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Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Guilty and Charge Podcast, presented by the

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Speaker 2: Chargers Podcast Network. My name is Stephen and I am

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Speaker 2: the host. As always, coming to you on a Monday evening.

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Speaker 2: You guys, we listened to this early in the week

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Speaker 2: than usual on Tuesday, and happy to dive into free

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Speaker 2: agency today with my guy Tyler.

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Speaker 1: Tyler, what I mean? How you doing today? Steven?

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Speaker 3: I am ready to podcast with enthusiasm unknown to mankind.

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Speaker 4: Let's do this.

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Speaker 2: Nice, love to see it. We gotta we gotta get

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Speaker 2: the acronyms down to eut B no eu TM. Excuse

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Speaker 2: me u TM. We'll get it, We'll get it.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That was a great video that the Chargers did.

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Speaker 2: The Ravens also added an interview of Jack Harbaugh as

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Speaker 2: well on their channel, so it was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: But we'll we're gonna dive into the start of free

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Speaker 2: agency today, also talk about some future needs draft implications

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Speaker 2: maybe if we have time about anything that's.

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Speaker 1: Going on today before we dive in.

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Speaker 2: As always, Tyler and I are fans of the team

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Speaker 2: just like you guys are. The opinions that we expressed

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Speaker 2: on the show are not always reflective of the opinions

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Speaker 2: of the Chargers organization. Instead, it is just that it

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Speaker 2: is our opinions and we're very grateful to have this

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Speaker 2: platform and be able to dive into things like this. So,

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Speaker 2: like I said, we're recording this on Monday evening, the

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Speaker 2: first day of the legal tamp brain period is about

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Speaker 2: to come to an end. It's five PM as of

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Speaker 2: recording this. The start of the new league year is

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday. You guys will be listening to this on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: So apologies if it's not completely up to date of

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Speaker 2: what we are going to talk about today. But Tyler,

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Speaker 2: I think it's only fair that we discuss the latest

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Speaker 2: news around mister Austin Eckler as it currently stands. He

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Speaker 2: is slated to sign with the Washington Commanders. It is

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Speaker 2: a reunion of sorts with Anthony Linn. And we'll get

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Speaker 2: to some of the Chargers specific news here in a

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Speaker 2: minute in terms of additions and things like that. But

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Speaker 2: I felt that it's only right to start with Austin

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Speaker 2: Eckler because he's given so much to the franchise, and

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Speaker 2: I know it didn't end well. I know he battled

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Speaker 2: through some injuries and things like that. But one of

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Speaker 2: the best and coolest stories of Chargers football over the

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Speaker 2: last twenty years that I can remember, going from an

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Speaker 2: undrafted free agent who was not even projected to be

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to give a shout out to Austin

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Speaker 2: he's battled through to overcome these you know, the circumstances

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Speaker 2: But wish him nothing but the best in Washington, and

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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty cool that he is, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anything but the AFC definitely not the AFC West.

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Speaker 3: So congratulations to Austin Eckler. I hope you have a

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Speaker 3: watch over several years since he joined the league in

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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen undrafted free agent. Every year a Chargers undrafted

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Speaker 3: was awesome to watch. Wishing nothing at the best.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hunrember sent so well, we'll see how that goes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, problem solved. Congratulations to him. There may not have

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Speaker 4: He was my breakout candidate.

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Speaker 3: He's the player I thought would break out, and he

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Speaker 3: And I think he's just perfect for what the Chargers

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Speaker 4: You played to the scheme.

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Speaker 3: It's not an individual defense where you know, you try

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's great as well.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, the Chargers hired his former safeties coach from Notre

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Speaker 2: even though he'll be learning a new scheme. I think

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Speaker 2: you look at what Alohi has been able to bring

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Speaker 2: And I'm excited to see how this pans out because

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Speaker 2: I think it's a great contract, a deserved contract. You know,

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Speaker 2: So he's very excited, as you know, for himself. And

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Speaker 2: I think this overall was a great way to start

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Speaker 3: Just go look at the last couple of years. Joe

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Speaker 3: You know he watched the first few games, watched the

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Speaker 3: last year, I think Khalil Mack, I think inarguably was

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Speaker 3: Giblin was the spark that generated one turnover, two turnovers

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Speaker 2: Again, yeah, one percent agree there. It was a true

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Speaker 2: pleasure watching him play last year. Take that next step

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Speaker 2: working with Jesse Minters defense, reunited with his old position coach,

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Speaker 2: continue to build with Derwin James.

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Speaker 1: Like that's that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: A lot a lot of like safety play is so

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Speaker 2: it's so mental, right, Like it's a position where you

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Speaker 4: Oh, perfectly.

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Speaker 3: It's a perfect fit obviously because of the connection, specifically

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Speaker 4: We had weighed different ways the Chargers could go.

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Speaker 4: And I think this contract is perfect. It's perfect for

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: And they want to be able to be physical, get

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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think this deal precludes them from signing

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Speaker 2: But I want your thoughts here, Tyler about specifically, maybe

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Speaker 3: I'm looking for someone who is a bit more of

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Speaker 1: So it is gonna be really interesting.

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Speaker 2: our channel for years. The Seattle Seahawks tight end room

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Speaker 2: has been my favorite room to watch because all three

437
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Speaker 2: of their guys could block, could catch, do everything. So

438
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Speaker 2: Will Disney specifically, he's going to be your inline blocking

439
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 2: tight end. He's not going to offer you a ton

440
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Speaker 2: of receiving upside, but in the run game, he's a

441
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Speaker 2: guy that again is going to set the tone. This

442
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Speaker 2: is a sixty five, two hundred and sixty pounds tight

443
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Speaker 2: end and from argin men on our guy, he's he

444
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Speaker 2: said that. Will Disley has been top eighteen among all

445
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Speaker 2: tight ends in run blocking eight grade each of the

446
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 2: last three seasons. In twenty twenty he was injured, but

447
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 2: the last three seasons he was a fantastic blocker. Last

448
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 2: season he was actually second in the league in run

449
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Speaker 2: blocking grade. And this is a great fit for what

450
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,439
Speaker 2: the Chargers have needed. Again, similar to us Edwards, you

451
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 2: just need somebody to come in stabilize the room, set

452
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Speaker 2: the tone, be able to handle all the dirty work

453
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Speaker 2: that you need of a true tight end to in

454
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Speaker 2: this kind of offense. Will Desey is going to bring

455
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Speaker 2: all that and more. Obviously has a connection to Sanday Law,

456
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Speaker 2: the wide receivers coach of the Chargers, formerly of the

457
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Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: So just checks a lot of boxes.

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Speaker 2: I've been asking for a blocking tight end ever since

460
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Speaker 2: Virgil Green broke his ankle a.

461
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Speaker 1: Few years ago.

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Speaker 2: So this is this is a real great move from

463
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Speaker 2: the Chargers, good value, and since he was cut by

464
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Speaker 2: the Seattle Seahawks, he does not count against the compic formula.

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Speaker 1: We know how much Joe Ortiz loves those compics.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, cycle of compicks.

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Speaker 3: Here we go, Steven. I don't know if the Chargers

468
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Speaker 3: are going to win a Super Bowl this year, but

469
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Speaker 3: this is our Super Bowl up. Blocking tight end is

470
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Speaker 3: our Super Bowl. We have been asking for one for

471
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Speaker 3: years now because when you turn on the film, you're

472
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Speaker 3: watching a game live, when you see protections breakdown or

473
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Speaker 3: maybe the Chargers can't run the football, and the first

474
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Speaker 3: thought is what, it's the play callers, it's the offensive line,

475
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 3: it's the running backs. The tight ends don't always get

476
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Speaker 3: brought up when you're watching the broadcast view. You turn

477
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Speaker 3: on the film next few days and you just see,

478
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Speaker 3: unfortunately over the past several years and several players they

479
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 3: just could not hold up blocking wise, and that the

480
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Speaker 3: call was great, the offensive.

481
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Speaker 4: Line protected well.

482
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Speaker 3: I think the running back went the right way, but

483
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Speaker 3: just because the tight end could not hold that block

484
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Speaker 3: and sustain that block, the run game suffered. It was

485
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Speaker 3: unfortunate to watch just those the one play or player

486
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Speaker 3: just not.

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Speaker 4: Quite hold up with Disney. You get that.

488
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Speaker 3: And if you're curious what the Seattle tight end blocking

489
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Speaker 3: group looks like, go look at the two hundred and

490
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Speaker 3: seventeen yards and two touchdowns they put up on the

491
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Speaker 3: Chargers a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 4: Like, I promise they can block.

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Speaker 3: And that's when I really fell in love with how

494
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Speaker 3: Seattle blocked because rewatching that game, it wasn't just like

495
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Speaker 3: a good player, it was a really great system and

496
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,719
Speaker 3: they blocked well, and they blocked together and so distantly

497
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Speaker 3: doing that for the Chargers.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: Like, I'm really really excited.

501
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Speaker 3: The big question, I think, more so than any name

502
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Speaker 3: we've brought up so far, is how does this impact

503
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Speaker 3: the draft, and in particular one individual in brock Bowers.

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Speaker 3: I think I personally believe it mostly rules out a

505
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Speaker 3: tight end every other point in the draft, although I'm

506
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Speaker 3: not opposed by any means, but this specifically related to

507
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Speaker 3: brock Bowers. How do you feel now that Disley has

508
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Speaker 3: reportedly signed of the Chargers.

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Speaker 4: Odds are taking Bowers at five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, like you mentioned in terms of a

511
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Speaker 2: late tight end, like I don't think you need to

512
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Speaker 2: do like the whole like a J. Barner thing or

513
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Speaker 2: like Tip Ryman in terms of like the late day

514
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 2: three blocking tight ends. If you're going to get a

515
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Speaker 2: tight end in the draft, it's got to be somebody

516
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Speaker 2: who can bring some dual upside in terms of being

517
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Speaker 2: a blocker and a pass catcher.

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Speaker 1: The stuff. With Howers, I just.

519
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Speaker 2: I think at number five he's a value because I

520
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: think he's a generational tight end prospect. But from a

521
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: financial standpoint, I get it like he is. He is

522
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Speaker 2: not a financial value at number five, maybe not even

523
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Speaker 2: in the top ten. But you know, I think the

524
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: Chargers would have to trade down quite a bit in

525
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Speaker 2: order to take brock Powers, just based off of like

526
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Speaker 2: the needs and the cap situation and everything like that.

527
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Speaker 2: So I don't think it rules it out, Like I

528
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Speaker 2: don't think I don't think signing Gus Edwards rules out

529
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Speaker 2: trade Benson in the second round or whatever the case

530
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Speaker 2: may be. Like I think the Chargers are going to

531
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Speaker 2: just want to draft good football players.

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Speaker 1: I've just been kind.

533
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Speaker 2: Of feeling more and more that number five specifically is

534
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Speaker 2: going to be one of the wide receivers or an

535
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Speaker 2: offensive tackle, just based off of like positional value and

536
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Speaker 2: how kind of the Ravens have operated in that regard.

537
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Speaker 2: But I don't think if they trade down and they're

538
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Speaker 2: dematium between brock Powers, one of the corners or one

539
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 2: of the pass rushers, that hey, we have willed Dissy,

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Speaker 2: we're not taking brock Bowers. I don't think that's going

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Speaker 2: to be how they operate either.

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Speaker 3: No, I agree there, And as you've pointed out before,

543
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Speaker 3: the Ravens with Joe Ortiz, granted not as the general manager,

544
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Speaker 3: they've gone double dipped at tight end four times, four

545
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Speaker 3: separate times. Now, Bauers Disley is a heck of a

546
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Speaker 3: double dip, if that's kind of how you're viewing things.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think that rules out.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I think that if you're worried about anything

549
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Speaker 3: for brock Bowers, it's maybe as an inline blocker, as

550
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 3: a blocking tight end, you could now take Bauers and

551
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 3: just say go have fun, just go do your thing.

552
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Speaker 3: We're paying Will Disley a lot of money to block

553
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Speaker 3: you go have fun. All those SEC players you treated

554
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Speaker 3: like children like, just go do the same thing.

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Speaker 4: Go have fun.

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Speaker 3: So I don't think it rules out brock Bowers by

557
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Speaker 3: any means at five. But I do think it, like

558
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Speaker 3: you talked about it with Barner and some of these

559
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 3: other guys, it rules out a guy later on.

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Speaker 4: But again I'm not opposed either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the way that brock Bowers blocks

562
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Speaker 2: would complement the way that Will they see blocks very well,

563
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Speaker 2: because uh, Brock Barwers does a lot of like the

564
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Speaker 2: h back secondary blocking tight end duties that he was

565
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Speaker 2: able to do with Darnold Washington. Not to say that

566
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Speaker 2: Will this he's gonna be Darnald Washington at Georgia because

567
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: that guy was a freak at Georgia, but I.

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Speaker 1: Think it fits well.

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Speaker 2: I think like a Ben so Not from Kansas State

570
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 2: would fit very well in that regard as well. THEO

571
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Speaker 2: Johnson we've talked about, he kind of is more like

572
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Speaker 2: your traditional inline tight end. But I don't think that

573
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Speaker 2: signing Will Disley would preclude would preclude them from drafting

574
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Speaker 2: THEO Johnson either, although THEO Johnson's draft stock might preclude

575
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Speaker 2: them from drafting him because he's apparently soaring on board,

576
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Speaker 2: So I would be a fan of, you know, taking

577
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Speaker 2: Benson in like the fourth round, if that's the move,

578
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Speaker 2: because he can do kind of some fullback stuff as well.

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Speaker 2: We know that the Chargers are gonna want to have

580
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Speaker 2: a fullback en route too, and Snat can do a

581
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: lot of receiving things as well, so he's kind of

582
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Speaker 2: more of like an ISSAA likely type, but probably better

583
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Speaker 2: a blocker. So that would be a fun projection and

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Speaker 2: I think that would be a fan. The last thing

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Speaker 2: I'll say about will Disley. One thing I loved watching

586
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Speaker 2: him when I would ever whenever I would watch the

587
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 2: Seahawks tape is they would max protect with him essentially

588
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: as like a six blocker quite often. And he's a

589
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: very capable one on one pass protector, so he is

590
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Speaker 2: a guy that they would trust pretty frequently, like blocking

591
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Speaker 2: opposing edge rushers. He had a couple of good reps

592
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Speaker 2: against Kloemac last season and excuse me in twenty twenty

593
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: two one on one reps where he can just I'm

594
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Speaker 2: going to set this edge. You guys kind of go

595
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 2: handle your own thing. Maybe you chip with me as well.

596
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Speaker 2: But he is a guy who can pass protect as well.

597
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: So I think that will open up a lot of

598
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Speaker 2: like the play action shot game where you keep will

599
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: this Lee in you six man protect and he's a

600
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Speaker 2: guy who can handle that kind of role too, which

601
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Speaker 2: gives the Chargers a lot of flexibility to be able

602
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Speaker 2: to access the deep parts of the field as well.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome. Love to hear that.

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Speaker 1: Yep, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: So, uh, those are the moves that have been made

606
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Speaker 2: today in terms of the free agency market. I'm going

607
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: to check Twitter very quickly to see if they're was

608
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 2: anything else that we missed in that regard, but doesn't

609
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: look like there is for the Chargers. But the Chargers

610
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: did make two official moves over the weekend, tendering Cameron

611
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Speaker 2: Dicker as well as Foster Surrell. The the ERFA tag,

612
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: if you will, is a little less than a million

613
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: dollars on the contract, so if you're looking at over

614
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Speaker 2: the cap or spot rack, the cap space number for

615
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Speaker 2: the Chargers has changed a little bit. But Tyler, your

616
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Speaker 2: thoughts on bringing those two guys back, and maybe particular

617
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Speaker 2: mister Cameron Dicker.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's start with Foster Cerril first.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of Chargers fans went great, no

620
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: offense to tackle at five. I don't think that's what

621
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Speaker 3: that means. But I'm happy to have him back and

622
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Speaker 3: hopefully he continues to develop. I don't know if he's

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Speaker 3: still working with Duke Manyweather, but I believe this would

624
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Speaker 3: be year two for him working with him, so I

625
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: would assume.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, so great, hope he continues to develop.

627
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Speaker 3: As for Cameron Dicker, it's a no brainer in whatever capacity.

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Speaker 3: If you said the veteran minimum or the er you

629
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: RFA tag or forty two million dollars, I would have said, Okay,

630
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: you know whatever. I think the guy absolutely deserves it

631
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: regardless because he's he's awesome.

632
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Speaker 4: And the Chargers have maybe had a kicker.

633
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Speaker 3: Who in five games has been good for one year

634
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: has been good, but about about two years now with

635
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: Cameron Dicker and hitting over ninety percent, and he's projected

636
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: to be if he continues this pace, one of the

637
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: most accurate field goal kickers in NFL history, And yeah,

638
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Speaker 3: I'm on board with that. So my reaction to that is,

639
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, like putting the eagle noise behind me

640
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: and get him to the Pro Bowl next year.

641
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Speaker 2: Yes, everybody can get ready to vote for him this year.

642
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: We I wasn't super familiar with this with this specific

643
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: tagline from the NFL. We we had Alex Katzen from

644
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: Charters Wire, who does draft stuff for us on our

645
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: own channel, and he, you know, he kind of expanded

646
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: upon this that the ERFA tag locks him in for

647
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: this year and then Cameron Dicker would be a restricted

648
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: free agent next year. So the going to have elite

649
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: kicker play on a very cost controlled contract for the

650
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Speaker 2: next two years for the Chargers. I mean, the kicker

651
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: market's not like exploding, but like Will Lutts got like

652
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: fourteen million dollars today on the market and he is

653
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: significantly worse than Camera Dicker was last year. So this

654
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Speaker 2: is this is great news for the Chargers. We've talked

655
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Speaker 2: a lot about Ryan Ficken and the work that he's done.

656
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Speaker 2: You know, Cameron Dicker was not necessarily like an elite

657
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: kicking prospect by any means. He did some punting work

658
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl. A lot of people thought he

659
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: could be a punter in the NFL too, And Ryan

660
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Speaker 2: Ficken and Chris Gold have really done a fantastic job

661
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Speaker 2: of just building up Cameron Dicker's confidence I know a

662
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: lot of people after twenty twenty two were like, we

663
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 2: don't know if Cameron Dicker can hit from fifty plus,

664
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Speaker 2: Like what kind of leg does he have? Like how

665
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: does he handle more clutch moments in year two? Like

666
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: was this kind of put intendent lightning on a bottle

667
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: situation from a kicker standpoint? And they just have continued

668
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: to pour resources, poor great coaching into him and now

669
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: nobody had any concerns about his leg and the distance

670
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: that he can hit from. And you know, every single

671
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: time he tried it out for for a field goal

672
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: that was over forty eight yards, like I felt like

673
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: I could walk away because I just trusted him to

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Speaker 2: make it, you know, and I didn't have to stress

675
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: and worry and have anxiety about whether or not this

676
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Speaker 2: kicker was gonna make it. So it's just been a

677
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: ton of fun to watch him play. He's got a

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Speaker 2: great personality obviously as well. He was working out with

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Speaker 2: some actor recently. I forget his name. He was in

680
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Speaker 2: Top Gun, The Blonde Guy.

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Speaker 4: My sister will kill me for not Glenn Powell.

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Speaker 1: Glenn Palell. There we go. Yeah, I was working out

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Speaker 1: with Glenn Powell in Texas.

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Speaker 2: The other day like, so it's it's just it's it's

685
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: a lot of fun to see his personality shine through.

686
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: The Chargers obviously did a great job with the Pro

687
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Speaker 2: Bowl media thing as well, and hopefully that happens again

688
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: next year. We need a better call Saul sequel for

689
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: next season. But overall, man like and also your sens

690
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Speaker 2: I'm excited about Camera Dicker's future.

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Speaker 1: The Chargers getting elite kicker play.

692
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Speaker 2: And I probably less than two million dollars over the

693
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: next two seasons is very very fun to see as.

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Speaker 3: Well, so so nice, and I think only Chargers fans

695
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 3: get this. I don't know if there's another team that

696
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: gets it like Chargers fans get it. And what it

697
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 3: means to have Cameron Dicker obviously with the personality and everything,

698
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 3: is so great to have him on the team. But

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Speaker 3: I mean, it used to be when the Chargers would

700
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: go out to kick, I'd sit there and I wouldn't

701
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 3: even look. My dad would have to tell me, or

702
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: I would just like like shrink into my seat. You know,

703
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: I couldn't even watch it. Now I just go get nachos. Dude,

704
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 3: there's a there's a sixty five yard field goal on

705
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Speaker 3: the way, I'll just go get.

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Speaker 4: Some chips, dude, Cameron Dicker is gonna get that.

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Speaker 3: It's awesome, awesome to have him returning, can be with

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00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: the team for another year, in several more years. I

709
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: hope this is not his temporary home, because it's certainly

710
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: where he belongs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent agree there. Yeah, Foster Sourel excited

712
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: to have him back as well. I think, you know,

713
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: he's he's a developmental tackle, you know. I think he

714
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: showed some good good signs last season and limited action,

715
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: but you know, we'll kind of see what happens there. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it does not mean anything about the draft as much

717
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: as I want to see Foster Strell do well. If

718
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: the charge want to tackle, they'll they'll still take one, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Tyler.

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Speaker 2: Any other thoughts about anything that happened today or this weekend.

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Speaker 4: For the Chargers.

722
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: Nothing yet, but we do obviously have some There are

723
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: still more positions to fill here. There are a lot

724
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Speaker 3: more There's a lot more work that has to get done,

725
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: but so far, I'm confident that they will get it done.

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Speaker 4: A plus starts so far.

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00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, as it currently stands, Again, these moves that we

728
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: talked about today have not become official official yet, so

729
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: the Chargers, like I mentioned the camera dicker at Foster

730
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: Strell moves are official. So the Chargers currently have negative

731
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Speaker 2: twenty one million dollars in cap space. There's as of

732
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: recording this, there have not been any resolution on the

733
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Speaker 2: quote unquote Big four. Something has to be done before Wednesday.

734
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Speaker 2: So by Wednesday at one pm, the Chargers do have

735
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Speaker 2: to be cap compliant, so somebody is going to get moved.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what happens there. The other thing, in terms

737
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: of financially, Khalil Mack and Joey Bosa, who reportedly are

738
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: available via trade according to alber Beard, Diana Rossini and

739
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Speaker 2: several others, they both have roster bonuses due on Friday,

740
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Speaker 2: So Friday maybe a potential kind of soft deadline for

741
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: the Chargers if they don't want to pay those bonuses

742
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: to move one of the edge rushers. And then by

743
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: all accounts, it sounds like Keenan Allen is here to stay,

744
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: which is the right decision as well. Again, nothing official there,

745
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 2: but they still have time. I know people are starting

746
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: to be a little antsy about things.

747
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Speaker 1: I get it.

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00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: Something will happen by Wednesday by one pm. Because they

749
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: have to. They have to do that in order to

750
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Speaker 2: be CAP compliant, and then we'll kind of see what

751
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: happens after that.

752
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 4: Well, Chargers fans a bit antsy, not us. We would

753
00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 4: never do that.

754
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Speaker 1: I would never I have also ansy for what it's worth.

755
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: Oh well, okay, well that's a you problem. Go to

756
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 3: the gym, buddy, let.

757
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 4: It out, buddy.

758
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: The Chargers, in whatever shapewear form they do it, they

759
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: will become CAP compliant. Joe Orgiesus said as much. He

760
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: has no choice, and he's joked about that.

761
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: No choice. It's gonna happen.

762
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: What the moves are we don't know as of right

763
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: now at five point forty one on Monday.

764
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 4: I do not know, but the Charger won't figure it out.

765
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 3: And I certainly don't think you go out and make

766
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: these reported moves and bring back Aali Gillman without this

767
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 3: plan already being in place. So I think that if

768
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 3: it's two moves, if it's three whatever, in some way,

769
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 3: shape or form, I think they've been decided. And I

770
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 3: just think we're just waiting on the announcement. By the

771
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: time you hear this episode, I'm sure something might come out.

772
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we'll see.

773
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, the Chargers have to be CAP compliant,

774
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 2: and then now they have these three moves to make

775
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: official on Wednesday, So it sounds like that's that's probably

776
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: coming down to the home stretch there. I'm sure you know,

777
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: things came out over the weekend that the Chargers are

778
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: open for business. They're taking calls on most of the

779
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 2: veteran players. I kind of doubt that they're taking calls

780
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: on Keenan Allen personally, as much as people might think that.

781
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: But if you're the Chargers, you have no reason to

782
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: rush into this decision. You know, you're your incentive, as

783
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: Johorties is to explore every possible avenue, see if you can,

784
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 2: you know, collect some valuable draft resources for one of

785
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: these guys. Maybe you're talking to them about taking a

786
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: pay cut, restructuring extensions, all this stuff. So if you're

787
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: Joe Ortiz, why rush into making this decision? As much

788
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: as I and others would like to see a resolution happen,

789
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 2: if you're him, like, export every single possible avenue, turn

790
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 2: over every stone, make sure you know you're you're reaching

791
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: out to all these teams. Hey, like, you never know

792
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: who is going to trade for what I mean, the

793
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: line traded for a corner. Everybody kind of expected them

794
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: to trade for lagerious need and instead it's one of

795
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay corners. So you just you never know,

796
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: like what teams have strong impressions of these other players,

797
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 2: and so work the phones, talk to the agents, see

798
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: what kind of avenues.

799
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: You have here.

800
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: So if you're the Chargers, like you continue to be patient,

801
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: you play this thing out. You know you have to

802
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: get things done before Wednesday at one. But there's no

803
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: real need to rush into that decision either.

804
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 3: No, definitely not. And they take these calls. Every team

805
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 3: takes these calls no matter what. There's only one truly

806
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 3: untradeable player on the Chargers, and that's a long snapper,

807
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 3: Josh Harris. He's the only person you just never pick

808
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: up the phone before. I'll respect Josh Harris. I've interviewed him.

809
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 4: He's great.

810
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: But every player not that these players aren't safe, but

811
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 3: you always you always take you take the call. You

812
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: never know, or you make the call. You know the

813
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: other team you make that call. Tom Tolesco, Hey, Kilt

814
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 3: Mac is available. Oh, Kalimax available. Let's go get Khalil Mack.

815
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: You know, Tyreek Hill was basically untouchable, not available. Dolphins

816
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: make that call and it turns out, oh, he might

817
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 3: actually be available, and they go out and get at him.

818
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: So you know, make these calls, take these calls. It's

819
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 3: a part of it. But we'll see what happens in

820
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 3: the next few days.

821
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 4: No rush to get it done though, No rush except

822
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 4: for the part where you have to get it done

823
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 4: by Wednesday.

824
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, except for the deadline that you know, we all

825
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: have deadlines in life, so sometimes you're able to be

826
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 2: patient and maybe this turns into a rushing situation, stressful

827
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: situation on Tuesday night, but you know, they have to

828
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: get things done by Wednesday in order to sign these

829
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: players to their contracts. Which as on aside, the whole

830
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 2: tampering thing is hilarious to me because like it used

831
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: to just be like, oh, like they agreed to terms.

832
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: Like now we have like official contract details before these

833
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: players are even signing the contracts, like we already know

834
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: how much the signing bonus is, how much of the

835
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: year two count is, Like everything comes out now in

836
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 2: the tampering period, but they can't sign until Wednesday, which

837
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: is just goofy to me at this point.

838
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean by the time I can send like

839
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: one tweet, they've already got all these contract details and everything.

840
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

841
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 3: Wow, look at that and every structure and this and that,

842
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: and not only that, but they have a subsequent move.

843
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: You know, there was a move for Josh Jacobs and

844
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 3: there's a let go of Aaron Jones and they're like, wow,

845
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: you had that all figured out within the last two hours.

846
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

847
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 4: It takes me longer to make trades in fantasy.

848
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: Football or pick up football than it is for these

849
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: two supposedly happen.

850
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'll never forget the free agency two years

851
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: ago where it's like, oh, the tampering period comes open,

852
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: but it's like everybody's like, oh, it's gonna be a

853
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: little bit and like literally, at like nine and like

854
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: thirty seconds, Adam Schefter tweeted out that the Bengals had

855
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: signed a guard from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, like right away,

856
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, okay, So you know, it's just

857
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: it's silly to me. All these deals happen at the combine,

858
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: let's be real.

859
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, not for the Chargers though, whatever.

860
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: All alrighty then, so I think that's going to do

861
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: it for us today, unless you had any other.

862
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: Thoughts, Tyler, Nope, all right, sounds good. Hopefully guys enjoy

863
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: that episode.

864
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: Really excited to see what the Chargers have in store

865
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: the rest of the week.

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Speaker 1: We'll have you.

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Speaker 2: Covered over on our channel, I the Guilty as Charge Podcast,

868
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: so please go tune in, make sure like comment subscribe

869
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: here on the Chargers channel. Chris and Matt will have

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Speaker 2: you covered later on in the week to cover the

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Speaker 2: other moves that happen on here, so be sure to

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Speaker 2: stay tuned for that one. Appreciate the Charges for having

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Speaker 2: us as always, thanks to Greg Kim for producing. And

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Speaker 2: that's going to do it for us today. With you

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Speaker 2: guys next week as always, bull Time