WEBVTT - Ep. 817: What Would Jared Scheffler Do?

0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:08.760
<v Speaker 1>the White Tail Woods, presented by first Light, creating proven

0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.120
<v Speaker 1>versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First

0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:26.400
<v Speaker 2>the show, we are running Jared Sheffler through our what

0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.600
<v Speaker 2>would you Do? Gauntlet, which I will be presenting Jared

0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.479
<v Speaker 2>with some of the toughest deer hunting situations I can

0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:53.800
<v Speaker 2>think of to see exactly how we handle it. All right,

0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:57.840
<v Speaker 2>welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to

0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:01.600
<v Speaker 2>you by first Light there Camo for Initiative and the

0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.440
<v Speaker 2>brand new white Tail line. It's good stuff, go check

0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.720
<v Speaker 2>it out over at first Light dot com. And today's episode,

0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:11.399
<v Speaker 2>we are continuing the What would You Do? Series. Today's

0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:15.440
<v Speaker 2>guest is Jared Scheffler, and I'm gonna give you some

0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:17.920
<v Speaker 2>background on Jared and some background on the series just

0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.520
<v Speaker 2>in case you're new the series. The what would you

0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Do Gauntlet basically entails me running really good deer hunters

0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.560
<v Speaker 2>through a series of hypothetical deer hunting situations. So I

0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:36.640
<v Speaker 2>try to present a very specific situation, some certain circumstances like, hey,

0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.360
<v Speaker 2>you're going to be in this state with these conditions

0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.400
<v Speaker 2>at this time of year, and here's what's going on.

0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.080
<v Speaker 2>What would you do? Why would you do that? How

0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:47.360
<v Speaker 2>would you do that? That's the kind of stuff we're

0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.640
<v Speaker 2>going for. And the whole the idea behind this is

0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.440
<v Speaker 2>just to get a different way of learning from these people. Right,

0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.280
<v Speaker 2>there's all sorts of hunting podcasts out there. There's a

0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:58.360
<v Speaker 2>lot of these people who have been heard from on

0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.160
<v Speaker 2>many of these podcasts many times. So I'm trying to

0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.720
<v Speaker 2>find new ways that we can learn, new ways that

0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:08.640
<v Speaker 2>we can grow and gain experience from these people's stories,

0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:13.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, explanations and lessons. So that's what we're trying

0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:15.720
<v Speaker 2>to achieve here today. And like I mentioned, the guest,

0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:20.280
<v Speaker 2>our guest today is Jared Scheffler from Whitetail Adrenaline. If

0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:24.040
<v Speaker 2>he haven't seen Whitetail Adrenaline, this is some different kind

0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:28.519
<v Speaker 2>of stuff. This is a style of hunting that is aggressive,

0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:32.840
<v Speaker 2>that is mobile, and is essentially all on the ground.

0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Jared kind of pioneered a lot of this stuff over

0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:40.080
<v Speaker 2>the last I don't know, maybe fifteen plus years now

0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:44.720
<v Speaker 2>with his videos showing you know, very aggressive hunting techniques

0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.880
<v Speaker 2>on the ground with a bow, sometimes just stalking up

0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.079
<v Speaker 2>on white tails, sometimes setting up on the ground and

0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:53.680
<v Speaker 2>ambushing white tails in this kind of way, sometimes using

0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:58.160
<v Speaker 2>a handheld tacoy. Jared's very good at what he does,

0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.840
<v Speaker 2>and what I want to do today was understand a

0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.919
<v Speaker 2>little bit more of how and why he does what

0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.200
<v Speaker 2>he does. So, as I mentioned, presenting him with a

0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.920
<v Speaker 2>bunch of different situations, some of these out in the

0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.480
<v Speaker 2>planes where he does a lot of stuff. Sometimes back

0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.200
<v Speaker 2>in more challenging scenarios like back east or in the

0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Upper Midwest, timber, open country, good conditions, bad conditions. I

0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.639
<v Speaker 2>try to get Jared to kind of consider all these

0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.840
<v Speaker 2>scenarios so that we deer hunters that maybe have a

0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:30.200
<v Speaker 2>difference that of circumstances can still take something from Jared.

0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.360
<v Speaker 2>So I would encourage you, even if you are, you know,

0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.520
<v Speaker 2>always a tree stand hunter or always a saddle hunter,

0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:41.680
<v Speaker 2>give this one a listen. Consider some of these new ideas.

0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Consider the thought process that Jared puts into his strategy.

0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Even if you think this stuff's crazy. Hunting on the ground,

0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.920
<v Speaker 2>slipping around, stalking in on deer, or calling deer in

0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.160
<v Speaker 2>on the ground, or using a decoy. If all that

0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.040
<v Speaker 2>sounds a little out there, I would still encourage you

0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.280
<v Speaker 2>to give this one a listen and think about is

0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.840
<v Speaker 2>there any way that this could inform what I do

0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.800
<v Speaker 2>to make myself better? Is there any little trick you

0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.400
<v Speaker 2>can take from here? Is there anything you can take

0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.000
<v Speaker 2>from his scenario that might be different than yours? And

0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.000
<v Speaker 2>do this thing we've talked about, like parallel thinking, you know,

0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.920
<v Speaker 2>take an idea from one world and apply it to

0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.600
<v Speaker 2>your world. And I think that's something we can all

0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.839
<v Speaker 2>do here with Jared. Not to mention, just try some

0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:25.640
<v Speaker 2>of the stuff he's talking about, just the way he

0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.800
<v Speaker 2>talks about it too. I mean, for many years I

0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.279
<v Speaker 2>thought I was stuck in a tree and had to

0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:36.679
<v Speaker 2>have a perfectly prepared situation to kill a deer. Once

0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.279
<v Speaker 2>I started trying some of these things to myself, I

0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.040
<v Speaker 2>came to realize that it is much more possible than

0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.839
<v Speaker 2>you realize to kill a deer on the ground without

0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:50.279
<v Speaker 2>a blind with a bow in the open. It just

0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.560
<v Speaker 2>takes some experience. It takes ripping the band aid off

0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and trying new things. Tony and I talk about this

0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot, right, try new things, if for no other

0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.560
<v Speaker 2>reason than the fact you are going to learn, you

0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.000
<v Speaker 2>are going to grow. And I guarantee you what Jared

0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:08.800
<v Speaker 2>proposes here, what he discusses, if you try even a

0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.760
<v Speaker 2>tenth of that, you will learn some new stuff. So

0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.640
<v Speaker 2>that's my long winded way of pitching you on this one.

0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.480
<v Speaker 2>I think you're gonna enjoy it. Great guy, interesting guy.

0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.960
<v Speaker 2>If you haven't checked out his videos, you should. They're wild,

0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:26.000
<v Speaker 2>they're entertaining. I can't believe some of the stuff they do.

0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.400
<v Speaker 2>So I hope you enjoy our chat here with Jared.

0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.159
<v Speaker 2>I hope your season is going well if you have

0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.440
<v Speaker 2>started already, if you're one of the lucky ones with

0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.880
<v Speaker 2>a September opener, and if not, man, we are getting

0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.680
<v Speaker 2>close to October as we speak, at least when this

0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:45.000
<v Speaker 2>episode comes out. I am in Alaska right now, but

0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.120
<v Speaker 2>hopefully I'll be back from that safe and sound here

0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.040
<v Speaker 2>and chomping a bit and ready to rock and roll

0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.239
<v Speaker 2>White Tails in a matter of days. So without further ado,

0:05:53.760 --> 0:06:02.440
<v Speaker 2>let's get to my chap with Jared. All right here

0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.239
<v Speaker 2>with me back on the show is mister Jared Scheffler. Jared,

0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:07.320
<v Speaker 2>thank you for being here.

0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.600
<v Speaker 3>Thank you for having me. Appreciate it.

0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to have you on this one. We've done

0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.719
<v Speaker 2>this mini series over the last like three or four years,

0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.680
<v Speaker 2>I think has proven to be one that folks really enjoy.

0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.160
<v Speaker 2>It's fun for me because you get this different kind

0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.440
<v Speaker 2>of look at how people do things and why people

0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.919
<v Speaker 2>do things. And you're someone who already is so unique

0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:29.839
<v Speaker 2>compared to a lot of other folks in the hunting

0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.120
<v Speaker 2>world that getting your unique take in this unique format

0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:34.560
<v Speaker 2>I think is going to be a lot of fun.

0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.279
<v Speaker 3>So well, there's more than one way, you know.

0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:41.040
<v Speaker 4>I love it because there's a lot of different strategies

0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.839
<v Speaker 4>and angles that work, you know, and we do something

0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:49.360
<v Speaker 4>that's maybe not as mainstream or whatnot, but it works

0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.920
<v Speaker 4>good for us. So I'll let you continue.

0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, I think that's that's a perfect way

0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.919
<v Speaker 2>to describe what you do and why this is I

0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:00.880
<v Speaker 2>think a good way to dive into it. And I

0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:04.640
<v Speaker 2>gotta say, I've been watching rewatching some of your videos

0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.360
<v Speaker 2>and have my sons watching with me, and and they

0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:10.400
<v Speaker 2>have started to refer to you as like the crazy guy,

0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Like that guy's crazy. So I think that they're catching

0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.320
<v Speaker 2>on to what many other folks have said when they

0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.360
<v Speaker 2>see some of the stuff you do, which is maybe

0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.280
<v Speaker 2>a little crazy to some people, but awfully effective, and

0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.800
<v Speaker 2>so I'm excited to dig into it. So it's all

0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.320
<v Speaker 2>that said, I want to be respectful of your time.

0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:31.000
<v Speaker 2>You got a lot going on. It's you know, fall

0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.080
<v Speaker 2>is very quickly approaching. So do you feel like you

0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.080
<v Speaker 2>understand the game plan here with this what would you

0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.080
<v Speaker 2>do series? Are you game to get through it?

0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:40.760
<v Speaker 3>I think?

0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.680
<v Speaker 2>So, all right, we're gonna We're gonna start with some

0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.600
<v Speaker 2>soft balls and then kind of move our way through.

0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.760
<v Speaker 2>All right, Okay, so let's imagine this first scenario. This

0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:51.960
<v Speaker 2>is this is going to help us understand kind of

0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.520
<v Speaker 2>how your mind, how you get your mind right and

0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.720
<v Speaker 2>ready for a hunt. Let's imagine that this coming fall,

0:07:58.280 --> 0:07:59.880
<v Speaker 2>you are going to go on a brand new hunt,

0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.560
<v Speaker 2>brand new location. So this is some You're in hunt

0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.880
<v Speaker 2>of public land you've never been to before, in a

0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.040
<v Speaker 2>region you've never spent any time in before. You do

0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.840
<v Speaker 2>not get to go see this property or this area

0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:12.720
<v Speaker 2>at all before the hunt, so you're gonna have zero

0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.960
<v Speaker 2>physical experience heading into it. It will be a one

0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.480
<v Speaker 2>week hunt and it's going to be somewhere in the

0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Midwest Great Plains, Ish region, So going to be kind

0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.880
<v Speaker 2>of in your sweet spot, but a new spot within that.

0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.200
<v Speaker 2>What I would like to know this is going to

0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:32.640
<v Speaker 2>be an early season hunt. What will you do before

0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:33.160
<v Speaker 2>the hunt?

0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:33.400
<v Speaker 4>So?

0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:38.080
<v Speaker 2>What is what e scouting or map studying or prep

0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:42.320
<v Speaker 2>work do you have to have done before this hunt starts?

0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:44.520
<v Speaker 2>Tell me that for early season?

0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:45.800
<v Speaker 4>Sure?

0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:46.839
<v Speaker 3>Can I ask one question?

0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.720
<v Speaker 4>Is this based on public land or knock on door

0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.160
<v Speaker 4>and public or.

0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, you know what if you wanna if you

0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:55.880
<v Speaker 2>want to throw on some knock on door, that's that's

0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.680
<v Speaker 2>available to too, I'll say you're as you say, uncuffed.

0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:00.679
<v Speaker 2>You can do some private, you can do some public.

0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.439
<v Speaker 2>I'll let you go whichever way you want with.

0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.559
<v Speaker 4>That, okay. And the reason I ask is because the

0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.840
<v Speaker 4>first thing I'm going to do is get an idea

0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:13.400
<v Speaker 4>of if there's public in a particular area, that is

0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.720
<v Speaker 4>it like a state wide tag or am I pinned

0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:17.800
<v Speaker 4>down to like a general region of the state kind

0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:18.440
<v Speaker 4>of thing too?

0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:20.320
<v Speaker 3>You know?

0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I mean some some states operate like that.

0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:27.120
<v Speaker 4>So I'm going to pull up on X or whatever

0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:31.280
<v Speaker 4>map service that's going to show what's available for public land.

0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.200
<v Speaker 4>Get just a I'm not looking at aerials or anything.

0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:36.720
<v Speaker 4>At this point, just how much acres do I have

0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:38.360
<v Speaker 4>to work with? Is there a lot?

0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:38.760
<v Speaker 3>Is there?

0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.440
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes the better stuff is where there's not a lot,

0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:44.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, it's it's, oh, you've got one hundred and

0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.880
<v Speaker 4>sixty acres and the next piece of public is ten

0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.400
<v Speaker 4>or fifteen miles away, and that sometimes is a little

0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.559
<v Speaker 4>gem that people don't want to go out of the

0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.679
<v Speaker 4>way for. So I'm just kind of going to take

0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.720
<v Speaker 4>a brief and it's it's going to take probably five

0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.960
<v Speaker 4>minutes to just kind of scrub around the read. Okay,

0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.440
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of public here. If it's early season

0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.720
<v Speaker 4>like that, I'm gonna then go in and just spend

0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.600
<v Speaker 4>just a little bit of time and I'm saying not much,

0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.800
<v Speaker 4>probably a half hour to an hour tops maybe on

0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:17.600
<v Speaker 4>my drive out even and just kind of like look

0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.000
<v Speaker 4>and see what the crops, you know, see see what

0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.120
<v Speaker 4>the ails look like for crops. Because it's early season,

0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:26.440
<v Speaker 4>so those deer are most likely going to be using crops,

0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.760
<v Speaker 4>and it doesn't necessarily need to be crops on public,

0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.959
<v Speaker 4>but at least adjacent to public that those deer may

0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.880
<v Speaker 4>be betting on the public and then using private crops

0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.800
<v Speaker 4>as well, so you know, some states have good amount

0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.600
<v Speaker 4>of crop on public lands, some don't, But that doesn't

0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.160
<v Speaker 4>mean that the deer aren't residing on public in early

0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.160
<v Speaker 4>season before they've been pressured and then using those private

0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.920
<v Speaker 4>land crops. So that's gonna kind of just narrow things

0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:53.160
<v Speaker 4>down of maybe my starting point from the vehicle when

0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.959
<v Speaker 4>I get to that area, then what I'm going to

0:10:56.040 --> 0:11:01.120
<v Speaker 4>do is I'm going to spend probably that first early

0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.200
<v Speaker 4>season gets to be long days, and depending on the

0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.200
<v Speaker 4>state in the area, it's not real productive in the

0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.880
<v Speaker 4>middle of the day to be driving around other than

0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:11.680
<v Speaker 4>if you're just trying to see what the terrain and

0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.200
<v Speaker 4>everything looks like. But even on trying to gauge if

0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:19.520
<v Speaker 4>there's other hunters, that's you know, I mean sometimes early

0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.880
<v Speaker 4>season like that, guys are all amped up and they're

0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:24.880
<v Speaker 4>set in tree stands in the middle of the day

0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.560
<v Speaker 4>and stuff. So sometimes I mean those drive rounds, but

0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.160
<v Speaker 4>we used to do a ton of that in North Dakota,

0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:31.400
<v Speaker 4>and a lot of times in the middle of the

0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.960
<v Speaker 4>day you just mentally go down a rabbit hole and

0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.640
<v Speaker 4>then you know, a couple hours before dark, it's like

0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.760
<v Speaker 4>that's your time to you know, at least. What we

0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.720
<v Speaker 4>normally do on those hunts in early season is we

0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.560
<v Speaker 4>hang back. We don't generally go in with a plan

0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.920
<v Speaker 4>of attack based on aerials out of the gate. We'll

0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:53.640
<v Speaker 4>hang back that first day or two and try to

0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:57.080
<v Speaker 4>cover ground and get visuals on those deer in the

0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.000
<v Speaker 4>morning and evening. You know, in some states and reagion

0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.520
<v Speaker 4>into those deer are going to be more active in

0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.520
<v Speaker 4>the morning, and depending on the you know, all the

0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:09.320
<v Speaker 4>other you know, moon stuff and stormfronts and things like that.

0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:10.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's a lot of variables in there.

0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.600
<v Speaker 4>We don't need to go down, but sometimes, I mean

0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:15.920
<v Speaker 4>I was quite surprised when I first started going to

0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:22.319
<v Speaker 4>North Dakota back in early two thousands and how productive

0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.800
<v Speaker 4>it was to hunt them in the mornings. You know,

0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.360
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't used to that in Wisconsin. I mean, it

0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:31.760
<v Speaker 4>was it was more nighttime in Wisconsin in early season. Yeah,

0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:33.800
<v Speaker 4>I mean, your success rate was a lot higher, at

0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.720
<v Speaker 4>least in the early season in Wisconsin. So when I

0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.520
<v Speaker 4>got to North Dakota, it's like I'd see shooter bucks

0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.480
<v Speaker 4>still two hours after the sun came up, and I'm like,

0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:47.040
<v Speaker 4>WHOA cool. I was going out there thinking, you know,

0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.880
<v Speaker 4>and I've so it varies on the state, but I

0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:54.040
<v Speaker 4>mean essentially those first couple of days and it might

0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.920
<v Speaker 4>drift into three days, is going to be used to

0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:02.640
<v Speaker 4>really just eliminate acreage and fine, you're you know, in

0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.000
<v Speaker 4>those particular cases open country like that, trying to get

0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.760
<v Speaker 4>a visual on a big one or multiple by that point.

0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.240
<v Speaker 4>Usually on those early season hunts like that, usually there's

0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.160
<v Speaker 4>a few good bucks depending on the you know, every

0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.839
<v Speaker 4>hunt's different. Sometimes it goes that way, sometimes it doesn't.

0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:20.360
<v Speaker 4>But then that's when it's like, Okay, now we're going

0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:25.000
<v Speaker 4>to move in. We've eliminated a lot of wasted time

0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.880
<v Speaker 4>in pockets that maybe wouldn't be holding a big deer,

0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.120
<v Speaker 4>and and so now we're going to go in and

0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.920
<v Speaker 4>hunt more a specific deer or there could be a

0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.640
<v Speaker 4>couple of shooters right in there, but we're going to

0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.920
<v Speaker 4>start to move in more aggressively. At that point. We're

0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:42.800
<v Speaker 4>not going to go in there trumpson around in the

0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:44.360
<v Speaker 4>middle of the day and do any of that.

0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:45.320
<v Speaker 3>We're not going in.

0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.560
<v Speaker 4>Until it's like hunt time. They're not going to know

0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:48.080
<v Speaker 4>we're coming.

0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, let's let's rewind back to pre hunt. Still, Okay,

0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:57.560
<v Speaker 2>so same scenario, new new area, new hunt, everything, but

0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:00.319
<v Speaker 2>instead of early season, let's move up the eight to

0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:05.040
<v Speaker 2>like mid to late October. Does any of your pre

0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.560
<v Speaker 2>hunt planning changes, any of the scouting? Do you look

0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.800
<v Speaker 2>for anything different with maps? Do you look for anything

0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:14.440
<v Speaker 2>different or playing anything different? If the date is mid

0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:15.400
<v Speaker 2>to late October?

0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.400
<v Speaker 4>Are we still talking about like the plane states?

0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Yep, everything's the same.

0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:21.920
<v Speaker 3>Ye, not much changes.

0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:26.440
<v Speaker 4>I might not put as much focus on on the

0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.760
<v Speaker 4>UH food source. I may not put quite as much

0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:33.600
<v Speaker 4>emphasis on necessarily that, because by that point, quite often

0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:37.080
<v Speaker 4>there's some amounts of pressure that those deer have been getting,

0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.760
<v Speaker 4>whether it's pheasant seasons that opened up, or small game

0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:44.720
<v Speaker 4>or pre scouters or early season bowl hunters, and you

0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:46.840
<v Speaker 4>know that they start to get a lot of activity.

0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:50.400
<v Speaker 4>So those deer begin to travel longer distance. In those

0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.920
<v Speaker 4>plane states, it's not uncommon form to be vetting a

0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.600
<v Speaker 4>mile a mile and a half from where they're actually

0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:59.200
<v Speaker 4>maybe even two miles at times from where they're actually feeding.

0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.120
<v Speaker 4>And so I won't put quite as much emphasis. And

0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:06.440
<v Speaker 4>I may look for pockets that are further from from

0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:10.080
<v Speaker 4>any crop, but I don't put quite as much emphasis

0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:14.480
<v Speaker 4>they generally are from what I've found further.

0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:15.520
<v Speaker 3>From that crop source.

0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:19.440
<v Speaker 4>The later the season gets, you know, obviously on rutkicks

0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:20.480
<v Speaker 4>in a lot of things change.

0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.960
<v Speaker 2>But so then that's my last thing is okay, now,

0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:24.760
<v Speaker 2>what if I said this is going to be November,

0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.760
<v Speaker 2>do you look for anything different for planning the rut hunt.

0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.800
<v Speaker 4>I pretty much don't look at crop at all for

0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:35.920
<v Speaker 4>any any any of that because those plaine states.

0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:41.200
<v Speaker 3>You know that second year we did the Kansas planes,

0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.120
<v Speaker 3>and I mean they are where we were at in

0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:48.880
<v Speaker 3>that particular time. There is planes as you can get

0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:53.760
<v Speaker 3>pretty much almost And there was one big mature buck

0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.160
<v Speaker 3>during the rut and when I went back and edited

0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.640
<v Speaker 3>the footage, it turned out we had filmed that buck.

0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.960
<v Speaker 3>I think we filmed them on all these occasions, but

0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.880
<v Speaker 3>for surely seeing them as well in eleven different square

0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:11.680
<v Speaker 3>mile sections. So that told me the range of those deer,

0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:16.040
<v Speaker 3>how far they can you know they're they're And even

0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.880
<v Speaker 3>I've come to learn more on the wooded side too,

0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:22.000
<v Speaker 3>even in northern Wisconsin. It's you know, I've had multiple

0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.760
<v Speaker 3>guys that have a trail camp picture of the same

0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:28.040
<v Speaker 3>bucks six miles apart, five six miles apart in the

0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:34.120
<v Speaker 3>timber that you know. So you know, in those earlier

0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.920
<v Speaker 3>days of the plains, I just kind of assumed those

0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.680
<v Speaker 3>deer covered more ground than you're you're wooded.

0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.440
<v Speaker 4>You know you're you're wooded, but I don't know as

0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:50.440
<v Speaker 4>they necessarily do. I shot a buck back in five

0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.880
<v Speaker 4>that turned out a guy had been chasing and that

0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:59.400
<v Speaker 4>was pretty wooded stuff, pretty wooded terrain stuff in Wisconsin.

0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.760
<v Speaker 4>I killed the buck and a guy was chasing him

0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.040
<v Speaker 4>about five six miles away, and that's where the buck

0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.320
<v Speaker 4>actually normally lived and it was late season when I

0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:09.840
<v Speaker 4>killed them.

0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:16.000
<v Speaker 3>So you know, I'm getting sidetracked a little bit.

0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.040
<v Speaker 4>But in those plain states when it comes to the rut,

0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:19.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm not looking at crop.

0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.840
<v Speaker 2>So on the maps, is there anything that you mentioned

0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.000
<v Speaker 2>you'd look for a little bit more isolated cover for

0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:30.480
<v Speaker 2>that October hunt? Does anything like that register on the maps?

0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:32.439
<v Speaker 2>When you're thinking, Okay, I'm gonna go this area. I

0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.760
<v Speaker 2>know I'm gonna drive around a lot in Glass do

0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:38.840
<v Speaker 2>you try to come into that trip with a list

0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.840
<v Speaker 2>of here's like ten properties I know or ten areas

0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:43.240
<v Speaker 2>I know I want to hit, and here's like a

0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.600
<v Speaker 2>bunch of spots that happen to have the pockets to cover.

0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.320
<v Speaker 2>I want to do not worry about that at all,

0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.240
<v Speaker 2>because you're just gonna cover ground and figure it out

0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:49.560
<v Speaker 2>in the fly.

0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.479
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I don't like to get too pre invested on

0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.960
<v Speaker 4>what I see on areos. I just don't because I

0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:59.560
<v Speaker 4>get there and then it's like you got hunting pressure,

0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.280
<v Speaker 4>you aren't ape and that totally changes everything because no

0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.120
<v Speaker 4>matter how good it looks on the aerial, if there's

0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:09.720
<v Speaker 4>pressure there, you know, you know, most of the time

0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:13.119
<v Speaker 4>a mature buck is not going to be there. You know,

0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:21.000
<v Speaker 4>there are occasions where where that happens. You know, for instance,

0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.879
<v Speaker 4>I'll give a couple examples. One one instance would be,

0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, a buck that's been heavily spending his time

0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.679
<v Speaker 4>and living his time three miles away on private not

0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.440
<v Speaker 4>getting pressured, that has no idea that this public skin

0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:35.720
<v Speaker 4>been getting pressured the last month and a half. May

0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.199
<v Speaker 4>come stroll him through there, find a hot dough or

0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.480
<v Speaker 4>push a hot dough into there, and he's in the

0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:45.760
<v Speaker 4>midst of a piece that's been pressured all year but

0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:50.040
<v Speaker 4>doesn't know it. So there are flukes like that that

0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:59.120
<v Speaker 4>that come up. Another example of that that crossed my mind. God,

0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.840
<v Speaker 4>I lost my point, so we should probably keep rolling.

0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.320
<v Speaker 4>But it was there was another example I had, so.

0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:04.840
<v Speaker 2>I believe you.

0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:05.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh oh yeah, yeah.

0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:10.840
<v Speaker 4>We're talking about the plane states where those deer they

0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.080
<v Speaker 4>can cover some ground, they can get away from from

0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:16.080
<v Speaker 4>pressure pockets. You know, you get into those higher pressured states,

0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:18.440
<v Speaker 4>like you're in Michigan. Now, I haven't hunted Michigan, but

0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.240
<v Speaker 4>I've gathered enough intel over the years to understand that

0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.960
<v Speaker 4>it's a highly pressured state. You know, I came from Wisconsin.

0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:28.120
<v Speaker 4>It's a very very pressured state. Probably not quite as

0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:31.160
<v Speaker 4>pressured overall as Michigan. But now those deer can are there,

0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.200
<v Speaker 4>but they're used to getting bumped around all the time,

0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:36.240
<v Speaker 4>and they're finding little tiny pockets to a lot of

0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:39.080
<v Speaker 4>times to live in, and so they might I think

0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.680
<v Speaker 4>they got a higher higher tolerance those deer do for pressure.

0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:46.399
<v Speaker 4>They're willing to handle, you know more and and jivjive

0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:49.240
<v Speaker 4>and and and whatnot. Whereas you get into those areas

0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:51.800
<v Speaker 4>where they have a lot of ground that isn't pressured,

0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:53.960
<v Speaker 4>they don't tolerat it as much. They just get the

0:19:54.000 --> 0:20:00.280
<v Speaker 4>hell out of there.

0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, true. You mentioned at the beginning with that

0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.800
<v Speaker 2>early season hunt. That day one, you would be cruising

0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.680
<v Speaker 2>the back roads, right, You'd be cruising looking for where

0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:22.640
<v Speaker 2>there's other pressure, looking for a deer, trying to find

0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:24.760
<v Speaker 2>a couple of shooters, start crossing spots off the map,

0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.600
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out where you're gonna focus. So that

0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:31.280
<v Speaker 2>would be your early season day one. Would your day

0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.600
<v Speaker 2>one be any different if it was? Or I'm sure

0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:37.440
<v Speaker 2>it is, But how is your early Let me rephrase this,

0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:40.480
<v Speaker 2>how is your day one different? If we're on the

0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:45.640
<v Speaker 2>new property not new property, new area. It's November. It's

0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:49.600
<v Speaker 2>very cold, but it's very still. So imagine this is

0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:52.399
<v Speaker 2>day one of your trip. We're somewhere in the planes

0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:58.440
<v Speaker 2>or Midwest. It's November, twenty four degrees zero wind. What

0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:00.640
<v Speaker 2>does the first day of this hunt like for you

0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:03.200
<v Speaker 2>in that set of circumstances.

0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:11.919
<v Speaker 4>Uh, not terribly much different generally speaking, first day, new area.

0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:15.919
<v Speaker 4>I'm still gonna I'm still gonna do pretty much that

0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:17.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna.

0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna hang back and just kind of see what's

0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:20.240
<v Speaker 3>going on.

0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:25.880
<v Speaker 4>And and sometimes there's still days like that during the rut,

0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:28.359
<v Speaker 4>it's like you can gather a lot of information and

0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:30.359
<v Speaker 4>you know it's a great time to catch a big,

0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:33.879
<v Speaker 4>big buck hung up with a dough on, you know,

0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:36.199
<v Speaker 4>and and then you know you might she might be

0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:38.119
<v Speaker 4>just coming into heat and you got three days to

0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:42.320
<v Speaker 4>play with them, and you know, unless something like pressure

0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:44.800
<v Speaker 4>moves in on that specific dear, a lot of times

0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:48.440
<v Speaker 4>they're not gonna be that far away once they get that.

0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:49.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, it depends.

0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:54.879
<v Speaker 4>It's in the great planes where it's really wide open

0:21:55.840 --> 0:22:01.320
<v Speaker 4>and there's not as much cover and pocket those deer

0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:04.960
<v Speaker 4>can end up a long ways away from one day

0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:07.399
<v Speaker 4>to the next, even when that dough is hot. But

0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:11.200
<v Speaker 4>now you get into some of the more Midwest stuff,

0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:16.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin. And I shouldn't speak for Illinois.

0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:19.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't have experience there, but the terrain is not

0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:22.879
<v Speaker 4>much too terribly different than some of you know the

0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:24.080
<v Speaker 4>Iowa Wisconsin.

0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:29.000
<v Speaker 3>Now, if there's enough cover and whatnot. There what we.

0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:32.080
<v Speaker 4>Found is those deer, once a big buckets locked on

0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:34.680
<v Speaker 4>a dough a lot of times, if he's a real

0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:37.679
<v Speaker 4>mature buck, he can just drive off all the satellite

0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.440
<v Speaker 4>bucks and that dough is pretty content being with them,

0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:45.960
<v Speaker 4>and usually in less pressure comes in and disrupts it.

0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:48.119
<v Speaker 3>And if she's just coming in.

0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:50.719
<v Speaker 4>Usually they don't end up too far away over that

0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:53.320
<v Speaker 4>two three day period. Now in the planes with a

0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:57.000
<v Speaker 4>wide open planes, like I said, totally different story. I mean,

0:22:57.280 --> 0:22:59.280
<v Speaker 4>satellite buck could come in and you can watch him

0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:05.400
<v Speaker 4>run for a mile mile and a half. So yeah, So.

0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:08.000
<v Speaker 2>What about that first situation. I want to dip in

0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.240
<v Speaker 2>that a little bit further. Let's say we're in the midwest,

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Iowa or Wisconsin or something like that, and let's say

0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:18.520
<v Speaker 2>you had your day one drive about and you spotted

0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:22.959
<v Speaker 2>a mature buck locked on a dough. It's a super still,

0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:27.000
<v Speaker 2>quiet day, and for whatever reason, I guess I have

0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:31.040
<v Speaker 2>two parts. Number one, if it's a super still day

0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:33.040
<v Speaker 2>like that and you spot them and it's getting towards

0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:34.879
<v Speaker 2>the end of the evening, would you try to make

0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:37.000
<v Speaker 2>a move on something or would you say, well, I'll

0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:40.119
<v Speaker 2>wait till tomorrow because there's a little bit more wind

0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:43.080
<v Speaker 2>and slightly better conditioned. So that's question number one. And

0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.960
<v Speaker 2>then question number two is if you lose sight of

0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:49.920
<v Speaker 2>that deer at dark, what does the next morning look like? Again,

0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:55.800
<v Speaker 2>it's Midwest, mixed cover and lightish wins the next morning,

0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:57.439
<v Speaker 2>So Part one, Part two questions.

0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:01.200
<v Speaker 4>Okay, I'm going to answer the part two question first,

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:07.000
<v Speaker 4>just so it's in because part two is if it

0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:11.520
<v Speaker 4>comes to dark, and I mean the next morning, we're

0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:16.920
<v Speaker 4>gonna be hunkered pretty close, probably not on foot, depending

0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:20.879
<v Speaker 4>on the situation, Probably not on foot, probably in the vehicle.

0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:24.160
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't mean that we might not hike a couple

0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:26.399
<v Speaker 4>hundred yards to a high point where we can really

0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:29.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, and maybe it's five hundred yards to a

0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:33.000
<v Speaker 4>high point, but we're gonna be things could have changed overnight.

0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:35.240
<v Speaker 4>You know, they'll probably be in the vicinity, but it's

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 4>probably gonna be I shouldn't say probably. There's a decent

0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:43.560
<v Speaker 4>chance they'll be somewhere in that four or five six

0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:49.520
<v Speaker 4>hundred yards. They could be right right there, you know. So, uh,

0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:52.040
<v Speaker 4>that's what we're going to do in that particular case,

0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:56.320
<v Speaker 4>rolling back to point one, very still, calm conditions, not

0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:58.720
<v Speaker 4>a lot of time left in the day to make

0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 4>it happen. That's gonna be situations, situationally based.

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 3>Because there's.

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:11.560
<v Speaker 4>When you got a big buck that's on a hot

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:16.520
<v Speaker 4>dough like that, and Chancey is phenomenal at this being

0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 4>able to recognize that those just coming into heat or

0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.560
<v Speaker 4>she's probably on day three of heat and she's probably

0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 4>gonna be out by tomorrow morning.

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Explain that that it's.

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:36.080
<v Speaker 3>It's really hard to explain. He would be better at that.

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 4>But I've watched him, whether I'm with him or editing

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:45.720
<v Speaker 4>the footage, I've watched him pick up on things and

0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:51.120
<v Speaker 4>he doesn't necessarily always just explain it, but he's usually

0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:54.840
<v Speaker 4>very accurate on that. And so, I mean, a few

0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:56.800
<v Speaker 4>years back, he had a big one that he found,

0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:00.800
<v Speaker 4>I think that was day one. He found it and

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 4>it was hung up with a dough, and he read

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:04.119
<v Speaker 4>it right out of the gate, and he it was

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:11.320
<v Speaker 4>pretty fairly calmed conditions, and he he probably would have

0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:13.720
<v Speaker 4>gotten more aggressive, but he read it right that that

0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 4>dough was just coming into heat, so he knew, Okay,

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:20.680
<v Speaker 4>that's a mature enough buck. He's not going to be

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:23.399
<v Speaker 4>too intimidated by satellite bucks and everything's going to get

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 4>disrupted and he's going to end up a mile away.

0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:28.240
<v Speaker 4>He's probably going to be pretty close the next day,

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:32.600
<v Speaker 4>so I'm not going to get too aggressive. And he

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.640
<v Speaker 4>he did it right. I mean that this game of

0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:39.040
<v Speaker 4>on the ground, it's a constant passive aggressive, you know,

0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 4>and over the years you get it more and more honed,

0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:44.119
<v Speaker 4>and there's a lot that goes into it.

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:46.200
<v Speaker 3>Now, if it appears.

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:50.040
<v Speaker 4>Let's say you got a three year old buck and

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:52.399
<v Speaker 4>let's say four and five year old bucks in this

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:56.359
<v Speaker 4>area are somewhat common, and you're already dealing with some

0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:59.320
<v Speaker 4>satellite bucks that are poking around, and he's real aggressive

0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 4>and real you know, you can just read the book

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:06.680
<v Speaker 4>and he almost kind of feels maybe a little bit threatened,

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 4>like he's not the dominant necessarily. Maybe it is a

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:14.879
<v Speaker 4>good time to move in and just try to make

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 4>it happen, because that's an indicator right there that a

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 4>lot's probably going to change overnight.

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 3>And either.

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 4>And if you're playing the public land game, there's always

0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:31.200
<v Speaker 4>that risk too of are they even going to be

0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 4>on public the next day? You know, So there's a

0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 4>lot of factors in there that you know, I will

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:47.680
<v Speaker 4>say this though, sometimes we've taken chances with like, yeah,

0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:50.000
<v Speaker 4>we got like a five percent chance this is gonna

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 4>actually work, but we just kind of feel like there's

0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 4>no point in not trying because they're probably going to

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:02.120
<v Speaker 4>be on private the next day or whatever, and we've

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 4>pulled it off or we've been so narrowly close, and

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 4>it was just a slight little mistake on our end.

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 3>In similar conditions to what you described, where there's like no.

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:14.600
<v Speaker 4>Win and it's like this is gonna be next to impossible,

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:18.879
<v Speaker 4>and then it's like, damn, we got that one, or

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:21.840
<v Speaker 4>we almost got that one. We were so close. And

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:25.360
<v Speaker 4>then there's been plenty of times where it's like, okay,

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:27.600
<v Speaker 4>you almost count your chickens before they hatch, like this

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 4>should be a slam dunk, and then we get slapped

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:31.840
<v Speaker 4>in the face.

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:36.960
<v Speaker 2>So so what about this one? What about let's just

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 2>paint this picture a little bit further. Let's say you

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 2>had those conditions the night of you observe the buck

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 2>with a dough, but for whatever reason, decide that you're

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 2>not going to press the matter. You observe them for

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 2>the last half hour of daylight. You watch them kind

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 2>of just milling around this tall brushy stuff. Okay, there's

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 2>like there's basically crp type fields, and then a few

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 2>brush your draws in the area. You come back in

0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:06.320
<v Speaker 2>the next morning. You said you would probably observe from

0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 2>a truck. Let's say you're on the side of a road,

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 2>your glass and your glass and sure enough, you spot

0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 2>them five hundred yards away, and you spot them move

0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 2>down towards one of these draws and bed, you spot

0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 2>the two deer bedded. It's an hour after daylight, now

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 2>dead still. You're five hundred and fifty yards away. It's

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 2>November seventh, it's public land. And you've seen three other

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 2>cars drive by on the road that have hunters in them.

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 2>You haven't seen them stop. You haven't seen them get

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 2>out to hunt this area. But you know, like, hey,

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 2>there's pressure around. There's a big buck betted with a

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 2>doll five hundred and fifty yards away. You watched them bed.

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 2>It's crisp, it's still. Now what do you do? And

0:29:56.480 --> 0:30:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you the wind is subpar, Like the wind

0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 2>is kind of blowing ish towards them, like kind not

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 2>straight at them from you. But you don't have the

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 2>wind in your face.

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 4>Okay, all right, So the first thing I am gonna

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 4>do is today we have the app, so tell us

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 4>what the wind's gonna do throughout the day. And it's

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 4>not always one hundred percent accurate. And then you got

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 4>trains in there and stuff, but I'm at least gonna

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 4>get an idea. Am I gonna get a fifteen to

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 4>twenty mile an hour wind here in a few hours,

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 4>is that win gonna switch? And I'm gonna take a

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:29.959
<v Speaker 4>look at all that, And that's only gonna take a

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 4>couple of minutes to boom boom boom boom boom. Okay,

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 4>all right, that's what we got to work with over

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 4>the course of the day. And then you brought up

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 4>the other hunters. Okay, so I'm assuming this buck is

0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 4>hunkered down. Okay, good, the hunters can't see them, you know. Okay,

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 4>all right, we got them all messled in, so that's good.

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 3>But being a buck with it hot though, all it's

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:00.160
<v Speaker 3>gonna take.

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 4>Is a satellite buck, cruising buck to come in there

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 4>and stir things up and they get on their feet

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 4>and the hunter just happens to drive by and sees that.

0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 4>So it's it's kind of a risky deal to lay

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:20.640
<v Speaker 4>back too. So in this particular case, from what I you,

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 4>without being in the exact situation, I'm probably going to

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:27.400
<v Speaker 4>try to get boots on the ground at least to

0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 4>get a little bit of a footing down right out

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 4>of the you know, to get an edge on other hunters. Potentially.

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:36.960
<v Speaker 4>First thing I'm going to do if I'm doing that,

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 4>is I'm going to get the vehicle parked in a

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:45.200
<v Speaker 4>way that doesn't appear that something's going on. Like you know,

0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:47.880
<v Speaker 4>if I park the vehicle right along the road and

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 4>there's a parking lot three hundred yards up the road,

0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 4>it sends like a message any hunter driving by, like, Oh,

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 4>something's going on around here. And then all of a

0:31:56.280 --> 0:32:01.440
<v Speaker 4>sudden people are slow rolling through there, doingmultiple passes, maybe

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 4>parking and stopping, and and that could totally disrupt them

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 4>when they're vetted, just by the sound of the vehicle

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 4>or just by visual maybe that the deer can see

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:15.239
<v Speaker 4>the vehicle and then it stops and it makes them

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 4>all fidgety.

0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 3>So I'm going to get that vehicle.

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 4>Away from the situation a bit and parked in a

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 4>way that you're playing defense a lot of times here,

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 4>you know, because you're trying to buy some time, you know,

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, And I mean when I say playing defense,

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 4>I mean that in all good, good, good fair competition fun.

0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:41.000
<v Speaker 4>You know. It's not like you don't want other people

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 4>to have a good hunt too, but you're in the

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 4>battle with a big buck, you know. Yeah, And and

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 4>then yeah, I mean being a very call what sounds

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 4>like a calm day at least starting out, I'm just

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:59.120
<v Speaker 4>going to gradually, just ever so slowly work my way

0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 4>in there. Now, when I say gradually and slowly, if

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 4>there's no risk from sight or sound or smell, I'm

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 4>going to cover ground very quickly because I'm not going

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:13.720
<v Speaker 4>to have a visual and anything could happen at Bumpslow's

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:15.640
<v Speaker 4>deer and the last thing, and I've been in this

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 4>situation before where to make your entrance you have to

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 4>lose your vantage point where you would maintain your visual,

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 4>and you want to cut when you're doing that. You

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 4>want to get through that whatever, whatever that is. You

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:37.720
<v Speaker 4>want to cover ground as fast as you can to

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 4>get at least your vantage.

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Back, because we've done that before.

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 4>And then spend hours slow creeping in there to find

0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:50.840
<v Speaker 4>that they exited the whole situation while we were doing

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 4>the ten minute you know pass where we lost our

0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 4>where we had to lose our vantage point, and then

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:02.160
<v Speaker 4>we crawl in there and it's like where did they go?

0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 4>Where did they go? Where did they go?

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:05.440
<v Speaker 3>They're not here?

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 4>Oh no, so so and and two when we're talking

0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 4>about you mentioned like you're in your vehicle, I want

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 4>to The reason so often we don't like to leave

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 4>that vehicle in these situations until we're actually going in

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 4>is because the vehicle allows us to cover a lot

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 4>of ground. It's it's it's a lot of times a

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 4>vehicle gets referenced as a vehicle, it is in this

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:36.319
<v Speaker 4>case a vehicle that allows us to get to the

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:40.359
<v Speaker 4>next vantage point in case something you know, I mean,

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:43.759
<v Speaker 4>something happens and they take off running. That happens a

0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:45.759
<v Speaker 4>lot of times, and you maybe need to get to

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 4>the next vantage point. So and and like I said,

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:52.919
<v Speaker 4>sometimes the vantage point is a hike in a little

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:55.520
<v Speaker 4>bit from the vehicle, and sometimes it's a long ways

0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:56.400
<v Speaker 4>in from the vehicle.

0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 2>But you're.

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 4>When you're lead even that vehicle and you're you're not

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 4>ready to move in for the stock, you're at high

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:13.759
<v Speaker 4>risk of if they decide something happens that triggers them

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 4>to cover ground and you're a ways away from the vehicle,

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:22.200
<v Speaker 4>you're at high risk of losing it for the rest

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:27.239
<v Speaker 4>of the day, losing your opportunity because they might take

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:31.960
<v Speaker 4>off running over a hill or whatever that you can't

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 4>maintain your visual, You have no idea what happened where

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:37.759
<v Speaker 4>they went after that, and by the time you get

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:39.880
<v Speaker 4>to the vehicle and get to the next fountain, they

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 4>might already be vetted down in a pocket. You don't

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:43.399
<v Speaker 4>know if they're half a mile this way or half

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:48.319
<v Speaker 4>mile that way, or or whatnot. So that's why a

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 4>lot of times we like to, you know, during that

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 4>time of the year, we like to keep fairly close

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 4>to the vehicle in case we need to relocate to

0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 4>another vantage point pretty quickly.

0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:02.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, so makes sense. So you stayed by the

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 2>vehicle for as long as possible, But now you're going

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 2>to make the move. You said you'd cover distance as

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:10.439
<v Speaker 2>fast as you could, as long as there's no risk

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:14.239
<v Speaker 2>of sight, sound, or smell interfering. So let's say you

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.239
<v Speaker 2>did that. So we went from five hundred and fifty

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:19.319
<v Speaker 2>yards to Let's now say you were able to cut

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:21.720
<v Speaker 2>it to two hundred and fifty. But at two hundred

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:23.719
<v Speaker 2>and fifty yards you come out of like you lose

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 2>your little hill, and now it's there's a risk of

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 2>being seen. Now from two hundred and fifty yards and

0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:35.240
<v Speaker 2>end it's still the wind is still low, it's still dry.

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:39.240
<v Speaker 4>What Now, that's where you start putting on the brakes

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:43.279
<v Speaker 4>a lot of times and moving very very slow. You

0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 4>got good thing here is you got all day. You

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:48.200
<v Speaker 4>got a lot of hours in the day. So there's

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:51.359
<v Speaker 4>and you got your advantage. So you can see if

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 4>they if something happens and they decide they're going to

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 4>relocate or whatever.

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 3>So you're not in the dark.

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 4>I guess you're not slow creeping in the dark where

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:07.319
<v Speaker 4>they could take an exit route, not an exit route

0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:09.360
<v Speaker 4>necessarily because they know about you.

0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:11.320
<v Speaker 3>Just for whatever reason, they get flighty.

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:14.319
<v Speaker 4>A vehicle comes up the road, a satellite buck comes in,

0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 4>whatever the case might be. You've got your vantage to

0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:23.640
<v Speaker 4>that point to observe that you got all day. Now

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:25.759
<v Speaker 4>it's time to most of the time. It's going to

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:28.839
<v Speaker 4>be time to put the brakes on. And all that

0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 4>hustling you did through that point that you bought a

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:33.959
<v Speaker 4>little time too in there, and so now it's time

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 4>to You were a rabbit before, now it's time to

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:37.320
<v Speaker 4>be a turtle.

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you're slow rolling. Now, let me introduce a

0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 2>red flag. Maybe at two hundred fifty yards. You're sneaking

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:53.600
<v Speaker 2>a long, nice and quiet, you're the tortoise right now,

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:55.799
<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden that buck stands up

0:37:56.480 --> 0:38:00.920
<v Speaker 2>and looks right at you and staring at you, and

0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:05.400
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm assuming you have your handheld decoy with you.

0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Do you have your decoy with you.

0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:08.400
<v Speaker 4>This most of the time, I'm not going to have

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:10.719
<v Speaker 4>that popped out yet, you're not if I if I

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:12.360
<v Speaker 4>have it, no, but you.

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Would possibly take it with you on this type of stock,

0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:16.080
<v Speaker 2>So it's probably with you.

0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 4>Maybe it probably would be, but it's probably not pulled

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:22.160
<v Speaker 4>out yet. If I'm two hundred or two hundred and

0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 4>fifty yards away.

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so then let's let's say this. Then, so he

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:28.839
<v Speaker 2>stands up, You're two hundred and fifty yards away, and

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:31.200
<v Speaker 2>he locks right on you, and you you have no

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:34.759
<v Speaker 2>reason to think he smells you, but somehow he pegged you.

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:40.880
<v Speaker 4>Now what, Freeze for a long time, don't move for

0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:44.080
<v Speaker 4>a long long time, and you're far enough away if

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:47.279
<v Speaker 4>he's not. If he's not, the general rule I've come

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:52.240
<v Speaker 4>to find is if they aren't exiting, they just saw something.

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:55.280
<v Speaker 4>They haven't confirmed that you're a human or your threat

0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:58.799
<v Speaker 4>or anything yet. So since he's got a hot dough there,

0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 4>if you just freeze and don't move, you'll probably be fine.

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 4>He'll he'll get preoccupied and sidetracked after a little while,

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 4>and he might kind of pop back in, you know,

0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:16.600
<v Speaker 4>and check on it a couple of times. Usually if

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:18.759
<v Speaker 4>he's gonna do that, it's it's not gonna be a

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:21.440
<v Speaker 4>long time. Like he'll get sidetracked at the dough for

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:23.799
<v Speaker 4>a minute and then he might come back to you,

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.280
<v Speaker 4>but it's usually not a half hour later or something.

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:30.440
<v Speaker 3>He's you know, moved on.

0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 4>And so usually if if they're pretty certain, if I

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:37.759
<v Speaker 4>sense it, they're pretty certain something doesn't look right to him,

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 4>I pretty much expect the more attention they're given me

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:46.359
<v Speaker 4>in that one first instant stance, like they stand there

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:49.520
<v Speaker 4>for a few minutes, they're pretty convinced something's not right.

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.440
<v Speaker 4>So that tells me that they're gonna come back to me,

0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:56.920
<v Speaker 4>Like they're gonna get sidetracked here in a minute with something,

0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 4>but they've locked onto this situation enough to where they're

0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:04.600
<v Speaker 4>going to come back to it in a minute or

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:07.719
<v Speaker 4>ten seconds or you know, I mean, it could be

0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 4>just the normal trick of you know, you see this

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:14.879
<v Speaker 4>a lot in early season, is you know they're trying

0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:19.400
<v Speaker 4>to you know, they're i mean all kinds of predatory

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 4>game does this to them. So that's how they got

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 4>so honed over, you know, thousands of years is is?

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:30.960
<v Speaker 4>I mean, okay, if I look away, they know I'm

0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 4>looking away, and that's when they're going to be moving up.

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:39.200
<v Speaker 4>Did I get you? You know? Okay? So and eventually

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:42.319
<v Speaker 4>they they if they start doing that and I and

0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:45.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm not moving, I've already beat them. It's just a

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:50.160
<v Speaker 4>matter of I've already tricked them. They just don't know

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:54.360
<v Speaker 4>it yet. But I got to be patient and just

0:40:55.120 --> 0:41:00.040
<v Speaker 4>not move. And eventually, nine times out of ten and

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:01.400
<v Speaker 4>they eventually forget about it.

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:06.880
<v Speaker 3>And except that it's nothing.

0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm gonna keep on playing this out. So that

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:11.840
<v Speaker 2>happens at two hundred fifty yards. He stands up, he

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 2>stares you down. You freeze. Fifteen minutes go by. He

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:19.320
<v Speaker 2>does the head bob at the end, but you don't blink,

0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 2>you don't breathe, you don't move a muscle, nothing goes wrong,

0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:27.040
<v Speaker 2>the wind doesn't swirl. Eventually he gets back, puts his

0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 2>attention on the dough. They re bet you now continue

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:35.720
<v Speaker 2>your slow creep. It's now noon, and over the next

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 2>three hours you close the distance from two hundred and

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:45.560
<v Speaker 2>fifty yards to eighty yards. But at eighty yards, because

0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:48.160
<v Speaker 2>of the lay of the land, there really is like

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:51.279
<v Speaker 2>no way you can stay out of sight. I mean

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:53.960
<v Speaker 2>even if you were like on all fours, if you

0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:55.840
<v Speaker 2>were to kind of you're kind of coming down a

0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:59.080
<v Speaker 2>hill now towards him and her, and they're bedded facing you.

0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:01.719
<v Speaker 2>So at this point you see no way you could

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:05.319
<v Speaker 2>possibly get any closer without them seeing you. Now at

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:09.359
<v Speaker 2>eighty yards, it's three o'clock in the afternoon. You're eighty

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:12.400
<v Speaker 2>yards away from the buck bedded with the dough facing

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:19.880
<v Speaker 2>you in you know, anywhere from like shin to just

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:25.200
<v Speaker 2>above knee high grass. Now, okay, you have your handheld

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:27.719
<v Speaker 2>decoy with you, you have a cameraman with you, you

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:31.560
<v Speaker 2>have a bow with you. Still not a lot of

0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:35.480
<v Speaker 2>wind we now have, you know, two and a half

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:39.360
<v Speaker 2>hours of daylight left something like that. What do you

0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 2>do over the next two and a half hours.

0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:47.040
<v Speaker 4>That is a tough scenario. The first thing I would

0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 4>potentially consider is I have this thing that sometimes I

0:42:56.640 --> 0:43:04.799
<v Speaker 4>will try stuff that is it's nearly impossible. I don't

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:06.399
<v Speaker 4>know if it's just to see if it would work

0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:12.839
<v Speaker 4>or or what, but I I would evaluate could I

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:15.360
<v Speaker 4>slither on my belly, not on all fours, but just

0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:18.960
<v Speaker 4>literally on my belly. Could I slope slither down this

0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:21.840
<v Speaker 4>hill ever so slowly and I'm in plain sight, but

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:25.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm moving slow enough and I'm low enough. Could I

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:27.600
<v Speaker 4>pull that off? And could I do it quiet enough

0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:35.160
<v Speaker 4>to where I didn't alarm them by sound without a

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 4>lot of wind though? You know, compound guys, you're a

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 4>lot safer because you got the range. So one thing

0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:51.719
<v Speaker 4>I've learned over the years is you know, I like

0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:55.560
<v Speaker 4>to get inside of twenty on them with a long bow. Well,

0:43:57.320 --> 0:43:58.920
<v Speaker 4>you get inside of twenty and you don't have a

0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:02.960
<v Speaker 4>lot of time. Yeah, And the tree stand guys know this.

0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:05.680
<v Speaker 4>When they get a big, mature old buck coming in,

0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:08.640
<v Speaker 4>when they start to break twenty yards coming in to

0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:11.200
<v Speaker 4>their tree stands set, they know a lot can that

0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:16.760
<v Speaker 4>buck can detect them through various methods and ways very quickly,

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:22.560
<v Speaker 4>and oftentimes they do. So you're going to break that

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 4>threshold of twenty sneaking in on them, and then you're

0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:27.480
<v Speaker 4>going to hang out there for an hour.

0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:33.879
<v Speaker 3>To wait for an opportunity. That's very difficult to.

0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:36.319
<v Speaker 4>Do, especially when you don't have a lot of win

0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:38.799
<v Speaker 4>because then that wind just sits there and turns and

0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:40.480
<v Speaker 4>spins and you don't know what it's going to do,

0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:44.279
<v Speaker 4>and you can't. You can have the most optimal win,

0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:48.120
<v Speaker 4>but if there's not much of it, you really don't.

0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 4>So I mean, I had a big, big, mature nine

0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:57.520
<v Speaker 4>pointer last year and it would have been a perfect

0:44:57.560 --> 0:45:00.399
<v Speaker 4>situation for a compoundent and we had five I think

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 4>five mile an hour winds. It wasn't much. I looked

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:06.759
<v Speaker 4>at them, I'm like, it ain't picking up today, and

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:10.719
<v Speaker 4>it was I think it was late morning we went

0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:13.480
<v Speaker 4>into this was in the timber, and I had a

0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:18.720
<v Speaker 4>beautiful fifty yard shot with a compound, but we had

0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 4>what would be the perfect wind, but with it that looks.

0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:24.600
<v Speaker 3>You know, that soft.

0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:31.080
<v Speaker 4>I was talking about it for fifteen twenty minutes. We

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:33.600
<v Speaker 4>were kind of peeking, moving around this cedar tree on them,

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:37.040
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, I just there's no way, there's

0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:40.520
<v Speaker 4>no way I can get inside of twenty do it

0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:43.640
<v Speaker 4>in the I'd have to do it slow, and there's

0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:46.160
<v Speaker 4>no way there's gonna be a wind current or whatever.

0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:47.920
<v Speaker 4>And I kind of was reading it and I was like,

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:52.840
<v Speaker 4>this dough has got she's just coming in there's no

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:58.360
<v Speaker 4>pressure today disrupting this. It's it's during the week, so

0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 4>that's good for pressure reason. And I was like, we

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 4>should back out of here and just bank on bank

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:07.920
<v Speaker 4>on him him driving her back in here tomorrow morning.

0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:10.240
<v Speaker 3>We were.

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:16.839
<v Speaker 4>Literally exiting backwards, very slowly, just a few yards, that's

0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:19.440
<v Speaker 4>all the further we made it, and one of the

0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:22.359
<v Speaker 4>wind currents from our location made it made it there

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 4>and we had the primary win. I mean, I'm not

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 4>going off the weather app I'm going we had the

0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:29.239
<v Speaker 4>primary win where we were at.

0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:33.719
<v Speaker 3>But you know, I he hot around too much.

0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:35.600
<v Speaker 4>My gut was telling me I need to back out

0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:39.440
<v Speaker 4>and and bank on them being there tomorrow. And I

0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:44.160
<v Speaker 4>I wanted to move in, and I burnt a little

0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:47.399
<v Speaker 4>too much time and it cost me. And I wasn't

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 4>quite expecting that at fifty yards for that to happen.

0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:54.719
<v Speaker 4>But I got sidetracked on that situation a little bit.

0:46:54.800 --> 0:47:01.319
<v Speaker 2>But so yeah, so at eighty yards, Yeah, if you

0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 2>didn't do the slide in there on your belly thing,

0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:06.960
<v Speaker 2>would you try to bring him to you at all?

0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Would you try to call any kind of way or

0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 2>flip up the decoy or anything, or just wait until

0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:14.719
<v Speaker 2>dark and hope he moves your way. What then, So.

0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:20.040
<v Speaker 4>With that decoy, one of the things we've done over

0:47:20.080 --> 0:47:24.279
<v Speaker 4>the years is if a buck's locked on a dough

0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:26.560
<v Speaker 4>and we've had a little time to observe them and

0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:29.080
<v Speaker 4>their satellite bucks, we'll get a pretty good idea on

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:33.240
<v Speaker 4>how close we'd have to get to break the comfort

0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:36.080
<v Speaker 4>zone to where he comes comes in, you know, and

0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:37.240
<v Speaker 4>every buck's different.

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 3>He might.

0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:42.000
<v Speaker 4>He might just stand there and stare at these satellite

0:47:42.080 --> 0:47:45.759
<v Speaker 4>bucks and not take more than a few steps away

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:46.080
<v Speaker 4>from him.

0:47:46.080 --> 0:47:47.880
<v Speaker 3>Still, he might come eighty yards.

0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:53.920
<v Speaker 4>So if we sense he's an aggressive buck, we probably

0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 4>in that particular case, would whip.

0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:58.040
<v Speaker 3>It out on an eighty Now, we got.

0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:01.080
<v Speaker 4>Some footage in the works, not so much on the

0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:06.520
<v Speaker 4>next film, but the one that follows, where Tanner he

0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:09.359
<v Speaker 4>moved in three hundred yards with the decoy in plain sight.

0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:11.440
<v Speaker 4>He did it very slow.

0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 3>And that buck, I don't think that buck came from

0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:17.240
<v Speaker 3>my understanding.

0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:19.319
<v Speaker 4>He was a big mature. I don't know. He looks

0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:24.319
<v Speaker 4>like he's fifty to sixty field dress big. He wasn't

0:48:24.360 --> 0:48:26.319
<v Speaker 4>budget from his dough, and a lot of times those big,

0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:29.920
<v Speaker 4>big old mature I got this, like you want to

0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:32.200
<v Speaker 4>come in here. Okay, I'm going to stare and look

0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:35.479
<v Speaker 4>at you, but I don't got reason to come eighty yards.

0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm not that threatened. So he moved in there in

0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:44.759
<v Speaker 4>plain sight, I think it was three hundred yards and

0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 4>all the way to I think twenty or somewhere around there,

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:51.719
<v Speaker 4>and it worked. He was a beat up buck. He

0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:55.440
<v Speaker 4>didn't have a big rack, but I mean he was.

0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 4>He was a brew. So yeah, we got some great

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:03.799
<v Speaker 4>decoy stuff coming, not so much on the next one,

0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:04.840
<v Speaker 4>but the one that follows.

0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:08.799
<v Speaker 2>So which of those things, though, would you end up

0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:10.680
<v Speaker 2>doing if you had to pick right now, gun to

0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:14.960
<v Speaker 2>your head. In that scenario, which fork in the road

0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:15.439
<v Speaker 2>you'd pick?

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:25.440
<v Speaker 4>I would probably do the decoy. But it gets funky

0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:30.080
<v Speaker 4>there because you mentioned shin high grass. Shinned knee high grass.

0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:34.360
<v Speaker 4>In my mind, that's enough grass to do the belly

0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:37.560
<v Speaker 4>crawl slide down. But there's not a lot of winds.

0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:41.520
<v Speaker 4>So me trying to move in with the decoy, all

0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:44.000
<v Speaker 4>that grass in the way of the decoy unless I

0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:47.080
<v Speaker 4>don't have you know, unless I have it lifted up,

0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:51.440
<v Speaker 4>which is gonna look goofy, or the legs come up.

0:49:51.480 --> 0:49:54.400
<v Speaker 4>All that noise from the grass hitting that decoy is

0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:57.120
<v Speaker 4>going to be a huge problem and gonna be kind

0:49:57.160 --> 0:50:02.560
<v Speaker 4>of cumbersome. So that that's a really tough tough call

0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:08.120
<v Speaker 4>on that particular one. But I'd say it's probably gonna

0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:11.160
<v Speaker 4>be better suited for the decoy. But doesn't mean that

0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:14.360
<v Speaker 4>I won't try the belly crawl in there just to see.

0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:18.200
<v Speaker 2>So okay, let's let's change it just a little bit. Yeah,

0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:20.520
<v Speaker 2>this this scenario has given us lots of stuff to

0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:22.360
<v Speaker 2>play with us. I'm just gonna keep on riffing on

0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:25.920
<v Speaker 2>this one. Let's imagine that we had a little bit

0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:28.759
<v Speaker 2>more cover, so instead of like shin hi grass, we

0:50:28.840 --> 0:50:33.160
<v Speaker 2>have like waist high grass and some clumpy bushes of

0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:36.960
<v Speaker 2>some kinds of shrubs and stuff. So actually, you're not

0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:39.920
<v Speaker 2>hung up at eighty. You've got the ability to sneak

0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:46.920
<v Speaker 2>within range, and you you do so, so you're slipping in,

0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:49.800
<v Speaker 2>you're slow rolling it in. You make it all the

0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:53.160
<v Speaker 2>way to within shooting range. But at shooting range. So

0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:55.480
<v Speaker 2>for you with the with your bow, let's say at

0:50:55.520 --> 0:51:01.600
<v Speaker 2>twenty yards, a little word does swirl yeah, up, bounces

0:51:01.640 --> 0:51:06.759
<v Speaker 2>off to thirty, pauses and looks at you. What do

0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:07.120
<v Speaker 2>you do?

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:09.719
<v Speaker 3>I take the shot if I got it.

0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:17.759
<v Speaker 4>If and a lot of times in my experience, if

0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:21.840
<v Speaker 4>they get you by smell like that, not always, but

0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:25.720
<v Speaker 4>a lot of times, they're going more than.

0:51:25.800 --> 0:51:29.880
<v Speaker 3>Thirty you know, they're not just they're out of there now.

0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:34.320
<v Speaker 4>If they get you by sight or sound, that's pretty

0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:37.640
<v Speaker 4>common because they don't they haven't confirmed what that site

0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:40.040
<v Speaker 4>for surely is or what that sound for surely is.

0:51:40.080 --> 0:51:44.000
<v Speaker 4>Smell totally different deal. Smell is the worst one because

0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:47.719
<v Speaker 4>it's one hundred percent confirmation they know exactly what that is.

0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:54.520
<v Speaker 3>Sound sound, They don't know site, they don't know.

0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:58.719
<v Speaker 4>I mean most of the time they don't know, like

0:51:59.280 --> 0:52:02.080
<v Speaker 4>without taking in just a little bit more time, and

0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:02.640
<v Speaker 4>that might.

0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Be a half a second, that might be a few seconds.

0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:09.279
<v Speaker 4>That might be the stare off for five minutes if

0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:13.560
<v Speaker 4>they caught movement, but you're buying time. If they're getting

0:52:13.560 --> 0:52:19.560
<v Speaker 4>you by as by one of those senses. Smells the

0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:22.799
<v Speaker 4>worst because it is confirmation, and that's why it's so

0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:24.800
<v Speaker 4>dangerous and you don't know when it's coming.

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:28.560
<v Speaker 3>The second you make too much noise, you know, it

0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:29.840
<v Speaker 3>can get wild.

0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:33.400
<v Speaker 4>You know, the second you maybe get a little bit

0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:35.600
<v Speaker 4>off balance and create a little extra movement.

0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:39.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, it could get wild the smell.

0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:43.360
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes you catch the you know, catch it on the

0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:45.720
<v Speaker 4>back of your neck or something, and you're like, oh shoot.

0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:50.239
<v Speaker 4>But sometimes you don't, and you don't know when it's

0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:52.200
<v Speaker 4>going to hit their nose, and so you're behind the

0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:56.320
<v Speaker 4>eight ball a lot on smelled because you don't always

0:52:56.320 --> 0:52:59.400
<v Speaker 4>know when they're going to get it, and when they

0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:13.680
<v Speaker 4>get it, it's pretty serious deal to them.

0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So you make a great point. So let's let

0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:18.239
<v Speaker 2>me adjust it just a little bit. Let's say you

0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:23.759
<v Speaker 2>step on a branch, it cracks, the buck jumps, We'll

0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:27.520
<v Speaker 2>say runs a what's the range for you, Jared? Where

0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:29.840
<v Speaker 2>you're like, Eh, I don't know if I want to

0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:31.480
<v Speaker 2>take that shot or not. What's that What would that

0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:33.239
<v Speaker 2>range be for you? Where you're like right on the

0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:35.879
<v Speaker 2>edge of man, I could I could probably pull it off,

0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:37.120
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know if I really want to. What

0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:38.560
<v Speaker 2>would that be for you right now?

0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:39.080
<v Speaker 3>Probably?

0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:42.479
<v Speaker 4>Probably probably twenty. But I've only shot all year long.

0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:45.000
<v Speaker 4>I don't shoot range until closer to hunting season. Other

0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:50.319
<v Speaker 4>than this summer, I've shot in range four times, and

0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:53.399
<v Speaker 4>so I'd feel good to twenty right now.

0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:58.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean, in the season though i'd well by season.

0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:02.000
<v Speaker 4>You know, if I shot two three sessions and practiced

0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:04.560
<v Speaker 4>to thirty, i'd feel good to thirty, right, you know,

0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:05.880
<v Speaker 4>in two to three sessions.

0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:10.719
<v Speaker 3>It factors in pretty quick with where I'm going with it.

0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:13.080
<v Speaker 4>Though, if I'm inside of fifteen and I cracked that stick,

0:54:13.080 --> 0:54:16.080
<v Speaker 4>I'm probably gonna shoot him right there right now. I've

0:54:16.120 --> 0:54:19.880
<v Speaker 4>gotten fast enough that if that happens, it's gonna be

0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:20.759
<v Speaker 4>an explosion.

0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:23.480
<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be really wild, really quick.

0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:29.840
<v Speaker 4>So, and we do have one one documented that it

0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:31.080
<v Speaker 4>worked good doing that.

0:54:31.480 --> 0:54:35.040
<v Speaker 2>So but what about this situation where what if it's

0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:37.240
<v Speaker 2>just a little bit outside of like what you feel

0:54:37.239 --> 0:54:39.960
<v Speaker 2>really good at. So let's say thirty five, he stepped

0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:43.920
<v Speaker 2>on the twig, he bounds off to thirty five, he stops,

0:54:44.120 --> 0:54:47.200
<v Speaker 2>he's head bobbing. He's given you time. But in your

0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:49.600
<v Speaker 2>mind you're thinking, man, maybe I can make the shot.

0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:52.719
<v Speaker 2>But if I do, he's gonna is he gonna duck?

0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Is he gonna spin? He's all amped up. But if

0:54:56.520 --> 0:54:58.879
<v Speaker 2>I just freeze and do nothing, I'm going to miss

0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:02.759
<v Speaker 2>this opportunity. Then maybe you're thinking, but maybe if I

0:55:02.800 --> 0:55:05.479
<v Speaker 2>hold still long enough, maybe he'll get curious and get

0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:07.840
<v Speaker 2>a little bit closer like they sometimes do, and they

0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:11.279
<v Speaker 2>don't really know what's going on. There's a whole bunch

0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:14.600
<v Speaker 2>of different ways this could go. In that scenario when

0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:18.840
<v Speaker 2>it's not a perfect easy shot, it's not the worst bump. Ever,

0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:19.920
<v Speaker 2>what about then.

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:30.120
<v Speaker 4>I probably I would say what would probably happen now

0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:35.520
<v Speaker 4>is I would probably have already hit about full draw

0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:37.920
<v Speaker 4>by the time he was coming to a stop, and

0:55:37.960 --> 0:55:41.319
<v Speaker 4>that arrow's headed that direction about the instant he's coming

0:55:41.320 --> 0:55:41.840
<v Speaker 4>to a stop.

0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:43.640
<v Speaker 3>Not necessarily saying it would play.

0:55:43.440 --> 0:55:47.959
<v Speaker 4>Out like that, but that's probably what my instincts would

0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:50.880
<v Speaker 4>kick in and just do and it would all be like, whoa,

0:55:51.040 --> 0:56:00.840
<v Speaker 4>that just happened kind of. That's probably probably probably the

0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:07.719
<v Speaker 4>scenario on that one. So that's one of the advantages.

0:56:08.200 --> 0:56:13.279
<v Speaker 4>You know, there's pros and cons to traditional bows and compounds.

0:56:15.840 --> 0:56:21.680
<v Speaker 4>You know, you can with a traditional bow, you can

0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:27.120
<v Speaker 4>execute a very quick shot, and you can you have

0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:32.120
<v Speaker 4>the ability to become very versatile in that with that

0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:36.120
<v Speaker 4>weapon as well. It's a give and take though there's

0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:39.000
<v Speaker 4>a lot of situations where the compound has a significant

0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:43.480
<v Speaker 4>advantage in accuracy, range, drawback. You got to let off,

0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:47.440
<v Speaker 4>you can hold it, you know, I mean it's it's

0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:50.400
<v Speaker 4>if I'm inside of twenty, I'd much rather have a

0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:52.880
<v Speaker 4>long ago. I'm at an advantage now now at this point.

0:56:54.480 --> 0:56:57.640
<v Speaker 4>So I mean different weapons and different shooting styles, they

0:56:57.680 --> 0:56:59.799
<v Speaker 4>all have their strengths and weaknesses.

0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so all right, I want I want to do

0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:07.040
<v Speaker 2>one last one in this scenario, one last possible difference.

0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:10.160
<v Speaker 2>So instead of you stepping on a twig and spooking him,

0:57:10.480 --> 0:57:14.400
<v Speaker 2>you get all the way to twenty and he stays betted.

0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:18.280
<v Speaker 2>We're down at this point, though it's taken more time. Now,

0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:22.640
<v Speaker 2>we're down to the last fifteen minutes a day light

0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:25.560
<v Speaker 2>and they're still betted. For whatever reason, they have not

0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:27.880
<v Speaker 2>gotten back up to move around for the evening. They're

0:57:27.920 --> 0:57:32.320
<v Speaker 2>betted down and you can see his vitals, but it's

0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:35.080
<v Speaker 2>not perfectly clear, like there's still some grass kind of

0:57:35.120 --> 0:57:38.840
<v Speaker 2>around it. Do you take the betted shot or do

0:57:38.880 --> 0:57:40.680
<v Speaker 2>you roll the dice and hope he stands up the

0:57:40.680 --> 0:57:42.640
<v Speaker 2>next ten to twelve minutes, or do you do something

0:57:42.680 --> 0:57:44.080
<v Speaker 2>to make him get up at this point?

0:57:44.720 --> 0:57:47.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, what I would what I would do there with

0:57:47.600 --> 0:57:52.720
<v Speaker 4>where I'm at now is keep in mind we're filming

0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:56.920
<v Speaker 4>all this, so I would ideally I would have whoever's

0:57:56.920 --> 0:57:59.240
<v Speaker 4>filming me be in a position where they can not

0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:02.000
<v Speaker 4>move and film everything that's about to happen.

0:58:03.360 --> 0:58:06.480
<v Speaker 3>And then I would try to get to fifteen.

0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:11.680
<v Speaker 4>Very as fast as I can, but it's slow enough

0:58:11.680 --> 0:58:15.800
<v Speaker 4>not to get detected. And then at that point I

0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:21.520
<v Speaker 4>would saddle up. And this is going to sound radical,

0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:27.480
<v Speaker 4>but I would move as quickly as I can, but

0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:31.680
<v Speaker 4>still trying to not get detected, if that kind of

0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:32.240
<v Speaker 4>makes sense.

0:58:32.680 --> 0:58:34.320
<v Speaker 2>So when you say you're trying to move as quickly

0:58:34.320 --> 0:58:36.880
<v Speaker 2>as you can, you were at twenty, and so you're

0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:39.760
<v Speaker 2>gonna just like I want to get to fifteen, you're

0:58:39.760 --> 0:58:40.680
<v Speaker 2>gonna walk fifth.

0:58:41.720 --> 0:58:44.439
<v Speaker 4>I want to get to fifteen without being detected. Once

0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:50.960
<v Speaker 4>I get to fifteen, now I'm gonna be ready to shoot,

0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:57.200
<v Speaker 4>and I'm gonna, you know, if it's tall enough grass,

0:58:57.240 --> 0:58:59.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm still going to be staying fairly low, but I'm

0:58:59.600 --> 0:59:02.640
<v Speaker 4>not cross anymore. I'm ready to shoot. And the second

0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:04.200
<v Speaker 4>he gets me now, I want him to get me

0:59:04.240 --> 0:59:06.520
<v Speaker 4>by sights or or or hearing. I don't want him

0:59:06.560 --> 0:59:08.240
<v Speaker 4>to get me by smell. That's why I got to

0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:11.120
<v Speaker 4>move quick, because now I've hit fifteen, and you want

0:59:11.200 --> 0:59:16.200
<v Speaker 4>him standing up or in motion of standing up, it's

0:59:16.240 --> 0:59:24.240
<v Speaker 4>it's uh and and then in one one fast motion

0:59:25.200 --> 0:59:27.000
<v Speaker 4>it uh.

0:59:27.760 --> 0:59:28.760
<v Speaker 2>It's like throwing a football.

0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:32.320
<v Speaker 4>Huh yeah, yeah yeah. And I've I've.

0:59:34.080 --> 0:59:35.520
<v Speaker 3>Worked on archery a lot to be.

0:59:35.520 --> 0:59:39.880
<v Speaker 4>Able to to to be confident enough to do that

0:59:40.040 --> 0:59:42.920
<v Speaker 4>not you know, I've ran the clock speeds and and

0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:45.480
<v Speaker 4>all of that, you know, on how fast white tails

0:59:45.520 --> 0:59:48.960
<v Speaker 4>react and that, and and that gave me the confidence

0:59:49.040 --> 0:59:51.520
<v Speaker 4>to implement that that one and it worked really well.

0:59:51.840 --> 0:59:56.160
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I'm giving a lot away there. But that's

0:59:57.000 --> 0:59:59.360
<v Speaker 4>there's a great danger, like I said earlier, of getting

0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:01.439
<v Speaker 4>inside of twenty and then hanging out there for an hour,

1:00:01.720 --> 1:00:03.680
<v Speaker 4>especially when you don't have much wins. I mean, even

1:00:03.720 --> 1:00:06.840
<v Speaker 4>if you got fifteen mile an hour, pretty good wins.

1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:09.240
<v Speaker 4>One kick of that wind, when you get that tight,

1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:10.640
<v Speaker 4>you don't have much mark.

1:00:10.720 --> 1:00:11.520
<v Speaker 3>When you're hanging out.

1:00:11.360 --> 1:00:14.360
<v Speaker 4>At forty to fifty, you know, you get a kick

1:00:14.360 --> 1:00:17.000
<v Speaker 4>of the wind. You got a quite a bit of

1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:19.040
<v Speaker 4>distance to get that straight for that wind to get

1:00:19.080 --> 1:00:20.919
<v Speaker 4>straight and back up. But when you get that tight

1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:25.360
<v Speaker 4>on them, you don't have much cushion, so you don't

1:00:25.400 --> 1:00:33.760
<v Speaker 4>have much time. And so time is is that's it's

1:00:33.760 --> 1:00:36.120
<v Speaker 4>a head scratch of what I just explained there.

1:00:36.800 --> 1:00:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's it's impressive though too that you can pull

1:00:39.240 --> 1:00:42.160
<v Speaker 2>it off. Not an easy thing to do.

1:00:42.520 --> 1:00:44.560
<v Speaker 3>No, No, it's it's it's not.

1:00:45.640 --> 1:00:49.680
<v Speaker 4>And I've I've learned a lot in a lot of

1:00:49.720 --> 1:00:59.080
<v Speaker 4>ancient archery stuff that that makes it seem impossible or

1:00:59.320 --> 1:01:04.960
<v Speaker 4>we how do I explain this to us? That sounds crazy,

1:01:05.000 --> 1:01:08.240
<v Speaker 4>But to actually do it, you know, trained off a

1:01:08.240 --> 1:01:11.680
<v Speaker 4>lot of this stuff, it's once I get to fifteen,

1:01:11.760 --> 1:01:17.000
<v Speaker 4>I feel like it's it's not hard now, but.

1:01:19.840 --> 1:01:23.120
<v Speaker 3>It's required a lot of a lot of.

1:01:24.120 --> 1:01:31.160
<v Speaker 2>What is the what is the most important skill set

1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:35.520
<v Speaker 2>or the very most important variable to really focus on

1:01:36.080 --> 1:01:38.600
<v Speaker 2>when trying to close in you know, to fifteen yards,

1:01:38.640 --> 1:01:40.880
<v Speaker 2>that last fifth let's say, from thirty yards to fifteen

1:01:40.920 --> 1:01:42.800
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of guys maybe could maybe could

1:01:42.840 --> 1:01:46.080
<v Speaker 2>get to thirty yards on a deer and they would

1:01:46.080 --> 1:01:48.440
<v Speaker 2>feel like, man, I'm in his wheelhouse and taking that shop.

1:01:48.720 --> 1:01:51.520
<v Speaker 2>But that last fifteen yards or the last five from

1:01:51.520 --> 1:01:55.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty to five, like from twenty to fifteen like super

1:01:55.240 --> 1:02:00.360
<v Speaker 2>super tight. What's like the ninja next level thing that

1:02:00.440 --> 1:02:03.080
<v Speaker 2>someone can do to be able to close that extra

1:02:03.120 --> 1:02:05.200
<v Speaker 2>distance if they're trying to do something like this, or

1:02:05.240 --> 1:02:07.600
<v Speaker 2>if they're just you know, trying to get better at

1:02:07.600 --> 1:02:10.560
<v Speaker 2>getting from forty to twenty whatever it is, what is

1:02:11.040 --> 1:02:13.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, what have you picked up that's allowed you

1:02:13.360 --> 1:02:16.080
<v Speaker 2>to get really good at closing those last few yards

1:02:16.120 --> 1:02:16.840
<v Speaker 2>the final ten.

1:02:20.480 --> 1:02:23.160
<v Speaker 4>Gosh, every situation so different. The last two I shot,

1:02:23.200 --> 1:02:25.280
<v Speaker 4>I shot on my feet standing up.

1:02:27.200 --> 1:02:27.400
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1:02:27.480 --> 1:02:29.120
<v Speaker 4>I was kind of half cocked on the one I

1:02:29.200 --> 1:02:31.840
<v Speaker 4>just explained. The other one I was fully standing up.

1:02:33.880 --> 1:02:36.240
<v Speaker 4>And both of those one was at four yards, one

1:02:36.320 --> 1:02:38.560
<v Speaker 4>was at four and a half yards, So.

1:02:40.560 --> 1:02:41.960
<v Speaker 3>I had just tall.

1:02:41.840 --> 1:02:46.360
<v Speaker 4>Enough grass to pull off the one that I just explained,

1:02:46.840 --> 1:02:49.800
<v Speaker 4>And I had the guy that was filming Ethan at

1:02:49.840 --> 1:02:52.280
<v Speaker 4>fifteen with the camera and we had they were buried

1:02:52.280 --> 1:02:57.720
<v Speaker 4>in the grass enough, and I knew from experience we

1:02:57.840 --> 1:03:01.160
<v Speaker 4>had probably less in thirty seconds, and he was going

1:03:01.240 --> 1:03:03.320
<v Speaker 4>to have us by wind, and that was going to

1:03:03.360 --> 1:03:06.600
<v Speaker 4>be very difficult because I don't know when that's exactly

1:03:06.600 --> 1:03:10.680
<v Speaker 4>gonna happen. So that's why I made the decision I

1:03:10.680 --> 1:03:12.960
<v Speaker 4>did in that moment, and I felt kind of actually

1:03:13.160 --> 1:03:18.480
<v Speaker 4>I had already premeditated for the right situation, like this

1:03:18.680 --> 1:03:20.240
<v Speaker 4>is this is where I'm going to go with it.

1:03:20.920 --> 1:03:23.360
<v Speaker 4>And trained quite a bit in archery to do it.

1:03:24.360 --> 1:03:29.400
<v Speaker 4>But when I was in that stock, I felt a

1:03:29.400 --> 1:03:33.040
<v Speaker 4>little bit it behind because I didn't actually think about

1:03:33.080 --> 1:03:34.920
<v Speaker 4>doing that. And then all of a sudden it hit me.

1:03:35.000 --> 1:03:36.720
<v Speaker 4>I was like, what am I doing? This is what

1:03:36.800 --> 1:03:40.480
<v Speaker 4>I've trained, and I just I said, get ready, it's

1:03:40.480 --> 1:03:43.760
<v Speaker 4>happening right now, and it all came together and I

1:03:43.800 --> 1:03:45.600
<v Speaker 4>never had to. You know, now, in the old days,

1:03:45.640 --> 1:03:47.200
<v Speaker 4>I maybe would have been on my hands and knees

1:03:47.200 --> 1:03:49.200
<v Speaker 4>a little bit longer crawling in well, you make more

1:03:49.240 --> 1:03:55.439
<v Speaker 4>noise doing that, you stay more concealed. But I wasn't

1:03:55.440 --> 1:04:00.640
<v Speaker 4>worried too much about concealment anymore, so I could so

1:04:00.680 --> 1:04:05.880
<v Speaker 4>that that's because I'm I got fast enough.

1:04:05.720 --> 1:04:09.840
<v Speaker 3>Shooting the bow that the concealment isn't just needed anymore.

1:04:10.360 --> 1:04:12.720
<v Speaker 4>So now I can That allows me to keep my

1:04:12.800 --> 1:04:16.480
<v Speaker 4>feet on the ground not worry so much about Once

1:04:16.520 --> 1:04:18.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm that tight, I don't have to worry so much

1:04:18.320 --> 1:04:21.160
<v Speaker 4>about them seeing me because that I'm gonna have a

1:04:21.160 --> 1:04:23.400
<v Speaker 4>half a second because they're gonna what is that? And

1:04:26.160 --> 1:04:29.920
<v Speaker 4>so the shot can happen fast enough that now I

1:04:29.960 --> 1:04:31.600
<v Speaker 4>can be quieter because I don't have to be a

1:04:31.920 --> 1:04:34.439
<v Speaker 4>worry about concealment as much once I get that tight,

1:04:34.520 --> 1:04:36.320
<v Speaker 4>if that kind of makes sense. So that allowed me

1:04:36.360 --> 1:04:39.320
<v Speaker 4>to actually, in that particular case, get get closer. Now,

1:04:39.840 --> 1:04:42.120
<v Speaker 4>if they weren't buried in the tall enough grass, they

1:04:42.160 --> 1:04:44.120
<v Speaker 4>would have me by visuals. I'd be on my hands

1:04:44.160 --> 1:04:50.160
<v Speaker 4>and knees. So it's everyone's a different chess match, you know.

1:04:50.360 --> 1:04:56.200
<v Speaker 4>Every every situation is a different a different deal, you know.

1:04:57.680 --> 1:05:00.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, So let me put you on a different chess. Now.

1:05:01.360 --> 1:05:05.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to take you out of this awesome scenario

1:05:05.600 --> 1:05:06.800
<v Speaker 2>where you can see stuff.

1:05:07.120 --> 1:05:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, taking out that scenario.

1:05:09.160 --> 1:05:11.080
<v Speaker 4>By the way, I was just getting ready to get

1:05:11.160 --> 1:05:14.240
<v Speaker 4>dumped off to do a two mile timber stock, and

1:05:14.280 --> 1:05:17.280
<v Speaker 4>this buck he pushed a dough right out into the

1:05:17.320 --> 1:05:21.000
<v Speaker 4>crp on the edge of that timber out of nowhere.

1:05:21.000 --> 1:05:22.840
<v Speaker 4>They were going to drop me off. We're four hundred

1:05:22.880 --> 1:05:24.920
<v Speaker 4>yards fromhere. I was getting dropped off. I wanted to

1:05:25.000 --> 1:05:28.040
<v Speaker 4>do a timber stock all day, and you know, so

1:05:28.080 --> 1:05:31.360
<v Speaker 4>it was a beautifu one hundred and fifty inch public Land.

1:05:31.200 --> 1:05:34.440
<v Speaker 5>Bok and I was like, I wanted to do with timbersuck,

1:05:34.600 --> 1:05:37.520
<v Speaker 5>I gotta do it, you know, I can't not well,

1:05:37.520 --> 1:05:39.400
<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna let you do a timber stock now though,

1:05:39.520 --> 1:05:41.720
<v Speaker 5>because the next scenario I wanted to walk you through,

1:05:41.800 --> 1:05:44.560
<v Speaker 5>or have you walked me through, is a timber situation.

1:05:45.440 --> 1:05:50.040
<v Speaker 2>Let's say that this coming season, you can't leave Wisconsin.

1:05:50.520 --> 1:05:53.680
<v Speaker 2>You have to hunt Wisconsin, you have to hunt public,

1:05:54.240 --> 1:05:58.640
<v Speaker 2>and it has to be timber, okay, and you're gonna

1:05:59.360 --> 1:06:01.880
<v Speaker 2>We're on a particular day here, a week here, and

1:06:02.200 --> 1:06:06.080
<v Speaker 2>we've got kind of ten twelve mile in hour winds,

1:06:06.120 --> 1:06:09.400
<v Speaker 2>so there's a little bit of wind, otherwise dry, and

1:06:09.600 --> 1:06:14.480
<v Speaker 2>it is November one. Walk me through how you would

1:06:14.560 --> 1:06:18.360
<v Speaker 2>kill a deer, a decent buck on that kind of

1:06:18.440 --> 1:06:20.120
<v Speaker 2>day in Wisconsin.

1:06:20.880 --> 1:06:25.720
<v Speaker 4>What I'm going to probably do there's a different scenario

1:06:25.760 --> 1:06:30.400
<v Speaker 4>than what we started out with earlier. Talking by this point,

1:06:31.080 --> 1:06:35.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to probably already have some different pieces, and

1:06:35.920 --> 1:06:37.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm probably not going to spend much time in the

1:06:37.680 --> 1:06:42.680
<v Speaker 4>vehicle starting out, you know, in that particular setting of

1:06:43.040 --> 1:06:45.080
<v Speaker 4>a lot of woods, and you know, unless it's like

1:06:45.160 --> 1:06:47.360
<v Speaker 4>day one and I'm in a whole new region, you know,

1:06:47.640 --> 1:06:51.840
<v Speaker 4>then i might do that whole driving around and whatnot.

1:06:52.680 --> 1:06:56.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm probably going to focus. I would probably shift from

1:06:57.000 --> 1:07:00.280
<v Speaker 4>what we did what was working for us quite a

1:07:00.280 --> 1:07:03.360
<v Speaker 4>while back, which was a lot of the MFL grounds

1:07:03.360 --> 1:07:05.080
<v Speaker 4>and stuff like that that a lot of people didn't

1:07:05.120 --> 1:07:07.600
<v Speaker 4>know about and know there wasn't maps for and stuff,

1:07:07.640 --> 1:07:09.919
<v Speaker 4>and you know, a lot of those parcels were pretty small,

1:07:09.920 --> 1:07:11.480
<v Speaker 4>but they didn't get a lot of pressure. Now they've

1:07:11.480 --> 1:07:13.320
<v Speaker 4>gotten a lot of pressure, and it doesn't take much

1:07:13.360 --> 1:07:15.440
<v Speaker 4>pressure to blow out an eighty or one sixty. So

1:07:15.480 --> 1:07:16.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm probably going to go back to a lot of

1:07:16.960 --> 1:07:22.400
<v Speaker 4>the actual big public acreage stuff, you know, more along

1:07:22.440 --> 1:07:26.480
<v Speaker 4>those lines and put boots on the ground, and I'm

1:07:26.480 --> 1:07:30.080
<v Speaker 4>probably gonna cover ground in the timber. And if I

1:07:30.120 --> 1:07:32.600
<v Speaker 4>got ten to twelve dollar hour winds, well there's gonna

1:07:32.600 --> 1:07:36.560
<v Speaker 4>be enough leaf blowing and branch movement with that that

1:07:36.640 --> 1:07:39.120
<v Speaker 4>I can move at a faster rate in the timber.

1:07:39.960 --> 1:07:43.640
<v Speaker 4>And I'm going to cover ground through the timber and

1:07:43.760 --> 1:07:47.480
<v Speaker 4>try to get a visual on a big one or

1:07:47.520 --> 1:07:52.200
<v Speaker 4>a dough or a pocketed doze, and you know, things

1:07:52.280 --> 1:07:53.800
<v Speaker 4>kind of shift in there. You find out a little

1:07:53.840 --> 1:07:58.280
<v Speaker 4>pocketed dose. It's November first, you know, I come across that.

1:07:58.560 --> 1:08:01.000
<v Speaker 4>I might try to get a little bit in the

1:08:01.080 --> 1:08:03.439
<v Speaker 4>right situation to catch a buck coming in and hang

1:08:03.480 --> 1:08:05.000
<v Speaker 4>out there for a couple hours and try to catch

1:08:05.040 --> 1:08:09.720
<v Speaker 4>a buck cruising in. So I'm still in the timber

1:08:09.800 --> 1:08:12.360
<v Speaker 4>like that. I'm still going for visual that you know

1:08:12.840 --> 1:08:14.480
<v Speaker 4>we did that I didn't. I only got to hunt

1:08:14.520 --> 1:08:18.960
<v Speaker 4>a few days this year. I filmed some, but but

1:08:20.439 --> 1:08:22.719
<v Speaker 4>I haven't done the timber that much in recent years.

1:08:22.760 --> 1:08:25.240
<v Speaker 4>So I'm like I got into the timber and and

1:08:25.280 --> 1:08:26.680
<v Speaker 4>we were fortunate on that one.

1:08:26.760 --> 1:08:27.519
<v Speaker 3>We're very lucky.

1:08:27.520 --> 1:08:31.160
<v Speaker 4>I just caught just the slightest glint of movement and

1:08:31.200 --> 1:08:34.680
<v Speaker 4>it was pretty thick stuff and we were only I

1:08:34.720 --> 1:08:37.840
<v Speaker 4>don't know, we probably left the vehicle twenty minutes before that,

1:08:37.840 --> 1:08:43.240
<v Speaker 4>that's it. And TC was filming me, and I was

1:08:43.600 --> 1:08:46.519
<v Speaker 4>sure I just caught something, just like a just like

1:08:46.560 --> 1:08:46.960
<v Speaker 4>a deer.

1:08:47.280 --> 1:08:49.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure I seen something. What is that?

1:08:49.280 --> 1:08:52.200
<v Speaker 4>Sarah? And we just put on the brakes. We hardly

1:08:52.240 --> 1:08:54.559
<v Speaker 4>had any wind, and it was pretty thick stuff. I

1:08:54.680 --> 1:08:58.360
<v Speaker 4>just had a pocket that I could see across a

1:08:58.400 --> 1:09:01.080
<v Speaker 4>little bit of an open There was trees and stuff,

1:09:01.160 --> 1:09:03.719
<v Speaker 4>but that's where I caught it, probably seventy yards out,

1:09:04.000 --> 1:09:08.479
<v Speaker 4>but it was pretty seatory type stuff around there, and

1:09:09.120 --> 1:09:11.760
<v Speaker 4>I thought it was a deer. I thought I saw

1:09:11.760 --> 1:09:15.439
<v Speaker 4>a tailwig and I think it was about five minutes.

1:09:15.600 --> 1:09:20.840
<v Speaker 4>We we just didn't move our location, and I kept

1:09:20.880 --> 1:09:23.960
<v Speaker 4>eyes on and kept glassing in there and I couldn't

1:09:24.400 --> 1:09:26.439
<v Speaker 4>and then all of a sudden, boom, there's one hundred

1:09:26.439 --> 1:09:30.160
<v Speaker 4>and sixty inch nine pointer with a with a dough

1:09:30.920 --> 1:09:33.080
<v Speaker 4>and I was reading it and I'm like, I think

1:09:33.080 --> 1:09:36.000
<v Speaker 4>she's just coming in, you know, And I was like,

1:09:37.000 --> 1:09:40.360
<v Speaker 4>and they looped in and there was one pocket there

1:09:40.400 --> 1:09:42.920
<v Speaker 4>where it was he stopped broadside at fifty and it

1:09:42.920 --> 1:09:49.080
<v Speaker 4>would have been beautiful for a compound. But so, I mean,

1:09:49.120 --> 1:09:51.680
<v Speaker 4>we were going in one hundred percent. And that's how

1:09:51.720 --> 1:09:53.800
<v Speaker 4>I would do it with timber too, is I'm going

1:09:53.800 --> 1:09:55.479
<v Speaker 4>in one hundred percent to try to get a visual

1:09:55.520 --> 1:09:57.679
<v Speaker 4>in the timber and then go from there.

1:09:57.840 --> 1:10:12.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, how fast are you moving when you're working

1:10:12.000 --> 1:10:13.960
<v Speaker 2>your way through, you know, with a little bit of wind,

1:10:14.080 --> 1:10:17.160
<v Speaker 2>so you've got some amount of sound cover. You know

1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:19.960
<v Speaker 2>when you say covering distance and covering ground, is that

1:10:20.080 --> 1:10:24.360
<v Speaker 2>like you're stopping and glassing every twenty yards or use

1:10:24.520 --> 1:10:25.799
<v Speaker 2>cruising or what.

1:10:25.720 --> 1:10:27.880
<v Speaker 4>A lot of times in the timber. A lot of

1:10:27.880 --> 1:10:30.240
<v Speaker 4>times in the timber, I'm going off my eyes for

1:10:30.600 --> 1:10:33.960
<v Speaker 4>picking them up. I don't That's how I pick most

1:10:34.000 --> 1:10:37.960
<v Speaker 4>of them up. Occasionally I do it with with binoculars,

1:10:38.000 --> 1:10:41.519
<v Speaker 4>but usually I'm picking something up by eyesight. I keep

1:10:41.560 --> 1:10:45.880
<v Speaker 4>my eyes going while I'm moving. We actually moved in

1:10:46.320 --> 1:10:51.920
<v Speaker 4>fairly aggressively into we started to slow roll it a

1:10:51.920 --> 1:10:54.519
<v Speaker 4>little bit when we got close to where I picked

1:10:54.600 --> 1:10:55.400
<v Speaker 4>up that visual.

1:10:58.240 --> 1:11:00.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how fast we were going. We weren't

1:11:00.160 --> 1:11:01.360
<v Speaker 3>stop in every.

1:11:04.040 --> 1:11:06.479
<v Speaker 4>I don't think we were really stopping hardly at all, really,

1:11:07.520 --> 1:11:12.080
<v Speaker 4>but we weren't moving at We were quietly moving at

1:11:12.120 --> 1:11:16.280
<v Speaker 4>a slow pace, steadily but quietly and fairly slowly. But

1:11:16.320 --> 1:11:20.720
<v Speaker 4>we weren't really doing too much stopping in that particular case. Now,

1:11:21.200 --> 1:11:24.280
<v Speaker 4>that was some fairly heavy brushy with a lot of

1:11:25.320 --> 1:11:28.640
<v Speaker 4>twisting and turning of branches, so it totally disrupts. You know,

1:11:28.680 --> 1:11:30.519
<v Speaker 4>if you're in the a lot of the wooded stuff,

1:11:30.560 --> 1:11:33.920
<v Speaker 4>like in Wisconsin, you got fairly not always, but you

1:11:34.000 --> 1:11:36.960
<v Speaker 4>got fairly vertical. Like let's say you're in the hills

1:11:36.960 --> 1:11:39.679
<v Speaker 4>of Wisconsin bluff country or whatever. A lot of times

1:11:39.680 --> 1:11:43.599
<v Speaker 4>that you don't get a lot of that brushy stuff.

1:11:43.840 --> 1:11:45.840
<v Speaker 4>Well I shouldn't say you don't. You can.

1:11:46.200 --> 1:11:47.960
<v Speaker 3>You get clear cuts and all kinds of stuff.

1:11:48.000 --> 1:11:51.320
<v Speaker 4>But where a lot of times in that timbour, you

1:11:51.360 --> 1:11:55.160
<v Speaker 4>can see one hundred and fifty two hundred yards. Sometimes, well,

1:11:55.200 --> 1:11:56.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to be moving at a pretty good clip

1:11:56.920 --> 1:12:01.280
<v Speaker 4>through there because I can see them long before they

1:12:01.280 --> 1:12:06.599
<v Speaker 4>can hear me, and a decent, pretty good chance of

1:12:06.680 --> 1:12:09.320
<v Speaker 4>if I'm playing the wind right on where I think

1:12:09.320 --> 1:12:13.600
<v Speaker 4>they maybe would be. I've got that somewhat to my advantage,

1:12:14.120 --> 1:12:16.200
<v Speaker 4>so I'm not as risk, so there's a better chance

1:12:16.240 --> 1:12:17.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to pick them up, then they're gonna pick

1:12:17.960 --> 1:12:21.719
<v Speaker 4>me up. Therefore I can move and cover ground quicker.

1:12:21.800 --> 1:12:24.320
<v Speaker 4>Now you get into that hairrier, thicker stuff. You got

1:12:24.320 --> 1:12:29.880
<v Speaker 4>to put on the brakes more. So, it's.

1:12:30.880 --> 1:12:31.240
<v Speaker 3>The game.

1:12:31.439 --> 1:12:36.880
<v Speaker 4>The ground game in the timber is very it's so

1:12:37.080 --> 1:12:43.639
<v Speaker 4>variable of you know, there's not one pace I move

1:12:43.680 --> 1:12:46.600
<v Speaker 4>at all the time. There's would you.

1:12:46.360 --> 1:12:49.519
<v Speaker 2>Would you give a shot even if you had no

1:12:49.680 --> 1:12:54.639
<v Speaker 2>wind and dry so it's like potato chip leaves and

1:12:54.680 --> 1:12:57.080
<v Speaker 2>no wind, would you still try something like that? If

1:12:57.120 --> 1:12:59.160
<v Speaker 2>that was like you know, a hunt this or I

1:12:59.160 --> 1:12:59.800
<v Speaker 2>don't hunt at all?

1:13:00.160 --> 1:13:03.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Yeah, And when it gets that quiet, you can

1:13:04.360 --> 1:13:09.680
<v Speaker 4>there's you have the element of hearing as well, so

1:13:09.800 --> 1:13:13.559
<v Speaker 4>you can slow down your pace really slow and hear them,

1:13:15.040 --> 1:13:16.720
<v Speaker 4>but if you're moving out of slow enough face and

1:13:16.760 --> 1:13:20.440
<v Speaker 4>we A perfect example of that would be in twenty

1:13:20.600 --> 1:13:23.000
<v Speaker 4>ten in the Regroup video. We went into a piece

1:13:23.040 --> 1:13:25.240
<v Speaker 4>of public in the dark that we had never laid

1:13:25.280 --> 1:13:29.519
<v Speaker 4>eyes on before, so we didn't even know what we

1:13:29.520 --> 1:13:33.639
<v Speaker 4>were getting into. And it was a pretty quiet day

1:13:34.160 --> 1:13:37.400
<v Speaker 4>and it was my first day of that hunt in

1:13:37.439 --> 1:13:40.599
<v Speaker 4>that area. We drove through the night to get there,

1:13:41.040 --> 1:13:44.120
<v Speaker 4>never seen this ground in daylight, and I almost got it.

1:13:44.120 --> 1:13:46.479
<v Speaker 4>It was a one hundred and sixty sixty five inch buck.

1:13:47.880 --> 1:13:53.760
<v Speaker 4>I should have had them, but I didn't. But it

1:13:53.800 --> 1:13:57.280
<v Speaker 4>was a pretty calm, calm day, I mean, Chrispy Frost

1:13:57.960 --> 1:14:03.240
<v Speaker 4>like no win. And then the hunt kind of went

1:14:03.280 --> 1:14:04.640
<v Speaker 4>on for a couple of days. I should have got

1:14:04.680 --> 1:14:05.320
<v Speaker 4>another big one.

1:14:05.320 --> 1:14:05.800
<v Speaker 3>The next day.

1:14:05.840 --> 1:14:08.120
<v Speaker 4>I was having a rough hunt. We left, went to

1:14:08.160 --> 1:14:11.519
<v Speaker 4>Kansas for three and a half days. That could have

1:14:11.600 --> 1:14:15.840
<v Speaker 4>went better too, and then we had something come up

1:14:16.600 --> 1:14:19.439
<v Speaker 4>and had to head back to Wisconsin and we decided

1:14:19.439 --> 1:14:22.559
<v Speaker 4>to hit for the morning. I or again where this

1:14:22.640 --> 1:14:27.599
<v Speaker 4>hunt took place, and again we didn't have I mean,

1:14:27.600 --> 1:14:30.120
<v Speaker 4>it was like no wind and we just we just

1:14:30.200 --> 1:14:34.000
<v Speaker 4>went in there using our ears a lot, moving real slow,

1:14:35.080 --> 1:14:37.519
<v Speaker 4>and I shot one hundred and forty some inch or

1:14:37.680 --> 1:14:42.519
<v Speaker 4>low forty eight pointer, and we we played, you know,

1:14:42.600 --> 1:14:44.400
<v Speaker 4>we could hear them up there, and we kind of

1:14:44.400 --> 1:14:49.960
<v Speaker 4>pushed it. We kind of pushed getting closer, and then

1:14:50.000 --> 1:14:52.240
<v Speaker 4>we put the brakes on and him and a couple

1:14:52.280 --> 1:14:54.479
<v Speaker 4>of small bucks ended up falling right into our lot

1:14:56.080 --> 1:14:58.280
<v Speaker 4>and it worked out perfect. I think he was twenty

1:14:58.320 --> 1:15:00.320
<v Speaker 4>twenty four. Actually that's the first buck we ever shot

1:15:00.439 --> 1:15:05.000
<v Speaker 4>facing with the head on shot, so it was an accident,

1:15:05.080 --> 1:15:10.320
<v Speaker 4>but it worked out. So you can do it on

1:15:10.400 --> 1:15:15.120
<v Speaker 4>the ground in those scenarios of what you just describe

1:15:15.200 --> 1:15:20.080
<v Speaker 4>those super still frosty, Well, you got your ears, and

1:15:20.120 --> 1:15:22.519
<v Speaker 4>that can be a huge advantage. You know, it's it's.

1:15:24.040 --> 1:15:25.040
<v Speaker 3>More suited to.

1:15:27.000 --> 1:15:29.360
<v Speaker 4>Not very well for you sneaking in on them, but

1:15:29.960 --> 1:15:36.439
<v Speaker 4>in terms of you hearing them coming. And you got

1:15:36.439 --> 1:15:39.800
<v Speaker 4>some advantages in that that way in department too. But

1:15:40.439 --> 1:15:46.840
<v Speaker 4>in those particular cases though, where it's real quiet like that, though,

1:15:46.880 --> 1:15:49.800
<v Speaker 4>you want to pick your pathway of how you're moving

1:15:49.840 --> 1:15:52.519
<v Speaker 4>through the timber in a way where they're probably going

1:15:52.600 --> 1:15:54.640
<v Speaker 4>to land up in your lap or land in your

1:15:54.720 --> 1:15:57.760
<v Speaker 4>lap on their own. Like if I'm going in and

1:15:57.800 --> 1:16:01.040
<v Speaker 4>I got wind of what you describe earlier ten twelve,

1:16:01.160 --> 1:16:04.200
<v Speaker 4>fifteen mile an hour in the timber, I'm not necessarily

1:16:04.200 --> 1:16:06.160
<v Speaker 4>gonna be on where I think they're gonna be walking,

1:16:06.120 --> 1:16:08.040
<v Speaker 4>and I might be a distance off trying to get

1:16:08.040 --> 1:16:11.559
<v Speaker 4>a visual and then planing more for a stock approach.

1:16:11.600 --> 1:16:14.639
<v Speaker 4>Whereas on those crispy mornings like that, you're not gonna

1:16:14.640 --> 1:16:17.160
<v Speaker 4>get away with much either. So it's gonna you're gonna

1:16:17.280 --> 1:16:18.960
<v Speaker 4>have the element to hear in them coming, but you're

1:16:18.960 --> 1:16:21.799
<v Speaker 4>gonna want to be closer to the court, the natural

1:16:21.840 --> 1:16:23.599
<v Speaker 4>cord or of how they maybe be moving.

1:16:24.080 --> 1:16:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Yep, So do you pleat do you pre plan out

1:16:27.240 --> 1:16:29.519
<v Speaker 2>a route like, Hey, I'm gonna follow this edge, or

1:16:29.560 --> 1:16:32.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna walk this pinch point, or I'm gonna cruise

1:16:32.280 --> 1:16:34.680
<v Speaker 2>along the downwind side of this dough betting area or

1:16:34.720 --> 1:16:36.679
<v Speaker 2>something like that. On a day like that.

1:16:37.040 --> 1:16:40.120
<v Speaker 4>And not so much from the area, I might glance

1:16:40.160 --> 1:16:42.240
<v Speaker 4>at it and kind of like roughly like I think

1:16:42.280 --> 1:16:43.840
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna move through it like this, But once I

1:16:43.880 --> 1:16:49.000
<v Speaker 4>get in there, I might totally change what my premeditated,

1:16:49.479 --> 1:16:52.000
<v Speaker 4>loose plan is.

1:16:52.360 --> 1:16:53.599
<v Speaker 3>So any of those.

1:16:55.000 --> 1:16:58.680
<v Speaker 4>Things that I gather from looking at an areil, I

1:16:58.760 --> 1:17:03.400
<v Speaker 4>try to put that into a loose planned, but it could.

1:17:03.960 --> 1:17:07.720
<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to stick to what because I don't

1:17:07.720 --> 1:17:10.519
<v Speaker 4>want to call an aeral not real. But it's not

1:17:10.600 --> 1:17:14.000
<v Speaker 4>as real as me being there in person and seeing

1:17:14.760 --> 1:17:18.400
<v Speaker 4>every aspect of what I'm dealing with, So I want

1:17:18.439 --> 1:17:21.080
<v Speaker 4>to I don't want to get too fixated.

1:17:20.520 --> 1:17:25.519
<v Speaker 3>On what's not real.

1:17:25.720 --> 1:17:27.720
<v Speaker 4>The aerial is real, but it doesn't give you as

1:17:27.800 --> 1:17:31.760
<v Speaker 4>much as being there on site in person. So I

1:17:31.800 --> 1:17:34.960
<v Speaker 4>want to keep that plan loose that I might be

1:17:35.000 --> 1:17:37.000
<v Speaker 4>with if that makes sense.

1:17:37.080 --> 1:17:40.200
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't make sense, Okay, I've got one last scenario

1:17:40.400 --> 1:17:42.000
<v Speaker 2>and then I want to run you through like a

1:17:42.040 --> 1:17:44.840
<v Speaker 2>set of rapid fire quick questions. Okay, so the final,

1:17:45.040 --> 1:17:49.280
<v Speaker 2>this last scenario. Let's imagine you've been on this hunt.

1:17:49.680 --> 1:17:54.680
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna we're gonna put you back in not necessarily Wisconsin,

1:17:54.720 --> 1:17:57.760
<v Speaker 2>but we'll go kind of middle country, somewhere mixed AG,

1:17:58.000 --> 1:18:01.240
<v Speaker 2>mixed whatever, and really the specifically the train don't matter.

1:18:01.280 --> 1:18:05.880
<v Speaker 2>This one. You spot a good buck. He is on

1:18:06.720 --> 1:18:10.320
<v Speaker 2>ground that you're not sure. Let me rephrase this. You

1:18:10.360 --> 1:18:15.120
<v Speaker 2>are on a buck. He moves into ground that on

1:18:15.160 --> 1:18:20.120
<v Speaker 2>your app shows public. So you say, ah, man, big

1:18:20.160 --> 1:18:23.599
<v Speaker 2>giant shure buck on on X or whatever tool you're using,

1:18:23.760 --> 1:18:26.479
<v Speaker 2>you see like, yep, he just crossed over into public.

1:18:26.800 --> 1:18:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Game on, you cruise down the road where there's a spot,

1:18:30.240 --> 1:18:31.880
<v Speaker 2>like there's a ditch along the road, but finally there's

1:18:31.880 --> 1:18:34.559
<v Speaker 2>a spot you can pull off, and when you get

1:18:34.600 --> 1:18:36.280
<v Speaker 2>to the spot, you can pull off onto the public

1:18:36.320 --> 1:18:39.439
<v Speaker 2>to park. There's a bunch of no trespassing signs private

1:18:39.439 --> 1:18:43.320
<v Speaker 2>property no trespassing signs there. So your map shows public

1:18:44.520 --> 1:18:47.599
<v Speaker 2>on the ground though there's no trespassing private property signs,

1:18:47.600 --> 1:18:50.120
<v Speaker 2>and your big buck is now cruising across this piece

1:18:50.160 --> 1:18:52.160
<v Speaker 2>of potentially public land.

1:18:52.560 --> 1:18:56.640
<v Speaker 4>What do you do, Well, you gotta confirm it. You know,

1:18:56.720 --> 1:18:59.960
<v Speaker 4>I went through some stuff in twenty sixteen. Two scenarios.

1:19:00.479 --> 1:19:02.280
<v Speaker 4>Never had an issue over the years, but I ran

1:19:02.320 --> 1:19:09.240
<v Speaker 4>into two scenarios and I started to get very confident,

1:19:10.240 --> 1:19:13.639
<v Speaker 4>and I should have double checked a little bit deeper.

1:19:13.640 --> 1:19:17.320
<v Speaker 4>And there's some more to it. But and that information

1:19:17.400 --> 1:19:19.719
<v Speaker 4>has gotten more and more concrete at the county level,

1:19:19.760 --> 1:19:22.120
<v Speaker 4>which then you know, whether it's on X or any

1:19:22.120 --> 1:19:24.519
<v Speaker 4>of the other map providers out there, then they get

1:19:24.560 --> 1:19:27.799
<v Speaker 4>more concrete information, but they're getting it from the county.

1:19:27.880 --> 1:19:30.440
<v Speaker 4>So the counties have gotten better.

1:19:31.720 --> 1:19:32.240
<v Speaker 3>About that.

1:19:32.520 --> 1:19:36.320
<v Speaker 4>So you got to In our latest video on Cuffed,

1:19:36.600 --> 1:19:40.599
<v Speaker 4>we had a scenario that Matt was their filming and

1:19:41.040 --> 1:19:45.799
<v Speaker 4>I had hunted this area before and it was broken

1:19:45.880 --> 1:19:51.360
<v Speaker 4>up piece of public, piece of public over here, and

1:19:51.400 --> 1:19:55.120
<v Speaker 4>this was always private in the past, and.

1:19:57.360 --> 1:19:58.360
<v Speaker 3>So I'm banking on that.

1:19:58.400 --> 1:20:00.000
<v Speaker 4>I haven't actually pulled up that side of the road

1:20:00.160 --> 1:20:01.960
<v Speaker 4>yet we got the visual, and I hadn't been up

1:20:02.000 --> 1:20:03.280
<v Speaker 4>the other side of the road yet.

1:20:03.840 --> 1:20:08.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, we come around and.

1:20:11.439 --> 1:20:14.320
<v Speaker 4>I had seen a sign from way out, like a

1:20:14.360 --> 1:20:16.920
<v Speaker 4>mile out, but I didn't even register. Yeah, I just

1:20:16.960 --> 1:20:20.360
<v Speaker 4>assumed it was a private because I had always been private. Well,

1:20:20.400 --> 1:20:23.920
<v Speaker 4>then there was a bunch of walk in hunting.

1:20:23.640 --> 1:20:26.360
<v Speaker 2>Signs I remember seeing this. Now, Yeah, there.

1:20:26.320 --> 1:20:28.439
<v Speaker 4>Was a bunch of walk in hunting signs in which

1:20:28.520 --> 1:20:31.840
<v Speaker 4>it had always been private. So it threw us for

1:20:31.920 --> 1:20:33.960
<v Speaker 4>a loop because now I'm like, well, this big buck

1:20:34.000 --> 1:20:39.000
<v Speaker 4>that was on private, then jumped on public, then got

1:20:39.040 --> 1:20:42.519
<v Speaker 4>on private. But then as the direction he was going,

1:20:42.560 --> 1:20:44.479
<v Speaker 4>there's another piece of public. So I was sure he

1:20:44.520 --> 1:20:45.840
<v Speaker 4>was going to end up on that other piece of

1:20:45.840 --> 1:20:49.479
<v Speaker 4>public and zip right through that private. Well, it turned

1:20:49.520 --> 1:20:52.800
<v Speaker 4>out the whole thing had changed over to public over there,

1:20:52.840 --> 1:20:55.720
<v Speaker 4>according to the signs. Well, then I pull up the

1:20:55.760 --> 1:20:59.120
<v Speaker 4>map app from the state. This isn't from on X,

1:20:59.439 --> 1:21:03.439
<v Speaker 4>this is direct leave from Kansas. It doesn't show it

1:21:03.439 --> 1:21:07.320
<v Speaker 4>as public, and neither does the book I had, the

1:21:07.360 --> 1:21:10.400
<v Speaker 4>printed book for that year doesn't show it as public.

1:21:10.760 --> 1:21:16.320
<v Speaker 4>So now it's like, well, I got signs, it's always

1:21:16.360 --> 1:21:17.439
<v Speaker 4>been private in the past.

1:21:18.280 --> 1:21:18.960
<v Speaker 3>What do you do?

1:21:19.160 --> 1:21:21.920
<v Speaker 4>I've got And in that particular case, there was two

1:21:21.960 --> 1:21:29.080
<v Speaker 4>big bucks. One that was on what now appears to

1:21:29.120 --> 1:21:32.200
<v Speaker 4>be public, but just off of what for surely is public.

1:21:33.400 --> 1:21:36.760
<v Speaker 3>The other one had disappeared on.

1:21:38.280 --> 1:21:41.639
<v Speaker 4>What is potentially public according to the signs, but had

1:21:41.640 --> 1:21:45.160
<v Speaker 4>always been private. So now I'm in like this dilemma

1:21:45.240 --> 1:21:48.640
<v Speaker 4>of like, well, we got to find out, but this

1:21:48.680 --> 1:21:50.720
<v Speaker 4>could be awesome, but it would have been nice to

1:21:50.760 --> 1:21:55.800
<v Speaker 4>know that earlier. And you know, we eventually did figure

1:21:55.800 --> 1:21:58.040
<v Speaker 4>it out and it had all changed over to walk it,

1:21:59.439 --> 1:21:59.760
<v Speaker 4>you know.

1:22:00.360 --> 1:22:03.680
<v Speaker 2>So what's the best way really quick? I just I

1:22:03.720 --> 1:22:05.400
<v Speaker 2>asked this because I think a lot of people are

1:22:05.439 --> 1:22:08.759
<v Speaker 2>finding themselves in these scenarios now right where we're hunting

1:22:08.760 --> 1:22:11.280
<v Speaker 2>new places and we live and die off of our phones.

1:22:11.600 --> 1:22:14.240
<v Speaker 2>What's been the best way you've found to quickly confirm

1:22:14.320 --> 1:22:16.120
<v Speaker 2>like yes or no on this being public or not?

1:22:16.640 --> 1:22:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Who do you call?

1:22:18.160 --> 1:22:20.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, in this particular case.

1:22:22.320 --> 1:22:24.600
<v Speaker 4>With the Kansas walk in, and I went through this

1:22:24.720 --> 1:22:30.720
<v Speaker 4>the season after twenty sixteen, I was in Kansas again

1:22:30.760 --> 1:22:33.240
<v Speaker 4>and I was filming a couple of old guys, older guys,

1:22:35.280 --> 1:22:38.559
<v Speaker 4>and we pieces marked as public. It's on the book,

1:22:38.600 --> 1:22:41.559
<v Speaker 4>it's on the app from the State walk in. We

1:22:41.680 --> 1:22:46.719
<v Speaker 4>go in there, it's opening day. See two big bucks,

1:22:47.800 --> 1:22:51.920
<v Speaker 4>part of the public. It continued on that way. There

1:22:52.000 --> 1:22:57.000
<v Speaker 4>was no fence line. As we come around this corner,

1:22:57.400 --> 1:23:00.439
<v Speaker 4>the public land signs you'd never guess it, showing it

1:23:01.080 --> 1:23:04.320
<v Speaker 4>by signage and by the app and by the mapp

1:23:04.920 --> 1:23:10.559
<v Speaker 4>from the state it's public. So we watched this big

1:23:10.600 --> 1:23:12.759
<v Speaker 4>buck and he looked like he was probably a booner.

1:23:12.960 --> 1:23:14.479
<v Speaker 4>And then there was one hundred and forty in sure

1:23:14.520 --> 1:23:17.920
<v Speaker 4>with him. They dipped into this.

1:23:17.160 --> 1:23:20.880
<v Speaker 3>This dry draw excuse.

1:23:20.439 --> 1:23:23.599
<v Speaker 4>Me, and we had dropped off one of the old

1:23:23.640 --> 1:23:25.640
<v Speaker 4>guys's son on the other end of the piece, and

1:23:25.680 --> 1:23:28.679
<v Speaker 4>he was kind of slow making his way through from

1:23:28.720 --> 1:23:31.639
<v Speaker 4>this direction, and we're going to meet up with him

1:23:31.680 --> 1:23:36.600
<v Speaker 4>and then maybe hit this part that continued, So we

1:23:36.640 --> 1:23:38.800
<v Speaker 4>went down. They eventually made their way. We went down

1:23:38.800 --> 1:23:42.680
<v Speaker 4>to meet him and as we're and we're all excited,

1:23:42.720 --> 1:23:44.800
<v Speaker 4>like we got two big Bucks. They're in a draw.

1:23:45.000 --> 1:23:48.280
<v Speaker 4>It's a thin draw. I think we can good chance

1:23:48.320 --> 1:23:51.840
<v Speaker 4>we can get both bucks. One of them's a tank.

1:23:53.200 --> 1:23:58.280
<v Speaker 4>And there was a big pond between us and the Bucks,

1:23:58.479 --> 1:24:01.360
<v Speaker 4>and so we needed to kind of go around it. Well,

1:24:01.400 --> 1:24:07.080
<v Speaker 4>as we went around it, I see this red sign

1:24:07.560 --> 1:24:11.800
<v Speaker 4>and I'm filming, and I'm like, I know what the

1:24:11.840 --> 1:24:16.720
<v Speaker 4>red sign usually means, no longer in walking, but I

1:24:16.800 --> 1:24:20.080
<v Speaker 4>wanted the reaction from the old guys to catch so

1:24:20.160 --> 1:24:22.880
<v Speaker 4>I didn't say anything. You know, they were gonna see

1:24:22.920 --> 1:24:27.000
<v Speaker 4>it in three seconds. So but I'm like, in my head,

1:24:27.000 --> 1:24:31.599
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, what is going on? If that pond hadn't

1:24:31.640 --> 1:24:35.080
<v Speaker 4>been there, we would have vlined right to those big

1:24:35.120 --> 1:24:41.080
<v Speaker 4>Bucks and shot them. And this had come up earlier

1:24:41.120 --> 1:24:43.320
<v Speaker 4>in the bostseason, probably an hour and a half away.

1:24:43.640 --> 1:24:45.920
<v Speaker 4>I was with Matt on that hunt. A piece that

1:24:45.960 --> 1:24:49.080
<v Speaker 4>had always been public was marked as public walking on

1:24:49.200 --> 1:24:52.800
<v Speaker 4>the map from the state and on their app. I

1:24:52.880 --> 1:24:57.040
<v Speaker 4>have their app on my phone. It come out a

1:24:57.120 --> 1:25:01.160
<v Speaker 4>week before right during the run, got pulled out a

1:25:01.200 --> 1:25:04.040
<v Speaker 4>walk in. They didn't pull the signs down on one road.

1:25:04.080 --> 1:25:06.160
<v Speaker 4>I sat there for three hours. It was a morning

1:25:06.160 --> 1:25:08.760
<v Speaker 4>that I decided I can see a long ways. I'm

1:25:08.760 --> 1:25:11.320
<v Speaker 4>gonna hang out here for three hours and just watch

1:25:11.360 --> 1:25:14.360
<v Speaker 4>from the vehicle and see if a buck pops up

1:25:14.400 --> 1:25:17.800
<v Speaker 4>out any of these draws, public signs, public on the map,

1:25:18.200 --> 1:25:22.400
<v Speaker 4>public in the book, all from the state. Eventually I

1:25:22.439 --> 1:25:24.200
<v Speaker 4>caught one that looked like it could be a shooter

1:25:24.280 --> 1:25:25.439
<v Speaker 4>way over by the other road.

1:25:25.520 --> 1:25:28.679
<v Speaker 3>We drive around the other road a red sign.

1:25:29.320 --> 1:25:33.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, what so in that particular case, I eventually

1:25:33.160 --> 1:25:36.360
<v Speaker 4>I first tracked down the game warden. He didn't know

1:25:36.439 --> 1:25:41.240
<v Speaker 4>much about it, which you know, it's not his department

1:25:41.479 --> 1:25:43.720
<v Speaker 4>to necessarily know, but he got me in contact. That

1:25:43.760 --> 1:25:46.240
<v Speaker 4>was a Saturday. I was actually quite impressed. But he

1:25:46.320 --> 1:25:48.040
<v Speaker 4>ended up getting me in contact with the head of

1:25:48.040 --> 1:25:51.800
<v Speaker 4>the walk in program at the state. And I wasn't

1:25:52.000 --> 1:25:55.000
<v Speaker 4>too thrilled because I started to put some things together

1:25:55.120 --> 1:25:57.880
<v Speaker 4>and there was three parcels of property, one of which

1:25:57.920 --> 1:26:00.479
<v Speaker 4>I was on two days before that. Now I pulled

1:26:00.560 --> 1:26:04.680
<v Speaker 4>up to and there's a red sign there, and two

1:26:04.760 --> 1:26:09.360
<v Speaker 4>days ago there wasn't. So I'm not in a real

1:26:09.360 --> 1:26:11.839
<v Speaker 4>good state coming out of what happened in twenty sixteen.

1:26:12.200 --> 1:26:16.880
<v Speaker 4>And all the information's coming from the state and he

1:26:17.000 --> 1:26:21.680
<v Speaker 4>clarified all three pieces. He said, Okay, the guys that

1:26:21.760 --> 1:26:24.360
<v Speaker 4>put the signs out on this one, that's actually not right.

1:26:25.320 --> 1:26:31.120
<v Speaker 4>That's actually still public. And I'm like okay, and he's like, yeah,

1:26:30.960 --> 1:26:33.799
<v Speaker 4>the other piece that came out here over the last week,

1:26:34.200 --> 1:26:36.000
<v Speaker 4>but they probably didn't get the signs up on the

1:26:36.040 --> 1:26:43.040
<v Speaker 4>other road. And I'm like, that's that's neat. So if

1:26:43.040 --> 1:26:45.360
<v Speaker 4>I'd walked in from that other road, technically i'd have

1:26:45.400 --> 1:26:48.840
<v Speaker 4>been according to your maps and the signs, I would

1:26:48.880 --> 1:26:50.439
<v Speaker 4>have been legal. But it's.

1:26:51.920 --> 1:26:53.960
<v Speaker 3>If it's pulled out, it's pulled out, you know.

1:26:54.479 --> 1:26:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But how can anyone expect folks to know that

1:26:57.200 --> 1:26:58.719
<v Speaker 2>in the situation like that, That's crazy.

1:26:58.760 --> 1:27:02.120
<v Speaker 4>Well, and I was very frustrated because back in Wisconsin,

1:27:02.160 --> 1:27:05.240
<v Speaker 4>when I used to hunt all them MFL grounds and

1:27:05.600 --> 1:27:08.960
<v Speaker 4>forest crop lands before they were ever mapped, I for

1:27:09.080 --> 1:27:12.639
<v Speaker 4>several counties went through and made my own Google maps

1:27:14.120 --> 1:27:16.600
<v Speaker 4>with the lines of the parcel, so I had it

1:27:16.680 --> 1:27:18.840
<v Speaker 4>right on my phone before the maps had come out.

1:27:18.920 --> 1:27:21.840
<v Speaker 4>For all these counties. I'd go in and plot the coordinates,

1:27:22.880 --> 1:27:25.360
<v Speaker 4>is what I'd do. So I had that access. So

1:27:25.400 --> 1:27:30.840
<v Speaker 4>when it comes to in this case, Kansas there, I

1:27:30.880 --> 1:27:35.559
<v Speaker 4>would have their Google Earth created maps of their walk

1:27:35.600 --> 1:27:38.920
<v Speaker 4>in on my phone, and I know how quick and

1:27:38.960 --> 1:27:41.680
<v Speaker 4>easy because once I got that those maps created on

1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:44.160
<v Speaker 4>my end for Wisconsin, it was really easy the next

1:27:44.240 --> 1:27:46.880
<v Speaker 4>year to just go through and confirm if any came

1:27:46.880 --> 1:27:49.360
<v Speaker 4>out at the end of the year, and then Uptown

1:27:49.479 --> 1:27:49.840
<v Speaker 4>came out.

1:27:51.120 --> 1:27:53.120
<v Speaker 3>It's an eyeball on that layer.

1:27:53.280 --> 1:27:55.720
<v Speaker 4>You turn it off, update your map, and boom that

1:27:55.760 --> 1:27:58.840
<v Speaker 4>parcel's no longer in right, And so I kind of

1:27:58.920 --> 1:28:01.559
<v Speaker 4>was like, well, I cannot stand the book being printed.

1:28:03.080 --> 1:28:04.559
<v Speaker 3>You know, I was like two things.

1:28:04.640 --> 1:28:07.360
<v Speaker 4>I think once it goes into walking, you got to

1:28:07.520 --> 1:28:10.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, guys are coming from non resident spending five

1:28:10.960 --> 1:28:13.920
<v Speaker 4>hundred dollars. They're expecting your book to be accurate. So

1:28:13.960 --> 1:28:17.559
<v Speaker 4>if you're pulling out Walkin's partially through the season at

1:28:17.800 --> 1:28:20.320
<v Speaker 4>any moment's glass and you've got a printed book here

1:28:20.360 --> 1:28:22.639
<v Speaker 4>that says it's public, it creates a lot of confusion.

1:28:23.760 --> 1:28:27.599
<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, so I think that maybe once it's

1:28:27.680 --> 1:28:29.599
<v Speaker 4>entered into walking, it can't come out till the first

1:28:29.600 --> 1:28:30.000
<v Speaker 4>of the year.

1:28:30.439 --> 1:28:32.280
<v Speaker 3>It would maybe be a good policy.

1:28:32.640 --> 1:28:36.160
<v Speaker 4>And then if we can't do that, maybe at least

1:28:36.240 --> 1:28:40.120
<v Speaker 4>update the maybe at least update the Google earth Maps,

1:28:40.160 --> 1:28:42.880
<v Speaker 4>because that's instant, you know. I mean that takes five

1:28:42.960 --> 1:28:45.880
<v Speaker 4>seconds to I shouldn't say five, but thirty seconds to

1:28:45.920 --> 1:28:48.599
<v Speaker 4>go in there and you save the new kl kml

1:28:48.720 --> 1:28:53.360
<v Speaker 4>or kmz file and boom. At least guys using not

1:28:53.920 --> 1:28:56.520
<v Speaker 4>now have accurate So I've ran into a few scenarios

1:28:57.200 --> 1:29:02.080
<v Speaker 4>of that. Now. I had those two and no trouble

1:29:02.479 --> 1:29:06.519
<v Speaker 4>came about of those. They were caught in time and

1:29:06.640 --> 1:29:08.840
<v Speaker 4>he confirmed the piece that I had been on two

1:29:08.920 --> 1:29:11.240
<v Speaker 4>days or three days before that is I was still

1:29:11.280 --> 1:29:16.880
<v Speaker 4>good then, but you know it, it could have been

1:29:16.920 --> 1:29:18.920
<v Speaker 4>really bad, especially in the case that them two older

1:29:18.920 --> 1:29:21.280
<v Speaker 4>guys with them two big bucks in that draw that

1:29:21.320 --> 1:29:24.040
<v Speaker 4>pond hadn't been there, we'd have went right in there

1:29:24.040 --> 1:29:26.320
<v Speaker 4>and probably I mean it was set up pretty well

1:29:26.400 --> 1:29:28.839
<v Speaker 4>to get to get one or two.

1:29:28.840 --> 1:29:31.360
<v Speaker 3>Out of there, and then it's like what you know,

1:29:31.760 --> 1:29:32.759
<v Speaker 3>So I mean.

1:29:34.280 --> 1:29:38.559
<v Speaker 4>That one with matt in in uncuffed, it was you know,

1:29:39.479 --> 1:29:43.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, they didn't change anything from from those situations

1:29:43.479 --> 1:29:47.280
<v Speaker 4>that happened years ago where I contacted them, Like they

1:29:47.280 --> 1:29:49.519
<v Speaker 4>can still pull them walk ins out at any point

1:29:49.520 --> 1:29:53.439
<v Speaker 4>in time. And and you can't trust their Google earth Maps,

1:29:54.120 --> 1:29:59.559
<v Speaker 4>and you can't trust their printed maps because they they

1:30:00.000 --> 1:30:03.080
<v Speaker 4>I don't have that, they don't have it implemented on

1:30:03.320 --> 1:30:06.200
<v Speaker 4>to like the first of the year. See, like in Wisconsin,

1:30:06.880 --> 1:30:09.639
<v Speaker 4>it wouldn't matter if it changed ownership or not. You're

1:30:09.680 --> 1:30:13.800
<v Speaker 4>in contract, and you know, with those programs, and so

1:30:13.920 --> 1:30:19.080
<v Speaker 4>they they didn't have an option to till the first

1:30:19.120 --> 1:30:23.680
<v Speaker 4>of the year. They couldn't be so even if a

1:30:23.680 --> 1:30:26.800
<v Speaker 4>new owner came in and bought that piece, if they

1:30:26.840 --> 1:30:28.479
<v Speaker 4>were part of that program, they had to wait till

1:30:28.479 --> 1:30:30.320
<v Speaker 4>the end of the year to pull it out of

1:30:30.320 --> 1:30:33.280
<v Speaker 4>that program. And so that kept it pretty clean on

1:30:33.320 --> 1:30:37.320
<v Speaker 4>that front. So it can get messy out you know.

1:30:37.400 --> 1:30:40.040
<v Speaker 4>I mean I've run into guys. I mean, even what

1:30:40.160 --> 1:30:44.559
<v Speaker 4>happened in twenty sixteen therein you know, in Minnesota, that

1:30:44.600 --> 1:30:47.519
<v Speaker 4>should have never happened. Yeah, I should have done somewhere digging,

1:30:47.600 --> 1:30:49.880
<v Speaker 4>but that should have never never happened. There should have

1:30:49.880 --> 1:30:53.559
<v Speaker 4>been signs put up that was marked wrong. And those

1:30:53.600 --> 1:30:55.960
<v Speaker 4>people knew that, and so did the game word and

1:30:56.400 --> 1:30:59.360
<v Speaker 4>that information got back to me. I had somebody that

1:30:59.439 --> 1:31:01.880
<v Speaker 4>detected that in my video and they come up to

1:31:01.920 --> 1:31:04.439
<v Speaker 4>me and they said I was bow hunting that, and

1:31:04.600 --> 1:31:06.600
<v Speaker 4>I thought the same thing. After a few times and

1:31:06.600 --> 1:31:10.000
<v Speaker 4>they're like, something's not right, and they identified exactly what

1:31:10.080 --> 1:31:12.320
<v Speaker 4>peace without me telling them and who the warden was,

1:31:12.400 --> 1:31:13.439
<v Speaker 4>and that.

1:31:13.360 --> 1:31:15.720
<v Speaker 3>Threw me for a loop because he told me.

1:31:15.800 --> 1:31:18.879
<v Speaker 4>He said, well, the warden told me that that's not public,

1:31:19.720 --> 1:31:22.800
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, well, the wharton told us he

1:31:22.800 --> 1:31:25.519
<v Speaker 4>didn't know anything about it, and that was after you

1:31:26.320 --> 1:31:33.040
<v Speaker 4>So what was going on there? You know? You know that, yeah,

1:31:33.080 --> 1:31:35.120
<v Speaker 4>there was I should have done some more thorough but

1:31:35.240 --> 1:31:39.760
<v Speaker 4>I mean that I looked at everything and that it

1:31:40.240 --> 1:31:43.880
<v Speaker 4>was there was some responsibility on other parties there on

1:31:43.920 --> 1:31:46.200
<v Speaker 4>that particular one too, that would have made.

1:31:46.080 --> 1:31:48.440
<v Speaker 3>It pretty.

1:31:50.600 --> 1:31:54.439
<v Speaker 4>There was multiple instances of other people hunting that ground

1:31:54.439 --> 1:31:55.800
<v Speaker 4>that thought it was public that year.

1:32:09.320 --> 1:32:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Man, Well, I think it's all. It's all a good

1:32:11.840 --> 1:32:15.360
<v Speaker 2>reminder to just double check, right, I mean, that's that's

1:32:15.400 --> 1:32:19.320
<v Speaker 2>the thing is, like, it's with all these regulations, I

1:32:19.320 --> 1:32:23.320
<v Speaker 2>find myself always trying to remind myself, like double check,

1:32:23.600 --> 1:32:26.479
<v Speaker 2>see if anything change, make sure this actually matches up,

1:32:26.560 --> 1:32:29.200
<v Speaker 2>make sure the map matches, the website matches, the whatever,

1:32:29.280 --> 1:32:32.560
<v Speaker 2>because there is unfortunately, there's a lot of things to

1:32:32.640 --> 1:32:36.320
<v Speaker 2>keep track of, and in the end, if someone wants

1:32:36.320 --> 1:32:38.200
<v Speaker 2>to give you a hard time, it's going to fall

1:32:38.240 --> 1:32:40.000
<v Speaker 2>on you. So that's a good.

1:32:41.760 --> 1:32:44.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's that's one thing. You know.

1:32:44.800 --> 1:32:48.479
<v Speaker 4>It's written in a way where it's your responsibility. So

1:32:48.640 --> 1:32:50.719
<v Speaker 4>even if the signs are up that show at public

1:32:50.760 --> 1:32:54.679
<v Speaker 4>even if you have the state maps, uh, it's still

1:32:54.680 --> 1:32:57.519
<v Speaker 4>your responsibility the way the law is written, which is

1:32:57.680 --> 1:33:00.560
<v Speaker 4>very frustrating if you end up in one of those situations,

1:33:00.760 --> 1:33:06.720
<v Speaker 4>you know. So we we had that situation. Nothing really

1:33:06.760 --> 1:33:08.600
<v Speaker 4>came about of it, but it would have been a

1:33:08.640 --> 1:33:12.000
<v Speaker 4>really bad deal on the ride and where the refuge

1:33:12.040 --> 1:33:14.719
<v Speaker 4>wasn't marked as refuge. It was marked as public hunting

1:33:14.840 --> 1:33:18.360
<v Speaker 4>from Iowa DNR map that we had, and they didn't

1:33:18.360 --> 1:33:19.800
<v Speaker 4>have signs up marking it.

1:33:19.960 --> 1:33:21.360
<v Speaker 3>We went in by boat.

1:33:21.680 --> 1:33:24.599
<v Speaker 4>We went in by boat, had never hunted there before,

1:33:24.640 --> 1:33:27.360
<v Speaker 4>but oh, all this public acres, We'll go in by boat.

1:33:28.760 --> 1:33:30.479
<v Speaker 3>Spot one hundred and forty five inch.

1:33:30.520 --> 1:33:32.680
<v Speaker 4>We were having a pretty tough hunt already, and that's

1:33:32.720 --> 1:33:34.400
<v Speaker 4>why we were cruising. We were an hour and a

1:33:34.439 --> 1:33:37.479
<v Speaker 4>half two hours from where we normally are, and there

1:33:37.760 --> 1:33:39.719
<v Speaker 4>was a couple of questions earlier that day on pieces

1:33:39.720 --> 1:33:43.240
<v Speaker 4>that we called in another county award to get clarity on,

1:33:43.720 --> 1:33:47.400
<v Speaker 4>and in that particular case, we're boom parked, spotted this

1:33:47.439 --> 1:33:50.040
<v Speaker 4>big buck parked the boat on the beach, and we're

1:33:50.760 --> 1:33:52.720
<v Speaker 4>going up the beach and we're getting pretty close to

1:33:52.760 --> 1:33:55.839
<v Speaker 4>where we're in kill zone, Like we're I think sixty

1:33:55.880 --> 1:33:58.320
<v Speaker 4>seventy yards out from this buck in the weeds. Turn

1:33:58.400 --> 1:33:59.920
<v Speaker 4>back and look, and there's a guy and a dog

1:34:00.520 --> 1:34:04.840
<v Speaker 4>over by our boat, and he's walking towards us, and

1:34:04.880 --> 1:34:08.000
<v Speaker 4>we kind of realize, we're like, we need to get

1:34:08.040 --> 1:34:10.240
<v Speaker 4>him stopped or we're gonna blow this stock. So chance

1:34:10.280 --> 1:34:13.599
<v Speaker 4>he goes, you know, sneaking back, and I go with

1:34:13.680 --> 1:34:16.880
<v Speaker 4>him to film this, you know, like, hey, we're on

1:34:16.960 --> 1:34:19.120
<v Speaker 4>a buck. Turns out it's a gaateboard and we're on

1:34:19.160 --> 1:34:22.800
<v Speaker 4>a refuge. If he would have stopped, if you would

1:34:22.800 --> 1:34:25.680
<v Speaker 4>have stayed at the boat and not killmar away, we

1:34:25.680 --> 1:34:28.280
<v Speaker 4>would have killed that buck right right in front of him,

1:34:28.800 --> 1:34:31.519
<v Speaker 4>right in front of him, and never knew. And when

1:34:31.520 --> 1:34:34.519
<v Speaker 4>I went down there, you know, of course, they make

1:34:34.600 --> 1:34:36.840
<v Speaker 4>up a lot of excuses of why it, you know,

1:34:36.880 --> 1:34:38.600
<v Speaker 4>and in my mind, I'm like, there's no excuse. A

1:34:38.640 --> 1:34:40.840
<v Speaker 4>refuge is not refuge if it's not if it's not

1:34:40.960 --> 1:34:43.360
<v Speaker 4>marked that way on a map and signs. I went

1:34:43.400 --> 1:34:45.880
<v Speaker 4>down there and did a range fine, because they say, well,

1:34:45.920 --> 1:34:49.360
<v Speaker 4>there's signs. The closest sign to the water's edge was

1:34:49.360 --> 1:34:51.639
<v Speaker 4>one hundred and fifty seven yards up in the timber.

1:34:52.960 --> 1:34:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's tough.

1:34:54.680 --> 1:34:57.559
<v Speaker 4>It's tough to have a refuge if you got marked

1:34:57.560 --> 1:35:01.880
<v Speaker 4>on the map otherwise, you know. So, oh, you know,

1:35:02.080 --> 1:35:06.240
<v Speaker 4>I mean, nothing serious came about of.

1:35:06.120 --> 1:35:09.920
<v Speaker 2>That, but I was like, yeah, stressful.

1:35:10.360 --> 1:35:12.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so you know, and I've heard stories of of

1:35:13.320 --> 1:35:17.200
<v Speaker 4>you know, and I think overall things are getting getting better,

1:35:17.240 --> 1:35:20.120
<v Speaker 4>you know. I a few years later, I h I

1:35:20.160 --> 1:35:22.840
<v Speaker 4>saw some changes on some some of the different apps

1:35:22.880 --> 1:35:25.559
<v Speaker 4>and things where it told me they're getting more accurate

1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:28.280
<v Speaker 4>information from the county level and that and that's to

1:35:28.320 --> 1:35:30.400
<v Speaker 4>be expected that things get more and more refined.

1:35:30.920 --> 1:35:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I got to believe that now there's more

1:35:32.680 --> 1:35:35.439
<v Speaker 2>and more people doing this kind of thing and looking

1:35:35.439 --> 1:35:38.400
<v Speaker 2>into these kinds of things. I think probably the various

1:35:38.400 --> 1:35:42.599
<v Speaker 2>government officials are finding these oversights and realizing, oh wow, yeah,

1:35:42.720 --> 1:35:44.560
<v Speaker 2>there are people actually wanting to come in here, and

1:35:44.960 --> 1:35:48.479
<v Speaker 2>we don't have it properly signed or labeled. So so

1:35:48.479 --> 1:35:52.479
<v Speaker 2>hopefully this stuff gets fixed. Hopefully, uh, hopefully things become

1:35:52.479 --> 1:35:55.040
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more clear, because it can get very

1:35:55.080 --> 1:35:56.080
<v Speaker 2>confusing out there.

1:35:56.400 --> 1:35:59.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it can't. And then every state's different, you know.

1:35:59.760 --> 1:36:01.839
<v Speaker 4>You know how it is in the West, where it's

1:36:03.320 --> 1:36:06.320
<v Speaker 4>you're you're come across, there's fence lines and stuff all

1:36:06.360 --> 1:36:08.479
<v Speaker 4>the time, and that doesn't mean that it's a property line.

1:36:08.560 --> 1:36:10.800
<v Speaker 4>A lot of times that public continues, whereas like in

1:36:10.840 --> 1:36:14.200
<v Speaker 4>the Midwest, you come across a fence line and almost

1:36:14.240 --> 1:36:17.479
<v Speaker 4>always that's a property line, and so it can get

1:36:17.720 --> 1:36:20.760
<v Speaker 4>it can get pretty you know. Well, you've got a

1:36:20.760 --> 1:36:22.840
<v Speaker 4>lot of experience by this point, and a lot of

1:36:22.880 --> 1:36:26.240
<v Speaker 4>these different states too, to have seen how things change

1:36:26.280 --> 1:36:27.560
<v Speaker 4>from state to state.

1:36:27.479 --> 1:36:31.519
<v Speaker 2>And yep, you just gotta gotta stay up on it,

1:36:31.560 --> 1:36:35.280
<v Speaker 2>do your best, right, all right, I'm gonna let you

1:36:35.320 --> 1:36:38.759
<v Speaker 2>go here, Jared, with final few rapid fire quick questions.

1:36:38.800 --> 1:36:41.799
<v Speaker 2>You're allowed just like a one word answer to the okay, okay,

1:36:42.640 --> 1:36:44.599
<v Speaker 2>just first thought right off the bat, here we go.

1:36:45.120 --> 1:36:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Does the moon matter to deer movement? Yes or no?

1:36:48.240 --> 1:36:48.519
<v Speaker 4>Yes?

1:36:49.120 --> 1:36:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Would you take a fifty yard shot at a white

1:36:51.160 --> 1:36:52.519
<v Speaker 2>tail with your bow? Yes or no?

1:36:54.560 --> 1:36:56.120
<v Speaker 3>No, I shouldn't.

1:36:58.479 --> 1:36:59.080
<v Speaker 2>I'll give you.

1:36:59.040 --> 1:37:01.519
<v Speaker 4>A tiny done it before by log but with a

1:37:01.560 --> 1:37:04.439
<v Speaker 4>compound all the Yeah, yeah, I did that all the time,

1:37:04.479 --> 1:37:06.839
<v Speaker 4>back in the early days, you know, and not shouldn't

1:37:06.840 --> 1:37:08.920
<v Speaker 4>say all the time, but it's you know, I mean,

1:37:08.960 --> 1:37:10.599
<v Speaker 4>it's pretty easy with a compound, but.

1:37:10.600 --> 1:37:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Possibly yeah, Okay, if you can only have one of

1:37:13.400 --> 1:37:15.960
<v Speaker 2>these tools for the rest of your hunts, would it

1:37:16.040 --> 1:37:18.080
<v Speaker 2>be a set of rattling antlers or a grunt too,

1:37:20.560 --> 1:37:24.560
<v Speaker 2>rattling antlers expandable or fixed blade broadheads?

1:37:24.960 --> 1:37:26.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm a fixed.

1:37:27.200 --> 1:37:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Should you stop a buck with some kind of sound

1:37:29.800 --> 1:37:32.120
<v Speaker 2>before shooting? Yes? Or no? A moving buck?

1:37:32.800 --> 1:37:33.679
<v Speaker 4>I don't think.

1:37:35.160 --> 1:37:39.439
<v Speaker 2>All right, this one of the it's relative.

1:37:39.479 --> 1:37:42.240
<v Speaker 4>It's relative of the hunt, hunter to and experience and

1:37:42.720 --> 1:37:43.400
<v Speaker 4>certain things.

1:37:43.840 --> 1:37:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Yep. Yeah, and you've got a very unique situation compared

1:37:47.280 --> 1:37:49.240
<v Speaker 2>a lot of guys too, with how you're shooting and everything.

1:37:49.920 --> 1:37:52.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And there's the the animals react different when you

1:37:52.320 --> 1:37:55.040
<v Speaker 4>stop them compared to sometimes it's easier to gauge if

1:37:55.200 --> 1:37:58.720
<v Speaker 4>if the movement's very steady and there's no panic in

1:37:58.800 --> 1:38:02.240
<v Speaker 4>the hunt in the arch, sure he can probably execute

1:38:02.240 --> 1:38:07.240
<v Speaker 4>that shot much smoother by not stopping them with less

1:38:07.280 --> 1:38:08.759
<v Speaker 4>reaction from the animal.

1:38:09.200 --> 1:38:11.759
<v Speaker 3>So there's a lot of variables in there.

1:38:12.040 --> 1:38:15.160
<v Speaker 4>You know, some some archers may be better to stop

1:38:15.160 --> 1:38:17.320
<v Speaker 4>that year, but your reaction from the animal is going

1:38:17.400 --> 1:38:19.880
<v Speaker 4>to be you know, so that that one's a tough

1:38:19.880 --> 1:38:21.040
<v Speaker 4>one to really susy.

1:38:21.439 --> 1:38:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, this one you can you can riff

1:38:25.080 --> 1:38:29.599
<v Speaker 2>on a little bit. Imagine that I control hunting access

1:38:29.600 --> 1:38:32.160
<v Speaker 2>across the country, hunting rights, like I can control whether

1:38:32.200 --> 1:38:34.920
<v Speaker 2>or not you get a hunting license. Okay, and I'm

1:38:34.960 --> 1:38:37.400
<v Speaker 2>going to take your hunting license away for the rest

1:38:37.439 --> 1:38:40.679
<v Speaker 2>of your life unless you kill a mature buck this year.

1:38:40.960 --> 1:38:42.680
<v Speaker 2>You need to kill one mature buck this year, and

1:38:42.720 --> 1:38:45.200
<v Speaker 2>if you don't, no more hunting the rest of your life. Okay.

1:38:46.040 --> 1:38:48.920
<v Speaker 2>But here's the trick. You only have one day to

1:38:48.960 --> 1:38:52.880
<v Speaker 2>get this done, in one place to do it. So

1:38:52.960 --> 1:38:55.719
<v Speaker 2>I need you to pick the date on the calendar

1:38:56.160 --> 1:38:58.360
<v Speaker 2>that you think you'd have your very best chance to

1:38:58.439 --> 1:39:01.280
<v Speaker 2>kill a mature buck. And I need you to describe

1:39:01.280 --> 1:39:04.320
<v Speaker 2>for me the location that you would set yourself down on.

1:39:05.560 --> 1:39:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Now you're a little bit different. A lot of guys

1:39:07.120 --> 1:39:09.040
<v Speaker 2>would pick like a tree stand in a certain kind

1:39:09.080 --> 1:39:10.800
<v Speaker 2>of zone. I know you're different, so I'll let you

1:39:10.880 --> 1:39:13.280
<v Speaker 2>like you can. I'll pick the spot you want to

1:39:13.280 --> 1:39:15.800
<v Speaker 2>be dropped off at. You have to be on foot.

1:39:16.840 --> 1:39:18.479
<v Speaker 2>You can describe to me what kind of spot you

1:39:18.520 --> 1:39:20.240
<v Speaker 2>want to be dropped off at and what kind of

1:39:20.240 --> 1:39:23.720
<v Speaker 2>stuff's around you? All right, high stakes hunt, Give me

1:39:23.760 --> 1:39:25.960
<v Speaker 2>the date and the situation to be dropped off at.

1:39:26.960 --> 1:39:30.719
<v Speaker 3>I can pick the location, right.

1:39:30.680 --> 1:39:33.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep, you can whatever location you want, Okay.

1:39:33.800 --> 1:39:34.799
<v Speaker 3>I'd probably go.

1:39:37.200 --> 1:39:45.639
<v Speaker 4>November twenty second, and I'd go Iowa, and the terrain

1:39:45.720 --> 1:39:53.080
<v Speaker 4>would be wooded with mixed with some CRP grass, you know,

1:39:54.120 --> 1:39:58.200
<v Speaker 4>button up to kind of an intermix of both. That's

1:39:58.640 --> 1:39:59.519
<v Speaker 4>that's what I would do.

1:40:00.479 --> 1:40:03.479
<v Speaker 2>And why why November twice second? That's later than a

1:40:03.520 --> 1:40:07.240
<v Speaker 2>lot of guys pick, and and why mixed timber and

1:40:07.280 --> 1:40:09.760
<v Speaker 2>cover in CRP versus like a wide open thing that

1:40:09.800 --> 1:40:10.559
<v Speaker 2>we see so much?

1:40:10.840 --> 1:40:14.240
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Well you said mature buck, right, yep? Okay, So

1:40:14.560 --> 1:40:16.760
<v Speaker 4>in the early days, I maybe would have picked Kansas.

1:40:17.400 --> 1:40:19.720
<v Speaker 4>But Kansas on the planes has gotten a lot more

1:40:19.720 --> 1:40:23.160
<v Speaker 4>pressure and over the years, and so it can take

1:40:23.200 --> 1:40:28.200
<v Speaker 4>several days to actually land a big buck visually a

1:40:28.200 --> 1:40:31.360
<v Speaker 4>big mature buck on public in a good scenario to

1:40:31.439 --> 1:40:36.200
<v Speaker 4>kill it. So not so much in the early days.

1:40:36.200 --> 1:40:37.880
<v Speaker 4>And then you know, ten years ago, I probably would

1:40:37.920 --> 1:40:41.439
<v Speaker 4>have picked Kansas in this in this particular scenario. The

1:40:41.479 --> 1:40:46.240
<v Speaker 4>reason I went late in Iowa is because I would

1:40:46.240 --> 1:40:50.439
<v Speaker 4>pick an area that has a lot of bucks and

1:40:50.479 --> 1:40:55.080
<v Speaker 4>a lot of dose, and I could probably find a

1:40:55.120 --> 1:41:01.120
<v Speaker 4>mature buck on that day around those dates within kind

1:41:01.120 --> 1:41:06.960
<v Speaker 4>of what I laid out there, that's cruising or trying

1:41:06.960 --> 1:41:09.160
<v Speaker 4>to find another dough. There's enough good bucks in that

1:41:09.280 --> 1:41:13.639
<v Speaker 4>area and enough dose that some are probably still coming

1:41:13.640 --> 1:41:18.320
<v Speaker 4>in and you know out and I would as far

1:41:18.360 --> 1:41:21.120
<v Speaker 4>as like, we don't know what conditions we're going to

1:41:21.200 --> 1:41:22.920
<v Speaker 4>get to deal with, whether we're going to get a

1:41:22.920 --> 1:41:25.960
<v Speaker 4>lot of wind or not. So having timber as an

1:41:26.000 --> 1:41:30.000
<v Speaker 4>option and grass as an option, I can work my eyes,

1:41:30.080 --> 1:41:31.800
<v Speaker 4>I can get in the timber if I need to.

1:41:33.800 --> 1:41:35.760
<v Speaker 4>And that's kind of what I did with a little

1:41:35.760 --> 1:41:38.080
<v Speaker 4>bit of time I got last fall. And I did

1:41:38.360 --> 1:41:42.760
<v Speaker 4>get on a shooter every day, so I didn't kill one,

1:41:42.800 --> 1:41:46.479
<v Speaker 4>but I you know, I I also damn near had

1:41:46.520 --> 1:41:49.840
<v Speaker 4>one hundred and seventy five inch typical in my lap too, so.

1:41:53.400 --> 1:41:56.800
<v Speaker 3>You know, I had a good few days getting out there.

1:41:56.880 --> 1:42:00.439
<v Speaker 4>But it was a situation much like I described, and

1:42:00.479 --> 1:42:05.680
<v Speaker 4>so that's that's why I went. I kind of digested

1:42:05.720 --> 1:42:10.120
<v Speaker 4>it after, like I wasn't quite expecting that, but I

1:42:10.200 --> 1:42:13.559
<v Speaker 4>dissected all the different factors after I seen what I've

1:42:13.600 --> 1:42:17.839
<v Speaker 4>seen as to why that was really good for.

1:42:17.680 --> 1:42:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Me, So it makes sense. So yeah, all right, what

1:42:21.880 --> 1:42:24.360
<v Speaker 2>I would do? I like it. I like the plan.

1:42:24.600 --> 1:42:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it'll work. Hopefully you'll never find yourself in

1:42:28.640 --> 1:42:30.400
<v Speaker 2>a situation like that where you only have one day

1:42:30.439 --> 1:42:34.719
<v Speaker 2>to get it done and uh, such igh stakes. But uh,

1:42:35.040 --> 1:42:38.200
<v Speaker 2>but tell me this last thing. What should folks be

1:42:38.240 --> 1:42:41.280
<v Speaker 2>looking forward to from White Tail Adrenaline? Uh, in the

1:42:41.400 --> 1:42:43.800
<v Speaker 2>in the short term or in the long term. Anything

1:42:43.840 --> 1:42:46.000
<v Speaker 2>you want folks to know about anything people should be

1:42:46.040 --> 1:42:48.720
<v Speaker 2>checking out right now as they listen to this. What

1:42:48.760 --> 1:42:49.479
<v Speaker 2>do you want people to know?

1:42:50.920 --> 1:42:54.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, we're as far as the next film goes.

1:42:54.800 --> 1:42:58.559
<v Speaker 4>It's very far along in production. It still has some

1:42:58.680 --> 1:43:01.240
<v Speaker 4>time to go on it, but it to to really

1:43:03.479 --> 1:43:06.679
<v Speaker 4>make it what it needs to be that people really

1:43:06.760 --> 1:43:11.600
<v Speaker 4>like about our content, you know, it's it's gonna be

1:43:11.800 --> 1:43:18.840
<v Speaker 4>an incredible set, a lot of really good hunts and

1:43:18.960 --> 1:43:23.599
<v Speaker 4>really good bow hunts. And then moving forward, Yeah, it's

1:43:23.800 --> 1:43:27.080
<v Speaker 4>it's a fairly large project. The next one. H moving

1:43:27.120 --> 1:43:29.880
<v Speaker 4>forward after that, there won't be people won't see as

1:43:29.960 --> 1:43:32.920
<v Speaker 4>much gun, it'll be much more bow and even the

1:43:32.960 --> 1:43:35.080
<v Speaker 4>next one has quite a bit of you know, quite

1:43:35.080 --> 1:43:37.160
<v Speaker 4>a bit higher ratio of bo i'd say, and some

1:43:38.360 --> 1:43:40.240
<v Speaker 4>I can't wait for the next one to come out, but.

1:43:42.600 --> 1:43:43.240
<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be.

1:43:44.360 --> 1:43:46.479
<v Speaker 4>I I expect it to be the new, the new

1:43:47.000 --> 1:43:49.719
<v Speaker 4>you know, Defiance has been for a long time, probably

1:43:49.720 --> 1:43:53.280
<v Speaker 4>our overall top picked video, and a lot of people

1:43:53.360 --> 1:43:57.000
<v Speaker 4>have really enjoyed the Uncuffed series. The next one coming out,

1:43:57.200 --> 1:43:59.679
<v Speaker 4>the Hunts are gonna come. They came together so smooth

1:43:59.720 --> 1:44:01.959
<v Speaker 4>and such incredible hunts that.

1:44:03.400 --> 1:44:05.479
<v Speaker 3>It maybe be too much if it came.

1:44:05.360 --> 1:44:08.160
<v Speaker 4>Out too quick on top of Uncuffed, it maybe be

1:44:08.280 --> 1:44:08.800
<v Speaker 4>too much.

1:44:09.479 --> 1:44:12.519
<v Speaker 3>So I'm excited about it, you know.

1:44:12.800 --> 1:44:17.679
<v Speaker 4>And uh, I just want to thank everybody who hung

1:44:17.720 --> 1:44:22.280
<v Speaker 4>in there for the production of Uncuffed. And it seems

1:44:22.320 --> 1:44:25.640
<v Speaker 4>like we got through that and and it seems like

1:44:25.720 --> 1:44:32.479
<v Speaker 4>people really enjoyed have enjoyed Uncuffed, and so uh some

1:44:32.520 --> 1:44:37.400
<v Speaker 4>people are new to the company surprisingly buying DVD's. That's

1:44:37.439 --> 1:44:42.760
<v Speaker 4>that's awesome, welcome and uh and those that have been

1:44:42.800 --> 1:44:45.639
<v Speaker 4>there for the long haul, I thank you for for

1:44:45.680 --> 1:44:47.559
<v Speaker 4>hanging in there and and.

1:44:47.439 --> 1:44:51.360
<v Speaker 2>Uh so and you've got more available on digital right, like,

1:44:51.360 --> 1:44:53.400
<v Speaker 2>like that's becoming more of an option in the future.

1:44:53.479 --> 1:44:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Is that correct, Yeah, it will be.

1:44:55.800 --> 1:45:00.360
<v Speaker 4>Resurgence is on digital for available for purchasing. For those

1:45:00.400 --> 1:45:03.719
<v Speaker 4>that don't know how our business model and company works.

1:45:03.720 --> 1:45:06.600
<v Speaker 4>We don't take outside you know, sponsor. We don't do

1:45:06.640 --> 1:45:10.160
<v Speaker 4>sponsors funded you know, by companies within the industry.

1:45:10.200 --> 1:45:11.080
<v Speaker 3>There's a couple of companies.

1:45:11.120 --> 1:45:13.599
<v Speaker 4>I use a lot of optics, you know, and and

1:45:13.600 --> 1:45:15.760
<v Speaker 4>and and whatnot. But I don't do any exchange of

1:45:15.880 --> 1:45:21.200
<v Speaker 4>money for for any to to fund the productions. So

1:45:21.360 --> 1:45:23.880
<v Speaker 4>people actually buy the content. What we try to do

1:45:23.960 --> 1:45:27.559
<v Speaker 4>is produce it to the best of our abilities, to

1:45:27.640 --> 1:45:31.280
<v Speaker 4>produce a really good product. The offsetter is it is

1:45:31.360 --> 1:45:35.640
<v Speaker 4>not free too, you know, uh for people, so it

1:45:35.680 --> 1:45:39.559
<v Speaker 4>is purchaseable and I do in time plan to have

1:45:39.760 --> 1:45:41.439
<v Speaker 4>all of them available on digital.

1:45:43.280 --> 1:45:44.680
<v Speaker 3>But the vinyl.

1:45:45.040 --> 1:45:48.280
<v Speaker 4>Record discs look cool on the bookshelf, and uh so

1:45:49.760 --> 1:45:52.719
<v Speaker 4>thanks for everybody that's been buying them over the years.

1:45:52.800 --> 1:45:55.600
<v Speaker 3>And uh and for the.

1:45:56.000 --> 1:45:59.040
<v Speaker 4>People that really are like you, better not stop making DVDs.

1:45:59.200 --> 1:46:02.280
<v Speaker 4>We don't have any plan to stop making DVDs for

1:46:02.320 --> 1:46:08.000
<v Speaker 4>a while, but yes, I hope to have Uncuffed available

1:46:08.000 --> 1:46:10.400
<v Speaker 4>on digital around the end of the year. Is where

1:46:10.439 --> 1:46:11.760
<v Speaker 4>it looks right now, So.

1:46:12.320 --> 1:46:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Cool man, keep up the good work, keep on grinding that.

1:46:16.200 --> 1:46:18.600
<v Speaker 2>I know it sure seems like a heck of an undertaking,

1:46:18.920 --> 1:46:22.960
<v Speaker 2>but we all have been enjoying your hunts over these

1:46:23.000 --> 1:46:26.080
<v Speaker 2>many years. We've all learned a lot. You've been an innovator,

1:46:26.479 --> 1:46:28.760
<v Speaker 2>someone who has really brought a lot of new things

1:46:28.760 --> 1:46:30.640
<v Speaker 2>to light for folks, and I, for one, I'm very

1:46:30.680 --> 1:46:31.439
<v Speaker 2>appreciative of that.

1:46:31.800 --> 1:46:34.280
<v Speaker 4>Thank you, Thank you well. When you make a lot

1:46:34.320 --> 1:46:36.439
<v Speaker 4>of mistakes, That's one thing I've been doing some reflected

1:46:36.439 --> 1:46:39.240
<v Speaker 4>because I'm working on in our story page on the website,

1:46:39.280 --> 1:46:40.720
<v Speaker 4>and so I've been posting up some of the old

1:46:40.720 --> 1:46:43.000
<v Speaker 4>photos and it's taken me down memory lane a little bit,

1:46:43.040 --> 1:46:45.280
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, you know, from the get go,

1:46:45.439 --> 1:46:48.559
<v Speaker 4>we we made the decision we're going to show our

1:46:48.600 --> 1:46:50.520
<v Speaker 4>mistakes as they unfold.

1:46:50.600 --> 1:46:54.080
<v Speaker 3>And I think the caveat on the flip side.

1:46:54.120 --> 1:46:57.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a little hard to swallow sometimes, right, but

1:46:57.920 --> 1:47:00.559
<v Speaker 4>you just over time, I mean, we actually accepted it

1:47:00.600 --> 1:47:03.599
<v Speaker 4>pretty well. But that refined us. You know, you're facing

1:47:03.640 --> 1:47:07.040
<v Speaker 4>the truth of what went wrong, and so you eventually

1:47:07.840 --> 1:47:10.120
<v Speaker 4>put some dirt in those holes or would you know,

1:47:10.200 --> 1:47:13.840
<v Speaker 4>some of them and other ones then you know come

1:47:13.880 --> 1:47:14.479
<v Speaker 4>to development.

1:47:14.640 --> 1:47:18.040
<v Speaker 2>But that's we are humans. Yeah, yeah, exactly, so that's

1:47:18.080 --> 1:47:18.439
<v Speaker 2>the truth.

1:47:18.479 --> 1:47:18.839
<v Speaker 4>Anyway.

1:47:18.960 --> 1:47:20.439
<v Speaker 3>Well, thanks a lot.

1:47:20.600 --> 1:47:23.679
<v Speaker 4>I really appreciate you having this has been fun and

1:47:24.400 --> 1:47:26.719
<v Speaker 4>hopefully people got something out of it.

1:47:27.520 --> 1:47:29.519
<v Speaker 2>I know they did. Let's talk again soon, Jereck. If

1:47:29.520 --> 1:47:31.120
<v Speaker 2>you can add just a little bit of a wrinkle

1:47:31.240 --> 1:47:33.800
<v Speaker 2>to your usual strategy and see what you can learn.

1:47:34.400 --> 1:47:37.960
<v Speaker 2>So that'll say, appreciate you being here, Appreciate you being

1:47:37.960 --> 1:47:40.559
<v Speaker 2>a part of this community. Best of luck on your

1:47:40.600 --> 1:47:45.679
<v Speaker 2>upcoming hunts, and until next time, stay wired to Hunt.