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Speaker 1: From I Heart podcasts, I Am five five Freddie and

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Speaker 1: This is fifty Years of hip Hop podcast series. Born

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Speaker 1: April sixteenth, nineteen fifty five, Clyde Campbell aka DJ Coolhirk

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Speaker 1: is a Jamaican American DJ recognized for contributing to the

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Speaker 1: development of hip hop music. Pirk is considered a founding

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Speaker 1: father who played an integral part in raps beginnings. DJ

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Speaker 1: Coolhirk was a part of laying the first building blocks,

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Speaker 1: that's right, the foundation of hip hop. Known for hosting

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Speaker 1: parties in his building at fifteen twenty Cedric Avenue back

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Speaker 1: in August eleventh, nineteen seventy three. That's when he gave

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Speaker 1: the first party, him and his sister, Cindy Campbell. It

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Speaker 1: was a back to school jam and DJ Coolhirk. He

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Speaker 1: was a DJ and the MC that got that party

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Speaker 1: going and flowing. And a lot of other early cats

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Speaker 1: that would go on to blow up and become major

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Speaker 1: influences and forces in hip hop they were at that

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Speaker 1: party too. It's had this whole hip hop thing starts

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Speaker 1: to roll and take control. Grandmaster Kaz Rapper, extraordinary songwriter

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Speaker 1: and DJ member of the legendary hip hop group The

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Speaker 1: Code Crushed for others. They got a reck room inside

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Speaker 1: the building where they live at. A reck room is

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Speaker 1: a room that everyone in the building has access to.

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Speaker 1: Some people call it the community room, all right, So

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Speaker 1: if you have it, if the buildings having a bake

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Speaker 1: sale or whatever, they have it in a community room.

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Speaker 1: And they have a tenant meeting or whatever, they have

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Speaker 1: it in the community room. So Cindy wanted to throw

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Speaker 1: a party in there, make a couple of dollars for

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Speaker 1: some school clothes. They charged twenty five cents for girls.

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Speaker 1: If the cents for guys and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: are purported or we're purportedly in that particular party, but

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Speaker 1: as cool Herker himself will tell you that's not the true. Okay,

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Speaker 1: fifteen twenty Central Gavel is a residential apartment building. But

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Speaker 1: that reck room only about eighty people, Okay, a hundred

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Speaker 1: if you dance real close together, and that don't count

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Speaker 1: to the room for the equipment and everything else. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a small space and it was basically family and

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Speaker 1: friends orientated. No, I wasn't here. I was too young, okay,

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Speaker 1: but I caught the vibe up the block and just

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Speaker 1: living two blocks away, you know, we got the word firsthand.

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Speaker 1: Whatever went on, Like the older kids from the block

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Speaker 1: would go to Cool Hurt parties. So I'll blocked with

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Speaker 1: clear autum and everybody like, Yo, what's up with y'all going?

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Speaker 1: We y'all going? You know we're shore, He's that, what's up?

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Speaker 1: We are going? What y'all doing? Oh, we're going to

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Speaker 1: cool Hurt party. We're going to cool Hurt party. And

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Speaker 1: all the cool dudes. If all the block girls go

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Speaker 1: down to cool Hurt party and we just left on

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Speaker 1: the block. And so that's when I went upstairs and

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Speaker 1: got my turntable. I'm like, well, and I would play

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Speaker 1: like Cool Hurt too. Hurk was known, you know for

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Speaker 1: playing basketball. My older cousin, Butchie used to play basketball

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Speaker 1: with Cool Hurt down that Roberto Clemente State Park. That's

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Speaker 1: another way that I that I knew of him. But

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Speaker 1: as far as the party is concerned, it was just

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Speaker 1: like this name, you know, this image almost like godlike

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Cool Hurt. You know, back

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Speaker 1: then people take it for granted now, you know, because

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Speaker 1: we're around the same man. We're about five years maybe

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Speaker 1: four or five years in major part when I was

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Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen, years old. Who Herkle was God. If you

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Speaker 1: love hip hop, if you love music, if you love

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Speaker 1: break dancing, then Cool Hercles God Grand Wizit did pioneering

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Speaker 1: hip hop DJ. Credited as the inventor of the scratching technique.

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Speaker 1: Coolherd came over from Jamaica. When he came here from Jamaica,

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Speaker 1: he had to Americanize himself. He had to get used

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Speaker 1: to this coachure here and that's when he met Koklerock

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Speaker 1: and cookel Rock introduced her to the culture there was

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Speaker 1: Hurt started playing music. He had the big giant speakers,

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Speaker 1: he had the big thrown turntables. So Herd played a major,

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Speaker 1: major part in hip hop. You know, people come to

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Speaker 1: his um parties that come to us block parties. And

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Speaker 1: I remember when I first went to one of her

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Speaker 1: block parties. He was one sixty nine Street and Washington Avenue.

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Speaker 1: And when I came and seeing those big giant speakers

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Speaker 1: And hrk was like even thought he was like ten

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Speaker 1: And that's that's what the memories that I had A

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Speaker 1: Cool Hirk and I'm just so glad that I was

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Speaker 1: able to experience that, and then going to see the

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Speaker 1: twins dancing, and then you know, all the people hustling

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Speaker 1: in the park, hustling in the you know, Cooler play

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Speaker 1: a major, major part this off form, this culture that

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Speaker 1: we call hip hop now. When cool Hirk and his

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Speaker 1: three in their building at fifteen twenty Cedric, what he

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Speaker 1: did was not yet called hip hop, but once again

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Speaker 1: he laid those important first bricks in the foundation of

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Speaker 1: what grew to hip hop music today. And also because

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Speaker 1: cool Her came from Jamaica, the birthplace of reggae and

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Speaker 1: dancehall music, a close cousin to the rapping part of

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Speaker 1: hip hop, these forms developed almost simultaneously, yet independent and

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Speaker 1: unaware of each other, but they were both largely influenced

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Speaker 1: by black radio DJs, Jamaican sound system DJs. They can

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Speaker 1: tune in on a late night to radio stations from

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Speaker 1: New Orleans and Florida that would make it over to

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Speaker 1: the island of Jamaica. Yeah, that was the biggest inspiration

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Speaker 1: down there. And DJs like Cox and Dodd and Lee,

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Speaker 1: Scratch Perry and those guys took it to the next

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Speaker 1: level as the first producers of reggae music. Brand Mix

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Speaker 1: of DXT, one of the earliest to use turntables as

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Speaker 1: a musical instrument and the first turntableists. We call her

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Speaker 1: the Father because he gave us. He gave us a platform,

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Speaker 1: he gave us a space to do what we do,

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Speaker 1: and he kept feeding us the music the dancers. You know,

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Speaker 1: he could have he was much older, he could have

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Speaker 1: went to the old the crowds and played for them.

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Speaker 1: He stayed with us. That's why we called him the Father.

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Speaker 1: And so again it's a being boys story. We went

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Speaker 1: to herts parties because he was playing hit records that

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Speaker 1: the radio didn't play. They were hits for us, but

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Speaker 1: the radio wasn't played. And some of those records were new,

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Speaker 1: they weren't old, they were new records, and his playlist

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Speaker 1: spoke to the dancers, and so he played that music

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Speaker 1: that we danced to. Russell Simmons record executive and entrepreneur

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Speaker 1: Cool DJ Herder is the founding father. He is the

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Speaker 1: person who most responsible and most visible as the godfather

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Speaker 1: hip and there's a party in nineteen seventy three that

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Speaker 1: documents for us for now and fably forever, the founding

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Speaker 1: date for hip hop. It's party by Flyer and he

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Speaker 1: had a rapper Coopla Rockets who GJ Hirk rapper I'm

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Speaker 1: not mistaken, and he was said to be the first

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Speaker 1: rapper and Cool Hirk was said to be the first

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Speaker 1: hip hop DJ. So so we created hip hop as

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Speaker 1: a response to being locked out of you know, have

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Speaker 1: to create all because they sed up our music as

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Speaker 1: they had every generation before us, and so we created

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Speaker 1: hip hop. Peter Gunns hip hop artists and Bronx representative

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Speaker 1: Cool Hirt was you know, I was four years old

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Speaker 1: when Cool Hurt was doing that thing. So from the

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Speaker 1: godfathers and the people I grew up with under Grand

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Speaker 1: Master Kazz, he explained to me that Hurt was, you know,

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Speaker 1: bringing the system out and you know DJ and doing

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Speaker 1: what other people were doing. And he said the stage

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Speaker 1: for you know, flash Bamboda. A lot of people don't

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Speaker 1: like you know at this point, understandably, so you're bamboos flowers,

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Speaker 1: but you got to give credit where credit due, whether

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Speaker 1: you like to or not. And Boa plays a very

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Speaker 1: big part of this coaching. I grew up across the

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Speaker 1: bridge from from one standing fourth vice that's right across

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Speaker 1: the bridge literally called Bronx River Projects. That's where ban

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Speaker 1: Bodin was set off. And as far as all alleged

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Speaker 1: doctors off to give ban bot a lot of propers

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Speaker 1: to just as well as Core, they give Bamboo's property

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Speaker 1: as well. Is one of the main innovators of what

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Speaker 1: we all do. Is innovation is chewing out loud that

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Speaker 1: we call scratching. There are no creations and inventions in

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Speaker 1: hip hop. They're all innovations. Core is the main reason

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Speaker 1: why most of us are doing what we're doing because

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Speaker 1: what he did was he created the platform for us

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Speaker 1: to reconnect to that energy. Hip Hop doesn't start in

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Speaker 1: the Bronx, starts in a people. It's not from the Bronx,

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Speaker 1: it's from a people, and so here we are. It's

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Speaker 1: amazing to me that it's been fifty years since hip

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Speaker 1: hop was born in the Boogie Down Bronx. Hip Hop's

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Speaker 1: foundations were being laid in the nineteen seventies brick by

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Speaker 1: brick by mobile DJ's playing disco and other forms of

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Speaker 1: black music all over the city. But it was at

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Speaker 1: fifteen twenty Sedgwick Avenue, an apartment building in the mars

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Speaker 1: Heights neighborhood of the Bronx, New York City. The location

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Speaker 1: respected and historically believed to be the birthplace of hip hop.

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Speaker 1: Underneath the grit, grime and spreading violence, a new form

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Speaker 1: of music was created while large parts of the Bronx

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Speaker 1: was abandoned, burned, and forgotten. Welcome to the Bronx, New

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Speaker 1: York in the ninth teen seventies pretty much um. Back

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Speaker 1: in summer seventy seven, one of the hottest summers on

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Speaker 1: record here in New York City, there was a blackout

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Speaker 1: at the time. Other blackout. I was playing in the park.

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Speaker 1: I was battling a crew, the master Plan Bunch. We

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Speaker 1: about to go in. So I set up my records

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Speaker 1: boom boom, and I mean to put the first one

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Speaker 1: on the intron, like yeah, okay, I'm about to get

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Speaker 1: it right now. I got my next joint, The next

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Speaker 1: joint I'm about to drop. It's gonna bust y'all in

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Speaker 1: the head. Y'all might as well pack up and leave.

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Speaker 1: Once the drop. Okay, gave it a little zigger ziggle boom,

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Speaker 1: brought that shit in. That's she said. Lovel bloom gloo.

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Speaker 1: Turntable cut off, Then the other turn table cut off,

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Speaker 1: then the mix of cut off, then the amps it off,

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Speaker 1: and then I looked over at them. They cut off

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Speaker 1: two and then I'm looking up at the light poles

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Speaker 1: in the street, and one by one, every light pole

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Speaker 1: in the street is going out, one by one, not

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Speaker 1: all together, one by one, poo poo, poo, poo, poop poop,

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Speaker 1: until the whole street was dark. Now we all standing around.

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Speaker 1: The crowd is buzzing like what the is going on?

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Speaker 1: And everybody got the realization at the same time. Oh,

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Speaker 1: blackout hit the stores. Yet I was purported to have,

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Speaker 1: you know, gotten some ill gotten gains out of the blackout. Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe so, maybe so, but not not a lot. And

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Speaker 1: actually one piece. I got one piece out of the

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Speaker 1: place where I bought my first set of DJ equipment,

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Speaker 1: which I think they overcharged me for anyway, So I

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Speaker 1: just was getting back some of that. Um, I got

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Speaker 1: a mixer. The whole thing was trying to get the

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Speaker 1: fuck out of that park, all right. It was pandemonium

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Speaker 1: going on in the streets, and everybody was just You've

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Speaker 1: seen people walking down the street with couches and furniture,

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Speaker 1: and I mean it was crazy. I remember back when

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Speaker 1: that riot, when them riots went down in seventy seven, Man,

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Speaker 1: it was crazy. It was a heat wave in New

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Speaker 1: York City. People were already outside all day, all night,

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Speaker 1: all the time because very few people in the hood

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Speaker 1: had any kind of air conditioning. But yeah, man, it

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Speaker 1: was crazy back at seventy seven. When the lights went out,

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Speaker 1: people went to go get what they never could have

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Speaker 1: access to, you know what I'm saying. And a lot

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Speaker 1: of Bronx DJs, A lot of DJs were created after

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Speaker 1: the blackout in nineteen seventy seven. Man, a lot of

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Speaker 1: they even know where they started that? Because you gotta

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Speaker 1: remember besides terrorists Juan and Fat Joe and a few others,

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Speaker 1: slick Rick. They don't want to give us slick Rick

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Speaker 1: because they always say in London, but no slick was

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Speaker 1: raised in the Bronx, you know, So we didn't have

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Speaker 1: the rappers, you know, you know, all the hot rappers,

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Speaker 1: all the dudes that was popping was coming from Queens

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Speaker 1: and Brooklyn and you know they start Nowland and you know,

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Speaker 1: all of them and all that. So I think people

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Speaker 1: forgot and that's what inspired me to do that hook

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Speaker 1: that the whole world started singing at one point. Brosses right,

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Speaker 1: probably never would be going on to tell me when

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Speaker 1: you farm up town, maybe up town, maybe we get

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Speaker 1: down maybe for the Crown. Maybe now if it wasn't

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Speaker 1: for the Brons. They emphasize that two or three times

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Speaker 1: on that hook, like yeah, they paved the way. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I might say one of the most controversial

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Speaker 1: answers of this interview, somebody else would it? Did it?

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Speaker 1: And the Bronze they did it? Somebody else would it?

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Speaker 1: Did it? Our people were so beautiful, man, and they're

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Speaker 1: so innovative and visionaries, and somebody else would it? Did it?

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So the Bronze started the foundation.

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Speaker 1: If it would have started in Atlanta, who knows. But

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Speaker 1: it needed to started the Boss because the Boss was

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Speaker 1: the Monk and mud. It was like you at the bottom,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So something great had to happen.

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Speaker 1: Manhattan was always known for getting money, good or bad,

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Speaker 1: whether it's drug l and whatever it is. Matt was

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Speaker 1: mad Queen's. They got beautiful houses out there, beautiful landscaping,

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn Wallace, but Biggie So there's a lot of money

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Speaker 1: in the blocks, Birthful Down Facts Hallim was burned down,

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Speaker 1: but the whole man, you know, give me with it.

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Speaker 1: Burn Down Down didn't getting money to me here, y'all whatever,

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Speaker 1: but the blocks, you know. So something great had to happen,

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Speaker 1: and hip hop was it. On the next episode of

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Speaker 1: fifty Years of Hip Hop podcast series, we look at

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Speaker 1: the DJ's essential role in the creation of rap music

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Speaker 1: and find out who really coined the term hip hop.

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Speaker 1: This episode has been executive produced by Dolly S. Bishop,

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Speaker 1: hosted and produced by your Boy Fab five Freddie, Produced

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Speaker 1: by Aaron A. King Howard, edit Nick sound by Dwayne Crawford,

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Speaker 1: Music scoring by Trey Jones, Taling Booking by Nicole Spence