1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Dampyanormal podcast network. Now get ready for another episode of 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. The thoughts and 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and opinions only, 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: and do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast a out, employees of 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: premier networks or their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: to do the proper amount of research yourself, depending on 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: the subject matter and your needs. Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain. 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: For almost twenty five years, I've been on a journey 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: to prove the existence of life after death. On each 12 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: episode will discuss the reasons we now know that our 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: loved ones have survived physical death and so will we. 14 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. There's a reason I 15 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: titled book We Don't Die, A Skeptics Discovery of Life 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: after Death, as it's important for you to know that 17 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: I didn't believe in any of this stuff myself. In fact, 18 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: I went out to prove that mediums were somehow con 19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: artists and that it was people's wishful thinking that had 20 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: them believe in the afterlife. However, I've been at this 21 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: for twenty five years, and I've gone from a skeptic 22 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: too hopeful to faith and now a knowing and a 23 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: certainty that the afterlife is real and that our loved 24 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: ones and us will live on. So are there con 25 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: artists in the world. Absolutely, But as they say, we 26 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Our 27 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: guest today is someone you can believe. He's a top 28 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: medical doctor. His name is Leo Galland he's a graduate 29 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: of Harvard University in the New York School of Medicine, 30 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: and he has listed as one of America's top doctors 31 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: and leading physicians in the world. He's also the author 32 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: of the book Already Here, a Doctor Discovers the Truth 33 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,639 Speaker 1: about Heaven. You can find out more about this great 34 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: man at dr Gallant dot com. Dr Leo Gallant, Welcome 35 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. Great to be talking with 36 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: you today, center, Great to have you, Dr Gallen. Where 37 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: are you coming to us from? Are you in New York? 38 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm in New York City, Manhattan, Greenwich Village. Actually, gotcha. 39 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: Always just nice to have a idea where you are. 40 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: And I'm sitting in my cozy house and just north 41 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: of Boston, Massachusetts, as we talk today, Well, Dr Gallen, 42 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: you know your story much better than I and the 43 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: questions if you wouldn't mind us giving a little bit 44 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: of background about you and maybe how you got into medicine, 45 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: and then we can move on to find out about 46 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: your book that we're talking about today and your son. Well, 47 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: I actually entered medicine with the idea of being a 48 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: research scientist, but quickly found that I loved interacting with 49 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: people more than test tubes and petrie is and chromatographs, 50 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: and so I became a clinician. I have several children, 51 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: but one of them, Christopher, who was one of triplets, 52 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: was brain damaged shortly after birth and was a special 53 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: needs child who was very challenging to himself and to others. 54 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: He was amazing in so many ways because of his 55 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: outgoing friendliness, his sense of humor, the poetry that would 56 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: sometimes grace his speech, but he engaged in constant attention 57 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: getting behavior, was very frustrated by his physical limitations, constantly 58 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: banging into things, unable to do all the things that 59 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: his brothers could do. He lived that way for twenty 60 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: two years now. It was Christopher's death that totally changed 61 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: my perspective on life and on the universe. And I 62 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: came to realize that Christopher had been my teacher all along, 63 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: in life as well as in death. And already here 64 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: recounts that journey. It starts with the moment of his 65 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: death and then goes backwards and forwards to describe what 66 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: I learned from Christopher and the evidence that he showed 67 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: me of the immortality. Now, I just want to say 68 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: that as a scientist, most scientists don't believe in concepts 69 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: like immortality, but it's really important to understand what science is. 70 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: Modern science is a method for knowing and understanding reality 71 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: based upon experience rather than precept and that's a description 72 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: that was coined in the seventeenth century by the foremost 73 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: philosopher of science at that time, Roger Bacon. Actually I 74 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: think it was Francis Bacon, but he was distinguishing a 75 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: system of knowledge based on experience from the systems that 76 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: had dominated Europe since the ancient Greeks, which are based 77 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: on the teachings and precepts of Aristotle. Now, experiment is 78 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: a special type of experience. We tend to associate science 79 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: with experiments. An experiment is just a way of structuring experience, 80 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: but it is really about being true to experience and 81 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: paying attention to it. And the experiences that I had 82 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: as a result of Christopher's death were direct experiences of immortality. 83 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: And if I were to ignore them, which is what 84 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: most so called science tend to do, I will not 85 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: be really scientific. I would be ignoring experience. And what 86 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: I did was to pay attention to this experience and 87 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: allow it to open my mind. So the way the 88 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:20,679 Speaker 1: story went, Chris was twenty two and he had finished 89 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: his education, and so he went to live in a 90 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: community in the Berkshire's in western Massachusetts, near the town 91 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: of Great Barrington. It's a community based upon a principle 92 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: of life sharing. That is, the adults and the people 93 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: who are brain injured lived together. They share their lives. 94 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: Chris was on a farm and was doing farm work 95 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: basically to the extent that he could. He was building things, 96 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: he was taking care of animals, and he was there 97 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: for nine months, which is an interesting period of time. 98 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: In early November, after he'd been there for for about 99 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: nine months, I got a call. When I returned to 100 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: my office from lunch that an emergency room in Great 101 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: Barrington had called. They were resuscitating Christopher. He had gone 102 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: on a hike short hike with some other members of 103 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: the community, had separated from the group. He had a 104 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: Caesar disorder. We think he had a seizure, tumbled down 105 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: in an embankment and drowned in about two inches of water. 106 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: They were resuscitating him. His temperature was very low. They 107 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: had no response at all. They wanted to know what 108 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: to do, and I asked them to keep warming him 109 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: because hypothermia can protect the brain. Maybe when they warmed 110 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: him up, he would revive. And I had all these 111 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: crazy fantasies in my head, as well as as unspeakable 112 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: fears about what this would mean for Christopher. Would he 113 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: actually benefit from this in some crazy way or was 114 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: he going to be even more disabled. My wife him 115 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: over and we were sitting in my office waiting for 116 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: a phone call. I don't know if you've ever been 117 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: in a situation like that. It is the most powerless 118 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: feeling in the world. You can barely move, it's hard 119 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: to breathe. Everything looks dim, you feel the air itself 120 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: feels heavy, and there's nothing to say, he was a 121 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty miles away from us. We found as 122 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: if we could even even had a chance of getting there. 123 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, it felt as if there was 124 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: some kind of high voltage in the room, like lightning 125 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: was about to strike. And my wife and I had 126 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: exactly the same experience, and we both stood up at 127 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 1: the same time. The room filled with an intense bright light. 128 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: Now when I say the room, it's not as if 129 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: we were exactly in the room. We weren't seeing this 130 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: with our eyes. We were more seeing it with our minds. 131 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: And the source of that light was a being that 132 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: both of us recognized as being Christopher. He had Christopher's face, 133 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: only it was perfect and beautiful without all the scars 134 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: from Christopher's many mishaps, and the body was not so 135 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: easy to discern. It was kind of like this oblong 136 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: form with Christopher's face at the apex and light radiating 137 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: out from it, and was rising up as if it 138 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: were a rocket being launched. What was the most remarkable 139 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: thing was the incredible feeling of blissful joy and power 140 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: that radiated from this being, which was like nothing I 141 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: had ever experienced or have experienced since it transfixed you, 142 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: was took your breath away. It was just overwhelming. He 143 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: was there for with us for I don't know, ten 144 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: seconds or so, and then he was gone and the 145 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: phone was ringing, and we knew what we would hear 146 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: on the other end, that that the resuscitation had failed, 147 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: because we both knew we had just seen Christopher's soul 148 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: and it was it was just an incredible gift that 149 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: we couldn't get over. Despite that, we um I don't 150 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: know how much it that actually affected our grief. That's 151 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: the crazy thing. We had had this vision of something 152 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 1: supernatural and divine, and we had seen how how happy 153 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: Chris was, and at the same time we were just 154 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: devastated by what had happened to him, and we had 155 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: to tell his brothers and other members of the family, 156 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: which was really difficult. One of my first thoughts was, 157 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: you know, wow, I always knew Chris was amazing. I 158 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: never realized how amazing he was. And is there a 159 00:10:55,400 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: being like that inside me? Inside everyone? Is that what 160 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: we really are? Yeah? Right? So over the next several months, actually, 161 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: when I was feeling really sad or mourning or in despair, 162 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: I would keep returning to that vision that we had 163 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: almost as if it were a drug. I mean, I 164 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: want to be in that place with Christopher. I want 165 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: to feel that joy in power. That was the first event. 166 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: If that were the only thing that had happened, I 167 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: eventually would have come to dismiss it as a shared hallucination. 168 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: But um, it wasn't the only thing that happened, and 169 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: what followed was in some ways even more dramatic. We 170 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: decided to bury Chris in the Berkshire's. He had been 171 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: such an important part of this community and we felt 172 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: that it would be easier for them to accept his 173 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: loss that he were there if the ceremony were there. 174 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: So we drove up to the Berkshire's and there was 175 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: a funeral mass, there was a burial. I got this 176 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: instinct that felt as if it came out of nowhere. 177 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: There's impulse that is felt as if it came out 178 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: of nowhere to release balloons. It is grave side. And 179 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: so we got twenty two yellow helium balloons, which we 180 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: had thought they'd just be delivered to the grave. They 181 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: were actually delivered to the church. They were attached to 182 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: yellow ribbons and were tied to a sandbag. Dr Gallant 183 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: my apologies. We need to take a short break, but 184 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: when we come back, we'll hear more. You're listening to 185 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and 186 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: Coast Coast a M paranormal podcast network. The Coast to 187 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: Coast a M mobile app is here and waiting for 188 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: you right now. 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I'm Sandra Champlain and we are 207 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: here with Dr Leo Gallant, who is the author of 208 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: Already Here a Doctor Discovers the Truth about Heaven. Dr Gallant, 209 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: you were just talking about the balloons. They were attached 210 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: to yellow ribbons and were tied to a sandbag at 211 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: the grave side. I went to hand them out to 212 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: the people who were there to release, but they were 213 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: so tightly tied I couldn't untie the knots, and I 214 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: used someone's pen knife to cut them. So each balloon 215 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: had about a twelve in length of ribbon attached to it, 216 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: not the usual two to three ft that you see. 217 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: That was I think on a Saturday afternoon, and we 218 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: released them. They flew skyward and disappeared. The next day 219 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: we drove back to New York City. As we were 220 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: driving down Broadway, we came to Columbus Circle and was 221 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: stopped in a lot of traffic, and a yellow balloon 222 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: descended from the sky and hovered right in front of 223 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: our car, about ten feet off the ground. Now my 224 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: first thought was, wow, isn't that a coincidence raised yellow balloons? 225 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: But then I noticed that the yellow ribbon on the 226 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: on the balloon was only about twelve inches long, and 227 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: the balloon looked like it was about a day old. Also, 228 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: this was a cold, windy day in November. We were 229 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: close to Central Park. There's no way that this is 230 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: a balloon that someone purchased in the park and lost. 231 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: This balloon was coming down, not going up. There were 232 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: five people in the car. This was not a vision. 233 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: This was like ordinary sensory experience. We all saw it, 234 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: and this was clearly there. Clearly was about a day old, 235 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: and it could come from somewhere else to settle in 236 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: front of our car, and then it kind of bobbed away. 237 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to try and retrieve it. I couldn't. It 238 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: was too far and the balloon itself didn't matter. It 239 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: felt to me as if Christopher were kind of laughing 240 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: at me, and he was saying, you know, I know 241 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: you you would have come to dismiss the vision that 242 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: I gave you of the more of my immortal soul. 243 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: So I'm sending you this because I would like you 244 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: to explain how this is just a coincident. Explain this, 245 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: Dad and Risty minds from Barrington to Great Barrington to 246 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: New York, Now sure, I I mean I figured out, Yeah, 247 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: it's possible that the balloon could have traveled a hundred 248 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: and fifty miles in a day, But it came right 249 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: to the spot that we were as as we passed 250 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: through it. And Columbus Circle, because it was named after 251 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: another Christopher, had a kind of special meaning. Oh yes, yes, 252 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: never even thought of that. Yeah, because there was a 253 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: place we used to live where there was a statue 254 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: of Christopher Columbus with his name in Italian it's at 255 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: Christofero Colombo, and so I used to call Christopher Christofero 256 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: and he would laugh, you know, because it sounded so 257 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: strange to him. So it was as if he and 258 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: we don't usually take that route when we're heading home 259 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: from being out of the city. We just happened to 260 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: do it that day. So I realized that I had 261 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: to really try to understand and digest this. And they 262 00:17:53,160 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: clearly Christopher was not only with us and alive but happy, 263 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: but he actually had the ability to influence a physical 264 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: event that was occurring in our world, and that was 265 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: pretty amazing. Can I just ask Dr Gallen, did you 266 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: have a sense of faith or believing in, or even 267 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: interested in any afterlife topics before any of this happened. 268 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I would say that I've always been interested 269 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: in what you might call a meaning of life. I 270 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: always kind of assumed that there were questions to which 271 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: there would never be answers. So it just seemed to 272 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: me that we would never know, like, you know, why 273 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: are we here? Are we just here by chance? I 274 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: could accept that that the existence of life and the 275 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: universe itself was some kind of random event. I mean, 276 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: if that's the best we could we could discover about it. 277 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: I always had a feeling that I wanted two that 278 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: I certainly wanted to understand more. But I had developed 279 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: the habit of really living in the moment, and it 280 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: didn't really matter what happened afterwards. What was important to 281 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: me was what I was doing, how I interacted with 282 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: other people, my work, my relationships with my family. So 283 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: I viewed life as a journey, but not necessarily a 284 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: religious journey with a destination. And I mean the first 285 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: thing was I kind of lost my fear of death. 286 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,719 Speaker 1: It was like, if this is I mean, if this 287 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: is what death is whenever it comes, that's you know, fantastic. 288 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing to fear here, there's release, there's joy, 289 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: there's a unity with something so much more powerful and 290 00:19:55,400 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: greater than my own individual self that I'll keep doing 291 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: what I'm doing as well as I can, but with 292 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: no fear of the transition. Now over a period of time, 293 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: so I had no more interactions with Christopher for some 294 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: time after that. My wife Christina, who tends to be 295 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: much more intuitive about things than I am, I would 296 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: often say I feel Christ's presence, and I mean I 297 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 1: would kind of go along with it. I wanted to 298 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: be in the spirit of the moment for her, But 299 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: I just never had that experience until about five years later, 300 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: when I was flying to Los Angeles to give a talk. 301 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: And I've flown in Los Angeles many times, this was 302 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: the only time that the plane actually flew directly over 303 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon. Now, what's important about the Grand Canyon 304 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: is that at the time of Christopher's death, I was 305 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: planning a trip to the Grand Canyon by car with 306 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: Chris and our youngest son, Jordan's that would take place 307 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: maybe the next summer. When Jordan was out of school. 308 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to spend more time with Chris, and he 309 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: was pretty good in the car and loved being around 310 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: Jordan's and I thought the three of us could really 311 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: have a special time together. That never happened, but the 312 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: last words that Christopher said to Christina were I can't 313 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: wait to go on that trip, and he was referring 314 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: to the Grand Canyon trip. So the plane was flying 315 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: over the Grand Canyon and I came to realize where 316 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: we were, and all of a sudden, I had this 317 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: intense experience as if I were outside the plane and 318 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: Christopher was with me, and our tears rushed to my eyes. 319 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: I mean it was and I immediately called Christina once 320 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: we tested the canyon and told her what had just happened. 321 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: About two months later, I was awakened during the night 322 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: with a voice that seemed to be Christopher's saying, you 323 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: have to tell my story. People need to know. And 324 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: so I started planning the book, which I wrote already here. 325 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: And over the next several months, as I described in 326 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: the book, I had a series of conversations with Christopher's 327 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: spirit was essentially an initiation, and he slowly began to 328 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: enhance my understanding of the universe and after life is 329 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: not a term that he used, because among the lessons 330 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: that he gave me was an understanding of the illusion 331 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: created by time. Oh, can I ask how he came 332 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: to you? Was it a vision? Was it just you 333 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: could hear his voice in your mind? Was it you 334 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: just had this noing that wasn't there before? It was? Oh, 335 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: I definitely heard a voice. The voice came from within me. 336 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: It was in my mind. It wasn't like an auditory 337 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: auditory hallucination. I almost never saw him. There was once 338 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: in the desert outside Palm Springs where I did have 339 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: that visual, but for the most part I was always alone. 340 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: That seemed to be the key. But it didn't have 341 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: to be any special place. I mean, it happened walking 342 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: on the beach, It happened in the desert in California. 343 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: But it also happened in my kitchen as I was 344 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: cleaning up after dinner. Other members of my family had 345 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: kind of gone into the living room and I had decided, 346 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: I'll just clean up the table and so and that 347 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: was like the most mundane of circumstances. And that was 348 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: in many ways the most profound conversation that we had, 349 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: and the voice he didn't use the kind of words 350 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: that Christopher used in life. It wasn't as if, oh, Christopher, 351 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: the boy, the brain damaged child is talking to me. 352 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: But he identified himself as Christopher, and I recognized that 353 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: this was not my own voice. These were not thoughts 354 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 1: that I had ever had, even if they were thoughts 355 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: that felt right to me, and some of them didn't, 356 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: some of them felt really hard to follow. Others I 357 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: felt very simpatico with. But these were these did not 358 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,479 Speaker 1: feel like my thoughts, and this was not my voice. 359 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: Often it came in response to my asking questions, and 360 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: sometimes the question would be kind of lighthearted, and then 361 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: I would get a response that was way beyond what 362 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: I had expected or was looking for. Pretty much the 363 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: final conversation started with my the thing about Chris, And 364 00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: I said, what's it like in heaven? Chris? And he 365 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: said to me, really was pretty mind boggling. And it 366 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: took me many years to try and really understand what 367 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: I think that what I think it means because and 368 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: and that's where the title of the book already here 369 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: here comes from. Um. So, the first thing he said 370 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: was it's what I always wanted. Everyone is here, everybody, 371 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: even you. That sent a chill down my spine. Um 372 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: and uh. And of course that is the way that 373 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: Christopher was. I mean, Chris loved being around other people. 374 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: He loved interacting with them on any terms. And if 375 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: he didn't get the kind of interactions he wanted, but 376 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: this was part of his attention getting behavior. But he 377 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: would do anything to drive you crazy. He would do 378 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: nothing that was mean or hurtful, but he constantly wanted 379 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: you to be interacting with him. And so when he said, 380 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: it's what I always wanted. Everyone is here, everybody, Yeah, 381 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: that was Christopher. So then when I asked him about 382 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: and he said everyone even me. 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Dr Gallant, you were 423 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: just talking about a conversation with your son Christopher from 424 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 1: the Afterlife and you were questioning him what about the 425 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: evil people? In that conversation, I said, well, what about 426 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: the evil ones? What about Adolf Hitler? Is he There 427 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: was as if Chris were losing his breath. Who was 428 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: like this sigh or something like the air got sucked 429 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: out of the room. There was a cold chill, and 430 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: then he said to me, you have to understand the 431 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: nature of evil. A lot of things happen in the 432 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: world that are bad, but they're not evil. And at 433 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: this time he explained to me the reason that there 434 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: is a physical universe. He he had previously been leading 435 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: me up to this that it came through most clearly. There, God, 436 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: the divine is loving. It's not that God loves. God 437 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: is not a separate being that loves. God is loving, 438 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: and for loving to be there must be separation, and 439 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: the universe exists to create that separation, with an infinite 440 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: number of beings, each loved and cherished for its own uniqueness. 441 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: Evil is the perversion of that. It is the turning 442 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: away from that love to hate others because of their otherness. 443 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: That is a crime against God. Because we are here 444 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: to manifest divine love, which is cherishing every being for 445 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: being the unique being that it is. That's beautiful. Yes, yeah, 446 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: I mean and and so it just seems so clear 447 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: to me. I mean, I had never expected to have 448 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: such a clear understanding of why we're here, and it 449 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: was kind of it was kind of astonishing now as 450 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: I try to figure out what is this mean, Like, 451 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: scientific doesn't mean anything scientifically I discovered and this is 452 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: this is after the book. Actually I discovered on the 453 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: world of quantum cosmology and Christopher's worldview. There are values 454 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: that quantum cosmology doesn't talk about love. But the concept 455 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: of the universe that Christopher led me to is totally 456 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: consistent with the concept of the universe that's described by 457 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: scientists who are creating this field of quantum cosmology. That's 458 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: actually reassuring to me because it brings two worlds that 459 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: I am very close to together. Um so the way 460 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: that I understand it, and this is what I meant 461 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: about after life, I mean, Chris said, there are two 462 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: big illusions that human humans have and they're related to 463 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: the fact that we are these physical beings, and those 464 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: are the illusions of time and space. And at one 465 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: point I asked him if his uncle Jerry, who had 466 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: died a number of years ago, was there with him, 467 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: and he said, well, of course, where else would he 468 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: be because and you know, and um yeah, if yeah, 469 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: that should be obvious because actually for spirit, space is 470 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: not it doesn't matter. It's not a reality, and neither 471 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: as time. That took me much. My my world and 472 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: my work is so involved with time and sequence. The 473 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: sequence of events is really important in medicine that it 474 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: really was hard for me to understand Chris's notion of time, 475 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: which basically is that time is just a small segment 476 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: of reality. And so the way that I come to 477 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: see it is that we live in a world it 478 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,239 Speaker 1: is really dominated by time space. We've gotten pretty good 479 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: at overcoming space, we don't overcome time. Time sets all 480 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: the rules. And while we were in this world, we 481 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: are pinned to the arrow of time, which relentlessly moves 482 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: forward in the straight line. The world of time is 483 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: a very small fragment of the total universe. That's something 484 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: that quantum cosmologists and physicists seem to understand very clearly 485 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: from a mathematical perspective. And death is basically being unpinned 486 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: from the arrow of time. Oh I like how you 487 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: said that. Yeah, that's and that's all it is now. 488 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: Of course, to some extent, you can do that through meditation, 489 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: even while you're still here. It's a transition from this 490 00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: state to a state that surrounds it. Dr Gala also 491 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: sounds like he's been unpinned from the arrow of physical 492 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 1: health to being this radiant being. Oh yes, I mean, look, 493 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: I work with the physical body all the time. But 494 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: if we take what I learned from Christopher that the 495 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: physical body is simply a means to an end, and 496 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: the end is always the same. It is the expression 497 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: of divine love. All the things that I learned from 498 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: Christopher coalesced into what I'll call free themes. And timelessness, 499 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: which was the most challenging, was one of them, but 500 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: there were two others, and the others really helped me 501 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: understand Christopher and who he was, and in doing that, 502 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: helped me better understand the nature of being in reality. 503 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: I call these themes gifts, and the first gift is 504 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: the gift of the opposite. The gift of timelessness is 505 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: the third gift, and the opposite basically is that's just 506 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: a way that Christopher lived. Now, I mean, he was 507 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 1: always looking for the opposite in every conceivable way, and 508 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: until I came to understand him, it just seemed to 509 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: me as if, well, you know, that's he's just oppositional. 510 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: He's difficult. Sometimes it would be funny and sometimes it 511 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,919 Speaker 1: would be maddening, but that was just Christopher. But in fact, 512 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: Christopher was really teaching me something basic and essential about 513 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: the universe. He in fact, was teaching everybody that he 514 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: interacted with. If you could be open to understanding his 515 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: his teachings. One of Chris's really uncanny characteristics was that 516 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: he had a way of instantly understanding what people thought 517 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: about themselves. So if you thought that you were really 518 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:21,479 Speaker 1: mature or generous human being, or really authoritative, he could 519 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: totally shred that. I mean he could. He could drive 520 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: you crazy, he could turn you into a raving lunatic. 521 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: And then he did that over and over again, and 522 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: he did it to me on so many times. And 523 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: even though I would think, Okay, this isn't gonna work, 524 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: this is the wrong way to handle Chris when he's 525 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: driving you crazy. Uh, he was so persistent if you 526 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: seem to be somebody who was barely functioning because of 527 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 1: Chris's handicaps, and he wound up in situations where there 528 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: were people who were far more handicapped than he was. 529 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: Who uh, young men who's rocking back and forth, tied 530 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: to a chair, speechless, self injurious. He would treat people 531 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: like that with really sincere dignity and respect, just like 532 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 1: this is an individual and I'm recognizing them as an individual. 533 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: That was always the way he was. And if you 534 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: were a loser, if you were someone who thought who 535 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,439 Speaker 1: really had failed and he encountered a number of those 536 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: people and and who just thought you they were losers 537 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: and couldn't do anything right. He would get them to 538 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 1: take care of him in such a way that that 539 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: person would feel like a really strong, significant adult. That's beautiful, 540 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: Fielder value. It is beautiful. And he could show you 541 00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: that whatever you thought about yourself was wrong, and that 542 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 1: the opposite or not necessarily wrong, but that the opposite 543 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: was also true, and that was his whole being while 544 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: he was in the world. Was this search for the opposite? 545 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: Pretty incredible, boy, you have? Yeah, it is, it is. 546 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: And what I realized is the unity of opposites is 547 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: the single principle that characterizes life in our universe. There 548 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: is a unity of opposites that determines everything. And I 549 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: have a chapter in the book in which I go 550 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,240 Speaker 1: into that and what it means and how Christopher seemed 551 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: to understand it and teach it in a rather remarkable way. 552 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: And of course, the most important aspect of that for me, 553 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: and for already here is a relationship between Chris, Chris 554 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: and me. That is, in life, Christine was totally dependent 555 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: on me. He couldn't really take care of himself. He 556 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: always needed others to help him. I was the parent, 557 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: he was the child. I was the teacher. He was 558 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: the reluctant student. But all along he had been the 559 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: teacher and I had been the student. And in death 560 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: that reversal of roles became even more significant and profound. 561 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: And one of the reasons that I wrote already here 562 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: is that I wanted to help people discover the Christophers 563 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: in their own lives, because there are many people like Christopher, 564 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: and if we are open to what they can teach us, 565 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: it will enrich our lives so much. There are many Christophers, 566 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: Dr Gallen, and many people, and I can't help but 567 00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: think that every other being can also give us so 568 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 1: many gifts in different ways. Yes, and that is the 569 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: design of the universe, because the openness to other beings, 570 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: the cherishing them for their uniqueness, learning from them, what 571 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: goes on between us. From what Christopher taught me, that 572 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: is divine love, and that is what creates the universe. 573 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: And by being open to that and manifesting it, we 574 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: are actually part of the divine process that created this universe. 575 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,399 Speaker 1: Dr Gollen. 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You 628 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,839 Speaker 1: could not be distracted and doing something else around Christopher. 629 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,799 Speaker 1: He wouldn't allow that. And whatever he did, that's what 630 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 1: he did. I mean, if it was eating a cheeseburger, 631 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: his whole being went in eating the cheeseburger. I have 632 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,320 Speaker 1: a letter from a psychologist that had worked with him 633 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 1: about that aspect of him. Now, in order to really 634 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: understand and see the opposite in everything, you have to 635 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: be fully present. If you're multitasking, which so many of 636 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: us do, watching the clock, and you're not fully engaged 637 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: in the present moment, you miss the gift of the 638 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: opposite because it's there all the time. And I think 639 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 1: these three gifts, the gift of the opposite, the gift 640 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: of presents, and the gift of timelessness really related to 641 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 1: one another. Um And of course if you if you 642 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 1: really grasp timelessness, then it makes it possible for you 643 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: to be fully present because it frees you from the 644 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: distractions created by time. Can I just add something, I 645 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 1: think it goes perfectly aligned. I'm thinking about the cheeseburger 646 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 1: and so many of us, whether we're on our computer 647 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,359 Speaker 1: or driving or multitasking, how easy would it be to 648 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,319 Speaker 1: suck down at cheeseburger just to fill that growl in 649 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: the stomach. But when we're present, the smell, the taste, 650 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,839 Speaker 1: the sensation of chewing, the sensation of being satisfied, all 651 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,720 Speaker 1: that's there. But the gift of presents is also telling 652 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 1: me and even just hearing your story about the times 653 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,799 Speaker 1: Christopher has come to you in the desert on the 654 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 1: beach doing the mundane task of dishes, you're in the 655 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 1: present moment. And I wholeheartedly believe that when we are 656 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 1: in the present, that is our direct acts us too. 657 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 1: Where there's conversations that you've had with Christopher when he's 658 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 1: in the hereafter, or any of us getting these signs, 659 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,399 Speaker 1: and we're going to totally miss them if we are 660 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 1: in our minds, if we are busy doing other things. 661 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 1: So just that cheeseburger tells me be present in everything 662 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 1: we do, because like you say, already here, I say 663 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 1: here after, because they are here just after their physical existence. 664 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,719 Speaker 1: But we're gonna miss it if we cannot utilize this 665 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 1: gift of presence. Absolutely presents is essential to spiritual understanding. Right, Wow, 666 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: I want to ask you a couple of more things. 667 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 1: And there's a quote that says, lighten up from Christopher 668 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,279 Speaker 1: to talk about that a little bit, because we can 669 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:58,279 Speaker 1: find this human life very heavy significant that came out 670 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,759 Speaker 1: of the conversation about evil um good, you know, and 671 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:08,600 Speaker 1: the origins and reason for our being here. And because 672 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,279 Speaker 1: what Christopher said about the evil ones, as he said 673 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 1: there is it's not as if there's a separate place 674 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 1: like hell. The evil ones are in eternal torment because 675 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,200 Speaker 1: they have subverted the reason for their existence, which is 676 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: the manifestation of divine love, and they have turned against that. 677 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,719 Speaker 1: And he said, I can't say that they're despair, and 678 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: torment in any way blunts our joy because it was 679 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,760 Speaker 1: all that's the way it always has been and always 680 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,840 Speaker 1: will be. And that was kind of depressing to me, actually, 681 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,279 Speaker 1: because of the way that I tend to live and think. 682 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 1: I'm always trying to improve things and and make it better, 683 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,560 Speaker 1: and it's like there's this goal that we're moving towards. 684 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,640 Speaker 1: And so I kind of retreated into my study and 685 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 1: I was brooding on it and thinking, alright, so the 686 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,600 Speaker 1: universe will never be perfect, Christopher said to me, not 687 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: the way that you wanted to be. And then he said, 688 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,040 Speaker 1: you know how you like to tell stories about all 689 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,680 Speaker 1: the quirky things that I did while I was alive. Well, 690 00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 1: around here, some of us like to tell stories about you. 691 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,959 Speaker 1: That makes me laugh. That means everybody's telling stories about 692 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,960 Speaker 1: all of us, okay, right right? You know, and how 693 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,279 Speaker 1: serious you are and how you're always trying to do 694 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,719 Speaker 1: the right thing and lighten up. You're already here, which 695 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,400 Speaker 1: is where the title of the book comes from. That 696 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:45,680 Speaker 1: is so special. It is Are you still in conversation 697 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,479 Speaker 1: with him and doing your mundane tasks in your mind? 698 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,759 Speaker 1: Is no? Actually, he said to me years ago, I 699 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: asked him. I said, well, Chris, what else do you 700 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,480 Speaker 1: have to tell me? And he said, I've told you 701 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,120 Speaker 1: everything you need to know. Now it's up to you. 702 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 1: That's great, and I get it because you, like me, 703 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: like so many of the guests, were given this information 704 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,799 Speaker 1: and to be able to share it and live it, 705 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,760 Speaker 1: what more is there to do or say? It's really 706 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,240 Speaker 1: pretty genius. And I personally believe that when we close 707 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,400 Speaker 1: our eyes this last time here on Earth, it's like 708 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,880 Speaker 1: crossing a finish line. When we open them, all of 709 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,560 Speaker 1: our loved ones are there, and you know, your radiant 710 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,799 Speaker 1: boys going to be right, even the ones who were 711 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,319 Speaker 1: still here or there is ah and that that's a 712 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:46,160 Speaker 1: mind blowing thing. But for me, and I know, you know, energy, 713 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 1: several forms of energy can be in the same place 714 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 1: at the same time. I'm sitting in my living room. 715 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,200 Speaker 1: There's a wireless internet around me, there's television signals, there's 716 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,520 Speaker 1: all these things, and I believe that our loved ones 717 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,280 Speaker 1: and hereafter are as well. So it's just the flip 718 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:09,359 Speaker 1: side of that that we are over there already here. Yes, 719 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,239 Speaker 1: And our human brains might not get it, but I 720 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,880 Speaker 1: think our souls do. When we quiet our minds that 721 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,279 Speaker 1: we can get How that makes sense. Yeah, Quieting the 722 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: mind is really important. If you quiet your mind and 723 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,839 Speaker 1: you can sort of mentally detach yourself from the arrow 724 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:32,280 Speaker 1: of time and you can begin to immerse yourself into 725 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,440 Speaker 1: that greater reality. And when I do that, I know 726 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:41,000 Speaker 1: that Chris is there. That's the circumstance in which I 727 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,680 Speaker 1: feel Chris, Wow, what a gift he has been to 728 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,719 Speaker 1: your life, as with your other children, I'm sure, and 729 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,440 Speaker 1: your wife. But what a gift you've been to us 730 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:56,440 Speaker 1: and sharing this story. Just before we connected, I downloaded 731 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,680 Speaker 1: a couple of your books actually, and I'm really excited 732 00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,680 Speaker 1: to get into already here and Dr Gallen, we just 733 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,520 Speaker 1: have a few minutes left, and I know we are 734 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,520 Speaker 1: not ones to toot our own horns, but I just 735 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,400 Speaker 1: wanted to let the listeners know just a few of 736 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,160 Speaker 1: the other books that you've written, just because a couple 737 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 1: of them really called out to me and they made 738 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,719 Speaker 1: to other people as well. So I'm just going to 739 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,920 Speaker 1: take a second to do that just quick, because I'm 740 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,440 Speaker 1: on your website and these are the titles. The Allergy 741 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,319 Speaker 1: Solution is one book, of course, he's got already here. 742 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,879 Speaker 1: The fat resistance diet that just on the book cover, 743 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,400 Speaker 1: I found some things that I didn't know existed. Gastro 744 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:44,440 Speaker 1: intestinal disregulation, connections to chronic disease, you've got the heartburn 745 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:50,279 Speaker 1: and indigestion solution, the natural approach to reverse acid reflux, 746 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:57,760 Speaker 1: power healing which sounds very interesting, and super immunity for kids. 747 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,160 Speaker 1: And I know you've written plenty and that other things 748 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 1: that have been published, but it is evident to me 749 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,000 Speaker 1: by not only already here, but the other books that 750 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,080 Speaker 1: you've written, that you have a passion and a commitment 751 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,360 Speaker 1: for people in our bodies and in our souls to 752 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,319 Speaker 1: really make the most and have the best life possible. 753 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,399 Speaker 1: And I want to thank you for who you've been, 754 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,359 Speaker 1: all the education and practice you've done, and what you're 755 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,719 Speaker 1: doing right now to carry this forward. And I think 756 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,160 Speaker 1: you're a remarkable man. And I feel very honored that 757 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 1: we've got to spend this time together today. I so 758 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,040 Speaker 1: appreciate that you've you know that you've given me the 759 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,160 Speaker 1: opportunity to talk with you and to talk with your 760 00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,799 Speaker 1: listeners about my experience with Christopher. Do you have any 761 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,759 Speaker 1: closing words? I just feel kind of pulled to say, 762 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,960 Speaker 1: listening right now, we do have a lot of grieving parents, 763 00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,160 Speaker 1: um and other folks that are grieving the physical loss. 764 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,160 Speaker 1: If you were to just to give a maybe just 765 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: a couple of words of hope those that you miss, 766 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,440 Speaker 1: the grief is real, but they're not gone. And through 767 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 1: your grief and through the love that you feel, you 768 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,200 Speaker 1: can connect with those that you've lost here because you 769 00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:25,279 Speaker 1: haven't lost them. They've left this world of time, but 770 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,960 Speaker 1: they are with you in the universe and they always 771 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,799 Speaker 1: will be because there is no time there. Actually, as 772 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,880 Speaker 1: Einstein said, there is no before and after those illusions. Wow, 773 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,200 Speaker 1: I didn't know, he said that. Brilliant. Yeah, I didn't either. 774 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,680 Speaker 1: He a friend of his died and in a letter 775 00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:47,280 Speaker 1: that he wrote to the widow of his friend, he said, yeah, 776 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:52,399 Speaker 1: physicists know that before and after illusions are illusions. So 777 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:57,680 Speaker 1: those that we think we've lost, they are with us forever. 778 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,160 Speaker 1: And if you can quiet your mind and attach yourself 779 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,279 Speaker 1: from the arrow of time, you can feel that. I 780 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,200 Speaker 1: personally so appreciate those words, and what a great reminder, 781 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,920 Speaker 1: and I love being unpinned from the arrow of time, 782 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,960 Speaker 1: and that means being in the present moment, whether you're 783 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,120 Speaker 1: eating a cheeseburger, whether you're with another human being to 784 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,640 Speaker 1: be there fully present, whether you're just alone with your 785 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,720 Speaker 1: own thoughts and you just take time to quiet your mind. 786 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,160 Speaker 1: Who knows, Dr Gallant, how many other people, now that 787 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,640 Speaker 1: they've heard your story, have the possibility of having those 788 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:40,120 Speaker 1: kind of conversations with their loved ones. Thank you so much, 789 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,400 Speaker 1: and to our listeners, thank you for being here today. 790 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,440 Speaker 1: To find out more about Dr Gallant, you can go 791 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:51,239 Speaker 1: to Amazon and type in Leo Gallant, or you can 792 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:56,840 Speaker 1: type into your browser d R Gallant dot com. Also 793 00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,840 Speaker 1: as a home base, go to we Don't Die dot com, 794 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,560 Speaker 1: which is the title of my book, and there, if 795 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 1: you just scroll down a little, you can join my 796 00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,040 Speaker 1: Insiders Club, which is my email list, and you'll get 797 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,239 Speaker 1: a very healing audio called how to Survive Grief, and 798 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,680 Speaker 1: also a free PDF copy of my book. Now it 799 00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,600 Speaker 1: only says the first few chapters, but the whole book 800 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,400 Speaker 1: is there. You'll also find many interviews, you'll find access 801 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,600 Speaker 1: to online courses, and also our free Sunday gathering. Yes 802 00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,719 Speaker 1: I said free, very inspirational every Sunday, and part of 803 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,200 Speaker 1: it is a medium demonstration so you can see and 804 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,520 Speaker 1: feel that love never dies. I'm Sander Champlain again. Thank 805 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,000 Speaker 1: you you've been listening to Shades of the Afterlife on 806 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,680 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a M 807 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:57,000 Speaker 1: paranormal podcast network. 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