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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 1: Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are here and that

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Speaker 1: of our fellow conspiracy realists, and this is where we

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Speaker 1: get to share our stories directly with each other. We

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Speaker 1: are going to hear a little bit more about gifted programs,

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Speaker 1: following up on our following up on our public Education

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Speaker 1: talk about something that we haven't really touched on this

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Speaker 1: So strap in for that one. But before we do

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Speaker 1: of course to our nascent robo overlords, roboverlords.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well we're.

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Speaker 1: Shopping and we've got this great correspondence that came in

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Speaker 1: through the old email.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the good old fashioned email. You know it conspiracy

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Speaker 2: at iHeartRadio dot com send yours today. So let's start

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Speaker 2: with this first one. Hey, Matt Nol and the one

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Speaker 2: they call Ben. This is Big Bean, and I've got

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Speaker 2: some more terrifying technological news to tell you guys about. Recently,

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Speaker 2: I heard about a new cool use for our little

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Speaker 2: algorithmic friends we call AI and their new expansion into

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Speaker 2: the US military scene. That sounds great, Big Bean, I

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Speaker 2: can't wait for all of us to think about this

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Speaker 3: Here we go so stooked.

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Speaker 2: There are new unmanned drones like the XQ fifty eight Valkyrie,

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Speaker 2: What Skyborg? You're telling me? Somebody in the military took

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Speaker 2: Skynet and the Borg, smashed it together and is making

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Speaker 2: an AI system for unmanned military planes called the Skyborg.

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Speaker 1: That's a way more creative that I assumed, Matt, because

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Speaker 1: I thought there was literally some guys sitting around and going,

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Speaker 1: you know, like a cyborg. But in the air, we.

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Speaker 1: Could call it the abot.

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Speaker 2: Oh? Lord, they know not what they do. Okay, let's

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Speaker 2: continue on with Big Bean here. From what I've been

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Speaker 2: there's the potential for losing human lives I mean soldiers'

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Speaker 2: lives now when it's too great, Okay. I thought you

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Speaker 2: to hear all's thoughts on this. Best regards Big Bean,

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Speaker 2: the real human and definitely non AI. Trying to gather

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Speaker 4: I think it was I think it was real, but

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Speaker 4: who knows these days. It was a tweet from James

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, okay, big Bean, first off, hats off to

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Speaker 3: Or like like the watermark, like the DJ college.

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Speaker 2: Big Bean sent us was an article from twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: Two of a chuckle every time you say the Big

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Speaker 2: And I'll just give you the title here after successful

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Speaker 2: flight tests for Skyborg x Q fifty eight, continuing to evolve,

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Speaker 2: I don't like any of that. Stop evolved, Stop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, evolve was definitely an editorial choice there as even

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Speaker 1: Yes called Cratos, who shouted out, yes, Kratos from the

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Speaker 1: something called a program of record. A program of record

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Speaker 4: And we're back with another message from you. Yes, you

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Speaker 4: of a sudden, you're like being eaten alive kind of

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Speaker 4: And it's just I can only imagine that someone who

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Speaker 4: is neurodivergent would not respond very well to that, and

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Speaker 4: I'm glad that it all worked out in the end.

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Speaker 2: Do you guys ever think we should unpair education and

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Speaker 2: socialisation and make those two separate things. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if that's what causes problems for especially neurodivergent individuals.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's tough because the environment in which a juvenile

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Speaker 1: informing brain is functioning is just so radically different. That

444
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Speaker 1: environment simply did not exist in the past. You know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the conventional socialization methods throughout human history

446
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Speaker 1: were in person, and now for many people, that in

447
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Speaker 1: person mix of socialization has radically decreased. There are some

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Speaker 1: really good, really good things that happen when you see

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Speaker 1: extracurricular cultural education like a lot of my friends whose

450
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Speaker 1: parents are Japanese nationals, when they spend time in the US,

451
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Speaker 1: they went to a US school and then afterwards they

452
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Speaker 1: went to Japanese school, which is all about the culture

453
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Speaker 1: of Japan, language learning, history of Japan and stuff. You

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Speaker 1: can see this also with some religious schools. You can

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Speaker 1: also see this with any number of cultural programs or

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Speaker 1: community centers. And I think that socialization free from the

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Speaker 1: sort of top down teach for the test problem that

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Speaker 1: is plaguing in the US right now, I think it

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Speaker 1: can be a little more helpful to kids because you

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Speaker 1: don't have to have the same learning style as someone

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Speaker 1: to socialize with them. But you do have to have

462
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Speaker 1: a pretty narrow band of learning styles to succeed in

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Speaker 1: the to succeed in the current state of public education, that's.

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Speaker 4: Right, and I mean short of having all of the

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Speaker 4: resources in the world financially to be able to send

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Speaker 4: your kid to the exact right school that suits their

467
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Speaker 4: exact right needs, or to hire a special you know,

468
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Speaker 4: to be able to be one on one with your kid,

469
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Speaker 4: you do kind of have to figure out how to

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Speaker 4: make your kids school experience work within a pre existing

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Speaker 4: system that is as we know, imperfect, despite the best

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Speaker 4: efforts of many of the folks that work at these places,

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Speaker 4: you know, because we know that folks that work at

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Speaker 4: these schools do it out of love and out of

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Speaker 4: most for the most part, out of love and out

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Speaker 4: of commitment, you know, to children, because they certainly aren't

477
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Speaker 4: doing it for you know, the big bucks.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's tough.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's a really good point that you

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Speaker 4: both brought up about socialization versus education. But unfortunately, you know,

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Speaker 4: the experience that kids get in school is their kind

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Speaker 4: of first exposure to socialization, and oftentimes it's a real

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Speaker 4: negative one.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I mean it's it's definitely cold water. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're putting You're putting a child in gen pop surrounded

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Speaker 1: by other kids, all of sort of unknown variables. It's

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Speaker 1: not it is not unexpected for dissent and tension to occur.

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Speaker 1: But I do have to say the problem, at least

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Speaker 1: from my perspective, and I've only formally studied education a

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Speaker 1: bit so non expert, but the problem has never been

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Speaker 1: the teachers, by and large, right, And when we are

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Speaker 1: talking in critical ways about the education system, we are

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Speaker 1: not talking about the teachers. By and large, you know,

494
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Speaker 1: who break their hearts and spend their own money trying

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Speaker 1: to give people opportunities that this nation promised them. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're following up on what was agreed. And yes there

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Speaker 1: are cases of predators in the education system. Yes there

498
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Speaker 1: are cases of what we would consider abusive teaching styles

499
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Speaker 1: now and we're going to meet someone later in the

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Speaker 1: show who came up under one of those systems. But

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Speaker 1: I love that you're pointing it out in all the

502
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Speaker 1: the teachers are not the problems. It's not the teachers

503
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Speaker 1: who say, forget learning and inclusivity and five oh four plans,

504
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Speaker 1: let's make sure kids are only good at this milestone test.

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Speaker 3: That's not the teachers.

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Speaker 1: That's the admin in the system above them forcing them

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Speaker 1: to do that. Even when they say it's a bad idea.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: And even those admins, it's not like it's their idea.

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Speaker 4: You know, they're charged with meeting certain benchmarks, you know,

511
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Speaker 4: in order to get the meager funding they do get right,

512
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Speaker 4: and if they don't meet those then they can lose

513
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Speaker 4: that funding and things can be even worse for them.

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Speaker 3: So it really is it's kind of.

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Speaker 4: A catch twenty two and also just last thing for me,

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Speaker 4: the whole socialization aspect, Like even though we often can

517
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Speaker 4: explain it away or say, oh, it's just you know,

518
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Speaker 4: we're throwing you in the deep end and then you

519
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 4: got to you gotta sink or swim, but we know

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Speaker 4: that doesn't work for everybody, and it can result in

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Speaker 4: a long term trauma, you know, to well, you know,

522
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Speaker 4: children who have bullying experiences that go unchecked, they go unnoticed,

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Speaker 4: and that can follow them for their entire lives too.

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Speaker 4: So it is just really important to listen to your kids,

525
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Speaker 4: even if they're not talking to you about it directly,

526
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 4: just pay attention. And if you have the sense that

527
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 4: your kid is being messed with, if not physically, you know,

528
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 4: emotionally is worse, you know. And now with all of

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Speaker 4: the horrific ways that that kids can be access you know,

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Speaker 4: via the Internet and docked and all of these horrible things,

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Speaker 4: like we know that can lead to serious negative outcomes.

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Speaker 4: So I would just you know, I know there's no

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Speaker 4: parent out there that loves their kid that isn't thinking

534
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Speaker 4: about these kinds of things. But I would just say,

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Speaker 4: you know, keep an eye on it, because it's something

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Speaker 4: that can go unnoticed because kids oftentimes, you know, don't

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Speaker 4: want to let you know because they're ashamed or they

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Speaker 4: don't know how to put it into words or something.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, it's just something to be aware of.

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Speaker 2: I think another thing to look out for NOIL is

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Speaker 2: something you may be unaware of. Similarly is if your

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Speaker 2: kid might be exaus phibiting bullying behaviors at school, because

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Speaker 2: you might you might not be aware, and your child,

544
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Speaker 2: you know, may not be doing it for any malicious reason. Besides,

545
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: they're mixed up about something, right, So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Just it's just a call out to remember to talk

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00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 2: with your kids, talk with your parents, be open about things,

548
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: and communicate.

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Speaker 4: And it doesn't mean you're a terrible parent, you know,

550
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Speaker 4: if you're you know, because the way we I think

551
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 4: think about it or assume is that if a kid

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Speaker 4: is a bully, it's because they're responding to something horrible

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Speaker 4: at home or they're being bullied at home, and it's

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Speaker 4: not That's not always the case. There's there's a million

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Speaker 4: reasons that kids could exhibit certain behaviors. So again, it's

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Speaker 4: just really important, I think, to all of our points

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Speaker 4: just to keep you know, keep be mindful, you know,

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Speaker 4: and be vigilant.

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Speaker 3: Well, you don't have to be a helicopter parent to

560
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Speaker 3: do that either, So I think that's it. Let's take

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Speaker 3: a quick break, and well, thanks.

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Speaker 4: Again Alice by the way for the for the lovely email.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna take a quick break and then we'll be

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Speaker 4: back with one more piece of listener mail.

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Speaker 1: And we have returned a slight teaser here. Want to

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Speaker 1: give a shout out to let's call you a JL

567
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Speaker 1: who just sent a letter to us. We read every

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Speaker 1: letter we get about a troubling case of blasto mycosis

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Speaker 1: in Michigan. Tune in because we're going to get back

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Speaker 1: to that one later. For now, I'm going to give

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Speaker 1: a shout out to a friend of ours, friend of

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Speaker 1: the show, who did not give themselves a moniker. And

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Speaker 1: if you will trust us, a fellow conspiracy realist, why

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Speaker 1: don't we call you the Funky House. It makes sense

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Speaker 1: to you. Right, everybody else is listening, they're going, that's

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Speaker 1: a weird name. But trust us. We workshopped at we

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Speaker 1: did some market research. It's good ten ten. So the

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Speaker 1: Funky House says Hello. Ben Matt Nole, big fan of

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Speaker 1: the show, listening to all for a couple of years now.

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Speaker 1: You may have covered this subject before, so my apologies,

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Speaker 1: have I missed your discussion of this topic on a

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Speaker 1: previous episode. The subject title looks a little wonky. It

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Speaker 1: also took me a couple tries to make sure I

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Speaker 1: was spelling it correctly, but Medja Gore is a town

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Speaker 1: and area in modern day Bosnia and Herzegovina where a

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Speaker 1: group of children claimed to have been visited by visions

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Speaker 1: of Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ since the early

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. The Funky House, you have done us an

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Speaker 1: immense favor. I remain astonished that we have not explored

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Speaker 1: divine interventions or appearances right in a previous episode, so

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Speaker 1: it has to be on the way. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: This is fascinating. It's something that we don't always talk about,

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Speaker 1: but we just we just had a great conversation with

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bethay, the creator of the Exorcist Files, and it

595
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Speaker 1: was it was a heck of a deep dive. So

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Speaker 1: the and the infernal, I would say, are on our

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Speaker 1: collective mind. Here's what the Funky House says. I first

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Speaker 1: heard about these occurrences while I was attending Catholic elementary

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Speaker 1: school during the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 3: I grew up.

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Speaker 1: Outside of Washington, d c. In a fairly safe and

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Speaker 1: progressive suburb. The school I attended was very old school,

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Speaker 1: conservative Catholic and its views and its discipline. This is

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Speaker 1: what I was talking about was some teachers having teaching

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Speaker 1: methods that we would consider abusive today. The Funky House

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Speaker 1: goes into detail about some of the very uncool things

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Speaker 1: that these instructors were doing. Anyway, I want to paint

608
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Speaker 1: the picture of the main topic of this email and

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Speaker 1: how we were taught about it. In June nineteen eighty one,

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Speaker 1: a group of kids, some like six in total, claimed

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Speaker 1: to have been visited by Jesus's mother on a hill

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Speaker 1: in modern day Bosnia Herzegovina. It was at the time

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Speaker 1: the Federal or the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Pause there,

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Speaker 1: have you guys ever heard of this incident?

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Speaker 3: I have not.

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Speaker 1: Nope, Yeah, but we've all heard of people claiming that

617
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Speaker 1: they have seen, course like a visitation, right.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes in the form of a piece of burnt toast

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Speaker 4: or you know, a shadow, you know, But yeah, I

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Speaker 4: mean it's again. In the conversation with Ryan. The fine

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Speaker 4: line between divine intercession or demonic intercession and mental illness

622
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Speaker 4: or mental wellness is something that I think is very

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Speaker 4: interesting to all of us.

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Speaker 2: But when a group of six kids witnesses something together,

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Speaker 2: in my mind is is it? You know? Are they

626
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Speaker 2: playing a game? Are they actually experiencing something? How do

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Speaker 2: you prove that they experienced something? Of this is fascinating.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to dive into that.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, like witch trial stuff, you know, where you had

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Speaker 4: people that were claiming to have experienced things simultaneously, or

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Speaker 4: the screaming girls of Malaysia, you know where oftentimes it's

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Speaker 4: a mass hysteria kind of situation, or the real deal.

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Speaker 1: They did titch it, bas So man, all right, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: agreed on all points. Here is what the Funky House says.

635
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Speaker 1: Words started to spread as more and more people began

636
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Speaker 1: hearing about events and visiting the children while they interacted

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Speaker 1: with Mary on an almost daily basis and more than

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Speaker 1: one appearance, the government got Yeah, the government got involved,

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Speaker 1: which probably gave the situation a lot more attention than

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Speaker 1: the government would have wanted. The kids were heavily questioned,

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Speaker 1: sent to psychologists to determine if they were lying or

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Speaker 1: to your pointment, playing a game. Some of the information

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Speaker 1: I read says the Funky House. It claims that the

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Speaker 1: kids were not all experiencing a group psychological episode, nor

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Speaker 1: did the doctors believe them to be deceptive. The situation continued.

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Speaker 1: People in the church, whether it be Eastern Orthodox or Catholic,

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Speaker 1: started to take notice, some saying they believed the children

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Speaker 1: and then becoming critics of those kids.

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Speaker 3: Later.

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Speaker 1: Nevertheless, people around the world, mostly Catholic, began traveling to

651
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Speaker 1: this area to witness the children interact with Mary. Although

652
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: only the kids could see the visions. The government was

653
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: initially very skeptical and critical of the children, and they

654
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: began to see the economic benefit of tourism, so they

655
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: started promoting it.

656
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: Than Yeah, I mean hear that kind.

657
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 4: Of stuff with the toast, you know, I mean right,

658
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 4: like it's almost I think it's been parodied in some

659
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 4: television series and it's escaping me which one, but no,

660
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 4: I know what it was. It was actually in Breaking

661
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 4: Bad or I'm sorry and better call Saul. We're in

662
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 4: order to get a continuance of some kind or to

663
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 4: hold up a deal with like a bulldozing a man's property.

664
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 3: They claimed to have seen virgin Mary.

665
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 4: On like a fence or something like that, and it

666
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 4: had been brought all of this tourism.

667
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: And there's a great episode of Always Studying in Philadelphia

668
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: about what what is thought to be a divine water staying.

669
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: Very very smart show, very well written. So here's how

670
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: the Funky Hoose walks us through the process. No one

671
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: can see Mary except for these kids, and that often

672
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: happens in a lot of these sightings. The process for

673
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: interacting with Mary involves the children praying with a rosary,

674
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: a prayer band the Catholics use in some ceremonies, and

675
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: then entering an almost trance like state as they interact

676
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: with the visions of Mary. These events usually last for

677
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: a few minutes but are apparently very powerful. Most reports

678
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: state the kids are the only ones to actually see

679
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: the visions, but people in the crowd have stated they

680
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: were moved by their experiences, and some did claim to

681
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: see stuff versions of lights popping around the area and

682
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: the funky houses. Kindergarten teacher, whom he notes was just

683
00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: an absolute great person, went to this area in Herzegovina

684
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: and was so moved by her experience that she became

685
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: a nun, so she definitely felt something, you know what

686
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean.

687
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: Oh, this all sounds like Missus Davis to me. I

688
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: think they ripped that show off of this whole thing.

689
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: Not really, but it sounds very similar.

690
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: Oh you know, I didn't think about that.

691
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one. By the where's the There's a

692
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: big AI thing that's going on in this kind of

693
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 2: controlling the world. Everyone's addicted to it, but there's one

694
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: single nun that can fight back because she's not connected.

695
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: It's fantastic. I would highly recommend the show. But she speaks, well,

696
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: I don't want to spoil too much. I'm going to

697
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 2: spoil a little bit. If you don't want to hear

698
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 2: a spoiler about Missus Davis, skip forward for a second.

699
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: Here we go Missus Davis. The nun can physically close

700
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 2: her eyes, meditate and see Jesus, and at one point

701
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: interacts with Mary and then she comes out of her

702
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 2: trance like state and comes back to reality. It sounds

703
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: like that's exactly what these kids are doing.

704
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

705
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is also, by the way, where the

706
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: invention of nunchucks came from. No pun left behind. I'm

707
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: not above it. Anyway, so the oh gosh, I ka

708
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: wait to hear other versions of that joke. Please forgive

709
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: us those of the monastic orders. We have said so,

710
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: we have said, and can, and we'll continue in the future.

711
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: We're getting quite good at it, so the Funky House says.

712
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: The visions have continued throughout the years, with hundreds of

713
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: thousands of people around the world participating in the events.

714
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: Up until today. There are podcasts, books, websites all devoted

715
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: to this phenomenon. Here's where it gets crazy, Sorry, says

716
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: the Funky House. I've always wanted to write that. The

717
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: Catholic Churches, an organization, has not yet made an official

718
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: statement on these events. It seems like the view of

719
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: the Church depends on whichever pope is currently in power.

720
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: Pope John Paul the second was sympathetic with the children,

721
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: but did not consider this a miracle or didn't declare

722
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: it as such. Pope Benedict was more critical, and Pope

723
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: Francis said we need more investigation. So officially the Catholic

724
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: Church has not said, yes, you are being visited by Mary,

725
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: the Mother of Jesus, but it seems like unofficially it's getten.

726
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: A lot of attention, and a lot of people, including

727
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: members of the clergy, absolutely believe this. And then the

728
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: Funky Ause talks about transubstantiation, the belief that upon being

729
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: blessed bread and wine does physically change into the body

730
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: and blood of Christ during Mass. He talks a little

731
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: more about the other divine visitations of the past, visions

732
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: of Fatima from nineteen seventeen, which was one of the

733
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: big secrets that popes used to learn when they became official.

734
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: We talked about that one a little bit in the

735
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 1: past with secrets to the Vatican, and more and more

736
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: people skeptics are trying to prove these events are a

737
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: hoax or kind of find discrepancies in the kid's stories.

738
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: And the weird part is, as a Funky House points out,

739
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: even if this was initially like a hoax, a game

740
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: of make believe gone awry and astray, they seem to

741
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: have fully committed to their stories. Their stories don't change

742
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: over time, and keeping six people on the same message

743
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: for forty years, as the Funky House points out, that's

744
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: a tall milkshake. At this point, you have to ask,

745
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: you know, regardless of our own spiritual beliefs or lack

746
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: thereof what would compel compel this group of people to

747
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: have this story and stick to it.

748
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: The power of Christ the capel them. There we go.

749
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like I've looked. This is just my

750
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 2: personal opinion. If it sounds like a fun game, you guys,

751
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: the adults all think we're like actually talking to Mary.

752
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: We'll just keep doing it.

753
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: And then when one kid says, well, I actually am

754
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, and then the message spreads, just like in

755
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: a stadium where everybody does the wave.

756
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 4: Oh, it's all a game until somebody gets hurt or whatever.

757
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 4: I mean again, you see this in plot lines a

758
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 4: lot where these kinds of things happen where it is

759
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 4: a game, but then one member of the of the

760
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 4: group starts to take it more seriously than the rest,

761
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 4: and then they're in too deep and they have to

762
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 4: cover for each other and that kind of stuff.

763
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: Have you guys read Fouko's Pendulum.

764
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 3: I have not.

765
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: It's by umberto Echo and it is a it is

766
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: so it's so weird. It's about, if I remember correctly,

767
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: I haven't read quite some time. It's kind of like

768
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: what you're describing. It's like where people invent a kind

769
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: of intellectual game or conspiracy, and it gets out of

770
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: control and it becomes increase real for them, sort of

771
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: like what's that other film that wonderful Kate Winslet film, Fantastic.

772
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 4: Creatures, Oh well, Heavenly Creatures, Creatures all beautiful.

773
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: I loved it. I loved it.

774
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 4: It's just you can't stream anywhere, by the way, or

775
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 4: maybe you can, but it was really hard to get.

776
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 3: I have a copy of it on DVD.

777
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 4: But Peter Jackson one of his first movies, unlike anything

778
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 4: he's ever done. You can get a hold of it.

779
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 4: Please watch it. It's an ext It's like a fle

780
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 4: ade kind of situation, right.

781
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: Stay for the claymation alone. Sure, and it's based on

782
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: a true story. It's disturbing. So we know this kind

783
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: of social dynamic, to the point about socialization earlier, it

784
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: can have real world effects. You know, an idea, my opinion,

785
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: is very close to a living thing, and it is

786
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: transmitted between people. It grows from them. You know, we're

787
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: all the roots of collective ideas, and we feed them

788
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: and we nourish them so.

789
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 3: They can metastasize too.

790
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: You know.

791
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very toxic.

792
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and with this I do want to give one

793
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: more piece to the Funky House's letter, which is quite through,

794
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: so we're pulling excerpts or not reading the whole thing here,

795
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: but very well written. And the Funky House pointed out

796
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: something that I think was going to be one of

797
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: our immediate collective questions. Did these six individuals become rich

798
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: and famous? You know what I mean? Are they hitting

799
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: up Oprah or whatever the Bosnian equivalent of Oprah is.

800
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: They have made appearances on media, but they don't seem

801
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: to be chasing the limelight. There does not seem to

802
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: be a strong financial motivation. At least maybe there is

803
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: when we just have to dig deeper, but I don't know.

804
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm also thinking, like practicing empathy here at the current

805
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: state of science, it is possible to it is possible

806
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: to do some fun brain monitoring such that you could

807
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: tell if the kids or the former kids believe their

808
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: own story, right, you could tell that, but it's really

809
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: difficult to see what they're seeing. There's some good groundbreaking

810
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: research going on right now that will allow scientists to

811
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,479
Speaker 1: see an image that you are imagining in your head.

812
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: So like if you say, think of something you sit

813
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: on and you're wired up to these contraptions, and you

814
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: think of a couch, then they can see that image

815
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: of a couch from your brain and decode it. But again,

816
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 1: that's a long way away from proving that the Mother

817
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ is making these appearances, and we have

818
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: to be careful not to leap too far. But like

819
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: within the how would you approach it if you were

820
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: receiving visions and would you tell people about them? Would

821
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: you do what the visions told you?

822
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 4: God, I hope not to the second one, And God,

823
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 4: I hope so that I would tell people about that,

824
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 4: all the appropriate people about them.

825
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 3: I would hope.

826
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 4: You know, I've been watching Legion lately. Have you guys

827
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 4: seen Legion? It's incredible, Matt, It's so up your alley.

828
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 4: It's like it's barely it's a comic book show. But

829
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 4: it's like about an alternate reality kind of version. It's

830
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 4: all alternate reality, alternate dimension I guess, multiverse version of

831
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 4: the X Men.

832
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: And there is a I guess like you did.

833
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 4: With Missus Davis minor tiny functional spoiler, but uh five

834
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 4: four three two one. It is mutants that are very

835
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 4: powerful that are being kept in what appears to be

836
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 4: a psychiatric institution, and they are made to believe that

837
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 4: the visions they are having are in fact psychotic episodes,

838
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 4: and that their powers are in fact psychiatric issues that

839
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 4: have to be medicated away and dealt with.

840
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 3: So I'm sure.

841
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 4: Exactly why I brought that up, just on my mind,

842
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 4: but the idea of visions and they're them having a function,

843
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 4: you know, and and are they telling you something or

844
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 4: is it just you know, your mind breaking down or

845
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 4: the product of some trauma that is unaddressed.

846
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: I think I watched a couple of episodes. I just

847
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: remember a lot of blood and death at some point

848
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: early on.

849
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: It's great.

850
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: It's just really smart.

851
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 4: It's very like twelve Monkeys meets like Michelle Gondry or something,

852
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 4: or like Oh, I think he hero Mariah had something

853
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 4: to do with it, who's an incredible director, and it's

854
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 4: the guy that also created that, Noah Holly is his name,

855
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 4: who did like the Fargo television series. And it's just

856
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 4: incredibly clever and smart and beautifully shot.

857
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: And it's based off the comic character who is the

858
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: son of Professor X. I would also say there's a

859
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: little one threw over the Cookar's nest in it in

860
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: a very good tight So this, uh, well, what about

861
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: you bett before before I play my hand and get

862
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: us out of the show. Here, what what would you

863
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 1: do if you received visions that were let's say, attempting

864
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: to persuade you.

865
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'd build that arc? You know what I mean?

866
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: Why not?

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Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? What not?

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Speaker 2: If if it was building an arc, if it was

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Speaker 2: doing something nefarious or you know, bad to that would

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Speaker 2: affect or hurt somebody else, then hell no. But man,

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Speaker 2: if if something shiny came down it was like there

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Speaker 2: is a flood a coming and we need a boat,

873
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Speaker 2: and I'll be like, yes.

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Speaker 3: Hey about that, you know, keep me busy, keep me

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Speaker 3: out of trouble. I'll build an arc.

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Speaker 4: I got a backyard, I got some wood clan, I

877
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Speaker 4: got some saw horses and power tools.

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Speaker 1: Let's get let me finish playing this League of Legends campaign.

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Speaker 1: And I am right on it.

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Speaker 3: God, Oh no, you're right.

881
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Speaker 2: I would just play video games instead.

882
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Speaker 3: You're not to leave you hanging, but man, this campaign

883
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Speaker 3: is ripping.

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Speaker 1: God have you heard of best feeds? Because I feel

885
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Speaker 1: like you got to shift your priorities a little ouch ie,

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Speaker 1: get it. So it is a question, because your mental

887
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Speaker 1: stability is one of the most sacrisanct things that you possess, right,

888
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Speaker 1: and we have to be very protective of that. We

889
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Speaker 1: have to have these boundaries and things that make us

890
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Speaker 1: question those boundaries. They can be profound learning opportunities. They

891
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Speaker 1: can also be profoundly dangerous. I've experienced hallucinations before. You

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Speaker 1: would call them. I don't think the medical community likes

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Speaker 1: to call them visions. A lot of people throughout history

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Speaker 1: have had these feelings of divine intervention, and not folks

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Speaker 1: you might expect, not like the Joan of arcs of

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Speaker 1: the world, but people like Winston Churchill, who famously said

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Speaker 1: he survived a car accident because there is a quote

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Speaker 1: golden voice that speaks to him and tells him to

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Speaker 1: do certain things. And when he was getting into this vehicle,

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Speaker 1: this voice, I believe it was Churchill, this voice told

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Speaker 1: him to sit on a different side of the car.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And again, you know, maybe that's just the brain, which

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Speaker 1: is a magnificent machine, trying to make sense of things

905
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Speaker 1: that otherwise don't make sense. Maybe that's how we understand

906
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: these hints and these I don't know these inclinations, but

907
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Speaker 1: I think here we can open the door and ask

908
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: our fellow conspiracy realist, do you know anyone who feels

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00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: they have received vision, a premonition, right even up to

910
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Speaker 1: an including a divine visitation. Do you feel that you

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00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: yourself have experienced something like this. We would love to

912
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: hear your stories. We know this can be a very

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Speaker 1: personal topic to a lot of people, skeptics and died

914
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Speaker 1: in the Wold, believers in divine visitation alike. So join

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Speaker 1: us on the next journey. Big big thanks of course

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Speaker 1: to Alice. Congratulations to your son, Elice, Big big thanks

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Speaker 1: to the Funky House. And there's one guy, a man,

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Speaker 1: a legend that we have to end this show with.

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Speaker 1: That's right, folks, Big b.

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Speaker 2: The Big Bean.

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Speaker 3: It's the Big Bean. Guys, it's the Big Bean.

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Speaker 2: It's the big big Bean.

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