1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: with on our radio. 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: It's the almost Famous podcast, and today we're going to 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: be doing a deep dive into maybe the craziest thing 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: to ever happen in Bachelor Nation. It was a story 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: that gripped us all full of twists, lies, pregnancy accusations, 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: with our former bachelor Clayton Eckerd at the center of it. 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 2: He's got a new podcast out today called Love Trapped, 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: Owens Versus Eckerd. Welcome back to the podcast, Clayton Eckerd. 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 3: So, Clayton, let's talk about this new podcast that you 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 3: have launching today. It's called Love Trapped, Owens Versus Eckerd, 12 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 3: and it's a part of a podcast that's already existed before, right, 13 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 3: Love Trapped. 14 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 4: I should know that. 15 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 5: I know that there's there were plans to potentially share 16 00:00:58,560 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 5: more stories. 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 4: Okay, just this one. 18 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 5: So my understanding is like this is a series, Well 19 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 5: could be a series, depending obviously on how well this 20 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 5: performs as a podcast itself, but of course, like there's 21 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 5: other people out there that have went through something similar. 22 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 5: So yeah, it's more like I believe it's going to 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 5: be like the first of potentially many. 24 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 3: That's what the trailers sounded like. It sounded like there 25 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: was going to be more stories to come. There's been 26 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 3: lots of podcasts about scandals like this, but I'm glad 27 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: you're doing one on your own. This was an insane saga, 28 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 3: and I always hate to have you relive it, but 29 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 3: you did relive it fully for this podcast. So can 30 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 3: you give our listeners who may not be up on 31 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: the story, a brief synopsis of what happened to you 32 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 3: over the past couple of years. 33 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 5: Yes, So, long story short, I had an individual reach 34 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 5: out about a real estate transaction. 35 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 4: It was going to be my first deal. 36 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 5: Unfortunately, I end up then engaging with this individual intimately, 37 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 5: and that then kind of convoluted everything. She then ended 38 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 5: up wanting to date start a relationship. I declined. Then 39 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 5: things got got weird. She started, you know, crying and 40 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 5: being emotional and then saying like that she eventually was 41 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 5: pregnant from our interaction. And so this whole then podcast 42 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 5: will go through really just everything that I had faced. 43 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 5: I mean, there's there's audio you know that that was 44 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 5: captured that hasn't been heard before. There's thousands, you know, 45 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 5: there's hundreds, probably hundreds of messages that you know what 46 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 5: we read in detail, and it's just meant to bring 47 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 5: people through like what was happening day by day, as 48 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 5: if somebody was experiencing this for themselves. So it's been interesting. 49 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 5: I've heard the episodes. Uh, and yeah it is. It 50 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 5: does pull you right back in when you start hearing 51 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 5: the text messages being read. 52 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: There's going to be so much of this interview with 53 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 2: you that I don't know how to phrase my question. 54 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 4: So I'm just. 55 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: Gonna say it and see you obviously are reliving it 56 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: through this podcast. 57 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 4: Can you go back? 58 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: Because I think it was a sensitive question to ask 59 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: when we were kind of talking with you while this 60 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: was like in going on, Like what was your mental 61 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: state as this was going on? I would imagine, And 62 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: I only asked this and maybe this will help I 63 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: ask it because if I was in your position, there'd 64 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 2: be the shock of wait what, and then there would 65 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: be almost the well, this isn't true, so there's no 66 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: way this is gonna like play out in her favor, 67 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: and then there'd be for me the fear of, oh 68 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: my gosh, she's actually making some headway here, and like 69 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: taking this a lot more serious that I thought, and 70 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: then it would be confusing, I guess, so maybe that 71 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: would be what I would imagine myself being in your 72 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: position thinking, But can you actually tell me what is 73 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: real and what happened with you? 74 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 4: Yeah? 75 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 5: No, I mean honestly, you've described I mean, the emotions 76 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 5: and pretty much like the stages that I went through. 77 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 4: At first. 78 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 5: It was just like complete utter shock that she was 79 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 5: even claiming that she was pregnant after you know, we 80 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 5: had hooked up and again we didn't have sex. I 81 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 5: talk about in detail. I mean, you can find it 82 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 5: online or on the podcast. You're going to hear exactly 83 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 5: how it went down, because I really had to clear 84 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 5: my name and so I was like, look, I'll share everything. 85 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 5: I'll share all the text messages, I'll walk you through, 86 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 5: play by play what happened. 87 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 4: That night, Clayton. 88 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 3: I just want to pause you right there for a second, 89 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 3: cause that's always been like the most interesting part of 90 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 3: the story. It's okay, there's so much interesting into the story, 91 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 3: but that's always been something that's been so interesting because 92 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 3: you've been so out of it that you guys, never 93 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: had sex, and she was saying that she conceived somehow 94 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 3: without that happening, which is like something that I had 95 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 3: nightmares of in college, being like did I sit on 96 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 3: a bed and a boy just jacked off off? 97 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 4: Yeah? 98 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,559 Speaker 5: Well I someone was like yes, I mean and young 99 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 5: men like we're all like, oh my gosh, did it 100 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 5: like jump? 101 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 4: Can can it jump? Like we yeah, the things that 102 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 4: we jumped to. 103 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 5: But this was more based around the idea of trapping, 104 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 5: which is why it's the in the title. 105 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 4: So somebody that basically takes. 106 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 5: The fluid and then like inserts it and we talk 107 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 5: about that. So that was the concern was that that's that's 108 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 5: how what what had occurred? 109 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 3: How would she have gotten that? 110 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 4: Well, because we did engage sexually. Yeah, so did you 111 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 4: do holding in her hand? 112 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: No, in her mouth, holding in her mouth and spit 113 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 3: it out and put into a vial or just shove 114 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 3: it up? 115 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 4: I don't know. 116 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: Yeah. 117 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 5: Yeah again, Google told me there was a chance, And 118 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 5: I'm like, I smile about it now obviously because I'm 119 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 5: in a place now where I'm on the other side 120 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,119 Speaker 5: of like all of the emotions. And I do also 121 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 5: understand that's you know, people like you share too much, 122 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 5: But that's always been the case for me. I just 123 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 5: I'm like, look, I had to like this was the 124 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 5: only way that I felt I could get through this 125 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 5: was by being just completely transparent. I also feel that 126 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 5: when you do that, people are like, well, look if 127 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 5: he's going to say that, like, there's no way he's. 128 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 4: Making this up. 129 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, Like this guy's going to talk about the good 130 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 5: and the bad, even just even this initial conversation. 131 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 4: It's like, give us a synopsis. 132 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 5: It's like, hey, I was an agent for somebody at 133 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 5: cross professional boundaries, and you know I shouldn't do that, 134 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 5: but I did, you know. 135 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 4: But that's the. 136 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 5: Whole thing that I've realized is like people will believe 137 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 5: you if you paint the whole picture, both. 138 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 4: The good and the bad. I wasn't a saint in 139 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 4: this scenario. 140 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 5: I was just a dude that you know, was going 141 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 5: through some stuff and across to person that was. 142 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:38,239 Speaker 4: Kind of crazy. 143 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: I think again, I'm going to ask questions and they 144 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 2: might be inappropriate. I guess it's out of curiosity. What 145 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 2: made like that evening? Why did you not engage in intercourse? 146 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: And then also on the back end of that, how 147 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: thankful are you that you didn't because this whole thing 148 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 2: gets I mean, that's What gets crazy to me here 149 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: is she wasn't ever pregnant, right is it? 150 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 4: That's the truth. 151 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, But yet there was like even with her not 152 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: being pregnant, it still went as far as it did. 153 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: So say there was the intercourse, how much of this 154 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: court case would it change where you're like, yeah, we did, 155 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: but she's not pregnant. 156 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't really know. Like that's where 157 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 4: this whole thing gets wild. 158 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, And they had found this out recently. There was 159 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 5: some documents released from like the criminal investigation, because she's 160 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 5: facing up to fifty seven years and like fourteen charges 161 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 5: currently and possibly more. I mean there's not just from you, yeah, 162 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 5: not just from me. No, So seven of them were mine, 163 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 5: but there's another seven from a previous individual, and then 164 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 5: there's potentially more on the way. But there was in 165 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 5: the document. There was there was multiple segments where it 166 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 5: stated that there was a man that she was engaging 167 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 5: with intimately before and after talking with me, and they 168 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 5: were having They implied that they were having intercourse, so 169 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 5: she was potentially trying to get pregnant, you know, and 170 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 5: then claim that it was mine. To answer your question, 171 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 5: why didn't we have you know, intercourse that night I 172 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 5: actually wanted to. She I think was shocked that I 173 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 5: invited her over, and then after we talked, I believe 174 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 5: that she thought, in her head, Okay, I actually could 175 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 5: potentially date this guy. 176 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 4: There seems to be chemistry here. 177 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 5: So she said, I don't want to do this yet, 178 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 5: you know, I want to hold off on this, thinking. 179 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 4: That we would have another time. 180 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 5: And then when I abruptly cut it the next day, 181 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 5: when I cut it off and said this was you know, 182 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 5: that was a one time thing, that's when then she 183 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 5: tried to get me to, you know, sleep with her. 184 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 5: She had said, hey, you know you can. I'm already pregnant. 185 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 5: This was, you know, eleven days or twelve days later. 186 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 5: She's like, I'm already pregnant. So I'm the safest person 187 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 5: that you could have sex with. 188 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 4: I'm already pregnant with your child. She's saying, yes, yeah, 189 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 4: oh goodness, courageous. 190 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, I know you've told us this before. 191 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: It's just still crazy every time. 192 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: No, I think it's different now because it's done, and 193 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 2: so it feels a little bit more like, Okay, we. 194 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 5: Can, like we can just talk about it because it's 195 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 5: lighter you know, but I do think again, like yeah, 196 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 5: I mean, look, people they can't believe how crazy crazy 197 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 5: can get obviously until like they hear the stories, until 198 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 5: they see the text messages. And that I think is 199 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 5: wherein people like you're going to be put into my 200 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 5: shoes and the shoes of the other victims, and you're 201 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 5: going to see, you know, obviously like what that would 202 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 5: be like to go through something like this. I mean again, 203 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 5: we have I don't know if I I don't know 204 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 5: how much I can say, you know, I never know 205 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,599 Speaker 5: what this but like we have a voice actress I 206 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 5: go that literally reads these text messages, so like it's 207 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 5: a very immersive podcast. It's not like I sit and 208 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 5: talk to somebody and that's it. You know, there's like 209 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 5: background noise like walking down the street here, cars. 210 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 4: Hard walking. 211 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 5: It's storytelling. Yeah, it's storytelling. And so with the voice actors, 212 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,239 Speaker 5: I've been blown away. I'm like, this is incredible. 213 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 4: You know. 214 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: If voice actress says something along the lines of all 215 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 3: I did wrong was get pregnant with the bats, so 216 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: that was. 217 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 5: Actually that was her voice because that was set on 218 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 5: a police body cam. So yeah, and that makes it 219 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 5: a parents Yeah, that was a pretty iconic line. But yeah, again, 220 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 5: like I, of course, it's it's just the whole thing 221 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 5: was crazy. It's been three years in the making, and 222 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 5: we're still obviously waiting on the court case, you know, 223 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 5: the final court case, which is crazy to think three 224 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 5: years and I thought this was a pretty straightforward shot. 225 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 5: But but you know, of course, then we talk about 226 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 5: how the court system, how it just moves at a 227 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 5: pace that we all wish was a little bit quicker. 228 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: Clayton, I remember the first time I met you was 229 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: we were out in like Napa and you It was 230 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 2: like a car full of people and you were kind 231 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: of I think you were fresh off the show, and yep, 232 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: you were asking questions as so many asks kind of 233 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: following up on the show is like what's life going 234 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: to be like? And all this stuff? And this afternoon, 235 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: actually I have a call with somebody who could potentially 236 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: I don't they haven't picked the next lead if there 237 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 2: is going to be a lead, but could potentially be 238 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 2: the next lead. 239 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 3: You. 240 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: I thought about this because I always try to think about, Hey, 241 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: what do I want to say to this guy? Knowing 242 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 2: who they are a little bit about them. This story 243 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 2: changes my narrative and when I speak to the next 244 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: person or anybody gets off the show in drastic ways. 245 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 4: If you would have came to me back then and 246 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 4: been like, do I have. 247 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: To worry about like girls, you know, like coming after 248 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: me and trying to take advance, like I would have 249 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 2: been like, I don't know that it happened to me, 250 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: But like you, she obviously knew who you were and 251 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: this got really scary. So that goes to my question, then, Clayton, 252 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: trust is such a big element of life for you, 253 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 2: obviously as you're dating. But then also and our team 254 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: at iHeart, I think is disgusted honestly right now with 255 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 2: so much of this story because they're like, Okay, women 256 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: already have a hard enough time coming out when there's 257 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: assault or when they're the victim of a tragic accident. 258 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 2: It's already hard enough for them to open up and 259 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: tell somebody because of the recourse that could happen and 260 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: the fears they have. And that makes sense, right, none 261 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: of us are oblivious to that fact. However, then you 262 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 2: have your story and you're like, she just set all 263 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: this back for so many reasons, or at least attempted 264 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: to set all this back for so many reasons. That's disgusting, 265 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: not only for what happened to you, but what happens 266 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: in the narrative of so many other women. Who are 267 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: you know, who could be a part of something where 268 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: they need to tell somebody, They need to open up 269 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: to somebody and be trusted. So, for somebody that's set 270 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 2: in your shoes, who's been intimately involved in this experience 271 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 2: at the very beginning, what is your take now understanding 272 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: just this disgustingness that she did to set so much 273 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 2: back for so many people. 274 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, I think that the truth prevails, 275 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 5: and so again you have to understand, I'm just taking 276 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 5: this from my own situation. This is just my experience, 277 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 5: and I'm sure somebody could probably counter this, but I 278 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 5: ultimately feel that, like, if. 279 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 4: You're telling the truth, then you're fine. I don't. I 280 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 4: don't believe. 281 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 5: And somebody brings this to light and brings it to 282 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 5: my attention, then I'll be happy to say I'm wrong 283 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 5: on this, But I really don't believe that, Like a woman, 284 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 5: can you know, that's telling the truth can end up 285 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 5: getting hit with, you know, fifty seven years in prison if. 286 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 4: She's telling the truth. Like, I just don't. 287 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 5: You don't get to that point of facing, you know, 288 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 5: having the county attorney take the case over and then 289 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 5: you know, and punish you to this degree. 290 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 4: There's another here example. 291 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 5: Or a case that was taken where I think there's 292 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 5: a woman that's facing nine plus years or more for 293 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 5: doing something similar to a former MLB pitcher, but again 294 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 5: like she was extorting him and committing serious crimes and 295 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 5: was in the wrong. So I don't really I understood 296 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 5: that people were concerned, like, hey, she's making this and 297 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 5: moving it backwards and you know, now all suden people 298 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 5: aren't going to believe women. 299 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 4: But I don't. I don't believe that. I think that's 300 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 4: an extreme response. 301 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 5: I just truthfully believe that, Hey, look, whether it's men 302 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 5: versus women, it shouldn't be. It's just whoever it's there's 303 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 5: it's the victims versus perpetrators, and however they look, whatever 304 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 5: their gender is, that shouldn't matter at all. If you're 305 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 5: telling the truth, you're safe, you know, if you if 306 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 5: you're telling the truth, you're not going to end up 307 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 5: getting in trouble and being in a situation like Laura is. 308 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 4: That's my personal opinion. 309 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 5: So I don't think this would scare any woman away 310 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 5: from bringing this to light. 311 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 4: I don't think so at all. I hope not. I mean, 312 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 4: I hope not. 313 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: Right, these are one but in the scenario you're talking about, 314 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: like that picture lost his career because of this, right, oh. 315 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah he And again I've I don't know a 316 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 4: lot about his story. 317 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 5: I mean there was apparently more going on, but yeah, 318 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 5: he got banished from the league. So it cost him 319 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 5: a lot of a lot of money, a lot of 320 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 5: his energy. And you know, I think here's the thing, 321 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 5: like we this, If this is going to be a 322 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 5: statement being made by the county attorney, then I think 323 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 5: she should make it. You know, the Rachel Mitchell is, 324 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 5: you know, there needs to be punishment for people that 325 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 5: are trying to destroy the livelihood of somebody else. 326 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 4: And I'm not this MLB picture, right, I don't. So, 327 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 4: I'm not. I didn't lose. 328 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 5: Millions of dollars. Have I lost brand deals and such? Yes, 329 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 5: I've lost a few that I can point to. Have 330 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 5: I lost potential other opportunities I'm not aware of, Yes, 331 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 5: I'm sure that being said, you know, it's like, yeah, 332 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 5: I mean there's there's an opportunity cost and then again, 333 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 5: what in return if you do this and you falsely 334 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 5: accuse somebody, you shouldn't just get a slap on the wrist. 335 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 5: Because if someone can get away with this, then it's 336 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 5: going to show other women or men, men and women 337 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 5: that like I can do this and make this whole 338 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 5: thing up and ruin this person's you know, mental state 339 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 5: and worst case scenario like I just got to go 340 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 5: to court and they're just going to dismiss it. So 341 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 5: to me like this, a lot of eyes are on this. 342 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 5: There's been a little bit of like a thought. There's 343 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 5: been a following community, and it's like we're all watching 344 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 5: and looking and saying like, all right now, County attorney, 345 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 5: it's your job to like make this, you know, a 346 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 5: statement so that people don't get you know, do this 347 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 5: going forward. Because if she walks free, serves no time, 348 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 5: and doesn't get any charges, it's I guarantee you this 349 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 5: will this one will lead to a man or a 350 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 5: woman to say, going, you know what, I'm going to 351 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 5: do this because like there's no repercussions. 352 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 4: When do you find out if she's going to be 353 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 4: charged or not? 354 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 5: Well, the trial, Yeah, I mean she's she has to 355 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 5: face a jury, So that's was that late July. I 356 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 5: think it's late July as far as the hearing, which 357 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 5: I'll go, I'll testify against her, and yeah, I mean 358 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 5: I think again, so like if she went, you know, 359 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 5: if she does get charged and she faces time, yeah, 360 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 5: somebody else might be like, it's not worth it. 361 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 4: I don't want to go through this. 362 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 5: You know, this guy might have pissed me off and 363 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 5: I'm mad and I don't like how he treated me 364 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 5: or whatever it might be. But I'm not going to 365 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 5: go try to ruin his life because I could potentially 366 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 5: ruin mine in return. 367 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 3: What a fun trial to be on. 368 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 4: This is a kind of jury I would want to 369 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 4: be called on. 370 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 5: Although I had my brothers comes or one of them 371 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 5: and my parents came to like the previous court and 372 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 5: afterwards he was just like, dude, that was super entertaining. 373 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 4: He's like, I thought this is going to be so boring. 374 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 5: He's like, it was like the things they were releasing 375 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 5: and the comments that were being said and the dramatics, 376 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 5: and I was like, yeah, I mean it's gotten out 377 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 5: of control. I mean, it's like trying not to make 378 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 5: it a clown show. But it's so ridiculous, right, So, 379 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 5: like the evidence is ridiculous. But you have someone that 380 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 5: I don't believe she actually believes what she's saying. 381 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 4: I think she just is. 382 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 5: Her belief is that I can lie my way all 383 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 5: the way to the finish line and then people are 384 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 5: going to go, well, there's no way someone get Like 385 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 5: she asked, she must believe this, And I've even had 386 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 5: that thought. I'm like, I've had that thought where I 387 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 5: was like, is she living in an altered reality? Because 388 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 5: like she is not giving on anything on any front, 389 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 5: she is not holding going all right, I screwed up there, 390 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 5: I'm sorry that was a lie. She hasn't said it, 391 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,959 Speaker 5: like admitted to one lie. So you start to wonder, like, 392 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 5: is she clinically insane? I mean, she will go out there? 393 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 4: Have you ever started thinking you might be too? 394 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 2: Like only I've only asked that because I love what 395 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 2: you said, Clayton, where the truth prevails, Like I love 396 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 2: what you say there, Like, I mean, I believe that 397 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 2: to be true. I think it is one of the 398 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 2: foundations of how we can function as a species. Is 399 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 2: if the truth prevails, then hey, things work out. But 400 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 2: I only ask like you had to at some point 401 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 2: be like I think, like, oh my gosh, do I 402 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 2: not remember something? Or am I going crazy? Or was 403 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: there ever a moment where you thought maybe the truth 404 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 2: wouldn't prevail here where you're like, I might, I might 405 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: have to like live in a reality where noe she wins, 406 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: and I made it look like a fool, even though 407 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 2: I know that I'm. 408 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 4: Telling the truth. 409 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 5: Not so much like again, the reality was either she 410 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 5: was pregnant with my child or she wasn't right. So 411 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 5: so there was obviously fear early on of did she 412 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 5: successfully trap me? And if she did, then like that 413 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 5: child does exist and it will be mine and I 414 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 5: will have to co parent with this individual. 415 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 4: And we had these conversations. 416 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 5: At one point, I was like, you know, I'm not 417 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 5: going to raise this child with you, like either I'm 418 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 5: taking full custody or you are, but I will never, 419 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 5: in any capacity ever co parent with you. 420 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 4: You will drive me insane. 421 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 5: And so that conversation was had at one point because 422 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 5: it was like, well, if you did trap me, regardless, 423 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 5: I have a child now and so I have to, 424 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 5: you know, step up, but we're not going to co parent, right, 425 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 5: So there was fear associated with that, and there certainly 426 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 5: was me questioning is this real or is this not? 427 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 5: Like can I actually believe what she's saying? But once 428 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 5: she went public, like I wasn't concerned that I was 429 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 5: going to lose the narrative because it just really came 430 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 5: down to I when this went public, I said, guys, 431 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 5: I am scheduling a paternity test, and she will schedule hers. 432 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,959 Speaker 4: I never came out and said she's not pregnant, like 433 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 4: it's all fake it, it's all made up. 434 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 5: I'm like, look, I'm not willing to throw all my 435 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 5: chips on black, So I'm going to say, guys, I'm 436 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 5: going to go to a paternity test, and she's she's 437 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 5: going to do her part. And then whenever the first 438 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 5: test came back little you know, to no fetal DNA, 439 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 5: it was incoclue, which they couldn't write a report on, 440 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 5: That's when I threw my chips on black. That's when 441 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 5: I went online and I posted this video and it 442 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 5: was like test came back and I was insinuating that 443 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 5: it was all made up, but I couldn't technically say 444 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 5: that for legality purposes, so I had to say it 445 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 5: exactly as the test came back. But that was the 446 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 5: point at which it was like, well, if for whatever reason, 447 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 5: that test results were messed up, as she said, she 448 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 5: said there was probably an issue with transport and the. 449 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 4: DNA wasn't viable. 450 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 5: If she had to take another test and it would 451 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 5: have come back positive, I mean, yeah, I would have 452 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 5: destroyed my reputation because I was like, at that point, 453 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 5: you just told everyone that it was fake. But that 454 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 5: was the point at which I finally was like, I 455 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 5: can come forward with this and you know, and I'm 456 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 5: going to win this narrative because. 457 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 4: The truth prevails. 458 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 5: The only thing that bothered me was there was more 459 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 5: initial press for the scandal than there was for. 460 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 4: When the truth came out. 461 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 5: That's what bothered me, because it was like the damage 462 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 5: was done because so many people covered the initial story 463 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 5: and probably seventy percent covered the aftermath, and so it 464 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 5: was like, guys will all like, I want to try 465 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 5: to repair all this damage. But there was way more eyes, 466 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 5: you know, that that were on it at first then 467 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 5: three years later, I mean just because I was now 468 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 5: three more years were later, like later removed from the Bachelor. 469 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 5: Less people are paying attention to me than whenever the 470 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 5: story first came out. 471 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 3: So with the court right now it's thought she was 472 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 3: found guilty. She's yeah, I gotta know the legal jargons 473 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 3: because like, I know that you've like celebrated her being 474 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 3: like caught before, beyond just the paternity task or like 475 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 3: the there's no baby thing. When was the last time 476 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 3: you like really celebrated and what was that for if 477 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 3: there's still an impending trial. 478 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I would say the last well, we celebrated 479 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 5: when the county attorneys said that they were going to 480 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 5: place charges upon her, which, of course then until the 481 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 5: court decides that, like, yes, these will be placed upon 482 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 5: her and she will be charged with these particular crimes. 483 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 5: It's like this is what they are, you know, essentially 484 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 5: investigating her for and will be taking her to court for. 485 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 5: But they're not final lot until obviously there's a jury 486 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 5: that decides whether. 487 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 4: Or not she's guilty. But we celebrated. 488 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 5: Last year when I won in court by proving that 489 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 5: she was never pregnant. So there was an order of 490 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 5: non paternity essentially that was made and that was just 491 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 5: so that she couldn't then continue the narrative, although she 492 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 5: still has. But there's a finding in the court stating that, 493 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 5: you know, all the everything shows that she was never 494 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 5: pregnant and certainly not pregnant with his child, and so 495 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 5: that was a conclusive, you know, statement that. 496 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 4: That was a win. Yeah, that was a major wink Clayton. 497 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: As we kind of wrap up here, I do want 498 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: to kind of go back to two things. One is, 499 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: you have this show coming out, and I think it 500 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: is going I guess I I only see it as 501 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 2: it can be good because it will tell the story 502 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: and as you said, the truth prevails. I mean, I 503 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: think through all of this, I feel for you, man. 504 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: I mean, this had to be really hard and hard 505 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 2: for the other victims within this. But I also I 506 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 2: am almost too sick thinking that something like this happened, 507 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 2: that she tried to take advantage of a situation that 508 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 2: is so delicate, and that so many people, like we said, 509 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 2: do have a fear of coming out and talking about 510 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: publicly when something that like unfortunate happens. 511 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 4: It's such a. 512 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: Terrible scenario, and as we said at the beginning, women 513 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: already have a hard enough time coming forward, and the 514 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 2: fact that she tried to take advantage of this situation 515 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 2: is so painful. It makes I think so many of 516 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 2: us sick to our stomach, and I do believe this 517 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,719 Speaker 2: show is going to kind of not only unleash the 518 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 2: truth even further, but help people have an understanding about 519 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 2: how it got to this point. I am very excited 520 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 2: to listen to it. I think so many are for 521 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: so many different reasons. The one part and I do, 522 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 2: and this is where my question comes in, is it's 523 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 2: called love trapped. I am now finding out on this 524 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 2: conversation with you today, and we've talked to you, I 525 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: think three different times in the midst of this battle. 526 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 2: I didn't realize that the theory was that she might 527 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 2: have trapped you? 528 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 4: Is that? 529 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 2: And that's why the name came about love trapped? Is 530 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 2: that what it's referencing is that she was claiming I mean, 531 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 2: did she That's why I'm confused. Did she ever claim that, no, 532 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: we didn't have sex? I trapped him? 533 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:33,719 Speaker 4: Is that? Was that? 534 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 3: We? 535 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 4: So? So? 536 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 5: Trapping is a term that I first heard when I 537 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 5: played Division one ball at Missoo. And it's this concept 538 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 5: or it's this this tactic I suppose where it happened 539 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 5: to a couple of my teammates, a very successful individual. 540 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 5: He's going to go first round in the draft, and 541 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 5: so a woman decides that she wants to date him 542 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 5: and or just be in his life, and she they 543 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 5: engage intimately, and she says she's on birth control. She 544 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 5: somehow gets pregnant, says, oh, I guess I missed a pillar. 545 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 5: I took a pill too late, and then you know, 546 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 5: ends up basically getting half of his earnings when he 547 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 5: makes it to the league. 548 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 4: So like, you know, there's it's. 549 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 5: This idea basically an individual latches on to someone else 550 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 5: that's in a position of you know, influencer power, and 551 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 5: latches onto them in order to seek like most times 552 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 5: financial gain, but it could also be influenced status, whatever 553 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 5: it might be. So that and you know, for me, 554 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 5: it's more also just trapping. It's just a concept of yeah, 555 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 5: like basically you're latching onto somebody and you were deceitful 556 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 5: in the way that you did it, right, So like 557 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 5: this isn't a situation where it's like if somebody likes 558 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 5: somebody and like there's you know, like it just happens 559 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 5: they accidentally get pregnant. It's like when there's the intent 560 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 5: to trick somebody, you know, set a trap and then 561 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 5: you know, work their way into your life. 562 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 4: To where they can seek some type of gain. 563 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 5: For Laura, you know, she she wants to be a 564 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 5: public figure. I guess she technically is, you know, because 565 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 5: she has her podcast and so she's the host, and 566 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 5: she spoke out publicly about her domestic violence in the 567 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 5: past that she experienced. You know, she so from her 568 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 5: like she was trying to latch onto to me and 569 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 5: because I had more eyes on me, and then seguigh 570 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 5: that into how I was, you know, verbally abused by 571 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 5: the bachelor who is a deadbeat father, and I've you know, 572 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,239 Speaker 5: I've made it through another round of abuse and this 573 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 5: is my story. So she was used trapping me into 574 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 5: her her story arc that she could then twist to 575 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 5: her own benefit. 576 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 4: So that's the concept of trapping. 577 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 5: It's it's basically just getting involved in someone's life against 578 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 5: their will essentially. 579 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 3: You know, I'm just so scared for everybody out there 580 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,479 Speaker 3: that women may want to get pregnant by really quickly 581 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 3: on the first date. 582 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 4: I never even thought of those tactics. Oh goodness, gracious, Well. 583 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 5: It's because you're one of those people that would actually 584 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 5: do that. So that's that's a good thing. You know, 585 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 5: you should be you should be proud that you don't 586 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 5: have these thoughts. But that's again, I've seen it. I've 587 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 5: seen it happen. You know, I'm not saying it happens 588 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 5: a lot, but it happens, and it's just like people 589 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 5: of influence are targeted. I've heard some crazy stories of 590 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 5: like a rapper that had to put hot sauce in 591 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 5: the you know, in a condom so that way somebody 592 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 5: wouldn't go grab it and try to artificially inciminate themselves. 593 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 594 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, and they have to because it's like they their 595 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 5: their net worth is so high that somebody gets pregnant 596 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 5: and they go, oh, it's his kid, now pay me 597 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 5: child support. 598 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 4: I would be like celibate for life. 599 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna wait till I'm waiting till i'm married. 600 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 4: I'm yeah. 601 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 3: So wait, how did that affect your dating life? Were 602 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 3: you just scared to bring anyone home? 603 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean, look like I'm still a thirty two 604 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 5: year old man, and so like my urges sometimes it's 605 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 5: like your animal brain kicks in and you're just like, 606 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 5: but it would oftentimes happen afterwards, where like I would 607 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 5: have that like clarity afterwards, and I'd be like Clayton, 608 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 5: like that's where the panic would set it. I'd be like, dude, 609 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 5: like you're gonna run yourself, like you could have this 610 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 5: happen again. 611 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 4: Like Lil Wayne says, when you come you come to 612 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 4: your senses. 613 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 5: I didn't know what all we could say on this, 614 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 5: you know, So I was like, I don't know if 615 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 5: I can say there now, but that's a lyric in 616 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 5: the Little Wayne song. Okay, okay, yeah, I was like, 617 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 5: there's I'm trying to like certain I was like, can 618 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 5: I say condom? 619 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 4: I don't know, but yeah, I mean, it's it's just 620 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 4: it's it certainly has impacted me. 621 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 5: I mean there's there's times where like I think I 622 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 5: have it under control, and then all of a sudden, 623 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 5: I'll get paranoid and I'll start to you know, and 624 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 5: I've had these conversations with some women where I'm like, hey, 625 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, it's me and it's what I've went through, 626 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 5: Like I'm I'm just panicking, like I I think I'm 627 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 5: over it, and then like it just comes creeping back 628 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 5: in because I'm like, yeah, I don't want to go 629 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 5: through another situation like that. It took a heavy toll 630 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 5: on me emotionally, and I couldn't focus on anything. 631 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 4: Else in my life. 632 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 5: You know, while I was going on in the early 633 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 5: stages of that, before she went public, I just all 634 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 5: I could think about was this one was trying to 635 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 5: destroy me, and like she's gonna a full time job, 636 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 5: like she's sending me emails all throughout the day, and 637 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to like fight my you'll save my 638 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 5: reputation while still living my life, Like this is already 639 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 5: taking enough of my energy, and I still have to 640 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 5: show up in every other area of my life and 641 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 5: act as though nothing's going on. Because before it went public, 642 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 5: I didn't want it to go public. I really wanted 643 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 5: to solve this. I sent her a document basically saying, 644 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 5: if you sign off on this, we. 645 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 4: Can act like it never happened. 646 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 5: I'll never bring it up again, you know, Like I 647 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 5: was telling her, you, I know you're lying, so sign 648 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 5: this document, and you know you sign it and will 649 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 5: act like it never happened. I'll move off my life. 650 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 5: So I gave her an out, you know. So there's 651 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 5: like there's these dating contracts that we talk about in 652 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 5: the podcast. There's just like the phone calls to her mom. 653 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 5: You know, like there's there's just there's that, there's the 654 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 5: police reports, there's all this stuff that really again, it's 655 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 5: like for a crime junkie, it's some It's like it 656 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 5: gives you everything that like entails if you were to 657 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 5: be in a situation like this, what are the messages 658 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 5: you'd receive, what are the phone calls that would be made, 659 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 5: the police involvement, all these different people. It's it's pretty immersive. 660 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 5: So I the good thing about it, the documentary or 661 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 5: the podcast, what's great about it is that it will 662 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 5: shed light on this that people will go, Okay, I 663 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 5: gotta be careful because individuals like this do exist. But 664 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 5: you'll also hear about the other victims as well, that 665 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 5: I've received justice because she's she's dragged me through this, 666 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 5: but she's been dragging some men for up to over 667 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 5: ten years in this mess. So you find out about 668 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 5: the other people that have been involved with her prior 669 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 5: to me, and the whole scheme that her family has orchestrated. 670 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 4: It was a whole family ordeal. 671 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 5: So it gets really really deep and just mix mingled 672 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 5: and there's a lot of mess. But the nice thing 673 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 5: is there's a lot of people that are that are 674 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 5: getting justice. It's not just me. 675 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 3: I'm really happy for you that, like something successful might 676 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 3: come from this, because this could be a very popular 677 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 3: podcast and you can maybe even go forward as the host. 678 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 3: Who knows, but like or maybe a lifetime drama will 679 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 3: come of it because it's nut It's a nutty story 680 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 3: and this is a crazy character. How in the world 681 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 3: has somebody knocked not knocked sense into this woman before? 682 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 4: Like, where are her parents? 683 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 5: Her parents are are a part of it. So her 684 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 5: parents are enablers. Yeah, and so as you'll people will 685 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 5: find out, like a lot of cut from the same 686 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 5: cloth aspects at play. So I had spoken to her 687 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 5: mother on a call. I wish i'd have got it 688 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,239 Speaker 5: on record because this is one party state. You can 689 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 5: record people without their permission in the state of Arizona. 690 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 5: But I didn't think that call was going to go 691 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 5: the way it did. I had a phone call early on, 692 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 5: hoping that she her mom was going to say, hey, yeah, 693 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 5: I'll talk with her, like I'm sorry she's going through this, 694 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 5: but no, it was like as if I was talking 695 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 5: to Laura times too. I mean, it was shocking to me. 696 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 5: And that's When I realized, I was like, Okay, I'm 697 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 5: in this really twisted situation where there's no accountability because 698 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 5: the people that raised her are a part of this 699 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 5: as well. They're in on the act. So it is, uh, 700 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 5: Love Trapped. You're going to be co hosting every episode. 701 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 5: It's out now. You can go listen to it. Follow 702 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 5: along Love Trap with Clayton Eckert. It's gonna follow his 703 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 5: story is Clayton just so eloquently teased us. 704 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 4: You're gonna hear. 705 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 2: More into the court case, into the testimonies, into the 706 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 2: family dynamics, into some of the mental mindsets of somebody 707 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 2: like Laura Owens, who has done this to multiple people, and, 708 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 2: as Clayton said, drags some through it. For the last 709 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 2: ten years, Love Trapped out there wherever. You can listen 710 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 2: to the podcast, especially the iHeartRadio app. 711 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 4: Go listen to it. 712 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 2: Clayton, thanks for coming on, Thanks for teasing this huge 713 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 2: drop for you. As Ashley said, we hope it's massively 714 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: successful for you because when something really bad like this happens, 715 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 2: the hope is that something good comes on the back end, 716 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 2: which could be a paycheck and your story being told. Clayton, 717 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: thanks for joining us today. 718 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you so much. 719 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 3: Bye letter. 720 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on iHeartRadio, 721 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.