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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what's in the Texas water.

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Speaker 1: You get Patrick Maholl, Drew Brees, Matthew Stafford, Andrew Look,

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murry, Men Young, Nick Boles, RG three, Ryan Tannel,

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, Jalen Hurts. What the hell on a theendom?

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Speaker 1: What are they drinking in Texas to produce these type quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: It's a way of life from the time you're I

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Speaker 2: can and you can go back even further than just

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Speaker 2: the guys that you name. That's our current, you know,

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Speaker 2: in recent guys that you see, but you can take

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Speaker 2: it back. You know, there were guys that you see

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Speaker 2: in the NFL. Let's let's give you a great example,

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Speaker 2: Andy Dalton, right, right, what that guy did at TCU,

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Speaker 2: what he did for the state of Texas. And if

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Speaker 2: during that time, right, you know. So there have been

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Speaker 2: You know, from the time you're five six years old,

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, do you remember watching those guys playing

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think RG three did an amazing job for

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Speaker 2: won the hets Be in twenty twelve. He won it

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Speaker 1: Did you ever see any of those guys high school

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Speaker 2: I would say I watched Kyler's career probably the closest.

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Speaker 2: I had a huge hand in getting him to Texas

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Speaker 2: I think that's what his dad did for him to,

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Speaker 2: And if you know anything about Texas high school football,

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, what happened? Why was it Texas A and

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Speaker 2: After I left the direction of the program I felt

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Speaker 2: who is going to be our guy. Right. They played

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Speaker 2: Murray what we're talking about, lost one game his whole career.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to go give this guy the keys.

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Speaker 2: I don't care what he's doing. College is the time

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Speaker 2: as a freshman you mold men. You mold these guys

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Speaker 2: And I think with that coach, someone lost a little

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Speaker 2: And I think a lot of that, to be said,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion of where our program is now as

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Speaker 1: Because Kyler was supposed to be that was supposed to

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Speaker 1: that Saturday afternoon in Tuscaloosa is what you actually did

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Speaker 1: Johnny built this, he has it going. Guess what, we

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Speaker 2: Boom right there in front of your face. I worked

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Speaker 1: But when you watch Kyler transfer and then you see

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Speaker 1: I think he took him to the college football player

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Speaker 4: He went to the Heisman.

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Speaker 1: he can run, He's a due He's a true definition

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people like kind of discount

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Speaker 4: And he catch fire?

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Speaker 2: Did they not just learn it with me? Did they

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Speaker 2: That's where I got my guy who believed in me.

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Speaker 2: Jake Spavatall was our offensive coordinator when Kyler was there,

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Speaker 2: But he comes to someone he asked him for X amount.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, cause I'm thinking I remember hearing it and they

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Speaker 1: Now you do realize this is prior to nil agree

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Speaker 2: Backroom deal went on for thirty forty years before it

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Speaker 1: And you guys that you know, y'all texting them got

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Speaker 2: Just keep it cas s throw it somewhere. We'll get

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Speaker 1: In fact, if I ask you, said, Johnny, who's your

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Speaker 4: What four heads you put it on?

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Johnny, your upbringing, what was

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Speaker 1: When you say you were a good kid, good kid

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Speaker 2: Manzaiah, good kid by one hundred percent percent of America.

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Speaker 2: I was raised the proper way. I was raised and

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Speaker 2: Campbell to Tyler, two Heisman Trophy winners in the same

435
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 2: the Tyler Rose Baby, and when I was about thirteen,

436
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 2: I mean in between my sixth grade semesters. So it's

437
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 2: like January of my sixth grade year. My dad comes in,

438
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 2: He's like, we're moving, does it? Just packs everything up

439
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 2: and we drive five and a half hours away to Curveville, Texas.

440
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 2: And Curveville, Texas is forty miles west of San Antonio,

441
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 2: out in the middle of the hill country. Beautiful, but

442
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 2: it's very country, you know. It's very little backwoods kind

443
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 2: of placed twenty thousand people and it's duly trucks and

444
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: farms and ranches and everything you would expect the Texas

445
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 2: town to be. And when I went there, life shifted.

446
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 2: It was like the old Johnny Manziel was there before

447
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 2: that move and then there was a completely new person

448
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 2: born after that. And I think that comes from like

449
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 2: when I got there and I first got to class

450
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: at this new school, I was nervous and I didn't

451
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 2: have any of my friends, I didn't know anything. It

452
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: was the most first time in my life. I think

453
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 2: I was really really uncomfortable in the situation that I

454
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 2: was in, and I created and took over a little

455
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: bit of a different persona in the sense of like

456
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: kind of where I get a little bit more of

457
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: my attitude a little bit more of this country place

458
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 2: where I felt like I had to. You know, I

459
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 2: stick up for myself, not even flax, I stick up

460
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: for myself. You know, I'm a new kid on the

461
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: block here. I ain't getting bullied around by nobody out here.

462
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 2: My dad taught me the right way that somebody wrongs

463
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: you in a sense, right, you can either try and

464
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 2: handle it the right way as a man, or if

465
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: somebody takes it too far down the line, I give

466
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: you full permission to do what you need to do

467
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 2: to protect yourself. And I felt like I was getting

468
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 2: bullied around and punked around a little bit, and I

469
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: started to stand on my ground, and with that became

470
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 2: a new like growth. There's a fifteen year old, fourteen

471
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 2: year old kid in life, and I remember that shift

472
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 2: like it was yesterday.

473
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: You said, your dad all of a sudden packed the

474
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: family up and limp. How unexpected was it? Were there

475
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: any talk do you remember him, he and your mom

476
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: having a conversation about, you know, this is not working.

477
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 4: I think we might need to move. I think there's

478
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 4: a better opportunity to over here.

479
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: Was there ever any conversation that your family there or

480
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: the possibility that your family might leave Tyler and head

481
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: to where you ended up going.

482
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 2: None. None came in one day and just that was it.

483
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 2: We got in the car, we went and that was it.

484
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: Never heard of conversation, never heard of talk, never really

485
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: got a reason, nothing. We were just doing it. And

486
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: as I know now, you know, my dad took a

487
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 2: better job in a different industry to be able to

488
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: go do that and do something that gave him more

489
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 2: time to be a father. Okay, you know, the car

490
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: business for him was a six day a week, six

491
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: in the morning until eight pm, grind. Like I got

492
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 2: to see my dad at dinner at night and then

493
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 2: on the Sundays that we spoke about, so you know,

494
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: I get two hours with him at night during the

495
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 2: week and then we get that Sunday family time that

496
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: we get and hopefully baseball doesn't overlap. So it was

497
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: very much a family decision to be able to spend

498
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 2: more time together and get a fresh start. You know,

499
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: my family and Tyler had a reputation about him, you know,

500
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 2: as being wild and being this party family and kind

501
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 2: of you know, the rumor I guess around East Texas

502
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 2: was the you know, it was a little bit my

503
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 2: fioso kind of vibe to it a little bit. This

504
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: is what I hear and what I was hearing as

505
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: a kid, Right, That's what I would hear when I

506
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: was in elementary school. Oh, you're a Manzell Like it

507
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: was always that kind of like we're judging you before

508
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 2: we even know who you are. So I think a

509
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 2: lot of that had to do with my dad tired

510
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: of hearing all the chirp about our last name.

511
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: When did you, or if ever, when you were growing

512
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: up have an appreciation for what your dad was doing.

513
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: You mentioned that he worked six days a week, that

514
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: he left at six six am in the morning, he

515
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: came home at eight pm, and you guys had dinner,

516
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: so you basically got the dinner time. That was it,

517
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: and then you got Sunday golf outing. What did you

518
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: ever become reseentful that you weren't spending the quality time

519
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: with your dad and that he wasn't driving you around

520
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: to all these baseball games.

521
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it was resentment. I would say there

522
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: was full blown anger at that point in time, back

523
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: in the day, like to the max, like I'm watching

524
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: other kids have their parents be there and stuff, and

525
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: it's a natural inclination to be able to be like, yo,

526
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: what's wrong with me? Why is my mom is a rock? Right?

527
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: Like my mom was, she never blinked, she never solid,

528
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: solid woman. And now that I look back at I

529
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: realized what my dad was doing. It takes a lot

530
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: of time and a lot of effort and a lot

531
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 2: of energy to be able to provide for a family,

532
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: especially when you get away from the nest egg and

533
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: the grandparents and everything and you go do it on

534
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: your own, so you know, for a long time, and

535
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: this is where me and my dad around this time

536
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: just started butting heads. And then this is where the

537
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: This is where the sneak, you know, this is where

538
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: the sneaking and the drinking, and this is where it

539
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 2: all kind of like starts to unravel a little bit.

540
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: And this is kind of at this point in time,

541
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen years old, where I start to go down

542
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: a path that you later see on a national scale.

543
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: Do you believe had your father been around more frequently

544
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: that the Johnny manzil that started happening around fifteen sixteen

545
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: and would later cost you a lot of what you

546
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: had worked so hard for. Had he been around. Do

547
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: you believe this would have happened?

548
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: No, I believe that life goes exactly the way that

549
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: it's supposed to go. So if he was around, it's

550
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 2: a big if, right, and it's a hypothetical type of

551
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 2: situation hard for me to answer. But I know now

552
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: all the bad parts of me make me exactly who

553
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 2: I am, right, All the failure that I've had in life, failure,

554
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 2: what I really fail on. I lived my dream by

555
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 2: the time I was twenty two years old. That dream

556
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: that I had when I'm sitting in that classroom in Curveville, Texas,

557
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: I accomplished at twenty two. Now, my dreams never were

558
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: to go be in the position that you were in

559
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: with a Hall of Fame jacket, and to be the

560
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 2: best NFL player ever. Very much felt like when I

561
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 2: got drafted and that I got a chance to start

562
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: in an NFL game, like my dreams were completely accomplished,

563
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 2: almost well. And that's just the way I truly feel,

564
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: you know. So my life, the good, the bad, and

565
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: everything in between, it went exactly the way that it

566
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: was supposed to go. To be sitting here with you today,

567
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 2: and I learned more through the failures than I ever

568
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: did through the rise.

569
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: Ever you're growing up, you say, because you had played

570
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: baseball at started baseball at such an early age. By

571
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,239
Speaker 1: the time you got to about fourteen fifteen, you had

572
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: completely burnt out on the game of baseball, so now

573
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: you transitioned to football. Was your size ever a problem

574
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: that did? A coach ever?

575
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 4: Takes that?

576
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: Johnny, you're just too small, souh Of course, of course.

577
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: I think that's a big reason why I didn't go

578
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: to the University of Texas. They wouldn't pull the trigger

579
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: on me and my size at any position. They wanted

580
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: me to play safety, Like safety safety me ain't got

581
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: a lot of white safeties out there.

582
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 4: Shame no, no, no, they don't. They don't.

583
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: So what I think I'm thinking, like, hold on, if

584
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: you too small to play, if he's five.

585
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 4: Or eleven, how much you way coming out of high school.

586
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: One hundred and seventy three pounds seventy five.

587
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: But they didn't think you could play quarterback because of

588
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: that size. But they felt you'd be perfect for safety.

589
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: They saw athletic ability. Okay, they saw a special.

590
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: Athletic talent and they didn't know what it was. And

591
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: to be honest, until I met George Whitfield and went

592
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: and started training with him. I didn't believe in myself

593
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: that I was a quarterback. Okay, you were an athlete.

594
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: I just wanted to play football. I would play receiver,

595
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: I played running back in high school. I played anything

596
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: that I could play to get on the field and

597
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: be with my dogs.

598
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you. In your high school career, you

599
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: passed over seventy six hundred yards. You had seventy six

600
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: total touchdowns in high school parade All America, Mister Texas football,

601
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: if you're if you're the mister football in the state

602
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: of There are certain states now, and this is not

603
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: a knock, but if you missed the football in North Dakota,

604
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: they don't hold the same weight as mister football in Florida, Georgia, Texas, California.

605
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: If you're from North Dakota, maybe.

606
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 4: Maybe who you're from North Dakota, you're absolutely right.

607
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: But being missed the football in the state of Texas,

608
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: that means no matter what your size is, Johnny, everybody

609
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: should have been beaten down your door and not looking

610
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: at you say well he's only five to level one

611
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: seventy three.

612
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: The world was perfect maybe it would have went that way,

613
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: but we both know that it's not, and that people

614
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: oversee greatness all the time. We do you, I mean

615
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: not necessarily you, but in immedia type people overlook great

616
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: inness all the time. People are still knocking down Rock

617
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: Party's door right now and all the heaters are coming through.

618
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: For what, mister irrelevant to a Super Bowl. I mean,

619
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: it's about identifying greatness in somebody, in their soul and

620
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: in their heart. It's more than just what you can

621
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: do with your hands and with your arms and with

622
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: your legs.

623
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: Right I'm looking at the school's Oregon, Rice, Stanford, Iowa State, Baylor,

624
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: CSU of Colorado, State, Louisiana Tech, Tousta, Wyoming, in Texas,

625
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: A and M.

626
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 4: And it's said, as I read that, you.

627
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: Said that you de committed from Oregon because they had

628
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota and you didn't feel confident enough in yourself

629
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 1: that you could beat him out or you get an

630
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: opportunity to play.

631
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: I didn't go to Oregon, not anything that had to

632
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: do with Marcus. It's really nice unies, Hey, that was

633
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: the reason I wanted to go two thousand and eleven,

634
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: I think was twenty ten cam Newton Auburn year they

635
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: played Michael James and the Ducks and Fiesta Bowl for

636
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: the National Championship. There's jerseys coming out. I'm committed. Whoa crazy?

637
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: And when I went there, they made my family. So

638
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: when I get into contact with Oregon and Trip Kelly,

639
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: they didn't give us, you know, the roll out, the

640
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: red carpet treatment to go visit. They're like, you want

641
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: to come up here on your dime and come to

642
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: this camp. We'll let you come in and we'll evaluate you.

643
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: And as I get there, meeting with Chip Kelly and

644
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: doing the whole deal that you do on a recruiting trip,

645
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: I get to the you know, we get to the

646
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: football portion of it where we're going out in the

647
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: field and I jog out to where I'm supposed to

648
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: go and there's this kid sitting there, six' Four hawaiian,

649
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: kid and he's in. LINE i, go, yo what's, up,

650
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: Bro you're playing receiver? Today and he looks at me

651
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: and he, Goes i'm playing. Quarterback AND i remember in

652
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: my head at that, Time i'm, Like i'm so. Fucked

653
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: i'm TOAs this. Kid so there was that initial reaction

654
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: and then as we go through the. Drills it's just

655
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: like boom boom boom boom boom. Boom Two Heisman trophy

656
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: winners before it ever. Happens just so good that when

657
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: we got off the field that, day we both got

658
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: offered at the same, time at the same, day AND

659
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 2: i committed on the. Spot there wasn't no doubt that

660
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: that's WHAT i wanted to. Do it had nothing to.

661
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: Do they could have had five six quarterbacks in that,

662
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: class and they told us they were going to take

663
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: three because they needed. Dead SO i knew that going into,

664
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: it AND i committed.

665
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: Anyway oh so now you what About you said you

666
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: wanted to go To, texas but they didn't feel you

667
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: was big enough to play the. Position so was? IT, U, T,

668
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: a AND. M were those the only text of school

669
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: that you? Like considering?

670
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: Frogs love. THEM i took a visit there and had

671
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: a buddy from high school that was going to school,

672
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: there AND i went. THERE i was, like, damn there's

673
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: a lot of girls up, here.

674
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 4: And they parted To john if they PARTED. Tcu almost

675
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 4: every Year number one party schooled.

676
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: FROGS i, mean, man it's. Crazy WHEN i was in high,

677
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: SCHOOL i was like this place is heaven On. Earth,

678
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: nice it's, Clean. Earls the football program, There damn.

679
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: Jotty you don't mentioned nice and clean and talk about

680
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: girls and you ain't got the football.

681
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 2: YET i at that point in, TIME i wasn't thinking

682
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: about football sharing. It i'm trying to go have a

683
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: good time in. COLLEGE i wanted to be like this

684
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 2: mix of Like entourage ON hbo and Like Blue Mountain

685
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: state and all these THINGS i was watching at the,

686
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: Time and WHAT i was ingrained in was just Like

687
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: i'm a party. BOY i just happened to be good

688
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: at football a little bit at that. Time you, know

689
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: my grind and focus and determination of the game didn't

690
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: come in UNTIL i got into trouble before my heightsman

691
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: year AT a AND M june of twenty. Twelve it

692
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: all kind of came to a halt WHEN i got

693
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: arrested AND i got arrested for going out To northgate

694
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 2: And College station and drinking too much and blacking out

695
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: and waking up in. Handcuffs and when that instance, happened

696
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 2: it was this meeting with coach someone and my mom

697
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: and my, dad and it was like you either figure

698
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 2: this out to day or over the next couple weeks

699
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: or your ass is out of here, gone and then

700
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: everything you work, for your, scholarship everything you figure it.

701
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 2: Out now as my family sits there in the room

702
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: and someone's looking at him just like we're looking at

703
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: each other right, now he's, like you, guys figure it.

704
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: Out and when that, happened my family moved To College

705
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: station and they moved in my backyard AND i pretty

706
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: much moved back in with my mom and my. Dad

707
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: and that was the moment that was, like all, right

708
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: do you hear what's going? On you're smart enough to comprehend.

709
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: This you may be fucking around with your boys and

710
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: doing what you think you want to, do but the

711
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: opportunity that's in front of you you are spoiling and

712
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: you need to get it. Together and that's When George

713
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 2: wodfield came into my life AND i. Went my mom

714
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: sent me To San diego with all the money they

715
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: probably had saved up for their little saving stuff and

716
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: sent me out there to work with this, guy and

717
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 2: they trusted. Him and WHEN i came, BACK i left

718
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: before that trip and getting. Arrested fourth on the depth

719
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: chart below the freshman who came in below the two

720
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: other guys that were above me in the. Class in eleven,

721
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: days WHEN i got back and we started training, CAMP

722
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: i was named the starter and handed the keys to

723
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: The TEXAS a AND M university football. Team that's how

724
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: much of a difference my focus and my passion and

725
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: my energy being put into something turned out to.

726
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: Be if that situation you drinking to the point of blacking,

727
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: out do you remember anything about that night other than

728
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: going to the bar With.

729
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 2: JAHOMIES i was Taking xanax back, then and it was

730
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: a very like weird time in my life WHERE i

731
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 2: was dealing with anxiety and all these things and emotions

732
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: that were going on THAT i didn't have any business

733
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: being able to handle on my. Own but from that country,

734
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: kid proud and tough and all these things THAT i prided,

735
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: MYSELF i wasn't asking for, Help. SHANNON i didn't ask

736
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: for help WHEN i was sitting In, Cleveland so why

737
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: AM i gonna do it When i'm in. College SO

738
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: i was a lost kid trying to figure, Out like you,

739
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: know after my first year at AN, m WHEN i

740
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: red shirted the end of that, YEAR i, said fuck,

741
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: This i'm done playing. FOOTBALL i was finding out how

742
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: to transfer TO tcu to play. Baseball that's how bad it.

743
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: Was after my red shirt year six and six we're

744
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: in The Big. Twelve i'm going To, Ames iowa and

745
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: all these LIKE i ain't the stadium THAT i wanted

746
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: to be playing. In and there's no disrespect to them.

747
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: Whatsoever The Big twelve is not THE. Sec and you

748
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: see it, now only two of them schools in The

749
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 2: Big twelve got into THE. Sec Four if you Had

750
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 2: missouri and an m only four that whole thing really got.

751
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: In so there's a difference in, program there's a difference

752
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: in stature of. Dudes any team can be a team

753
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: on a given, day consistency of a program and. Legacy you,

754
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: know there's only a couple of teams that got into

755
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: THE sec for a reason like.

756
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: That let's just Say Johnny manzield is a high school

757
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: senior now And Coach prime is AT, SeeU And Coach

758
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: prime come, sit come down and talk to. You And johnny, said, Look,

759
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: johnny man with, YOU i see big things for you

760
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: and the, program and we need you to take us

761
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: to the heights of Where See you football can.

762
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 4: Be would you be interested in playing For Coach.

763
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 2: Prime without a doubts me and him Being texas, guys

764
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: you know he's up and. Prosper we've had a great

765
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: relationship for, years AND i think looking back on our relationship,

766
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 2: now he knew something special in me to the point

767
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: of where, he you, know would interjected my life at

768
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 2: times or send me a message or like really show

769
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 2: love that he didn't have to. Do and IF i

770
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: was a college kid looking, NOW i would Say TEXAS

771
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: a AND m is the best school in the, country

772
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: right Mass. A given number, TWO i would play for a,

773
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: man for a guy who's a, leader, amn for a

774
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: guy who carries himself the way that the prime, Does

775
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: and without a, DOUBT i would sign my life and

776
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 2: sit look at it from a different. Perspective IF i

777
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 2: was a father and my son was looking to go

778
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: to play for a, COACH i would, absolutely without a,

779
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 2: doubt unequivocally send him to coach.

780
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: Bron you said you played baseball from a very young

781
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: age until you about fourteen to. Fifteen how good of

782
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: a baseball player Was Johnny? Manzail really? Good what was

783
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: it you to? Play played short?

784
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: Stop? OKAY i played middle m field AND i loved

785
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: it like it was it Was it for, ME i

786
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: was a GOOD opo, Hitter LIKE i felt LIKE i

787
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: fielded the ball all. Right you, KNOW i had a

788
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: couple offers out there And i'll remember exactly what they

789
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: were at the time because football was so you, know

790
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: overshadowing everything in my. Life but if you ask anybody

791
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: that was around me from the TIME i was twelve to,

792
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: sixteen they would say baseball was like you can, play you.

793
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: Played you played a shortstop because you Said gita was

794
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: your favorite. Player you wore the number. Two so is

795
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 1: that kind of how you tried to model your? Game

796
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: you do realize that Like gita was Like, christine what's your?

797
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 2: Game were talking about the one off the field with

798
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: the baskets and the love notes and everything you? Had

799
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 2: are we talking about? That we're talking about el?

800
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: Capitation did he did a great job of like you

801
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: knew what he was, doing but you didn't really know

802
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: what he was.

803
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: Doing but always if you, know you, know you.

804
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: Know so you modeled your. Get you modeled your game After.

805
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: Jeter so you you're, Like, Okay i'm gonna be a.

806
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: Shortstop i'm gonna be beloved because.

807
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: They gave me the pen. Stripes, man that's on the

808
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: pen stripes on A yankee, stadium the whole. Thing so

809
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: how good.

810
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 4: Would you call? It your high school baseball?

811
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 2: Team school baseball team was pretty. Good we had a

812
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: kid that was two years older than me by the

813
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: name Of Logan vic and he ended up committing To.

814
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 2: Baylor he was a all state kind of. Guy left

815
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 2: the crazy power WHEN i played and got the varsity

816
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: freshman in sophomore. Year he played, shortstop so they kind

817
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: of just plugged and played me, wherever and if he,

818
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: PITCHED i took his. Position but we kind of played

819
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: off each other and kind of WHEN i was in

820
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: high school AND i saw him how good he. Was

821
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 2: he was better than, me and he did things on

822
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: a baseball field THAT i saw On he did that every,

823
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: day and he hit some bombs that took out light

824
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: poles and did the whole. Thing he was that. Guy

825
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 2: and WHEN i saw him and WHERE i, WAS i

826
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: always THOUGHT i ain't gonna be. THAT i really truly

827
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: was like he And i'm. Good i'm, good BUT i ain't,

828
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: That AND i was here today and give you the

829
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 2: honest truth of what it. Is so that was kind of,

830
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: like all, right you gotta go do all of this

831
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: just to get a fifty sixty percent of your scholarship

832
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 2: paid for. It get me on a grid? Iron?

833
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 4: Right you?

834
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: WERE i read you were selected by The padres in

835
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: the twenty eighth, round the eight hundredth and thirty seventh

836
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: pick of twenty.

837
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 4: Fourteen so why didn't you just you, know you have to?

838
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 4: Go but you could have, like, HEY i.

839
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: SIGNED i, Mean i've been pretty good on the, resume, like,

840
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 1: Hey padres took your.

841
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 4: Boy after you, know BUT i ain't feel like DOING

842
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:30,959
Speaker 4: i played.

843
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: Football sounded like my. Dad my dad still to this

844
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 2: day is, like are you gonna go back and maybe

845
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: go To padres and play baseball or. Something i'm, Like,

846
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: pops come, on, man pump those.

847
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: Bags but see you look At. Kyler kyler was what

848
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 1: the eighth pick in the. Draft why do you think

849
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: guys a lot of guys choose football over baseball considering

850
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: the money that baseball players. Make show hate just got some,

851
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: Honey Aaron judge makes Forty we see what might trout

852
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: what and it's. Guaranteed why do you think guys choose

853
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: guys that are really good and can play both choose

854
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: football over?

855
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: Baseball because this ain't on all that runs in the.

856
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: WORLD i can do the same with seven hundred AS

857
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: i can do with. Fifty that ain't it for. Me

858
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: i'm not motivated by the money like. That so for,

859
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: me it's about the. Rush for, me it's about the,

860
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: thrill same THRILL i got walking into a nightclub or

861
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 2: partying or this or. That i've been a guy of.

862
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 2: Thrills and when you meet me in that a, gap

863
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: or you meet me in a hole somewhere on a

864
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 2: draw play AND i mix you up so, bad you're

865
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: in a Pretzel like that rush to, me people trying

866
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: to come after me and knock my head, off and

867
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: being able to get away and be slippery and do

868
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: WHAT i did best in, College that's what made me feel.

869
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 2: Alive that's what made me feel.

870
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: Whole you graduated early in high school In road In Texas,

871
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: city and why did you feel you Needed did you

872
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: feel you needed to do that or you were just

873
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: trying to get away from your, Hometown like, MAN i

874
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: got to.

875
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: Get over as far as 'en rolling, early saw the

876
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: greats doing. IT i saw the good quarterbacks in every

877
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: class were getting on campus early to figure it. Out

878
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 2: SO i would say it's fifty to fifty on IF

879
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: i just wanted to get away from the fam and

880
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: get my own car and being my own, apartment AND

881
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: I i was in a hurry to grow, up which

882
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: is what a lot of people do in. Life and

883
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 2: sitting back, NOW i realized that you should enjoy your

884
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: time from twelve to your sixteen seventeen years. Old and

885
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: it's only getting worse with nil and what's going on

886
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: in the. World people are treating thirteen fourteen year old

887
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: kids like brands and. Businesses and you, know you see

888
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: all these kids the social media and they're trying to make,

889
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: money like the love of the game is not about.

890
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: That and now we're at the point where in college

891
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 2: you're getting exposure to millions and millions of dollars and

892
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: it's taken away the passion and the love for what

893
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: it truly. Is if you would have handed me a

894
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: million dollars in my freshman year WHEN i got TO

895
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: a AND, m you'd have seen some.

896
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 4: Shit you might not have made your fund more, Year,

897
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 4: JOHNNY i might.

898
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: NOT i definitely wouldn't be sitting In New york with that.

899
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: TROPHY i probly would have seen some shit for.

900
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: Sure when you when you had your visit To, texas

901
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: saying them and you walking around on campus and they

902
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: normally have they pull out their, best you, know the

903
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: best ladies to show you a. Ride they call them,

904
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: postesses and to show you a, round and you walking

905
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: around on campus and you look at it Ride you're, like,

906
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:25,959
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm coming.

907
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 2: Early it's never about the girls for me back, then

908
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: really to the, Max i've always been a guy that

909
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 2: like rides for my, dogs AND i enjoy the time

910
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 2: with my. Bros and just, drinking you, know smoking or

911
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: doing whatever like that was always what it was for.

912
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: Me so WHEN i went on my VISIT, TEXTA a AND,

913
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: m they stuck me with two of the biggest party

914
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: boys on the whole, team and they showed me the

915
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: time of my, life to the point of Where i'm

916
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 2: in the back of the uber And I'm i'm, sick

917
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: LIKE i had too many. Shots i am lit off my,

918
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: ass AND i remember being in this uber and being, like,

919
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: MAN i gotta throw up and not let these guys

920
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: see any sign of. Weakness SO i just remember being,

921
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: like all, Right i'm gonna see you boys. Later i'll

922
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: see you in the. Morning AND i don't even make

923
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: it to my. ROOM i don't even make it back

924
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 2: to the. Room you, know my family were in these

925
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: joined rooms at this hotel and college, station The, Hilton

926
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: and they wake up the next day And i'm just

927
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: outside the, door just and that to. ME i woke

928
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: up the next. Day they're kind of pushing. Me i'm like,

929
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 2: Success i'm, ALIVE i am, good And i'm sitting going

930
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: to Meet Coach sherman at this taco Place fago AND

931
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: i roll in by ten minutes late and he looks

932
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: at me And i'm just white as a. Ghost And

933
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 2: Coach sherman had been With Brett farv In Green. Bay

934
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: he knew what he, knew what he, knew what was,

935
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: up and he was so good that he was just

936
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: like he knew he. Knew when he put me with,

937
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: them two dudes From San antonio WHO i looked up,

938
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 2: to it was on and he had, Me i'm in the.

939
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: Boat i'm in the.

940
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 4: Boat when.

941
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: You go back and you mentioned your freshman, year where

942
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: did you think you red? Shirted what was it about?

943
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: That was it not being able to play as much

944
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: as you thought you? Would what transpired In johnny's mind

945
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: that kind of lt him down the path of where

946
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: he Was.

947
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 2: WITHHITTED i just remember the first, day going out to

948
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: that first practice in the morning and you get like one.

949
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: Rep is that like young, kid he's there. Early this

950
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: is spring, practice so you, know all the guys are

951
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 2: getting done with the. Season then you're in the spring

952
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,959
Speaker 2: AND i get that one rep and he's, like come,

953
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: back And i'm like seven step drop AND i let

954
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: this ball, Go, shannon and it might have hit the

955
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: top of the endoor this. Thing AND i remember Coach

956
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: sherman had his place sheet and he threw it down

957
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: and he, goes the fuck was. That i'm nervous these Ball,

958
00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: tannehill like these balls aired up like rock. HARD i

959
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: need That brady look cushion for the fushes and my. Confidence,

960
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: MAN i went from mister mister football At texas to

961
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: getting in here and being, LIKE i don't throw it

962
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: Like Jamille showers, does the guy who was Behind, TANNEHILL

963
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 2: i don't throw it like. Him that ball don't come

964
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: out and they don't come out like that with. Me

965
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: so then you start to see and you're comparing yourself

966
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: to other. People and as that year went, on you,

967
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: know being the bottom of the barrel, guy you, know

968
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: being the guy that is getting ragged on by the

969
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: seniors and. This And i'm traveling Like i'm, QUIET i

970
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: don't talk. MUCH i kind of stay in my. LANE

971
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: i don't ask. QUESTIONS i ain't trying to better myself

972
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: at that, Point i'm just losing confidence week by week

973
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: and just kind of like getting to the point Where

974
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: i'm like. Lost is football WHAT i really? Like that

975
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: question was in my life from that point.

976
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 4: On, Wow.

977
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: So from that point, on you always question whether it

978
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: the importance of football or ABILITY i was about to

979
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: take Is johnny does he possess the ability to be

980
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: what many believe he could?

981
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 4: Be so you had self. DOUBT i had self doubt for.

982
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: SURE i had self doubt AND i didn't get self

983
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 2: assurance of myself and WHAT i was as a football

984
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: player Until Cliff kingsbury walked in my. Life and a

985
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: funny story About Cliff kingsbury THAT i tell to. Everybody

986
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: we've been locked in like this since the first DAY

987
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 2: i ever met. Him, Kurveville, texas is forty miles an,

988
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: hour you, know away From San, Antonio So Cliff kingsbury's

989
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 2: at The university Of houston would. Coach someone has Case.

990
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: Keenum there obviously another Real texas high school football. Legend

991
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: and seven o'clock our practice starts In. Kerrville we ran

992
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: a very very military drill style of football, program, values

993
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: and a lot of what we talk about At TEXAS

994
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: a AND m was how my high school football program.

995
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: Was So kingsbury comes down in the field that first

996
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: morning And i'm getting ready to warm up and he

997
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: comes up to me and he daves me up and he,

998
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: goes what's, up, BRO i just want to keep it

999
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: a buck with. YOU i don't have any scholarships to give.

1000
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 2: You every single coach THAT i walk into a building

1001
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: In San, Antonio texas said you need to get your

1002
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: ass in the car and come down here and watch

1003
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 2: this kid. Practice so he, Goes that's exactly What i'm.

1004
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: Doing AND i just want to let you Know i'm

1005
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: here to watch you ball out for a practice and

1006
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: one day our past will cross. Again i'm. Nervous this

1007
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: is If kingsbury played At Texas. Tech this is another

1008
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: legend in Min, YEAH i had a real. Guy he

1009
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 2: wouldn't know whatever you want to, say but he was

1010
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: him at one point in, time AND i didn't know

1011
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: the significance of what that talk is a high school

1012
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: kid was going to lead to being on a stage

1013
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: In New york four years, later three years. Later but

1014
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: he kept it real with me like. THAT i was, like,

1015
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: YO i can't take. You i'm here to watch you.

1016
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 4: Ball.

1017
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 2: Wow and after that meet and after the day of the,

1018
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: workout he's just sitting over there on the side and

1019
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 2: he just gives me one of these like you crush.

1020
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: Out if you would have set out your entire season

1021
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: of a, freshman do you think you would have learned your?

1022
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: Lesson Ooh. NO i think it took me having the

1023
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: biggest fear of my entire. Life failure come to, fruition

1024
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: and failure wouldn't have happened for me IF i didn't

1025
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: get to the success THAT i. Got does that makes? Sense?

1026
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 4: Yes do you think they would have disciplined?

1027
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 2: YOU i think they could. HAVE i think WHAT i

1028
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: was doing in the off season and WHAT i was

1029
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: doing in my workouts and WHO i was as a

1030
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: team leader coming back with A heisman, trophy they should

1031
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: have been. Me they should have suspended. ME i was Doing,

1032
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: hey you can't smoke, weed big give me the fan

1033
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 2: of give me the fan of what you got to talk.

1034
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: About it's about a box of white out white, graves

1035
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 2: swinging and slowing. Down nothing over. Here this is what we're.

1036
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: Doing and like from, That, okay so you win The. Heisman,

1037
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 2: yeah we come, back we Play oklahoma and The Cotton,

1038
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 2: bowl smashing. Smack, okay after, that that night after the

1039
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: game is the Infamous sparklers in the mouth with the

1040
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 2: dom and The burberry. Scars right after this is where

1041
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: like it, starts and it's like we just smacked our

1042
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: old rival in The big twelve And Jerry world in

1043
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: front of one hundred and five On New Year's. Day

1044
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 2: this is where the, ego this is where the you,

1045
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: know this is where you shift from you, Know Johnny

1046
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: manziel and The johnny, football the little, transition and then

1047
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: from there it's, mister It's johnny. Football.

1048
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 4: Yeah and now there's no more self.

1049
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: Doubt now there's no more self doubt BECAUSE i know

1050
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: What i'm doing in. PRACTICE i know What i'm doing

1051
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 2: WHEN i see cover two And i'm the whole. Shot

1052
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 2: i'm toying with them in. Practice they're, mad THEY i,

1053
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 2: mean the only thing they have on me in, practice

1054
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 2: and the setting That i'm seeing the live rep bullets

1055
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 2: fire is they can't tell when a sack happens in

1056
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: practice because we ain't sacking people. Right and you know

1057
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: in a, game you know, Practice i'm running and give

1058
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 2: somebody a little move And i'm just looking at him

1059
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 2: LIKE i ain't no way you're making that tackle on the, field.

1060
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: Buddy you can hop and hoop around and do your

1061
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 2: whole defensive thing all you. Want and you know out

1062
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: there under them, lights no chat ain't gonna, happen, brother it.

1063
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 2: Ain't it's not gonna, happen, Right and that's not me

1064
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: speaking out of my. ASS i got, film, RIGHT i

1065
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: got stuff to show you that LIKE i was more

1066
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 2: than what you THOUGHT i, was especially as a running.

1067
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: Quarterback john c fourteen hundred yards rushing in my freshman.

1068
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: Year it's documented.

1069
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: The first freshman IN ncaa history to pass for three

1070
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: thousand yards and carry and rush four thousand, yards and

1071
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: the same season the first player to pass for three

1072
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,959
Speaker 1: hundred yards of rush four hundred yards in the same

1073
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: game three, times Broke Archie manning's forty three old record

1074
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: for five hundred and toty yards except of a total

1075
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: offense with five seventy six. Owns all these freshman's record

1076
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 1: eleven and two ranked number five best since nineteen fifty.

1077
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: Six Beat oklahoma forty one thirteen in The Cotton, bowl

1078
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: produced five hundred and sixteen yards of offense four, touchdowns

1079
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: with the record two hundred and twenty nine yards. Rushing

1080
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: when you, look when you, do you understand at the

1081
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: time what you're actually.

1082
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: Doing when THE Espn heisman list came out about a

1083
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: week eight, nine that is WHEN i started to kind of,

1084
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 2: see like, whoa because this, is you, know my life

1085
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: growing up my boys WAS ncaa, football the video, game

1086
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 2: the road to, glory the road to The, heisman creating

1087
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 2: a player and being able to go do these. Things

1088
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: pick your, school go to the you, know do all of.

1089
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 2: That and Now i'm living in, right so the focus

1090
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 2: doesn't shift to like getting The heisman and just focuses

1091
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: on like taking this team the heights that we haven't been,

1092
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: before and when you walk Into, Tuscaloosa alabama and do

1093
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: what happened that, day something that leaves a legacy twenty.

1094
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 2: Twelve it's twenty twelve years later WHERE i walk down

1095
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 2: the street every day in my life and somebody comes

1096
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 2: up and dips me up and goes fifteen and a

1097
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: half point Underdogs. Alabama will never forget that day for

1098
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: the rest of my. Life that's what kind of impact

1099
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: that day hat on college. Football AND i hear it every,

1100
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: day see it every.

1101
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: Day you See alabama on the schedule and you're on

1102
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: The heisman watch. List you mentioned your fifteen point underdogs

1103
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: that you understand What alabama. Is that's coach Saban you

1104
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: know the dogs that he has on that. Roster you

1105
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,479
Speaker 1: know the dogs that he sends to THE nfl every

1106
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: year multiple what's going through your? Mind do you ever, think,

1107
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: man IF i can go To, alabama IF i can

1108
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: go To tuscaloosa and Beat. Bama, ooh they got to

1109
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: to take. NOTICE i can't think like.

1110
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 2: That can't think like that and be successful because you're

1111
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 2: putting pressure on yourself that's. Unneeded, OKAY i got ninety

1112
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 2: five percent of the country the Saying alabama's gonna beat.

1113
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: Us what do we have to? Lose? RIGHT i remember

1114
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 2: being on the bus on the way of the game

1115
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: and putting on the movie three. Hundred this part comes

1116
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: on where it's give to them nothing but take from.

1117
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 2: Them every single, thing, Everything and that was my mindset

1118
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 2: going into the game that like everybody in this stadium

1119
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 2: expects you to. Lose everybody in the state is rooting against.

1120
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: You we got maybe twenty thirty thousand Loyal aggies scattered

1121
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 2: through about in the. Stands we already lost two games that.

1122
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: Year what's the third gonna? Do you? Know we're out

1123
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 2: of THE sec, Title we're out of you, know the

1124
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 2: national championship. Conversation let's just try and go. Ball And

1125
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 2: Cliff kingsbury put together an unbelievable game plan for us

1126
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 2: offensively that highlighted our, strengths that kept us from being

1127
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 2: too vulnerable in a defense like. That and for the

1128
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: first half of that, game they don't know what the

1129
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: fuck is going. On we're running option with go routes

1130
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 2: and all we are just unleashing The Cliff kingsbury like

1131
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 2: creativeness of a football playbook for an air. Raid you,

1132
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 2: know this wasn't Old Mike leach air. Raid this wasn't

1133
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: anything That lincoln was doing. Wherever this was just its

1134
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 2: own subtle thing or own you, know a particular, thing

1135
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 2: right that Was taylor to me being able to run

1136
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 2: the ball the way THAT i could as well as

1137
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: having an unbelievable like offensive line to be able to

1138
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: handle what they were throwing to. Us luke Jokl Jake,

1139
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 2: Matthews cedric a. Boy these are all first round picks

1140
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 2: in THE nfl and some really really solid, players.

1141
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: Right, WOW i forgot you guys had that kind of offensive. Line,

1142
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: yeah so that's why they were able to hold. Up

1143
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: joko was the number two pick in the. DRAFT i

1144
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: Think Jake matthews with a top ten pick in the.

1145
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 4: Draft you guys were.

1146
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: Loaded Mike Evans swoops was very. Underrated Mike evans and

1147
00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: that's somebody that. Man what a brother to. Me, Man

1148
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 2: it makes me even emotionally even think about. It we

1149
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: got to come in at the same time in red

1150
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: shirt and that red shirt year we were tearing their

1151
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 2: ass up on The scott so much THAT i went

1152
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 2: to my locker one day later in the year and

1153
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 2: they took my red jersey so they couldn't hit, me

1154
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 2: and they put a black jersey on me to be

1155
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: able to smack me in. Practice because me And mike

1156
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: were doing our thing we were. Doing we were starting

1157
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 2: that recipe at that. Pot we were starting to cook

1158
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: and then as that year goes, on that red shirt

1159
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: freshman year that we played. Together you start to see

1160
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: a kid who's like a man amongst boys out there

1161
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 2: and like really six' five with, that frame like he

1162
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: was always what, he was but that confidence that started

1163
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 2: to grow. In him me and him had this telepathy

1164
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: same way you probably had with a quarterback back in,

1165
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 2: the day where it's just like that was a, route, right.

1166
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 2: Quick easy he, knew everything and me and him had

1167
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: that relationship that was like so special and it will

1168
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: never be taken. From us, YOU know i can sit

1169
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: here and talk to him and still do the. Same

1170
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 2: signals it's twelve. YEARS later i can throw a. Peace

1171
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 2: sign he's gonna go to the crib is what that means.

1172
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: Every time so, you know to have a special bomb

1173
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 2: with somebody, like that, that kid, that guy that man

1174
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 2: means means the fucking world.

1175
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: To Me when alabama started to, come back you looked

1176
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: at reporter, you Said f alabama sabor and that you

1177
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: were going.

1178
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 4: To score why were you?

1179
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: So confident why because, the crowd the crowd had gotten back,

1180
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: in it, they're going hey wire defense just.

1181
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 4: A freshmen why.

1182
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: Were you so confident that you were going to get

1183
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: this football and you were going to go down and feel.

1184
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 2: The, score yeah well the first you know half of,

1185
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 2: that game, you know, first quarter were up twenty. To

1186
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 2: nothing so that stadium you can hear a. Pin Drop

1187
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: and tuscaloosa doesn't get like that. Very much. IF ever

1188
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: i mean you can count on both your hands how

1189
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 2: many times they've lost since twenty ten for the. Most,

1190
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 2: Part yes so confidence in what we. Were doing, you

1191
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: know are we lost our first game of the Year, to,

1192
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: florida cool first game of. The. Year whatever then we

1193
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 2: get UP on lsu and we end up blowing that

1194
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: GAME where i feel like we really should. Have won

1195
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: that was our turning point in. The season, after that

1196
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 2: we started to get together and come together that we

1197
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: didn't want, to be, you know the weak link of.

1198
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 2: This team we needed that offense and who we had

1199
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: to be the catalyst to be the center point of.

1200
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 2: That team and we needed our defense just to kind of.

1201
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: Hold on so as much As the tuscaloosa In the

1202
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: alabama game is about me and, the offense it's not

1203
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 2: THE way i look. At it our defense got, multiple

1204
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: stops got to pick late on like the last drive

1205
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 2: is there on the eight yard line to go in

1206
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 2: and take. The lead that. Changes things we get, a

1207
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 2: pick we get the, ball out and then there's fifty

1208
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 2: seconds left in. The game we are on like third.

1209
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 2: And seven saban has a, Time out we run a,

1210
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 2: run play we get. Like four we're backed up on our.

1211
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 2: Own twenty so it's. Punt time now we're gonna punt

1212
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: it TO who, i mean could HAVE been i could

1213
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 2: Have Been, amari cooper whoever they. Have back there was

1214
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 2: a menace and we had put this play in a

1215
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: whole week of a special team's punt scenario where we

1216
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: go on the. Hard count it's third, and four we go,

1217
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 2: hard count, they jump we, touch them, first down. Might

1218
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 2: drop so you have. Your offense what we did in the,

1219
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 2: first half we scored twenty in the. First quarter we

1220
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 2: only scored nine the rest of. The game we're hanging

1221
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 2: on for. Dear life you know the plays that we

1222
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 2: made on that one. Score drive the six points we

1223
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 2: scored the second half was off, a turnover wheel route down,

1224
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 2: the sideline dine, corner route next play dome two plays

1225
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 2: touchdown like very opportunistic and going with the flow of.

1226
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 2: The game and then you seal the game with the special.

1227
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 2: Teams play so you, got, offense defense. Special teams we

1228
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 2: walk in another locker Room in tuscaloosa and we burned that.

1229
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 2: Thing down total, team win, total completely without, a doubt total.

1230
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: Team win if they Have The College football playoff in,

1231
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: twenty eleven you got HAVE and A and m.

1232
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 2: Gets it do you believe y'all win the? National championship

1233
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 2: we Gotta play? Bama, Again probably so that's another like knock.

1234
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 2: IT out i think we have a very. GOOD chance

1235
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 2: i think we. Got better and even From the, tuscalosa

1236
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 2: Game the alabama game up Until The. Cotton Bowl The

1237
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 2: cotton bowl is our best showing of the. Entire, year yeah,

1238
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 2: oh yeah y'all put, it, together man and. We did

1239
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 2: and that's just where. Are like that was the pinnacle

1240
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 2: of what our team was, that year and we showed

1241
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Speaker 1: you Go To new york For the heisman ceremony and

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Speaker 1: you're Up Against manta teo and did and you know

1264
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:47,680
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01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,959
Speaker 4: About? That so how was he during?

1267
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 2: That? Time amazing and his parents and family the way

1268
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,400
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1271
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Speaker 2: you know we were close throughout, that, WEEK right i

1272
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 2: thought his family. WAS amazing I thought manti. Was amazing,

1273
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Speaker 2: YOU know i didn't know anything about whatever anything else

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01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:17,479
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1275
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 2: those times we even played against each OTHER when i

1276
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 2: Was in cleveland and he Was In. SAN diego, i

1277
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 2: think so we always had a. Good relationship, YOU know

1278
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 2: i always respected him for, you know what he stood

1279
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: for and who he was as a person and who his. Family,

1280
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 2: Was right.

1281
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: I'm going back and up looking at guys that have

1282
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: Won the heisman FROM. The sec you Look At, Joe Burrow,

1283
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, Tim, Tebow Kyler Murray. Baker mayfield you were

1284
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: the first freshman to ever, win it and you ACCUMULATED

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Speaker 1: the sec record then forty six yards of a total,

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Speaker 1: lock beans where would you put yourself if We're having

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Speaker 1: if we're having a College and i'm not go TO

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Speaker 1: the nfl because obviously the guys with the, Prototypical size

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Speaker 1: but where would You think Johnny Manziel See heisman trophy

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Speaker 1: season would rank among those Guys, behind Burroughs, behind burrow

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Speaker 1: but in front, of camp no WHAT about i would.

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Speaker 2: Say, for me in, My Opinion joe burrow's is probably

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Speaker 2: The best heisman season to. Ever happened and that's, just

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Speaker 2: like look at the numbers if it's not even a

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Speaker 2: comparison for and the swagger and what he did, it

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Speaker 2: WITH and i THINK it's i think it's a. NO brainer, i,

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Speaker 2: THINK yeah i agree Him and barry somewhere out there

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Speaker 2: at the top stand alone type. Of thing cam for

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Speaker 2: me is of. Cultural importance and, you know coming In

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Speaker 2: From Blynn junior college and Going, TO auburn i remember

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Speaker 2: that and they played The team OREGON that i was

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Speaker 2: committed to at, The time so it leaves an impact

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Speaker 2: and the memory. On ME and I Love cam newton to,

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Speaker 2: the max love what he, stands for love what he what,

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Speaker 2: He's about love him to death and Always have he,

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Speaker 2: Knows that AND so, i think, You Go, JOE burrow

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Speaker 2: i think You, know cam And then i'm right, below

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Speaker 2: THAT and I respect Baker's and kyler's and you can

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Speaker 2: nitpick all this all, you want because at the end of,

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Speaker 2: the day it's all about getting to that Stage In

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Speaker 2: new york and getting. That trophy, right now you're splitting

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Speaker 2: hairs on who's greater, than who and all collectively as,

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Speaker 2: a whole we're, fucking Badass.

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Speaker 1: Right this concludes the first half of. My conversation part

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Speaker 1: two is also posted and you can access it to

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Speaker 1: whichever podcast platform you just listen to part. One on

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Speaker 1: just simply go back To club shashay Profile and i'll see.

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