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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, we are running Jared Sheffler through our what

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Speaker 2: would you Do? Gauntlet, which I will be presenting Jared

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Speaker 2: with some of the toughest deer hunting situations I can

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Speaker 2: think of to see exactly how we handle it. All right,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to

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Speaker 2: it out over at first Light dot com. And today's episode,

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Speaker 2: we are continuing the What would You Do? Series. Today's

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Speaker 2: guest is Jared Scheffler, and I'm gonna give you some

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Speaker 2: background on Jared and some background on the series just

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Speaker 2: in case you're new the series. The what would you

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Speaker 2: Do Gauntlet basically entails me running really good deer hunters

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Speaker 2: through a series of hypothetical deer hunting situations. So I

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Speaker 2: try to present a very specific situation, some certain circumstances like, hey,

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Speaker 2: you're going to be in this state with these conditions

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Speaker 2: at this time of year, and here's what's going on.

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Speaker 2: What would you do? Why would you do that? How

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Speaker 2: would you do that? That's the kind of stuff we're

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Speaker 2: going for. And the whole the idea behind this is

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Speaker 2: just to get a different way of learning from these people. Right,

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Speaker 2: there's all sorts of hunting podcasts out there. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of these people who have been heard from on

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Speaker 2: many of these podcasts many times. So I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: find new ways that we can learn, new ways that

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Speaker 2: we can grow and gain experience from these people's stories,

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Speaker 2: you know, explanations and lessons. So that's what we're trying

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Speaker 2: to achieve here today. And like I mentioned, the guest,

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Speaker 2: our guest today is Jared Scheffler from Whitetail Adrenaline. If

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Speaker 2: he haven't seen Whitetail Adrenaline, this is some different kind

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Speaker 2: of stuff. This is a style of hunting that is aggressive,

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Speaker 2: that is mobile, and is essentially all on the ground.

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Speaker 2: Jared kind of pioneered a lot of this stuff over

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Speaker 2: the last I don't know, maybe fifteen plus years now

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Speaker 2: with his videos showing you know, very aggressive hunting techniques

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Speaker 2: on the ground with a bow, sometimes just stalking up

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Speaker 2: on white tails, sometimes setting up on the ground and

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Speaker 2: a handheld tacoy. Jared's very good at what he does,

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Speaker 2: and what I want to do today was understand a

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Speaker 2: Upper Midwest, timber, open country, good conditions, bad conditions. I

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Speaker 2: try to get Jared to kind of consider all these

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Speaker 2: difference that of circumstances can still take something from Jared.

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Speaker 2: So I would encourage you, even if you are, you know,

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Speaker 2: give this one a listen. Consider some of these new ideas.

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Speaker 2: Consider the thought process that Jared puts into his strategy.

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Speaker 2: Even if you think this stuff's crazy. Hunting on the ground,

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Speaker 2: slipping around, stalking in on deer, or calling deer in

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Speaker 2: to make myself better? Is there any little trick you

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Speaker 2: do this thing we've talked about, like parallel thinking, you know,

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Speaker 2: of the stuff he's talking about, just the way he

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Speaker 2: that's my long winded way of pitching you on this one.

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Speaker 2: I think you're gonna enjoy it. Great guy, interesting guy.

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Speaker 2: So I hope you enjoy our chat here with Jared.

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Speaker 2: I hope your season is going well if you have

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Speaker 2: started already, if you're one of the lucky ones with

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Speaker 2: a September opener, and if not, man, we are getting

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Speaker 2: White Tails in a matter of days. So without further ado,

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Speaker 2: let's get to my chap with Jared. All right here

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Speaker 2: with me back on the show is mister Jared Scheffler. Jared,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being here.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to have you on this one. We've done

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Speaker 2: I think has proven to be one that folks really enjoy.

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Speaker 2: It's fun for me because you get this different kind

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Speaker 2: I think is going to be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: So well, there's more than one way, you know.

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Speaker 4: I love it because there's a lot of different strategies

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Speaker 4: and angles that work, you know, and we do something

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I think that's that's a perfect way

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Speaker 2: gotta say, I've been watching rewatching some of your videos

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Speaker 2: have started to refer to you as like the crazy guy,

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Speaker 2: Like that guy's crazy. So I think that they're catching

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Speaker 2: You got a lot going on. It's you know, fall

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Speaker 2: So, all right, we're gonna We're gonna start with some

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Speaker 2: All right, Okay, so let's imagine this first scenario. This

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Speaker 2: ready for a hunt. Let's imagine that this coming fall,

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Speaker 2: brand new location. So this is some You're in hunt

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Speaker 2: What is what e scouting or map studying or prep

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Speaker 2: You can do some private, you can do some public.

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Speaker 4: That, okay. And the reason I ask is because the

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean some some states operate like that.

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Speaker 4: We don't need to go down, but sometimes, I mean

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Speaker 3: We're not going in.

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Speaker 4: Until it's like hunt time. They're not going to know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's let's rewind back to pre hunt. Still, Okay,

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Speaker 4: Are we still talking about like the plane states?

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Speaker 3: From that crop source.

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Speaker 4: The later the season gets, you know, obviously on rutkicks

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Speaker 2: But so then that's my last thing is okay, now,

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Speaker 4: I pretty much don't look at crop at all for

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Speaker 4: You know you're you're wooded, but I don't know as

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Speaker 3: So you know, I'm getting sidetracked a little bit.

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Speaker 4: But in those plain states when it comes to the rut,

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Speaker 2: So on the maps, is there anything that you mentioned

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Speaker 2: you try to come into that trip with a list

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't like to get too pre invested on

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Speaker 4: you aren't ape and that totally changes everything because no

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Speaker 2: I believe you.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about the plane states where those deer they

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Speaker 4: they don't tolerat it as much. They just get the

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, true. You mentioned at the beginning with that

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Speaker 4: Uh, not terribly much different generally speaking, first day, new area.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna hang back and just kind of see what's

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Speaker 4: And and sometimes there's still days like that during the rut,

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Speaker 3: You know, it depends.

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Speaker 4: It's in the great planes where it's really wide open

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Speaker 3: Now, if there's enough cover and whatnot. There what we.

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Speaker 4: Found is those deer, once a big buckets locked on

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Speaker 3: And if she's just coming in.

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Speaker 4: Usually they don't end up too far away over that

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Speaker 2: What about that first situation. I want to dip in

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Speaker 2: two parts. Number one, if it's a super still day

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00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: like that and you spot them and it's getting towards

437
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 2: the end of the evening, would you try to make

438
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: a move on something or would you say, well, I'll

439
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 2: wait till tomorrow because there's a little bit more wind

440
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: and slightly better conditioned. So that's question number one. And

441
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: then question number two is if you lose sight of

442
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: that deer at dark, what does the next morning look like? Again,

443
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: it's Midwest, mixed cover and lightish wins the next morning,

444
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 2: So Part one, Part two questions.

445
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to answer the part two question first,

446
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 4: just so it's in because part two is if it

447
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 4: comes to dark, and I mean the next morning, we're

448
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 4: gonna be hunkered pretty close, probably not on foot, depending

449
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 4: on the situation, Probably not on foot, probably in the vehicle.

450
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean that we might not hike a couple

451
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 4: hundred yards to a high point where we can really

452
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 4: you know, and maybe it's five hundred yards to a

453
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 4: high point, but we're gonna be things could have changed overnight.

454
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 4: You know, they'll probably be in the vicinity, but it's

455
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 4: probably gonna be I shouldn't say probably. There's a decent

456
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 4: chance they'll be somewhere in that four or five six

457
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 4: hundred yards. They could be right right there, you know. So, uh,

458
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 4: that's what we're going to do in that particular case,

459
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 4: rolling back to point one, very still, calm conditions, not

460
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 4: a lot of time left in the day to make

461
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 4: it happen. That's gonna be situations, situationally based.

462
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: Because there's.

463
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 4: When you got a big buck that's on a hot

464
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 4: dough like that, and Chancey is phenomenal at this being

465
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 4: able to recognize that those just coming into heat or

466
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 4: she's probably on day three of heat and she's probably

467
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 4: gonna be out by tomorrow morning.

468
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 2: Explain that that it's.

469
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: It's really hard to explain. He would be better at that.

470
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 4: But I've watched him, whether I'm with him or editing

471
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 4: the footage, I've watched him pick up on things and

472
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 4: he doesn't necessarily always just explain it, but he's usually

473
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 4: very accurate on that. And so, I mean, a few

474
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 4: years back, he had a big one that he found,

475
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 4: I think that was day one. He found it and

476
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 4: it was hung up with a dough, and he read

477
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 4: it right out of the gate, and he it was

478
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 4: pretty fairly calmed conditions, and he he probably would have

479
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 4: gotten more aggressive, but he read it right that that

480
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 4: dough was just coming into heat, so he knew, Okay,

481
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 4: that's a mature enough buck. He's not going to be

482
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 4: too intimidated by satellite bucks and everything's going to get

483
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 4: disrupted and he's going to end up a mile away.

484
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 4: He's probably going to be pretty close the next day,

485
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 4: so I'm not going to get too aggressive. And he

486
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 4: he did it right. I mean that this game of

487
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 4: on the ground, it's a constant passive aggressive, you know,

488
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 4: and over the years you get it more and more honed,

489
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 4: and there's a lot that goes into it.

490
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 3: Now, if it appears.

491
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 4: Let's say you got a three year old buck and

492
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 4: let's say four and five year old bucks in this

493
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 4: area are somewhat common, and you're already dealing with some

494
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 4: satellite bucks that are poking around, and he's real aggressive

495
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 4: and real you know, you can just read the book

496
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 4: and he almost kind of feels maybe a little bit threatened,

497
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 4: like he's not the dominant necessarily. Maybe it is a

498
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 4: good time to move in and just try to make

499
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 4: it happen, because that's an indicator right there that a

500
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 4: lot's probably going to change overnight.

501
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: And either.

502
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 4: And if you're playing the public land game, there's always

503
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 4: that risk too of are they even going to be

504
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 4: on public the next day? You know, So there's a

505
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 4: lot of factors in there that you know, I will

506
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 4: say this though, sometimes we've taken chances with like, yeah,

507
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 4: we got like a five percent chance this is gonna

508
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 4: actually work, but we just kind of feel like there's

509
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: no point in not trying because they're probably going to

510
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 4: be on private the next day or whatever, and we've

511
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 4: pulled it off or we've been so narrowly close, and

512
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 4: it was just a slight little mistake on our end.

513
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: In similar conditions to what you described, where there's like no.

514
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 4: Win and it's like this is gonna be next to impossible,

515
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 4: and then it's like, damn, we got that one, or

516
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 4: we almost got that one. We were so close. And

517
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 4: then there's been plenty of times where it's like, okay,

518
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 4: you almost count your chickens before they hatch, like this

519
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 4: should be a slam dunk, and then we get slapped

520
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 4: in the face.

521
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: So so what about this one? What about let's just

522
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: paint this picture a little bit further. Let's say you

523
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: had those conditions the night of you observe the buck

524
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: with a dough, but for whatever reason, decide that you're

525
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: not going to press the matter. You observe them for

526
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: the last half hour of daylight. You watch them kind

527
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: of just milling around this tall brushy stuff. Okay, there's

528
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: like there's basically crp type fields, and then a few

529
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: brush your draws in the area. You come back in

530
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: the next morning. You said you would probably observe from

531
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: a truck. Let's say you're on the side of a road,

532
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: your glass and your glass and sure enough, you spot

533
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: them five hundred yards away, and you spot them move

534
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: down towards one of these draws and bed, you spot

535
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: the two deer bedded. It's an hour after daylight, now

536
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: dead still. You're five hundred and fifty yards away. It's

537
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: November seventh, it's public land. And you've seen three other

538
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: cars drive by on the road that have hunters in them.

539
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: You haven't seen them stop. You haven't seen them get

540
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: out to hunt this area. But you know, like, hey,

541
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: there's pressure around. There's a big buck betted with a

542
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: doll five hundred and fifty yards away. You watched them bed.

543
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: It's crisp, it's still. Now what do you do? And

544
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: I'll tell you the wind is subpar, Like the wind

545
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: is kind of blowing ish towards them, like kind not

546
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: straight at them from you. But you don't have the

547
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: wind in your face.

548
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, So the first thing I am gonna

549
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 4: do is today we have the app, so tell us

550
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 4: what the wind's gonna do throughout the day. And it's

551
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 4: not always one hundred percent accurate. And then you got

552
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 4: trains in there and stuff, but I'm at least gonna

553
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 4: get an idea. Am I gonna get a fifteen to

554
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 4: twenty mile an hour wind here in a few hours,

555
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 4: is that win gonna switch? And I'm gonna take a

556
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 4: look at all that, And that's only gonna take a

557
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 4: couple of minutes to boom boom boom boom boom. Okay,

558
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 4: all right, that's what we got to work with over

559
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 4: the course of the day. And then you brought up

560
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 4: the other hunters. Okay, so I'm assuming this buck is

561
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 4: hunkered down. Okay, good, the hunters can't see them, you know. Okay,

562
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 4: all right, we got them all messled in, so that's good.

563
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: But being a buck with it hot though, all it's

564
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 3: gonna take.

565
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 4: Is a satellite buck, cruising buck to come in there

566
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: and stir things up and they get on their feet

567
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 4: and the hunter just happens to drive by and sees that.

568
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 4: So it's it's kind of a risky deal to lay

569
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 4: back too. So in this particular case, from what I you,

570
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 4: without being in the exact situation, I'm probably going to

571
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 4: try to get boots on the ground at least to

572
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 4: get a little bit of a footing down right out

573
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 4: of the you know, to get an edge on other hunters. Potentially.

574
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 4: First thing I'm going to do if I'm doing that,

575
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 4: is I'm going to get the vehicle parked in a

576
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 4: way that doesn't appear that something's going on. Like you know,

577
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 4: if I park the vehicle right along the road and

578
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 4: there's a parking lot three hundred yards up the road,

579
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 4: it sends like a message any hunter driving by, like, Oh,

580
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 4: something's going on around here. And then all of a

581
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 4: sudden people are slow rolling through there, doingmultiple passes, maybe

582
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 4: parking and stopping, and and that could totally disrupt them

583
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 4: when they're vetted, just by the sound of the vehicle

584
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 4: or just by visual maybe that the deer can see

585
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,239
Speaker 4: the vehicle and then it stops and it makes them

586
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 4: all fidgety.

587
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: So I'm going to get that vehicle.

588
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 4: Away from the situation a bit and parked in a

589
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 4: way that you're playing defense a lot of times here,

590
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 4: you know, because you're trying to buy some time, you know,

591
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 4: you know, And I mean when I say playing defense,

592
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 4: I mean that in all good, good, good fair competition fun.

593
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 4: You know. It's not like you don't want other people

594
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 4: to have a good hunt too, but you're in the

595
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 4: battle with a big buck, you know. Yeah, And and

596
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: then yeah, I mean being a very call what sounds

597
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 4: like a calm day at least starting out, I'm just

598
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 4: going to gradually, just ever so slowly work my way

599
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 4: in there. Now, when I say gradually and slowly, if

600
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 4: there's no risk from sight or sound or smell, I'm

601
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 4: going to cover ground very quickly because I'm not going

602
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 4: to have a visual and anything could happen at Bumpslow's

603
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 4: deer and the last thing, and I've been in this

604
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 4: situation before where to make your entrance you have to

605
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 4: lose your vantage point where you would maintain your visual,

606
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 4: and you want to cut when you're doing that. You

607
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 4: want to get through that whatever, whatever that is. You

608
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 4: want to cover ground as fast as you can to

609
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 4: get at least your vantage.

610
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: Back, because we've done that before.

611
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 4: And then spend hours slow creeping in there to find

612
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 4: that they exited the whole situation while we were doing

613
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: the ten minute you know pass where we lost our

614
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 4: where we had to lose our vantage point, and then

615
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 4: we crawl in there and it's like where did they go?

616
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 4: Where did they go? Where did they go?

617
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: They're not here?

618
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 4: Oh no, so so and and two when we're talking

619
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 4: about you mentioned like you're in your vehicle, I want

620
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 4: to The reason so often we don't like to leave

621
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 4: that vehicle in these situations until we're actually going in

622
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 4: is because the vehicle allows us to cover a lot

623
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 4: of ground. It's it's it's a lot of times a

624
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: vehicle gets referenced as a vehicle, it is in this

625
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 4: case a vehicle that allows us to get to the

626
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 4: next vantage point in case something you know, I mean,

627
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 4: something happens and they take off running. That happens a

628
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 4: lot of times, and you maybe need to get to

629
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 4: the next vantage point. So and and like I said,

630
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 4: sometimes the vantage point is a hike in a little

631
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 4: bit from the vehicle, and sometimes it's a long ways

632
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 4: in from the vehicle.

633
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: But you're.

634
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 4: When you're lead even that vehicle and you're you're not

635
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 4: ready to move in for the stock, you're at high

636
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 4: risk of if they decide something happens that triggers them

637
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 4: to cover ground and you're a ways away from the vehicle,

638
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 4: you're at high risk of losing it for the rest

639
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 4: of the day, losing your opportunity because they might take

640
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 4: off running over a hill or whatever that you can't

641
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 4: maintain your visual, You have no idea what happened where

642
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 4: they went after that, and by the time you get

643
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 4: to the vehicle and get to the next fountain, they

644
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 4: might already be vetted down in a pocket. You don't

645
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 4: know if they're half a mile this way or half

646
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 4: mile that way, or or whatnot. So that's why a

647
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 4: lot of times we like to, you know, during that

648
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 4: time of the year, we like to keep fairly close

649
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 4: to the vehicle in case we need to relocate to

650
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 4: another vantage point pretty quickly.

651
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 2: You know, so makes sense. So you stayed by the

652
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: vehicle for as long as possible, But now you're going

653
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: to make the move. You said you'd cover distance as

654
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 2: fast as you could, as long as there's no risk

655
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: of sight, sound, or smell interfering. So let's say you

656
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: did that. So we went from five hundred and fifty

657
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 2: yards to Let's now say you were able to cut

658
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 2: it to two hundred and fifty. But at two hundred

659
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: and fifty yards you come out of like you lose

660
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: your little hill, and now it's there's a risk of

661
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: being seen. Now from two hundred and fifty yards and

662
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 2: end it's still the wind is still low, it's still dry.

663
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 4: What Now, that's where you start putting on the brakes

664
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 4: a lot of times and moving very very slow. You

665
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 4: got good thing here is you got all day. You

666
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 4: got a lot of hours in the day. So there's

667
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 4: and you got your advantage. So you can see if

668
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 4: they if something happens and they decide they're going to

669
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 4: relocate or whatever.

670
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: So you're not in the dark.

671
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 4: I guess you're not slow creeping in the dark where

672
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 4: they could take an exit route, not an exit route

673
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 4: necessarily because they know about you.

674
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 3: Just for whatever reason, they get flighty.

675
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 4: A vehicle comes up the road, a satellite buck comes in,

676
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 4: whatever the case might be. You've got your vantage to

677
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 4: that point to observe that you got all day. Now

678
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 4: it's time to most of the time. It's going to

679
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 4: be time to put the brakes on. And all that

680
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 4: hustling you did through that point that you bought a

681
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,959
Speaker 4: little time too in there, and so now it's time

682
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 4: to You were a rabbit before, now it's time to

683
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 4: be a turtle.

684
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're slow rolling. Now, let me introduce a

685
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: red flag. Maybe at two hundred fifty yards. You're sneaking

686
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: a long, nice and quiet, you're the tortoise right now,

687
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden that buck stands up

688
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: and looks right at you and staring at you, and

689
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: I guess I'm assuming you have your handheld decoy with you.

690
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: Do you have your decoy with you.

691
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 4: This most of the time, I'm not going to have

692
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 4: that popped out yet, you're not if I if I

693
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 4: have it, no, but you.

694
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: Would possibly take it with you on this type of stock,

695
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: So it's probably with you.

696
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 4: Maybe it probably would be, but it's probably not pulled

697
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 4: out yet. If I'm two hundred or two hundred and

698
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 4: fifty yards away.

699
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: Okay, so then let's let's say this. Then, so he

700
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 2: stands up, You're two hundred and fifty yards away, and

701
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: he locks right on you, and you you have no

702
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: reason to think he smells you, but somehow he pegged you.

703
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 4: Now what, Freeze for a long time, don't move for

704
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 4: a long long time, and you're far enough away if

705
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 4: he's not. If he's not, the general rule I've come

706
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 4: to find is if they aren't exiting, they just saw something.

707
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 4: They haven't confirmed that you're a human or your threat

708
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 4: or anything yet. So since he's got a hot dough there,

709
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 4: if you just freeze and don't move, you'll probably be fine.

710
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 4: He'll he'll get preoccupied and sidetracked after a little while,

711
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 4: and he might kind of pop back in, you know,

712
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 4: and check on it a couple of times. Usually if

713
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 4: he's gonna do that, it's it's not gonna be a

714
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 4: long time. Like he'll get sidetracked at the dough for

715
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 4: a minute and then he might come back to you,

716
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 4: but it's usually not a half hour later or something.

717
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: He's you know, moved on.

718
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 4: And so usually if if they're pretty certain, if I

719
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 4: sense it, they're pretty certain something doesn't look right to him,

720
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 4: I pretty much expect the more attention they're given me

721
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 4: in that one first instant stance, like they stand there

722
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 4: for a few minutes, they're pretty convinced something's not right.

723
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 4: So that tells me that they're gonna come back to me,

724
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 4: Like they're gonna get sidetracked here in a minute with something,

725
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 4: but they've locked onto this situation enough to where they're

726
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 4: going to come back to it in a minute or

727
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 4: ten seconds or you know, I mean, it could be

728
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 4: just the normal trick of you know, you see this

729
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 4: a lot in early season, is you know they're trying

730
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 4: to you know, they're i mean all kinds of predatory

731
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 4: game does this to them. So that's how they got

732
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 4: so honed over, you know, thousands of years is is?

733
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 4: I mean, okay, if I look away, they know I'm

734
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 4: looking away, and that's when they're going to be moving up.

735
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 4: Did I get you? You know? Okay? So and eventually

736
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 4: they they if they start doing that and I and

737
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 4: I'm not moving, I've already beat them. It's just a

738
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 4: matter of I've already tricked them. They just don't know

739
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 4: it yet. But I got to be patient and just

740
00:40:55,120 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 4: not move. And eventually, nine times out of ten and

741
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 4: they eventually forget about it.

742
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: And except that it's nothing.

743
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna keep on playing this out. So that

744
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: happens at two hundred fifty yards. He stands up, he

745
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: stares you down. You freeze. Fifteen minutes go by. He

746
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 2: does the head bob at the end, but you don't blink,

747
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: you don't breathe, you don't move a muscle, nothing goes wrong,

748
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: the wind doesn't swirl. Eventually he gets back, puts his

749
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: attention on the dough. They re bet you now continue

750
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 2: your slow creep. It's now noon, and over the next

751
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: three hours you close the distance from two hundred and

752
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: fifty yards to eighty yards. But at eighty yards, because

753
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: of the lay of the land, there really is like

754
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 2: no way you can stay out of sight. I mean

755
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: even if you were like on all fours, if you

756
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: were to kind of you're kind of coming down a

757
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: hill now towards him and her, and they're bedded facing you.

758
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: So at this point you see no way you could

759
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: possibly get any closer without them seeing you. Now at

760
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 2: eighty yards, it's three o'clock in the afternoon. You're eighty

761
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: yards away from the buck bedded with the dough facing

762
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: you in you know, anywhere from like shin to just

763
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: above knee high grass. Now, okay, you have your handheld

764
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: decoy with you, you have a cameraman with you, you

765
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: have a bow with you. Still not a lot of

766
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: wind we now have, you know, two and a half

767
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 2: hours of daylight left something like that. What do you

768
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: do over the next two and a half hours.

769
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 4: That is a tough scenario. The first thing I would

770
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 4: potentially consider is I have this thing that sometimes I

771
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 4: will try stuff that is it's nearly impossible. I don't

772
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 4: know if it's just to see if it would work

773
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 4: or or what, but I I would evaluate could I

774
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 4: slither on my belly, not on all fours, but just

775
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 4: literally on my belly. Could I slope slither down this

776
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 4: hill ever so slowly and I'm in plain sight, but

777
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 4: I'm moving slow enough and I'm low enough. Could I

778
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 4: pull that off? And could I do it quiet enough

779
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 4: to where I didn't alarm them by sound without a

780
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 4: lot of wind though? You know, compound guys, you're a

781
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 4: lot safer because you got the range. So one thing

782
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 4: I've learned over the years is you know, I like

783
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 4: to get inside of twenty on them with a long bow. Well,

784
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 4: you get inside of twenty and you don't have a

785
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 4: lot of time. Yeah, And the tree stand guys know this.

786
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 4: When they get a big, mature old buck coming in,

787
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 4: when they start to break twenty yards coming in to

788
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 4: their tree stands set, they know a lot can that

789
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 4: buck can detect them through various methods and ways very quickly,

790
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: and oftentimes they do. So you're going to break that

791
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 4: threshold of twenty sneaking in on them, and then you're

792
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 4: going to hang out there for an hour.

793
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 3: To wait for an opportunity. That's very difficult to.

794
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 4: Do, especially when you don't have a lot of win

795
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 4: because then that wind just sits there and turns and

796
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 4: spins and you don't know what it's going to do,

797
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 4: and you can't. You can have the most optimal win,

798
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 4: but if there's not much of it, you really don't.

799
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 4: So I mean, I had a big, big, mature nine

800
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 4: pointer last year and it would have been a perfect

801
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 4: situation for a compoundent and we had five I think

802
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 4: five mile an hour winds. It wasn't much. I looked

803
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 4: at them, I'm like, it ain't picking up today, and

804
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 4: it was I think it was late morning we went

805
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 4: into this was in the timber, and I had a

806
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 4: beautiful fifty yard shot with a compound, but we had

807
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 4: what would be the perfect wind, but with it that looks.

808
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: You know, that soft.

809
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 4: I was talking about it for fifteen twenty minutes. We

810
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 4: were kind of peeking, moving around this cedar tree on them,

811
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 4: and I was like, I just there's no way, there's

812
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 4: no way I can get inside of twenty do it

813
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 4: in the I'd have to do it slow, and there's

814
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 4: no way there's gonna be a wind current or whatever.

815
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 4: And I kind of was reading it and I was like,

816
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 4: this dough has got she's just coming in there's no

817
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 4: pressure today disrupting this. It's it's during the week, so

818
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 4: that's good for pressure reason. And I was like, we

819
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 4: should back out of here and just bank on bank

820
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 4: on him him driving her back in here tomorrow morning.

821
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 3: We were.

822
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 4: Literally exiting backwards, very slowly, just a few yards, that's

823
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 4: all the further we made it, and one of the

824
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 4: wind currents from our location made it made it there

825
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 4: and we had the primary win. I mean, I'm not

826
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 4: going off the weather app I'm going we had the

827
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 4: primary win where we were at.

828
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 3: But you know, I he hot around too much.

829
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 4: My gut was telling me I need to back out

830
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 4: and and bank on them being there tomorrow. And I

831
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 4: I wanted to move in, and I burnt a little

832
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 4: too much time and it cost me. And I wasn't

833
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 4: quite expecting that at fifty yards for that to happen.

834
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 4: But I got sidetracked on that situation a little bit.

835
00:46:54,800 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: But so yeah, so at eighty yards, Yeah, if you

836
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: didn't do the slide in there on your belly thing,

837
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: would you try to bring him to you at all?

838
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: Would you try to call any kind of way or

839
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: flip up the decoy or anything, or just wait until

840
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: dark and hope he moves your way. What then, So.

841
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 4: With that decoy, one of the things we've done over

842
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 4: the years is if a buck's locked on a dough

843
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 4: and we've had a little time to observe them and

844
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 4: their satellite bucks, we'll get a pretty good idea on

845
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 4: how close we'd have to get to break the comfort

846
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 4: zone to where he comes comes in, you know, and

847
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 4: every buck's different.

848
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 3: He might.

849
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 4: He might just stand there and stare at these satellite

850
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 4: bucks and not take more than a few steps away

851
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 4: from him.

852
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 3: Still, he might come eighty yards.

853
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 4: So if we sense he's an aggressive buck, we probably

854
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 4: in that particular case, would whip.

855
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: It out on an eighty Now, we got.

856
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 4: Some footage in the works, not so much on the

857
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 4: next film, but the one that follows, where Tanner he

858
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 4: moved in three hundred yards with the decoy in plain sight.

859
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 4: He did it very slow.

860
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: And that buck, I don't think that buck came from

861
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 3: my understanding.

862
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 4: He was a big mature. I don't know. He looks

863
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 4: like he's fifty to sixty field dress big. He wasn't

864
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 4: budget from his dough, and a lot of times those big,

865
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 4: big old mature I got this, like you want to

866
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 4: come in here. Okay, I'm going to stare and look

867
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,479
Speaker 4: at you, but I don't got reason to come eighty yards.

868
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 4: I'm not that threatened. So he moved in there in

869
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 4: plain sight, I think it was three hundred yards and

870
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 4: all the way to I think twenty or somewhere around there,

871
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 4: and it worked. He was a beat up buck. He

872
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 4: didn't have a big rack, but I mean he was.

873
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 4: He was a brew. So yeah, we got some great

874
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 4: decoy stuff coming, not so much on the next one,

875
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 4: but the one that follows.

876
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: So which of those things, though, would you end up

877
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: doing if you had to pick right now, gun to

878
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: your head. In that scenario, which fork in the road

879
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 2: you'd pick?

880
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 4: I would probably do the decoy. But it gets funky

881
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 4: there because you mentioned shin high grass. Shinned knee high grass.

882
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 4: In my mind, that's enough grass to do the belly

883
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 4: crawl slide down. But there's not a lot of winds.

884
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 4: So me trying to move in with the decoy, all

885
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 4: that grass in the way of the decoy unless I

886
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 4: don't have you know, unless I have it lifted up,

887
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 4: which is gonna look goofy, or the legs come up.

888
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 4: All that noise from the grass hitting that decoy is

889
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 4: going to be a huge problem and gonna be kind

890
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 4: of cumbersome. So that that's a really tough tough call

891
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 4: on that particular one. But I'd say it's probably gonna

892
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 4: be better suited for the decoy. But doesn't mean that

893
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 4: I won't try the belly crawl in there just to see.

894
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: So okay, let's let's change it just a little bit. Yeah,

895
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: this this scenario has given us lots of stuff to

896
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 2: play with us. I'm just gonna keep on riffing on

897
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: this one. Let's imagine that we had a little bit

898
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 2: more cover, so instead of like shin hi grass, we

899
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: have like waist high grass and some clumpy bushes of

900
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: some kinds of shrubs and stuff. So actually, you're not

901
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: hung up at eighty. You've got the ability to sneak

902
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: within range, and you you do so, so you're slipping in,

903
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 2: you're slow rolling it in. You make it all the

904
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 2: way to within shooting range. But at shooting range. So

905
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: for you with the with your bow, let's say at

906
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: twenty yards, a little word does swirl yeah, up, bounces

907
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 2: off to thirty, pauses and looks at you. What do

908
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: you do?

909
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 3: I take the shot if I got it.

910
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 4: If and a lot of times in my experience, if

911
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 4: they get you by smell like that, not always, but

912
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 4: a lot of times, they're going more than.

913
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 3: Thirty you know, they're not just they're out of there now.

914
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 4: If they get you by sight or sound, that's pretty

915
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 4: common because they don't they haven't confirmed what that site

916
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 4: for surely is or what that sound for surely is.

917
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 4: Smell totally different deal. Smell is the worst one because

918
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 4: it's one hundred percent confirmation they know exactly what that is.

919
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: Sound sound, They don't know site, they don't know.

920
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 4: I mean most of the time they don't know, like

921
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 4: without taking in just a little bit more time, and

922
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 4: that might.

923
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 3: Be a half a second, that might be a few seconds.

924
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 4: That might be the stare off for five minutes if

925
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 4: they caught movement, but you're buying time. If they're getting

926
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 4: you by as by one of those senses. Smells the

927
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 4: worst because it is confirmation, and that's why it's so

928
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 4: dangerous and you don't know when it's coming.

929
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 3: The second you make too much noise, you know, it

930
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 3: can get wild.

931
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 4: You know, the second you maybe get a little bit

932
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 4: off balance and create a little extra movement.

933
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 3: You know, it could get wild the smell.

934
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 4: Sometimes you catch the you know, catch it on the

935
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 4: back of your neck or something, and you're like, oh shoot.

936
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 4: But sometimes you don't, and you don't know when it's

937
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 4: going to hit their nose, and so you're behind the

938
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 4: eight ball a lot on smelled because you don't always

939
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 4: know when they're going to get it, and when they

940
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 4: get it, it's pretty serious deal to them.

941
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you make a great point. So let's let

942
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: me adjust it just a little bit. Let's say you

943
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 2: step on a branch, it cracks, the buck jumps, We'll

944
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: say runs a what's the range for you, Jared? Where

945
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: you're like, Eh, I don't know if I want to

946
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 2: take that shot or not. What's that What would that

947
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 2: range be for you? Where you're like right on the

948
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 2: edge of man, I could I could probably pull it off,

949
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: but I don't know if I really want to. What

950
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: would that be for you right now?

951
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 3: Probably?

952
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,479
Speaker 4: Probably probably twenty. But I've only shot all year long.

953
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 4: I don't shoot range until closer to hunting season. Other

954
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 4: than this summer, I've shot in range four times, and

955
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 4: so I'd feel good to twenty right now.

956
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 3: I mean, in the season though i'd well by season.

957
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 4: You know, if I shot two three sessions and practiced

958
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 4: to thirty, i'd feel good to thirty, right, you know,

959
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 4: in two to three sessions.

960
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 3: It factors in pretty quick with where I'm going with it.

961
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 4: Though, if I'm inside of fifteen and I cracked that stick,

962
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna shoot him right there right now. I've

963
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 4: gotten fast enough that if that happens, it's gonna be

964
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 4: an explosion.

965
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: It's gonna be really wild, really quick.

966
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 4: So, and we do have one one documented that it

967
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 4: worked good doing that.

968
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: So but what about this situation where what if it's

969
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 2: just a little bit outside of like what you feel

970
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: really good at. So let's say thirty five, he stepped

971
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: on the twig, he bounds off to thirty five, he stops,

972
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 2: he's head bobbing. He's given you time. But in your

973
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: mind you're thinking, man, maybe I can make the shot.

974
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 2: But if I do, he's gonna is he gonna duck?

975
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: Is he gonna spin? He's all amped up. But if

976
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 2: I just freeze and do nothing, I'm going to miss

977
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: this opportunity. Then maybe you're thinking, but maybe if I

978
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,479
Speaker 2: hold still long enough, maybe he'll get curious and get

979
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: a little bit closer like they sometimes do, and they

980
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 2: don't really know what's going on. There's a whole bunch

981
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: of different ways this could go. In that scenario when

982
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 2: it's not a perfect easy shot, it's not the worst bump. Ever,

983
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 2: what about then.

984
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 4: I probably I would say what would probably happen now

985
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 4: is I would probably have already hit about full draw

986
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 4: by the time he was coming to a stop, and

987
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 4: that arrow's headed that direction about the instant he's coming

988
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 4: to a stop.

989
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 3: Not necessarily saying it would play.

990
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,959
Speaker 4: Out like that, but that's probably what my instincts would

991
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 4: kick in and just do and it would all be like, whoa,

992
00:55:51,040 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 4: that just happened kind of. That's probably probably probably the

993
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 4: scenario on that one. So that's one of the advantages.

994
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 4: You know, there's pros and cons to traditional bows and compounds.

995
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 4: You know, you can with a traditional bow, you can

996
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 4: execute a very quick shot, and you can you have

997
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 4: the ability to become very versatile in that with that

998
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 4: weapon as well. It's a give and take though there's

999
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 4: a lot of situations where the compound has a significant

1000
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 4: advantage in accuracy, range, drawback. You got to let off,

1001
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 4: you can hold it, you know, I mean it's it's

1002
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 4: if I'm inside of twenty, I'd much rather have a

1003
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 4: long ago. I'm at an advantage now now at this point.

1004
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 4: So I mean different weapons and different shooting styles, they

1005
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 4: all have their strengths and weaknesses.

1006
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all right, I want I want to do

1007
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: one last one in this scenario, one last possible difference.

1008
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: So instead of you stepping on a twig and spooking him,

1009
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: you get all the way to twenty and he stays betted.

1010
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 2: We're down at this point, though it's taken more time. Now,

1011
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: we're down to the last fifteen minutes a day light

1012
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: and they're still betted. For whatever reason, they have not

1013
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: gotten back up to move around for the evening. They're

1014
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: betted down and you can see his vitals, but it's

1015
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: not perfectly clear, like there's still some grass kind of

1016
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: around it. Do you take the betted shot or do

1017
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 2: you roll the dice and hope he stands up the

1018
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 2: next ten to twelve minutes, or do you do something

1019
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: to make him get up at this point?

1020
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, what I would what I would do there with

1021
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 4: where I'm at now is keep in mind we're filming

1022
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 4: all this, so I would ideally I would have whoever's

1023
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 4: filming me be in a position where they can not

1024
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 4: move and film everything that's about to happen.

1025
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 3: And then I would try to get to fifteen.

1026
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 4: Very as fast as I can, but it's slow enough

1027
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 4: not to get detected. And then at that point I

1028
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 4: would saddle up. And this is going to sound radical,

1029
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 4: but I would move as quickly as I can, but

1030
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 4: still trying to not get detected, if that kind of

1031
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 4: makes sense.

1032
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 2: So when you say you're trying to move as quickly

1033
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 2: as you can, you were at twenty, and so you're

1034
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: gonna just like I want to get to fifteen, you're

1035
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 2: gonna walk fifth.

1036
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,439
Speaker 4: I want to get to fifteen without being detected. Once

1037
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 4: I get to fifteen, now I'm gonna be ready to shoot,

1038
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna, you know, if it's tall enough grass,

1039
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 4: I'm still going to be staying fairly low, but I'm

1040
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 4: not cross anymore. I'm ready to shoot. And the second

1041
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 4: he gets me now, I want him to get me

1042
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 4: by sights or or or hearing. I don't want him

1043
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 4: to get me by smell. That's why I got to

1044
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 4: move quick, because now I've hit fifteen, and you want

1045
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 4: him standing up or in motion of standing up, it's

1046
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 4: it's uh and and then in one one fast motion

1047
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 4: it uh.

1048
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: It's like throwing a football.

1049
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 4: Huh yeah, yeah yeah. And I've I've.

1050
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 3: Worked on archery a lot to be.

1051
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 4: Able to to to be confident enough to do that

1052
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 4: not you know, I've ran the clock speeds and and

1053
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 4: all of that, you know, on how fast white tails

1054
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 4: react and that, and and that gave me the confidence

1055
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 4: to implement that that one and it worked really well.

1056
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm giving a lot away there. But that's

1057
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 4: there's a great danger, like I said earlier, of getting

1058
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,439
Speaker 4: inside of twenty and then hanging out there for an hour,

1059
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 4: especially when you don't have much wins. I mean, even

1060
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 4: if you got fifteen mile an hour, pretty good wins.

1061
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 4: One kick of that wind, when you get that tight,

1062
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 4: you don't have much mark.

1063
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 3: When you're hanging out.

1064
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 4: At forty to fifty, you know, you get a kick

1065
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 4: of the wind. You got a quite a bit of

1066
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 4: distance to get that straight for that wind to get

1067
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 4: straight and back up. But when you get that tight

1068
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 4: on them, you don't have much cushion, so you don't

1069
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 4: have much time. And so time is is that's it's

1070
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 4: a head scratch of what I just explained there.

1071
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's impressive though too that you can pull

1072
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 2: it off. Not an easy thing to do.

1073
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 3: No, No, it's it's it's not.

1074
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 4: And I've I've learned a lot in a lot of

1075
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 4: ancient archery stuff that that makes it seem impossible or

1076
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 4: we how do I explain this to us? That sounds crazy,

1077
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 4: But to actually do it, you know, trained off a

1078
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 4: lot of this stuff, it's once I get to fifteen,

1079
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 4: I feel like it's it's not hard now, but.

1080
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 3: It's required a lot of a lot of.

1081
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 2: What is the what is the most important skill set

1082
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 2: or the very most important variable to really focus on

1083
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 2: when trying to close in you know, to fifteen yards,

1084
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 2: that last fifth let's say, from thirty yards to fifteen

1085
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 2: I think a lot of guys maybe could maybe could

1086
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 2: get to thirty yards on a deer and they would

1087
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 2: feel like, man, I'm in his wheelhouse and taking that shop.

1088
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 2: But that last fifteen yards or the last five from

1089
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 2: twenty to five, like from twenty to fifteen like super

1090
01:01:55,240 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 2: super tight. What's like the ninja next level thing that

1091
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 2: someone can do to be able to close that extra

1092
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 2: distance if they're trying to do something like this, or

1093
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 2: if they're just you know, trying to get better at

1094
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 2: getting from forty to twenty whatever it is, what is

1095
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 2: you know, what have you picked up that's allowed you

1096
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 2: to get really good at closing those last few yards

1097
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 2: the final ten.

1098
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 4: Gosh, every situation so different. The last two I shot,

1099
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 4: I shot on my feet standing up.

1100
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 2: You know.

1101
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 4: I was kind of half cocked on the one I

1102
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 4: just explained. The other one I was fully standing up.

1103
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 4: And both of those one was at four yards, one

1104
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 4: was at four and a half yards, So.

1105
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 3: I had just tall.

1106
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 4: Enough grass to pull off the one that I just explained,

1107
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 4: And I had the guy that was filming Ethan at

1108
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 4: fifteen with the camera and we had they were buried

1109
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 4: in the grass enough, and I knew from experience we

1110
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 4: had probably less in thirty seconds, and he was going

1111
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 4: to have us by wind, and that was going to

1112
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 4: be very difficult because I don't know when that's exactly

1113
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 4: gonna happen. So that's why I made the decision I

1114
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 4: did in that moment, and I felt kind of actually

1115
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 4: I had already premeditated for the right situation, like this

1116
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 4: is this is where I'm going to go with it.

1117
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 4: And trained quite a bit in archery to do it.

1118
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 4: But when I was in that stock, I felt a

1119
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 4: little bit it behind because I didn't actually think about

1120
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 4: doing that. And then all of a sudden it hit me.

1121
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 4: I was like, what am I doing? This is what

1122
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 4: I've trained, and I just I said, get ready, it's

1123
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 4: happening right now, and it all came together and I

1124
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 4: never had to. You know, now, in the old days,

1125
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 4: I maybe would have been on my hands and knees

1126
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 4: a little bit longer crawling in well, you make more

1127
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:55,439
Speaker 4: noise doing that, you stay more concealed. But I wasn't

1128
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 4: worried too much about concealment anymore, so I could so

1129
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 4: that that's because I'm I got fast enough.

1130
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 3: Shooting the bow that the concealment isn't just needed anymore.

1131
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 4: So now I can That allows me to keep my

1132
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 4: feet on the ground not worry so much about Once

1133
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 4: I'm that tight, I don't have to worry so much

1134
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 4: about them seeing me because that I'm gonna have a

1135
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 4: half a second because they're gonna what is that? And

1136
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 4: so the shot can happen fast enough that now I

1137
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 4: can be quieter because I don't have to be a

1138
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,439
Speaker 4: worry about concealment as much once I get that tight,

1139
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 4: if that kind of makes sense. So that allowed me

1140
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 4: to actually, in that particular case, get get closer. Now,

1141
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 4: if they weren't buried in the tall enough grass, they

1142
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 4: would have me by visuals. I'd be on my hands

1143
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 4: and knees. So it's everyone's a different chess match, you know.

1144
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 4: Every every situation is a different a different deal, you know.

1145
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So let me put you on a different chess. Now.

1146
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to take you out of this awesome scenario

1147
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 2: where you can see stuff.

1148
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, taking out that scenario.

1149
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 4: By the way, I was just getting ready to get

1150
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 4: dumped off to do a two mile timber stock, and

1151
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 4: this buck he pushed a dough right out into the

1152
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 4: crp on the edge of that timber out of nowhere.

1153
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 4: They were going to drop me off. We're four hundred

1154
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 4: yards fromhere. I was getting dropped off. I wanted to

1155
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 4: do a timber stock all day, and you know, so

1156
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 4: it was a beautifu one hundred and fifty inch public Land.

1157
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 5: Bok and I was like, I wanted to do with timbersuck,

1158
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 5: I gotta do it, you know, I can't not well,

1159
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 5: I'm gonna let you do a timber stock now though,

1160
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 5: because the next scenario I wanted to walk you through,

1161
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 5: or have you walked me through, is a timber situation.

1162
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 2: Let's say that this coming season, you can't leave Wisconsin.

1163
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 2: You have to hunt Wisconsin, you have to hunt public,

1164
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 2: and it has to be timber, okay, and you're gonna

1165
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: We're on a particular day here, a week here, and

1166
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 2: we've got kind of ten twelve mile in hour winds,

1167
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 2: so there's a little bit of wind, otherwise dry, and

1168
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 2: it is November one. Walk me through how you would

1169
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 2: kill a deer, a decent buck on that kind of

1170
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 2: day in Wisconsin.

1171
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 4: What I'm going to probably do there's a different scenario

1172
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 4: than what we started out with earlier. Talking by this point,

1173
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 4: I'm going to probably already have some different pieces, and

1174
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 4: I'm probably not going to spend much time in the

1175
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 4: vehicle starting out, you know, in that particular setting of

1176
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 4: a lot of woods, and you know, unless it's like

1177
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 4: day one and I'm in a whole new region, you know,

1178
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 4: then i might do that whole driving around and whatnot.

1179
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 4: I'm probably going to focus. I would probably shift from

1180
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 4: what we did what was working for us quite a

1181
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 4: while back, which was a lot of the MFL grounds

1182
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 4: and stuff like that that a lot of people didn't

1183
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 4: know about and know there wasn't maps for and stuff,

1184
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,919
Speaker 4: and you know, a lot of those parcels were pretty small,

1185
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 4: but they didn't get a lot of pressure. Now they've

1186
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 4: gotten a lot of pressure, and it doesn't take much

1187
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 4: pressure to blow out an eighty or one sixty. So

1188
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 4: I'm probably going to go back to a lot of

1189
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 4: the actual big public acreage stuff, you know, more along

1190
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 4: those lines and put boots on the ground, and I'm

1191
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 4: probably gonna cover ground in the timber. And if I

1192
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 4: got ten to twelve dollar hour winds, well there's gonna

1193
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 4: be enough leaf blowing and branch movement with that that

1194
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 4: I can move at a faster rate in the timber.

1195
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 4: And I'm going to cover ground through the timber and

1196
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 4: try to get a visual on a big one or

1197
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 4: a dough or a pocketed doze, and you know, things

1198
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 4: kind of shift in there. You find out a little

1199
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 4: pocketed dose. It's November first, you know, I come across that.

1200
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 4: I might try to get a little bit in the

1201
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,439
Speaker 4: right situation to catch a buck coming in and hang

1202
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 4: out there for a couple hours and try to catch

1203
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 4: a buck cruising in. So I'm still in the timber

1204
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 4: like that. I'm still going for visual that you know

1205
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 4: we did that I didn't. I only got to hunt

1206
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 4: a few days this year. I filmed some, but but

1207
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 4: I haven't done the timber that much in recent years.

1208
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 4: So I'm like I got into the timber and and

1209
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 4: we were fortunate on that one.

1210
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 3: We're very lucky.

1211
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 4: I just caught just the slightest glint of movement and

1212
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 4: it was pretty thick stuff and we were only I

1213
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 4: don't know, we probably left the vehicle twenty minutes before that,

1214
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 4: that's it. And TC was filming me, and I was

1215
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 4: sure I just caught something, just like a just like

1216
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 4: a deer.

1217
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 3: I'm sure I seen something. What is that?

1218
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 4: Sarah? And we just put on the brakes. We hardly

1219
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 4: had any wind, and it was pretty thick stuff. I

1220
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 4: just had a pocket that I could see across a

1221
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 4: little bit of an open There was trees and stuff,

1222
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 4: but that's where I caught it, probably seventy yards out,

1223
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 4: but it was pretty seatory type stuff around there, and

1224
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 4: I thought it was a deer. I thought I saw

1225
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 4: a tailwig and I think it was about five minutes.

1226
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 4: We we just didn't move our location, and I kept

1227
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 4: eyes on and kept glassing in there and I couldn't

1228
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, boom, there's one hundred

1229
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 4: and sixty inch nine pointer with a with a dough

1230
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 4: and I was reading it and I'm like, I think

1231
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 4: she's just coming in, you know, And I was like,

1232
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 4: and they looped in and there was one pocket there

1233
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 4: where it was he stopped broadside at fifty and it

1234
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 4: would have been beautiful for a compound. But so, I mean,

1235
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 4: we were going in one hundred percent. And that's how

1236
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 4: I would do it with timber too, is I'm going

1237
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 4: in one hundred percent to try to get a visual

1238
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 4: in the timber and then go from there.

1239
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 2: You know, how fast are you moving when you're working

1240
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 2: your way through, you know, with a little bit of wind,

1241
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 2: so you've got some amount of sound cover. You know

1242
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 2: when you say covering distance and covering ground, is that

1243
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 2: like you're stopping and glassing every twenty yards or use

1244
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:25,799
Speaker 2: cruising or what.

1245
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 4: A lot of times in the timber. A lot of

1246
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 4: times in the timber, I'm going off my eyes for

1247
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 4: picking them up. I don't That's how I pick most

1248
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 4: of them up. Occasionally I do it with with binoculars,

1249
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 4: but usually I'm picking something up by eyesight. I keep

1250
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 4: my eyes going while I'm moving. We actually moved in

1251
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 4: fairly aggressively into we started to slow roll it a

1252
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 4: little bit when we got close to where I picked

1253
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 4: up that visual.

1254
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 3: I don't know how fast we were going. We weren't

1255
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 3: stop in every.

1256
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 4: I don't think we were really stopping hardly at all, really,

1257
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 4: but we weren't moving at We were quietly moving at

1258
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 4: a slow pace, steadily but quietly and fairly slowly. But

1259
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 4: we weren't really doing too much stopping in that particular case. Now,

1260
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 4: that was some fairly heavy brushy with a lot of

1261
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 4: twisting and turning of branches, so it totally disrupts. You know,

1262
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 4: if you're in the a lot of the wooded stuff,

1263
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 4: like in Wisconsin, you got fairly not always, but you

1264
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 4: got fairly vertical. Like let's say you're in the hills

1265
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 4: of Wisconsin bluff country or whatever. A lot of times

1266
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 4: that you don't get a lot of that brushy stuff.

1267
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 4: Well I shouldn't say you don't. You can.

1268
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 3: You get clear cuts and all kinds of stuff.

1269
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 4: But where a lot of times in that timbour, you

1270
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 4: can see one hundred and fifty two hundred yards. Sometimes, well,

1271
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 4: I'm going to be moving at a pretty good clip

1272
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 4: through there because I can see them long before they

1273
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 4: can hear me, and a decent, pretty good chance of

1274
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 4: if I'm playing the wind right on where I think

1275
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 4: they maybe would be. I've got that somewhat to my advantage,

1276
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 4: so I'm not as risk, so there's a better chance

1277
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 4: I'm going to pick them up, then they're gonna pick

1278
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 4: me up. Therefore I can move and cover ground quicker.

1279
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 4: Now you get into that hairrier, thicker stuff. You got

1280
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 4: to put on the brakes more. So, it's.

1281
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 3: The game.

1282
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 4: The ground game in the timber is very it's so

1283
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 4: variable of you know, there's not one pace I move

1284
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,600
Speaker 4: at all the time. There's would you.

1285
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 2: Would you give a shot even if you had no

1286
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 2: wind and dry so it's like potato chip leaves and

1287
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 2: no wind, would you still try something like that? If

1288
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 2: that was like you know, a hunt this or I

1289
01:12:59,160 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 2: don't hunt at all?

1290
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,719
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, And when it gets that quiet, you can

1291
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 4: there's you have the element of hearing as well, so

1292
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 4: you can slow down your pace really slow and hear them,

1293
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 4: but if you're moving out of slow enough face and

1294
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,440
Speaker 4: we A perfect example of that would be in twenty

1295
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 4: ten in the Regroup video. We went into a piece

1296
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 4: of public in the dark that we had never laid

1297
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 4: eyes on before, so we didn't even know what we

1298
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 4: were getting into. And it was a pretty quiet day

1299
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 4: and it was my first day of that hunt in

1300
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 4: that area. We drove through the night to get there,

1301
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 4: never seen this ground in daylight, and I almost got it.

1302
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 4: It was a one hundred and sixty sixty five inch buck.

1303
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 4: I should have had them, but I didn't. But it

1304
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 4: was a pretty calm, calm day, I mean, Chrispy Frost

1305
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 4: like no win. And then the hunt kind of went

1306
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 4: on for a couple of days. I should have got

1307
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 4: another big one.

1308
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 3: The next day.

1309
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 4: I was having a rough hunt. We left, went to

1310
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 4: Kansas for three and a half days. That could have

1311
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 4: went better too, and then we had something come up

1312
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 4: and had to head back to Wisconsin and we decided

1313
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 4: to hit for the morning. I or again where this

1314
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 4: hunt took place, and again we didn't have I mean,

1315
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 4: it was like no wind and we just we just

1316
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 4: went in there using our ears a lot, moving real slow,

1317
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 4: and I shot one hundred and forty some inch or

1318
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 4: low forty eight pointer, and we we played, you know,

1319
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 4: we could hear them up there, and we kind of

1320
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 4: pushed it. We kind of pushed getting closer, and then

1321
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 4: we put the brakes on and him and a couple

1322
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 4: of small bucks ended up falling right into our lot

1323
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 4: and it worked out perfect. I think he was twenty

1324
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 4: twenty four. Actually that's the first buck we ever shot

1325
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 4: facing with the head on shot, so it was an accident,

1326
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 4: but it worked out. So you can do it on

1327
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 4: the ground in those scenarios of what you just describe

1328
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 4: those super still frosty, Well, you got your ears, and

1329
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 4: that can be a huge advantage. You know, it's it's.

1330
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 3: More suited to.

1331
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 4: Not very well for you sneaking in on them, but

1332
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 4: in terms of you hearing them coming. And you got

1333
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 4: some advantages in that that way in department too. But

1334
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 4: in those particular cases though, where it's real quiet like that, though,

1335
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 4: you want to pick your pathway of how you're moving

1336
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 4: through the timber in a way where they're probably going

1337
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 4: to land up in your lap or land in your

1338
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 4: lap on their own. Like if I'm going in and

1339
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 4: I got wind of what you describe earlier ten twelve,

1340
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 4: fifteen mile an hour in the timber, I'm not necessarily

1341
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 4: gonna be on where I think they're gonna be walking,

1342
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 4: and I might be a distance off trying to get

1343
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 4: a visual and then planing more for a stock approach.

1344
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,639
Speaker 4: Whereas on those crispy mornings like that, you're not gonna

1345
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 4: get away with much either. So it's gonna you're gonna

1346
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 4: have the element to hear in them coming, but you're

1347
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,799
Speaker 4: gonna want to be closer to the court, the natural

1348
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 4: cord or of how they maybe be moving.

1349
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 2: Yep, So do you pleat do you pre plan out

1350
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 2: a route like, Hey, I'm gonna follow this edge, or

1351
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna walk this pinch point, or I'm gonna cruise

1352
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 2: along the downwind side of this dough betting area or

1353
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 2: something like that. On a day like that.

1354
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 4: And not so much from the area, I might glance

1355
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 4: at it and kind of like roughly like I think

1356
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 4: I'm gonna move through it like this, But once I

1357
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 4: get in there, I might totally change what my premeditated,

1358
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 4: loose plan is.

1359
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 3: So any of those.

1360
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 4: Things that I gather from looking at an areil, I

1361
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 4: try to put that into a loose planned, but it could.

1362
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 4: I'm not going to stick to what because I don't

1363
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 4: want to call an aeral not real. But it's not

1364
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 4: as real as me being there in person and seeing

1365
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 4: every aspect of what I'm dealing with, So I want

1366
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 4: to I don't want to get too fixated.

1367
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 3: On what's not real.

1368
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 4: The aerial is real, but it doesn't give you as

1369
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 4: much as being there on site in person. So I

1370
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 4: want to keep that plan loose that I might be

1371
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 4: with if that makes sense.

1372
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense, Okay, I've got one last scenario

1373
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 2: and then I want to run you through like a

1374
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 2: set of rapid fire quick questions. Okay, so the final,

1375
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 2: this last scenario. Let's imagine you've been on this hunt.

1376
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 2: You're gonna we're gonna put you back in not necessarily Wisconsin,

1377
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 2: but we'll go kind of middle country, somewhere mixed AG,

1378
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 2: mixed whatever, and really the specifically the train don't matter.

1379
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 2: This one. You spot a good buck. He is on

1380
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 2: ground that you're not sure. Let me rephrase this. You

1381
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 2: are on a buck. He moves into ground that on

1382
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 2: your app shows public. So you say, ah, man, big

1383
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 2: giant shure buck on on X or whatever tool you're using,

1384
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 2: you see like, yep, he just crossed over into public.

1385
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 2: Game on, you cruise down the road where there's a spot,

1386
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 2: like there's a ditch along the road, but finally there's

1387
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 2: a spot you can pull off, and when you get

1388
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 2: to the spot, you can pull off onto the public

1389
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 2: to park. There's a bunch of no trespassing signs private

1390
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 2: property no trespassing signs there. So your map shows public

1391
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 2: on the ground though there's no trespassing private property signs,

1392
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 2: and your big buck is now cruising across this piece

1393
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 2: of potentially public land.

1394
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 4: What do you do, Well, you gotta confirm it. You know,

1395
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 4: I went through some stuff in twenty sixteen. Two scenarios.

1396
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 4: Never had an issue over the years, but I ran

1397
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 4: into two scenarios and I started to get very confident,

1398
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 4: and I should have double checked a little bit deeper.

1399
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 4: And there's some more to it. But and that information

1400
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 4: has gotten more and more concrete at the county level,

1401
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 4: which then you know, whether it's on X or any

1402
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 4: of the other map providers out there, then they get

1403
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,799
Speaker 4: more concrete information, but they're getting it from the county.

1404
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,440
Speaker 4: So the counties have gotten better.

1405
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 3: About that.

1406
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 4: So you got to In our latest video on Cuffed,

1407
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 4: we had a scenario that Matt was their filming and

1408
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:45,799
Speaker 4: I had hunted this area before and it was broken

1409
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 4: up piece of public, piece of public over here, and

1410
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 4: this was always private in the past, and.

1411
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 3: So I'm banking on that.

1412
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 4: I haven't actually pulled up that side of the road

1413
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 4: yet we got the visual, and I hadn't been up

1414
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 4: the other side of the road yet.

1415
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 3: Well, we come around and.

1416
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 4: I had seen a sign from way out, like a

1417
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 4: mile out, but I didn't even register. Yeah, I just

1418
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 4: assumed it was a private because I had always been private. Well,

1419
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 4: then there was a bunch of walk in hunting.

1420
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 2: Signs I remember seeing this. Now, Yeah, there.

1421
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 4: Was a bunch of walk in hunting signs in which

1422
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 4: it had always been private. So it threw us for

1423
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 4: a loop because now I'm like, well, this big buck

1424
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 4: that was on private, then jumped on public, then got

1425
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 4: on private. But then as the direction he was going,

1426
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 4: there's another piece of public. So I was sure he

1427
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 4: was going to end up on that other piece of

1428
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 4: public and zip right through that private. Well, it turned

1429
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 4: out the whole thing had changed over to public over there,

1430
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 4: according to the signs. Well, then I pull up the

1431
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 4: map app from the state. This isn't from on X,

1432
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 4: this is direct leave from Kansas. It doesn't show it

1433
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 4: as public, and neither does the book I had, the

1434
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 4: printed book for that year doesn't show it as public.

1435
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 4: So now it's like, well, I got signs, it's always

1436
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 4: been private in the past.

1437
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 3: What do you do?

1438
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 4: I've got And in that particular case, there was two

1439
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 4: big bucks. One that was on what now appears to

1440
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 4: be public, but just off of what for surely is public.

1441
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 3: The other one had disappeared on.

1442
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 4: What is potentially public according to the signs, but had

1443
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 4: always been private. So now I'm in like this dilemma

1444
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,640
Speaker 4: of like, well, we got to find out, but this

1445
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 4: could be awesome, but it would have been nice to

1446
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 4: know that earlier. And you know, we eventually did figure

1447
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 4: it out and it had all changed over to walk it,

1448
01:21:59,439 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 4: you know.

1449
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 2: So what's the best way really quick? I just I

1450
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 2: asked this because I think a lot of people are

1451
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,759
Speaker 2: finding themselves in these scenarios now right where we're hunting

1452
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 2: new places and we live and die off of our phones.

1453
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 2: What's been the best way you've found to quickly confirm

1454
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 2: like yes or no on this being public or not?

1455
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 2: Who do you call?

1456
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 3: Well, in this particular case.

1457
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,600
Speaker 4: With the Kansas walk in, and I went through this

1458
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 4: the season after twenty sixteen, I was in Kansas again

1459
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 4: and I was filming a couple of old guys, older guys,

1460
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 4: and we pieces marked as public. It's on the book,

1461
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 4: it's on the app from the State walk in. We

1462
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:46,719
Speaker 4: go in there, it's opening day. See two big bucks,

1463
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 4: part of the public. It continued on that way. There

1464
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 4: was no fence line. As we come around this corner,

1465
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 4: the public land signs you'd never guess it, showing it

1466
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 4: by signage and by the app and by the mapp

1467
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 4: from the state it's public. So we watched this big

1468
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:12,759
Speaker 4: buck and he looked like he was probably a booner.

1469
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 4: And then there was one hundred and forty in sure

1470
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 4: with him. They dipped into this.

1471
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 3: This dry draw excuse.

1472
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 4: Me, and we had dropped off one of the old

1473
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 4: guys's son on the other end of the piece, and

1474
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,679
Speaker 4: he was kind of slow making his way through from

1475
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 4: this direction, and we're going to meet up with him

1476
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:36,600
Speaker 4: and then maybe hit this part that continued, So we

1477
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 4: went down. They eventually made their way. We went down

1478
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 4: to meet him and as we're and we're all excited,

1479
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 4: like we got two big Bucks. They're in a draw.

1480
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 4: It's a thin draw. I think we can good chance

1481
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 4: we can get both bucks. One of them's a tank.

1482
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 4: And there was a big pond between us and the Bucks,

1483
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 4: and so we needed to kind of go around it. Well,

1484
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 4: as we went around it, I see this red sign

1485
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 4: and I'm filming, and I'm like, I know what the

1486
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 4: red sign usually means, no longer in walking, but I

1487
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 4: wanted the reaction from the old guys to catch so

1488
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 4: I didn't say anything. You know, they were gonna see

1489
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 4: it in three seconds. So but I'm like, in my head,

1490
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 4: I'm like, what is going on? If that pond hadn't

1491
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 4: been there, we would have vlined right to those big

1492
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 4: Bucks and shot them. And this had come up earlier

1493
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 4: in the bostseason, probably an hour and a half away.

1494
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 4: I was with Matt on that hunt. A piece that

1495
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 4: had always been public was marked as public walking on

1496
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 4: the map from the state and on their app. I

1497
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 4: have their app on my phone. It come out a

1498
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 4: week before right during the run, got pulled out a

1499
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 4: walk in. They didn't pull the signs down on one road.

1500
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 4: I sat there for three hours. It was a morning

1501
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 4: that I decided I can see a long ways. I'm

1502
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 4: gonna hang out here for three hours and just watch

1503
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 4: from the vehicle and see if a buck pops up

1504
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 4: out any of these draws, public signs, public on the map,

1505
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 4: public in the book, all from the state. Eventually I

1506
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 4: caught one that looked like it could be a shooter

1507
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 4: way over by the other road.

1508
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,679
Speaker 3: We drive around the other road a red sign.

1509
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 4: I'm like, what so in that particular case, I eventually

1510
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 4: I first tracked down the game warden. He didn't know

1511
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 4: much about it, which you know, it's not his department

1512
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 4: to necessarily know, but he got me in contact. That

1513
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 4: was a Saturday. I was actually quite impressed. But he

1514
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 4: ended up getting me in contact with the head of

1515
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 4: the walk in program at the state. And I wasn't

1516
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 4: too thrilled because I started to put some things together

1517
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 4: and there was three parcels of property, one of which

1518
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 4: I was on two days before that. Now I pulled

1519
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 4: up to and there's a red sign there, and two

1520
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 4: days ago there wasn't. So I'm not in a real

1521
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:11,839
Speaker 4: good state coming out of what happened in twenty sixteen.

1522
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 4: And all the information's coming from the state and he

1523
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 4: clarified all three pieces. He said, Okay, the guys that

1524
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 4: put the signs out on this one, that's actually not right.

1525
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 4: That's actually still public. And I'm like okay, and he's like, yeah,

1526
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,799
Speaker 4: the other piece that came out here over the last week,

1527
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 4: but they probably didn't get the signs up on the

1528
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 4: other road. And I'm like, that's that's neat. So if

1529
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 4: I'd walked in from that other road, technically i'd have

1530
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 4: been according to your maps and the signs, I would

1531
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 4: have been legal. But it's.

1532
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 3: If it's pulled out, it's pulled out, you know.

1533
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, But how can anyone expect folks to know that

1534
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:58,719
Speaker 2: in the situation like that, That's crazy.

1535
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 4: Well, and I was very frustrated because back in Wisconsin,

1536
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 4: when I used to hunt all them MFL grounds and

1537
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 4: forest crop lands before they were ever mapped, I for

1538
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 4: several counties went through and made my own Google maps

1539
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 4: with the lines of the parcel, so I had it

1540
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 4: right on my phone before the maps had come out.

1541
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 4: For all these counties. I'd go in and plot the coordinates,

1542
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 4: is what I'd do. So I had that access. So

1543
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 4: when it comes to in this case, Kansas there, I

1544
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 4: would have their Google Earth created maps of their walk

1545
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 4: in on my phone, and I know how quick and

1546
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 4: easy because once I got that those maps created on

1547
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 4: my end for Wisconsin, it was really easy the next

1548
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 4: year to just go through and confirm if any came

1549
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 4: out at the end of the year, and then Uptown

1550
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 4: came out.

1551
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 3: It's an eyeball on that layer.

1552
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 4: You turn it off, update your map, and boom that

1553
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 4: parcel's no longer in right, And so I kind of

1554
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 4: was like, well, I cannot stand the book being printed.

1555
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 3: You know, I was like two things.

1556
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 4: I think once it goes into walking, you got to

1557
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 4: you know, guys are coming from non resident spending five

1558
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 4: hundred dollars. They're expecting your book to be accurate. So

1559
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 4: if you're pulling out Walkin's partially through the season at

1560
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 4: any moment's glass and you've got a printed book here

1561
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 4: that says it's public, it creates a lot of confusion.

1562
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 4: And I'm like, so I think that maybe once it's

1563
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 4: entered into walking, it can't come out till the first

1564
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 4: of the year.

1565
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 3: It would maybe be a good policy.

1566
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 4: And then if we can't do that, maybe at least

1567
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 4: update the maybe at least update the Google earth Maps,

1568
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 4: because that's instant, you know. I mean that takes five

1569
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 4: seconds to I shouldn't say five, but thirty seconds to

1570
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 4: go in there and you save the new kl kml

1571
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 4: or kmz file and boom. At least guys using not

1572
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,520
Speaker 4: now have accurate So I've ran into a few scenarios

1573
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 4: of that. Now. I had those two and no trouble

1574
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 4: came about of those. They were caught in time and

1575
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 4: he confirmed the piece that I had been on two

1576
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 4: days or three days before that is I was still

1577
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 4: good then, but you know it, it could have been

1578
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 4: really bad, especially in the case that them two older

1579
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 4: guys with them two big bucks in that draw that

1580
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 4: pond hadn't been there, we'd have went right in there

1581
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 4: and probably I mean it was set up pretty well

1582
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:28,839
Speaker 4: to get to get one or two.

1583
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 3: Out of there, and then it's like what you know,

1584
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:32,759
Speaker 3: So I mean.

1585
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 4: That one with matt in in uncuffed, it was you know,

1586
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:43,440
Speaker 4: you know, they didn't change anything from from those situations

1587
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 4: that happened years ago where I contacted them, Like they

1588
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 4: can still pull them walk ins out at any point

1589
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 4: in time. And and you can't trust their Google earth Maps,

1590
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 4: and you can't trust their printed maps because they they

1591
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 4: I don't have that, they don't have it implemented on

1592
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 4: to like the first of the year. See, like in Wisconsin,

1593
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 4: it wouldn't matter if it changed ownership or not. You're

1594
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 4: in contract, and you know, with those programs, and so

1595
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 4: they they didn't have an option to till the first

1596
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 4: of the year. They couldn't be so even if a

1597
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 4: new owner came in and bought that piece, if they

1598
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 4: were part of that program, they had to wait till

1599
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 4: the end of the year to pull it out of

1600
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 4: that program. And so that kept it pretty clean on

1601
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 4: that front. So it can get messy out you know.

1602
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 4: I mean I've run into guys. I mean, even what

1603
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 4: happened in twenty sixteen therein you know, in Minnesota, that

1604
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 4: should have never happened. Yeah, I should have done somewhere digging,

1605
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 4: but that should have never never happened. There should have

1606
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 4: been signs put up that was marked wrong. And those

1607
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 4: people knew that, and so did the game word and

1608
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 4: that information got back to me. I had somebody that

1609
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 4: detected that in my video and they come up to

1610
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 4: me and they said I was bow hunting that, and

1611
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:06,600
Speaker 4: I thought the same thing. After a few times and

1612
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 4: they're like, something's not right, and they identified exactly what

1613
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 4: peace without me telling them and who the warden was,

1614
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 4: and that.

1615
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 3: Threw me for a loop because he told me.

1616
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,879
Speaker 4: He said, well, the warden told me that that's not public,

1617
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 4: and I was like, well, the wharton told us he

1618
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 4: didn't know anything about it, and that was after you

1619
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 4: So what was going on there? You know? You know that, yeah,

1620
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 4: there was I should have done some more thorough but

1621
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:39,760
Speaker 4: I mean that I looked at everything and that it

1622
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 4: was there was some responsibility on other parties there on

1623
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 4: that particular one too, that would have made.

1624
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,440
Speaker 3: It pretty.

1625
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 4: There was multiple instances of other people hunting that ground

1626
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 4: that thought it was public that year.

1627
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 2: Man, Well, I think it's all. It's all a good

1628
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 2: reminder to just double check, right, I mean, that's that's

1629
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 2: the thing is, like, it's with all these regulations, I

1630
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 2: find myself always trying to remind myself, like double check,

1631
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 2: see if anything change, make sure this actually matches up,

1632
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 2: make sure the map matches, the website matches, the whatever,

1633
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:32,560
Speaker 2: because there is unfortunately, there's a lot of things to

1634
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 2: keep track of, and in the end, if someone wants

1635
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 2: to give you a hard time, it's going to fall

1636
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 2: on you. So that's a good.

1637
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's one thing. You know.

1638
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 4: It's written in a way where it's your responsibility. So

1639
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:50,719
Speaker 4: even if the signs are up that show at public

1640
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:54,679
Speaker 4: even if you have the state maps, uh, it's still

1641
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 4: your responsibility the way the law is written, which is

1642
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:00,560
Speaker 4: very frustrating if you end up in one of those situations,

1643
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 4: you know. So we we had that situation. Nothing really

1644
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:08,600
Speaker 4: came about of it, but it would have been a

1645
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 4: really bad deal on the ride and where the refuge

1646
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:14,719
Speaker 4: wasn't marked as refuge. It was marked as public hunting

1647
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 4: from Iowa DNR map that we had, and they didn't

1648
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 4: have signs up marking it.

1649
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 3: We went in by boat.

1650
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 4: We went in by boat, had never hunted there before,

1651
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 4: but oh, all this public acres, We'll go in by boat.

1652
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 3: Spot one hundred and forty five inch.

1653
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 4: We were having a pretty tough hunt already, and that's

1654
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 4: why we were cruising. We were an hour and a

1655
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 4: half two hours from where we normally are, and there

1656
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,719
Speaker 4: was a couple of questions earlier that day on pieces

1657
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 4: that we called in another county award to get clarity on,

1658
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 4: and in that particular case, we're boom parked, spotted this

1659
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 4: big buck parked the boat on the beach, and we're

1660
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 4: going up the beach and we're getting pretty close to

1661
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,839
Speaker 4: where we're in kill zone, Like we're I think sixty

1662
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 4: seventy yards out from this buck in the weeds. Turn

1663
01:33:58,400 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 4: back and look, and there's a guy and a dog

1664
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 4: over by our boat, and he's walking towards us, and

1665
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 4: we kind of realize, we're like, we need to get

1666
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 4: him stopped or we're gonna blow this stock. So chance

1667
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:13,599
Speaker 4: he goes, you know, sneaking back, and I go with

1668
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:16,880
Speaker 4: him to film this, you know, like, hey, we're on

1669
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 4: a buck. Turns out it's a gaateboard and we're on

1670
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:22,800
Speaker 4: a refuge. If he would have stopped, if you would

1671
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,680
Speaker 4: have stayed at the boat and not killmar away, we

1672
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 4: would have killed that buck right right in front of him,

1673
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 4: right in front of him, and never knew. And when

1674
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 4: I went down there, you know, of course, they make

1675
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:36,840
Speaker 4: up a lot of excuses of why it, you know,

1676
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:38,600
Speaker 4: and in my mind, I'm like, there's no excuse. A

1677
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 4: refuge is not refuge if it's not if it's not

1678
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 4: marked that way on a map and signs. I went

1679
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 4: down there and did a range fine, because they say, well,

1680
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 4: there's signs. The closest sign to the water's edge was

1681
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,639
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty seven yards up in the timber.

1682
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough.

1683
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 4: It's tough to have a refuge if you got marked

1684
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 4: on the map otherwise, you know. So, oh, you know,

1685
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 4: I mean, nothing serious came about of.

1686
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 2: That, but I was like, yeah, stressful.

1687
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:12,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, and I've heard stories of of

1688
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 4: you know, and I think overall things are getting getting better,

1689
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 4: you know. I a few years later, I h I

1690
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:22,840
Speaker 4: saw some changes on some some of the different apps

1691
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:25,559
Speaker 4: and things where it told me they're getting more accurate

1692
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 4: information from the county level and that and that's to

1693
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:30,400
Speaker 4: be expected that things get more and more refined.

1694
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I got to believe that now there's more

1695
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 2: and more people doing this kind of thing and looking

1696
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 2: into these kinds of things. I think probably the various

1697
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 2: government officials are finding these oversights and realizing, oh wow, yeah,

1698
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:44,560
Speaker 2: there are people actually wanting to come in here, and

1699
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 2: we don't have it properly signed or labeled. So so

1700
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 2: hopefully this stuff gets fixed. Hopefully, uh, hopefully things become

1701
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 2: a little bit more clear, because it can get very

1702
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 2: confusing out there.

1703
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it can't. And then every state's different, you know.

1704
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:01,839
Speaker 4: You know how it is in the West, where it's

1705
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 4: you're you're come across, there's fence lines and stuff all

1706
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 4: the time, and that doesn't mean that it's a property line.

1707
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 4: A lot of times that public continues, whereas like in

1708
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 4: the Midwest, you come across a fence line and almost

1709
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 4: always that's a property line, and so it can get

1710
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 4: it can get pretty you know. Well, you've got a

1711
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 4: lot of experience by this point, and a lot of

1712
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 4: these different states too, to have seen how things change

1713
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:27,560
Speaker 4: from state to state.

1714
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 2: And yep, you just gotta gotta stay up on it,

1715
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 2: do your best, right, all right, I'm gonna let you

1716
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:38,759
Speaker 2: go here, Jared, with final few rapid fire quick questions.

1717
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:41,799
Speaker 2: You're allowed just like a one word answer to the okay, okay,

1718
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 2: just first thought right off the bat, here we go.

1719
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 2: Does the moon matter to deer movement? Yes or no?

1720
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 4: Yes?

1721
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 2: Would you take a fifty yard shot at a white

1722
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:52,519
Speaker 2: tail with your bow? Yes or no?

1723
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 3: No, I shouldn't.

1724
01:36:58,479 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 2: I'll give you.

1725
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 4: A tiny done it before by log but with a

1726
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 4: compound all the Yeah, yeah, I did that all the time,

1727
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:06,839
Speaker 4: back in the early days, you know, and not shouldn't

1728
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 4: say all the time, but it's you know, I mean,

1729
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:10,599
Speaker 4: it's pretty easy with a compound, but.

1730
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 2: Possibly yeah, Okay, if you can only have one of

1731
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 2: these tools for the rest of your hunts, would it

1732
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 2: be a set of rattling antlers or a grunt too,

1733
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:24,560
Speaker 2: rattling antlers expandable or fixed blade broadheads?

1734
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:26,000
Speaker 4: I'm a fixed.

1735
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:29,719
Speaker 2: Should you stop a buck with some kind of sound

1736
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 2: before shooting? Yes? Or no? A moving buck?

1737
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:33,679
Speaker 4: I don't think.

1738
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 2: All right, this one of the it's relative.

1739
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 4: It's relative of the hunt, hunter to and experience and

1740
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 4: certain things.

1741
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, and you've got a very unique situation compared

1742
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 2: a lot of guys too, with how you're shooting and everything.

1743
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's the the animals react different when you

1744
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:55,040
Speaker 4: stop them compared to sometimes it's easier to gauge if

1745
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:58,720
Speaker 4: if the movement's very steady and there's no panic in

1746
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 4: the hunt in the arch, sure he can probably execute

1747
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 4: that shot much smoother by not stopping them with less

1748
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:08,759
Speaker 4: reaction from the animal.

1749
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:11,759
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of variables in there.

1750
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 4: You know, some some archers may be better to stop

1751
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 4: that year, but your reaction from the animal is going

1752
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 4: to be you know, so that that one's a tough

1753
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 4: one to really susy.

1754
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, this one you can you can riff

1755
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:29,599
Speaker 2: on a little bit. Imagine that I control hunting access

1756
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 2: across the country, hunting rights, like I can control whether

1757
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 2: or not you get a hunting license. Okay, and I'm

1758
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:37,400
Speaker 2: going to take your hunting license away for the rest

1759
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:40,679
Speaker 2: of your life unless you kill a mature buck this year.

1760
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:42,680
Speaker 2: You need to kill one mature buck this year, and

1761
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 2: if you don't, no more hunting the rest of your life. Okay.

1762
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 2: But here's the trick. You only have one day to

1763
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:52,880
Speaker 2: get this done, in one place to do it. So

1764
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:55,719
Speaker 2: I need you to pick the date on the calendar

1765
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 2: that you think you'd have your very best chance to

1766
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 2: kill a mature buck. And I need you to describe

1767
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:04,320
Speaker 2: for me the location that you would set yourself down on.

1768
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 2: Now you're a little bit different. A lot of guys

1769
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:09,040
Speaker 2: would pick like a tree stand in a certain kind

1770
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:10,800
Speaker 2: of zone. I know you're different, so I'll let you

1771
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 2: like you can. I'll pick the spot you want to

1772
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:15,800
Speaker 2: be dropped off at. You have to be on foot.

1773
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 2: You can describe to me what kind of spot you

1774
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 2: want to be dropped off at and what kind of

1775
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:23,720
Speaker 2: stuff's around you? All right, high stakes hunt, Give me

1776
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 2: the date and the situation to be dropped off at.

1777
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:30,719
Speaker 3: I can pick the location, right.

1778
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:33,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, you can whatever location you want, Okay.

1779
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:34,799
Speaker 3: I'd probably go.

1780
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:45,639
Speaker 4: November twenty second, and I'd go Iowa, and the terrain

1781
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 4: would be wooded with mixed with some CRP grass, you know,

1782
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 4: button up to kind of an intermix of both. That's

1783
01:39:58,640 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 4: that's what I would do.

1784
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:03,479
Speaker 2: And why why November twice second? That's later than a

1785
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 2: lot of guys pick, and and why mixed timber and

1786
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,760
Speaker 2: cover in CRP versus like a wide open thing that

1787
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:10,559
Speaker 2: we see so much?

1788
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 4: Okay, Well you said mature buck, right, yep? Okay, So

1789
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 4: in the early days, I maybe would have picked Kansas.

1790
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 4: But Kansas on the planes has gotten a lot more

1791
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 4: pressure and over the years, and so it can take

1792
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 4: several days to actually land a big buck visually a

1793
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 4: big mature buck on public in a good scenario to

1794
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 4: kill it. So not so much in the early days.

1795
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 4: And then you know, ten years ago, I probably would

1796
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:41,439
Speaker 4: have picked Kansas in this in this particular scenario. The

1797
01:40:41,479 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 4: reason I went late in Iowa is because I would

1798
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:50,439
Speaker 4: pick an area that has a lot of bucks and

1799
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 4: a lot of dose, and I could probably find a

1800
01:40:55,120 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 4: mature buck on that day around those dates within kind

1801
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 4: of what I laid out there, that's cruising or trying

1802
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:09,160
Speaker 4: to find another dough. There's enough good bucks in that

1803
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:13,639
Speaker 4: area and enough dose that some are probably still coming

1804
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 4: in and you know out and I would as far

1805
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 4: as like, we don't know what conditions we're going to

1806
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:22,920
Speaker 4: get to deal with, whether we're going to get a

1807
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:25,960
Speaker 4: lot of wind or not. So having timber as an

1808
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 4: option and grass as an option, I can work my eyes,

1809
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 4: I can get in the timber if I need to.

1810
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:35,760
Speaker 4: And that's kind of what I did with a little

1811
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 4: bit of time I got last fall. And I did

1812
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:42,760
Speaker 4: get on a shooter every day, so I didn't kill one,

1813
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 4: but I you know, I I also damn near had

1814
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy five inch typical in my lap too, so.

1815
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:56,800
Speaker 3: You know, I had a good few days getting out there.

1816
01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 4: But it was a situation much like I described, and

1817
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:05,680
Speaker 4: so that's that's why I went. I kind of digested

1818
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:10,120
Speaker 4: it after, like I wasn't quite expecting that, but I

1819
01:42:10,200 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 4: dissected all the different factors after I seen what I've

1820
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:17,839
Speaker 4: seen as to why that was really good for.

1821
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:21,840
Speaker 2: Me, So it makes sense. So yeah, all right, what

1822
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:24,360
Speaker 2: I would do? I like it. I like the plan.

1823
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:28,600
Speaker 2: I think it'll work. Hopefully you'll never find yourself in

1824
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 2: a situation like that where you only have one day

1825
01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:34,719
Speaker 2: to get it done and uh, such igh stakes. But uh,

1826
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 2: but tell me this last thing. What should folks be

1827
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 2: looking forward to from White Tail Adrenaline? Uh, in the

1828
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:43,800
Speaker 2: in the short term or in the long term. Anything

1829
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 2: you want folks to know about anything people should be

1830
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:48,720
Speaker 2: checking out right now as they listen to this. What

1831
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:49,479
Speaker 2: do you want people to know?

1832
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:54,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we're as far as the next film goes.

1833
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 4: It's very far along in production. It still has some

1834
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 4: time to go on it, but it to to really

1835
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:06,679
Speaker 4: make it what it needs to be that people really

1836
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:11,600
Speaker 4: like about our content, you know, it's it's gonna be

1837
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:18,840
Speaker 4: an incredible set, a lot of really good hunts and

1838
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:23,599
Speaker 4: really good bow hunts. And then moving forward, Yeah, it's

1839
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 4: it's a fairly large project. The next one. H moving

1840
01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:29,880
Speaker 4: forward after that, there won't be people won't see as

1841
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:32,920
Speaker 4: much gun, it'll be much more bow and even the

1842
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:35,080
Speaker 4: next one has quite a bit of you know, quite

1843
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 4: a bit higher ratio of bo i'd say, and some

1844
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:40,240
Speaker 4: I can't wait for the next one to come out, but.

1845
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 3: It's gonna be.

1846
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:46,479
Speaker 4: I I expect it to be the new, the new

1847
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:49,719
Speaker 4: you know, Defiance has been for a long time, probably

1848
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:53,280
Speaker 4: our overall top picked video, and a lot of people

1849
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 4: have really enjoyed the Uncuffed series. The next one coming out,

1850
01:43:57,200 --> 01:43:59,679
Speaker 4: the Hunts are gonna come. They came together so smooth

1851
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:01,959
Speaker 4: and such incredible hunts that.

1852
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 3: It maybe be too much if it came.

1853
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 4: Out too quick on top of Uncuffed, it maybe be

1854
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:08,800
Speaker 4: too much.

1855
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:12,519
Speaker 3: So I'm excited about it, you know.

1856
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:17,679
Speaker 4: And uh, I just want to thank everybody who hung

1857
01:44:17,720 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 4: in there for the production of Uncuffed. And it seems

1858
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:25,640
Speaker 4: like we got through that and and it seems like

1859
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:32,479
Speaker 4: people really enjoyed have enjoyed Uncuffed, and so uh some

1860
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 4: people are new to the company surprisingly buying DVD's. That's

1861
01:44:37,439 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 4: that's awesome, welcome and uh and those that have been

1862
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,639
Speaker 4: there for the long haul, I thank you for for

1863
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 4: hanging in there and and.

1864
01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:51,360
Speaker 2: Uh so and you've got more available on digital right, like,

1865
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 2: like that's becoming more of an option in the future.

1866
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 2: Is that correct, Yeah, it will be.

1867
01:44:55,800 --> 01:45:00,360
Speaker 4: Resurgence is on digital for available for purchasing. For those

1868
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:03,719
Speaker 4: that don't know how our business model and company works.

1869
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:06,600
Speaker 4: We don't take outside you know, sponsor. We don't do

1870
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 4: sponsors funded you know, by companies within the industry.

1871
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 3: There's a couple of companies.

1872
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:13,599
Speaker 4: I use a lot of optics, you know, and and

1873
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:15,760
Speaker 4: and and whatnot. But I don't do any exchange of

1874
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:21,200
Speaker 4: money for for any to to fund the productions. So

1875
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 4: people actually buy the content. What we try to do

1876
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:27,559
Speaker 4: is produce it to the best of our abilities, to

1877
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:31,280
Speaker 4: produce a really good product. The offsetter is it is

1878
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:35,640
Speaker 4: not free too, you know, uh for people, so it

1879
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:39,559
Speaker 4: is purchaseable and I do in time plan to have

1880
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 4: all of them available on digital.

1881
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:44,680
Speaker 3: But the vinyl.

1882
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:48,280
Speaker 4: Record discs look cool on the bookshelf, and uh so

1883
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:52,719
Speaker 4: thanks for everybody that's been buying them over the years.

1884
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:55,600
Speaker 3: And uh and for the.

1885
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:59,040
Speaker 4: People that really are like you, better not stop making DVDs.

1886
01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:02,280
Speaker 4: We don't have any plan to stop making DVDs for

1887
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:08,000
Speaker 4: a while, but yes, I hope to have Uncuffed available

1888
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,400
Speaker 4: on digital around the end of the year. Is where

1889
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:11,760
Speaker 4: it looks right now, So.

1890
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:15,880
Speaker 2: Cool man, keep up the good work, keep on grinding that.

1891
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:18,600
Speaker 2: I know it sure seems like a heck of an undertaking,

1892
01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 2: but we all have been enjoying your hunts over these

1893
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 2: many years. We've all learned a lot. You've been an innovator,

1894
01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:28,760
Speaker 2: someone who has really brought a lot of new things

1895
01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:30,640
Speaker 2: to light for folks, and I, for one, I'm very

1896
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:31,439
Speaker 2: appreciative of that.

1897
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:34,280
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you well. When you make a lot

1898
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:36,439
Speaker 4: of mistakes, That's one thing I've been doing some reflected

1899
01:46:36,439 --> 01:46:39,240
Speaker 4: because I'm working on in our story page on the website,

1900
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:40,720
Speaker 4: and so I've been posting up some of the old

1901
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:43,000
Speaker 4: photos and it's taken me down memory lane a little bit,

1902
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:45,280
Speaker 4: and I was like, you know, from the get go,

1903
01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:48,559
Speaker 4: we we made the decision we're going to show our

1904
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:50,520
Speaker 4: mistakes as they unfold.

1905
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:54,080
Speaker 3: And I think the caveat on the flip side.

1906
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:57,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a little hard to swallow sometimes, right, but

1907
01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:00,559
Speaker 4: you just over time, I mean, we actually accepted it

1908
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:03,599
Speaker 4: pretty well. But that refined us. You know, you're facing

1909
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:07,040
Speaker 4: the truth of what went wrong, and so you eventually

1910
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:10,120
Speaker 4: put some dirt in those holes or would you know,

1911
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:13,840
Speaker 4: some of them and other ones then you know come

1912
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:14,479
Speaker 4: to development.

1913
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:18,040
Speaker 2: But that's we are humans. Yeah, yeah, exactly, so that's

1914
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:18,439
Speaker 2: the truth.

1915
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:18,839
Speaker 4: Anyway.

1916
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:20,439
Speaker 3: Well, thanks a lot.

1917
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:23,679
Speaker 4: I really appreciate you having this has been fun and

1918
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:26,719
Speaker 4: hopefully people got something out of it.

1919
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 2: I know they did. Let's talk again soon, Jereck. If

1920
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:31,120
Speaker 2: you can add just a little bit of a wrinkle

1921
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:33,800
Speaker 2: to your usual strategy and see what you can learn.

1922
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:37,960
Speaker 2: So that'll say, appreciate you being here, Appreciate you being

1923
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:40,559
Speaker 2: a part of this community. Best of luck on your

1924
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:45,679
Speaker 2: upcoming hunts, and until next time, stay wired to Hunt.