WEBVTT - #272 - Marlon Craft 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:05.400 Boulet Cap Podcast. We got a special guest, Marlon kraft Man. Welcome, sir, 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:07.920 Thank you for having me. Man. Yes, you and I 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:11.480 have been talking and pandemic happened, and I was like, 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:15.000 when you come to LA and you're finally here, I'm 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:16.800 finally here. It was like I took like a two 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.119 or three year break from coming out here. I was like, 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:21.800 it's good to be back. I love it. Man. Yeah, 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:25.119 I mean obviously uh yeah, I mean you had a 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:30.000 great pandemic though, I mean obviously not I'm talking about career. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.040 It sucked. No, but I feel like you like leveled 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.480 up crazy during like that time period, if you will, 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:39.800 not to sound insensitive, you know, but like, yeah, I 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.360 mean the pandemic wasn't bad for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:44.160 I was like I was able to find a lot 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:46.680 of I went back independent, and I was able to 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.800 kind of really find hone in on my strategy and 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:51.640 kind of figure out who I wanted to be and 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.560 just kind of set up like a three year type 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.680 of plan that I'm kind of in like year three 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.200 of Yeah. Explain that though, because like before you were 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.040 you not independent at a certain point in time, or 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:05.600 did what was what was your prior situation. I was 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:08.200 at a thing called same Play. It was like a 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:13.840 JV at sony okay for that Funhouse Mirror album. Yep, yep, okay. 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:15.840 So you get out of that deal, and then what 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.039 walk me through your three year plan? And obviously it's 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:23.039 been it's worked, so we should Yeah, what was the plan? Yeah? 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.360 I mean I just realized I learned a lot from 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.080 being in that situation, and I realized what I had 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.120 to do, and I was just like, you know, I 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.640 need to move at a pace where I could be consistent, 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:36.759 and especially during the pandemic when we were stuck at home, 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:38.840 like all I could do was make music. So I 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:40.760 just had this stock pile of music and all these 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:42.800 different projects going, and I was like, I'm going to 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.119 figure out how to just be really kind of relentlessly consistent, 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.160 but combine that with keeping everything quality and keeping it 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:53.080 conceptual and keeping it me and and I'm just gonna 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.920 build it and have faith in you know, doing it 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:57.960 like that. And That's what I've kind of been doing. Yeah, 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.400 So for you, it was like, because a lot of 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:04.720 artists there's something kind of just viral semi viral recently, 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:08.000 I don't know if you saw like Russ was telling everybody, 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.040 if you're on the come up in music, drop consistently, 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.720 don't sit on your music. Somebody had like made a 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:18.640 response and pretty much said it's terrible advice. And so 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.560 for you, it was like, Yo, why am I sitting 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.560 on all this music? You obviously you're recording at home 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:29.400 at the time, Yeah, recording yourself. So it's like like 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.440 a lot of people they do sit on their music, 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:35.000 or they overthink releasing their music, or they I think 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:38.240 everybody is like very not everybody, but a lot of 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:43.040 artists get wrapped up in like perfection and like a 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.440 lot of things having to be checked off before they 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.839 think they can release something. That's not always the case. Yeah, 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:51.639 I mean, so there's a couple of things with that, 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.400 like and your quality is high. It's not like you're 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.640 doing like quantity of a quality. You're doing both. It's 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:57.440 hard to do. Yeah, that I think is the key, 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.160 and I appreciate that. I think, like I grew up 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.280 admiring like the Coles and the Kendricks and these different 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.000 people that have kind of this pantheon of their catalog 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.440 right where you could look at like these four albums 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:12.160 that are like incredible, right, And so I think a 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.119 lot of us grow up wanting to be like that. 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.000 But then when you really get back into the industry, 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.680 I think that you realized that it's not that these 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.560 artists didn't want to release more music. And in the 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.200 mixtape era, it's not even like they weren't they were 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:28.760 they were free zip files. Yeah, it's warm up and 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.400 all that exactly. And I think it's just that, like 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:34.160 once you get into a system and a situation, like 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.840 those buildings move so slow a lot of times, it's 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.640 not even their choice of how little music they're releasing 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.480 because they're it's on a cycle. So I had to 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.120 get myself out of that mindset and realize. I remember, 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:47.800 like watching something where they were talking about how like 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.440 the week after Get Richard, die try and drop fifty 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.840 cent drop the mixtape in the streets yep, And we 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.360 don't remember necessarily that mixtape in the streets, but it 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.760 didn't dilute Get Richard I trying, you know what I mean. 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:59.280 So I was like, Okay, first of all, people have 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.600 always done this, like people have always had this kind 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.720 of abundance. But then second of all, like you know, 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.600 I just realized that I had a lot to say 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:09.040 and I had a lot of material, and I felt 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.160 like I could do it all without compromising the quality. Yeah, 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.440 and so that was kind of you know, my mood 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.560 in terms of like the rust thing, and I saw 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.440 that dialogue going on. I think everybody's different, and you know, 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.200 you know, there's certain projects that you want to take 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.320 more time with. And that's why for me, like the 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:29.200 language of album, Like I've only dropped, you know, three 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.880 albums right like that. I consider albums so as an artist, 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:34.760 like I kind of decipher the things that I really 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.360 spend years and years working on whatever, so the fans 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:42.000 know what's what. I think that's important. But I think 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.359 I think it gets confused because now instead of it 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.479 being like a mixtape you buy from the corner store 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.359 or something on that pif everything's on DSPs as it 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.800 should be. I feel like you're crazy if like I 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.240 just somebody recently put something out and it was like 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.960 only on SoundCloud and like that PIF and I was 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:02.680 just I mean, shout out to that, you know, but 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:04.599 like it just didn't make sense. It's like why wouldn't 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.400 you anyway? But yeah, I just think like you said, 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.520 it's important like communicating the language of like what this 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:12.040 is to your fans, Like, Yo, this is a mixtape 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:15.160 or it's just some collection of records or an EP 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.680 or whatever. So for you, how do you kind of 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.599 differentiate because you say you're working on your big album, 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:25.839 how do you differentiate between like what makes the album 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:28.320 isn't because the album has a certain concept or there's 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.400 a certain feel or quality to it. Like how do 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:33.920 you know if that's like, oh, this is an album song. Yeah, 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.159 we just can't throw this out there. Yeah, when it 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:37.960 feels like that, when it feels like, man, this is 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.680 something that I have to cultivate. This feels like the 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.800 expression of my sound that combines a lot of my 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.680 different influences. But that like, this is where I'm at 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:49.520 musically at this point in time and creatively, and this 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.159 is what I want to say, and you know, when 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.000 it fits into the narrative of the big album that 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.120 I'm working on at the time. You know, the other 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:00.800 joints like the obviously the Space two which is you know, 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.200 February tenth, and then like the Home Court projects that 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.640 have kind of like become these little serialized things. They 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:10.400 just happened organically creatively, I was making really emotional joints 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.440 about this period of my life with the space stuff 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.039 that I was making, like this mixtapey feeling like barred 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.080 out stuff for the home court stuff, and I was 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.919 just like, you know, people always feel this pressure on 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.479 albums when you don't drop a lot of stuff, just 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.920 show them everything I got in one go, and it 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:28.160 sometimes makes for projects that aren't cohesive one hundred percent. 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.120 So I'm always that pressure, you know what I mean. 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.160 By giving them the other stuff in a cohesive form, 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:35.000 that was kind of them, you know what I mean? 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:41.160 For you, I feel like a lot of people who 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:45.600 come from New York, like I mean, if we think 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:49.400 of New York like nationally at the moment, obviously there's 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.880 like the big, the great stuff, the Cardi B's and 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:55.560 the I mean shit, the Joey badasses and these guys 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:57.640 who are like well established. But it feels like right 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:02.839 now in New York everyone is very much much not everybody, 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.000 but nationally a lot of people are checking for the 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:08.200 drill scene. You kind of coming out of the city 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:11.040 doing something way different. Do you feel like it's like 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.680 an advantage for you because you kind of because a 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.400 lot of drill shit coming out of New York. And 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.040 I feel like, for you, it's kind of probably a 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.880 good thing that you're bringing a different, you know, piece 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.920 of music, your style to the landscape of New York 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.560 hip hop. How do you feel? Yeah, I think so. 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.200 To be totally honest with you, you you know, like I 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:34.240 just I am New York because of New York raised me, 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.760 like for real, for real, and at this point, like 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:40.680 I don't really think too directly about how it all 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:42.520 relates to New York. I've been like doing a lot 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.520 of just finding myself and who I am and what 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.160 like Marlon Kraft represents, and that's always going to be 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.560 inherently New York. But I don't even think about, like 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.640 where does this fit into the landscape. And I've just 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.040 been watching it kind of grow and observing which place 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:00.560 is support what I'm doing more, And you know, New 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:02.960 York's always home base and it's everything to me. But 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.440 I don't even really like consider it. Could you ever 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:11.440 leave New York? It's real sunny out here, bro, I'm 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:13.880 gonna tell you something, Man, I go to New York 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.960 and I love it, but I'm just like God bless 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.840 y'all man, because y'all really lived there. I couldn't do it. 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.320 I understand though, Like there's one thing like, like to me, 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.680 like if you like when they say if you could 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.120 survive in New York, you could survive anywhere, it's fucking 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.960 a fact, yeah, because just like going to the store 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:36.319 or going to work, just there's so many variables every 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.440 day that you have to deal with that you wouldn't 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.240 deal with anywhere else that it's it's almost like your 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.439 numb to the stress that those variables create. Yeah, it's 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.360 kind of wild. Ye. It's like I saw a video 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:48.960 of a guy sleeping on the subway and just a 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:50.840 rat was like running on him, and shit, he just 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.320 like flicked it off. Like it was just like I 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.160 saw that. That was wild if there was a rat 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.640 on me bro going on. But like we don't see 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:59.800 rats on the West Coast like that, But in New York, 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:01.679 if like you're eating pizza on the corner with your 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.079 boys after the club, there's like rats running around and 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.320 it's just like, yeah, it's just fucking yeah, it's just 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.199 you guys deal with a lot, dude, a lot of stress. Yeah, 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.559 a lot of fucking people, a lot of rubbing shoulders. Yeah, 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.120 the pandemic had to be extra stressful. That was really 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.760 hard because it's so little space and so that everybody's 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.120 on the top of each other. It's winter, bro. Like 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:22.400 I mean I say this. The older I get and 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.319 the more in tune I get with like what's really 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:26.640 important to me and what's better for my mental health, 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.760 the more I'm like, wow, this is not that conducive 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.120 to that. You know, Like when I come to place, 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.760 even out here to take breaks, you know, it's like 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.720 the weather's warm, the sunshine and there's more space, it's 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.079 calmer like some of these things. Whereas when I was younger, 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.120 I would have been like, man, shit boring, like I 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.360 got phone, Well, I gotta get back home. Now I'm 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.520 like really embracing those things a lot more. But it's 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:50.720 hard for me to envision leaving New York for like 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.880 year round, because it's just no matter. There's nothing like 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:55.640 going when you're from New York. There's nothing like going 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:57.600 back to New York, you know what I mean. It's 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.640 one of one place. Yeah, it's a great place. Man. 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.120 What is your favorite Like, Okay, you're for a house kitchen, 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.679 which is a huge food area. Yeah, what's like your 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:11.640 top three restaurants in Hell's Kitchen? Oh, yelp, man, you 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:13.920 know what's crazy? This ship is so different now the 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.679 whole Manhattan is cooked, like like gentrified is not even 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:18.920 the word. Like it's just like beyond. Oh. I go 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:22.120 on Zillow once a month just for ships and giggles, 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.840 to just scare myself from ever taking a job in 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:29.640 New York. Yeah, bro, it's bro, it's yeah, it's cooked. 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:31.760 So like I to tell you the truth, Like every 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.400 time I'm in Hell's kit it's like new stores, new restaurants, 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:38.640 everything popping up like every other day. I don't even 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.640 know what do we Like? Claudio shout out to Claudio's. 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.480 Claudio's is the only like real Hell's Kitchen spot that's 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:49.000 still there. Pizza Real, that's the pizza real. Yeah, Claudio's. 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:50.400 I shot a video in there back and the day 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:52.839 that's like, you know, that's that's like the spot and 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.240 it's still there. It's like he renovated it and whatever, 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.800 but it's still like that's the spot. How are we 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:01.600 feeling about Jalen Brunson, Julius Randall and these knicks that 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:05.640 are actually you know, playing like playing for the hardest 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.800 fucking coach to play for in the whole league. Man, 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.840 was a fucking motherfuck. How much time do we have? Man? 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:12.560 How do you feel? You know, well, you know, I 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.840 feel good. It's nice that we're that we're more competitive. 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.520 Brunson I think was the best offseason signing for sure. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.520 And I love his game. And he's not that expensive, 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:22.480 yeah compared to like other players who are doing what 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.200 he's doing. Yeah, he's a beast. I'm really happy about that. 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.280 What I will say is, if you really watch the games, 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.080 it's brutal, man, It's still brutal, because even when we win, 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.040 we fucking like find a way to blow it at 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.319 the end and make it like like a shitty win, 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.000 where like it was like we were up by ten 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.400 the whole game and then we collapse because and it's 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:44.480 Tom Thibodau plays, yeah, and then and and it's very weird, bro, 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:46.320 Like we have a winning record, but we have a 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.640 losing home record. We're like one of the only teams 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:50.480 in the league. And I don't know if it's because 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.600 New York's popping, and so the road is like we 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:54.600 just we just chill and don't go out and they 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:56.200 go out, we go out in New York. I don't know, 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.920 but it's very it's very Uh, it's still been like 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.600 a frustrating up and down on year. But I'm in 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.800 it forever. Man with these Knicks, would you trade RJ? 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:09.840 Barrett Man, I never know how honest to be with 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:12.560 this ship, because you know, i'd like to uh to 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:17.200 do things with the Knicks and you know, yeah, and 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:21.520 I will be my Twitter if the Sun's ever checked 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.439 my Twitter feed, Yeah, he probably wouldn't do stuff with 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:25.960 the Sun. All right, I'll keep it the buck with you. 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.040 The thing with r J is dude's told him he 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:30.720 was a star then gave him the bag that he 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.280 was a star. But he's not a star because he's 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:34.880 the third best player on our team and we're not 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.640 even good and he can't and and he stopped playing defense. 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.199 He used to play d well, but he got so 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.440 into what's going on with him and his scoring. Then 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.840 now he stops playing defense. But he shoots low percentage 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.520 from the field. So to be honest, like, what are 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.200 we really talking about? As the ceiling? And I like 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:53.439 the things he does and I think he's a young 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:58.640 good player, but is he gonna accept what his role 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:00.840 might have to be to be out of a contender, 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:04.320 because how much more evidence do we need to know 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.120 if he's going to be a star player on winning team. 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:07.600 What is it like, year three or four? I think 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:09.920 it's four or five. I think it's four. I think 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:11.600 it's four. Yeah, because him and Zion came in the 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.480 same year. Yeah. Yeah, and Zion's obviously a star who 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:16.960 just gets injured a lot. Cam Reddish is Cam Reddish 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.960 on the Knicks. Is he's been relegated to the bench. Wow, 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.840 it's like Duke. Some people are some people are real 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.520 tight about that that Cam Reddish is on the bench. Yeah. 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.319 I don't know. I have League Pass, but I don't 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.360 watch enough when the Knicks are on. I'm not running 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.480 to the game. Yeah, respect, I feel you. There's some 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:33.240 teams that I don't give a fuck about, But if 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.280 they're playing, I'm like, oh, let me see what the 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.240 Kings are doing. Yeah, if the Warriors playing, I'm watching. Yeah. 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.800 But you yeah, yeah, sorry, that's a that's a sore spot. 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:46.440 I mean, not so much. The Sun's Yeah, yeah, you 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.440 guys are having I have no sympathy because I've been 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.079 Knicks fan all up. But you're haven't you at least 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.600 got championships, not when you were alive, but at least 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.680 my dad, my dad's youth. Yeah, we don't got that ship. 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.600 I mean you. Yeah, you guys got the at least 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.280 the cultural importance. The Suns. Don't gives a fuck about 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.640 the Suns. Yeah. Everyone hates us though, but it's kind 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:10.160 of it's kind of fun. I'm loving watching the Nets 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.920 crash and burn. That's it is actually pretty dope because 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.800 they really thought that like they were gonna go like 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.840 when like like y'all really had Hart and Kyrie and 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.520 Katie and it just didn't matter. And all five of 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.080 their fans talk so much shit five of them. Yeah, 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:29.120 no one's I've noticed some people from New York switching 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:32.600 sides or double dipping, like our guy Rob Markman is 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.000 one of one of those guys hardcore Knicks guy hardcore, 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:37.960 but you know what, he got it so hardcore when 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.160 he did it, I couldn't even be mad at him. 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.400 It's like when Porzingis left, it was the same thing. 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.000 It was like, Yo, you gotta understand this is an 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.040 abusive household. Yeah, when people want to get out, you 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.800 can't hold him back. I don't think so until he dies, no, 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:53.360 and they'll probably pass it on to some other jerk off. Yeah, 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:57.920 I said not you exactly. So for you, man uh, 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:03.800 I think that you got three million monthly listeners on Spotify. 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:08.600 That's a serious accomplishment, thank you. Outside of dropping music 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.400 at a high quantity at a high level, what would 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:17.040 you say would be the key to you connecting with people, 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:22.600 connecting with the fans because you've conceptually you've put out 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.360 some of the doper videos in recent memory. Thank you, 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.480 But like for you, that's a that's crazy, especially because 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.120 there's guys that have quote unquote bigger buzzies than you, 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.680 or you know, are perceived to be bigger artists than you, 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:39.160 that aren't even sniffing that. So for you, what has 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.680 been the one key or a couple of keys that 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.320 has worked for you to connect on that level? Man? 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:52.160 So you know, I think just staying true, Like obviously 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:55.640 there's tactical things like on a strategic breakdown and whatever, 0:15:55.680 --> 0:16:01.480 but I think like really honing in on what is 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.920 resonating with people like not I'll give you an example, 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.640 like my biggest song on Spotify, a song called Something's 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.440 Wrong in heaven. And I made that song in twenty 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.280 nineteen when I was still in that in that deal, 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.720 and when I made it, I was in a little 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.120 bit in the world. I was like in the industry thing, 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.520 and I was still staying true. But I was doing 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:23.600 this thing that an artists do where it's like, man, 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:27.000 if something is not like something new for me, it 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.840 feels like, oh it's not enough. Like it was like, 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.160 this is just a dope beat, is a crazy loop sample, 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.400 profound word think of it? Yeah, but everyone knows I 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:39.800 can do that. I don't. Yeah, a different beader, yeah, 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.200 and so but even when people around me are like 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:43.880 this song is really special whatever. 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