page UM or

1790
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:39,719
Speaker 1: my Instagram account would also be knock on TV. Otherwise,

1791
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:44,800
Speaker 1: the YouTube channel is knock on Archery UM, and certainly

1792
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:49,599
Speaker 1: check out the the if you follow the knock on

1793
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:53,439
Speaker 1: Facebook page then right now I'm doing a lot of

1794
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:56,280
Speaker 1: UM are starting to do a lot of live feeds

1795
01:51:56,520 --> 01:52:00,920
Speaker 1: with UM. If I'm actually in the hard working on

1796
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:04,960
Speaker 1: UM someone's bow or working on something particular, or sometimes

1797
01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:07,559
Speaker 1: even if I'm with a student, I may just decide

1798
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:10,720
Speaker 1: to go live UM and you'll get a notification to

1799
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:14,519
Speaker 1: see that and then UM. You know a lot of

1800
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:17,840
Speaker 1: people are really finding that helpful because a lot of

1801
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:21,520
Speaker 1: these things that I talked about their kind of difficult

1802
01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 1: to understand UM without seeing it. So it allows me

1803
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:31,360
Speaker 1: to to kind of UM show you a little bit

1804
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:36,600
Speaker 1: better UM what it's like. So awesome. I saw you

1805
01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:39,080
Speaker 1: doing one a little while back when you were growing

1806
01:52:39,120 --> 01:52:41,080
Speaker 1: off some elk and then also talking about some of

1807
01:52:41,080 --> 01:52:43,920
Speaker 1: the different things, and that was pretty cool. So definitely

1808
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:47,400
Speaker 1: recommend people check that stuff out. John. All right, well,

1809
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:50,840
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us, and hopefully we'll

1810
01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:53,439
Speaker 1: see some stories from you this fall with another big

1811
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:56,679
Speaker 1: buck down under the decoy or something like that. Yeah,

1812
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:59,799
Speaker 1: I hope so too awesome. Well I be sure everyone,

1813
01:52:59,800 --> 01:53:02,800
Speaker 1: it's check out what John just mentioned on YouTube, Facebook,

1814
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:06,000
Speaker 1: the website, Instagram and all that, and good luck this season, John,

1815
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:10,880
Speaker 1: all right man, appreciate it. Thanks smart absolutely all right.

1816
01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:14,479
Speaker 1: So there you have it another episode of the Wired

1817
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 1: Hunt Podcast. But a few quick reminders before we let

1818
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:19,760
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1820
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1821
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1823
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1830
01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:59,080
Speaker 1: all for joining us today. Hopefully this one got you

1831
01:53:59,120 --> 01:54:01,040
Speaker 1: pumped to get the ball out and maybe tests in

1832
01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:04,519
Speaker 1: decoying this fall, and of course I hope you'll stay

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Speaker 1: wired to hunt. M h m hmmm