1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's episode one oh four The Bobby Cast. We're 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: gonna jump in with Steve Mokeler in a second. As 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: I'm recording this intro part of it, I'm actually in 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. It is eleven pm Central Time, what us tonight, 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: Wednesday night, Wednesday night, and I've been filming I mean 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: Reckon not all day and I half for a week. 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: And I'm about to fly back to Nashville. And that's 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: for a later one. But i just want you to 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: know where I am when I'm talking about this. Let 10 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: me encourage you to check out the Dave Heywood podcast 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: we just did from Lady and Abellum. Also Jimmy Allen, 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: who's got that song Best Shot New Artists that's up. 13 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: And if you're liking a podcast, tell your friends about 14 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: I love if you told your friends about The Bobby 15 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: Cast if they love music. Or check out Christian Bush 16 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: from sugar Land. He's got one called geeking Out, where 17 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: you talk to people about what they're super geeking out about. 18 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. I mean, you think Christian would do 19 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: you want about music, but he does a bit talk 20 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: about it. But it's really cool because it's just about 21 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: people who are super passionate about things. That being said, 22 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: we have a David Lee Murphy Bobby Cast coming up soon, 23 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: so Davidie Murphy has obviously might be a little dust 24 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: about voices, a little fried from working all that today, 25 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: but yeah, otherwise I would seeing that song perfectly. So 26 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: that's coming up. But let's get into Steve Mokler. He 27 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: wrote Riser for Dirk S Bentley. It's got a new 28 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: song out called Born Ready, and he's gonna talk about 29 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: how he drives around and plays shows for fans and 30 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: are basically a camper. So here we go, Episode one 31 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: oh four. Steve Mockler, the Bobby Cast. Thank you very much. 32 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: All right here with Steve Mokler, every buddy, what's up? Bobby. 33 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: Good to finally get you here. I know, man, thank 34 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: you so much for for inviting me, and I listened 35 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: to this podcast all the time, so it's very cool 36 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: and surreal to be in this chair. I'm in slippers, 37 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: as you noticed a second a. But as I said, 38 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: it's my house, so I could do whatever I want 39 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: if we're in my house. I've been slippers too, but 40 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: I had to tredge across town, so I needed something 41 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: a little more serious. Today. I had a pretty chill day, man. 42 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: I went to the y m c A this morning. 43 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: Gracey and I walked around the track a few times 44 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: and made some breakfast and finished reading the book and 45 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: went for a walk, fielded some emails. It was pretty 46 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: low key. Did someone cancel it right or did you 47 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: just set today? No, No one canceled it right today. 48 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of times mondays or just today. 49 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: I have to to kind of just you know, gather ideas, 50 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: get inspired and set a vision for the week. So 51 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: it's funny. I know you mostly from Amy, my co host. 52 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: Amy and Gracey, your wife are really good friends, and say, man, 53 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: hang out Gracey all the time, she's we're jumping on 54 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: the trampoline. I was like, Graysie, who's that Guysie moggler? 55 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: That's she runted to Steve. Yeah, I had Steve's wife, 56 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: and so they became good friends. And I guess the 57 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: first time you and I ever spent any time any 58 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 1: time together was an Amy's house when her kids. We're back. 59 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: Because we had met a couple of times. I think 60 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: we met in passing maybe a stage coach, that's real quick. 61 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: We talked to stage coach. That was a whole disaster 62 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: in itself. It's just so much. It's the stage coach 63 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: is just so big and so hot and dusty. But 64 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: then we were over to Amy's house the day her 65 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: kids came in from Haiti. Back. That was a That 66 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: was a rad day, man, that was a big celebration. 67 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: That was a lot, even thinking back to the day, 68 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: because I was on Hawaii and it was vacation for me. 69 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: During that mid December to January, we just on the 70 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: show We just go away, and I have a real 71 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: problem with going away, but I went to Hawaii because 72 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: it was disconnected, and I get there in the Amy 73 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 1: calls and goes, hey, I need just come back because 74 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: because we're gonna be here. So I'm I'm taking zig 75 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: zag flights trying to get back because I land. And 76 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: then a few hours later they land, and then we 77 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: go over to Amy's and have a party. And I 78 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: remember I looked at the staircase and you were sitting 79 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: with an acoustic guitar. I think you were learning Party 80 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: in the USA from Miley Yes, for the kids, for 81 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: the kids. I do love that song though. Yeah. I 82 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: remember looking up because Eric Passley was there and it 83 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: was just really close friends at Amy's house. It was 84 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 1: just people that in our personal life. It really wasn't 85 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: a work thing. But the cool thing is you become 86 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: friends with people that also do the same kind of 87 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: thing that you do. And so musically it was you 88 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: and I don't know who's getting work. I think Amy 89 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: signed Taylor Swift guitar. I think that's what you were playing. 90 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: That is what it was. That's wow, You're right, because 91 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: I was I looked out, but I said, I know 92 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: that guitar. It was a Taylor Swift sign guitar. It 93 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: was you passed Lay and Walker Hayes and you're all 94 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 1: playing music. And Amy's kids were just stunned by what 95 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: was happening that night. I remember too, because I don't 96 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: know if you do therapy. I go to therapy, and 97 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: I was talking about therapist and he's like, hey, because 98 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: I have I get to social anxiety level, and so 99 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: I don't. I just don't do things social with people 100 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. And sometimes I don't even do things 101 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: social because I know I'll get to this anxiety type place. 102 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: He said, hey, find somebody that you think would be cool. 103 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: And I've I haven't told you the story he said, 104 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: and say, hey, let's hang out. Because that had two weeks. 105 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: I had no idea what I was gonna do, and 106 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: so he gave me this homework and we were naming 107 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: his house and saying, hey, Steve, what are you doing? Yeah? 108 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: You go no, because I was the only tip for 109 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: two days. Grace's gonna have this thing. We're going to that, 110 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: And that was my one attempt to make a friend 111 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: and tell dude, I didn't I couldn't tell the back 112 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: remember I remember I was. I was flatter when you 113 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: asked me to hang out. I didn't. I didn't know 114 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: the back story. I was like, hey, dude, I just 115 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: been passing. I just thought of it. You want to 116 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: go to garth. But really it was, oh man, I 117 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: think Steve's nice. I'll see if you wants to hang out. Due. Yeah, 118 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: I got rejected, like junior high. No, you didn't get rejected. 119 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: If you told me the whole story, we we'd be 120 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: we'd be singing friends in low places that Friday night. 121 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: But you picked your wife over me. I did, but 122 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: I didn't know what was at stake. I didn't know 123 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: I could have helped you out in that way. But 124 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: I live rain check rain check for sure. I got 125 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: a lot of music up here from you. I guess cool, 126 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: you know more than even just getting into the music. 127 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: Just I mean, I don't know much about you except 128 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: and I don't purposely do a whole lot of research 129 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: because I kind of like to pull things out of people. 130 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: Except I guess you're you're Steelers fan. Huh, yes, sir, 131 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: and your whole family Steve fans. My my mom's host 132 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: side of the family is So I grew up in 133 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: town called Bethel Park, just outside of Pittsburgh. So that's 134 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: my mom's family is all die hard Stealer fans. And so, 135 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: how did you get from Pittsburgh in Nashville? What made 136 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: you take that job? Um? Well, I made this little 137 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: c D when I was a senior in high school. 138 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: After playing in bands and stuff and through middle school. 139 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: In high school, I made my own project, like a 140 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: singer songwriter thing, and UM, I had this guy who 141 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: was at this little independent record label in Florida. Hear it, 142 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: and um ended up offering me this little little record deal, 143 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: and to me, it was little at all at the time. 144 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,239 Speaker 1: So he flies me and my dad down to Florida 145 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: and and UH offers me this record deal, and I thought, 146 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: you know, I, man, this is all about to happen 147 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: right here, right now. UM ended up not taking the deal. 148 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: The deal. Um, I had this attorney that h was 149 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: like the only music business guy that I met through 150 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of phone calls, and I trusted him. And 151 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: he revised the d for me and marked it up, like, 152 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: added a bunch of zeros on it, and sent it 153 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: back to the label guy. And and UM, the label 154 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: guy was like, you know, man, over insulted. We thought 155 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: we had a relationship. You can either work with with 156 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: us at the label or you can work with this attorney. 157 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to choose. And it was a really 158 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: hard decision to make, you know, because I was eighteen 159 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,119 Speaker 1: years old thinking everything was about to happen. But the 160 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: the attorney said, you know, uh, he said, this is 161 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: a long road and if you want to walk it, 162 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: I'll help you do that, but I'd advise you not 163 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: to get in bed with the first person who wants 164 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: to sleep with you. That's how we said it. And UM, 165 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: I just said, so I decided to turn down the deal, 166 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: and but I knew I wanted to keep pursuing music 167 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: and as my you know, as my main focus, and um, 168 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: I was typing in my mom really wanted to go 169 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: to college. So I was typing in music business stuff, 170 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, college stuff on Google and found Belmont and 171 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: ended up applying there. And it was actually the only 172 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: school I got into that I applied to. UM, and 173 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: that's just by the grace of God, because really there's 174 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, schools that weren't as difficult to get into 175 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: that rejected my application. But I got into Belmont, and 176 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: uh I went there for two years. So that was 177 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: kind of my segue into Nashville. What do you want 178 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: to do a belt business? I studied music business for 179 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: for three semesters and then I switched to English for 180 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: my last semester. So you didn't study music. I didn't. 181 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: I didn't. I thought about I thought hard about that decision. 182 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: I kind of talked to different you know people at 183 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: the school and the film before I decided what to 184 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: apply for. And um, you know, I just I just 185 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: really felt I knew I wanted to be a songwriter. 186 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: And I've never considered myself a great guitar player or singer. Um, 187 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: I just I knew I wanted to to be in 188 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: the scene and write songs. And you know, I don't know, 189 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: I just id I did. I When I thought about 190 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: the avenues of studying the instrument or my voice, that 191 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: just didn't really excite me. So I studied music business 192 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: just to kind of get an overview of what it 193 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: was like. So what was the goal? Was it to 194 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: be an artist or just to move down to be 195 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: a song It was to be an artist. But I 196 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: really didn't know. I didn't have any you know, it's 197 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: not until you get to Nashville you really realize all 198 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: the different types of artists and paths you can take. 199 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: But I just knew I wanted to to to have 200 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: a career making my own music, you know, whatever that 201 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: looked like. And that was really as far as I 202 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: thought about it. So you moved to Nashville. You didn't 203 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: say you went four years? So you dropped out a college. 204 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: I dropped out to actually pursue your craft. Yeah, yeah, 205 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: before I went my mom. My mom was real relieved 206 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: I went decided to go to school, and she said, hey, 207 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: if you I just want you to go to school 208 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: for two years, you know, I want you to know 209 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: what that experiences. She'd always say, have two years of 210 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: college under your belt, and just so I wasn't. I 211 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: didn't go there and count down. You know, I was like, 212 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: I can't wait two years, I'm out of here. But 213 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, I just after two years, I um, you know, 214 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: the classes were about to start getting harder. You know. Yeah. 215 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: I was like, if I if I switched to English, 216 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: I gotta take Spanish again, or if I go business, 217 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: I gotta take accounting. And all the while, man, I 218 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: was just getting really I just knew what I wanted 219 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: to do, and I was just I couldn't sit in 220 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: those classes any longer, and I wanted to get out 221 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: and play. What would you tell a kid now that's 222 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: finishing high school and they know they're going to do music, 223 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: man um if they know it, man, I think I think, 224 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: I personally think going to Belmont was great for me 225 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: because it was a natural segue into this music community. 226 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: Whereas so when I was at school, I was making 227 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: friends just the way you would at any other college. 228 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: But they were really talented, and they were they were driven, 229 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: and they were they were doing the same thing I did. 230 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: Or or years later. Uh, you know, my friends from 231 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: Belmont now are people that are running publishing companies, are 232 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: playing you know, band leaders and with big artists and 233 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: writing hit songs. So but you know, I didn't have 234 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: to do the whole networking. You know, check this out. 235 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: It was kind of raised in the network and I 236 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: didn't That was not intentional, but it was definitely a gift. 237 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: And I really, I really have a I really admire 238 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: guys that come here a little later, you know, when 239 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: there twenty six after college and and they have to 240 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: do that game. It's it seems tough, but I felt, 241 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: I felt, not that I have any means, had an 242 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: easy road, but that was one not school that I 243 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: didn't have to get over. Who were people in your 244 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: class meeting around the same time you're talking about just 245 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: creating friendships. Yeah, there's this guy, Jeb Holmes is one 246 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: of my one of my best friends, and he played 247 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: guitar for Josh Turner and the band Perry Um. My 248 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: ex girlfriend Parker Welling is a great songwriter. She had 249 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: the number one song last week with Russell Dickerson. Yours. 250 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: Casey Brown was also with that song. He was my 251 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: sweet mate um for to Georgia Line was there at 252 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: the same time. I wasn't tight with those guys um 253 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: while we were there, but um, we definitely crossed pass 254 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: a lot. And because I wasn't here, Yeah, that whole 255 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: thing blew up. It was pre me. Yeah. So by 256 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: the time I got to Nashville, they were already a thing. Yeah, 257 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: so I I missed the Independent. They signed with the label. 258 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: They had a song that was blowing up into Were 259 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: they already a thing in college a bit? They weren't 260 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: even a band. They weren't even they were just friends, 261 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: you know. I I I think Brian was. I think 262 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: I think all I knew that they played at a 263 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: church and we're worship leaders. And uh, I remember I 264 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: was playing at this hotel Indigo. There's a hotel down 265 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: on West End. They used to have writers rounds there 266 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: and I would play there. And I remember seeing Casey 267 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: Musgraves come in there when she first got to town. 268 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: And usually, you know, I played there on a lot 269 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: of Wednesday nights for about twelve people, And I remember 270 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: seeing Brian and Tyler get up and performed together to 271 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: saying a song called black Tears that Jason al Dean 272 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: went on to cut. But I mean, no, they don't 273 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: even know if they were called for to Georgia Line 274 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: at that point, but it just they blew up. Man, 275 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: it was crazy to see see I didn't see it. 276 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: I wish I would have seen it. You know, it 277 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: was part of the Sam blow up. Okay, Yeah, that 278 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: to you was you know, poof was big. I didn't 279 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: see the floor of Georgia line blow up. Yeah it was. 280 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: It was the really first time i'd ever you know, 281 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: watch somebody go for Man, you were at my school, 282 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: you were at this bar playing for twelve people like me, 283 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: and now you're you know, you're head, You're on the 284 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: c m A Awards and just this you have the 285 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: biggest country selling country song of all times. Nuts. Doesn't 286 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: it show you, though, that if you have the right 287 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: whatever it is, things can change, just like that on 288 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: a dime, for anybody at any time in the creative space. 289 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 1: It just takes the one whatever it is. Is it 290 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: the right promotional vehicle? Is that the right song? Is 291 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: that the right uh do at partner? Yeah? Because I've 292 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: seen it happen seven or eight times. The chemicals just 293 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: magically come together at the right time or and then boom. 294 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: And it also inspires you to continue moving forward because 295 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: at any time. It could happen for anybody. That's right. 296 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: And that's how I feel watching a lot. And and 297 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: I have been the benefit. Fishery a part of that 298 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: as well, because I moved here and it was the 299 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: right time the you know, the form. I had gotten 300 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: older and a bit out of touch in the radio part, 301 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: and they're bringing me and I was like a bull 302 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: in the china shop and I was too aggressive, but 303 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: it was a perfect time for me to commend it. 304 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: So I benefited too from that. But even with listen 305 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: to your music, it's just like I keep your songs 306 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: are so good. I just keep wondering, when's that one 307 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: going to be? Don't you wonder that like a little bit? 308 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: Is it like which one is finally going to be 309 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: the one? I I do sometimes, man, you know, I 310 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: think I think for me, you know, my careers just 311 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: has been kind of a steady, slow climb, whereas I 312 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: screwed that. Man, let's go, let's get big. Let me 313 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: talk about this for a second. Okay, So when you 314 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: thought cyber criminals couldn't stoop any lower, you're wrong. They're 315 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: stealing and selling social security numbers of infants. 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She is awesome man. 341 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: Kitl was one of the first ones we ever did this, right, Mike, Really, 342 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: We used to do this in my condo downtown and 343 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: we just that's the reason our studios are crappy up here, 344 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: because it's not a real studio. We just did a 345 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: bunchet equipment together and said, hey, we're gonna do a podcast, 346 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: and so some of the Caitlin Smith and Ryan heard 347 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: like two years ago. Yeah, like hey, just come over 348 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: to call the house and we started doing this and 349 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: here we are over a hundred hundred hours later. But 350 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: I love Wills that suitcase. Is that commercially your most 351 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: successful song that you've put out? It is? Yeah, they 352 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: were great many this it's fun in a bunch. So 353 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: when you do something like this case, are are labels 354 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: calling you? Because there's a buzz. There's a constant buzz 355 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: about you. But it's almost like if you're not super 356 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: shiny or not shiny at all, because if you're in 357 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: that middle, no, it's a weird place to be. Yeah, yeah, 358 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's hard to have that outside or 359 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: impossible maybe to have that outside perspective on on where 360 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: I am in that I can give it to you you 361 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: if you want it. You want you want the outside, 362 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: you got it. Yeah, I have the because I'm not 363 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: I don't do the game. I don't. I don't hang 364 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: with industry people for this exact reason, so I can 365 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: have outside perspective. So this is the Steve Mokler thing. 366 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: Super good, super consistent, great songwriter, just waiting on that 367 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: whatever it is. Everybody keeps waiting on it because everybody 368 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: knows you're that good, thanks man. And so it's everybody 369 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: just kind of waits. And the thing is, you're not sixteen, 370 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: but you're not too old either, and you're good lucking enough. 371 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know. I don't know what 372 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: everybody's waiting on. I don't know what's it. It's not 373 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: that like you have a new style that you've reinvented. 374 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: You're just consistently nailing them with triples, thanks man. That's 375 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: that's a compliment. Dude, that that's a that's a great compliment, 376 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: and that's that's that's a huge coliment consistently hitting triples 377 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: and eventually those things start to go over the wall. 378 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: After you hit enough triples. Trust me, aplay high school baseball. 379 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: I'm super b adlet. Yeah, eventually you start to hit 380 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: home runs and you hit you know, a riser for 381 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,719 Speaker 1: with you know, for Dirk. Yeah, do you ever think 382 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: about keeping this one? Oh man? At the I recorded 383 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: as well? Um, Travis meadows right, Yeah, yeah, you know 384 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: this was a this song was a huge gift man 385 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: and I I never thought the song would have the 386 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: life it did with Dirk's um. So you I know 387 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: Travis reporter it too. Yeah. Actually I don't think Travis 388 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: released a version of it. I have he recorded the 389 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: demo that I think is the demo that Dirk's uh 390 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: listened to and it was inspired and recorded. But is 391 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: that what we had, Mike? Do we just have it? 392 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: And that's why I know it if I'm singing it 393 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: and and I get the geek out on stuff and 394 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: keep stuff. So you recorded the song? I did, and 395 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: what did you do it? But I put it on 396 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: this record called Wide Open. It was my third record, 397 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: and I recorded it with this guy named Mike Rucky 398 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, and it came out. It wasn't you know, 399 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: a single at that time. My whole team, I don't 400 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: even think I had a booking agent yet. It was 401 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: just me and my buddy, Tim was my manager. So 402 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: uh we we you know, as far as what we 403 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: did with it, we put it on a record and 404 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: we went out and toward it. There was no nothing 405 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: else really behind it but Dirk's. You know, Dirk's really 406 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: gave that song a big life and um and and 407 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: now when we go out and play it, it's cool 408 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: because people a lot more people know it than from 409 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: my version, for sure. So you wrote it, you cut it, 410 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: you put it out. From when it comes out for 411 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: consumption to when Dirks puts it out, what's that time? 412 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: So Dirk's put it out first, so we actually, um man, 413 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: it's hard to remember now, I don't know I remember 414 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: if it was part of the agreement or what, but 415 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: we definitely said, you know, he wanted to put the 416 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: song out first and his team didn't, and we said, 417 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: heck yeah, so my record came out. We didn't wait 418 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: to put my record out. But just happened to come 419 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: out after his. So then let me go back to 420 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: my original question, why, when you finished writing it, would 421 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: you go, hey, let's go ahead and pitch this song. Well, 422 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: at that point, I was I was really going through 423 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: a thing where I just I did. I wasn't sure 424 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: what my aspirations were as an artist. I was really 425 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: I was kind of a little bit tired, um from 426 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: my first two records and really trying to figure out 427 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: what box I fit in and um or at least 428 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: tired of feeling that was something I had to do. 429 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: And I just said, you know what, I'm just gonna 430 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna write songs, fall back in love with 431 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: writing songs, and and and that was actually when I 432 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: got married, and I actually, you know, I just kind 433 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: of hunkered down here in town and and and just 434 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: worked on my songwriting and um and that was when 435 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: I recorded that song. So at the time, I wasn't 436 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: really going, hey, let's I want to be a big star, 437 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: I want to have this on the radio. I was 438 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: just I was writing from a different placed. Was gonna 439 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: put that as a single when he took it? No, No, 440 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: I had no idea. Uh, I was just I was 441 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: psyched when it actually just made it on the record, 442 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: because I've had a couple of songs say they're gonna 443 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: be on the record and they don't. So when I 444 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: heard it was for sure on there, I was excited. 445 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: And then I'll never forget the morning. Uh, I woke 446 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: up and opened my email and and or I don't 447 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: know if it was an email or Twitter, and I 448 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: saw Dirk's released this whole riser campaign to announce his record, 449 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: and I was just oh, man, I was just it 450 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: was in the video was so inspiring, and uh it was. 451 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: It was amazing for only Yeah, and that's a great 452 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: When they announced the record and it's the name of 453 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,479 Speaker 1: your song, you pretty much know it that it's going 454 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: to be a single. Rarely and it happens occasionally, it 455 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: does ye know that's happened where they name it after 456 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: a tract that doesn't come out. But most of the 457 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: time that ends up being a song like a radio song. Yeah, 458 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: so you got it, that's true. But I wouldn't let 459 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: my song. I've got so many self defense mechanism built 460 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: at this point, I wouldn't let myself go there. But 461 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: I was when it finally did, I was really excited, 462 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: your wife really excited. We both were went to remember 463 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: going to see Dirk's and going to see him in 464 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: Birmingham on the Riser tour. And actually sorry the tour 465 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: is named after the Yeah, dude, actually know it was 466 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: l A. We saw him in l A. First we 467 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: said we saw a couple of shows on that tour. Um. 468 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: But uh yeah about the Risor t shirt, man, I 469 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: was I was psucked. Didn't even get a free one. 470 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,239 Speaker 1: I didn't ask. I probably could have my way. He 471 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: didn't know, he didn't know. Let's see Steve Mochlan. What 472 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: else do Yeah, I like your sound. I'm a little 473 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: partial because I to bring in anybody I want. So 474 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,479 Speaker 1: I'm a fan of your sound. You're the singer songwriter artist. 475 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: That's what I like. Cool. Thanks, man. So when I 476 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: hear like here, let's talk about ballad. Oh I love it. 477 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: Let's fresh off the skiel and I'm totally into telling 478 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: about this one. This song has a very unique backstory. Um. 479 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: So there's a song on my last record called Siddle 480 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: Saloon that's it's about a bar and my grandfather's basement. 481 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: And in the second verse, I say, there's a line 482 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: that says Grandpa and his brothers back when they were young, 483 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: come down here once they and loaded those trucks. So 484 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: one of my one of my agents at CIA, had 485 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: to had been talking to Mac Trucks at the time 486 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: and they were looking for somebody to write a song 487 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: for them. So mag and I just played my record 488 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: for CIA and told them about the you know story 489 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: about that song long and how my grandfather was a 490 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: mechanic and had a fleet of concrete hauling trucks and 491 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: so being now is from Pennsylvania. And with that stat alone, 492 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: they said, hey, maybe this guy can write your song. 493 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: So the Mack Truck's team came to my Steel Town 494 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: album release party and just got to know me, and 495 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: we really hit it off and and they ended up 496 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: asking me to write this song. And so I had 497 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of phone calls with them trying to write 498 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: them the song. And as they unwrote, they were rolling 499 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: out a new truck called the Anthem, and uh, you know, 500 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: I just said, hey, cool, I would love that. Be awesome. Uh. 501 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: And I end up writing the song and just loving 502 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: it that. They paid me well more than that for 503 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: any other song I've written any of the corporate stuff. 504 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: That I do. It's just money. It's awesome money because 505 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: they have so much of it. They don't even comprehend 506 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: what a normal human once and we'll get and they 507 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: just they just throw it at you. It's amazing. It was. 508 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: It was cool and as cool as the money was, 509 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: it was really cool to actually love the song for 510 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: me to eat first before he loves on. You gotta 511 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: eat real food and you gotta pick. But when you 512 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: can do both, you know, that's that's the sweet spot. 513 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: I agree, you got to eat first. You do gotta eat. 514 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: So when you moved to town, how did you make 515 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: money for the first couple of years, Well, the first 516 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: couple of years I was here, out of college, out 517 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: of coms. Okay, you just grind on the road, man. 518 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: I didn't have enough gigs to do that. I I 519 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: had a couple of jobs I worked. I I bought 520 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: headlights off of busted cars and resold them to uh 521 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: my ex girlfriend's stepdad's auto company. So the cars were busted. 522 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: Not the headline, the direct cars headline for so Good. Yes, 523 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: And actually at that time I lived in When I 524 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: was driving over here, I was back in my oldhood. 525 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: I lived on Lookout drive just a little bit away 526 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 1: from here, and I drive around two different body shops 527 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: in the area, and I'd go in there and with 528 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: a little bit of cash and and um, you know, 529 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: just I it was just this whole subculture of of 530 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, of business where these guys got headlights, are 531 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: sitting on there waiting for guys like me to come 532 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: in and they're hoping that I'll pay over pay for him, 533 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: and then I'll sell them back and they'll be refurbished 534 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: and sold on you know, eBay or something. Oh. It's 535 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: fascinated with happy people made money too survive and then 536 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: thrive creatively. Because I struggled hard for years. They just 537 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: making money and living. So I'm fascinating with people's stories 538 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: about how they were able to live when it was 539 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: really lean. Yeah, and so you're in this flip this headlight, 540 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: flipping headlights. I was doing that. I was also working 541 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: childcare at a church on West End one day, Like 542 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: you're watching kids watching kids, yeah, like a daycare, Like yeah, dude, 543 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: Steve mcre daycare. So I was I was going from 544 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: body shop into daycare and and then still trying to 545 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: you know, do my shows. And at a certain point, Um, 546 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,479 Speaker 1: I was, I was making more money selling T shirts 547 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: and CDs than I was investing in these headlights. I was, 548 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: I was, I was seeing a faster return on on that. 549 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: So I've eventually was able to stop doing it, But 550 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: I was in this. I think my my break, I 551 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: guess was getting to do this college touring scenes called 552 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: naka and uh. So I drove around and played a 553 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: lot of colleges a lot of times. It was you 554 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: know that lunch time, um, you know when we're kids 555 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: reading Chicken Caesar wraps with their back to you, and 556 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: you're playing your own music, maybe mixing a little bit 557 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: of Miley Sorry Cyrus to get their attention. And I 558 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: did that for a couple of years, and I actually 559 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: made good money doing that, but it was I could 560 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: tell I really wasn't building a fan base and I 561 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: wasn't getting better at writing songs. So I decided to 562 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: change gears and stop doing that and be poor again. Word, 563 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: And you know what being poor is also because you 564 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: really find out who you are. Yeah, that's where that 565 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the only reason I can still know 566 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: who I am, because I go, what would I do 567 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: about if I still poor? Because it was I'm not 568 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: poor anymore. I was poor for most of my life. 569 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: And sometimes when I have these decisions like Okay, which 570 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: lane would I want to go? I go, Okay, if 571 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: you're still poor, which lane would you go? That reason? 572 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: That's me real quick. Yeah, so you're you're out, you're 573 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: playing colleges, you're playing cafeterias. Yeah, and you go, Okay, 574 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: it's not for me, burnt out, burnout exactly. Then how 575 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: do you start to develop a fan base? What do 576 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: you do to develop a fan base? Well, a couple 577 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: of things happened. Um, I became friends with these guys 578 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: in town, Ben Rector. Well this actually before Ben record came. 579 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: Town was Dave Barnes and Matt Worts. I don't know 580 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: if you know much about those guys, but they were 581 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: kind of, I would say, pioneer singer songwriters here in Nashville. 582 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: They were they weren't signed in major labels, but they 583 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: were building a following just by going out and making 584 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: great records and playing clubs. And and those guys heard 585 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: my first record and let me come out and open 586 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: for them. That was one big break, um, where it 587 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: was actually playing for fans for their fans, and um, 588 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: and but shortly thereafter met Ben Rector and he did 589 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: some touring with him, and he was the one that 590 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: gave me the advice when I was like, dude, I'm 591 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: burned out. I don't know if I could do this anymore. 592 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: He remember him saying, man, you know you're gonna see 593 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: a return on whatever you invest your time, and if 594 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: you want to be a better songwriter, you should invest 595 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: your time in writing songs. So at that point I came, 596 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: I stopped doing that, and um, I just really started 597 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: putting in time on music. Real. I'm a big bend 598 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: Rector guy. I want to enjoy his style of music 599 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: and too. Arkansas. Yeah, he's in Arkansas, Guys, I'm a Rector. 600 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's awesome. Yeah, he's one of the best. 601 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: We were on the Southwest flight from here to California. 602 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: I think we're both in life in the bathroom and 603 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, dude, have you been I was 604 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: like yeah, I said, hey, Bob. We talked like ten minutes. 605 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: We took a league. It was all we say. I 606 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: mean nice that it could be. I watched his a 607 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: YouTube live. He did a YouTube live concert. I don't 608 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: know if I knew that it was and it was 609 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: the coolest live concert I've ever seen it. I think 610 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: it was that I think Chapel Hill in North Carolina. 611 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: And he's because he plays piano. He you know, he's 612 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: just it. But it was really, uh a cool thing 613 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,959 Speaker 1: to see a live YouTube concert with someone that you 614 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: see bouncing around town. Yeah, because you just say, he 615 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: just walks, you know, in he's Nashville. I don't know 616 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: if he still where he lives anymore, but yeah, he's 617 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: He's seemed like a nice guy. He's a really nice guy. Man. 618 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: It's it's always we we know, we did a lot 619 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: of touring together at the beginning, and it's it's always 620 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: crazy for me. You know, he's he's big time now. Man, 621 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: it's he it's by being his friend, being his friend 622 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: from from the beginning of that. It's again it's hard 623 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: to have a glimpse of until you go to one 624 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: of his shows and you're like, wow, man, the show 625 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: still does And he's independent as far as much as 626 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: you can be an independent artist. That's him and that 627 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: has to inspire artists too, that you can just do 628 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: your thing and if you do it the right way 629 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: and you hit that right chord that a following will develop, 630 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: and he's done that. He certainly has. Yeah, he's got 631 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: a people pour into his shows, and he super serves 632 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: his audience. Where we are now in this culture of 633 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: I would say the nineties and back nineties to the sixties, 634 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: where you could put something out and you just wanted 635 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: to be mass popular for everybody. You just want to 636 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: make the best thing and hope that most people loved you. 637 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: We're in this culture now of super serving your slice 638 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: of the pie so much that that's all I care 639 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: about anymore. They're just talking to my people. I want 640 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: to super serve my people, and that's it. And what 641 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: I've noticed is my little slice. When I superserve my people, 642 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: it starts to get a little wider. I'm not chasing this. 643 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: If so, I would have send in top forty, but 644 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: that wasn't for me. I wanted to come over here. 645 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: These are my people, and I feed them as much 646 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: pie as it can possibly eat. And I'm only feeding them. 647 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: I don't care about anybody else. But I start to 648 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: notice that I just feed them, that little piece of 649 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: pie gets a little bigger and a little bigger, and 650 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,239 Speaker 1: I think that's where it's all going now. It's so 651 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: many avenues, from streaming to YouTube, to radio to everything 652 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: on the phone. There are ten tho quote unquote celebrities now, 653 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: and you can try to be big for everybody and 654 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: nobody's gonna care. Or you can be big to your 655 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: specific group of people. And that's how you make it now, 656 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: and that's how you continue to make a living. At 657 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: least that's how I've done it. I don't even know, dude. 658 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: Here's the song. I like this one, Fearful and take me. 659 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: This is this is vintage right here. I'm amazing you 660 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: pull this up? How old are you? Dude? I'm it's 661 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: hard to listen to. Why I think I'm I think 662 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: I'm why is this hard? My voice? Dude, it's it's 663 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: so emotional, it's so so. It does sound like a 664 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: vampire playing piano. I thought I actually looked a little 665 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,479 Speaker 1: bit like a vampire in this album cover. Shoot too 666 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: long and hard to day. What would you tell this 667 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: nineteen year old right now? Relax? I think I'd say, relax? Man. 668 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: I was, um, you know at that point, man, I 669 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: think I was. I was really thinking, um, I remember, 670 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: you know, making that record and thinking, oh man, you know, 671 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: someone's gonna pick this up and gonna be you know, 672 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,959 Speaker 1: tour bus, you know, in any minute now. And I 673 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: was I was also you know, uh, I think really 674 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: really in my head too about relationships. I was just 675 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: I was just pretty uptight, um and it took for 676 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: me a while to kind of chill out. But I 677 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: think I would say, man, um, keep making music from 678 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: your heart and uh, and don't be in a hurry 679 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: and enjoy the ride. I think that's what i'd say. 680 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: I have some songs here that you've written. Here's that 681 00:33:49,520 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: Dirk Marty grawl before bad yeah before Afteriser, that was 682 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: an Afteriser actually wrote that one with Dirks and now 683 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: we Himby. Do you feel oh man, that's powerful? Right? 684 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: It was awesome. So you know, if you're writing with 685 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: and foreign artist and someone like Natalie Himby is there, 686 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: that song is going to get used. I felt pretty 687 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: good that day. I was. I was in a good spot. Yeah, 688 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: that's just a because those guys, they only have so 689 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: many rights. An artist only has especially of that stature 690 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: on the road all the time and only has so 691 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: many rights, and they're writing for a specific reason. Derk 692 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: is not just dicking around and he's there right, songs 693 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 1: for him and then Natalie Himby who writes everything. I mean, 694 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: so you wrote that with her and Dirk's yeah, and 695 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: so you gotta feel pretty good. Yeah when Dirks goes yeah, 696 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: I like it. It was awesome. It was it was 697 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: It was a really fun day, man. I remember it 698 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: was just that day. It just came easy and it was. 699 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: It was a blast there, both so talented. So what's 700 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: happened with you right now? Um? What do you? What 701 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: do you people to consume of yours? Well, we just 702 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: released that song Born Ready, which is the title track 703 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: of the new record we have coming out, and we're 704 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: gonna be rolling out a couple more songs and we're 705 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: announcing a toorical the Born Ready tour this for this spring, 706 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: so all the tour will kind of lead us right 707 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: to the record release. The hurts thing like that depends 708 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: on how much water I've had to drink or beer. 709 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,479 Speaker 1: Do you have to hydrate fully? Yeah? I mean yeah 710 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: when I'm on when I'm on tour, I definitely drink 711 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: a lot of water and that keeps me out of trouble. Howay, 712 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: So you're getting there? Yeah, A water man need that 713 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: water dude, you need it, and I don't really appreciate it. 714 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: Water and knees are the two things that never really 715 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,959 Speaker 1: thought much. If you just leave your knees, you're done. 716 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: You're right, man, I guess mine are still all right. 717 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: Drink a lot of water and take care of your 718 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: knees and your teeth. How do you take care of 719 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: your knees? Just not beat them up too bad? Or 720 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: is there you got any knee exercise? A little thing 721 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: like I'll do pull ups. I used to just boom, 722 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: follow my feet. Now you go down and you're cushion 723 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 1: it by bending your knees a bit, right. Just take 724 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: it from someone a few years older than you. We 725 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: were watching Olympics last night. That hitting the moguls, those dudes. 726 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: I just crushes my knees to watch him. Yeah, I 727 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: can't ski though I've never been snow skan. I'm a snowboarder. 728 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 1: I grew up doing that. I guess so you're from 729 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 1: that bought a stupid question you pay. No, it's I don't, 730 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: it's I don't. I wouldn't say it's that that obvious. 731 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: But about a coat? Everything you want to ask, Oh, 732 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: Steve Mockler, you feel like we you felt like we 733 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: covered it over you did? Uh one of the crowdfunding 734 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: things for your record back in the day, right, Oh yeah, man, 735 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 1: early in the crowdfunding days. It was early. Yeah, we 736 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: was the kickstarter like it was one of I was 737 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: with this guy Andy Davis did it in here in 738 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: town and and then we did one shortly after him, 739 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: and it was from my second record, watching Time Run 740 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,959 Speaker 1: and uh, and it went really well. I went skydiving. 741 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: I was like, if we're gonna ask people for money, 742 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: I gotta do something cool. So I kind of made 743 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: this whole thing where I was like, I'm gonna go 744 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: skydive and kind of made this metaphor. It's like I 745 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: got the studio time. It's like jumping out of it, 746 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,439 Speaker 1: but I don't have the money to pay for It's 747 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: like jumping out of a plane without a parachute. Are 748 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: you gonna be there for me? So we called all 749 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: the all the little packages parachute packages, and it worked. 750 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: It was cool and and it made me overcome my 751 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: fear heights you jumped out of a plane. Do you 752 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: feel did you? Did you do something for everybody? Is 753 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: what that is like? If you can sign something to 754 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: send it to you. There's all different kind of packages. 755 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: You know. You can you can get a sign poster 756 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: and get the record early. You can, you know something, 757 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 1: you could even write a song with me. That was 758 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: one of the higher end packages. So there's all kinds 759 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: of stuff. It was cool. Oh dude, it's I don't 760 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: charge anybody now, man, let me been on that one. Uh, Steve, 761 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: good to see buddy, Great to see too. Man. Pretty 762 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: for having me. Yeah, I appreciate you coming to the 763 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: house and check out Born Ready to These things gets 764 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: to do all the time. Maybe the records all By 765 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 1: the time someone hears this is the record takes be 766 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: called Ready, it's gonna be called Born Ready. That could 767 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: be the one you never know. It could be the 768 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: one Nashal's waiting for you. I'm not going anywhere, man, 769 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: I suppose watching you, you're just on that pressive I 770 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,320 Speaker 1: see it. You're just right there. You're just tinkering. People 771 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: just don't know where to put you. And that's the 772 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: best place to be because that means there's nowhere already 773 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 1: carved out for you. When people don't know where to 774 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: assign you, that's the best and the worst place to be. 775 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: I'm a home run hitter, though I mean to strike 776 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: out a live Nobody kne where to put me, and 777 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: they still don't, and I scrub a lot. Nobody knows 778 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: where to put you right now, And you know what 779 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: it's awesome about that there's not a place already designed 780 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: for you. Thanks man, that's encouraging. And if you want 781 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: to hit home runs, that's what you do. Freaking you 782 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: don't go into another person's hole. I'm gonna keep swinging. 783 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,879 Speaker 1: That's probably not a good thing out the way, don't 784 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: ye Like. Yeah, I'm a fans fancy thank you. I 785 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: appreciate you. Going by there is Steve moclaire. Yeah, thanks 786 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: hanging out with us, See you next time. M