Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondoland Audio in
Speaker 1: partnership with Iheartradiot Katie. We're talking about how Garmo watched
Speaker 1: episode one oh three Hell Half No Fury twice yesterday,
Speaker 1: once today, and it's on in the background currently as
Speaker 1: we are recording this podcast. Correct. Yes, when I've watched
Speaker 1: this episode now a few times, I'm just like this sucks,
Speaker 1: Like this is so awful. I don't want to explore
Speaker 1: these feelings. I feel this like massive weight of responsibility
Speaker 1: where it's like, Okay, if I'm going to breed and
Speaker 1: contribute a human being to our fucked up society, the
Speaker 1: least I can do is hope that they only add
Speaker 1: goodness and don't take it away. And right, I mean
Speaker 1: my mom sort of. I mean, my brother was like,
Speaker 1: is the best fucking dude. I know, you know him,
Speaker 1: he's the best, but like he was such a fucked
Speaker 1: up teenager, Like he did such fucked up shit. He
Speaker 1: did not fucking rape a girl, thank you God, but
Speaker 1: like he definitely fucking soul fucking marijuana and did dumb shit,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. My mom was like at
Speaker 1: the end of her rod with him, and look how
Speaker 1: well he turned out. Yeah, he did turn out. Well.
Speaker 1: I feel like, did your mom ever think that, Like
Speaker 1: your mom had three boys. Oh yeah. Plus we grew up,
Speaker 1: you know, in the eighties in New York City, where
Speaker 1: when in Washington Heights, when the city was just like
Speaker 1: a ball of crime, a snow globe of crime. It
Speaker 1: was just the worst, you know, so I can imagine.
Speaker 1: But they also, you know, they had really no you know,
Speaker 1: my we were kind of latchkey kids, and they they
Speaker 1: had to work twenty four to seven, and they just
Speaker 1: had to trust that they you know, instilled the right
Speaker 1: sort of values, you know, thing values and all of
Speaker 1: that in us and just sort of trust and let
Speaker 1: us go and and you know, luckily we're somewhat okay.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite facts about Giermo Diaz growing up
Speaker 1: in such a fucking rough time and rough neighborhood. Tell
Speaker 1: me if this is wrong. This is what it is
Speaker 1: in my head every time there's a close up of
Speaker 1: the back of Huck's head. Oh yeah, I love it
Speaker 1: so much because you have this scar back there, because
Speaker 1: didn't you get hit with a gun? Yeah, I can't
Speaker 1: believe you remember that. Oh I think of it every
Speaker 1: time I see the back every and since I've been
Speaker 1: watching all these episodes, and they always you're always hacking
Speaker 1: hawk and they're always zooming in on the back of
Speaker 1: their head. Always see that little bump on the back
Speaker 1: of your head. Oh my god. Yes, I got mugged
Speaker 1: in front of my building in Washington Heights at like
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock at night, at gunpoint. They held the gun
Speaker 1: up to my head and we're like, give me. I
Speaker 1: had like a flight jacket and like a ring, like
Speaker 1: this cheap ring, and they took my jacket in the
Speaker 1: ring and then they told me to turn around, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, this is it? Like die?
Speaker 1: Oh of course, But somehow, you know how they say
Speaker 1: you get super like calm in those in those moments
Speaker 1: of like complete you know, where where you would you
Speaker 1: would assume that you'd be really scared and it would
Speaker 1: just be full on fear. I got really zen and
Speaker 1: really calm and just turned around and then he just
Speaker 1: ended up hitting me with the gun in the back
Speaker 1: of the head. And that's what that what that scar is.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you remember that. Did you have to
Speaker 1: get stitches? No? I just went upstairs and my head
Speaker 1: was bleeding and my mother was like, oh shit and
Speaker 1: put like a towel and some ice, Like they didn't
Speaker 1: even take me to the hospital. But you know, it
Speaker 1: was this, It was a small it was a you know,
Speaker 1: a pretty small. I was like seventeen, No fucking where yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is crazy. And where do you fall in line
Speaker 1: of the brothers? I'm the youngest. Yeah, so I have
Speaker 1: two older brothers. Yeah, that's why we work so well together,
Speaker 1: by the way, is because I have this theory that
Speaker 1: every couple that works out really well, they're not the
Speaker 1: same in birth order. So I'm the oldest and you're
Speaker 1: in the Maybe I'm the oldest and Adams the baby
Speaker 1: in his family like I. Just if you are around
Speaker 1: and ask people who are in loving relationships like me
Speaker 1: and Guillermo Diaz, it's because I'm the older and you're
Speaker 1: the baby. Not that you not that we form that
Speaker 1: that you're necessarily act like the youngest around me or
Speaker 1: not because you're no, no, no, no no, yeah, shut up.
Speaker 1: Um yeah no. I love that theory. Yeah, that's that's interesting.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. I mean it makes sense. Um, let's
Speaker 1: let's do this this stuff. And yeah, we should like
Speaker 1: do this stuff. Gee, we should like fucking say what's
Speaker 1: on this fucking paper? And on this fucking paper it
Speaker 1: says we're talking about episode one of three, which was
Speaker 1: titled Hell Hath No Fury. It aired on April nineteenth
Speaker 1: of twenty twelve. It was written by Matt Byrne, which
Speaker 1: we will circle back on this, and it was directed
Speaker 1: by Alice Brown. So much to say about both of these, ge,
Speaker 1: Do you want to give me the synopsis? In Scandal Pace? Yes? Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: here we go. Millionaire CEO Sandra Harding contracts OPA with
Speaker 1: helping her I went over this so many times before
Speaker 1: we started. Of course, now I'm like our scandal Pace
Speaker 1: might be out of practice. But as we continue this, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: here we go. Millionaire CEO Sandra Harding contracts OPA with
Speaker 1: helping on her son Travis's trial for rape. Amanda Tanner's
Speaker 1: only demand is a five minute meeting with the President,
Speaker 1: and the White House gets hit with another scandal and
Speaker 1: audio sex tape to Cyrus believes to be sent from
Speaker 1: Olivia as blackmail. And we have guest starring Joe with
Speaker 1: williams Is Sandra Harding, Curtis Armstrong as attorney called Michael
Speaker 1: Cassidy is Travis Harding. Mina Batty is assistant US attorney
Speaker 1: Jane Powell. Jericka Hinton as Hannah, the doctor who delivers
Speaker 1: this amazing speech to Harrison. By the way, Jericka Hinton
Speaker 1: plays Stephanie Edwards and Grays and Addie. We're going to
Speaker 1: get to all of that. Yes, this episode, I think
Speaker 1: that the guest stars between Joebeth Williams and Michael Cassidy
Speaker 1: were fucking incredible. Yes, yes, yes, this is this episode.
Speaker 1: I watched it a bunch, but it was also like
Speaker 1: every time I got something new, I got something new
Speaker 1: out of it. But yeah, and I was so star
Speaker 1: struck with these guest stars because joe Beth Williams was
Speaker 1: the mother in Poultergeist and Poultergeist too. She played Diane
Speaker 1: Freeling and she is freaking as everyone knows. I'm a
Speaker 1: huge horror film fan, and so being around freaking out
Speaker 1: on set, I don't know, Oh my god, Yes, I
Speaker 1: think I was maybe honestly with Joe Beth. I knew
Speaker 1: she was doing the episode, and I think I saw
Speaker 1: her like by the trailers, but I don't think we
Speaker 1: had many scenes together. She might have been like in
Speaker 1: the office when you know, hucking Quinn and those guys
Speaker 1: were there, so I think I was kind of around here,
Speaker 1: but I didn't really interact with her on the show.
Speaker 1: But also, yeah, freaking amazing and um and also our
Speaker 1: other guest star, attorney Cole Yes, yes, Booger from Revenge
Speaker 1: of the Nerds, Man, guys Booger for Revenge of the
Speaker 1: fucking Nerds. I'm rewatching this episode last night for today
Speaker 1: and Adam's like, that's Booger, and I'm like, oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is Booger. If you're an eighties kid like like
Speaker 1: I am, and you know, Katie's younger than I, but
Speaker 1: you remember Revenge of the Nerds, like you right, and
Speaker 1: Booger like he was. Of course, this is such a
Speaker 1: testament to Linda Lowe, are casting director who's married to
Speaker 1: Jeff Perry who played Cyrus. Like yes, yes, God, the
Speaker 1: guest stars were so fucking great on this show. And honestly,
Speaker 1: the guest stars have to carry oh yeah, the a
Speaker 1: story like they have a lot of times, these guest
Speaker 1: stars and g and I, you know, God, we've been
Speaker 1: around in this biz and like we've had to be
Speaker 1: like the lead guest stars on episodics before, Like, I know,
Speaker 1: you've done all the fucking law and orders. I've done
Speaker 1: all the wouted traces and cold cases and all that.
Speaker 1: It is a tough job. I mean, you're working every
Speaker 1: day for nine days. You are crying, you are getting rapes,
Speaker 1: you are getting abducted, you are you're talking a ghost.
Speaker 1: You are a ghost. Remember you want ghost whisper I was.
Speaker 1: And also you're coming into this world of actors that
Speaker 1: you know, have been doing this show for her however
Speaker 1: many seasons. Yeah, so you're kind of, you know, you
Speaker 1: feel like a fish out of water sort of in
Speaker 1: the beginning, and then and then you you know, you
Speaker 1: get your traction and then it flows and then it
Speaker 1: gets easier. But you're just coming into this world where
Speaker 1: everyone knows each other. It's like a well oiled machine
Speaker 1: the show usually, and so you just want to go
Speaker 1: in and like impress. So it's a tough job. I
Speaker 1: remember always we were always so kind to our guest stars.
Speaker 1: I remember always saying to them, welcome, We're so excited
Speaker 1: you're here, Like we were all all so so kind
Speaker 1: because I think of the fact that we all have
Speaker 1: done so many guest star Roles, right, so we know
Speaker 1: how it is to feel when someone is not sort
Speaker 1: of inviting or warm to you. On said and I
Speaker 1: think this leans into Shanda having like that no asshole policy. Yes,
Speaker 1: she had a no asshole policy where when she hired
Speaker 1: the series regulars of the show, she supposedly called our
Speaker 1: previous X bosses to sort of vouch for us and
Speaker 1: make sure that we weren't dicks. But yes, a lot
Speaker 1: of us also fucking come from theater and our major
Speaker 1: ensemble people. So when the guest star is coming in
Speaker 1: and has to do all this heavy lifting and literally
Speaker 1: sit at the OPA conference table sobbing their eyes out
Speaker 1: or whatever, I felt like we were all like an
Speaker 1: talkt's Candace. All of a sudden, the directors were like,
Speaker 1: you got to pick it up, pick up the page.
Speaker 1: Oh god, could you imagine if I was guest starring
Speaker 1: on our show, I would have been fhitting bricks and
Speaker 1: you were saying, how I've always been a big prepare
Speaker 1: I think I was? But then do you remember towards
Speaker 1: the end of like the series, we'd all roll up
Speaker 1: to OPA and be like, what's like, have you looked
Speaker 1: at the scene? And we'd be like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess let's look at it, let's let's read it.
Speaker 1: We like, you know, and they were setting up like
Speaker 1: I know. But what's so fucking crazy about scandal and
Speaker 1: episodic TV, I think in general is that, like your
Speaker 1: brain is a muscle, so like if you do ten
Speaker 1: crunches a day, in a few weeks, you can do
Speaker 1: one hundred or whatever. But it's the same with fucking
Speaker 1: memorizing lines. It's like if you do it for eight
Speaker 1: years or however long we were doing it, we would
Speaker 1: got so good at the end that it actually made
Speaker 1: no sense to sit at home and sort of do
Speaker 1: it in a van exactly. We all started to realize
Speaker 1: that we could just go go over I mean, of
Speaker 1: course we'd look at it at home and read the
Speaker 1: script and all of that, of course, but then we
Speaker 1: didn't need as much time preparing now to learn the lines.
Speaker 1: We'd go over it a few times and then haven't
Speaker 1: memorized like completely, so we would always come on to
Speaker 1: set and like run. We knew that the best way
Speaker 1: to learn it was actually with each other, yes, and
Speaker 1: we would drill it on like lighting setups or set
Speaker 1: changes in the hair and makeup trailer. But you were
Speaker 1: really good at like even big fucking chunks, you and
Speaker 1: Josh Molina, Like I think, I know you say you've
Speaker 1: got a stoner brain, and you do, and I love
Speaker 1: it so much, But like you were really good at
Speaker 1: memorizing a lot of shit. I had like pages of
Speaker 1: a monologue like that. I definitely like went over it
Speaker 1: over and over and over the night before because that
Speaker 1: you can't mess around with that. Do you've run lines
Speaker 1: while you're like pacing or are you just like sitting
Speaker 1: in your secret room? Honestly, Mikey would run lines with me,
Speaker 1: my partner, he would he would run lines with me,
Speaker 1: and I would do it in front of him and
Speaker 1: just do it over and over and over and then
Speaker 1: you know, and then I you know, keep drilling it
Speaker 1: until I got it in my brain. But yeah, if
Speaker 1: we had long monologues like that, especially that we had
Speaker 1: to talk so fast, you know, you got to make
Speaker 1: sure you're on point. Yes, one more thing on this
Speaker 1: and then we're getting to the official shit of episode
Speaker 1: one or three. But I know we talked about last
Speaker 1: episode scandal pace. It was such a thing. But like also,
Speaker 1: and do you remember this, gee, like Shanda at the
Speaker 1: very beginning of the show said how you say is
Speaker 1: up to you, but what you say is up to me. Yes. Yes,
Speaker 1: So we could never say and of or a the
Speaker 1: or like improv a little bit like I've been on
Speaker 1: other jobs since Scandal where it's like, you know, you
Speaker 1: just like add a button or whatever the fuck, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, we never went off script? Did it? In
Speaker 1: the very beginnings. I think it was Henry ian Qusake
Speaker 1: who emailed Sea was like can I say this instead?
Speaker 1: And she was like no, or I don't know what
Speaker 1: she said, but it was like it was like a hard, cold,
Speaker 1: like hell no, like say what I wrote. When we
Speaker 1: have him on, we have to ask him. But I
Speaker 1: remember him having a really fucking hard time because he
Speaker 1: was coming off of like eight years on Lost, and
Speaker 1: I remember having conversations with him the first season of
Speaker 1: Scandal where he was like, you don't even know, like
Speaker 1: we would show up in the fucking woods of Hawaii
Speaker 1: shooting Lost and like no one knew their lines. It
Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't about that, Like it was just about
Speaker 1: like breathing heavy and running and like being afraid and
Speaker 1: like sort of like saying some shit that kind of
Speaker 1: didn't make sense anyway because Lost wasn't about like exact
Speaker 1: plot and character like, so he was coming into something
Speaker 1: being like, wait, I have to like say exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly was on the page. But what's so brilliant about
Speaker 1: Shanda and the Scandal writers was if you missed an
Speaker 1: of or throw in an extra th or whatever or uh,
Speaker 1: it's like messing up. It's like poetry, like saying the words.
Speaker 1: It's written so well. And we always talked about how
Speaker 1: if something's written really well, then it's really easy to
Speaker 1: memorize and to say, so if if you added something
Speaker 1: or took something out, it didn't flow as well. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I've never had an easier time memorizing than Scandal. Same.
Speaker 1: So the beginning of this episode, I felt like this
Speaker 1: is so fucking cool, like we're saying cool again, and
Speaker 1: it's because it's going in to get the little shitty,
Speaker 1: spoiled piece of shit kid played by Michael Cassidy, who's
Speaker 1: just bone this like hot blonde chick. They're all fucking hungover.
Speaker 1: He's late to his court trial. Olivia comes in, wakey, wakey,
Speaker 1: you know, and the music is playing and she sort
Speaker 1: of convinces the girl he was sleeping with to walk
Speaker 1: out of the door with Harrison hiding, thinking that it's
Speaker 1: you know, Michael Cassidy's role, Travis. Yeah, she sneaks him
Speaker 1: out the back, and Harrison is so cool. He's so cool,
Speaker 1: He's always so cool. And and what stuck out in
Speaker 1: this episode two is the I mean, of course there's
Speaker 1: music in the music is amazing in every episode, but
Speaker 1: in this in this episode, that music is just that
Speaker 1: song is just playing over that whole sort of intro. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and even it's not only music without lyrics, it's music
Speaker 1: with lyrics over dialogue, which is kind of like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: but it works so so well. It's so it's so
Speaker 1: classic scandal. Yeah, the beginning was such a classic scandal.
Speaker 1: I loved it so much, and I felt like, oh god,
Speaker 1: when I come back, like, if I ever get to
Speaker 1: play a cool character, I think I will. Do you
Speaker 1: think Quinn got cool? Oh yeah? Quinnd so cool? Dude?
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah. When you started wearing your leathers and
Speaker 1: your black boots, you got so cool. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I felt like in her heart, she's still such a
Speaker 1: fucking turd, are we all? Though we're all turds at heart.
Speaker 1: I think all of it. Can we take a moment
Speaker 1: to discuss what we're wearing on our heads? Yes, and
Speaker 1: then we'll get more into the episode. Yes, yes, G
Speaker 1: and I wore our Gladiator in a suit, long sleeve, comfy,
Speaker 1: a little too tight, don't put it in the dryer shirts.
Speaker 1: And today I text you this morning, I'm like, what
Speaker 1: what are we wearing today? And what do you have
Speaker 1: on I was like, well, I'm thinking of wearing my beanie,
Speaker 1: my black beanie that I bought in the White House
Speaker 1: gift shop and we went to the White House Correspondence dinner.
Speaker 1: Why did I buy stationary ie? So cool? I bought
Speaker 1: a beanie. I bought a backpack. But we're fucking sporting
Speaker 1: it now and chilling. My scandal hat is really not cute.
Speaker 1: I love it, but I think it is not a
Speaker 1: great hat. I apologize to anyone who got who got,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I gave it away. It's cute. It's
Speaker 1: a white beanie and it's a scandal. What does it
Speaker 1: say on it? Scandal White Gladiator. It's a white beanie,
Speaker 1: which just is not the right color for a beanie.
Speaker 1: A white beanie is not great, Like it's weird. You
Speaker 1: sweat in your head, there's dance like your head is gross.
Speaker 1: I make up on my forehead. So to have a
Speaker 1: white hat on is Oh, isn't that funny because our
Speaker 1: show White Sha the hat says Scandal in red and
Speaker 1: then Gladiators in black underneath your head hot. My head
Speaker 1: is so hot, I'm gonna be pulling the ship off
Speaker 1: in like so hot whenever you need to just let
Speaker 1: your head breathe, g just let it fly. Um. The
Speaker 1: coolest part about Scandal, there are so many things, but
Speaker 1: we got to go on the most epic trips. We
Speaker 1: got to go to two White House Correspondent dinners, both
Speaker 1: under Obama as president. And it was the most amazing
Speaker 1: fun time with the hat you got from the first
Speaker 1: trip or the second trip, it was from the first one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also we were on the hottest like political show
Speaker 1: on television, so all of us in DC like there
Speaker 1: for the correspond instant. It was just it was it
Speaker 1: was so surreal and meeting all these political figures and
Speaker 1: celebrities and like, you know people that were like Aretha
Speaker 1: Franklin was like, I love your show, and it was
Speaker 1: just like wild to be around people, you know, what
Speaker 1: it's the closest I always equated to, like, it's like
Speaker 1: the closest to being probably like what the Beatles felt like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked about it before that you can't go anywhere,
Speaker 1: but I sort of can. But when you drop the
Speaker 1: Scandal cast as a group into DC, when we were on,
Speaker 1: it was like we were the fucking Beatles. Yeah. It
Speaker 1: was dangerous. Yeah. Yeah. And one of the most memorable
Speaker 1: nights of my life I want to say is when
Speaker 1: we were there. Oh I think this was the last time,
Speaker 1: but whatever, Yeah, I think it was the time we went.
Speaker 1: We went as a cast kind of three times for
Speaker 1: two different White House Correspondence dinners, and then the last
Speaker 1: time we went to shoot the penultimate episode there. Yes,
Speaker 1: and again we could never go anywhere as a group
Speaker 1: without being completely I mean, it was not safe. But
Speaker 1: Carrie had this idea that was, like, I love all
Speaker 1: of the Washington Monuments and all of the monuments at night,
Speaker 1: and so we got like two escalades that followed each other,
Speaker 1: and it was pouring rain, so actually no one was
Speaker 1: around and freezing, and the whole Scandal cast like jumped
Speaker 1: around from like the Jefferson Memorial to the Lincoln Memorial,
Speaker 1: to the Washington Memorial, to the Einstein statue. Yeah, all
Speaker 1: at night while we were just chugging whistlepig whiskey out
Speaker 1: of the fucking bottles to keep us warm, and we
Speaker 1: did photo shoots in front of all the monuments we got,
Speaker 1: you know, we got out in video to each other
Speaker 1: and took pictures and yeah, and we were drinking whistle
Speaker 1: pig whiskey, which and then later on Bellamy I think
Speaker 1: it was Bellamy right who got us all a bottle
Speaker 1: of whistle pig. I still have it in my kitchen.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I haven't opened it. Drank that shit. Okay.
Speaker 1: So Joe Beth Williams is unbelievable in this episode, and
Speaker 1: the things that neet that really struck out to me
Speaker 1: at the beginning. Okay, we've got so Sandra Harding is
Speaker 1: the case. Her son is saying there's a rape allegation
Speaker 1: against him from a woman named Helen Fisher. Olivia makes
Speaker 1: a deal with Gideon Wallace to keep the story quiet
Speaker 1: for seventy two hours and then he'll get an exclusive.
Speaker 1: Amanda Tanner tells Olivia that she has undeniable proof of
Speaker 1: the affair with fits. Please Let's talk about Amanda Tanner
Speaker 1: for a second. Weren't you a huge Gilmore Girls fan? Oh?
Speaker 1: My god, I still am. They play that shit like
Speaker 1: every single day that have never seen an episode really
Speaker 1: talk about scandal paced, Katie. Those guys speak faster than
Speaker 1: we do. They speak so fast. Yeah. I remember auditioning
Speaker 1: for it, and Kate, Oh yeah, I auditioned like a
Speaker 1: million times because it was like the hot show when
Speaker 1: I moved out to la and auditioned to a million times,
Speaker 1: and they would always make me speak really fast, and
Speaker 1: I'd be like, this is so easy for me, Like
Speaker 1: why am I not getting a part on the show?
Speaker 1: But I never got a part on that show. They're
Speaker 1: less Yeah. Oh. Amanda Tanner is played by Liza While
Speaker 1: Who who did she play on Gilmore She played Paris
Speaker 1: on Gilmore Girls. She was like the biggest, like staunch,
Speaker 1: like bitch, like super smart, like went to Harvard, like angry,
Speaker 1: like the meanest, like but she was Rory's best friend.
Speaker 1: Who's one of the lead characters on the show. Do
Speaker 1: you think Amanda Tanner is like a completely different character
Speaker 1: for Liza than Paris? Oh? Absolutely, Yeah, That's why I
Speaker 1: was so great watching her play Amanda Tanner because I
Speaker 1: was like, this girl got ranged. You know, people say
Speaker 1: that all the time, but she the emotional places that
Speaker 1: Liza had to go playing Amanda Tanner was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we all kind of are familiar
Speaker 1: with it a little bit because we all had to,
Speaker 1: you know, go through some serious stuff on the show
Speaker 1: as our characters. But she just does such a wonderful
Speaker 1: job speaking about you guys listening, like Shanda Land likes
Speaker 1: to sort of collect people, you know that they continue
Speaker 1: from project to project and things like that, and lies
Speaker 1: a while at the time was married to Paul Adelstein.
Speaker 1: That's right, who well he was played He played Leo Bergen,
Speaker 1: but he was originally the lead doctor on Private Practice,
Speaker 1: That's right, which is why sand and Linda Lowe no, Liza,
Speaker 1: and I think, I don't know if this is a
Speaker 1: secret or whatever, but whatever, Liza, I'm pretty sure I
Speaker 1: remember shooting scenes with her season one when she was
Speaker 1: playing Amanda Tanner, and I remember her being like I
Speaker 1: auditioned for Quinn No yes, And I remember sitting there
Speaker 1: watching how fucking good she was and me being like,
Speaker 1: this makes no sense. Oh my god. I thank god.
Speaker 1: In Heaven or whoever the fuck you pray to. It
Speaker 1: easily could have been Liza, Like but anyway, I think
Speaker 1: Liza auditioned for Quinn and they just called her and said, no,
Speaker 1: we want you to be Amanda Tanner. Wow, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have her on and we're gonna have to ask and
Speaker 1: she'll tell us. I cannot wait to have her on.
Speaker 1: But the other thing that happens in this episode that
Speaker 1: I need to talk about, I'm sorry, I'm interrupting. You
Speaker 1: tell me that Tony Goldwin takes off his shirt when
Speaker 1: he wakes up, when he oversleeps. He's oversleeps, and Mellie
Speaker 1: is sitting in the fucking West wing where wherever they sleep, know,
Speaker 1: the private residence I think is what it's called, yea,
Speaker 1: and Tony's sleeping and we're just going to reserve the
Speaker 1: round on this podcast that whenever I call people their
Speaker 1: characters names or their real names whatever, get yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Tony's sleeping And he wakes up and he's like, what's happening?
Speaker 1: Mandela got up for me? Like Mandela's waiting for me.
Speaker 1: I can't sleep. Yes, yes, he's in boxers and like
Speaker 1: a T shirt that he slept in and he quickly
Speaker 1: takes off his t shirt and I was dumbfounded. He's
Speaker 1: pretty easy on the eyes. What is going on with
Speaker 1: this human being's body? Like, but it's just not fair.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I loved he is family. He
Speaker 1: drinks wine, he orders desserts, he eats carbohydrates. He just
Speaker 1: must also like eat like baby vampires or something that
Speaker 1: I do. Although, Katie, I remember during the table reads,
Speaker 1: I always remember Tony having ordering a salad. It was
Speaker 1: like from tender Greens and it was either the tuna
Speaker 1: with you know, with the greens. I know, I'm so hungry,
Speaker 1: right are you hungry? Hungry too? Oh my god, let's
Speaker 1: talk about what we ate in a little bit. But
Speaker 1: I remember Tony always eating super super healthy. I think
Speaker 1: as him. And then you know, when Scott Foley comes
Speaker 1: into the picture, when Jake comes into the picture, they
Speaker 1: always knew. They were like at the drop of a hat,
Speaker 1: they were like, you gotta take your shirt off. You
Speaker 1: know you're gonna have sex with would a live here
Speaker 1: or someone else? So I think that I feel like
Speaker 1: they were always super super prepared. Well, he looked outstanding.
Speaker 1: Even in those two minutes. I was like God, if
Speaker 1: you were editing the episode, you must have been like,
Speaker 1: and Shauna is sitting there like putting the episodes together.
Speaker 1: She must have been like, Okay, well, we can just
Speaker 1: rest assured that Tony should be topless in every sex
Speaker 1: scene for the next seven years. He's fine, yes, But
Speaker 1: also that that scene when he wakes up and he
Speaker 1: oversleeps it reminded me. Wasn't Tony always sleeping on set? Like,
Speaker 1: wasn't he We'd always like catch him like a sleep
Speaker 1: like any chance he God, he was like sleeping. Why
Speaker 1: is he so tired? I don't know, but I'm tired too.
Speaker 1: I am too. But you know what, maybe it's because
Speaker 1: he was fifty then, right, Like do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like when we were shooting Scandal, I was
Speaker 1: twenty eight through like thirty six, wow, and you were
Speaker 1: I turned forty on the pilot. On the pilot, I
Speaker 1: turned forty. Yeah, so he was like, because I think
Speaker 1: Tony's like sixty six or sixty seven, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's six. Let's google it. I think he's
Speaker 1: like fifty eight or fifteen. Yeah, oh am, I oh,
Speaker 1: oh am, I'm completely wrong. Hold on because if he's
Speaker 1: he's sixty two. What Oh shit, he looks good. I know,
Speaker 1: but so imagine at fifty two years old, you're in
Speaker 1: fifty two yet, gee, imagine being on set with those hours.
Speaker 1: He was just so tired. She was tired. She gotta sleep.
Speaker 1: She was like, I gotta sleep. I think him and
Speaker 1: Jeffie were constantly sleeping on set. Yeah, jeff was always
Speaker 1: sleeping for sure. We'll be right back, guys, what other
Speaker 1: notes do you have? Well, let's talk about maybe Alice
Speaker 1: and Leady Brown, like our director for this episode. Let's
Speaker 1: give a whole fucking moment of silence, respect, love, and
Speaker 1: adoration for that woman. Alison Leady Brown came into Our
Speaker 1: Lives on Scandal and directed a whole bunch of episodes.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming this is the first episode she direct she directed, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was. Yeah, the loveliest woman, super chill,
Speaker 1: super funny, so beautiful, just such a great, great director.
Speaker 1: And I think she came from directing a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff on like Nickelodeon, right, a lot of like kid shows.
Speaker 1: So it was funny to see her transition from that
Speaker 1: into this, you know, crazy scandal world. We were so
Speaker 1: lucky to get her so early at the top and
Speaker 1: actually I never look at shit like this. But I
Speaker 1: have to say, when I was rewatching this episode, there
Speaker 1: are so many just fucking dope shots. Yes, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I don't know about camera, but I feel
Speaker 1: like she's nailing it. Yes, Yes, And we had such
Speaker 1: a love affair with Alison Liddy Brown because she came
Speaker 1: back and directed the infamous seven fifty two. Should have
Speaker 1: won every fucking acting award under the sun. Also, Alison
Speaker 1: Leady Brown is queer. She's you know, she's an openly
Speaker 1: gay woman, which I loved, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: especially when she directed me in seventy two because I'm
Speaker 1: openly as well. But I don't know, it was just
Speaker 1: a cool thing to be, like, all right, cool and
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a shirt that says queer right now. Yes,
Speaker 1: you are speaking about which I was thinking about this
Speaker 1: last night. When we have carry on, we have to
Speaker 1: ask her this. I think Larry was like the last
Speaker 1: person to know that Giermo Diaz is an openly gay person.
Speaker 1: She was like what I feel like the first bunch
Speaker 1: of episodes, we were all like pretty buttoned up about
Speaker 1: our personal lives. I think we were all just like
Speaker 1: kind of nervous and exceed and like scared and trying
Speaker 1: to put like, you know, we just didn't know if
Speaker 1: we were going to be real life friends or like,
Speaker 1: you know, it was just like I don't know if
Speaker 1: people like knew everything. And I don't know at what
Speaker 1: episode I asked you where do you live? And you said, oh,
Speaker 1: I live in West Hollywood, right by the parade. And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, parade, Like I literally know what
Speaker 1: you were talking about. I was like, the parade, And
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, the fucking gay Pride parade.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, is this person gay? And then I
Speaker 1: ran home and I googled it and I found out
Speaker 1: that you were and I was like, this is the
Speaker 1: fucking greatest news and sliced bread. But then I remember
Speaker 1: that Carrie. I don't know how she found out, but
Speaker 1: I remember it was in like episode seven of season one,
Speaker 1: while we were in Gideon's apartment and he's dead on
Speaker 1: the floor. This is how it is in my memory.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true. And she found out
Speaker 1: that you were gay. I think we were all talking
Speaker 1: and maybe I said it or something and she flipped out,
Speaker 1: screaming more Because Carrie has an inside of her where
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm the dork that's the last to know. Yes,
Speaker 1: she also has extreme fomo like fear of missing out,
Speaker 1: like she needs to be in on every conversation, everything
Speaker 1: that's happening, right, So I'm sure she was like, wait,
Speaker 1: what how did I not know? Yes, she's very like
Speaker 1: especially in OPA, it's such like, you know, like a
Speaker 1: click of high school students who were like all talking talking, talking, talking,
Speaker 1: and if you're like over to the left getting your
Speaker 1: hair and makeup done and you like miss a little
Speaker 1: tidbit of hot goss, You're like, have you got to
Speaker 1: get in there? You know? So she felt like she
Speaker 1: hadn't known yet, and I think she was the last
Speaker 1: of the OPA people to know. So then what happens
Speaker 1: is this is insane. Are you ready for this tidbit
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you m Helen, who's the girl that
Speaker 1: is accusing Travis of rape, is played by this actress
Speaker 1: named Helen Woglum. She and I were an acting class
Speaker 1: together at Leslie Kahn No Way, and she was so
Speaker 1: so good good. Yes, yes, yes, She's got that monologue
Speaker 1: where she's like how much how much would it take
Speaker 1: for you? Yeah, how much would it take for you
Speaker 1: to be quiet about being raped? To shut up? How
Speaker 1: much could you be bought for? And her lip is
Speaker 1: all quivering and she's so good. Were you in the room? No,
Speaker 1: you're wasn't in the room for that. No, but I
Speaker 1: think that's the first time obviously with the characters were
Speaker 1: Olivia and the other attorneys word and they were all like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, this bitch is telling the truth. Like we're
Speaker 1: fucked now, you know what I mean. They were like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's not even taking the money. She was like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want the money, like yeah, And then they're
Speaker 1: trying to get him ready for trial and he says
Speaker 1: to Harrison, welles, what does this mean? They always take
Speaker 1: the money? And then Harrison calls Olivia and he's like,
Speaker 1: I think he's paid people off before, which sets all
Speaker 1: of opa like down the path to know. This guy's
Speaker 1: a fucking piece of shit. And Michael Cassidy plays him
Speaker 1: so well. Oh he's so good, he's so good. He's
Speaker 1: such a great actor. Oh good. The other thing that
Speaker 1: when they find out Harrison goes to get the rape
Speaker 1: kit from Jericha h h Yes, who ended up kicking
Speaker 1: ass so much that again. Like I said, Shaun Lynne
Speaker 1: keeps it all in ensemble, like they gave her an
Speaker 1: amazing job. She played Stephanie Edwards on Gray's Anatomy. But
Speaker 1: how fucking great was her monologue? Yeah, oh good, so moving,
Speaker 1: so moving, but powerful and like hell yeah, Like she
Speaker 1: just throws it back at Harrison because he's sort of
Speaker 1: flirting with her in the beginning. He's trying to get
Speaker 1: this rape kit, you know what I mean, And she's like, dude,
Speaker 1: you don't got to flirt with me. Listen. I deal
Speaker 1: with these women that have gone through this extremely traumatizing experience,
Speaker 1: like if you need something, I'll give you whatever you want,
Speaker 1: but don't flirt with me, especially not in this room,
Speaker 1: not right now, and in this environment, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And she does it so freaking well. She's
Speaker 1: so powerful, such a great freaking actress. Yeah, she does
Speaker 1: it so well. She's such a good actress. Matt Byrne
Speaker 1: wrote this episode, which makes me think of how long
Speaker 1: I've been with Matt burn because Matt Byrne. First of all,
Speaker 1: it wasn't until reading these pieces of paper that I
Speaker 1: even realized Matt Burne was with us from the beginning,
Speaker 1: was he like I thought he came in at season two.
Speaker 1: I can't believe he wrote this episode. I honestly, I
Speaker 1: was like, maybe season three or four. I thought Matt
Speaker 1: Burn sort of came in. But I thought so too.
Speaker 1: And he wrote Inventing Anna. No, yes, so, I I
Speaker 1: mean Seana wrote it. I mean he was in the
Speaker 1: writers for Inventing Anna. But he was like a big
Speaker 1: dog on Inventing Anna. He wasn't like, he was like executive.
Speaker 1: I don't know what his title was, but it was
Speaker 1: a big title. And so I got to be with
Speaker 1: him in New York for a while shooting Inventing Anna.
Speaker 1: And it's just so cool to watch and having been
Speaker 1: with someone sort of at the start, because I don't
Speaker 1: actually think he was a television writer before Scandal. I
Speaker 1: think he was actually a journalist. I think he wrote.
Speaker 1: I think he was a journalist. And they in the
Speaker 1: Scandal writer's room, especially at the beginning, they had a
Speaker 1: lot of people who weren't television writers who could really
Speaker 1: write in that sort of up against it taking clock
Speaker 1: like article type way. But he wrote Inventing Anna, and
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I played this character. Rachel Deloch Williams
Speaker 1: and I'm sobbed. I'm crying like on the stand testifying,
Speaker 1: and Matt Burne came in and he gave me like
Speaker 1: an acting note and I was like yeah. He was
Speaker 1: like me, Yeah. He came in and he was like,
Speaker 1: I'm I was there at this actual trial of Amma Deelvi.
Speaker 1: He was at the trial for doing research for this show.
Speaker 1: And he was like, your character at this point is
Speaker 1: fucking ugly sobbing. This isn't like fake, like, this isn't
Speaker 1: like even just a little bit crying like boo hoo.
Speaker 1: This is like how ugly and unabandoned do you cry
Speaker 1: when no one's looking? And I was like, oh fuck,
Speaker 1: which is the worst thing you could tell an actor
Speaker 1: because then that pressure no tears anywhere to be found.
Speaker 1: Don't freaking tell me that shit, Like really, Giarmo, I
Speaker 1: was like, bring in the tear stick. You're bringing them
Speaker 1: tear sticks? Do you ever I use a tier stick
Speaker 1: to you? I have in the past, but yeah I have, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure I have. And then there's you know, you
Speaker 1: just never know. That's the thing about acting. Sometimes it
Speaker 1: comes and you don't need that shit, and sometimes it's
Speaker 1: just not available. You're just not it's just not there,
Speaker 1: and you have to fake the funk and that tears
Speaker 1: that comes in for the for our listeners, I don't
Speaker 1: know what a tear stick is. It's a freaking little
Speaker 1: hollow stick that has like um eucalyptus in the middle, right,
Speaker 1: and the makeup artist blows threw it into your eyes.
Speaker 1: Make your eyes tear up, right, Katie, Yeah, it's they
Speaker 1: have two different guys. There's a Menthol stick that's a blower. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what she's talking about. They like blow Menthol crystals
Speaker 1: into your eyes. It's essentially like blasting vix vapor rub
Speaker 1: in your eyes, which makes tears come. Or there's a
Speaker 1: lipstick tube that's Menthol, like a vix vapor rub in
Speaker 1: allipstick form, and I would just rub that underneath my
Speaker 1: eyes when they would call action. Yeah, I literally think
Speaker 1: I did damage sometimes during between Scandal and Inventing Anna,
Speaker 1: there are times, like you said, where I can cry
Speaker 1: on command and it's fine. But then you're on our
Speaker 1: four yea of shooting the scene and you're so dried
Speaker 1: out and you're so like I can like I don't
Speaker 1: even want to think about dead puppies. Anymore. And if
Speaker 1: you're coverage, if you're last up to get your coverage,
Speaker 1: coverage is when they're you know, the camera's pointed at you,
Speaker 1: and you do you do the scene, um you're featured
Speaker 1: by the time they get to you. Sometimes it's just
Speaker 1: your drained Like you said, it's it's just not there,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it is. It comes out of nowhere. That's
Speaker 1: what's so beautiful about acting, too, right, because it's sort
Speaker 1: of magical and you never know. Sometimes crazy beautiful stuff happens,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it doesn't. I agree, you know, And that's
Speaker 1: what that's also like. Sometimes I'm like I used to
Speaker 1: feel guilty, but then I was like, no, like that's
Speaker 1: good acting too, Like I'm acting like I'm really doing
Speaker 1: this shit and nobody's clocking me for it, so you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like that was good? Right? Oh
Speaker 1: you mean like if you feel like I know, I
Speaker 1: used to be like, oh fuck, am I not supposed
Speaker 1: to tell people I use it tear sick because people
Speaker 1: would come a crappyr actor. That's the thing. We don't
Speaker 1: use it all the time. It's it's once in a
Speaker 1: while when you feel like, Okay, I need to I
Speaker 1: need to be there at this level of emotions and
Speaker 1: I'm not there, so and then you do it, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't We don't use it all the time a
Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, don't like to spend the
Speaker 1: whole time thinking like, oh my god, there are no
Speaker 1: tears coming. Yeah, they're just like taking yourself out of
Speaker 1: the scene. You're not thinking about what you want from
Speaker 1: the other person. Do you think Meryl Streep uses a tearstick? Hell? No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But you think she's just that great? Yes,
Speaker 1: But I've also seen scenes where she's super emotional and
Speaker 1: crying and there's no tears and it still works and
Speaker 1: your eyes are sort of well up and do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like it doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: full on tears all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And again she's so wonderful. Somebody get fucking Meryl Streep
Speaker 1: on this podcast so that we can a tear stick.
Speaker 1: Do you use a tear stick? I want to find out.
Speaker 1: I've got to know somebody that knows her. I met
Speaker 1: her daughter once. But do you think it'd be weird
Speaker 1: if I went right up to her daughter be like,
Speaker 1: does your mother? It would be a little weird. I
Speaker 1: think yeah, but I think you should still do it
Speaker 1: because you're probably not that close with her, right, No,
Speaker 1: don't care if I promise here now today, folks, if
Speaker 1: I run into Gracie Gummer, Mami Gummer, I like those names. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I run into them, I'm an asking that their
Speaker 1: mom uses a tearstick. Oh, we have to talk about
Speaker 1: Carry Washington in her first White House state dinner dress.
Speaker 1: That is she No one wears clothes like Harry Washington.
Speaker 1: So this is the first time we see Olivia Pope
Speaker 1: dressed up going to a White House extravagant event, right,
Speaker 1: this is the first time we see her, and it's remarkable.
Speaker 1: I mean, she looks so gorgeous. And when they're dancing
Speaker 1: and his hands are on her back because the dress
Speaker 1: is backless and it's white, and I'm just like, yes,
Speaker 1: you know again. Adam walked into the room, he left,
Speaker 1: and then he came back for this part and he
Speaker 1: was like, my god, they were so good together. Harry
Speaker 1: had good chemistry with that white dress. That dress was outstanding.
Speaker 1: She looked remarkable. It really was. Yeah, so classy, so hot,
Speaker 1: And I also felt so bad for Mellie, like cut
Speaker 1: to like what Mellie's wearing in like some sort of
Speaker 1: dumpy hairstyle and like a crappy sort. It's not crappy,
Speaker 1: but it was like matron le right compared to Olivia Pope. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, Carrie had a lot of
Speaker 1: skin out and stuff and I was like, wow, Melly,
Speaker 1: you don't stand a fucking chance like that wig was
Speaker 1: on tight on Carry's head. And their chemistry during the
Speaker 1: dancing when he was like, meet me in our spot,
Speaker 1: She's like, don't look at me, don't look at me
Speaker 1: or whatever. He goes to that spot to wait for her,
Speaker 1: and she's sort of on her way to meet him,
Speaker 1: and Cyrus first stops Olivia and he's like, um, get
Speaker 1: out of here. We don't want you here. We know
Speaker 1: you're trying to blackmail us, because because in the meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Cyrus receives a recording of Fits having sex with a
Speaker 1: woman and they obviously assume it's a Manda Tanner, and
Speaker 1: Cyrus thinks that it was Olivia Pope that is trying
Speaker 1: to blackmail them, So he stops Olivia Pope in her
Speaker 1: tracks where she's going to meet Fits, and he's like, hell, no, fuck,
Speaker 1: you think you're doing get out of here, and he
Speaker 1: throws her out of the White House, and then he
Speaker 1: goes to the spot where Fits is waiting for Olivia
Speaker 1: and he sort of, you know, tells him. He's like,
Speaker 1: I know what you're doing. You're waiting here for fucking Olivia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well she's not coming because she's trying to blackmail us. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's it's really interesting how Cyrus is sort of that
Speaker 1: in between that middle guy. He is a sticky, tricky,
Speaker 1: smart character. He's just like always looking he's he's just
Speaker 1: doing what's in what he thinks is in his own
Speaker 1: best interest, no matter who. Yes, he has to sort
Speaker 1: of cross and doubles. He's playing double sides all the time.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and he plays us so brilliantly, especially in
Speaker 1: this scene, I mean always, Oh my god, he's such
Speaker 1: an amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing actor. Then this episode
Speaker 1: takes such a turn for darkness for me, which is
Speaker 1: I sab when the mom calls the cops on Travis,
Speaker 1: Can I tell you what's so dark and why I
Speaker 1: think that? And I'm so sorry I'm going to go here.
Speaker 1: Pause you have a son now? Yeah? Yeah, Because it
Speaker 1: made you think, like would I do this to my kid. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would. Hopefully I never have
Speaker 1: to know, but I do. I get so worried about
Speaker 1: raising a kind boy, a kind white boy in this world,
Speaker 1: and him ever hurting someone, and me being completely aghast
Speaker 1: and shocked by, like, I can't believe I like raised
Speaker 1: a monster. You know, she has all these brilliant monologues
Speaker 1: where she was like I was never there, I never
Speaker 1: made it to his games, and I'm fucking all up
Speaker 1: in my son's shit. You're such a present mom, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're all up in his grill. Okay, what else haven't
Speaker 1: we talked about this episode? What are other favorite things
Speaker 1: we should talk about? How the character who is accusing
Speaker 1: this young piece of crap who supposed he raped her,
Speaker 1: we find out the OPA team ends up discovering that
Speaker 1: it was her best friend that in fact was raped
Speaker 1: by him, and she then and that girl ended up
Speaker 1: killing herself. He paid her off. She ends up killing
Speaker 1: herself and so her friend we cut to what is
Speaker 1: this character's name, Helen? Yeah, Helen. So Helen ends up
Speaker 1: dying her hair and sort of I don't want to
Speaker 1: say stalking because that has a nasty edge because she
Speaker 1: was trying to get this guy back for what he
Speaker 1: did to her best friend. Yeah, she's trying to blackmail him. No,
Speaker 1: what would the word be. She trying to trick him
Speaker 1: into like taking her out and having sex with her,
Speaker 1: and then she accuses him of raping her. But you know,
Speaker 1: and so the OPA team finds out and Booger ends
Speaker 1: up like destroying her on the stand and she's crying.
Speaker 1: It's such a sad emotional scene because you feel for her.
Speaker 1: You're like, she's she was fucking stepping up for her
Speaker 1: best friend who ended up killing herself because this guy
Speaker 1: raped her. So she was like, I'm gonna dye my hair,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find this dude. Then I'm gonna end up
Speaker 1: accusing him. Anyway, it was all obviously, you know, when
Speaker 1: when it's all discovered, they can't prosecute because it wasn't her,
Speaker 1: it was her friend. And Travis fucking gets off because
Speaker 1: he's a piece of shit. And then the mom has
Speaker 1: to make this choice about calling the you know, Olivia
Speaker 1: goes to her door and says, what he did wasn't
Speaker 1: your fault, but how you handle it now is right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so she calls the cops on him, and then
Speaker 1: I freak out about raising a sun. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: mother ends up calling the cops on him and they
Speaker 1: take him away, which is so satisfying. It's so great.
Speaker 1: And he's like, what's so satisfying, Get the fuck out
Speaker 1: of here. We would say we'll be right back the
Speaker 1: other thing. I love. Two more things about this episode, okay,
Speaker 1: three one, Tony says, why do you invite live? And
Speaker 1: Mellie says, in that classic creepy, fucking Bellamy knows all
Speaker 1: type way, she's just like, you needed to see her.
Speaker 1: You slept better last night, didn't you? And You're like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on with this relationship? Yeah?
Speaker 1: She knows? What does she know? How much does she know?
Speaker 1: This feels so itchy and so interesting, and I love it.
Speaker 1: And the way that Bellamy Young is able to just
Speaker 1: like fucking deliver that in two lines is ridiculous. She
Speaker 1: kind of lowers her voice, she goes down here, I
Speaker 1: know now you can sleep, can't you. We ought to
Speaker 1: make her do that on this vine. Yes, yes, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say you. Speaking of memorable memorable lines, this
Speaker 1: is this the episode where Huck says to Quinn, you're
Speaker 1: weird weird is good, which I love. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't believe we almost stepped over that. No. I
Speaker 1: remember getting that monologue and it said scandal pace as
Speaker 1: fast as you can say at Katie where I call
Speaker 1: get in, And I'm like, you were so good and
Speaker 1: so fast in that scene. Or and that beautiful shot
Speaker 1: of that like stained glass like piece of art whatever
Speaker 1: it was behind you. Oh, it's such a great And
Speaker 1: then Huck is waiting at the door and he says,
Speaker 1: and you say you're weird, and I say, no, I'm not,
Speaker 1: and you say, weird is good, and I say, thank you.
Speaker 1: We're so stoics. It's the best. Weird is good. And
Speaker 1: right here, right now is even like the beginning of
Speaker 1: the quinnin Hawk Shit. Yes, yes, you're already seeing what
Speaker 1: they're fucking doing. Like yeah, I'm not sure if they
Speaker 1: knew or they didn't know. Yeah, I think they were
Speaker 1: starting to kind of feel feel it going that way,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just so great. And
Speaker 1: then another scene that stuck out. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you were going to say this one too, is when
Speaker 1: she's at the bar and she's waiting for Gideon and
Speaker 1: he hawks shows up and he's like, put your hair down,
Speaker 1: flirt a little bit, but not too much. Don't drink
Speaker 1: the real drinks. Drink you drink this. You pay off
Speaker 1: the bartender. By the way, we see the Quinninhok thing,
Speaker 1: and then we see Quinn say to live, which I
Speaker 1: kind of I didn't like, hate my performance, which is good.
Speaker 1: I said, um, well, I trust my gut and I
Speaker 1: think she's lying. Yeah, And I just fast forwarded all
Speaker 1: the way to like the end of the series where
Speaker 1: Opa is QPA and this whole thing started because Olivia Pope,
Speaker 1: I mean didn't start. She can do a million things,
Speaker 1: but one of the things that makes Olivia Olivia is
Speaker 1: her gut. And we already see from the beginning of
Speaker 1: Scandal that Quinn's got one too. I thought of that too.
Speaker 1: It's so brilliant. But then I at first I was like,
Speaker 1: fuck is it Olivia supposed to be the only one
Speaker 1: that you know, goes with her gut. But then I thought, well,
Speaker 1: that's the whole reason that she put this team together.
Speaker 1: That's the reason why she got freaking Lindsay Dwyer and
Speaker 1: changed her identity. She knew there was something special about you,
Speaker 1: about Huck about Harrison, about Abbey, about all of them.
Speaker 1: They're all flawed, but then they're all sort of brilliant
Speaker 1: in their own way too. So you see when Quinn says,
Speaker 1: you know, I trust my gut, and you know, I
Speaker 1: think she's lying, Olivia has that sort of moment of like, wait,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? But then it sort of
Speaker 1: clicks her and she's like, oh shit, Okay, this girl,
Speaker 1: this girl's got a gut too. Whoa which I love.
Speaker 1: The other crazy thing that I have read about on
Speaker 1: the Internet that exists in this like the interweb dark net.
Speaker 1: Remember we would always talk about the dark net web, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: dark web. Some fans seem to think in this whole
Speaker 1: like Olivia has a gut and Quinn has a gut,
Speaker 1: and maybe from the beginning they knew that OPA was
Speaker 1: going to turn into QPA. Supposedly, some fans think that
Speaker 1: Quinn is only named Quinn because it's the closest letter
Speaker 1: from an Oh, Like, all you would have to do
Speaker 1: to make OPA QPA is add that list a line.
Speaker 1: Yeah what is that? There's got to be a name
Speaker 1: for that little line in the queue, right, I wonder
Speaker 1: that's got to be on purpose Olivia Pope and associates. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Quinn Perkins and associates and Perkins, Oh shit, is that
Speaker 1: I have goose Web is fucking crazy? Right? And then
Speaker 1: the episode ends with the big reveal that Amanda Tanner
Speaker 1: is with child. As they used to have to say
Speaker 1: in the fifties on I Love Lucy. They couldn't say pregnant.
Speaker 1: They had to say with child or true. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: couldn't even say I'm pregnant. Yeah, So Amanda Tanner is
Speaker 1: pregnant with what we seem to believe is President Fitzgerald
Speaker 1: Grant's baby, and she's only asked for I sit down
Speaker 1: meeting with him, that's what she wants. Yeah. Um. Some
Speaker 1: fun facts about this episode is that David Rosen is
Speaker 1: seen with a dog. Oh remember on the scanal days
Speaker 1: where I'd be like, let's try going a whole day
Speaker 1: where Gamma Grammar always to Spanish in me so that
Speaker 1: I could learn Spanish, and I would make it one minute.
Speaker 1: I'd be like when Katie was like, Okay, I'm can't
Speaker 1: do it, can't do it, don't say where you're talking about?
Speaker 1: And I love to talk too much, and then we'd
Speaker 1: be like, let's go see what food they got in
Speaker 1: the in the you know, crafty, let's go look at
Speaker 1: for So he's got a dog in this episode. It's
Speaker 1: the only time the dog appears and never appears again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you think they're probably just like this is so expensive,
Speaker 1: like fucking I mean, and also like, you know, how
Speaker 1: many opportunities was there to be, like let's bring in
Speaker 1: the big dog. You know, he was either in his
Speaker 1: office or right opia or wherever, so he kind of
Speaker 1: you know, I get that the dog phased out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The working title for the episode was actually a Woman Scorned.
Speaker 1: The title comes from the phrase hell hath no fury,
Speaker 1: like a woman scorned. Wait, so it's called hell hath
Speaker 1: no fury? Yeah, and it was originally a Woman Scorned.
Speaker 1: I think maybe because a woman scorned people wouldn't know
Speaker 1: that was from a saying yeah, And I guess they
Speaker 1: wanted to leave it sort of a little bit more
Speaker 1: encompassing of a lot of stuff and except instead of
Speaker 1: focusing in on woman the woman part. Maybe Oh that's
Speaker 1: a good point. Perhaps, I don't know. In wrapping up,
Speaker 1: should we do some tweets at the time? Oh you
Speaker 1: ready for o shit? Time time time time, tweet, tweet,
Speaker 1: tweets at the time, tweet at the time, y'all, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, so many of these tweets that I'm reading
Speaker 1: From April twenty sixth, there's a tweet from Guiermo Diaz.
Speaker 1: What did what did you tweet? Dude? I don't even
Speaker 1: freaking remember why I tweeted that shit. It looks like
Speaker 1: it's a response to something, right, because I say, stop
Speaker 1: trying to make fetch happen? Lol? Thanks Mike, glad you're
Speaker 1: enjoying Scandal ABC. Who the hell was I talking to?
Speaker 1: Why is that guy Mike one trying to make fetch happen? Right?
Speaker 1: What is he talking about? And is that Mike Webb
Speaker 1: my boyfriend? Like, I wonder if that's because my boyfriend's
Speaker 1: name is Mike. But I wonder because I remember he
Speaker 1: was on Twitter for like a hot second. But then,
Speaker 1: what was Mike's Twitter name? Do you remember it? I
Speaker 1: don't remember because he was literally on for a second,
Speaker 1: So I wonder if that was him. Anyway, we won't
Speaker 1: ever know, but let me tell you something, that guy
Speaker 1: Mike One, fetch never happened. Twetch never happened on Scandal
Speaker 1: bu Bie by Balloon, Oh, that's a whole other thing
Speaker 1: we got to talk about when that episode comes up
Speaker 1: by balloon, the balloon scene I think was cut. Oh
Speaker 1: no way, I don't think it ever made it to air.
Speaker 1: I really don't. But we'll get there. We could, but
Speaker 1: we could. We remember the episode so we can still
Speaker 1: talk about So then Natalie Abrams also tweeted this night
Speaker 1: Scandal tweets at the Times and Natalie Abrams was like
Speaker 1: a fucking huge journalist, reporter fan who covered Scandal from
Speaker 1: the start when nobody was like the beginning of Scandal,
Speaker 1: nobody cared, nobody gave us press, nobody cared. Nobody cared
Speaker 1: except for Natalie Abrams. She wrote, in case you missed it,
Speaker 1: hashtag scandal scoop. Will Quinn's relationship with Gideon get her
Speaker 1: into trouble? That's not that interesting, but anyway, shout out
Speaker 1: to Natalie Abrams, we love you. Carry tweeted a tweet
Speaker 1: that night of a picture of her in the incredible
Speaker 1: dress with her shy makeup artist, Sherry, and she wrote,
Speaker 1: we have the best crew on TV at Scandal ABC. Yes,
Speaker 1: Sherry Knight, who was Carrie's makeup artist for all seven years.
Speaker 1: She needs to come on this podcast. We love her
Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, we love her. Are there any other
Speaker 1: good ones? Gee? Yeah, there's another good one from Mozilla Junior.
Speaker 1: And she says, Cyrus and Scandal is a lion bleep, bleep, bleep.
Speaker 1: I think what she meant to say is Cyrus and
Speaker 1: Scandal is a lion piece of shit. Exclamation by esclamation
Speaker 1: esclamation point. And then she says, I'm angry exclamation point
Speaker 1: hashtag scandal. This is really starting to ramboup. Oh, someone's
Speaker 1: got a good note for us. Sad bitch summer at
Speaker 1: Twinkies and Wine says the only bad thing about Scandal
Speaker 1: that the transitions are seizure inducing. I love. I think
Speaker 1: she means because the clicks of the camera right, it
Speaker 1: is sort of yes, good luck because we use the
Speaker 1: shit out of that sound effect for seven years. Yes,
Speaker 1: someone else tweeted, And another thing is the person's sort
Speaker 1: of name, Mesha Crump. Yeah, Olivia Pope is a bad,
Speaker 1: bad woman. Exclamation point. Oh wow. People are starting to
Speaker 1: get in their in their feelings about the show. But
Speaker 1: also it's the beginning of the show where I feel
Speaker 1: like people didn't know which way to feel about Olivia
Speaker 1: Pope because very soon, we're going to see from tweet
Speaker 1: at the time that Olivia Pope can do no wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I really feel like at a certain point, Olivia Pope
Speaker 1: was the greatest fucking superhero to have ever graced everyone's
Speaker 1: television screens on Thursday nights at nine or ten o'clock,
Speaker 1: and no one ever tweeted bad shit about Olivia Pope.
Speaker 1: And god forbid you were a character on Scandal who
Speaker 1: was against Olivia Pope at the time, you were fucked.
Speaker 1: And even when she fucking killed that dude with a chair,
Speaker 1: people were so like, Oh, Olivia, She's so wonderful, Olivia.
Speaker 1: The way you kill that guy with a fucking chair,
Speaker 1: she freaking clobbered this motherfucker and killed him. Way you
Speaker 1: rigged an election, the way you cheat. We love you.
Speaker 1: You can do no wrong. Olivia Pope is fucking perfect. YEP.
Speaker 1: At this point, people just like weren't sure. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is only episode three of the hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1: I think we did one super super early on. Yeah, gee,
Speaker 1: did you know? Like I know, we do tweets of
Speaker 1: the time, but I also think that during the show
Speaker 1: there were actual real life scandals of the time. A
Speaker 1: lot of scandals. Listen, I bet there were scandals left
Speaker 1: and right during this whole show. I mean they're scandals
Speaker 1: every day, which we have to do that research too,
Speaker 1: which I'll put you on Gearmo. Since you're the researcher
Speaker 1: of the show who researches all the guest stars in
Speaker 1: their links to horror films, I need you to also
Speaker 1: put on the list scandals of the time I'm on it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, g I kind
Speaker 1: of don't, but tell me if you do. During the
Speaker 1: airing of this episode, all these secret service dudes were
Speaker 1: relieved of their duties because they were all messing around
Speaker 1: with prostitutes allegedly. Yeah, but that's what's so crazy about
Speaker 1: scandal is that, like, nothing we did was far from truth. Yeah. Ever,
Speaker 1: but also that sounds so vanilla right now in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, when the twice impeached disgraced former president like
Speaker 1: stole literal documents from the White House and he has
Speaker 1: them in his freaking you're so right house or wherever
Speaker 1: the hell it is, and that a couple of prostitutes
Speaker 1: for these secret agents, like yo, they don't have time
Speaker 1: to go date and go to bar. Yeah, they're working
Speaker 1: twenty four hour fucking shifts trying to keep the fucking
Speaker 1: most important person of the free world alive. It's like
Speaker 1: they need to pay for a quick fifteen minute blowjob. Yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: sex work is a respectable, like legitimate business. And have
Speaker 1: you ever been to Amsterdam? I haven't, No, I thought
Speaker 1: you were. Can ask me if I've ever hired a
Speaker 1: prostitute in Amsterdam, where sex work is legal. It's so fascinating.
Speaker 1: But at seven o'clock in the morning, people are just like,
Speaker 1: there's the line of the rows that are you know,
Speaker 1: men women in straight gay this that the other thing.
Speaker 1: You're walking past their little role their little rooms with
Speaker 1: the little and it's all like regulated and measured and
Speaker 1: safe and like a transaction. Yeah, and a transaction. What
Speaker 1: were we talking about? Oh yeah, the Secret Service guys
Speaker 1: that that scandal doesn't seem like seems so vanilla right now,
Speaker 1: right like the fact that that was a scandal back then.
Speaker 1: Now it's like really like, I love scandals of the times,
Speaker 1: though it does seem vanilla. I hope all those Secret
Speaker 1: Service agents have found employment since then, I guess, or
Speaker 1: have married some of their you know, prostitutes found love perhaps, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: Or now that they're unemployed they have lots of free
Speaker 1: time to date. Yeah, now they don't have to pay
Speaker 1: for sex exactly. Well, it brings up to the point
Speaker 1: of Harrison in the season one where you know, when
Speaker 1: Abby's so fucking mad at him about him that Stephen
Speaker 1: uses you know, the dame to pay for sex for
Speaker 1: the madam exactly, and Harrison is like, well, like whatever,
Speaker 1: we're all paying for it. I do it. You know,
Speaker 1: whether it's for dinners or nights out or taking into
Speaker 1: the movies or some fancy restaurant. I mean, it's the
Speaker 1: same bullshit, different day. You know, It's like there you
Speaker 1: have it, listeners. There you have scandals of the time. Yes, um, Gladiators,
Speaker 1: we love you. This is the joy of my life
Speaker 1: to get to just hang out with Guierrimo Diez and
Speaker 1: talk about scandal and relive these amazing memories and experiences
Speaker 1: we had. Yes, you guys, we have such exciting fun things.
Speaker 1: This was episode one oh three, And we've got guests
Speaker 1: coming out that you're not coming up and out. I
Speaker 1: sort of mashed those words both. Maybe some of them
Speaker 1: are coming out too, you never know. We've got Axana
Speaker 1: Bayoul coming out. We got Axana Bayol, whom I want
Speaker 1: to make a correction. She's not a Russian skater. She
Speaker 1: was a Ukrainian skater. Anyway, I didn't want to but yes, oh,
Speaker 1: and Axana Bayoul and Brendan Hines, I hope are very
Speaker 1: happy to No, that's not true. Yes, we're we can
Speaker 1: have there. We should have them on talk about their wedding.
Speaker 1: We have exciting guests coming on. Stick with us, so
Speaker 1: much fun recapping of episodes, and we have like I
Speaker 1: can't even tell you the guests. We're going to be
Speaker 1: talking to all of your favorite Scandal characters and how
Speaker 1: they came to be oh Pa, the White House, like
Speaker 1: they all going to be on here. So stay tuned,
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