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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, December sixteenth, twenty twenty one, season seventeen,
Speaker 1: episode number eighty. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: Clive from s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star got
Speaker 1: Dick Dave Amber with me. It feels like we haven't
Speaker 1: been all together. And while because Dave was out one day,
Speaker 1: Nick was out one day, it's good to have everybody
Speaker 1: back in studio. We'll get you guys ready Cowboys versus
Speaker 1: Giants at happened in this Sunday. It is going to
Speaker 1: be a barn burner. Maybe probably not. That's not the
Speaker 1: phrase that I would use. Okay, So we'll tell you
Speaker 1: what's going to happen over the next couple of shows. Here.
Speaker 1: We gotta show today in tomorrow and then we'll get
Speaker 1: ready for this game on Sunday real quick. Nick, give
Speaker 1: me an eighty eighty. Tony Hill is always a good eighty.
Speaker 1: He was a great player, Tony Hill, Tony Hill. But
Speaker 1: I always like this guy named Stepfret Williams. I just
Speaker 1: think that's a cool name to say. Remember, we're just
Speaker 1: we're just not going to pay respects to the legend
Speaker 1: Rico Gathers. We're just gonna do that. I wonder where
Speaker 1: you're going with King Gats. That's where you come in,
Speaker 1: because I don't even think about him at all. How
Speaker 1: how he's one of the most legendary figures in cowboys history.
Speaker 1: I was one of your You were actually all on
Speaker 1: board with getting him, like you were all over the
Speaker 1: Baylor guy. And yeah, you were all over that. Yes
Speaker 1: you are. You were excited, you like you were like
Speaker 1: that idea, they need to get him. My tongue is
Speaker 1: planted firmly in my cheek. But like I mean, as
Speaker 1: far as sixth round picks who caught like less than
Speaker 1: fifteen career passes go, he's probably the most memorable of
Speaker 1: all time. Yeah, I think Marty by two, that's not
Speaker 1: eighty Church just we are distractable. Yeah, anyway, what a shame,
Speaker 1: What a shame? You are another big Reco Gathers fan.
Speaker 1: Weren't you? I don't know what a fan. I it's
Speaker 1: a shame that we didn't get to see them try
Speaker 1: him out at another position. That's why I say, what
Speaker 1: do you want to see him at tackle? I would
Speaker 1: have tried him ound, yeah, something on the defensive line,
Speaker 1: just to see why not a defensive offensive line. I
Speaker 1: would want to try him the defensive line. Okay, back then, Okay,
Speaker 1: I was like, put him out there. He's not. He
Speaker 1: definitely hasn't. I'm having I'm having flashbacks to like actual
Speaker 1: shows that we did, Like we don't. We don't need
Speaker 1: to talk about this. We don't need to talk. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for bringing Ricot into boxing or something. I
Speaker 1: don't know what he's doing. I was just Hardy should
Speaker 1: have been playing basketball overseas. That's what he should have
Speaker 1: been doing. Good point, make a hell of a living
Speaker 1: in Grease, Turkey, Italy, Spain. Don't have to be an
Speaker 1: NBA to make money in basketball. Yeah, all right, let's
Speaker 1: move on. Let is real quick, real quick. I'm sorry, Dave,
Speaker 1: give me an update on Tony Pollard. Where are we
Speaker 1: standing with his injury? Tony Pollard's gonna try to push
Speaker 1: it at practice today. They're practicing in shells. This they're
Speaker 1: doing a real practice today after just kind of a
Speaker 1: you know, shorts and shirts yesterday. This is a real practice.
Speaker 1: They're outside. He's gonna give it a go. Who knows
Speaker 1: what that means. Take everything you hear from Mike with
Speaker 1: a grain of salt when it comes to injuries and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. We'll see what the injury report says.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been out there this whole time, so
Speaker 1: like we're gonna go out to practice, he's gonna be
Speaker 1: out there working with britt He's gonna be jogging around,
Speaker 1: and I mean, we have no idea what he's going
Speaker 1: to do in the team period. We'll see what the
Speaker 1: injury report says. It'd be interesting. I'm interested to see
Speaker 1: what happens this weekend with regards to him and with
Speaker 1: Zeke to some degree. And Nick, you weren't here yesterday.
Speaker 1: We did talk a little bit about Zeke and his injury,
Speaker 1: and he says yesterday when he talked to the met
Speaker 1: he's actually feeling like he's got a little bit of
Speaker 1: his explosiveness back. What are your thoughts, Darren, do you think,
Speaker 1: do you think that maybe the Cowboys, for the better
Speaker 1: of him and for the better of the team, should
Speaker 1: take a step that's kind of drastic and sit him down. Well,
Speaker 1: he didn't look explosive to me. I mean he felt
Speaker 1: he felt I guess he said he felt good. I
Speaker 1: was listening to him, going where was that? Like? I mean,
Speaker 1: he was okay, but he was also limping around a
Speaker 1: whole lot now he was. It's a weird injury to
Speaker 1: me because they keep running him and using him and
Speaker 1: he doesn't look right. And yeah, I think sitting him
Speaker 1: might might be. I mean, it's one of those things
Speaker 1: where they're not talking about it at all, like it's fine,
Speaker 1: it's fine, fine, And as soon as they, you know,
Speaker 1: clintse the division, he'll be out, I think, And I
Speaker 1: think that's a smart thing to do. Would you would
Speaker 1: you make that this week? Though? Would you make that
Speaker 1: decision relative to what's happening with Tony, Like would you
Speaker 1: say I would only sit him if Tony is back,
Speaker 1: or would you say, hey, you got to sit him.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a good thing to do regardless. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go into any game without either
Speaker 1: one of them. No, thank you, but no, I mean
Speaker 1: that's crazy talk. Corey Clement played pretty well, all things considered,
Speaker 1: But like Corey Clement and Edo Smith and Jaquan Hardy,
Speaker 1: I mean, that was the argument that that I think
Speaker 1: that Isaiah was making yesterdays. He was like, I'd sit
Speaker 1: him both if I think. I know that's what he thinks,
Speaker 1: and I disagree. I mean he did, I said yesterday
Speaker 1: he made a good point. But I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: much better with at least one of those guys available.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have a you have a chance. Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, though, you have to get away from
Speaker 1: the rams. You just you do. You gotta keep winning.
Speaker 1: You gotta get to the third seat. And you can
Speaker 1: get to the third seat if the pack you control it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can. You know, Packers or even Arizona. Now Tampa
Speaker 1: doesn't look likely. They're not gonna lose two times. I
Speaker 1: don't believe in Arizona. All you need to do is
Speaker 1: just beat Arizona. Beat Arizona. You when you're your games,
Speaker 1: you're in the third. Thing he's saying, you probably can't
Speaker 1: get a whole lot higher than right, No, yeah, you
Speaker 1: can get can you control if Tampa is a tie
Speaker 1: with Green Bay and Dallas, and then you get three
Speaker 1: way tie. Then you can jump all of them. So
Speaker 1: you can't control getting to two or one. You certainly
Speaker 1: can control gett into three, so so control what you
Speaker 1: can control. I would just call them the tag team
Speaker 1: champions right there, Pollered and Z and they just tagging.
Speaker 1: I mean, just like in a game like one one's
Speaker 1: gonna play, one's gonna sit. But I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: use them that way until they're healthy, until or the
Speaker 1: playoffs until yeah, right, all right, which one it comes first?
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Speaker 1: at the Star and you're showing bring your man Roman Rains.
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Speaker 1: Network joining us right now to talk a little Cowboys
Speaker 1: versus Giants Let's start first with Mike Glennon Uh. He
Speaker 1: has started the last two games for the Giants, replacing
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. Uh. He's only completed about fifty percent on
Speaker 1: average of his passes. He's been sacked five times. He's
Speaker 1: passed for under two hundred yards in both games. So
Speaker 1: paying a scenario for me, any scenario where you think
Speaker 1: this Giants offense can can get over on the Cowboys defense,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like we had a conversation about this
Speaker 1: like last year where we didn't think that the Giants
Speaker 1: can do anything and it ended up being a game
Speaker 1: in the thirties. I think for the Cowboys, if they
Speaker 1: stay on their ps and qs, this should be an
Speaker 1: offense that they can kind of gobble up, much like
Speaker 1: they were able to gobble up to Washington football team
Speaker 1: for three plus quarters last week. I think the thing
Speaker 1: with the Giants is Freddy Kitchen takes over for Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett as the play caller. They're still trying to figure
Speaker 1: out their identity. Say Quon Barkley is not necessarily the same,
Speaker 1: and so they're trying to put all the pieces of
Speaker 1: the posle together. And then you have a quarterback in
Speaker 1: Mike Lennon, who has never necessarily been a high end
Speaker 1: consistent quarterback. And so to me, this is about just
Speaker 1: making sure you don't give them anything cheap, don't let
Speaker 1: the ball flow over your head. Put pressure on them,
Speaker 1: because if you put enough pressure on Mike Glennon, eventually
Speaker 1: he would give up the ball. He'll cough it up
Speaker 1: and be a handful of turnovers. Day'll may all right, Becky,
Speaker 1: A two part question number one, what has happened to
Speaker 1: sa Quon Barkley? Like why is he not the same?
Speaker 1: In two? Who is your favorite wrestler of all times?
Speaker 1: For talking about wrestling? Well, let's start with favorite wrestl
Speaker 1: of all time. I would say the American Dream Dusty
Speaker 1: Rhodes will probably be my favorite of all time. Um, daddy, yeah, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: because because everyone else loved Rick Ferren. I do have
Speaker 1: a thing for the nature Board, but Dusty Rhodes was
Speaker 1: always going for him. Uh. The reason Saint Juan Berkley
Speaker 1: isn't the same. I won't say he's not the same,
Speaker 1: but if you go back and look at how he
Speaker 1: was at Penn State, he was always a bit of
Speaker 1: a boom or bust in terms of production. It was
Speaker 1: two yards minus game two yards three yards, fifty yard
Speaker 1: game two yards three yards. So he he had like
Speaker 1: a little Barry Sanders is type production in terms of
Speaker 1: it wasn't always a steady drip. I think with the
Speaker 1: Giants he's not the same now since the injuries. He
Speaker 1: doesn't necessary they have the same. Verse, He's still productive
Speaker 1: in Bursto can catch the rock. And then he's also
Speaker 1: playing behind an offensive line that isn't necessarily the best.
Speaker 1: And so when you have those factors, you do have
Speaker 1: these inconsistent moments from a player who was taking second
Speaker 1: overall in the draft. Buck, can you talk to me
Speaker 1: about our guy as Zizojalari the rookie. I know we
Speaker 1: liked him in the draft. Good player. I'm just curious
Speaker 1: how they're using him, I'm guessing. I mean, is he
Speaker 1: like an every down guy or at least a regular
Speaker 1: member of the rotation or they using him in sub packages?
Speaker 1: It just it seems like he's come on, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's got seven and a a half sacks. How's he doing it?
Speaker 1: I mean, look, he's the same going to be sort
Speaker 1: of George. He's an active guy, very athletic, does a
Speaker 1: good job with his speed. Verse and energy. They certainly
Speaker 1: are mixing him in the rotation and using them with
Speaker 1: a bunch of different ways and allowing him to go
Speaker 1: get after the past. And when you really look at
Speaker 1: this Giants team outside of him, he's the most dynamic defender.
Speaker 1: Lenard Williams has been good at times. You talking about
Speaker 1: Dex and Lawrence all those other guys, but they're not
Speaker 1: necessarily that explosive energizer bunny that you typically like to
Speaker 1: have within the rotation. At least Ozelaari gives them that,
Speaker 1: and so he's been good. He's a productive on the whole.
Speaker 1: I would say this Giants defense is the same as
Speaker 1: they've always been. They're rock solid. They're gonna make sure
Speaker 1: they try and take care of the running game, and
Speaker 1: then they're going to change the coverage and do all
Speaker 1: these other things. And you never really know what they're
Speaker 1: going to do prior to the game because Patrick Graham
Speaker 1: comes from the New England tree, and so every game
Speaker 1: plan is a bit like a snowflake, so you never
Speaker 1: get the same thing twice. Bucky, we keep talking about
Speaker 1: the running game, the Cowboys running game with Zeke and
Speaker 1: Paular being injury, I mean, looking at this Giants defense.
Speaker 1: Is this a game that maybe in your eyes you
Speaker 1: think that they could do without both of those running
Speaker 1: backs where they sit them out this week? Well, look, man,
Speaker 1: I think Corey Claiming played well enough that you can
Speaker 1: entertain the possible earlier of him taking on a big
Speaker 1: worth though he had thirteen carries I think last week,
Speaker 1: and it was right down the middle with him and Zeke. Obviously,
Speaker 1: like if Zeke can play, you want him to play
Speaker 1: because what he does in the pass protecting game, he's
Speaker 1: one of the best, if not the best, pass protected
Speaker 1: at the running back position, and so you want to
Speaker 1: make sure that Dak Prescott is protected. But if you
Speaker 1: can lighten his load and not subject him to a
Speaker 1: bunch of collisions and those things, you want to do that.
Speaker 1: I think if Clement shows early in the game that
Speaker 1: he kind of has it going, I think you see
Speaker 1: the skills kind of tipping his favor in terms of
Speaker 1: the workload. Let's talk a little bit about Layton vander Esch.
Speaker 1: Last week, I thought he played better than he's played
Speaker 1: in other weeks. What did you see from him and
Speaker 1: what do you think was it possibly a situation where
Speaker 1: maybe having Mica at lineback or having those other guys
Speaker 1: back on the defensive line maybe helped Layton Vandersch in
Speaker 1: some way to be a better player, more productive player
Speaker 1: than he'd been in some of the past games. This season, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a bit of a chameleon. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he plays better when he's surrounded by better supporting casts.
Speaker 1: I think most players are like that, and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have their full confident of guys. I mean, look, the
Speaker 1: defense has shown that it's one of the top defenses
Speaker 1: in football. When you put de Marcus Lawrence and Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory and Michael Parsons out there, the energy level picks
Speaker 1: up and you see how everyone kind of raises their
Speaker 1: level of performance. I think Laydon vander Esh was able
Speaker 1: to do that. And then it's also a bit of
Speaker 1: a thing where it's kind of contagious when the plays
Speaker 1: start coming. So when you see Micauls start making a play,
Speaker 1: you see Randy Rick and we make a play early
Speaker 1: in the game, you see the Marcus Lawrence hustling and
Speaker 1: Jason it kind of puts the peer fresh show on
Speaker 1: you to kind of take your game up a notch.
Speaker 1: I think now that everyone is back, Layden Renner's just
Speaker 1: going to play better because one, he doesn't have as
Speaker 1: many responsibilities on his play in terms of having to
Speaker 1: make plays, and now he'll fall into some plays because
Speaker 1: he's just running and hustling and making and just kind
Speaker 1: of fall in the ball. Michael Parsons, We've talked about
Speaker 1: how you know he's can play different spots, but I
Speaker 1: believe he ranks fifth and sacks and ninety ninth and
Speaker 1: pass rushes. When when did the Cowboys start getting some
Speaker 1: criticism if it's not already of like, all right, you
Speaker 1: probably just need to rush the passer more, or do
Speaker 1: you think that he wouldn't be as effective if he
Speaker 1: did rush it more. He probably wouldn't be as effective
Speaker 1: if he was a one hundred percent pass rusher. I
Speaker 1: think what you have now is you actually have the
Speaker 1: best of both worlds because what they're able to do
Speaker 1: and what they did against the Watchington football team is
Speaker 1: they were able to isolate him on the guard when
Speaker 1: you have Randy Gregor on one side, DeMarcus Lawrence on
Speaker 1: the other side, and you do some of those five
Speaker 1: old pass rushers where you get five guys coming and
Speaker 1: you're able to isolate one on one matches, where now
Speaker 1: you can have Michael Parsons go over wall, though, and
Speaker 1: we're seeing that his quickness, his burst, his hand skills
Speaker 1: allows him to get to the quarterback, and so I
Speaker 1: think it's best to send him from the second level
Speaker 1: because he can pick and choose who he wants to
Speaker 1: go against, and it makes it harder for the offense
Speaker 1: to slide multiple blockers to him. And so I think
Speaker 1: the way that using I think the way dan Quinn
Speaker 1: has using them is perfect, and I think it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where as they get closer and closer
Speaker 1: to the postseason, I think you'll see even more creativity
Speaker 1: from dan Quinn in terms of how he unleashes number
Speaker 1: eleven because as you begin to focus on number eleven,
Speaker 1: number ninety and number ninety four begin to get off
Speaker 1: and then that's when it becomes a lot of fun
Speaker 1: to watch the Cowboys defense because they have it going
Speaker 1: up front. I get that you literally just told me
Speaker 1: Patrick Graham's going to change this thing up, and it
Speaker 1: makes it hard to predict the game plan, but it
Speaker 1: seems like a good guess, based on the way teams
Speaker 1: have been playing the Cowboys, that they're going to clog
Speaker 1: the field, try to take away deep shots for the
Speaker 1: passing game, and with the running game not working the
Speaker 1: way that it hasn't been working, which I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: they get it going, that would be great, But if
Speaker 1: it's not, what would your approach be to getting things
Speaker 1: going underneath? Because that really seems like it's been the
Speaker 1: problem for the Cowboys. I mean, do you have a
Speaker 1: tip for how they might do that better. I think
Speaker 1: it's not just Patrick Graham. I think it's the league
Speaker 1: why trend where you're seeing more teams kind of park
Speaker 1: their safeties in the parking lot and say we're gonna
Speaker 1: take away the deep ball, and more teams are also
Speaker 1: being willing to give up again see rushing yards because
Speaker 1: it's a slower death. You're not going nickel and diamond
Speaker 1: with three and four yard runs and drive the length
Speaker 1: of the field and score a bunch of points. You
Speaker 1: may control the ball, but you won't score a lot
Speaker 1: of points leaning on the running game. And so for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, I believe man, Look, they're players, Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: and Michael Gallup and Marie Cooper. They're really good catching
Speaker 1: run playmakers, and so what I would like to see
Speaker 1: them do are more things that get them the ball
Speaker 1: on the move, crossing routes, things where they can kind
Speaker 1: of catch it, like I know they like to run
Speaker 1: slants in those things, but other things where eighty eight
Speaker 1: and nineteen can get it on the move and get
Speaker 1: up the field. And so it requires a level of patients.
Speaker 1: I think Dad has to be more patient. I think
Speaker 1: he's been impatient trying to go big play, honey. I
Speaker 1: think this has to be a thing where, look, man,
Speaker 1: let's just kind of if we're playing Dominos, Nickel and Dost,
Speaker 1: let's five and tend them down the field and then
Speaker 1: eventually the big plays happened, But you don't have to
Speaker 1: force it down the field because that's when the interceptions
Speaker 1: and the bad stuff happens. Is this a week where
Speaker 1: you're still okay with saying a win is a win
Speaker 1: type of win? Or mentally for the Cowboys offense, is
Speaker 1: this a week where they have to get out there
Speaker 1: and actually be dominant and kind of start clicking this
Speaker 1: time around. I mean, ideally you just want to win,
Speaker 1: but I think here's where we have to begin to
Speaker 1: kind of come to grips with like, as Cowboys followers,
Speaker 1: maybe the defense leads the way for this team to
Speaker 1: go deep into the postseason. So maybe Mike McCarthy has
Speaker 1: to talk to Kellen Moore and they have to get
Speaker 1: together and say, look, the best way for us to
Speaker 1: play is maybe a little more complimentary approach. Maybe we
Speaker 1: scale it back and no thought all over the earth.
Speaker 1: Maybe we are a little more conservative. Maybe we do
Speaker 1: punt and let the defense create plays, because when you
Speaker 1: have a team that is second in takeaways and then
Speaker 1: generating takeaways each and every week, maybe you don't have
Speaker 1: to force and press the issue as much on offense.
Speaker 1: And I think we came into the year thinking that
Speaker 1: the offense was going to protect the defense. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: flipped in the middle of the year where the defense
Speaker 1: is kind of protecting the offense and you have to
Speaker 1: kind of change and call the game accordingate and real
Speaker 1: quick before we get your prediction for the game. I
Speaker 1: just want to get it. I'm just interested to know.
Speaker 1: Let's assume you have a vote, and you might actually
Speaker 1: have a vote for defensive player of the year. If
Speaker 1: you have to cast that vote right now, with what
Speaker 1: you've seen through thirteen games, who's your defensive player of
Speaker 1: the year. I mean, I feel like it's a loaded
Speaker 1: question because Michael Parsons has done everything that you want
Speaker 1: to do. When you throw his numbers, you threw his
Speaker 1: numbers up against everybody like I mean, look, the production
Speaker 1: is ridiculous, sack production, tackles, quarterback, pressures, everything that he's
Speaker 1: doing like, you just don't see players do that, particularly
Speaker 1: a first year player. And so when people get mad
Speaker 1: about the comparisons to Lawrence Taylor, it's not about their
Speaker 1: playing style being similar. It's about the impact. I believe.
Speaker 1: Now you're going into games and you're having to say
Speaker 1: where is number eleven at? We got to make sure
Speaker 1: that we have eyes on him. That's the impact and
Speaker 1: to me, that's the value that a defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year brings. And look, man, I'm gonna say this,
Speaker 1: Like we talked about Michael Parsons to the draft and
Speaker 1: it was how should they I don't know, there's another value.
Speaker 1: I think they have lucked up and got a player
Speaker 1: that is one for the ages. He is a dominant player,
Speaker 1: even better than we ever could have imagined, considered he
Speaker 1: didn't play his last year Penn State. Imagine if he
Speaker 1: had played and he actually had didn't have to shake
Speaker 1: off the rust. I mean, he is a phenomenal player
Speaker 1: he would have been picking. I think anybody could have
Speaker 1: expected he would have been picked number one or two. Right,
Speaker 1: he would not have been there for them at that point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think. I think Bucky's point when he was answering
Speaker 1: the question before you asked it, when he was said
Speaker 1: that now the Cowboys can lean on the defense maybe
Speaker 1: instead of the offense. Just think about how weird that
Speaker 1: would have sounded in the offseason or even last year.
Speaker 1: I think that reason alone is why he should be
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year, because he has changed the
Speaker 1: culture of the team just his presence alone. All right,
Speaker 1: Bucky Man, we'll let you go out. Know, you gotta
Speaker 1: get out of here. We appreciate you. John Us. We'll
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Speaker 1: question for you guys. They're closing voting today. So that's
Speaker 1: the way they do it. That's so stupid. Well okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: go vote for him. But like no, but like so
Speaker 1: Randy couldn't get votes for a month because he was
Speaker 1: on ir He comes back and plays the game of
Speaker 1: his life and there's four more to play, and you
Speaker 1: can you can. You have to stop voting today, Dave.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. You're talking about we're talking about the NFL. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't understand their own products, and they make every
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I have not really understanding. They don't they
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Speaker 1: one day usually, but it does get it can't take
Speaker 1: the time to figure out that's the plan at least,
Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, you're right. I mean it is kind
Speaker 1: of weird when you think about, well, this is the
Speaker 1: time where the games really matter. Let's put all the
Speaker 1: division games at the end. Let's let's let them go
Speaker 1: vote down. Let's let the cream rise to the top.
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Speaker 1: Tuesday night. If they don't get it done now, you know,
Speaker 1: they got to get all their graphics in order and everything.
Speaker 1: That's true, sorry, kind of true. Well, what is your
Speaker 1: question though, because you were gonna ask you, well, I
Speaker 1: was gonna I was gonna ask you, guys, if you
Speaker 1: could only pick one offensive and one defensive player for
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl this year from the Cowboys who they be.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear. But I want to see
Speaker 1: what Mica defense easy done. And that's the I'm sorry, Trayvon,
Speaker 1: Sorry Trayvon, but that's interesting, Like Trayvon's like leading the
Speaker 1: league in interception. I said, I'm sorry, it's a testament.
Speaker 1: What more do you want you're making me? You said one, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mica is the one offense. I would probably say, Zach,
Speaker 1: Just go with Zack, and that's the easy one. That's
Speaker 1: the Yeah. Just that's a cop out, is what that is.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean those are the two well I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of that's not a cop I mean, well, it's
Speaker 1: just I mean there are guy, there are plenty of
Speaker 1: guys on offense that have had good seasons, but they've
Speaker 1: just nos dived so much in the way. Who you
Speaker 1: think is gonna go? Let's quit answering around me. Who's
Speaker 1: gonna make the Pro Bowl? Who do we think? Let's
Speaker 1: just let's just see. I'll tell you who. I'll be
Speaker 1: disappointed if they don't think there's gonna be eight guys
Speaker 1: make it? You do, Okay, I don't even know. I
Speaker 1: just that's just my number eight. You just threw out
Speaker 1: a number. I don't think Dak. I don't think Dak's
Speaker 1: gonna make it. No, I kind of don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't think Rogers Brady and Kyler Murray. Yeah, now you
Speaker 1: could still make it. Yeah, but we're talking about when
Speaker 1: they announced the team. It's not six weeks from now
Speaker 1: when somebody opts out K has a better chance than Dak.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been playing well. I don't think, honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't think either one of them are going to make it.
Speaker 1: That's my I know it's only a third of the formula,
Speaker 1: but Zeke was the leading vote getter among NFC running backs,
Speaker 1: ranks third and rushing right now behind. I think Zeke
Speaker 1: makes it now. Four Nett's having a good year, in
Speaker 1: Connor's having a great year. Two just doesn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of numbers, but it's got touched it. He's got
Speaker 1: a twenty, not that many. He's got Zeke, Tyring, zach Um,
Speaker 1: cd C, I think cd cd Um, Micah trey Von.
Speaker 1: I would like, I see, I would like to make it.
Speaker 1: I would like. I think he deserves it, but it's
Speaker 1: so much about name power, and nobody outside of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys fan base really knows that what he's doing. That's
Speaker 1: also where I think the other two thirds of the vote,
Speaker 1: which is coaches, players, That's why I hope, I really
Speaker 1: hope Jayron makes it, and Randy deserves to make it,
Speaker 1: and it's the NFL's fault if he doesn't. Yeh Yeah hopefully, yeah,
Speaker 1: hopefully the coaches and players aspect overrides the fan vote
Speaker 1: in that regard. I mean, honestly, the guy who deserves
Speaker 1: it is just as much as anybody really is, is Anger.
Speaker 1: Brian Inger has been great. Numbers are outstanding. His numbers
Speaker 1: are on pace to actually break Cowboy franchise records. Really yeah,
Speaker 1: net average. I mean he's been he's been phenomenal this year.
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, you don't think of offense. It's
Speaker 1: supposed to be good like this. Who cares about the putter.
Speaker 1: But the putter has flipped the field several times for
Speaker 1: them this year, and I think he's been really good.
Speaker 1: He's been awesome. I just sorry, I don't pay enough
Speaker 1: attention to punters to know how he compares to some
Speaker 1: other guys. In the end, wouldn't rule out Schultz either,
Speaker 1: I mean tight ends got numbers. Sorry, sometimes what's happening
Speaker 1: in my brain kind of just shows on my face.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Derek and I are Dalton Schultz fantasy owners,
Speaker 1: and we disagree. We disagree. I'm not very happy with
Speaker 1: him right now. I know I am the same. And
Speaker 1: that's not fair, I know, because you know, players don't
Speaker 1: they don't. They didn't pick themselves for your fantasy team.
Speaker 1: You picked them, so don't be mad at them. But
Speaker 1: just he looked he was looking like the steel of
Speaker 1: the year. You know, there's always a player that's like
Speaker 1: picked him off waivers and he won me a championship.
Speaker 1: That's what Dalton Schultz looked like at like Halloween, and
Speaker 1: I would's crazy. It's like, I'm still so amazed at
Speaker 1: how quickly things can change. Like how we were talking
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys offense beginning of the year the first
Speaker 1: half of the season. Two were there are now. I
Speaker 1: mean I think that then back then, we would have
Speaker 1: been like, Okay, who doesn't make the program. But we
Speaker 1: didn't have cow bites two years ago because yours would
Speaker 1: have been like, well, he needs to be cut, and
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, agreed, Yeah we all thought. I
Speaker 1: mean I didn't think he was gonna make the team.
Speaker 1: You know, I went back and watched the game. Yea, um,
Speaker 1: this last game, and yes, the pick was terrible by Dak.
Speaker 1: You don't need to be side arm that interceptions on
Speaker 1: him On Schultz, Helts just stops. He's supposed to keep going,
Speaker 1: keep clearing. That's the play. He just sits and stopped.
Speaker 1: But even at that, it still would have been an
Speaker 1: intercept if he kept running. Like the way Dak threw
Speaker 1: that ball, I just don't think he saw the line.
Speaker 1: He didn't see him, but Choltz had to. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's gonna throw it, he's gonna he no, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't agree if you go back and watch it,
Speaker 1: because if Schultz keeps running, then there's no way Holcom
Speaker 1: catches him. That I noticed that. And then also I still,
Speaker 1: for the life of me, has anyone figured out why
Speaker 1: on the play that La l got in the fight,
Speaker 1: why that wasn't a first down for the Cowboys because
Speaker 1: Marker caught the ball. Yeah, they called it, and then
Speaker 1: the ref said after the play seventy one, so it
Speaker 1: should have been first down. And if you said that
Speaker 1: in the press box, and I got a lot of
Speaker 1: people on Twitter hid and be like, hey man, why
Speaker 1: why didn't they get the first down? And nobody really
Speaker 1: talks talk about it. He caught it ated to catch everything.
Speaker 1: We talk about it a lot, but like when you're up,
Speaker 1: especially especially at FedEx where you can't see anything else,
Speaker 1: and like, nope, nobody's helping us, Like we don't have
Speaker 1: the graphics and the play by play, so barely get
Speaker 1: that down in distance. Yeah, that's why it's it's a struggle,
Speaker 1: but we do get it there. But when people say
Speaker 1: and then they say it wrong and then they come
Speaker 1: back and say, no, that's there's got to be a
Speaker 1: better way. There's just got to be a better way
Speaker 1: than that, because honestly, I feel like I'm the reason
Speaker 1: why Jordan Lewis got that force fumble. I really do,
Speaker 1: because I said to Joe. I was like, Joe, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they're calling a force fumble on curse or somebody, you know,
Speaker 1: like that's not right. Yeah, And then Joe told him
Speaker 1: and they were like, oh yeah, So I mean it's
Speaker 1: just it's like we look at the stats. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the Bible. Every every Monday, We're like, here's
Speaker 1: the stats, and what I realize how they actually he
Speaker 1: comes up. But I did find the best job in
Speaker 1: the NFL. There's one lady in there. Her whole job,
Speaker 1: the whole day. All she did was say shotgun, shotgun, shotgun.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that is the best job in the NFL.
Speaker 1: So easy, Hey, honey, while you do how was your day?
Speaker 1: How was the game? Shotgun? Just shotgun? That's all she
Speaker 1: has to say. Probably would have been a lot easier
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, you know, probably right? You only say
Speaker 1: it once every game? Yeah, maybe five times a game?
Speaker 1: All right, real quick? I did want to go a
Speaker 1: little deeper on that tight end discussion though, I was
Speaker 1: David and I were talking about this yesterday evening and
Speaker 1: check this out. In Week five versus the Giants, Scholtz
Speaker 1: let the team with six receptions. He also had seventy
Speaker 1: nine yards on the six receptions. In the first six
Speaker 1: games of the season, he averaged five receptions a game.
Speaker 1: Over the last seven, he has averaged three. His production
Speaker 1: is down. I don't even know. I think it's targets
Speaker 1: are down as well. I don't know the numbers on
Speaker 1: those right off, fan, but I'm pretty sure they are
Speaker 1: down as well. What do you think is happening with
Speaker 1: the tight end? Is this an issue of um or
Speaker 1: A better way to put it is is this a symptom?
Speaker 1: Or is this more of a cause of why the
Speaker 1: Cowboys offense isn't clicking? It could be Gallop, you know,
Speaker 1: it could be you know, having your your past catching
Speaker 1: options are you know, now he's he's taking some of that.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean he's taken the same role because
Speaker 1: they don't play the same position, but you know from
Speaker 1: formation and where they line him out, that could be
Speaker 1: one of them. Um, I don't I don't really know,
Speaker 1: Like if something else was was awesome then you could
Speaker 1: be like, well, to pick your poison and they're gonna
Speaker 1: take this. But but nothing, nothing, nothing else is awesome,
Speaker 1: which is that's it's incredibly frustrating because like simple math
Speaker 1: suggests that one of these guys should be getting great
Speaker 1: get getting great looks, like okay, if you're gonna clog
Speaker 1: and cover and double and take away the receivers, like
Speaker 1: Dalton Sheltz should be getting great looks against linebackers and
Speaker 1: whoever else, and it's just not happening. And I'm I
Speaker 1: wasn't on the show on Monday, so I didn't get
Speaker 1: to bring this up, But like, why why does it
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz should be getting the looks that Zeke has
Speaker 1: been getting, like throwing a wheel route to the fricking
Speaker 1: goalpost for Zeke, who's been he's had good hands this year,
Speaker 1: But why are you throwing that ball to any running back,
Speaker 1: especially hobbled Zeke, Like they took like three shots down
Speaker 1: field to him in that game. And I get it,
Speaker 1: you go where your read takes you, but like why
Speaker 1: even like throw that out? Why are like why are
Speaker 1: you sending Zeke right the whole different thing? He's hobbled, well,
Speaker 1: not only that. But like and like I said, Zeke
Speaker 1: has made some great catches this year, But why are
Speaker 1: you asking him to make this like alligator arm type
Speaker 1: of catch? Like that's you don't ask You didn't ask
Speaker 1: Jason Witten to do that stuff, same thing. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like put it in my bread basket. That's what
Speaker 1: I do. And and you would just think that you
Speaker 1: could scheme those types of looks for your tight end,
Speaker 1: who I would assume is not getting focused on when
Speaker 1: you have three such good receivers. I don't understand it,
Speaker 1: um and I have a hard time believing that they're
Speaker 1: just like freaking eighty six is not catching a damn
Speaker 1: ball today. It's not happen. Nobody's saying that, no offense, Dalton.
Speaker 1: But there's no way that that's what the meetings are
Speaker 1: about in the other buildings. So let me ask this question.
Speaker 1: This is a question comes from Twitter from the Pragmatic Vetter.
Speaker 1: He says, is Jarwin's present miss presents missing on this offer?
Speaker 1: I think so? And that sounds silly to say, Now
Speaker 1: you guys think so. I mean I feel like I
Speaker 1: thought it was no big I became a Shultz fan
Speaker 1: and then forgot about Blake Jarwin. I don't think he
Speaker 1: got answered, but whatever, gohead. But I'm saying like you
Speaker 1: guys started seeing what Schultz could do and then y'all
Speaker 1: were all on board like, oh yeah Schultz, which yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: to be fair, but I don't. I don't think Blake
Speaker 1: Jarwin is the reason why the offense went from amazing
Speaker 1: to not good. But they Kellen Moore loves twelve personnel.
Speaker 1: Like the last time I looked, it was like twenty
Speaker 1: eight percent of snaps. Blake Jarwin is not an amazing blocker,
Speaker 1: especially in space, but like he's good enough at that.
Speaker 1: I think it's a big part of why the running
Speaker 1: game is not as effective. You got two guys. He's
Speaker 1: better than mcun as a block Yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: think he's a better all around player. And again, he's
Speaker 1: not this amazing. He's not Marty b He's not this
Speaker 1: like amazing run blocker. But he's also a hell of
Speaker 1: an athlete that you have to account for. Like, this
Speaker 1: guy can hurt us downfield. He only has ten catches
Speaker 1: this year, but that's his scouting report. You can go
Speaker 1: look at it. Hey, they're playing the Giants. He's he's
Speaker 1: a giant killer. I mean, so he's a guy that
Speaker 1: we're against the Giants this year, I don't and he
Speaker 1: has one touchdown? Which game was it that Schultz had
Speaker 1: good numbers but sucked? Remember that? Remember the game where
Speaker 1: he fumbled like four times? Oh yeah, Carolina? Maybe it
Speaker 1: was either Carolina the Giants. It was at home and
Speaker 1: it was about that time, and I think it was
Speaker 1: Carolina and he dropped a touchdown, right, yeah, I would
Speaker 1: be touchdown game. He fumbled like twice, the rest kept
Speaker 1: bailing him out. It was like, I just I do
Speaker 1: Jarwin's skill set it a specifically twelve personnel because it
Speaker 1: wasn't really starting anyway. But like, he's a plus blocker
Speaker 1: who helps in the run game, who also gives you
Speaker 1: something a defense has to account for in the passing game.
Speaker 1: I do think that they miss him. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's why they have forgotten how to do their jobs,
Speaker 1: but I think it's a sneaky loss. I think what
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, what's weird is with the
Speaker 1: struggles that Dak has been currently having. We've seen in
Speaker 1: the past where when the Cows didn't have this group
Speaker 1: of wide receivers be this great or all together. We've
Speaker 1: seen them rely on the tight end position and how
Speaker 1: good that combination there helps Dak and he had he
Speaker 1: has found success in the past relying on the tight
Speaker 1: end and then now that you see what's happening to me,
Speaker 1: that position has become so forgettable. Like I'm watching the
Speaker 1: game and there are so many other things happening that
Speaker 1: I don't even think about, Oh, what's the tight end
Speaker 1: do and where is he? Like it doesn't even pop
Speaker 1: in my head because I'm too busy looking at the
Speaker 1: old line or the running game is in work gold,
Speaker 1: here's Dye running and then there's not a catch happening
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's just to be on his art times
Speaker 1: that he's just I forget that there's even such thing
Speaker 1: as a tight end position. I can't tell you a
Speaker 1: good moment from the tight end position in the last
Speaker 1: like five weeks probably, And he had a decent number
Speaker 1: of catches in the New Orleans game, but I just
Speaker 1: don't remand the Raiders, Yeah, he played well against the Raiders.
Speaker 1: I think he picked up some third downs. I mean
Speaker 1: was that See that doesn't register with me. It was
Speaker 1: more of a great pass you know by Dak. So yeah,
Speaker 1: is there is there a chance. I don't even remember
Speaker 1: what Jarlin's injury was. Is he out for a year?
Speaker 1: He's not. They're not ruling him out, but it's definitely
Speaker 1: one of those things where if he comes back, it's
Speaker 1: you're probably talking about like end of the year, maybe
Speaker 1: even playoffs for him to be available at COVID too.
Speaker 1: That's he missed two weeks of his rehab and that's unfortunate.
Speaker 1: He was out there, not yesterday, but last week. He
Speaker 1: was out there working with Brits, I mean courts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and good not in not in uniform. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: still good. You know he's working. He traveled to the
Speaker 1: game and yeah, so that mean that that means that helps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not done, but I just like I said, you're
Speaker 1: you're not. You're probably talking about Philly or maybe the playoffs. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: which again that's good. I give one more option. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. All right, appreciate you guys. You We'll be
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