WEBVTT - #104 - Steve Moakler - Singer + Songwriter 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:03.640 Yeah, it's episode one oh four The Bobby Cast. We're 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.560 gonna jump in with Steve Mokeler in a second. As 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:09.119 I'm recording this intro part of it, I'm actually in 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:15.160 Los Angeles. It is eleven pm Central Time, what us tonight, 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:21.160 Wednesday night, Wednesday night, and I've been filming I mean 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:23.160 Reckon not all day and I half for a week. 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:24.960 And I'm about to fly back to Nashville. And that's 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:26.520 for a later one. But i just want you to 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:28.680 know where I am when I'm talking about this. Let 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:30.920 me encourage you to check out the Dave Heywood podcast 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.560 we just did from Lady and Abellum. Also Jimmy Allen, 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:35.519 who's got that song Best Shot New Artists that's up. 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:38.040 And if you're liking a podcast, tell your friends about 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:39.520 I love if you told your friends about The Bobby 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:42.120 Cast if they love music. Or check out Christian Bush 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:45.400 from sugar Land. He's got one called geeking Out, where 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:47.560 you talk to people about what they're super geeking out about. 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:49.839 It's pretty cool. I mean, you think Christian would do 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.080 you want about music, but he does a bit talk 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:53.840 about it. But it's really cool because it's just about 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.840 people who are super passionate about things. That being said, 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.360 we have a David Lee Murphy Bobby Cast coming up soon, 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.600 so Davidie Murphy has obviously might be a little dust 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.479 about voices, a little fried from working all that today, 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:09.440 but yeah, otherwise I would seeing that song perfectly. So 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.480 that's coming up. But let's get into Steve Mokler. He 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.520 wrote Riser for Dirk S Bentley. It's got a new 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.280 song out called Born Ready, and he's gonna talk about 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:20.080 how he drives around and plays shows for fans and 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.640 are basically a camper. So here we go, Episode one 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:26.680 oh four. Steve Mockler, the Bobby Cast. Thank you very much. 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.000 All right here with Steve Mokler, every buddy, what's up? Bobby. 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:33.119 Good to finally get you here. I know, man, thank 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.119 you so much for for inviting me, and I listened 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.040 to this podcast all the time, so it's very cool 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.880 and surreal to be in this chair. I'm in slippers, 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.320 as you noticed a second a. But as I said, 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:44.720 it's my house, so I could do whatever I want 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:46.480 if we're in my house. I've been slippers too, but 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.680 I had to tredge across town, so I needed something 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.320 a little more serious. Today. I had a pretty chill day, man. 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:53.960 I went to the y m c A this morning. 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.280 Gracey and I walked around the track a few times 0:01:56.400 --> 0:02:00.800 and made some breakfast and finished reading the book and 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:03.520 went for a walk, fielded some emails. It was pretty 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.640 low key. Did someone cancel it right or did you 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:08.880 just set today? No, No one canceled it right today. 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.240 I don't think a lot of times mondays or just today. 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.680 I have to to kind of just you know, gather ideas, 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.520 get inspired and set a vision for the week. So 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:22.120 it's funny. I know you mostly from Amy, my co host. 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:27.200 Amy and Gracey, your wife are really good friends, and say, man, 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.960 hang out Gracey all the time, she's we're jumping on 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.160 the trampoline. I was like, Graysie, who's that Guysie moggler? 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:37.200 That's she runted to Steve. Yeah, I had Steve's wife, 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:39.560 and so they became good friends. And I guess the 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:41.240 first time you and I ever spent any time any 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:45.399 time together was an Amy's house when her kids. We're back. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:47.680 Because we had met a couple of times. I think 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.519 we met in passing maybe a stage coach, that's real quick. 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.440 We talked to stage coach. That was a whole disaster 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.919 in itself. It's just so much. It's the stage coach 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.240 is just so big and so hot and dusty. But 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:01.440 then we were over to Amy's house the day her 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.600 kids came in from Haiti. Back. That was a That 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.200 was a rad day, man, that was a big celebration. 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.240 That was a lot, even thinking back to the day, 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.000 because I was on Hawaii and it was vacation for me. 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:18.519 During that mid December to January, we just on the 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:20.000 show We just go away, and I have a real 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.760 problem with going away, but I went to Hawaii because 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.000 it was disconnected, and I get there in the Amy 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:26.959 calls and goes, hey, I need just come back because 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.080 because we're gonna be here. So I'm I'm taking zig 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.079 zag flights trying to get back because I land. And 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:33.840 then a few hours later they land, and then we 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:35.320 go over to Amy's and have a party. And I 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.480 remember I looked at the staircase and you were sitting 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.280 with an acoustic guitar. I think you were learning Party 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.080 in the USA from Miley Yes, for the kids, for 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.400 the kids. I do love that song though. Yeah. I 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:48.200 remember looking up because Eric Passley was there and it 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.400 was just really close friends at Amy's house. It was 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.119 just people that in our personal life. It really wasn't 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.920 a work thing. But the cool thing is you become 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.800 friends with people that also do the same kind of 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:02.080 thing that you do. And so musically it was you 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.320 and I don't know who's getting work. I think Amy 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.720 signed Taylor Swift guitar. I think that's what you were playing. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.680 That is what it was. That's wow, You're right, because 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:14.360 I was I looked out, but I said, I know 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.880 that guitar. It was a Taylor Swift sign guitar. It 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:18.920 was you passed Lay and Walker Hayes and you're all 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.359 playing music. And Amy's kids were just stunned by what 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:26.840 was happening that night. I remember too, because I don't 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:28.320 know if you do therapy. I go to therapy, and 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.360 I was talking about therapist and he's like, hey, because 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:34.039 I have I get to social anxiety level, and so 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:35.560 I don't. I just don't do things social with people 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:39.640 I don't know. And sometimes I don't even do things 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.960 social because I know I'll get to this anxiety type place. 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:45.640 He said, hey, find somebody that you think would be cool. 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.280 And I've I haven't told you the story he said, 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.560 and say, hey, let's hang out. Because that had two weeks. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:53.760 I had no idea what I was gonna do, and 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:55.560 so he gave me this homework and we were naming 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.400 his house and saying, hey, Steve, what are you doing? Yeah? 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.080 You go no, because I was the only tip for 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.880 two days. Grace's gonna have this thing. We're going to that, 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:08.279 And that was my one attempt to make a friend 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:12.720 and tell dude, I didn't I couldn't tell the back 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:14.400 remember I remember I was. I was flatter when you 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.080 asked me to hang out. I didn't. I didn't know 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.280 the back story. I was like, hey, dude, I just 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:19.800 been passing. I just thought of it. You want to 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.280 go to garth. But really it was, oh man, I 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.360 think Steve's nice. I'll see if you wants to hang out. Due. Yeah, 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.880 I got rejected, like junior high. No, you didn't get rejected. 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.640 If you told me the whole story, we we'd be 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:31.920 we'd be singing friends in low places that Friday night. 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.520 But you picked your wife over me. I did, but 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:36.080 I didn't know what was at stake. I didn't know 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:37.720 I could have helped you out in that way. But 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.080 I live rain check rain check for sure. I got 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.360 a lot of music up here from you. I guess cool, 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.040 you know more than even just getting into the music. 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.600 Just I mean, I don't know much about you except 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:51.960 and I don't purposely do a whole lot of research 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:53.640 because I kind of like to pull things out of people. 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:58.600 Except I guess you're you're Steelers fan. Huh, yes, sir, 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.560 and your whole family Steve fans. My my mom's host 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:03.720 side of the family is So I grew up in 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.560 town called Bethel Park, just outside of Pittsburgh. So that's 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.680 my mom's family is all die hard Stealer fans. And so, 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.080 how did you get from Pittsburgh in Nashville? What made 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.400 you take that job? Um? Well, I made this little 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.280 c D when I was a senior in high school. 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.000 After playing in bands and stuff and through middle school. 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:21.800 In high school, I made my own project, like a 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:27.480 singer songwriter thing, and UM, I had this guy who 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.560 was at this little independent record label in Florida. Hear it, 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:35.000 and um ended up offering me this little little record deal, 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.040 and to me, it was little at all at the time. 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.239 So he flies me and my dad down to Florida 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:43.360 and and UH offers me this record deal, and I thought, 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:45.279 you know, I, man, this is all about to happen 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:49.360 right here, right now. UM ended up not taking the deal. 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.760 The deal. Um, I had this attorney that h was 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.120 like the only music business guy that I met through 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.280 a bunch of phone calls, and I trusted him. And 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.359 he revised the d for me and marked it up, like, 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.120 added a bunch of zeros on it, and sent it 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.520 back to the label guy. And and UM, the label 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.240 guy was like, you know, man, over insulted. We thought 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:12.200 we had a relationship. You can either work with with 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.080 us at the label or you can work with this attorney. 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.640 You're gonna have to choose. And it was a really 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.280 hard decision to make, you know, because I was eighteen 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.119 years old thinking everything was about to happen. But the 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.600 the attorney said, you know, uh, he said, this is 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:27.720 a long road and if you want to walk it, 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.160 I'll help you do that, but I'd advise you not 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:31.840 to get in bed with the first person who wants 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.480 to sleep with you. That's how we said it. And UM, 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:36.840 I just said, so I decided to turn down the deal, 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.080 and but I knew I wanted to keep pursuing music 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:42.520 and as my you know, as my main focus, and um, 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.640 I was typing in my mom really wanted to go 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:48.480 to college. So I was typing in music business stuff, 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:53.200 you know, college stuff on Google and found Belmont and 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.240 ended up applying there. And it was actually the only 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.240 school I got into that I applied to. UM, and 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.840 that's just by the grace of God, because really there's 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.080 you know, schools that weren't as difficult to get into 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.280 that rejected my application. But I got into Belmont, and 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:10.480 uh I went there for two years. So that was 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:12.960 kind of my segue into Nashville. What do you want 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.960 to do a belt business? I studied music business for 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.400 for three semesters and then I switched to English for 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:23.880 my last semester. So you didn't study music. I didn't. 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:27.080 I didn't. I thought about I thought hard about that decision. 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.520 I kind of talked to different you know people at 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.680 the school and the film before I decided what to 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.440 apply for. And um, you know, I just I just 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.040 really felt I knew I wanted to be a songwriter. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:42.600 And I've never considered myself a great guitar player or singer. Um, 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.200 I just I knew I wanted to to be in 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.280 the scene and write songs. And you know, I don't know, 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.360 I just id I did. I When I thought about 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.480 the avenues of studying the instrument or my voice, that 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.800 just didn't really excite me. So I studied music business 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:56.760 just to kind of get an overview of what it 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:58.320 was like. So what was the goal? Was it to 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.200 be an artist or just to move down to be 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.200 a song It was to be an artist. But I 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.760 really didn't know. I didn't have any you know, it's 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.240 not until you get to Nashville you really realize all 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.920 the different types of artists and paths you can take. 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.560 But I just knew I wanted to to to have 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.200 a career making my own music, you know, whatever that 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:17.640 looked like. And that was really as far as I 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.880 thought about it. So you moved to Nashville. You didn't 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:22.960 say you went four years? So you dropped out a college. 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:26.920 I dropped out to actually pursue your craft. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.200 before I went my mom. My mom was real relieved 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.440 I went decided to go to school, and she said, hey, 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.640 if you I just want you to go to school 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:36.560 for two years, you know, I want you to know 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.040 what that experiences. She'd always say, have two years of 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:42.000 college under your belt, and just so I wasn't. I 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.400 didn't go there and count down. You know, I was like, 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:45.800 I can't wait two years, I'm out of here. But 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.880 you know, I just after two years, I um, you know, 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:54.800 the classes were about to start getting harder. You know. Yeah. 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:56.920 I was like, if I if I switched to English, 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.440 I gotta take Spanish again, or if I go business, 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.000 I gotta take accounting. And all the while, man, I 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.680 was just getting really I just knew what I wanted 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:06.480 to do, and I was just I couldn't sit in 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.520 those classes any longer, and I wanted to get out 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.800 and play. What would you tell a kid now that's 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.360 finishing high school and they know they're going to do music, 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:19.240 man um if they know it, man, I think I think, 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.400 I personally think going to Belmont was great for me 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:25.920 because it was a natural segue into this music community. 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.720 Whereas so when I was at school, I was making 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.480 friends just the way you would at any other college. 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:35.200 But they were really talented, and they were they were driven, 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.240 and they were they were doing the same thing I did. 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.320 Or or years later. Uh, you know, my friends from 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.280 Belmont now are people that are running publishing companies, are 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.920 playing you know, band leaders and with big artists and 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.040 writing hit songs. So but you know, I didn't have 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:55.240 to do the whole networking. You know, check this out. 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:57.000 It was kind of raised in the network and I 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.240 didn't That was not intentional, but it was definitely a gift. 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.680 And I really, I really have a I really admire 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.040 guys that come here a little later, you know, when 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:09.080 there twenty six after college and and they have to 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.640 do that game. It's it seems tough, but I felt, 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.640 I felt, not that I have any means, had an 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:15.880 easy road, but that was one not school that I 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:17.960 didn't have to get over. Who were people in your 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.120 class meeting around the same time you're talking about just 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:25.080 creating friendships. Yeah, there's this guy, Jeb Holmes is one 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.400 of my one of my best friends, and he played 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:31.480 guitar for Josh Turner and the band Perry Um. My 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.679 ex girlfriend Parker Welling is a great songwriter. She had 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.560 the number one song last week with Russell Dickerson. Yours. 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:39.840 Casey Brown was also with that song. He was my 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:43.880 sweet mate um for to Georgia Line was there at 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.880 the same time. I wasn't tight with those guys um 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.000 while we were there, but um, we definitely crossed pass 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.600 a lot. And because I wasn't here, Yeah, that whole 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.960 thing blew up. It was pre me. Yeah. So by 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:00.240 the time I got to Nashville, they were already a thing. Yeah, 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:04.040 so I I missed the Independent. They signed with the label. 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.880 They had a song that was blowing up into Were 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.120 they already a thing in college a bit? They weren't 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.720 even a band. They weren't even they were just friends, 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.840 you know. I I I think Brian was. I think 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:18.800 I think all I knew that they played at a 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:23.559 church and we're worship leaders. And uh, I remember I 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.880 was playing at this hotel Indigo. There's a hotel down 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.040 on West End. They used to have writers rounds there 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.320 and I would play there. And I remember seeing Casey 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.760 Musgraves come in there when she first got to town. 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:35.600 And usually, you know, I played there on a lot 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.120 of Wednesday nights for about twelve people, And I remember 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.520 seeing Brian and Tyler get up and performed together to 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:43.920 saying a song called black Tears that Jason al Dean 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.200 went on to cut. But I mean, no, they don't 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:48.920 even know if they were called for to Georgia Line 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.360 at that point, but it just they blew up. Man, 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.120 it was crazy to see see I didn't see it. 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.679 I wish I would have seen it. You know, it 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.600 was part of the Sam blow up. Okay, Yeah, that 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.760 to you was you know, poof was big. I didn't 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.040 see the floor of Georgia line blow up. Yeah it was. 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.080 It was the really first time i'd ever you know, 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.760 watch somebody go for Man, you were at my school, 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.559 you were at this bar playing for twelve people like me, 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.360 and now you're you know, you're head, You're on the 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.520 c m A Awards and just this you have the 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:24.080 biggest country selling country song of all times. Nuts. Doesn't 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.520 it show you, though, that if you have the right 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.400 whatever it is, things can change, just like that on 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.840 a dime, for anybody at any time in the creative space. 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.719 It just takes the one whatever it is. Is it 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.320 the right promotional vehicle? Is that the right song? Is 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:45.559 that the right uh do at partner? Yeah? Because I've 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.680 seen it happen seven or eight times. The chemicals just 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:53.000 magically come together at the right time or and then boom. 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:57.840 And it also inspires you to continue moving forward because 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.760 at any time. It could happen for anybody. That's right. 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:02.840 And that's how I feel watching a lot. And and 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.360 I have been the benefit. Fishery a part of that 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.520 as well, because I moved here and it was the 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.720 right time the you know, the form. I had gotten 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.480 older and a bit out of touch in the radio part, 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:13.880 and they're bringing me and I was like a bull 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.640 in the china shop and I was too aggressive, but 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:18.360 it was a perfect time for me to commend it. 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.680 So I benefited too from that. But even with listen 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.680 to your music, it's just like I keep your songs 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:26.720 are so good. I just keep wondering, when's that one 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.200 going to be? Don't you wonder that like a little bit? 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.360 Is it like which one is finally going to be 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.720 the one? I I do sometimes, man, you know, I 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:37.080 think I think for me, you know, my careers just 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.320 has been kind of a steady, slow climb, whereas I 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.720 screwed that. Man, let's go, let's get big. 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This 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:53.040 one who came out and the the night it came out. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:16:09.680 But thank you and the Father the Fastest spend Now 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:16.600 I'm just going to remember it here. Yeah, that was 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:20.080 Caitlin Smith and Gordy Sampson and Caitlyn singing on it too. 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:26.720 I remember and I love that song. She is awesome man. 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:30.080 Kitl was one of the first ones we ever did this, right, Mike, Really, 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.480 We used to do this in my condo downtown and 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.800 we just that's the reason our studios are crappy up here, 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:37.520 because it's not a real studio. We just did a 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.400 bunchet equipment together and said, hey, we're gonna do a podcast, 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.080 and so some of the Caitlin Smith and Ryan heard 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.360 like two years ago. Yeah, like hey, just come over 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.000 to call the house and we started doing this and 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.960 here we are over a hundred hundred hours later. But 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:56.280 I love Wills that suitcase. Is that commercially your most 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:06.360 successful song that you've put out? It is? Yeah, they 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:17.240 were great many this it's fun in a bunch. So 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.720 when you do something like this case, are are labels 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:25.960 calling you? Because there's a buzz. There's a constant buzz 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:29.600 about you. But it's almost like if you're not super 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.919 shiny or not shiny at all, because if you're in 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:38.040 that middle, no, it's a weird place to be. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:40.679 you know, it's it's hard to have that outside or 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.359 impossible maybe to have that outside perspective on on where 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:45.680 I am in that I can give it to you you 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:47.080 if you want it. You want you want the outside, 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.439 you got it. Yeah, I have the because I'm not 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.000 I don't do the game. I don't. I don't hang 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.200 with industry people for this exact reason, so I can 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:59.520 have outside perspective. So this is the Steve Mokler thing. 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.800 Super good, super consistent, great songwriter, just waiting on that 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.480 whatever it is. Everybody keeps waiting on it because everybody 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:11.000 knows you're that good, thanks man. And so it's everybody 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:14.320 just kind of waits. And the thing is, you're not sixteen, 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.960 but you're not too old either, and you're good lucking enough. 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:21.879 So I don't I don't know. I don't know what 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:25.439 everybody's waiting on. I don't know what's it. It's not 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.040 that like you have a new style that you've reinvented. 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:34.040 You're just consistently nailing them with triples, thanks man. That's 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:36.800 that's a compliment. Dude, that that's a that's a great compliment, 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.800 and that's that's that's a huge coliment consistently hitting triples 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.240 and eventually those things start to go over the wall. 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.760 After you hit enough triples. Trust me, aplay high school baseball. 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:48.399 I'm super b adlet. Yeah, eventually you start to hit 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:50.800 home runs and you hit you know, a riser for 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:52.719 with you know, for Dirk. Yeah, do you ever think 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.960 about keeping this one? Oh man? At the I recorded 0:18:56.000 --> 0:19:01.040 as well? Um, Travis meadows right, Yeah, yeah, you know 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.080 this was a this song was a huge gift man 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:06.240 and I I never thought the song would have the 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.840 life it did with Dirk's um. So you I know 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:12.399 Travis reporter it too. Yeah. Actually I don't think Travis 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:16.440 released a version of it. I have he recorded the 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.440 demo that I think is the demo that Dirk's uh 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.200 listened to and it was inspired and recorded. But is 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:23.919 that what we had, Mike? Do we just have it? 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:25.399 And that's why I know it if I'm singing it 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.800 and and I get the geek out on stuff and 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.919 keep stuff. So you recorded the song? I did, and 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:34.800 what did you do it? But I put it on 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.199 this record called Wide Open. It was my third record, 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.480 and I recorded it with this guy named Mike Rucky 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:42.320 and uh yeah, and it came out. It wasn't you know, 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:44.360 a single at that time. My whole team, I don't 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:45.960 even think I had a booking agent yet. It was 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:48.320