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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on
Speaker 2: the show, we are running Jared Sheffler through our what
Speaker 2: would you Do? Gauntlet, which I will be presenting Jared
Speaker 2: with some of the toughest deer hunting situations I can
Speaker 2: think of to see exactly how we handle it. All right,
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Speaker 2: it out over at first Light dot com. And today's episode,
Speaker 2: we are continuing the What would You Do? Series. Today's
Speaker 2: guest is Jared Scheffler, and I'm gonna give you some
Speaker 2: background on Jared and some background on the series just
Speaker 2: in case you're new the series. The what would you
Speaker 2: Do Gauntlet basically entails me running really good deer hunters
Speaker 2: through a series of hypothetical deer hunting situations. So I
Speaker 2: try to present a very specific situation, some certain circumstances like, hey,
Speaker 2: you're going to be in this state with these conditions
Speaker 2: at this time of year, and here's what's going on.
Speaker 2: What would you do? Why would you do that? How
Speaker 2: would you do that? That's the kind of stuff we're
Speaker 2: going for. And the whole the idea behind this is
Speaker 2: just to get a different way of learning from these people. Right,
Speaker 2: there's all sorts of hunting podcasts out there. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of these people who have been heard from on
Speaker 2: many of these podcasts many times. So I'm trying to
Speaker 2: find new ways that we can learn, new ways that
Speaker 2: we can grow and gain experience from these people's stories,
Speaker 2: you know, explanations and lessons. So that's what we're trying
Speaker 2: to achieve here today. And like I mentioned, the guest,
Speaker 2: our guest today is Jared Scheffler from Whitetail Adrenaline. If
Speaker 2: he haven't seen Whitetail Adrenaline, this is some different kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. This is a style of hunting that is aggressive,
Speaker 2: that is mobile, and is essentially all on the ground.
Speaker 2: Jared kind of pioneered a lot of this stuff over
Speaker 2: the last I don't know, maybe fifteen plus years now
Speaker 2: with his videos showing you know, very aggressive hunting techniques
Speaker 2: on the ground with a bow, sometimes just stalking up
Speaker 2: on white tails, sometimes setting up on the ground and
Speaker 2: ambushing white tails in this kind of way, sometimes using
Speaker 2: a handheld tacoy. Jared's very good at what he does,
Speaker 2: and what I want to do today was understand a
Speaker 2: little bit more of how and why he does what
Speaker 2: he does. So, as I mentioned, presenting him with a
Speaker 2: bunch of different situations, some of these out in the
Speaker 2: planes where he does a lot of stuff. Sometimes back
Speaker 2: in more challenging scenarios like back east or in the
Speaker 2: Upper Midwest, timber, open country, good conditions, bad conditions. I
Speaker 2: try to get Jared to kind of consider all these
Speaker 2: scenarios so that we deer hunters that maybe have a
Speaker 2: difference that of circumstances can still take something from Jared.
Speaker 2: So I would encourage you, even if you are, you know,
Speaker 2: always a tree stand hunter or always a saddle hunter,
Speaker 2: give this one a listen. Consider some of these new ideas.
Speaker 2: Consider the thought process that Jared puts into his strategy.
Speaker 2: Even if you think this stuff's crazy. Hunting on the ground,
Speaker 2: slipping around, stalking in on deer, or calling deer in
Speaker 2: on the ground, or using a decoy. If all that
Speaker 2: sounds a little out there, I would still encourage you
Speaker 2: to give this one a listen and think about is
Speaker 2: there any way that this could inform what I do
Speaker 2: to make myself better? Is there any little trick you
Speaker 2: can take from here? Is there anything you can take
Speaker 2: from his scenario that might be different than yours? And
Speaker 2: do this thing we've talked about, like parallel thinking, you know,
Speaker 2: take an idea from one world and apply it to
Speaker 2: your world. And I think that's something we can all
Speaker 2: do here with Jared. Not to mention, just try some
Speaker 2: of the stuff he's talking about, just the way he
Speaker 2: talks about it too. I mean, for many years I
Speaker 2: thought I was stuck in a tree and had to
Speaker 2: have a perfectly prepared situation to kill a deer. Once
Speaker 2: I started trying some of these things to myself, I
Speaker 2: came to realize that it is much more possible than
Speaker 2: you realize to kill a deer on the ground without
Speaker 2: a blind with a bow in the open. It just
Speaker 2: takes some experience. It takes ripping the band aid off
Speaker 2: and trying new things. Tony and I talk about this
Speaker 2: a lot, right, try new things, if for no other
Speaker 2: reason than the fact you are going to learn, you
Speaker 2: are going to grow. And I guarantee you what Jared
Speaker 2: proposes here, what he discusses, if you try even a
Speaker 2: tenth of that, you will learn some new stuff. So
Speaker 2: that's my long winded way of pitching you on this one.
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna enjoy it. Great guy, interesting guy.
Speaker 2: If you haven't checked out his videos, you should. They're wild,
Speaker 2: they're entertaining. I can't believe some of the stuff they do.
Speaker 2: So I hope you enjoy our chat here with Jared.
Speaker 2: I hope your season is going well if you have
Speaker 2: started already, if you're one of the lucky ones with
Speaker 2: a September opener, and if not, man, we are getting
Speaker 2: close to October as we speak, at least when this
Speaker 2: episode comes out. I am in Alaska right now, but
Speaker 2: hopefully I'll be back from that safe and sound here
Speaker 2: and chomping a bit and ready to rock and roll
Speaker 2: White Tails in a matter of days. So without further ado,
Speaker 2: let's get to my chap with Jared. All right here
Speaker 2: with me back on the show is mister Jared Scheffler. Jared,
Speaker 2: thank you for being here.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to have you on this one. We've done
Speaker 2: this mini series over the last like three or four years,
Speaker 2: I think has proven to be one that folks really enjoy.
Speaker 2: It's fun for me because you get this different kind
Speaker 2: of look at how people do things and why people
Speaker 2: do things. And you're someone who already is so unique
Speaker 2: compared to a lot of other folks in the hunting
Speaker 2: world that getting your unique take in this unique format
Speaker 2: I think is going to be a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: So well, there's more than one way, you know.
Speaker 4: I love it because there's a lot of different strategies
Speaker 4: and angles that work, you know, and we do something
Speaker 4: that's maybe not as mainstream or whatnot, but it works
Speaker 4: good for us. So I'll let you continue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I think that's that's a perfect way
Speaker 2: to describe what you do and why this is I
Speaker 2: think a good way to dive into it. And I
Speaker 2: gotta say, I've been watching rewatching some of your videos
Speaker 2: and have my sons watching with me, and and they
Speaker 2: have started to refer to you as like the crazy guy,
Speaker 2: Like that guy's crazy. So I think that they're catching
Speaker 2: on to what many other folks have said when they
Speaker 2: see some of the stuff you do, which is maybe
Speaker 2: a little crazy to some people, but awfully effective, and
Speaker 2: so I'm excited to dig into it. So it's all
Speaker 2: that said, I want to be respectful of your time.
Speaker 2: You got a lot going on. It's you know, fall
Speaker 2: is very quickly approaching. So do you feel like you
Speaker 2: understand the game plan here with this what would you
Speaker 2: do series? Are you game to get through it?
Speaker 3: I think?
Speaker 2: So, all right, we're gonna We're gonna start with some
Speaker 2: soft balls and then kind of move our way through.
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, so let's imagine this first scenario. This
Speaker 2: is this is going to help us understand kind of
Speaker 2: how your mind, how you get your mind right and
Speaker 2: ready for a hunt. Let's imagine that this coming fall,
Speaker 2: you are going to go on a brand new hunt,
Speaker 2: brand new location. So this is some You're in hunt
Speaker 2: of public land you've never been to before, in a
Speaker 2: region you've never spent any time in before. You do
Speaker 2: not get to go see this property or this area
Speaker 2: at all before the hunt, so you're gonna have zero
Speaker 2: physical experience heading into it. It will be a one
Speaker 2: week hunt and it's going to be somewhere in the
Speaker 2: Midwest Great Plains, Ish region, So going to be kind
Speaker 2: of in your sweet spot, but a new spot within that.
Speaker 2: What I would like to know this is going to
Speaker 2: be an early season hunt. What will you do before
Speaker 2: the hunt?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 2: What is what e scouting or map studying or prep
Speaker 2: work do you have to have done before this hunt starts?
Speaker 2: Tell me that for early season?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 3: Can I ask one question?
Speaker 4: Is this based on public land or knock on door
Speaker 4: and public or.
Speaker 2: Oh well, you know what if you wanna if you
Speaker 2: want to throw on some knock on door, that's that's
Speaker 2: available to too, I'll say you're as you say, uncuffed.
Speaker 2: You can do some private, you can do some public.
Speaker 2: I'll let you go whichever way you want with.
Speaker 4: That, okay. And the reason I ask is because the
Speaker 4: first thing I'm going to do is get an idea
Speaker 4: of if there's public in a particular area, that is
Speaker 4: it like a state wide tag or am I pinned
Speaker 4: down to like a general region of the state kind
Speaker 4: of thing too?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean some some states operate like that.
Speaker 4: So I'm going to pull up on X or whatever
Speaker 4: map service that's going to show what's available for public land.
Speaker 4: Get just a I'm not looking at aerials or anything.
Speaker 4: At this point, just how much acres do I have
Speaker 4: to work with? Is there a lot?
Speaker 3: Is there?
Speaker 4: Sometimes the better stuff is where there's not a lot,
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's, oh, you've got one hundred and
Speaker 4: sixty acres and the next piece of public is ten
Speaker 4: or fifteen miles away, and that sometimes is a little
Speaker 4: gem that people don't want to go out of the
Speaker 4: way for. So I'm just kind of going to take
Speaker 4: a brief and it's it's going to take probably five
Speaker 4: minutes to just kind of scrub around the read. Okay,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of public here. If it's early season
Speaker 4: like that, I'm gonna then go in and just spend
Speaker 4: just a little bit of time and I'm saying not much,
Speaker 4: probably a half hour to an hour tops maybe on
Speaker 4: my drive out even and just kind of like look
Speaker 4: and see what the crops, you know, see see what
Speaker 4: the ails look like for crops. Because it's early season,
Speaker 4: so those deer are most likely going to be using crops,
Speaker 4: and it doesn't necessarily need to be crops on public,
Speaker 4: but at least adjacent to public that those deer may
Speaker 4: be betting on the public and then using private crops
Speaker 4: as well, so you know, some states have good amount
Speaker 4: of crop on public lands, some don't, But that doesn't
Speaker 4: mean that the deer aren't residing on public in early
Speaker 4: season before they've been pressured and then using those private
Speaker 4: land crops. So that's gonna kind of just narrow things
Speaker 4: down of maybe my starting point from the vehicle when
Speaker 4: I get to that area, then what I'm going to
Speaker 4: do is I'm going to spend probably that first early
Speaker 4: season gets to be long days, and depending on the
Speaker 4: state in the area, it's not real productive in the
Speaker 4: middle of the day to be driving around other than
Speaker 4: if you're just trying to see what the terrain and
Speaker 4: everything looks like. But even on trying to gauge if
Speaker 4: there's other hunters, that's you know, I mean sometimes early
Speaker 4: season like that, guys are all amped up and they're
Speaker 4: set in tree stands in the middle of the day
Speaker 4: and stuff. So sometimes I mean those drive rounds, but
Speaker 4: we used to do a ton of that in North Dakota,
Speaker 4: and a lot of times in the middle of the
Speaker 4: day you just mentally go down a rabbit hole and
Speaker 4: then you know, a couple hours before dark, it's like
Speaker 4: that's your time to you know, at least. What we
Speaker 4: normally do on those hunts in early season is we
Speaker 4: hang back. We don't generally go in with a plan
Speaker 4: of attack based on aerials out of the gate. We'll
Speaker 4: hang back that first day or two and try to
Speaker 4: cover ground and get visuals on those deer in the
Speaker 4: morning and evening. You know, in some states and reagion
Speaker 4: into those deer are going to be more active in
Speaker 4: the morning, and depending on the you know, all the
Speaker 4: other you know, moon stuff and stormfronts and things like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of variables in there.
Speaker 4: We don't need to go down, but sometimes, I mean
Speaker 4: I was quite surprised when I first started going to
Speaker 4: North Dakota back in early two thousands and how productive
Speaker 4: it was to hunt them in the mornings. You know,
Speaker 4: I wasn't used to that in Wisconsin. I mean, it
Speaker 4: was it was more nighttime in Wisconsin in early season. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, your success rate was a lot higher, at
Speaker 4: least in the early season in Wisconsin. So when I
Speaker 4: got to North Dakota, it's like I'd see shooter bucks
Speaker 4: still two hours after the sun came up, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: WHOA cool. I was going out there thinking, you know,
Speaker 4: and I've so it varies on the state, but I
Speaker 4: mean essentially those first couple of days and it might
Speaker 4: drift into three days, is going to be used to
Speaker 4: really just eliminate acreage and fine, you're you know, in
Speaker 4: those particular cases open country like that, trying to get
Speaker 4: a visual on a big one or multiple by that point.
Speaker 4: Usually on those early season hunts like that, usually there's
Speaker 4: a few good bucks depending on the you know, every
Speaker 4: hunt's different. Sometimes it goes that way, sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 4: But then that's when it's like, Okay, now we're going
Speaker 4: to move in. We've eliminated a lot of wasted time
Speaker 4: in pockets that maybe wouldn't be holding a big deer,
Speaker 4: and and so now we're going to go in and
Speaker 4: hunt more a specific deer or there could be a
Speaker 4: couple of shooters right in there, but we're going to
Speaker 4: start to move in more aggressively. At that point. We're
Speaker 4: not going to go in there trumpson around in the
Speaker 4: middle of the day and do any of that.
Speaker 3: We're not going in.
Speaker 4: Until it's like hunt time. They're not going to know
Speaker 4: we're coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's let's rewind back to pre hunt. Still, Okay,
Speaker 2: so same scenario, new new area, new hunt, everything, but
Speaker 2: instead of early season, let's move up the eight to
Speaker 2: like mid to late October. Does any of your pre
Speaker 2: hunt planning changes, any of the scouting? Do you look
Speaker 2: for anything different with maps? Do you look for anything
Speaker 2: different or playing anything different? If the date is mid
Speaker 2: to late October?
Speaker 4: Are we still talking about like the plane states?
Speaker 2: Yep, everything's the same.
Speaker 3: Ye, not much changes.
Speaker 4: I might not put as much focus on on the
Speaker 4: UH food source. I may not put quite as much
Speaker 4: emphasis on necessarily that, because by that point, quite often
Speaker 4: there's some amounts of pressure that those deer have been getting,
Speaker 4: whether it's pheasant seasons that opened up, or small game
Speaker 4: or pre scouters or early season bowl hunters, and you
Speaker 4: know that they start to get a lot of activity.
Speaker 4: So those deer begin to travel longer distance. In those
Speaker 4: plane states, it's not uncommon form to be vetting a
Speaker 4: mile a mile and a half from where they're actually
Speaker 4: maybe even two miles at times from where they're actually feeding.
Speaker 4: And so I won't put quite as much emphasis. And
Speaker 4: I may look for pockets that are further from from
Speaker 4: any crop, but I don't put quite as much emphasis
Speaker 4: they generally are from what I've found further.
Speaker 3: From that crop source.
Speaker 4: The later the season gets, you know, obviously on rutkicks
Speaker 4: in a lot of things change.
Speaker 2: But so then that's my last thing is okay, now,
Speaker 2: what if I said this is going to be November,
Speaker 2: do you look for anything different for planning the rut hunt.
Speaker 4: I pretty much don't look at crop at all for
Speaker 4: any any any of that because those plaine states.
Speaker 3: You know that second year we did the Kansas planes,
Speaker 3: and I mean they are where we were at in
Speaker 3: that particular time. There is planes as you can get
Speaker 3: pretty much almost And there was one big mature buck
Speaker 3: during the rut and when I went back and edited
Speaker 3: the footage, it turned out we had filmed that buck.
Speaker 3: I think we filmed them on all these occasions, but
Speaker 3: for surely seeing them as well in eleven different square
Speaker 3: mile sections. So that told me the range of those deer,
Speaker 3: how far they can you know they're they're And even
Speaker 3: I've come to learn more on the wooded side too,
Speaker 3: even in northern Wisconsin. It's you know, I've had multiple
Speaker 3: guys that have a trail camp picture of the same
Speaker 3: bucks six miles apart, five six miles apart in the
Speaker 3: timber that you know. So you know, in those earlier
Speaker 3: days of the plains, I just kind of assumed those
Speaker 3: deer covered more ground than you're you're wooded.
Speaker 4: You know you're you're wooded, but I don't know as
Speaker 4: they necessarily do. I shot a buck back in five
Speaker 4: that turned out a guy had been chasing and that
Speaker 4: was pretty wooded stuff, pretty wooded terrain stuff in Wisconsin.
Speaker 4: I killed the buck and a guy was chasing him
Speaker 4: about five six miles away, and that's where the buck
Speaker 4: actually normally lived and it was late season when I
Speaker 4: killed them.
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm getting sidetracked a little bit.
Speaker 4: But in those plain states when it comes to the rut,
Speaker 4: I'm not looking at crop.
Speaker 2: So on the maps, is there anything that you mentioned
Speaker 2: you'd look for a little bit more isolated cover for
Speaker 2: that October hunt? Does anything like that register on the maps?
Speaker 2: When you're thinking, Okay, I'm gonna go this area. I
Speaker 2: know I'm gonna drive around a lot in Glass do
Speaker 2: you try to come into that trip with a list
Speaker 2: of here's like ten properties I know or ten areas
Speaker 2: I know I want to hit, and here's like a
Speaker 2: bunch of spots that happen to have the pockets to cover.
Speaker 2: I want to do not worry about that at all,
Speaker 2: because you're just gonna cover ground and figure it out
Speaker 2: in the fly.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't like to get too pre invested on
Speaker 4: what I see on areos. I just don't because I
Speaker 4: get there and then it's like you got hunting pressure,
Speaker 4: you aren't ape and that totally changes everything because no
Speaker 4: matter how good it looks on the aerial, if there's
Speaker 4: pressure there, you know, you know, most of the time
Speaker 4: a mature buck is not going to be there. You know,
Speaker 4: there are occasions where where that happens. You know, for instance,
Speaker 4: I'll give a couple examples. One one instance would be,
Speaker 4: you know, a buck that's been heavily spending his time
Speaker 4: and living his time three miles away on private not
Speaker 4: getting pressured, that has no idea that this public skin
Speaker 4: been getting pressured the last month and a half. May
Speaker 4: come stroll him through there, find a hot dough or
Speaker 4: push a hot dough into there, and he's in the
Speaker 4: midst of a piece that's been pressured all year but
Speaker 4: doesn't know it. So there are flukes like that that
Speaker 4: that come up. Another example of that that crossed my mind. God,
Speaker 4: I lost my point, so we should probably keep rolling.
Speaker 4: But it was there was another example I had, so.
Speaker 2: I believe you.
Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: We're talking about the plane states where those deer they
Speaker 4: can cover some ground, they can get away from from
Speaker 4: pressure pockets. You know, you get into those higher pressured states,
Speaker 4: like you're in Michigan. Now, I haven't hunted Michigan, but
Speaker 4: I've gathered enough intel over the years to understand that
Speaker 4: it's a highly pressured state. You know, I came from Wisconsin.
Speaker 4: It's a very very pressured state. Probably not quite as
Speaker 4: pressured overall as Michigan. But now those deer can are there,
Speaker 4: but they're used to getting bumped around all the time,
Speaker 4: and they're finding little tiny pockets to a lot of
Speaker 4: times to live in, and so they might I think
Speaker 4: they got a higher higher tolerance those deer do for pressure.
Speaker 4: They're willing to handle, you know more and and jivjive
Speaker 4: and and and whatnot. Whereas you get into those areas
Speaker 4: where they have a lot of ground that isn't pressured,
Speaker 4: they don't tolerat it as much. They just get the
Speaker 4: hell out of there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, true. You mentioned at the beginning with that
Speaker 2: early season hunt. That day one, you would be cruising
Speaker 2: the back roads, right, You'd be cruising looking for where
Speaker 2: there's other pressure, looking for a deer, trying to find
Speaker 2: a couple of shooters, start crossing spots off the map,
Speaker 2: trying to figure out where you're gonna focus. So that
Speaker 2: would be your early season day one. Would your day
Speaker 2: one be any different if it was? Or I'm sure
Speaker 2: it is, But how is your early Let me rephrase this,
Speaker 2: how is your day one different? If we're on the
Speaker 2: new property not new property, new area. It's November. It's
Speaker 2: very cold, but it's very still. So imagine this is
Speaker 2: day one of your trip. We're somewhere in the planes
Speaker 2: or Midwest. It's November, twenty four degrees zero wind. What
Speaker 2: does the first day of this hunt like for you
Speaker 2: in that set of circumstances.
Speaker 4: Uh, not terribly much different generally speaking, first day, new area.
Speaker 4: I'm still gonna I'm still gonna do pretty much that
Speaker 4: I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hang back and just kind of see what's
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 4: And and sometimes there's still days like that during the rut,
Speaker 4: it's like you can gather a lot of information and
Speaker 4: you know it's a great time to catch a big,
Speaker 4: big buck hung up with a dough on, you know,
Speaker 4: and and then you know you might she might be
Speaker 4: just coming into heat and you got three days to
Speaker 4: play with them, and you know, unless something like pressure
Speaker 4: moves in on that specific dear, a lot of times
Speaker 4: they're not gonna be that far away once they get that.
Speaker 3: You know, it depends.
Speaker 4: It's in the great planes where it's really wide open
Speaker 4: and there's not as much cover and pocket those deer
Speaker 4: can end up a long ways away from one day
Speaker 4: to the next, even when that dough is hot. But
Speaker 4: now you get into some of the more Midwest stuff,
Speaker 4: you know, Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin. And I shouldn't speak for Illinois.
Speaker 4: I don't have experience there, but the terrain is not
Speaker 4: much too terribly different than some of you know the
Speaker 4: Iowa Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: Now, if there's enough cover and whatnot. There what we.
Speaker 4: Found is those deer, once a big buckets locked on
Speaker 4: a dough a lot of times, if he's a real
Speaker 4: mature buck, he can just drive off all the satellite
Speaker 4: bucks and that dough is pretty content being with them,
Speaker 4: and usually in less pressure comes in and disrupts it.
Speaker 3: And if she's just coming in.
Speaker 4: Usually they don't end up too far away over that
Speaker 4: two three day period. Now in the planes with a
Speaker 4: wide open planes, like I said, totally different story. I mean,
Speaker 4: satellite buck could come in and you can watch him
Speaker 4: run for a mile mile and a half. So yeah, So.
Speaker 2: What about that first situation. I want to dip in
Speaker 2: that a little bit further. Let's say we're in the midwest,
Speaker 2: Iowa or Wisconsin or something like that, and let's say
Speaker 2: you had your day one drive about and you spotted
Speaker 2: a mature buck locked on a dough. It's a super still,
Speaker 2: quiet day, and for whatever reason, I guess I have
Speaker 2: two parts. Number one, if it's a super still day
Speaker 2: like that and you spot them and it's getting towards
Speaker 2: the end of the evening, would you try to make
Speaker 2: a move on something or would you say, well, I'll
Speaker 2: wait till tomorrow because there's a little bit more wind
Speaker 2: and slightly better conditioned. So that's question number one. And
Speaker 2: then question number two is if you lose sight of
Speaker 2: that deer at dark, what does the next morning look like? Again,
Speaker 2: it's Midwest, mixed cover and lightish wins the next morning,
Speaker 2: So Part one, Part two questions.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to answer the part two question first,
Speaker 4: just so it's in because part two is if it
Speaker 4: comes to dark, and I mean the next morning, we're
Speaker 4: gonna be hunkered pretty close, probably not on foot, depending
Speaker 4: on the situation, Probably not on foot, probably in the vehicle.
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean that we might not hike a couple
Speaker 4: hundred yards to a high point where we can really
Speaker 4: you know, and maybe it's five hundred yards to a
Speaker 4: high point, but we're gonna be things could have changed overnight.
Speaker 4: You know, they'll probably be in the vicinity, but it's
Speaker 4: probably gonna be I shouldn't say probably. There's a decent
Speaker 4: chance they'll be somewhere in that four or five six
Speaker 4: hundred yards. They could be right right there, you know. So, uh,
Speaker 4: that's what we're going to do in that particular case,
Speaker 4: rolling back to point one, very still, calm conditions, not
Speaker 4: a lot of time left in the day to make
Speaker 4: it happen. That's gonna be situations, situationally based.
Speaker 3: Because there's.
Speaker 4: When you got a big buck that's on a hot
Speaker 4: dough like that, and Chancey is phenomenal at this being
Speaker 4: able to recognize that those just coming into heat or
Speaker 4: she's probably on day three of heat and she's probably
Speaker 4: gonna be out by tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2: Explain that that it's.
Speaker 3: It's really hard to explain. He would be better at that.
Speaker 4: But I've watched him, whether I'm with him or editing
Speaker 4: the footage, I've watched him pick up on things and
Speaker 4: he doesn't necessarily always just explain it, but he's usually
Speaker 4: very accurate on that. And so, I mean, a few
Speaker 4: years back, he had a big one that he found,
Speaker 4: I think that was day one. He found it and
Speaker 4: it was hung up with a dough, and he read
Speaker 4: it right out of the gate, and he it was
Speaker 4: pretty fairly calmed conditions, and he he probably would have
Speaker 4: gotten more aggressive, but he read it right that that
Speaker 4: dough was just coming into heat, so he knew, Okay,
Speaker 4: that's a mature enough buck. He's not going to be
Speaker 4: too intimidated by satellite bucks and everything's going to get
Speaker 4: disrupted and he's going to end up a mile away.
Speaker 4: He's probably going to be pretty close the next day,
Speaker 4: so I'm not going to get too aggressive. And he
Speaker 4: he did it right. I mean that this game of
Speaker 4: on the ground, it's a constant passive aggressive, you know,
Speaker 4: and over the years you get it more and more honed,
Speaker 4: and there's a lot that goes into it.
Speaker 3: Now, if it appears.
Speaker 4: Let's say you got a three year old buck and
Speaker 4: let's say four and five year old bucks in this
Speaker 4: area are somewhat common, and you're already dealing with some
Speaker 4: satellite bucks that are poking around, and he's real aggressive
Speaker 4: and real you know, you can just read the book
Speaker 4: and he almost kind of feels maybe a little bit threatened,
Speaker 4: like he's not the dominant necessarily. Maybe it is a
Speaker 4: good time to move in and just try to make
Speaker 4: it happen, because that's an indicator right there that a
Speaker 4: lot's probably going to change overnight.
Speaker 3: And either.
Speaker 4: And if you're playing the public land game, there's always
Speaker 4: that risk too of are they even going to be
Speaker 4: on public the next day? You know, So there's a
Speaker 4: lot of factors in there that you know, I will
Speaker 4: say this though, sometimes we've taken chances with like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we got like a five percent chance this is gonna
Speaker 4: actually work, but we just kind of feel like there's
Speaker 4: no point in not trying because they're probably going to
Speaker 4: be on private the next day or whatever, and we've
Speaker 4: pulled it off or we've been so narrowly close, and
Speaker 4: it was just a slight little mistake on our end.
Speaker 3: In similar conditions to what you described, where there's like no.
Speaker 4: Win and it's like this is gonna be next to impossible,
Speaker 4: and then it's like, damn, we got that one, or
Speaker 4: we almost got that one. We were so close. And
Speaker 4: then there's been plenty of times where it's like, okay,
Speaker 4: you almost count your chickens before they hatch, like this
Speaker 4: should be a slam dunk, and then we get slapped
Speaker 4: in the face.
Speaker 2: So so what about this one? What about let's just
Speaker 2: paint this picture a little bit further. Let's say you
Speaker 2: had those conditions the night of you observe the buck
Speaker 2: with a dough, but for whatever reason, decide that you're
Speaker 2: not going to press the matter. You observe them for
Speaker 2: the last half hour of daylight. You watch them kind
Speaker 2: of just milling around this tall brushy stuff. Okay, there's
Speaker 2: like there's basically crp type fields, and then a few
Speaker 2: brush your draws in the area. You come back in
Speaker 2: the next morning. You said you would probably observe from
Speaker 2: a truck. Let's say you're on the side of a road,
Speaker 2: your glass and your glass and sure enough, you spot
Speaker 2: them five hundred yards away, and you spot them move
Speaker 2: down towards one of these draws and bed, you spot
Speaker 2: the two deer bedded. It's an hour after daylight, now
Speaker 2: dead still. You're five hundred and fifty yards away. It's
Speaker 2: November seventh, it's public land. And you've seen three other
Speaker 2: cars drive by on the road that have hunters in them.
Speaker 2: You haven't seen them stop. You haven't seen them get
Speaker 2: out to hunt this area. But you know, like, hey,
Speaker 2: there's pressure around. There's a big buck betted with a
Speaker 2: doll five hundred and fifty yards away. You watched them bed.
Speaker 2: It's crisp, it's still. Now what do you do? And
Speaker 2: I'll tell you the wind is subpar, Like the wind
Speaker 2: is kind of blowing ish towards them, like kind not
Speaker 2: straight at them from you. But you don't have the
Speaker 2: wind in your face.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, So the first thing I am gonna
Speaker 4: do is today we have the app, so tell us
Speaker 4: what the wind's gonna do throughout the day. And it's
Speaker 4: not always one hundred percent accurate. And then you got
Speaker 4: trains in there and stuff, but I'm at least gonna
Speaker 4: get an idea. Am I gonna get a fifteen to
Speaker 4: twenty mile an hour wind here in a few hours,
Speaker 4: is that win gonna switch? And I'm gonna take a
Speaker 4: look at all that, And that's only gonna take a
Speaker 4: couple of minutes to boom boom boom boom boom. Okay,
Speaker 4: all right, that's what we got to work with over
Speaker 4: the course of the day. And then you brought up
Speaker 4: the other hunters. Okay, so I'm assuming this buck is
Speaker 4: hunkered down. Okay, good, the hunters can't see them, you know. Okay,
Speaker 4: all right, we got them all messled in, so that's good.
Speaker 3: But being a buck with it hot though, all it's
Speaker 3: gonna take.
Speaker 4: Is a satellite buck, cruising buck to come in there
Speaker 4: and stir things up and they get on their feet
Speaker 4: and the hunter just happens to drive by and sees that.
Speaker 4: So it's it's kind of a risky deal to lay
Speaker 4: back too. So in this particular case, from what I you,
Speaker 4: without being in the exact situation, I'm probably going to
Speaker 4: try to get boots on the ground at least to
Speaker 4: get a little bit of a footing down right out
Speaker 4: of the you know, to get an edge on other hunters. Potentially.
Speaker 4: First thing I'm going to do if I'm doing that,
Speaker 4: is I'm going to get the vehicle parked in a
Speaker 4: way that doesn't appear that something's going on. Like you know,
Speaker 4: if I park the vehicle right along the road and
Speaker 4: there's a parking lot three hundred yards up the road,
Speaker 4: it sends like a message any hunter driving by, like, Oh,
Speaker 4: something's going on around here. And then all of a
Speaker 4: sudden people are slow rolling through there, doingmultiple passes, maybe
Speaker 4: parking and stopping, and and that could totally disrupt them
Speaker 4: when they're vetted, just by the sound of the vehicle
Speaker 4: or just by visual maybe that the deer can see
Speaker 4: the vehicle and then it stops and it makes them
Speaker 4: all fidgety.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to get that vehicle.
Speaker 4: Away from the situation a bit and parked in a
Speaker 4: way that you're playing defense a lot of times here,
Speaker 4: you know, because you're trying to buy some time, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, And I mean when I say playing defense,
Speaker 4: I mean that in all good, good, good fair competition fun.
Speaker 4: You know. It's not like you don't want other people
Speaker 4: to have a good hunt too, but you're in the
Speaker 4: battle with a big buck, you know. Yeah, And and
Speaker 4: then yeah, I mean being a very call what sounds
Speaker 4: like a calm day at least starting out, I'm just
Speaker 4: going to gradually, just ever so slowly work my way
Speaker 4: in there. Now, when I say gradually and slowly, if
Speaker 4: there's no risk from sight or sound or smell, I'm
Speaker 4: going to cover ground very quickly because I'm not going
Speaker 4: to have a visual and anything could happen at Bumpslow's
Speaker 4: deer and the last thing, and I've been in this
Speaker 4: situation before where to make your entrance you have to
Speaker 4: lose your vantage point where you would maintain your visual,
Speaker 4: and you want to cut when you're doing that. You
Speaker 4: want to get through that whatever, whatever that is. You
Speaker 4: want to cover ground as fast as you can to
Speaker 4: get at least your vantage.
Speaker 3: Back, because we've done that before.
Speaker 4: And then spend hours slow creeping in there to find
Speaker 4: that they exited the whole situation while we were doing
Speaker 4: the ten minute you know pass where we lost our
Speaker 4: where we had to lose our vantage point, and then
Speaker 4: we crawl in there and it's like where did they go?
Speaker 4: Where did they go? Where did they go?
Speaker 3: They're not here?
Speaker 4: Oh no, so so and and two when we're talking
Speaker 4: about you mentioned like you're in your vehicle, I want
Speaker 4: to The reason so often we don't like to leave
Speaker 4: that vehicle in these situations until we're actually going in
Speaker 4: is because the vehicle allows us to cover a lot
Speaker 4: of ground. It's it's it's a lot of times a
Speaker 4: vehicle gets referenced as a vehicle, it is in this
Speaker 4: case a vehicle that allows us to get to the
Speaker 4: next vantage point in case something you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: something happens and they take off running. That happens a
Speaker 4: lot of times, and you maybe need to get to
Speaker 4: the next vantage point. So and and like I said,
Speaker 4: sometimes the vantage point is a hike in a little
Speaker 4: bit from the vehicle, and sometimes it's a long ways
Speaker 4: in from the vehicle.
Speaker 2: But you're.
Speaker 4: When you're lead even that vehicle and you're you're not
Speaker 4: ready to move in for the stock, you're at high
Speaker 4: risk of if they decide something happens that triggers them
Speaker 4: to cover ground and you're a ways away from the vehicle,
Speaker 4: you're at high risk of losing it for the rest
Speaker 4: of the day, losing your opportunity because they might take
Speaker 4: off running over a hill or whatever that you can't
Speaker 4: maintain your visual, You have no idea what happened where
Speaker 4: they went after that, and by the time you get
Speaker 4: to the vehicle and get to the next fountain, they
Speaker 4: might already be vetted down in a pocket. You don't
Speaker 4: know if they're half a mile this way or half
Speaker 4: mile that way, or or whatnot. So that's why a
Speaker 4: lot of times we like to, you know, during that
Speaker 4: time of the year, we like to keep fairly close
Speaker 4: to the vehicle in case we need to relocate to
Speaker 4: another vantage point pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: You know, so makes sense. So you stayed by the
Speaker 2: vehicle for as long as possible, But now you're going
Speaker 2: to make the move. You said you'd cover distance as
Speaker 2: fast as you could, as long as there's no risk
Speaker 2: of sight, sound, or smell interfering. So let's say you
Speaker 2: did that. So we went from five hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: yards to Let's now say you were able to cut
Speaker 2: it to two hundred and fifty. But at two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty yards you come out of like you lose
Speaker 2: your little hill, and now it's there's a risk of
Speaker 2: being seen. Now from two hundred and fifty yards and
Speaker 2: end it's still the wind is still low, it's still dry.
Speaker 4: What Now, that's where you start putting on the brakes
Speaker 4: a lot of times and moving very very slow. You
Speaker 4: got good thing here is you got all day. You
Speaker 4: got a lot of hours in the day. So there's
Speaker 4: and you got your advantage. So you can see if
Speaker 4: they if something happens and they decide they're going to
Speaker 4: relocate or whatever.
Speaker 3: So you're not in the dark.
Speaker 4: I guess you're not slow creeping in the dark where
Speaker 4: they could take an exit route, not an exit route
Speaker 4: necessarily because they know about you.
Speaker 3: Just for whatever reason, they get flighty.
Speaker 4: A vehicle comes up the road, a satellite buck comes in,
Speaker 4: whatever the case might be. You've got your vantage to
Speaker 4: that point to observe that you got all day. Now
Speaker 4: it's time to most of the time. It's going to
Speaker 4: be time to put the brakes on. And all that
Speaker 4: hustling you did through that point that you bought a
Speaker 4: little time too in there, and so now it's time
Speaker 4: to You were a rabbit before, now it's time to
Speaker 4: be a turtle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're slow rolling. Now, let me introduce a
Speaker 2: red flag. Maybe at two hundred fifty yards. You're sneaking
Speaker 2: a long, nice and quiet, you're the tortoise right now,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden that buck stands up
Speaker 2: and looks right at you and staring at you, and
Speaker 2: I guess I'm assuming you have your handheld decoy with you.
Speaker 2: Do you have your decoy with you.
Speaker 4: This most of the time, I'm not going to have
Speaker 4: that popped out yet, you're not if I if I
Speaker 4: have it, no, but you.
Speaker 2: Would possibly take it with you on this type of stock,
Speaker 2: So it's probably with you.
Speaker 4: Maybe it probably would be, but it's probably not pulled
Speaker 4: out yet. If I'm two hundred or two hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty yards away.
Speaker 2: Okay, so then let's let's say this. Then, so he
Speaker 2: stands up, You're two hundred and fifty yards away, and
Speaker 2: he locks right on you, and you you have no
Speaker 2: reason to think he smells you, but somehow he pegged you.
Speaker 4: Now what, Freeze for a long time, don't move for
Speaker 4: a long long time, and you're far enough away if
Speaker 4: he's not. If he's not, the general rule I've come
Speaker 4: to find is if they aren't exiting, they just saw something.
Speaker 4: They haven't confirmed that you're a human or your threat
Speaker 4: or anything yet. So since he's got a hot dough there,
Speaker 4: if you just freeze and don't move, you'll probably be fine.
Speaker 4: He'll he'll get preoccupied and sidetracked after a little while,
Speaker 4: and he might kind of pop back in, you know,
Speaker 4: and check on it a couple of times. Usually if
Speaker 4: he's gonna do that, it's it's not gonna be a
Speaker 4: long time. Like he'll get sidetracked at the dough for
Speaker 4: a minute and then he might come back to you,
Speaker 4: but it's usually not a half hour later or something.
Speaker 3: He's you know, moved on.
Speaker 4: And so usually if if they're pretty certain, if I
Speaker 4: sense it, they're pretty certain something doesn't look right to him,
Speaker 4: I pretty much expect the more attention they're given me
Speaker 4: in that one first instant stance, like they stand there
Speaker 4: for a few minutes, they're pretty convinced something's not right.
Speaker 4: So that tells me that they're gonna come back to me,
Speaker 4: Like they're gonna get sidetracked here in a minute with something,
Speaker 4: but they've locked onto this situation enough to where they're
Speaker 4: going to come back to it in a minute or
Speaker 4: ten seconds or you know, I mean, it could be
Speaker 4: just the normal trick of you know, you see this
Speaker 4: a lot in early season, is you know they're trying
Speaker 4: to you know, they're i mean all kinds of predatory
Speaker 4: game does this to them. So that's how they got
Speaker 4: so honed over, you know, thousands of years is is?
Speaker 4: I mean, okay, if I look away, they know I'm
Speaker 4: looking away, and that's when they're going to be moving up.
Speaker 4: Did I get you? You know? Okay? So and eventually
Speaker 4: they they if they start doing that and I and
Speaker 4: I'm not moving, I've already beat them. It's just a
Speaker 4: matter of I've already tricked them. They just don't know
Speaker 4: it yet. But I got to be patient and just
Speaker 4: not move. And eventually, nine times out of ten and
Speaker 4: they eventually forget about it.
Speaker 3: And except that it's nothing.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna keep on playing this out. So that
Speaker 2: happens at two hundred fifty yards. He stands up, he
Speaker 2: stares you down. You freeze. Fifteen minutes go by. He
Speaker 2: does the head bob at the end, but you don't blink,
Speaker 2: you don't breathe, you don't move a muscle, nothing goes wrong,
Speaker 2: the wind doesn't swirl. Eventually he gets back, puts his
Speaker 2: attention on the dough. They re bet you now continue
Speaker 2: your slow creep. It's now noon, and over the next
Speaker 2: three hours you close the distance from two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty yards to eighty yards. But at eighty yards, because
Speaker 2: of the lay of the land, there really is like
Speaker 2: no way you can stay out of sight. I mean
Speaker 2: even if you were like on all fours, if you
Speaker 2: were to kind of you're kind of coming down a
Speaker 2: hill now towards him and her, and they're bedded facing you.
Speaker 2: So at this point you see no way you could
Speaker 2: possibly get any closer without them seeing you. Now at
Speaker 2: eighty yards, it's three o'clock in the afternoon. You're eighty
Speaker 2: yards away from the buck bedded with the dough facing
Speaker 2: you in you know, anywhere from like shin to just
Speaker 2: above knee high grass. Now, okay, you have your handheld
Speaker 2: decoy with you, you have a cameraman with you, you
Speaker 2: have a bow with you. Still not a lot of
Speaker 2: wind we now have, you know, two and a half
Speaker 2: hours of daylight left something like that. What do you
Speaker 2: do over the next two and a half hours.
Speaker 4: That is a tough scenario. The first thing I would
Speaker 4: potentially consider is I have this thing that sometimes I
Speaker 4: will try stuff that is it's nearly impossible. I don't
Speaker 4: know if it's just to see if it would work
Speaker 4: or or what, but I I would evaluate could I
Speaker 4: slither on my belly, not on all fours, but just
Speaker 4: literally on my belly. Could I slope slither down this
Speaker 4: hill ever so slowly and I'm in plain sight, but
Speaker 4: I'm moving slow enough and I'm low enough. Could I
Speaker 4: pull that off? And could I do it quiet enough
Speaker 4: to where I didn't alarm them by sound without a
Speaker 4: lot of wind though? You know, compound guys, you're a
Speaker 4: lot safer because you got the range. So one thing
Speaker 4: I've learned over the years is you know, I like
Speaker 4: to get inside of twenty on them with a long bow. Well,
Speaker 4: you get inside of twenty and you don't have a
Speaker 4: lot of time. Yeah, And the tree stand guys know this.
Speaker 4: When they get a big, mature old buck coming in,
Speaker 4: when they start to break twenty yards coming in to
Speaker 4: their tree stands set, they know a lot can that
Speaker 4: buck can detect them through various methods and ways very quickly,
Speaker 4: and oftentimes they do. So you're going to break that
Speaker 4: threshold of twenty sneaking in on them, and then you're
Speaker 4: going to hang out there for an hour.
Speaker 3: To wait for an opportunity. That's very difficult to.
Speaker 4: Do, especially when you don't have a lot of win
Speaker 4: because then that wind just sits there and turns and
Speaker 4: spins and you don't know what it's going to do,
Speaker 4: and you can't. You can have the most optimal win,
Speaker 4: but if there's not much of it, you really don't.
Speaker 4: So I mean, I had a big, big, mature nine
Speaker 4: pointer last year and it would have been a perfect
Speaker 4: situation for a compoundent and we had five I think
Speaker 4: five mile an hour winds. It wasn't much. I looked
Speaker 4: at them, I'm like, it ain't picking up today, and
Speaker 4: it was I think it was late morning we went
Speaker 4: into this was in the timber, and I had a
Speaker 4: beautiful fifty yard shot with a compound, but we had
Speaker 4: what would be the perfect wind, but with it that looks.
Speaker 3: You know, that soft.
Speaker 4: I was talking about it for fifteen twenty minutes. We
Speaker 4: were kind of peeking, moving around this cedar tree on them,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I just there's no way, there's
Speaker 4: no way I can get inside of twenty do it
Speaker 4: in the I'd have to do it slow, and there's
Speaker 4: no way there's gonna be a wind current or whatever.
Speaker 4: And I kind of was reading it and I was like,
Speaker 4: this dough has got she's just coming in there's no
Speaker 4: pressure today disrupting this. It's it's during the week, so
Speaker 4: that's good for pressure reason. And I was like, we
Speaker 4: should back out of here and just bank on bank
Speaker 4: on him him driving her back in here tomorrow morning.
Speaker 3: We were.
Speaker 4: Literally exiting backwards, very slowly, just a few yards, that's
Speaker 4: all the further we made it, and one of the
Speaker 4: wind currents from our location made it made it there
Speaker 4: and we had the primary win. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 4: going off the weather app I'm going we had the
Speaker 4: primary win where we were at.
Speaker 3: But you know, I he hot around too much.
Speaker 4: My gut was telling me I need to back out
Speaker 4: and and bank on them being there tomorrow. And I
Speaker 4: I wanted to move in, and I burnt a little
Speaker 4: too much time and it cost me. And I wasn't
Speaker 4: quite expecting that at fifty yards for that to happen.
Speaker 4: But I got sidetracked on that situation a little bit.
Speaker 2: But so yeah, so at eighty yards, Yeah, if you
Speaker 2: didn't do the slide in there on your belly thing,
Speaker 2: would you try to bring him to you at all?
Speaker 2: Would you try to call any kind of way or
Speaker 2: flip up the decoy or anything, or just wait until
Speaker 2: dark and hope he moves your way. What then, So.
Speaker 4: With that decoy, one of the things we've done over
Speaker 4: the years is if a buck's locked on a dough
Speaker 4: and we've had a little time to observe them and
Speaker 4: their satellite bucks, we'll get a pretty good idea on
Speaker 4: how close we'd have to get to break the comfort
Speaker 4: zone to where he comes comes in, you know, and
Speaker 4: every buck's different.
Speaker 3: He might.
Speaker 4: He might just stand there and stare at these satellite
Speaker 4: bucks and not take more than a few steps away
Speaker 4: from him.
Speaker 3: Still, he might come eighty yards.
Speaker 4: So if we sense he's an aggressive buck, we probably
Speaker 4: in that particular case, would whip.
Speaker 3: It out on an eighty Now, we got.
Speaker 4: Some footage in the works, not so much on the
Speaker 4: next film, but the one that follows, where Tanner he
Speaker 4: moved in three hundred yards with the decoy in plain sight.
Speaker 4: He did it very slow.
Speaker 3: And that buck, I don't think that buck came from
Speaker 3: my understanding.
Speaker 4: He was a big mature. I don't know. He looks
Speaker 4: like he's fifty to sixty field dress big. He wasn't
Speaker 4: budget from his dough, and a lot of times those big,
Speaker 4: big old mature I got this, like you want to
Speaker 4: come in here. Okay, I'm going to stare and look
Speaker 4: at you, but I don't got reason to come eighty yards.
Speaker 4: I'm not that threatened. So he moved in there in
Speaker 4: plain sight, I think it was three hundred yards and
Speaker 4: all the way to I think twenty or somewhere around there,
Speaker 4: and it worked. He was a beat up buck. He
Speaker 4: didn't have a big rack, but I mean he was.
Speaker 4: He was a brew. So yeah, we got some great
Speaker 4: decoy stuff coming, not so much on the next one,
Speaker 4: but the one that follows.
Speaker 2: So which of those things, though, would you end up
Speaker 2: doing if you had to pick right now, gun to
Speaker 2: your head. In that scenario, which fork in the road
Speaker 2: you'd pick?
Speaker 4: I would probably do the decoy. But it gets funky
Speaker 4: there because you mentioned shin high grass. Shinned knee high grass.
Speaker 4: In my mind, that's enough grass to do the belly
Speaker 4: crawl slide down. But there's not a lot of winds.
Speaker 4: So me trying to move in with the decoy, all
Speaker 4: that grass in the way of the decoy unless I
Speaker 4: don't have you know, unless I have it lifted up,
Speaker 4: which is gonna look goofy, or the legs come up.
Speaker 4: All that noise from the grass hitting that decoy is
Speaker 4: going to be a huge problem and gonna be kind
Speaker 4: of cumbersome. So that that's a really tough tough call
Speaker 4: on that particular one. But I'd say it's probably gonna
Speaker 4: be better suited for the decoy. But doesn't mean that
Speaker 4: I won't try the belly crawl in there just to see.
Speaker 2: So okay, let's let's change it just a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this this scenario has given us lots of stuff to
Speaker 2: play with us. I'm just gonna keep on riffing on
Speaker 2: this one. Let's imagine that we had a little bit
Speaker 2: more cover, so instead of like shin hi grass, we
Speaker 2: have like waist high grass and some clumpy bushes of
Speaker 2: some kinds of shrubs and stuff. So actually, you're not
Speaker 2: hung up at eighty. You've got the ability to sneak
Speaker 2: within range, and you you do so, so you're slipping in,
Speaker 2: you're slow rolling it in. You make it all the
Speaker 2: way to within shooting range. But at shooting range. So
Speaker 2: for you with the with your bow, let's say at
Speaker 2: twenty yards, a little word does swirl yeah, up, bounces
Speaker 2: off to thirty, pauses and looks at you. What do
Speaker 2: you do?
Speaker 3: I take the shot if I got it.
Speaker 4: If and a lot of times in my experience, if
Speaker 4: they get you by smell like that, not always, but
Speaker 4: a lot of times, they're going more than.
Speaker 3: Thirty you know, they're not just they're out of there now.
Speaker 4: If they get you by sight or sound, that's pretty
Speaker 4: common because they don't they haven't confirmed what that site
Speaker 4: for surely is or what that sound for surely is.
Speaker 4: Smell totally different deal. Smell is the worst one because
Speaker 4: it's one hundred percent confirmation they know exactly what that is.
Speaker 3: Sound sound, They don't know site, they don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean most of the time they don't know, like
Speaker 4: without taking in just a little bit more time, and
Speaker 4: that might.
Speaker 3: Be a half a second, that might be a few seconds.
Speaker 4: That might be the stare off for five minutes if
Speaker 4: they caught movement, but you're buying time. If they're getting
Speaker 4: you by as by one of those senses. Smells the
Speaker 4: worst because it is confirmation, and that's why it's so
Speaker 4: dangerous and you don't know when it's coming.
Speaker 3: The second you make too much noise, you know, it
Speaker 3: can get wild.
Speaker 4: You know, the second you maybe get a little bit
Speaker 4: off balance and create a little extra movement.
Speaker 3: You know, it could get wild the smell.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you catch the you know, catch it on the
Speaker 4: back of your neck or something, and you're like, oh shoot.
Speaker 4: But sometimes you don't, and you don't know when it's
Speaker 4: going to hit their nose, and so you're behind the
Speaker 4: eight ball a lot on smelled because you don't always
Speaker 4: know when they're going to get it, and when they
Speaker 4: get it, it's pretty serious deal to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you make a great point. So let's let
Speaker 2: me adjust it just a little bit. Let's say you
Speaker 2: step on a branch, it cracks, the buck jumps, We'll
Speaker 2: say runs a what's the range for you, Jared? Where
Speaker 2: you're like, Eh, I don't know if I want to
Speaker 2: take that shot or not. What's that What would that
Speaker 2: range be for you? Where you're like right on the
Speaker 2: edge of man, I could I could probably pull it off,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if I really want to. What
Speaker 2: would that be for you right now?
Speaker 3: Probably?
Speaker 4: Probably probably twenty. But I've only shot all year long.
Speaker 4: I don't shoot range until closer to hunting season. Other
Speaker 4: than this summer, I've shot in range four times, and
Speaker 4: so I'd feel good to twenty right now.
Speaker 3: I mean, in the season though i'd well by season.
Speaker 4: You know, if I shot two three sessions and practiced
Speaker 4: to thirty, i'd feel good to thirty, right, you know,
Speaker 4: in two to three sessions.
Speaker 3: It factors in pretty quick with where I'm going with it.
Speaker 4: Though, if I'm inside of fifteen and I cracked that stick,
Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna shoot him right there right now. I've
Speaker 4: gotten fast enough that if that happens, it's gonna be
Speaker 4: an explosion.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be really wild, really quick.
Speaker 4: So, and we do have one one documented that it
Speaker 4: worked good doing that.
Speaker 2: So but what about this situation where what if it's
Speaker 2: just a little bit outside of like what you feel
Speaker 2: really good at. So let's say thirty five, he stepped
Speaker 2: on the twig, he bounds off to thirty five, he stops,
Speaker 2: he's head bobbing. He's given you time. But in your
Speaker 2: mind you're thinking, man, maybe I can make the shot.
Speaker 2: But if I do, he's gonna is he gonna duck?
Speaker 2: Is he gonna spin? He's all amped up. But if
Speaker 2: I just freeze and do nothing, I'm going to miss
Speaker 2: this opportunity. Then maybe you're thinking, but maybe if I
Speaker 2: hold still long enough, maybe he'll get curious and get
Speaker 2: a little bit closer like they sometimes do, and they
Speaker 2: don't really know what's going on. There's a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of different ways this could go. In that scenario when
Speaker 2: it's not a perfect easy shot, it's not the worst bump. Ever,
Speaker 2: what about then.
Speaker 4: I probably I would say what would probably happen now
Speaker 4: is I would probably have already hit about full draw
Speaker 4: by the time he was coming to a stop, and
Speaker 4: that arrow's headed that direction about the instant he's coming
Speaker 4: to a stop.
Speaker 3: Not necessarily saying it would play.
Speaker 4: Out like that, but that's probably what my instincts would
Speaker 4: kick in and just do and it would all be like, whoa,
Speaker 4: that just happened kind of. That's probably probably probably the
Speaker 4: scenario on that one. So that's one of the advantages.
Speaker 4: You know, there's pros and cons to traditional bows and compounds.
Speaker 4: You know, you can with a traditional bow, you can
Speaker 4: execute a very quick shot, and you can you have
Speaker 4: the ability to become very versatile in that with that
Speaker 4: weapon as well. It's a give and take though there's
Speaker 4: a lot of situations where the compound has a significant
Speaker 4: advantage in accuracy, range, drawback. You got to let off,
Speaker 4: you can hold it, you know, I mean it's it's
Speaker 4: if I'm inside of twenty, I'd much rather have a
Speaker 4: long ago. I'm at an advantage now now at this point.
Speaker 4: So I mean different weapons and different shooting styles, they
Speaker 4: all have their strengths and weaknesses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all right, I want I want to do
Speaker 2: one last one in this scenario, one last possible difference.
Speaker 2: So instead of you stepping on a twig and spooking him,
Speaker 2: you get all the way to twenty and he stays betted.
Speaker 2: We're down at this point, though it's taken more time. Now,
Speaker 2: we're down to the last fifteen minutes a day light
Speaker 2: and they're still betted. For whatever reason, they have not
Speaker 2: gotten back up to move around for the evening. They're
Speaker 2: betted down and you can see his vitals, but it's
Speaker 2: not perfectly clear, like there's still some grass kind of
Speaker 2: around it. Do you take the betted shot or do
Speaker 2: you roll the dice and hope he stands up the
Speaker 2: next ten to twelve minutes, or do you do something
Speaker 2: to make him get up at this point?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what I would what I would do there with
Speaker 4: where I'm at now is keep in mind we're filming
Speaker 4: all this, so I would ideally I would have whoever's
Speaker 4: filming me be in a position where they can not
Speaker 4: move and film everything that's about to happen.
Speaker 3: And then I would try to get to fifteen.
Speaker 4: Very as fast as I can, but it's slow enough
Speaker 4: not to get detected. And then at that point I
Speaker 4: would saddle up. And this is going to sound radical,
Speaker 4: but I would move as quickly as I can, but
Speaker 4: still trying to not get detected, if that kind of
Speaker 4: makes sense.
Speaker 2: So when you say you're trying to move as quickly
Speaker 2: as you can, you were at twenty, and so you're
Speaker 2: gonna just like I want to get to fifteen, you're
Speaker 2: gonna walk fifth.
Speaker 4: I want to get to fifteen without being detected. Once
Speaker 4: I get to fifteen, now I'm gonna be ready to shoot,
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna, you know, if it's tall enough grass,
Speaker 4: I'm still going to be staying fairly low, but I'm
Speaker 4: not cross anymore. I'm ready to shoot. And the second
Speaker 4: he gets me now, I want him to get me
Speaker 4: by sights or or or hearing. I don't want him
Speaker 4: to get me by smell. That's why I got to
Speaker 4: move quick, because now I've hit fifteen, and you want
Speaker 4: him standing up or in motion of standing up, it's
Speaker 4: it's uh and and then in one one fast motion
Speaker 4: it uh.
Speaker 2: It's like throwing a football.
Speaker 4: Huh yeah, yeah yeah. And I've I've.
Speaker 3: Worked on archery a lot to be.
Speaker 4: Able to to to be confident enough to do that
Speaker 4: not you know, I've ran the clock speeds and and
Speaker 4: all of that, you know, on how fast white tails
Speaker 4: react and that, and and that gave me the confidence
Speaker 4: to implement that that one and it worked really well.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm giving a lot away there. But that's
Speaker 4: there's a great danger, like I said earlier, of getting
Speaker 4: inside of twenty and then hanging out there for an hour,
Speaker 4: especially when you don't have much wins. I mean, even
Speaker 4: if you got fifteen mile an hour, pretty good wins.
Speaker 4: One kick of that wind, when you get that tight,
Speaker 4: you don't have much mark.
Speaker 3: When you're hanging out.
Speaker 4: At forty to fifty, you know, you get a kick
Speaker 4: of the wind. You got a quite a bit of
Speaker 4: distance to get that straight for that wind to get
Speaker 4: straight and back up. But when you get that tight
Speaker 4: on them, you don't have much cushion, so you don't
Speaker 4: have much time. And so time is is that's it's
Speaker 4: a head scratch of what I just explained there.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's impressive though too that you can pull
Speaker 2: it off. Not an easy thing to do.
Speaker 3: No, No, it's it's it's not.
Speaker 4: And I've I've learned a lot in a lot of
Speaker 4: ancient archery stuff that that makes it seem impossible or
Speaker 4: we how do I explain this to us? That sounds crazy,
Speaker 4: But to actually do it, you know, trained off a
Speaker 4: lot of this stuff, it's once I get to fifteen,
Speaker 4: I feel like it's it's not hard now, but.
Speaker 3: It's required a lot of a lot of.
Speaker 2: What is the what is the most important skill set
Speaker 2: or the very most important variable to really focus on
Speaker 2: when trying to close in you know, to fifteen yards,
Speaker 2: that last fifth let's say, from thirty yards to fifteen
Speaker 2: I think a lot of guys maybe could maybe could
Speaker 2: get to thirty yards on a deer and they would
Speaker 2: feel like, man, I'm in his wheelhouse and taking that shop.
Speaker 2: But that last fifteen yards or the last five from
Speaker 2: twenty to five, like from twenty to fifteen like super
Speaker 2: super tight. What's like the ninja next level thing that
Speaker 2: someone can do to be able to close that extra
Speaker 2: distance if they're trying to do something like this, or
Speaker 2: if they're just you know, trying to get better at
Speaker 2: getting from forty to twenty whatever it is, what is
Speaker 2: you know, what have you picked up that's allowed you
Speaker 2: to get really good at closing those last few yards
Speaker 2: the final ten.
Speaker 4: Gosh, every situation so different. The last two I shot,
Speaker 4: I shot on my feet standing up.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I was kind of half cocked on the one I
Speaker 4: just explained. The other one I was fully standing up.
Speaker 4: And both of those one was at four yards, one
Speaker 4: was at four and a half yards, So.
Speaker 3: I had just tall.
Speaker 4: Enough grass to pull off the one that I just explained,
Speaker 4: And I had the guy that was filming Ethan at
Speaker 4: fifteen with the camera and we had they were buried
Speaker 4: in the grass enough, and I knew from experience we
Speaker 4: had probably less in thirty seconds, and he was going
Speaker 4: to have us by wind, and that was going to
Speaker 4: be very difficult because I don't know when that's exactly
Speaker 4: gonna happen. So that's why I made the decision I
Speaker 4: did in that moment, and I felt kind of actually
Speaker 4: I had already premeditated for the right situation, like this
Speaker 4: is this is where I'm going to go with it.
Speaker 4: And trained quite a bit in archery to do it.
Speaker 4: But when I was in that stock, I felt a
Speaker 4: little bit it behind because I didn't actually think about
Speaker 4: doing that. And then all of a sudden it hit me.
Speaker 4: I was like, what am I doing? This is what
Speaker 4: I've trained, and I just I said, get ready, it's
Speaker 4: happening right now, and it all came together and I
Speaker 4: never had to. You know, now, in the old days,
Speaker 4: I maybe would have been on my hands and knees
Speaker 4: a little bit longer crawling in well, you make more
Speaker 4: noise doing that, you stay more concealed. But I wasn't
Speaker 4: worried too much about concealment anymore, so I could so
Speaker 4: that that's because I'm I got fast enough.
Speaker 3: Shooting the bow that the concealment isn't just needed anymore.
Speaker 4: So now I can That allows me to keep my
Speaker 4: feet on the ground not worry so much about Once
Speaker 4: I'm that tight, I don't have to worry so much
Speaker 4: about them seeing me because that I'm gonna have a
Speaker 4: half a second because they're gonna what is that? And
Speaker 4: so the shot can happen fast enough that now I
Speaker 4: can be quieter because I don't have to be a
Speaker 4: worry about concealment as much once I get that tight,
Speaker 4: if that kind of makes sense. So that allowed me
Speaker 4: to actually, in that particular case, get get closer. Now,
Speaker 4: if they weren't buried in the tall enough grass, they
Speaker 4: would have me by visuals. I'd be on my hands
Speaker 4: and knees. So it's everyone's a different chess match, you know.
Speaker 4: Every every situation is a different a different deal, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So let me put you on a different chess. Now.
Speaker 2: I'm going to take you out of this awesome scenario
Speaker 2: where you can see stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, taking out that scenario.
Speaker 4: By the way, I was just getting ready to get
Speaker 4: dumped off to do a two mile timber stock, and
Speaker 4: this buck he pushed a dough right out into the
Speaker 4: crp on the edge of that timber out of nowhere.
Speaker 4: They were going to drop me off. We're four hundred
Speaker 4: yards fromhere. I was getting dropped off. I wanted to
Speaker 4: do a timber stock all day, and you know, so
Speaker 4: it was a beautifu one hundred and fifty inch public Land.
Speaker 5: Bok and I was like, I wanted to do with timbersuck,
Speaker 5: I gotta do it, you know, I can't not well,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna let you do a timber stock now though,
Speaker 5: because the next scenario I wanted to walk you through,
Speaker 5: or have you walked me through, is a timber situation.
Speaker 2: Let's say that this coming season, you can't leave Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: You have to hunt Wisconsin, you have to hunt public,
Speaker 2: and it has to be timber, okay, and you're gonna
Speaker 2: We're on a particular day here, a week here, and
Speaker 2: we've got kind of ten twelve mile in hour winds,
Speaker 2: so there's a little bit of wind, otherwise dry, and
Speaker 2: it is November one. Walk me through how you would
Speaker 2: kill a deer, a decent buck on that kind of
Speaker 2: day in Wisconsin.
Speaker 4: What I'm going to probably do there's a different scenario
Speaker 4: than what we started out with earlier. Talking by this point,
Speaker 4: I'm going to probably already have some different pieces, and
Speaker 4: I'm probably not going to spend much time in the
Speaker 4: vehicle starting out, you know, in that particular setting of
Speaker 4: a lot of woods, and you know, unless it's like
Speaker 4: day one and I'm in a whole new region, you know,
Speaker 4: then i might do that whole driving around and whatnot.
Speaker 4: I'm probably going to focus. I would probably shift from
Speaker 4: what we did what was working for us quite a
Speaker 4: while back, which was a lot of the MFL grounds
Speaker 4: and stuff like that that a lot of people didn't
Speaker 4: know about and know there wasn't maps for and stuff,
Speaker 4: and you know, a lot of those parcels were pretty small,
Speaker 4: but they didn't get a lot of pressure. Now they've
Speaker 4: gotten a lot of pressure, and it doesn't take much
Speaker 4: pressure to blow out an eighty or one sixty. So
Speaker 4: I'm probably going to go back to a lot of
Speaker 4: the actual big public acreage stuff, you know, more along
Speaker 4: those lines and put boots on the ground, and I'm
Speaker 4: probably gonna cover ground in the timber. And if I
Speaker 4: got ten to twelve dollar hour winds, well there's gonna
Speaker 4: be enough leaf blowing and branch movement with that that
Speaker 4: I can move at a faster rate in the timber.
Speaker 4: And I'm going to cover ground through the timber and
Speaker 4: try to get a visual on a big one or
Speaker 4: a dough or a pocketed doze, and you know, things
Speaker 4: kind of shift in there. You find out a little
Speaker 4: pocketed dose. It's November first, you know, I come across that.
Speaker 4: I might try to get a little bit in the
Speaker 4: right situation to catch a buck coming in and hang
Speaker 4: out there for a couple hours and try to catch
Speaker 4: a buck cruising in. So I'm still in the timber
Speaker 4: like that. I'm still going for visual that you know
Speaker 4: we did that I didn't. I only got to hunt
Speaker 4: a few days this year. I filmed some, but but
Speaker 4: I haven't done the timber that much in recent years.
Speaker 4: So I'm like I got into the timber and and
Speaker 4: we were fortunate on that one.
Speaker 3: We're very lucky.
Speaker 4: I just caught just the slightest glint of movement and
Speaker 4: it was pretty thick stuff and we were only I
Speaker 4: don't know, we probably left the vehicle twenty minutes before that,
Speaker 4: that's it. And TC was filming me, and I was
Speaker 4: sure I just caught something, just like a just like
Speaker 4: a deer.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I seen something. What is that?
Speaker 4: Sarah? And we just put on the brakes. We hardly
Speaker 4: had any wind, and it was pretty thick stuff. I
Speaker 4: just had a pocket that I could see across a
Speaker 4: little bit of an open There was trees and stuff,
Speaker 4: but that's where I caught it, probably seventy yards out,
Speaker 4: but it was pretty seatory type stuff around there, and
Speaker 4: I thought it was a deer. I thought I saw
Speaker 4: a tailwig and I think it was about five minutes.
Speaker 4: We we just didn't move our location, and I kept
Speaker 4: eyes on and kept glassing in there and I couldn't
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, boom, there's one hundred
Speaker 4: and sixty inch nine pointer with a with a dough
Speaker 4: and I was reading it and I'm like, I think
Speaker 4: she's just coming in, you know, And I was like,
Speaker 4: and they looped in and there was one pocket there
Speaker 4: where it was he stopped broadside at fifty and it
Speaker 4: would have been beautiful for a compound. But so, I mean,
Speaker 4: we were going in one hundred percent. And that's how
Speaker 4: I would do it with timber too, is I'm going
Speaker 4: in one hundred percent to try to get a visual
Speaker 4: in the timber and then go from there.
Speaker 2: You know, how fast are you moving when you're working
Speaker 2: your way through, you know, with a little bit of wind,
Speaker 2: so you've got some amount of sound cover. You know
Speaker 2: when you say covering distance and covering ground, is that
Speaker 2: like you're stopping and glassing every twenty yards or use
Speaker 2: cruising or what.
Speaker 4: A lot of times in the timber. A lot of
Speaker 4: times in the timber, I'm going off my eyes for
Speaker 4: picking them up. I don't That's how I pick most
Speaker 4: of them up. Occasionally I do it with with binoculars,
Speaker 4: but usually I'm picking something up by eyesight. I keep
Speaker 4: my eyes going while I'm moving. We actually moved in
Speaker 4: fairly aggressively into we started to slow roll it a
Speaker 4: little bit when we got close to where I picked
Speaker 4: up that visual.
Speaker 3: I don't know how fast we were going. We weren't
Speaker 3: stop in every.
Speaker 4: I don't think we were really stopping hardly at all, really,
Speaker 4: but we weren't moving at We were quietly moving at
Speaker 4: a slow pace, steadily but quietly and fairly slowly. But
Speaker 4: we weren't really doing too much stopping in that particular case. Now,
Speaker 4: that was some fairly heavy brushy with a lot of
Speaker 4: twisting and turning of branches, so it totally disrupts. You know,
Speaker 4: if you're in the a lot of the wooded stuff,
Speaker 4: like in Wisconsin, you got fairly not always, but you
Speaker 4: got fairly vertical. Like let's say you're in the hills
Speaker 4: of Wisconsin bluff country or whatever. A lot of times
Speaker 4: that you don't get a lot of that brushy stuff.
Speaker 4: Well I shouldn't say you don't. You can.
Speaker 3: You get clear cuts and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 4: But where a lot of times in that timbour, you
Speaker 4: can see one hundred and fifty two hundred yards. Sometimes, well,
Speaker 4: I'm going to be moving at a pretty good clip
Speaker 4: through there because I can see them long before they
Speaker 4: can hear me, and a decent, pretty good chance of
Speaker 4: if I'm playing the wind right on where I think
Speaker 4: they maybe would be. I've got that somewhat to my advantage,
Speaker 4: so I'm not as risk, so there's a better chance
Speaker 4: I'm going to pick them up, then they're gonna pick
Speaker 4: me up. Therefore I can move and cover ground quicker.
Speaker 4: Now you get into that hairrier, thicker stuff. You got
Speaker 4: to put on the brakes more. So, it's.
Speaker 3: The game.
Speaker 4: The ground game in the timber is very it's so
Speaker 4: variable of you know, there's not one pace I move
Speaker 4: at all the time. There's would you.
Speaker 2: Would you give a shot even if you had no
Speaker 2: wind and dry so it's like potato chip leaves and
Speaker 2: no wind, would you still try something like that? If
Speaker 2: that was like you know, a hunt this or I
Speaker 2: don't hunt at all?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, And when it gets that quiet, you can
Speaker 4: there's you have the element of hearing as well, so
Speaker 4: you can slow down your pace really slow and hear them,
Speaker 4: but if you're moving out of slow enough face and
Speaker 4: we A perfect example of that would be in twenty
Speaker 4: ten in the Regroup video. We went into a piece
Speaker 4: of public in the dark that we had never laid
Speaker 4: eyes on before, so we didn't even know what we
Speaker 4: were getting into. And it was a pretty quiet day
Speaker 4: and it was my first day of that hunt in
Speaker 4: that area. We drove through the night to get there,
Speaker 4: never seen this ground in daylight, and I almost got it.
Speaker 4: It was a one hundred and sixty sixty five inch buck.
Speaker 4: I should have had them, but I didn't. But it
Speaker 4: was a pretty calm, calm day, I mean, Chrispy Frost
Speaker 4: like no win. And then the hunt kind of went
Speaker 4: on for a couple of days. I should have got
Speaker 4: another big one.
Speaker 3: The next day.
Speaker 4: I was having a rough hunt. We left, went to
Speaker 4: Kansas for three and a half days. That could have
Speaker 4: went better too, and then we had something come up
Speaker 4: and had to head back to Wisconsin and we decided
Speaker 4: to hit for the morning. I or again where this
Speaker 4: hunt took place, and again we didn't have I mean,
Speaker 4: it was like no wind and we just we just
Speaker 4: went in there using our ears a lot, moving real slow,
Speaker 4: and I shot one hundred and forty some inch or
Speaker 4: low forty eight pointer, and we we played, you know,
Speaker 4: we could hear them up there, and we kind of
Speaker 4: pushed it. We kind of pushed getting closer, and then
Speaker 4: we put the brakes on and him and a couple
Speaker 4: of small bucks ended up falling right into our lot
Speaker 4: and it worked out perfect. I think he was twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four. Actually that's the first buck we ever shot
Speaker 4: facing with the head on shot, so it was an accident,
Speaker 4: but it worked out. So you can do it on
Speaker 4: the ground in those scenarios of what you just describe
Speaker 4: those super still frosty, Well, you got your ears, and
Speaker 4: that can be a huge advantage. You know, it's it's.
Speaker 3: More suited to.
Speaker 4: Not very well for you sneaking in on them, but
Speaker 4: in terms of you hearing them coming. And you got
Speaker 4: some advantages in that that way in department too. But
Speaker 4: in those particular cases though, where it's real quiet like that, though,
Speaker 4: you want to pick your pathway of how you're moving
Speaker 4: through the timber in a way where they're probably going
Speaker 4: to land up in your lap or land in your
Speaker 4: lap on their own. Like if I'm going in and
Speaker 4: I got wind of what you describe earlier ten twelve,
Speaker 4: fifteen mile an hour in the timber, I'm not necessarily
Speaker 4: gonna be on where I think they're gonna be walking,
Speaker 4: and I might be a distance off trying to get
Speaker 4: a visual and then planing more for a stock approach.
Speaker 4: Whereas on those crispy mornings like that, you're not gonna
Speaker 4: get away with much either. So it's gonna you're gonna
Speaker 4: have the element to hear in them coming, but you're
Speaker 4: gonna want to be closer to the court, the natural
Speaker 4: cord or of how they maybe be moving.
Speaker 2: Yep, So do you pleat do you pre plan out
Speaker 2: a route like, Hey, I'm gonna follow this edge, or
Speaker 2: I'm gonna walk this pinch point, or I'm gonna cruise
Speaker 2: along the downwind side of this dough betting area or
Speaker 2: something like that. On a day like that.
Speaker 4: And not so much from the area, I might glance
Speaker 4: at it and kind of like roughly like I think
Speaker 4: I'm gonna move through it like this, But once I
Speaker 4: get in there, I might totally change what my premeditated,
Speaker 4: loose plan is.
Speaker 3: So any of those.
Speaker 4: Things that I gather from looking at an areil, I
Speaker 4: try to put that into a loose planned, but it could.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to stick to what because I don't
Speaker 4: want to call an aeral not real. But it's not
Speaker 4: as real as me being there in person and seeing
Speaker 4: every aspect of what I'm dealing with, So I want
Speaker 4: to I don't want to get too fixated.
Speaker 3: On what's not real.
Speaker 4: The aerial is real, but it doesn't give you as
Speaker 4: much as being there on site in person. So I
Speaker 4: want to keep that plan loose that I might be
Speaker 4: with if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense, Okay, I've got one last scenario
Speaker 2: and then I want to run you through like a
Speaker 2: set of rapid fire quick questions. Okay, so the final,
Speaker 2: this last scenario. Let's imagine you've been on this hunt.
Speaker 2: You're gonna we're gonna put you back in not necessarily Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: but we'll go kind of middle country, somewhere mixed AG,
Speaker 2: mixed whatever, and really the specifically the train don't matter.
Speaker 2: This one. You spot a good buck. He is on
Speaker 2: ground that you're not sure. Let me rephrase this. You
Speaker 2: are on a buck. He moves into ground that on
Speaker 2: your app shows public. So you say, ah, man, big
Speaker 2: giant shure buck on on X or whatever tool you're using,
Speaker 2: you see like, yep, he just crossed over into public.
Speaker 2: Game on, you cruise down the road where there's a spot,
Speaker 2: like there's a ditch along the road, but finally there's
Speaker 2: a spot you can pull off, and when you get
Speaker 2: to the spot, you can pull off onto the public
Speaker 2: to park. There's a bunch of no trespassing signs private
Speaker 2: property no trespassing signs there. So your map shows public
Speaker 2: on the ground though there's no trespassing private property signs,
Speaker 2: and your big buck is now cruising across this piece
Speaker 2: of potentially public land.
Speaker 4: What do you do, Well, you gotta confirm it. You know,
Speaker 4: I went through some stuff in twenty sixteen. Two scenarios.
Speaker 4: Never had an issue over the years, but I ran
Speaker 4: into two scenarios and I started to get very confident,
Speaker 4: and I should have double checked a little bit deeper.
Speaker 4: And there's some more to it. But and that information
Speaker 4: has gotten more and more concrete at the county level,
Speaker 4: which then you know, whether it's on X or any
Speaker 4: of the other map providers out there, then they get
Speaker 4: more concrete information, but they're getting it from the county.
Speaker 4: So the counties have gotten better.
Speaker 3: About that.
Speaker 4: So you got to In our latest video on Cuffed,
Speaker 4: we had a scenario that Matt was their filming and
Speaker 4: I had hunted this area before and it was broken
Speaker 4: up piece of public, piece of public over here, and
Speaker 4: this was always private in the past, and.
Speaker 3: So I'm banking on that.
Speaker 4: I haven't actually pulled up that side of the road
Speaker 4: yet we got the visual, and I hadn't been up
Speaker 4: the other side of the road yet.
Speaker 3: Well, we come around and.
Speaker 4: I had seen a sign from way out, like a
Speaker 4: mile out, but I didn't even register. Yeah, I just
Speaker 4: assumed it was a private because I had always been private. Well,
Speaker 4: then there was a bunch of walk in hunting.
Speaker 2: Signs I remember seeing this. Now, Yeah, there.
Speaker 4: Was a bunch of walk in hunting signs in which
Speaker 4: it had always been private. So it threw us for
Speaker 4: a loop because now I'm like, well, this big buck
Speaker 4: that was on private, then jumped on public, then got
Speaker 4: on private. But then as the direction he was going,
Speaker 4: there's another piece of public. So I was sure he
Speaker 4: was going to end up on that other piece of
Speaker 4: public and zip right through that private. Well, it turned
Speaker 4: out the whole thing had changed over to public over there,
Speaker 4: according to the signs. Well, then I pull up the
Speaker 4: map app from the state. This isn't from on X,
Speaker 4: this is direct leave from Kansas. It doesn't show it
Speaker 4: as public, and neither does the book I had, the
Speaker 4: printed book for that year doesn't show it as public.
Speaker 4: So now it's like, well, I got signs, it's always
Speaker 4: been private in the past.
Speaker 3: What do you do?
Speaker 4: I've got And in that particular case, there was two
Speaker 4: big bucks. One that was on what now appears to
Speaker 4: be public, but just off of what for surely is public.
Speaker 3: The other one had disappeared on.
Speaker 4: What is potentially public according to the signs, but had
Speaker 4: always been private. So now I'm in like this dilemma
Speaker 4: of like, well, we got to find out, but this
Speaker 4: could be awesome, but it would have been nice to
Speaker 4: know that earlier. And you know, we eventually did figure
Speaker 4: it out and it had all changed over to walk it,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: So what's the best way really quick? I just I
Speaker 2: asked this because I think a lot of people are
Speaker 2: finding themselves in these scenarios now right where we're hunting
Speaker 2: new places and we live and die off of our phones.
Speaker 2: What's been the best way you've found to quickly confirm
Speaker 2: like yes or no on this being public or not?
Speaker 2: Who do you call?
Speaker 3: Well, in this particular case.
Speaker 4: With the Kansas walk in, and I went through this
Speaker 4: the season after twenty sixteen, I was in Kansas again
Speaker 4: and I was filming a couple of old guys, older guys,
Speaker 4: and we pieces marked as public. It's on the book,
Speaker 4: it's on the app from the State walk in. We
Speaker 4: go in there, it's opening day. See two big bucks,
Speaker 4: part of the public. It continued on that way. There
Speaker 4: was no fence line. As we come around this corner,
Speaker 4: the public land signs you'd never guess it, showing it
Speaker 4: by signage and by the app and by the mapp
Speaker 4: from the state it's public. So we watched this big
Speaker 4: buck and he looked like he was probably a booner.
Speaker 4: And then there was one hundred and forty in sure
Speaker 4: with him. They dipped into this.
Speaker 3: This dry draw excuse.
Speaker 4: Me, and we had dropped off one of the old
Speaker 4: guys's son on the other end of the piece, and
Speaker 4: he was kind of slow making his way through from
Speaker 4: this direction, and we're going to meet up with him
Speaker 4: and then maybe hit this part that continued, So we
Speaker 4: went down. They eventually made their way. We went down
Speaker 4: to meet him and as we're and we're all excited,
Speaker 4: like we got two big Bucks. They're in a draw.
Speaker 4: It's a thin draw. I think we can good chance
Speaker 4: we can get both bucks. One of them's a tank.
Speaker 4: And there was a big pond between us and the Bucks,
Speaker 4: and so we needed to kind of go around it. Well,
Speaker 4: as we went around it, I see this red sign
Speaker 4: and I'm filming, and I'm like, I know what the
Speaker 4: red sign usually means, no longer in walking, but I
Speaker 4: wanted the reaction from the old guys to catch so
Speaker 4: I didn't say anything. You know, they were gonna see
Speaker 4: it in three seconds. So but I'm like, in my head,
Speaker 4: I'm like, what is going on? If that pond hadn't
Speaker 4: been there, we would have vlined right to those big
Speaker 4: Bucks and shot them. And this had come up earlier
Speaker 4: in the bostseason, probably an hour and a half away.
Speaker 4: I was with Matt on that hunt. A piece that
Speaker 4: had always been public was marked as public walking on
Speaker 4: the map from the state and on their app. I
Speaker 4: have their app on my phone. It come out a
Speaker 4: week before right during the run, got pulled out a
Speaker 4: walk in. They didn't pull the signs down on one road.
Speaker 4: I sat there for three hours. It was a morning
Speaker 4: that I decided I can see a long ways. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna hang out here for three hours and just watch
Speaker 4: from the vehicle and see if a buck pops up
Speaker 4: out any of these draws, public signs, public on the map,
Speaker 4: public in the book, all from the state. Eventually I
Speaker 4: caught one that looked like it could be a shooter
Speaker 4: way over by the other road.
Speaker 3: We drive around the other road a red sign.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what so in that particular case, I eventually
Speaker 4: I first tracked down the game warden. He didn't know
Speaker 4: much about it, which you know, it's not his department
Speaker 4: to necessarily know, but he got me in contact. That
Speaker 4: was a Saturday. I was actually quite impressed. But he
Speaker 4: ended up getting me in contact with the head of
Speaker 4: the walk in program at the state. And I wasn't
Speaker 4: too thrilled because I started to put some things together
Speaker 4: and there was three parcels of property, one of which
Speaker 4: I was on two days before that. Now I pulled
Speaker 4: up to and there's a red sign there, and two
Speaker 4: days ago there wasn't. So I'm not in a real
Speaker 4: good state coming out of what happened in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4: And all the information's coming from the state and he
Speaker 4: clarified all three pieces. He said, Okay, the guys that
Speaker 4: put the signs out on this one, that's actually not right.
Speaker 4: That's actually still public. And I'm like okay, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: the other piece that came out here over the last week,
Speaker 4: but they probably didn't get the signs up on the
Speaker 4: other road. And I'm like, that's that's neat. So if
Speaker 4: I'd walked in from that other road, technically i'd have
Speaker 4: been according to your maps and the signs, I would
Speaker 4: have been legal. But it's.
Speaker 3: If it's pulled out, it's pulled out, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But how can anyone expect folks to know that
Speaker 2: in the situation like that, That's crazy.
Speaker 4: Well, and I was very frustrated because back in Wisconsin,
Speaker 4: when I used to hunt all them MFL grounds and
Speaker 4: forest crop lands before they were ever mapped, I for
Speaker 4: several counties went through and made my own Google maps
Speaker 4: with the lines of the parcel, so I had it
Speaker 4: right on my phone before the maps had come out.
Speaker 4: For all these counties. I'd go in and plot the coordinates,
Speaker 4: is what I'd do. So I had that access. So
Speaker 4: when it comes to in this case, Kansas there, I
Speaker 4: would have their Google Earth created maps of their walk
Speaker 4: in on my phone, and I know how quick and
Speaker 4: easy because once I got that those maps created on
Speaker 4: my end for Wisconsin, it was really easy the next
Speaker 4: year to just go through and confirm if any came
Speaker 4: out at the end of the year, and then Uptown
Speaker 4: came out.
Speaker 3: It's an eyeball on that layer.
Speaker 4: You turn it off, update your map, and boom that
Speaker 4: parcel's no longer in right, And so I kind of
Speaker 4: was like, well, I cannot stand the book being printed.
Speaker 3: You know, I was like two things.
Speaker 4: I think once it goes into walking, you got to
Speaker 4: you know, guys are coming from non resident spending five
Speaker 4: hundred dollars. They're expecting your book to be accurate. So
Speaker 4: if you're pulling out Walkin's partially through the season at
Speaker 4: any moment's glass and you've got a printed book here
Speaker 4: that says it's public, it creates a lot of confusion.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, so I think that maybe once it's
Speaker 4: entered into walking, it can't come out till the first
Speaker 4: of the year.
Speaker 3: It would maybe be a good policy.
Speaker 4: And then if we can't do that, maybe at least
Speaker 4: update the maybe at least update the Google earth Maps,
Speaker 4: because that's instant, you know. I mean that takes five
Speaker 4: seconds to I shouldn't say five, but thirty seconds to
Speaker 4: go in there and you save the new kl kml
Speaker 4: or kmz file and boom. At least guys using not
Speaker 4: now have accurate So I've ran into a few scenarios
Speaker 4: of that. Now. I had those two and no trouble
Speaker 4: came about of those. They were caught in time and
Speaker 4: he confirmed the piece that I had been on two
Speaker 4: days or three days before that is I was still
Speaker 4: good then, but you know it, it could have been
Speaker 4: really bad, especially in the case that them two older
Speaker 4: guys with them two big bucks in that draw that
Speaker 4: pond hadn't been there, we'd have went right in there
Speaker 4: and probably I mean it was set up pretty well
Speaker 4: to get to get one or two.
Speaker 3: Out of there, and then it's like what you know,
Speaker 3: So I mean.
Speaker 4: That one with matt in in uncuffed, it was you know,
Speaker 4: you know, they didn't change anything from from those situations
Speaker 4: that happened years ago where I contacted them, Like they
Speaker 4: can still pull them walk ins out at any point
Speaker 4: in time. And and you can't trust their Google earth Maps,
Speaker 4: and you can't trust their printed maps because they they
Speaker 4: I don't have that, they don't have it implemented on
Speaker 4: to like the first of the year. See, like in Wisconsin,
Speaker 4: it wouldn't matter if it changed ownership or not. You're
Speaker 4: in contract, and you know, with those programs, and so
Speaker 4: they they didn't have an option to till the first
Speaker 4: of the year. They couldn't be so even if a
Speaker 4: new owner came in and bought that piece, if they
Speaker 4: were part of that program, they had to wait till
Speaker 4: the end of the year to pull it out of
Speaker 4: that program. And so that kept it pretty clean on
Speaker 4: that front. So it can get messy out you know.
Speaker 4: I mean I've run into guys. I mean, even what
Speaker 4: happened in twenty sixteen therein you know, in Minnesota, that
Speaker 4: should have never happened. Yeah, I should have done somewhere digging,
Speaker 4: but that should have never never happened. There should have
Speaker 4: been signs put up that was marked wrong. And those
Speaker 4: people knew that, and so did the game word and
Speaker 4: that information got back to me. I had somebody that
Speaker 4: detected that in my video and they come up to
Speaker 4: me and they said I was bow hunting that, and
Speaker 4: I thought the same thing. After a few times and
Speaker 4: they're like, something's not right, and they identified exactly what
Speaker 4: peace without me telling them and who the warden was,
Speaker 4: and that.
Speaker 3: Threw me for a loop because he told me.
Speaker 4: He said, well, the warden told me that that's not public,
Speaker 4: and I was like, well, the wharton told us he
Speaker 4: didn't know anything about it, and that was after you
Speaker 4: So what was going on there? You know? You know that, yeah,
Speaker 4: there was I should have done some more thorough but
Speaker 4: I mean that I looked at everything and that it
Speaker 4: was there was some responsibility on other parties there on
Speaker 4: that particular one too, that would have made.
Speaker 3: It pretty.
Speaker 4: There was multiple instances of other people hunting that ground
Speaker 4: that thought it was public that year.
Speaker 2: Man, Well, I think it's all. It's all a good
Speaker 2: reminder to just double check, right, I mean, that's that's
Speaker 2: the thing is, like, it's with all these regulations, I
Speaker 2: find myself always trying to remind myself, like double check,
Speaker 2: see if anything change, make sure this actually matches up,
Speaker 2: make sure the map matches, the website matches, the whatever,
Speaker 2: because there is unfortunately, there's a lot of things to
Speaker 2: keep track of, and in the end, if someone wants
Speaker 2: to give you a hard time, it's going to fall
Speaker 2: on you. So that's a good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's one thing. You know.
Speaker 4: It's written in a way where it's your responsibility. So
Speaker 4: even if the signs are up that show at public
Speaker 4: even if you have the state maps, uh, it's still
Speaker 4: your responsibility the way the law is written, which is
Speaker 4: very frustrating if you end up in one of those situations,
Speaker 4: you know. So we we had that situation. Nothing really
Speaker 4: came about of it, but it would have been a
Speaker 4: really bad deal on the ride and where the refuge
Speaker 4: wasn't marked as refuge. It was marked as public hunting
Speaker 4: from Iowa DNR map that we had, and they didn't
Speaker 4: have signs up marking it.
Speaker 3: We went in by boat.
Speaker 4: We went in by boat, had never hunted there before,
Speaker 4: but oh, all this public acres, We'll go in by boat.
Speaker 3: Spot one hundred and forty five inch.
Speaker 4: We were having a pretty tough hunt already, and that's
Speaker 4: why we were cruising. We were an hour and a
Speaker 4: half two hours from where we normally are, and there
Speaker 4: was a couple of questions earlier that day on pieces
Speaker 4: that we called in another county award to get clarity on,
Speaker 4: and in that particular case, we're boom parked, spotted this
Speaker 4: big buck parked the boat on the beach, and we're
Speaker 4: going up the beach and we're getting pretty close to
Speaker 4: where we're in kill zone, Like we're I think sixty
Speaker 4: seventy yards out from this buck in the weeds. Turn
Speaker 4: back and look, and there's a guy and a dog
Speaker 4: over by our boat, and he's walking towards us, and
Speaker 4: we kind of realize, we're like, we need to get
Speaker 4: him stopped or we're gonna blow this stock. So chance
Speaker 4: he goes, you know, sneaking back, and I go with
Speaker 4: him to film this, you know, like, hey, we're on
Speaker 4: a buck. Turns out it's a gaateboard and we're on
Speaker 4: a refuge. If he would have stopped, if you would
Speaker 4: have stayed at the boat and not killmar away, we
Speaker 4: would have killed that buck right right in front of him,
Speaker 4: right in front of him, and never knew. And when
Speaker 4: I went down there, you know, of course, they make
Speaker 4: up a lot of excuses of why it, you know,
Speaker 4: and in my mind, I'm like, there's no excuse. A
Speaker 4: refuge is not refuge if it's not if it's not
Speaker 4: marked that way on a map and signs. I went
Speaker 4: down there and did a range fine, because they say, well,
Speaker 4: there's signs. The closest sign to the water's edge was
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty seven yards up in the timber.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 4: It's tough to have a refuge if you got marked
Speaker 4: on the map otherwise, you know. So, oh, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, nothing serious came about of.
Speaker 2: That, but I was like, yeah, stressful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, and I've heard stories of of
Speaker 4: you know, and I think overall things are getting getting better,
Speaker 4: you know. I a few years later, I h I
Speaker 4: saw some changes on some some of the different apps
Speaker 4: and things where it told me they're getting more accurate
Speaker 4: information from the county level and that and that's to
Speaker 4: be expected that things get more and more refined.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I got to believe that now there's more
Speaker 2: and more people doing this kind of thing and looking
Speaker 2: into these kinds of things. I think probably the various
Speaker 2: government officials are finding these oversights and realizing, oh wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: there are people actually wanting to come in here, and
Speaker 2: we don't have it properly signed or labeled. So so
Speaker 2: hopefully this stuff gets fixed. Hopefully, uh, hopefully things become
Speaker 2: a little bit more clear, because it can get very
Speaker 2: confusing out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it can't. And then every state's different, you know.
Speaker 4: You know how it is in the West, where it's
Speaker 4: you're you're come across, there's fence lines and stuff all
Speaker 4: the time, and that doesn't mean that it's a property line.
Speaker 4: A lot of times that public continues, whereas like in
Speaker 4: the Midwest, you come across a fence line and almost
Speaker 4: always that's a property line, and so it can get
Speaker 4: it can get pretty you know. Well, you've got a
Speaker 4: lot of experience by this point, and a lot of
Speaker 4: these different states too, to have seen how things change
Speaker 4: from state to state.
Speaker 2: And yep, you just gotta gotta stay up on it,
Speaker 2: do your best, right, all right, I'm gonna let you
Speaker 2: go here, Jared, with final few rapid fire quick questions.
Speaker 2: You're allowed just like a one word answer to the okay, okay,
Speaker 2: just first thought right off the bat, here we go.
Speaker 2: Does the moon matter to deer movement? Yes or no?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Would you take a fifty yard shot at a white
Speaker 2: tail with your bow? Yes or no?
Speaker 3: No, I shouldn't.
Speaker 2: I'll give you.
Speaker 4: A tiny done it before by log but with a
Speaker 4: compound all the Yeah, yeah, I did that all the time,
Speaker 4: back in the early days, you know, and not shouldn't
Speaker 4: say all the time, but it's you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's pretty easy with a compound, but.
Speaker 2: Possibly yeah, Okay, if you can only have one of
Speaker 2: these tools for the rest of your hunts, would it
Speaker 2: be a set of rattling antlers or a grunt too,
Speaker 2: rattling antlers expandable or fixed blade broadheads?
Speaker 4: I'm a fixed.
Speaker 2: Should you stop a buck with some kind of sound
Speaker 2: before shooting? Yes? Or no? A moving buck?
Speaker 4: I don't think.
Speaker 2: All right, this one of the it's relative.
Speaker 4: It's relative of the hunt, hunter to and experience and
Speaker 4: certain things.
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, and you've got a very unique situation compared
Speaker 2: a lot of guys too, with how you're shooting and everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's the the animals react different when you
Speaker 4: stop them compared to sometimes it's easier to gauge if
Speaker 4: if the movement's very steady and there's no panic in
Speaker 4: the hunt in the arch, sure he can probably execute
Speaker 4: that shot much smoother by not stopping them with less
Speaker 4: reaction from the animal.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of variables in there.
Speaker 4: You know, some some archers may be better to stop
Speaker 4: that year, but your reaction from the animal is going
Speaker 4: to be you know, so that that one's a tough
Speaker 4: one to really susy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, this one you can you can riff
Speaker 2: on a little bit. Imagine that I control hunting access
Speaker 2: across the country, hunting rights, like I can control whether
Speaker 2: or not you get a hunting license. Okay, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to take your hunting license away for the rest
Speaker 2: of your life unless you kill a mature buck this year.
Speaker 2: You need to kill one mature buck this year, and
Speaker 2: if you don't, no more hunting the rest of your life. Okay.
Speaker 2: But here's the trick. You only have one day to
Speaker 2: get this done, in one place to do it. So
Speaker 2: I need you to pick the date on the calendar
Speaker 2: that you think you'd have your very best chance to
Speaker 2: kill a mature buck. And I need you to describe
Speaker 2: for me the location that you would set yourself down on.
Speaker 2: Now you're a little bit different. A lot of guys
Speaker 2: would pick like a tree stand in a certain kind
Speaker 2: of zone. I know you're different, so I'll let you
Speaker 2: like you can. I'll pick the spot you want to
Speaker 2: be dropped off at. You have to be on foot.
Speaker 2: You can describe to me what kind of spot you
Speaker 2: want to be dropped off at and what kind of
Speaker 2: stuff's around you? All right, high stakes hunt, Give me
Speaker 2: the date and the situation to be dropped off at.
Speaker 3: I can pick the location, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, you can whatever location you want, Okay.
Speaker 3: I'd probably go.
Speaker 4: November twenty second, and I'd go Iowa, and the terrain
Speaker 4: would be wooded with mixed with some CRP grass, you know,
Speaker 4: button up to kind of an intermix of both. That's
Speaker 4: that's what I would do.
Speaker 2: And why why November twice second? That's later than a
Speaker 2: lot of guys pick, and and why mixed timber and
Speaker 2: cover in CRP versus like a wide open thing that
Speaker 2: we see so much?
Speaker 4: Okay, Well you said mature buck, right, yep? Okay, So
Speaker 4: in the early days, I maybe would have picked Kansas.
Speaker 4: But Kansas on the planes has gotten a lot more
Speaker 4: pressure and over the years, and so it can take
Speaker 4: several days to actually land a big buck visually a
Speaker 4: big mature buck on public in a good scenario to
Speaker 4: kill it. So not so much in the early days.
Speaker 4: And then you know, ten years ago, I probably would
Speaker 4: have picked Kansas in this in this particular scenario. The
Speaker 4: reason I went late in Iowa is because I would
Speaker 4: pick an area that has a lot of bucks and
Speaker 4: a lot of dose, and I could probably find a
Speaker 4: mature buck on that day around those dates within kind
Speaker 4: of what I laid out there, that's cruising or trying
Speaker 4: to find another dough. There's enough good bucks in that
Speaker 4: area and enough dose that some are probably still coming
Speaker 4: in and you know out and I would as far
Speaker 4: as like, we don't know what conditions we're going to
Speaker 4: get to deal with, whether we're going to get a
Speaker 4: lot of wind or not. So having timber as an
Speaker 4: option and grass as an option, I can work my eyes,
Speaker 4: I can get in the timber if I need to.
Speaker 4: And that's kind of what I did with a little
Speaker 4: bit of time I got last fall. And I did
Speaker 4: get on a shooter every day, so I didn't kill one,
Speaker 4: but I you know, I I also damn near had
Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy five inch typical in my lap too, so.
Speaker 3: You know, I had a good few days getting out there.
Speaker 4: But it was a situation much like I described, and
Speaker 4: so that's that's why I went. I kind of digested
Speaker 4: it after, like I wasn't quite expecting that, but I
Speaker 4: dissected all the different factors after I seen what I've
Speaker 4: seen as to why that was really good for.
Speaker 2: Me, So it makes sense. So yeah, all right, what
Speaker 2: I would do? I like it. I like the plan.
Speaker 2: I think it'll work. Hopefully you'll never find yourself in
Speaker 2: a situation like that where you only have one day
Speaker 2: to get it done and uh, such igh stakes. But uh,
Speaker 2: but tell me this last thing. What should folks be
Speaker 2: looking forward to from White Tail Adrenaline? Uh, in the
Speaker 2: in the short term or in the long term. Anything
Speaker 2: you want folks to know about anything people should be
Speaker 2: checking out right now as they listen to this. What
Speaker 2: do you want people to know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we're as far as the next film goes.
Speaker 4: It's very far along in production. It still has some
Speaker 4: time to go on it, but it to to really
Speaker 4: make it what it needs to be that people really
Speaker 4: like about our content, you know, it's it's gonna be
Speaker 4: an incredible set, a lot of really good hunts and
Speaker 4: really good bow hunts. And then moving forward, Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: it's a fairly large project. The next one. H moving
Speaker 4: forward after that, there won't be people won't see as
Speaker 4: much gun, it'll be much more bow and even the
Speaker 4: next one has quite a bit of you know, quite
Speaker 4: a bit higher ratio of bo i'd say, and some
Speaker 4: I can't wait for the next one to come out, but.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be.
Speaker 4: I I expect it to be the new, the new
Speaker 4: you know, Defiance has been for a long time, probably
Speaker 4: our overall top picked video, and a lot of people
Speaker 4: have really enjoyed the Uncuffed series. The next one coming out,
Speaker 4: the Hunts are gonna come. They came together so smooth
Speaker 4: and such incredible hunts that.
Speaker 3: It maybe be too much if it came.
Speaker 4: Out too quick on top of Uncuffed, it maybe be
Speaker 4: too much.
Speaker 3: So I'm excited about it, you know.
Speaker 4: And uh, I just want to thank everybody who hung
Speaker 4: in there for the production of Uncuffed. And it seems
Speaker 4: like we got through that and and it seems like
Speaker 4: people really enjoyed have enjoyed Uncuffed, and so uh some
Speaker 4: people are new to the company surprisingly buying DVD's. That's
Speaker 4: that's awesome, welcome and uh and those that have been
Speaker 4: there for the long haul, I thank you for for
Speaker 4: hanging in there and and.
Speaker 2: Uh so and you've got more available on digital right, like,
Speaker 2: like that's becoming more of an option in the future.
Speaker 2: Is that correct, Yeah, it will be.
Speaker 4: Resurgence is on digital for available for purchasing. For those
Speaker 4: that don't know how our business model and company works.
Speaker 4: We don't take outside you know, sponsor. We don't do
Speaker 4: sponsors funded you know, by companies within the industry.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of companies.
Speaker 4: I use a lot of optics, you know, and and
Speaker 4: and and whatnot. But I don't do any exchange of
Speaker 4: money for for any to to fund the productions. So
Speaker 4: people actually buy the content. What we try to do
Speaker 4: is produce it to the best of our abilities, to
Speaker 4: produce a really good product. The offsetter is it is
Speaker 4: not free too, you know, uh for people, so it
Speaker 4: is purchaseable and I do in time plan to have
Speaker 4: all of them available on digital.
Speaker 3: But the vinyl.
Speaker 4: Record discs look cool on the bookshelf, and uh so
Speaker 4: thanks for everybody that's been buying them over the years.
Speaker 3: And uh and for the.
Speaker 4: People that really are like you, better not stop making DVDs.
Speaker 4: We don't have any plan to stop making DVDs for
Speaker 4: a while, but yes, I hope to have Uncuffed available
Speaker 4: on digital around the end of the year. Is where
Speaker 4: it looks right now, So.
Speaker 2: Cool man, keep up the good work, keep on grinding that.
Speaker 2: I know it sure seems like a heck of an undertaking,
Speaker 2: but we all have been enjoying your hunts over these
Speaker 2: many years. We've all learned a lot. You've been an innovator,
Speaker 2: someone who has really brought a lot of new things
Speaker 2: to light for folks, and I, for one, I'm very
Speaker 2: appreciative of that.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you well. When you make a lot
Speaker 4: of mistakes, That's one thing I've been doing some reflected
Speaker 4: because I'm working on in our story page on the website,
Speaker 4: and so I've been posting up some of the old
Speaker 4: photos and it's taken me down memory lane a little bit,
Speaker 4: and I was like, you know, from the get go,
Speaker 4: we we made the decision we're going to show our
Speaker 4: mistakes as they unfold.
Speaker 3: And I think the caveat on the flip side.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a little hard to swallow sometimes, right, but
Speaker 4: you just over time, I mean, we actually accepted it
Speaker 4: pretty well. But that refined us. You know, you're facing
Speaker 4: the truth of what went wrong, and so you eventually
Speaker 4: put some dirt in those holes or would you know,
Speaker 4: some of them and other ones then you know come
Speaker 4: to development.
Speaker 2: But that's we are humans. Yeah, yeah, exactly, so that's
Speaker 2: the truth.
Speaker 4: Anyway.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks a lot.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate you having this has been fun and
Speaker 4: hopefully people got something out of it.
Speaker 2: I know they did. Let's talk again soon, Jereck. If
Speaker 2: you can add just a little bit of a wrinkle
Speaker 2: to your usual strategy and see what you can learn.
Speaker 2: So that'll say, appreciate you being here, Appreciate you being
Speaker 2: a part of this community. Best of luck on your
Speaker 2: upcoming hunts, and until next time, stay wired to Hunt.