1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: With the call of today's game on Fox Sports analysts 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Brock Heure joins us now and I think it's the 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: first time we've had you on our air because we 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: don't get a lot of Fox games and you're a 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: lot of times on college games. Brock, it's good to 6 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: see you. How are you. Yeah, I'm doing good, doing good. 7 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be fun. This is probably one of 8 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: the more college environments for US because the booth is 9 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: way up high. It's not as big and company and 10 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: cozy as a number of these newer stadiums. It'll be 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: a blast watch. I think gonna be a very competitive 12 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: game too. You are normally on college football, right, You've 13 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: been with Fox for about a year or so, but 14 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: they've moved you over to NFL coverage, and you know 15 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: the adjustment of that for you. This has gotta be 16 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: a little different prep. I would think week to week, well, 17 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: you do the college games, and we were chatting off 18 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: the air. This is much easier than the college game. 19 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: The b y u Utah game with forty two Polynesian 20 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: players and nine hundred vowels you don't necessarily find anymore 21 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: in the NFL, So the games are three hours or less, 22 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: right about ten possessions each sixty five plays. Frankly, you 23 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: know most of the players, and it's a huge advantage 24 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: for me a little a little bit like Matt Rule. 25 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: I was talking to him about this last week in 26 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: the Carolina game. I mean, I know most of these 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: guys through college, right. I know how to pronounce Daria 28 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: because I had him in Wisconsin two or three times, 29 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: or Calebon chased on uh, you know. So it's familiar names, 30 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: a lot less of them on my board, a lot 31 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: easier to enunciate and pronunciate and um and the coaches, 32 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: frankly to have been just terrific and transparent all the 33 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: way along. So it's been a blast. Brockward with Us 34 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: has the Call of the Game today on Fox Sports. 35 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: One of those names that you know how to pronounce 36 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: is Gardner Minshew, the second Jaguars quarterback. You've done him 37 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: for a while. You're out in Seattle, of course on 38 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: radio and then covering the college games on Saturday and 39 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: now NFL on Sunday, so you've known Gardner for a 40 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: little bit. This is his year to prove that he 41 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: can be the guy in the NFL. But it's funny 42 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: because he probably shouldn't be in this position to begin with. 43 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: He shouldn't even have played last year. Now he has 44 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: the opportunity. What have you made of his season so far? Yeah? 45 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: I talked to him a bunch on Friday when we 46 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: were out at the facility. First of all, he's two 47 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: and oh when I've done his games, so he was 48 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 1: excited about that and he knew that. Uh. Secondly, he's 49 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: a rental kug. He's not really from Wazoo. When you're 50 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: there seven months, you're not really People said, oh, you're 51 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: a husky, he's a cougar. I'm like, he's He basically 52 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: lived in a rental for seven months and made the 53 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: most of it in his eleven one season. Is absolutely 54 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: a character? Is you? And your audience knows having followed 55 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: in the last couple of years. You know, I said 56 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: to Gardener, I said, okay, when you're done playing and 57 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: we we know you want to coach, are you going 58 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: to install a air raid system? And you're said high 59 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: school or college or do you like this pro style stuff? 60 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: And he didn't even hesitate. He's like, are you kidding me? 61 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm going air raid. We're throwing the rock spread it everywhere, 62 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: playing in space and simplifying. So to me, that's that's 63 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: the conversation, is how much can he grow. We've seen 64 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers our crew twice this year, and frankly, it's unfair. 65 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: What he's doing to defense is he's taken him apart 66 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 1: pre snap, He's taken him apart at the snap he's 67 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: with his cadence, he's taken him apart post snap. In 68 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: this day and age with very little stadium noise and 69 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: everything else. I mean, it's just Russell Wilson. I watch 70 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: up close back home as well. It's the same thing. 71 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: And that's where Gardner, to me, is going to It's 72 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: not about his arm athleticism. I think he's a smart guy, 73 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: but can he commands like you've got to do to 74 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: be an elite guy at this level down in down out, 75 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: series in, series out, game in, game out. And you're right, 76 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: this is his prove it season, even with a lot 77 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: of young people around him, and and and not nearly 78 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: the defense they've had here in the past. That's what 79 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: he's got to prove to this organization, to decision makers. 80 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: Can he command the show at the line of scrimmage 81 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: consistently like the great guys do. And right now, that's 82 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: still I think to be fair work in progress. Yeah, 83 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: how long does that process take to figure it out? 84 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: We know how long he's going to have to figure 85 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: it out. Can he do it in that amount of time? 86 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: He has to show significant steps, you know, I remember 87 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll saying to me about Russell Wilson, it takes 88 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: four or five years for you to get your master's degree, 89 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: your true mastery of your system of what defenses are doing. 90 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: So he's not gonna have four year master's degree here 91 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: in year number two and what his eighteenth start. But 92 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: what you've got to see is that command grow over 93 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: the course of the season, right, I mean, he's he's 94 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: his decision making touchdown, the interceptions very good. His accuracy 95 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: to me is just fine. But when you watch Aaron, 96 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: when you watch Mahomes, when you watch Russell, when you 97 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: watch those guys at the very very top and you 98 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: see Gollie, how did they change that protection? How did 99 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: they change that play? How did they keep the defense 100 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: on guessing at all times? How how did they constantly 101 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: get to the very best play against anything thrown their way? 102 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: That's what the very very elite do at this level 103 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: now in this day and age. And as I said, 104 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: he's not going to get his master's degree, but he's 105 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: got to work towards it over the course of the season. 106 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: And that's frankly what I'm excited to watch today against 107 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: the Detroit team that does a bunch of junk at 108 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage but ultimately plays a bunch of 109 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: man behind it. Can he take advantage of it? Not 110 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: for a series, not for a quarter, not for a half, 111 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: can you do it for sixty minutes? Because this team 112 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: will need him to brock Heward with us from Fox Sports. 113 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: Balance has been the buzzword this week around t I A. 114 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: Bank Field, getting James Robinson more involved deeper into the game. 115 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: He had only thirteen carries last week and that laws 116 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: in Houston, and it feels like that might take some 117 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: of those things off Gardener's plate if they can balance 118 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: things out for Ja Gruden, no question, and that sets 119 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: up your movement where I think Gardener is very comfortable. 120 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: That's sets up more play action and you have to 121 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: be sitting there and to your point, a lot of 122 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: it is situationally. When you're behind, you've just frankly got 123 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: to throw it more, but to be dead last in 124 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: the league sent for an old, old line coach like 125 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: Doug Moron that that's just not that's not gonna work, 126 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: That's not how you're gonna function. And on top of it, 127 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: I really like your two tackles. Mccam. Robinson's in a 128 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: contract year and you are seeing it. That guy is 129 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: playing with the fury and a vengeance and a consistency. 130 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: He's not shown his previous three. Juwan Taylor on the 131 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: other side. I don't know if they keep a pancake 132 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: stat in the NFL, but if they did for offensive tackles, 133 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: I promised you he would be high up there and 134 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: well above average. He has some snap and some nastiness. 135 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: Uh A j Knts having his best year as a 136 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: pro lender is the center. So this is a above 137 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: average offensive line and the fact that they're sitting there 138 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: at sixty six percent past that's not tenable, nor does 139 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: it play to your strengths. And I would guess we're 140 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: going to see a commitment to that run game today 141 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: heard with us. Let's flip it to the Jaguars defense. 142 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: They've had some three issues as of late but consistently 143 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: throughout the year they have struggled to find pass rush, 144 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: one sack in each of the five games so far, 145 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: and really not a lot of pressure on quarterbacks in general. 146 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: Not many hits, not many pressures. It's crucial to getting 147 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford's face and make him move a little bit 148 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: and dance those feet around. But if you don't, he 149 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: has the awareness in the arm to carve you up. 150 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: Yes he does. And and I think you're gonna see 151 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: Todd wash be more aggressive now that the burden is 152 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: to your point about some of the injuries, you know 153 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna I think see Korea starting their base package today. 154 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: A guy that's had three days of work, you're gonna 155 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: see the ball shared in my opinion, after about being 156 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: here seven days. You're gonna see him take some significant 157 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: snaps today. So I mean guys right literally right off 158 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: the straight and Shared's case and and Korea totally different 159 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: system his third and four years. So uh that that's 160 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: gonna be a little burdensome on the early downs. But 161 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see them cut it loose, especially 162 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: if they get Detroit in the passing situations. While Detroit 163 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: is Holiday is a big receiver. They don't scare you 164 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: with their speed. Amdola didn't run that great. Marvin Jones 165 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: isn't a Blazer by league standards. So I think they're 166 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: gonna trust their people to play some man on the 167 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: back end, and in any passing situation they can, they're 168 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: gonna crank it up. But yeah, they're gonna be down 169 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: somebodies today in that front. There's gonna be some brand 170 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: new faces that they're gonna have to know the basics 171 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: on early downs and then to your point, you've got 172 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: to get home. You've got to hit. Matthew Stafford QB 173 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: hits on the year, that's near the bottom of the league. 174 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: The good news for them is they're facing the worst 175 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: in the league as far as pressure. Detroit has five 176 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: sacks as well and only like sixteen hits on the quarterback. 177 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, the team that that that gets the grass 178 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: stains on either Gardener Gardner or Matthew Moore consistently, it's 179 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,719 Speaker 1: probably the team's gonna win finals. Thought here, whether you 180 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: brought brought humored with us from Fox Sports two top 181 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: corners in the draft last year, going ahead to hit, well, 182 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: they're not going head to head. But they're on the 183 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: same game this week, Jeff Okuda and c J. Henderson. 184 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: Henderson was out last week with the shoulder. Sounds like 185 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: he's good to go for today. Okuda the higher of 186 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: the draft picks last year. How about those two guys 187 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: earlier this season. Yeah, both of them stunted, you know, 188 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: I think in their growth and development a little bit 189 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: by injury for Akuda, especially with a hamstring that limited 190 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: so much of his training camp. And Todd Wash was 191 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: pretty honest with us and we were talking about Chase 192 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: on not necessarily c J, but it, but it relates 193 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: in much the same way. And he said, Man, these rookies, 194 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: they're up against it more than any rookie class that 195 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: he's ever seen, you know, because of this COVID situation, 196 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: because of the c b A that in all the 197 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: new rules and regulations both with COVID and the new 198 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: CBA anyway, where these guys can't hit, can't play in pad. 199 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: So rookies are are. Yeah, And for rookie corners, especially 200 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: top ten corners that are counted on immediately to come 201 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: in and be locked down, shutdown guys unrealistic with the 202 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: off season and training camp. But both have certainly flashed, 203 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: both have had some pick both of had some tackles 204 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: for loss and and disruptive guys. And I know this, 205 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: both of them are highly athletic and have that athletic 206 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: arrogance that you need at that position. Great stuff, Rock, 207 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: Enjoy Jacksonville. Great to see you and talk to you, 208 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: and we'll hopefully see you down the line soon. And 209 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: enjoy those college boards this year. I I really, I 210 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: really do, I really do miss them, and who knows, 211 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: maybe one day I'll see you on the road again.