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Speaker 1: Reveale. Donks. It is Monday, August twelfth, twenty nineteen, and

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Speaker 1: this is Morning Combat. My name is Thomas. I am

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Speaker 1: the host of this program alongside my lovely Vana Whitesque

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Speaker 1: co host Brian.

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Speaker 2: Cambellsh tag fired the hell up, let's do that?

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Speaker 1: Hey, I brought this in for you today. Fetus.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, look at that.

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Speaker 1: Got this when they were on tour.

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Speaker 2: They're going to be on the Monsters of Murder tour

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Speaker 2: with the Statutory boys and.

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Speaker 1: Rough actually rough prison sex is a real song.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot to get to On the weekend.

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Speaker 1: There was let's see ufc Uruguay Uruguay, however you want

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Speaker 1: to pronounce it. You will see two forty one's coming out.

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Speaker 2: I see you throughout that, however you want to pronounce it.

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Speaker 1: We had a big debate on our radio show about it.

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Speaker 1: You can go whatever every direction you want to go. Plus,

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Speaker 1: we've got some boxing stuff, some odds and ends. Not

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Speaker 1: a moment to waste, so let's get right into it.

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Speaker 1: So first up, ufc Uruguay Uruguay, however you want to

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Speaker 1: say it. There was a main event. I'm told there

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Speaker 1: was a main event. Brian Valatina Chevchenko technically defended her

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Speaker 1: title against Liz Karmusch. She wins. There was really not

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Speaker 1: much controversy in tombs of who was the winner when

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Speaker 1: it was over. But oh my god, Brian, this was

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Speaker 1: let's just call it what. It was. Terrible, so terrible.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it's up there in my judgment with worst

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Speaker 1: UFC title fight of all time. Now I'm not declaring

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Speaker 1: it number one for a couple of reasons. There are

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Speaker 1: some fights that were objectively just also either as bad,

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Speaker 1: if not worse. Militant versus Pidanius was bad.

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Speaker 2: That's bad.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, you could do the third fight between Rolovski

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Speaker 1: and Silvia. That one just didn't work out. So there's

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Speaker 1: a bunch of other ones you could pick. And I'll

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Speaker 1: say this in the defense of this fight. They didn't

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Speaker 1: put it at the top of a pay per view

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Speaker 1: where you had to really pay attention. They put it

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Speaker 1: in the bottom of South America. They put it behind

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Speaker 1: a pay wall. They said, if you want to watch, watch,

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Speaker 1: if you don't, don't, So in that sense, you don't

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Speaker 1: feel like you got scammed pay per view dollars. On

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Speaker 1: the other hand, just objectively speaking, you thought it was

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Speaker 1: an okay fight. We thought it was an okay fight

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Speaker 1: because you're like, well, kr Moush had fought her before

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Speaker 1: and there's a bit of a rematch story, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe they're just trying to make cards. Was on the

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Speaker 1: top of it. But okay, Carmush is talented and so

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Speaker 1: was Chevchenko. But in the end, I don't understand Krmush's

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Speaker 1: game plan. Granted I'm not a profiler, so I'm saying

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Speaker 1: I don't I literally don't understand. But when I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: pro muy Thai coaches on Twitter also saying that they

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Speaker 1: don't understand, I can't be alone and thinking what, like,

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Speaker 1: I get that she defensively did enough to not put

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Speaker 1: herself in super harm's way. She never got out of

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Speaker 1: first gear offensively. What was that?

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Speaker 2: It comes down to intention to me, Like this weekend,

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Speaker 2: I went to the barbershop. I didn't intentionally come out.

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Speaker 2: I hope to come out of there looking like Timothy McVeigh.

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Speaker 2: I thought the last three or four haircuts I got

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Speaker 2: would speak to what I want. But I didn't intentionally

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Speaker 2: say don't give me the military cut.

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Speaker 1: I come out looking like I'm tight.

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Speaker 2: They're like, what are your next? Marina? I'm like, no,

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Speaker 2: there's no such thing, right. Here's the point, though, there

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Speaker 2: was no intention from Carmush to try to win that fight,

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Speaker 2: to try to win the title, so her afterwards to

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Speaker 2: say things like I'm here for a trilogy. I think

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Speaker 2: I can come back a third time and take this piight, Like,

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Speaker 2: what are you talking about it? So if you want

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Speaker 2: to go who do you put the blame on? Here's

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Speaker 2: the thing. Valancy and Chefchenko is best as a counter striker.

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Speaker 2: When you get somebody like Jessica I who's willing to

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Speaker 2: go for broke and run into traffic, you're gonna get

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Speaker 2: spectacular moments like that. I don't fully put the blame

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Speaker 2: she really felt out Carmush, she did try to win

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Speaker 2: the fight. I'm talking about Chefchenko. She walked her forward

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Speaker 2: with combinations, she dropped her with a spinning back fish,

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Speaker 2: at some point though they both sort of entered into

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Speaker 2: what Teddy Atlas likes to call that silent contract, which

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Speaker 2: is you sort of draw a line here, I draw

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Speaker 2: a line here. If neither of us go over it.

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Speaker 2: You won't knock me out, and I won't give you

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Speaker 2: the finish. I think Chefchenko tried a little bit harder.

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Speaker 2: But here's the deal. She hadn't want to protect in.

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Speaker 1: The fight, right, So he's protecting a title. She's protecting

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Speaker 1: obviously her status. And I'll put a little bit, just

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Speaker 1: a little bit of the blame on the matchmakers, not

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Speaker 1: a lot, because they're doing their job. But if you

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Speaker 1: have a counter striker versus someone who I think more

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Speaker 1: recently has been to a lot of decisions and doesn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily push the fight super hard, you had to expect.

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Speaker 1: Not saying you had to know this was coming, you

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Speaker 1: had to at least expect it as a possibility. So again,

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Speaker 1: I'm not super blaming them. The one thing I would say, though,

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Speaker 1: was like, Okay, karmoochs lost, and then was like, I'd

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Speaker 1: be up for a trilogy. Well, I don't think the

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Speaker 1: soul on Earth is other than her. Here's the other

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Speaker 1: part about it. Though, Schifchenko did what she had to

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Speaker 1: do to retain her title. Fine, she didn't take any

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Speaker 1: hardly damage. Fine, all that stuff is what you're supposed

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Speaker 1: to be doing in the fight game. However, if you

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Speaker 1: wanted to create energy and interest around a third fight

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Speaker 1: with the man in Nunez, this was not the way

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Speaker 1: to do. She didn't get any Not only did she

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Speaker 1: not get closer to a third fight with Nunez, she

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Speaker 1: got a lot further away. And you would have thought,

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Speaker 1: in there, put the stamp on her. She didn't.

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Speaker 2: They get to the title level and they realize that

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Speaker 2: this is the prize I'm protecting. If I protect this title,

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Speaker 2: I'm getting bigger pay days every time out, no matter

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Speaker 2: who I fight. So obviously she still wants that noun

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Speaker 2: Yaz fight, but she didn't expect to come back this soon.

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Speaker 2: UFC gave her that opportunity with this fight headline, this card.

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Speaker 2: She took it.

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Speaker 1: In the end.

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Speaker 2: Does she deserve a little bit of blank sure, for sure,

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Speaker 2: But Carlous deserves the majority of it. And the real

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Speaker 2: question is what you started out with. How bad is

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Speaker 2: this fight? Actually? Historically I think it's worse than let's

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Speaker 2: say Tyron Woody Stephen Thompson too, which actually had a

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Speaker 2: little bit of like chess magic in there. If you're

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Speaker 2: professor salt and pepper scale. I thought it was maybe

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Speaker 2: even better though than like Anderson Silva Talis latest Anderson

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Speaker 1: Let's not forget how awful those were. Bad what is

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Speaker 1: and Silva Patrick Ota? But that ended kind of early

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Speaker 1: with the tragic in we're.

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Speaker 2: Gonna talk about bad title fights, it's nowhere remotely close

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Speaker 2: to the worst title fight in UFC history, which is

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Speaker 2: also the first title fight in UFC history, and some

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Speaker 2: people don't realize was a title fight UFC five, the

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Speaker 2: Fight Championship. And I bring that up not to sound

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Speaker 2: hip and hipster and cool. I bring it up because

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Speaker 2: I'm still hurting from that fight. Thirty six minutes and

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Speaker 2: six second draw, no action whatsoever. I had a big

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Speaker 2: pay per view party at my house. I had the

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Speaker 2: illegal black Box, had people over that hadn't seen this before.

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Speaker 2: Sold them on the no rules, sold them on h

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Speaker 2: what's the dude's name of punch Josun and the balls

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Speaker 2: about age k Ha Keith Hackney, sold them on all

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Speaker 2: that great stuff, and we got you guys in underwear

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Speaker 2: and one in a geek kind of laying around and

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Speaker 2: rolling for thirty six minutes. That's the worst title fight.

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Speaker 2: That's the want womp in UFC history.

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Speaker 1: So then this would easily be the worst women's title

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Speaker 1: fight in UFC history. I don't know what would be worse.

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Speaker 1: Nothing comes immediately to mine.

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Speaker 2: I can think of it. If Pennington wasn't great, but

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Speaker 2: at least you know there was a finish, There was

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Speaker 2: attempt the look again. Chefchenko at least tried at a

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Speaker 2: certain point were she said I'm gonna finish again.

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Speaker 1: A smidgen of blame on the matchmakers, but they're mostly

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Speaker 1: doing their job. Some blame on chef Chenko, but again

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Speaker 1: mostly doing her job. Car Mousch, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: she was thinking. I really don't. This was and again,

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Speaker 1: at thirty five years of age, you gotta go are

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Speaker 1: you really going to I mean, this is your second

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Speaker 1: weight class. Are you really going to go that way

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Speaker 1: in pursuit of a title? Okay, that'll probably be your

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Speaker 1: last one as far as the UFC is concerned. So

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Speaker 1: that sucked. It was not great. Now there's another part

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Speaker 1: of this though, the co Maine event. It actually was.

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Speaker 1: We sent a Luke taking on Mike Perry, Mike Perry's

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Speaker 1: face getting rearranged. Let me ask you first, have you

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Speaker 1: ever seen a worst broken nose?

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Speaker 2: No, that's the worst from a nose category. I think

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Speaker 2: it's in the discussion of one of the worst things

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Speaker 2: to go back and watch. The one thing that MMA

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Speaker 2: has given us that even boxing really does. Boxing will

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Speaker 2: give you a loose air once in a while, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but MMA gives us this ex rockmn right, the things

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Speaker 2: they'll give MMA gives us this extra level of sort

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Speaker 2: of it all fits under the category of MMA pornography. Right.

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Speaker 2: We all have different fetishes. My fetishes to see old

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Speaker 2: guys with names get in there and fights when maybe

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Speaker 2: they shouldn't be licensed. That's my style. Some people get

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Speaker 2: off on this, and I just don't get it. They

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Speaker 2: get off on the groutesquely broken arm that's just hanging there,

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Speaker 2: or the Anderson Silva check kick where his leg flies

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Speaker 2: off in the other direction. This was insanely gross. This

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Speaker 2: was up there with cyborg Santos in the in the

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Speaker 2: hole on the forehead. I don't ever want to see

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Speaker 2: this again. I don't need fifteen replays. I don't need

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Speaker 2: gifts or gifts on Twitter. I don't need anything get

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Speaker 2: me away from this. He was breathing in and breathing

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Speaker 2: out in two different directions. It was pretty disgusting.

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Speaker 1: It looked like he had been launched through the windshield

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Speaker 1: of a car right where he had cuts all over

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Speaker 1: his face from going through the glass and then landing

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Speaker 1: and getting road rash in his face quite literally rearranged.

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Speaker 1: I've seen a I think maybe I've seen a worst

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Speaker 1: broken nose in person from a car crash, but this

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Speaker 1: It was shifted over and into his eye almost I think.

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Speaker 2: The nose was gone. I don't even understand what I

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Speaker 2: was seeing on his face.

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Speaker 1: It was broken and then pushed completely out of position.

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Speaker 1: You know, he went surgery in Montevideo. Okay, great, I

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Speaker 1: saw Mike Bond.

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Speaker 2: I love Mike.

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Speaker 1: But Mike was like he's expected to make a full recovery. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if he never fights again. Like in other words, I

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Speaker 1: just had no surgery. But by the way, something significantly

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Speaker 1: more minor of all the operations I've ever had, the

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Speaker 1: recovery on that was the worst. That was awful. It

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Speaker 1: was truly awful to think that, like a how much

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Speaker 2: We made the people in your ear the biggest heel

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Speaker 2: I don't get down like that. There's no price. People

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Speaker 2: always like, you know, ten million dollars cash you will

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Speaker 1: And that's what it will mount to these guys, I

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Speaker 2: In the ure Cyril Ghane or gone Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: He looks good getting off the bus there, old Cyril does.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah, four losses in a row. This is bad.

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Speaker 2: She looked great in doing so okay for us IMMA

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Speaker 1: Well, this is also kind of interesting too, because the

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing. There was no impulse in her

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Anthony Joshua and Andy Ruiz rematching. First

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Speaker 2: What does what's to Zone trying to do right now?

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Speaker 2: they're killing their pay per view business, that you shouldn't

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Speaker 2: and that's fine, and you should get it do. Zone

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Speaker 2: here of what they should have done. Number one, go

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Speaker 2: How about pump in that stadium full of Mexican American

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Speaker 2: the face of the heavyweight division, the future face of boxing.

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Speaker 2: He not only lost that fight, but if you hear

432
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Speaker 2: the whispers, you hear the reports coming out he was

433
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Speaker 2: knocked out in sparring a couple weeks before. Maybe shouldn't

434
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Speaker 2: have been meant medically cleared. They push forward with the

435
00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,680
Speaker 2: fight anyway. He goes in there, not in the right head,

436
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Speaker 2: gets knocked out again. I don't know if he saw

437
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Speaker 2: afterwards his dad was basically attacking Eddie Hern after the fight.

438
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you want that back in England with ninety thousand

439
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Speaker 2: people supporting him to rebuild him back up, build up

440
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Speaker 2: his image, build up his ego, get him back there

441
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Speaker 2: and get him that victory. Now we're going to Saudi

442
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Speaker 2: Arabia in a twelve thousand seed outdoor stadium.

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Speaker 1: Not even I think Mike Coppinger reported seven thousand.

444
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Speaker 2: So the promoter can cash in and we're gonna put

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Speaker 2: it on a completely inopportune time in the afternoon up

446
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Speaker 2: against serious competition for American sports. What the hell's going

447
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Speaker 2: on here? Like this is now making an event with

448
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Speaker 2: how hot heavyweight boxing is right now and making it

449
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,280
Speaker 2: a crossover thing. You had to see That first fight

450
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Speaker 2: got to people because of the image of a fat

451
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Speaker 2: man knocking out the muscled heavyweight champion of the world.

452
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Speaker 2: It got to people, it crossed over. Now you're basically

453
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Speaker 2: kind of taking it away from him. You're going, what

454
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Speaker 2: am I gonna watch? Howege football the most important game

455
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Speaker 2: of the year or that. Yeah, if you're aj how

456
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Speaker 2: do you agree to this? And I know Andrew Rui's

457
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Speaker 2: making been making some headlines. He's sort of arguing, I

458
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Speaker 2: need to get paid more if this is going to

459
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Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia. I'm sorry, Andy, you have no leverage. This

460
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Speaker 2: is what happens when you face the champion. You sign

461
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Speaker 2: a deal that says we're gonna do the rematch and

462
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Speaker 2: the price is set. He's gonna make nine million. It's

463
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Speaker 2: a great payday. You're not gonna argue for more. I

464
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Speaker 2: don't get outside of the obvious money grab, why they're

465
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Speaker 2: doing this, And it also just looks bad. Why is

466
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Speaker 2: UFC the only adult in the room. Remember when they

467
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Speaker 2: pulled out a Saudi Arabia a couple months ago?

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Speaker 1: Remember that in March, Well, the Denver guys did. But

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Speaker 1: they're going back to UAE, which has I believe they're

470
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Speaker 1: a dobby. Anyway, They're having their own issues, so.

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Speaker 2: It seems it seems fairly shameless, and it seems like

472
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Speaker 2: your biggest asset if you're designed. Now. They don't have

473
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Speaker 2: Anthony Joshua exclusively under contract like they do Kanelo Alvares,

474
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Speaker 2: but he's their biggest app arguably their second biggest asset

475
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Speaker 2: besides Kanelo. Don't you want to protect this guy?

476
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Speaker 1: Yeah? And don't you I mean, what happened to the

477
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Speaker 1: whole thing of like, let's make Joshua a big deal

478
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Speaker 1: in the United States? I mean, with one fight, the

479
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Speaker 1: one that didn't go well, and now you're abandoning it,

480
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Speaker 1: or at least for the foreseeable future. It's not coming

481
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Speaker 1: back or we don't know what the plan is with that.

482
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Speaker 1: So this whole idea of turning him into some kind

483
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Speaker 1: of again, to your point, you can put it in

484
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Speaker 1: the UK and it's great, But this is supposed to

485
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Speaker 1: be the next big heavyweight, hope. This was supposed to

486
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Speaker 1: be his introduction to the big Apple. They were going

487
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Speaker 1: to build off of that, and now you're a band,

488
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Speaker 1: and I would have understood that they had gone back

489
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Speaker 1: to the UK for the reasons aforementioned. I'm just sort

490
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Speaker 1: of pointing out here there's no overture whatsoever to the

491
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Speaker 1: US market on this one, other than oh, by the way,

492
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Speaker 1: if you're subscribing, catch it at what three in the afternoon,

493
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Speaker 1: like you would get clitchco at four pm or so,

494
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Speaker 1: And again HBO would air those, but it wasn't like

495
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Speaker 1: a full throated effort. Other other reason for those stories.

496
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Speaker 1: Here's the one that sort of gets to me. It's like,

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Speaker 1: you've got UFC going to Abu Dhabi, you've got this

498
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Speaker 1: fight going on, You've got ww doing their issues with

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Speaker 1: the Saudi government, and I thought I saw John Nash

500
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Speaker 1: on Twitter make a point. He was like look, dude,

501
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Speaker 1: people who make money off CTE don't care about human rights.

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Speaker 1: You've even got the next World Cup, which people have

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Speaker 1: to make. People have to ask themselves very clearly if

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Speaker 1: that's something they're going to support. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you follow the story at all. First of all, how

506
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Speaker 1: there's there's some suggestions that the World Cup ended up

507
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two in Qatar. Cutter, Yes, I say,

508
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Speaker 1: guitar for the donks, but it's.

509
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Speaker 2: Like trying to pronounce things on this show.

510
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Speaker 1: I used to live in Cutter, No no need. My

511
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Speaker 1: friend was grew up in dohap Okay. Point being is

512
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Speaker 1: this they they got up on by track now, God

513
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Speaker 1: damn it. The point being is when you look at

514
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Speaker 1: the human rights abuses, it's not these people don't They

515
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Speaker 1: don't invest in these considerations the same way. And so

516
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Speaker 1: it asks you like, well, what is the right answer

517
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Speaker 1: in this modern economy, do you want to go and

518
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Speaker 1: and try to open up these parts of the world

519
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Speaker 1: by introducing them to westernized forms of entertainment and sensibilities.

520
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Speaker 1: I can buy that. On the other hand, I'm always

521
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Speaker 1: sort of struck by what John McEnroe did. John McEnroe

522
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Speaker 1: at the height of apartheid in South Africa, was offered.

523
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Speaker 1: You know, this is back in the eighties or so,

524
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Speaker 1: was offered a million dollars at the time, which at

525
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Speaker 1: the time is an extraoring amount of money to go

526
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Speaker 1: compete for. I think it was even an exhibition match.

527
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Speaker 1: And he said no, yeah, he ain't gonna place Sun City, right.

528
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Speaker 1: So here's the thing. It's like, on the one hand,

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Speaker 1: you know, I had a lot of sign on my

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Speaker 1: show because he just did a tour through Satura, Arabia,

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Speaker 1: and I asked him this very same thing, and he

532
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Speaker 1: takes the former view, which is, look, man, these these

533
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Speaker 1: parts of the world are not going to open if

534
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Speaker 1: you don't get in there and open them up. But

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Speaker 1: do we really think that's what Eddie hern is doing

536
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Speaker 1: is some like mission for democracy and.

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Speaker 2: It's a money reb And look, look, I don't mind

538
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Speaker 2: stealing bread from the mouth of decadence, all right. But

539
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Speaker 2: here's the point. I'm not even here to argue the

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Speaker 2: we shouldn't go to Saudi Ray because this and that

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Speaker 2: one I'm a perfectly reasonable consideration. More to argue, why

542
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Speaker 2: are you doing this if you're design when you're trying

543
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Speaker 2: to hit a certain market. I mean they had a

544
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Speaker 2: press conference this morning without the fighters was Eddie Hearn

545
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Speaker 2: and a representative in Saudi Arabia. Jake Donovan, a boxing

546
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Speaker 2: writer on Twitter, basically said it looked like a timeshare presentation.

547
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Speaker 2: It just looks bad. It looks ultimately shameless, and I

548
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Speaker 2: think you're take your watering down and moving from an

549
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Speaker 2: opportunity to continue this heavyweight momentum. Oh, this book, the

550
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 2: sport gets crossover fans through the heavyweight division. It's always

551
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 2: been the gateway drug, and now you're just kind of

552
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Speaker 2: cash in and this one it's typical boxing, okay, taking

553
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Speaker 2: away a piece of the pie rather than having the

554
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Speaker 2: potential to share it with everyone and make the whole

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Speaker 2: sport okay.

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Speaker 1: But I don't want to diminish this part of the

557
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Speaker 1: conversation about the moral implications here and again people think

558
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Speaker 1: because the answers are difficult, that therefore not worth pursuing.

559
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Speaker 1: The most important questions in life don't have simple answers.

560
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Speaker 1: The most important questions in life actually have really difficult ones,

561
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Speaker 1: and they're worth trying to work through. The point I

562
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Speaker 1: was trying to make about Cutter, was this the stadiums

563
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Speaker 1: required for the World Cup in twenty twenty two could

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Speaker 1: only be built on what is base sickly the modern

565
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Speaker 1: equivalent of slavery, and dozens, dozens of imported workers from

566
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Speaker 1: South Asian countries have died trying to make these stadiums.

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Speaker 1: If you watch the World Cup in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: and many of us probably will, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: I feel about it. You're watching things that, like, I mean,

570
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Speaker 1: the amount of human suffering that had to go in

571
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Speaker 1: to make that possible is extraordinary. And so dude, these

572
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Speaker 1: questions are relevant. These questions are relevant as a consumer,

573
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Speaker 1: what role do you play in facilitating this? And also

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Speaker 1: you know this too, because this is true on the

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Speaker 1: MMA side of things. Forget just boxing for a moment,

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Speaker 1: combat sports, and I would include in this particular case,

577
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Speaker 1: pro wrestling. They attract a certain kind of person, often normal.

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Speaker 1: They also attract another kind of person who has a

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Speaker 1: real fluid, if not sometimes bankrupt morality.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was, I was one. I was. I was

581
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Speaker 2: really going to question you're often normal?

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Speaker 1: Hold on, there are normal people, and the good normal

583
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Speaker 1: ones get co opted all the time. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know when you're supposed to draw the line. Maybe this

585
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Speaker 1: actually isn't the one wee you're supposed draw the line.

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Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that it is, but rather, I don't

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Speaker 1: think that the predominant concern here is about disown to me,

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Speaker 1: the predominant concern here is is this something we should

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Speaker 1: be supporting?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you're a fan and or journalist and

591
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Speaker 2: you were excited about the potential of going to this fight,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna go.

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Speaker 1: No. I don't know. By the way, if you're this

594
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Speaker 1: is a legitimate question. If you're let's see, you're a

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Speaker 1: female journalist, are you allowed to go cover this? Thw No.

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Speaker 2: So there's there's there's much deeper, you know, hooks to

597
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Speaker 2: this in branches. You're right in terms of the social

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Speaker 2: justice of it, but uh, look, if you're Anthony Joshua again.

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Speaker 1: I wish you wouldn't use that term. It's not a

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Speaker 1: social justice issue. It's a basic decency issue. It's a

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Speaker 1: basic decency issue. That's a politically loaded term that's gonna

602
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Speaker 1: steer the conversation in a wrong direction. It's just a

603
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Speaker 1: it's a question of like what kind of thing are

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Speaker 1: you are you going to tolerate and be a part of.

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Speaker 1: That's it, right, pretty fair. I think, yeah, anyway, they're

606
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Speaker 1: gonna do it. They're gonna make a buttload of cash,

607
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Speaker 1: and we're probably gonna watch because we're a losers. Okay,

608
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Speaker 1: let's get back to the UFC if we can for

609
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Speaker 1: just a second. UFC two forty one, Brian is days away.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited about it. Paper reviews back in our lives,

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Speaker 1: and let's start with a fight that has been I

612
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Speaker 1: think I would say under the radar up until this

613
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Speaker 1: week a little bit. The return of Nate ds taken

614
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Speaker 1: on Anthony Pes. We talked about it last week, but

615
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Speaker 1: then they reframed the conversation Brian on Saturday Show. They're

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Speaker 1: pitching it like it's a Das brother versus the guy

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Speaker 1: on the wheaties box. Okay, that's now, that's now. In

618
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Speaker 1: fairness to the UFC, those are kind of words from Das,

619
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Speaker 1: not kind of those are words from Das' own mouth.

620
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Speaker 1: I just find it funny because it is an interesting

621
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Speaker 1: contrast to draw. It's a hell of a fight, but

622
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Speaker 1: also Das has always kind of wanted to be the

623
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Speaker 1: hero and keeps being presented, if not the villain, certainly

624
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Speaker 1: the iconoclass to a degree, and it's like, Wow, they

625
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Speaker 1: just keep marketing this guy in a way he doesn't

626
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Speaker 1: want to be seen. It's still pretty effective. I wonder

627
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Speaker 1: what you made of it.

628
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Speaker 2: No, it was great. You said it was a change.

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Speaker 2: It's the first time in this fight has really been

630
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Speaker 2: marketed since an Anoulyns. It was almost as a clearer Yeah,

631
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Speaker 2: it was almost as if it was certainly hot on

632
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Speaker 2: the on the underground levels from fans. I couldn't wait

633
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: for it. From a corporate presentation, it hasn't been pushed

634
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 2: out there. It's almost oddly ironic because it's got this

635
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: old narrative of the guy in the wheaties box. But

636
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: that may be the last time Nate Diaz was a

637
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Speaker 2: consistent regular fighter looking to stay active and be part

638
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Speaker 2: of title contentions. I mean, it really feels like it's

639
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: been that long, But I love it. I love that

640
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Speaker 2: when this fight was announced, they both sort of in

641
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 2: their first initial interviews offered that I care about this

642
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 2: fight a lot more than new people realize. I really

643
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: want to beat that other guy. I really seem to

644
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 2: have personal issues. It kind of has a retro feel

645
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: to it, even if this storyline feels a little bit dated,

646
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 2: But I want them both in there with that type

647
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: of focus and that type of mentality. It's interesting. I

648
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: can't figure out whether this fight, and you maybe you

649
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: can tell me, is just what it is. It's just

650
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 2: two really good personalities that we love and exciting fight

651
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 2: styles and hey, let's meet them together right in here.

652
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: Or if this fight actually has super big importance as

653
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 2: to where the winner will go from here.

654
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: I think it's well, it's a little bit of both. Right,

655
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: Let's say there were no implications for the division, would

656
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: you in your mind?

657
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: But you mean the division. It's almost like they're in

658
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: two different divisions at the same time.

659
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: Hence the brilliance of the whole call. Right, let's be

660
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: let's just be lightweights masquerading as welterweights so we can

661
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: cash in whichever way the wind blows in our favor.

662
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: It's smart. Actually, I don't mind it at all. But okay,

663
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: I mean, if you had to ask yourself, is that

664
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: going to be an action fight? I mean you would

665
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: have a hard time presenting it as anything but a.

666
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: Traction or is it a super important fight that fits

667
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 2: into the narrative of both divisions?

668
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: So I think if let's let's examine here. Let's say

669
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: Pettest wins, the Petis wins in a way that is

670
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything to win by stoppage, but dominant. Let's

671
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: call it dominant. Right. So now he moves up to welterweight,

672
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: he beats wonder Boy Thompson finishes him, and let's say

673
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: he would beat Nate Diaz. This would certainly put him

674
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: in I would think the catbirds seat right at welterweight.

675
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: He would be in an enormously strong negotiating position. He

676
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: would be have boosted his brand appeal. This would be

677
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: the guy who was in the wheaties box who maybe

678
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: he did have a bit of a hard time in

679
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 1: his career, kind of change some things up, but went

680
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: over this and dissected he's a little bit more. He's

681
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: always been a bit of a creative risk taker, but

682
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: I think he's much more now of like I'm gonna

683
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: take that big shot and not a lot in between.

684
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take that big punch. It doesn't land, I

685
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: might fade a little bit. He's a little bit he's

686
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: a little bit like riskier with the with the all

687
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: in on this shot or that show a little bit

688
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: a little bit like that, but he's still beating good guys.

689
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: In fact, if you already beat Thompson and it beats Daz,

690
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he gets back to that level where

691
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: he was on the weaedies box again, like let's put

692
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: him right back on there. But I would say it

693
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: would be a recapturing of something that I think people

694
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: now I thought was lost but maybe gone forever. He

695
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: gets all of that back. In the case of Diaz,

696
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: if he wins, dude, he's cooking with gas because the

697
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: last guy two guys he fought were the same guy,

698
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor. Before that, Michael Johnson long time ago. I said,

699
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: two guys will two fights, but you know one guy anyway,

700
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: you get the idea. So it's a been of a

701
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: long time ago. This'd be the first guy he beat

702
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: since fighting Connor McGregor. Right, think about that for a second.

703
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: So it would lead to a question of where he

704
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: would go from there. Now that's where it gets kind

705
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: of interesting.

706
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: We're gonna say it comes down to basically orange in

707
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: this fight. We love Anthony Pattis, but a real interest

708
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: in this fight is the return of Nadiez and the

709
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: idea of If he wins this, which road is Which

710
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: road is the UFC going to allow him to take?

711
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: Is this just let's get Nick Nathiez back in there

712
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: and reshine up his brand and then prep him up

713
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: for one more give him a Connor third fight or

714
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: or whatever. Or is this let's actually finally fix the glitch,

715
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: fix this error when he became a crossover Monsters star

716
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: through riding with Connor, through those two fights, which are

717
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: what like two and four in the most in terms

718
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: of the biggest pay per views in UFC history, and

719
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: done nothing with him. If Nate wins again, is he

720
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 2: just an attraction that UFC still doesn't know what they have?

721
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: Or you could make just the biggest as big of

722
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: a case that he becomes an instant title contender in

723
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: both divisions, or that he becomes Tony Ferguson's consolation prize

724
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: if Connor slides in there and gets the winner of

725
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: Dustin and Habib.

726
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: So there's too many variables to know. Partly, we're going

727
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: to have to see how Nate wants to lead this.

728
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: In fact, dude, look how this fight was made. Duke

729
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: Ruffis told me it was Nate's people who called up

730
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: Pettic's people and said you want that smoke. They said,

731
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: we want that smoke, took that smoke to the UFC.

732
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: UFC signed off on And my only point being is

733
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: Diaz is a guy who likes to call his own shots.

734
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: With a smart team behind him, they might be able

735
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: to get on the mic afterwards and say we want

736
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: X or Y. Maybe it's Tony, maybe it's Connor, maybe

737
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: it's a title shot. I don't know. I don't know.

738
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: We're you have to see how that all goes. But

739
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: I'm not too concerned. I think if he wins, I'm

740
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: not gonna say cart blanche, but I'm gonna say anything

741
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: he can effectively sell.

742
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: See. I can't believe that the UFC would give him

743
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: that type of leeway based on the recent history and

744
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: how Danny White.

745
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: This is a thing that they'll deny. I know it

746
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: is true. They offered him a title fight at one

747
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: seventy with Tyrone Woodley. That is absolutely true.

748
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: What do you think in your heart's happened Nate turning tone?

749
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: Or or was it not enough mine? I know exactly

750
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: what happened Nate.

751
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: They offered X for money, Nate asked for two X

752
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: they told Nate to go pound sand. That's exactly what happened.

753
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: Is that is a fact.

754
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: That's what happened. So he didn't say no. He just said,

755
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna fight this on these terms, you're gonna

756
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 1: pay me. UFC said, we're not all right.

757
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: Well, what I love most about this matchup, outside of

758
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: this celebri returning factor and all that we get these

759
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: fighters back, we get Nadez back, is how do you

760
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: have any confidence of what each guy's going to look like,

761
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: because certainly there's the three year gap with Nate mixed

762
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: with the sort of mercurial nature of the diaz Is

763
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: where at any point on the highest level sometimes they

764
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: can sort of not mail in but give you a

765
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: weird performance. And then pettis, I can't figure out Luke

766
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: if he was better than we thought against Tony Ferguson

767
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: and almost won that fight and almost had a hard

768
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: luck loss, or it's a fool's gold win against Thompson

769
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: because he lost basically every second of that fight and

770
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: then comes through with the monster finish at the end.

771
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's okay. So I went back

772
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: and I watched the Tony Ferguson fight. We went over

773
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: and on dissected. He had an interesting first round, and

774
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: he dropped Tony in the first. Sorry at the beginning

775
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: of the second. But if you just and I'm now

776
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: I'd like to say he dropped him, because that like

777
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: it's nothing. But I'm just saying, if you just watch

778
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: the fight, generally, Tony took over that fight with about

779
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: two minutes in and then never really looked back other

780
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: than getting the dropped, which he he pushed through. In

781
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: other words, I'm just saying, Tony mos through most fighters

782
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: at one fifty five in a two rounds look at

783
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: a cowboy Seroni, same kind of thing. I would say this.

784
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 1: I think this is the way to look at it.

785
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: Diaz coming into the Michael Johnson fight. I went back

786
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: and I watched that as well. He'd been off over

787
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy days, and the narrative in that

788
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: fight was, Wow, look at how refreshed Nate Diaz looks.

789
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: Look at how Grady looks. The time off did him good.

790
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,959
Speaker 1: I wonder if the time off will do him good.

791
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: It had been much longer than three hundred and seventy

792
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: days this time around, so maybe it was too long.

793
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to see. Here's the part with Pettis.

794
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: I mentioned he's a little bit more He's always been

795
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: creative and a risk taker, now much more so. Here's

796
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: the other part I don't think people pay attention to.

797
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: He's taken a lot of damage in his career, to

798
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: the part where it's just like things like his hands break,

799
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: he separated his rib against Pettis, stuff like that, all

800
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: the cuts, but also he's taken a lot of abuse.

801
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: He now in his striking stats, if you look at them,

802
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: he gets hit more than he lands per minute. That

803
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: is cool.

804
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: This great end up being a in some ways kind

805
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: of a perfect matchup for Nate to come back to.

806
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: And that's I think Nate and this team saw that

807
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: Tony Ferguson fight and said, hmm, we can do something

808
00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: with that.

809
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: All right, gun to your head. If Nate wins, so

810
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: you get a lightweight title shot. Does he get Tony?

811
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: Does he get connor does he get Jorge Mosvidal. Because

812
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: we have a fun group of what I call celebrity fighters,

813
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 2: guys that don't necessarily fit in the title contention ladder

814
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: but could be could splash the pot at any point.

815
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say he will look for a title shot

816
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: based on some conversations I've had, but no one really knows.

817
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: Now you bring up something, I'm gonna put it back

818
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: to you. There is the Jorge Masvidal X factor out there,

819
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: Diaz versus mass at all, which, by the way, you

820
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: could do it one fifty five, but you don't need to.

821
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: You can do it at one seventy. Okay. I have

822
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: suggested this as a fight for people. People. He needs

823
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: to fight Leon Edwards, Brian Campbell, No, no, he does not.

824
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: Please tell the people why. That is one of the

825
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: all time worst suggestions I've ever heard.

826
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: That's the worst default possibility for Mosfeedal because they have

827
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: that connection. But we talked about on the show a

828
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: couple weeks ago. Edwards just doesn't didn't take advantage of

829
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: his moment to sort of wave that flag and say

830
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: I'm on that level. I need to be in that matchup.

831
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: You need to capitalize and cash in on what you

832
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: have here in horiy Mas. And the big question is

833
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 2: where's he going to go? He did that scrum and duguay.

834
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: Gay Uruguay, Uruguay.

835
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: You can say Uruguay, sorry and Uruguay, and you know

836
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: he called Leon Edwards a bitch. It was fun and

837
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: games and all it was. But what he said, if

838
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: you piece through the words, is UFC has presented him

839
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: a sexy looking lineup of potential fights. There's title opportunities

840
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 2: and there's non titles. And he says, if it's not

841
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 2: going to be a title matchup, which a lot of

842
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: people are saying, Kolbe saying the same thing, If you're

843
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 2: not gonna give me a title shot, then give me

844
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: title shot money to make up for it. He's gotta

845
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: be talking about Connor because Dana White's done that weird

846
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 2: public dance where we know he come out at first

847
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: and says Jorge and Connor will never happen. Horayes too big.

848
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: Of course, that makes Connor McGregor get upset. He comes

849
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: out and says, I'm not scared. I want to fight him.

850
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: And now what Dana kind of came back and said

851
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: almost the other thing. They're setting it up, right, they

852
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: have to be setting it up.

853
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: I can't believe the reason this keeps coming up is

854
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: because I keep getting pushed back on this. And okay,

855
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: when I bring up my attitudes towards doping. I expect

856
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: people to push back. They are brainwashed by sixty years

857
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: of government propaganda. It takes time to unravel that, all right. However,

858
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: this is one to me that seems like a bit

859
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: of a no brainer. It's like Fellas, this isn't just

860
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: somebody who's been in the UFC two years who's ranked

861
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: eighth and doesn't want to fight number eleven. This is

862
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: a guy who has been in the trenches at two

863
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: different weight classes and come up short on times where

864
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: you could argue he shouldn't have in close split decisions.

865
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: He finally finally breaks through when you thought maybe he

866
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: was never gonna he gets to a spot most fighters

867
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: will never get to. Certainly he thought he might not

868
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: get to. And you want him to fight someone whose

869
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: team doesn't require him to do much media, who didn't

870
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: take advantage of a viral moment and has what I

871
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: would call look, he's a phenomenal talent. I covered him

872
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: on Dissected. It's not that I don't have profound respect

873
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: for the abilities of Leon Edwards, but as a public entity,

874
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: his visibility with the casual fan base is nil. It

875
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: is nil. You want Jorgey Masvidal to fight that guy.

876
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: What kind of clown would ever recommend to Jorge Masvidal

877
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: that's a good idea for your career. And folks say,

878
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: what's he supposed to do sout a year?

879
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 2: Well, no, no one, no one is suggesting.

880
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: It, And if it comes to it, I guess that

881
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: that's the last choice. Make it. But people fall out

882
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: from injury all the time. Leon Edwards can fight Tyron

883
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: Woodley for crying allah who's still sitting at number one

884
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: of the rankings for no good reason. Or he can

885
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: fight Nate Diz. He can fight Nate Diz if he wins,

886
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: that's a perfectly good way this could go. He can

887
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: fight Connors is the worst idea of all of them.

888
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: If you're in the UFC match making room and you're

889
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: having this conversation about a potential Connor Masvidal match, and

890
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: you're saying, well, look, do we want Connor to take

891
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: two losses in a row, And then somebody raises their

892
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 2: hand and says, well, we could do it at welterweight

893
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: or a catchway where there's a built an excuse. Do

894
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: you have the confidence that Jorge would play ball and

895
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: strike with Connor? That would almost keep him in it.

896
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would. And the last thing on the

897
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: best about this, because in the back of the villains

898
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: are telling me to move on. Last thing about this.

899
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: I don't. I would. I would have just overruled it that.

900
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: I'm about to take my earpiece ot and be like,

901
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: you know what, who runs the show? I won this show?

902
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: All right?

903
00:37:59,080 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: Uh?

904
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: People be it. It'd be an exciting fight. I'm sorry,

905
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: why would you think that. I'm not saying it would

906
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: be a bad fight. It would be a very very

907
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: tactical technicians masterpiece because Jorge is very technical and good

908
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: and Leon's very technical and good. It ain't gonna be

909
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: Mike Perry versus Vicente Luke. Like, that's not how this

910
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: fight would go. It would come down, it would come

911
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: down to the wire. It'd be like one guy winning

912
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: a jiu jitsu match by advantage. That's what everyone's clamoring for.

913
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: Take that shit to another sucker, please, Okay, wow, I

914
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: just can't. I can't believe that, Like, how would I

915
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: have to convince people about this?

916
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: Already on your T shirt? Heir dying fetus? What is

917
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: the needle injecting.

918
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: That injecting the magic of the music in the earth bro.

919
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: If that was a child's skull, I would to shut

920
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 2: the show down right now. I don't. I don't know

921
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 2: how far you go with your metal hair.

922
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: I go, I go to where it gets good. You

923
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: should try it sometime, all right, last, but certainly not

924
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: least in terms of our topics of the day here, Brian.

925
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: Another fight at UFC two forty one that's important is

926
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: Daniel Cormier taking on Steve AMYOCHI. I'll pitch to you

927
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: this one. If he beats Stepe Brian Campbell, how much

928
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: closer does Daniel Cormier get to becoming the best heavyweight

929
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: of all time? And here's why I asked that he

930
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: would not have Stepe's record of winning the title and

931
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: then defending it three times. This would only be his

932
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: second defense. I believe since winning nevertheless, to be as

933
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: good as he was, take time away from the division,

934
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: come back, beat the guy who had the three, then

935
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: beat him again for the second title defense. I don't know.

936
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: It puts him pretty close.

937
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: What would have to be really damn close, And it

938
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: would really make us examine what our standards are for

939
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: this type of conversation, because there's almost two conversations in

940
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 2: one there's accomplishments, and there's the eye test accomplishments. It's

941
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 2: probably steep A. You can argue it's Randy Gutar, having

942
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 2: won it three times.

943
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: You could argue I think we never was in the U.

944
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: Well, okay, but again I said headweight of all time.

945
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 2: You can definitely argue Randy Gutar. But there's the eye

946
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: test factor, and right now the eye test is still

947
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: telling me Kane Velaskas is the best heavyweight I've ever seen.

948
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: Unfortunately had the backbreaking, a string of injuries and we

949
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: never really found that out. And there's toses an interesting

950
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: question in there, and right away when you see DC

951
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: come back and beat Stepe the intelligent way that he

952
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 2: did and didn't go five rounds and wrestling, and we

953
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 2: knocked him out and were suddenly going, damn, what would

954
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: it have looked like if DC just stayed in heavyweight

955
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: the whole time? Like, what would he be right now?

956
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: He would have to be slam dunk the greatest of

957
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 2: all time? And then there's that Caine factor in that question.

958
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: So I ask you this, Luke, is Daniel Cormy the

959
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: folk caro And by the way, I got a chance

960
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: to be a talking ahead on his E sixty piece

961
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: on Sunday that Ariel did and fantastic work by the folks.

962
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 2: There need a little bit more Campbell in it though,

963
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: just just between you and me. But here's the deal,

964
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 2: great American folk hero, the career bridesmaid who finally broke through.

965
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: But did he go down to two five because he's

966
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: the best friend ever and I'm not doing this to

967
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: call him out, but this is an interesting topic. Or

968
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: did he go down to two five because he knew

969
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: he was never gonna beat Caane, that Caine was the

970
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: equivalent of Cale Sanderson for him and college wrestling and

971
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,479
Speaker 2: John Jones for him in light heavyweight fighting.

972
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: Don't I think he did that at all. I think

973
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: that he was part of a scenario where he had

974
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: a choice to make. There was one person ahead of

975
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: him in terms of tenure, that being Kane Velasquez. Kane

976
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: Velasquez said, this guy can train this facility. We all

977
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: know the story. But basically what my argument is is,

978
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: I think Cormier looked at the scenario and said, Okay,

979
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: I have a choice to make. I can go somewhere

980
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: else and I can compete at heavyweight, or I can

981
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: stay here, and I have to compete in an unnatural

982
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: division or something like that, let's say not my peak division, right.

983
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: But what I get to do is I get to

984
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: preserve this harmony. That's what I get to do. I

985
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: get to learn from the best, I get to train

986
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: from the best. I get to keep my family here,

987
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: all the things that I want to do. I have

988
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: to make that weight class sacrifice, but I don't have

989
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: to do anything else. You have a hard time convincing

990
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: me that he ran from Kane Velasquez into the arms

991
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: of John Jones as this was some kind of a

992
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: safer scenario for the.

993
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 2: Same whispers though, that Kane would handle him at the gym.

994
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: I mean, DC says to himself, But you never know.

995
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: Though I've heard a lot of different scenarios. There should

996
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: be some reason to believe that Kane might handle him,

997
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: Especially early. Kane had a much more of a head

998
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: start in terms of that, so that wouldn't necessarily be

999
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: all that surprising. But also it's a bit of a

1000
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: long game here too. Just because you can beat somewhat

1001
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: early doesn't mean they don't catch up.

1002
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: The way we actually they had. Kane in his comeback

1003
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: fight against in Ghana, which went disastrous before it really started.

1004
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: We never really got to know how good Kine was

1005
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: in this comeback. Let's say he had out wrestled in

1006
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: Ghano for the three rounds and won that fight clean,

1007
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: that was a five run fight. Would we be banging

1008
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: the drum right now? Would we be forcing ourselves to

1009
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: bang the drum to have a John Jones for shot

1010
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: situation and have them finally fight to declare Kan d C.

1011
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: Because I've almost you know, we get to this point

1012
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 2: when we have two active guys who have a claim

1013
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: to the goat in that specific category, kind of like

1014
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: when Nunia's and Cyborg just recently met. You sort of

1015
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: have to see them meet because you're asking me, if

1016
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: DC beats Stepay a second time, can you make that case? No,

1017
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: I still have the eye test of what I've seen

1018
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: from Kane, And I'm not saying you necessarily solve that

1019
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: debate by seeing an old Brooke and Caine get in

1020
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 2: there against DC and Severn their friendship, But I'm sort

1021
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: of asking you, would we have been beating that drum

1022
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 2: right now to say we need to find out who's

1023
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: the greatest heavyweight in history?

1024
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: We might be it would be a different scenario. All

1025
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: I know is that Cormier has smartly played his situation

1026
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: for harmony, for long term growth, took advantage of heavyweight

1027
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 1: when it was there. And the other thing I would

1028
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: say is you ask about the eye test, I don't know.

1029
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: Cormier meets the eye test pretty well for the most part,

1030
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: he does. And the part is about accomplishments, Well, yeah,

1031
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: you're not going to have as many accomplishments if you

1032
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: spent a huge chunk of your career not even in

1033
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 1: that weight class. Right, So all the things he could

1034
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: have been doing at heavyweight because he did. Yes, he

1035
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: did get accomplishments at light heavyweight, but let's say he

1036
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: never left. How many accolades would he have at heavyweight?

1037
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: Would it be so overwhelming at this point that we

1038
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't be having this discussion. So like, just by the

1039
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: process of subtraction of time. Okay, he doesn't have as

1040
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: many title defenses, but he wasn't even competing in the

1041
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: same space, so of course he can't.

1042
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: And hey, manhandled every heavyweight he faced, right.

1043
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: It's not like I mean, the only guy I ever

1044
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: really give him the tough fights were Jones and then

1045
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: gust of Sin, and he beat gust of Sin. So

1046
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know what to tell you all, folks.

1047
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: What about this? Though you mentioned Fato before, and that's

1048
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: why I sort of countered you and said maybe they

1049
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: should be a UFC only discussion. I'm sort of still

1050
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: of the belief that Fader was separate from this conversation

1051
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: because he is the greatest heavyweight of all time and

1052
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: is at that upper room table with the five greatest

1053
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: fighters of all time regardless of weight.

1054
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the issue is, I mean, he kind of peaked

1055
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: around two thousand and four. I mean, he had some

1056
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: good moments after that.

1057
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: But you're saying time will remove him from the equation

1058
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: the same way that time obviously removed Choys Gracie when

1059
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: the sport evolved, and removed Ronda Rousey as well.

1060
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: I don't think we're near that because he's still competed

1061
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: in what is commonly known as the modern era. He

1062
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: had a modern skill set. He wrote the blueprint on

1063
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: modern ground and pound, especially for without elbows. Since that

1064
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: it's been updated, but some of the early things you

1065
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: could do, so like, I don't think the eras are

1066
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: so far apart and as they get further and further apart,

1067
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: the gradients between them get finer. So like the difference

1068
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: between Ken Shamrock versus Hoys and even Rowsey versus Car

1069
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: is enormous, but the difference between Rassi, Krmusch and fatal

1070
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: Orts it's much In Fadal versus let's say, crow Cop

1071
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, it's a little bit narrower, although

1072
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 1: you actually argue that those guys were even better. Actually

1073
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: I take that back a little bit. Not the best comparison,

1074
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: suffice suffice to say is that look, two thousand and

1075
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 1: four MMA is not the same as twenty nineteen MMA,

1076
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: So I think the gradients are finer. I still think

1077
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: that his overall body of work puts him in a

1078
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: position where top five all time fighters I don't know,

1079
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: but the best heavyweight I've ever seen probably probably. I

1080
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: just think Corma. If he can just stay healthy and

1081
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: keep doing what he's been doing without significant drop off

1082
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: at forty, which is a big task, it's like, well,

1083
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: maybe that conversation needs to change real quickly. Last thing

1084
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: on us, Vermo Chick, I got one more on makea Fast,

1085
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 1: Make Fast, because we got to move all right.

1086
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: From the idea of legacy. When Cormier, who has never

1087
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: beaten John Jones, moved up to heavyweight and beat Steepe,

1088
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: we all wrote basically the same thing, that this was

1089
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: DC's chance to cut the line and basically reach immortality

1090
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: without having to have beaten Jones, because he wants two divisions,

1091
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 2: and you could make cases of the two Jones losses

1092
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: that one day throw out because it's no contest, and

1093
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: the first DC also believes Jones was dirty. Whatever, it's

1094
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 2: a side conversation for another day. So it's almost as

1095
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: if DC entered that upper room, that table of the

1096
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 2: five or six best fighters ever, does he potentially still

1097
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: have a chance to lose that spot?

1098
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: Though?

1099
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: Should he, let's say, lose to Steepe or should he

1100
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: lose to John Jones in a trilogy? Can you lose

1101
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: what you've gained at this point? And I have that

1102
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: same question for Demitrius Johnson, who I thought got to

1103
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: a point where he reached that category. But if he's

1104
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: going to linger and wan and do this sort of

1105
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: off American TV, does he also fall out of that catch?

1106
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: It s over the Bjapen conversation in a different way,

1107
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: which is, if you've done all this? How sterling is

1108
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: that still? After all, the stuff that comes after this

1109
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: is a much more narrower subset of success and failure,

1110
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: At least with failure side, I would say, I'd have

1111
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: to think about it more. I don't know here. Here's

1112
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: the only thing I'm certain of is that if he

1113
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: beats Stepe, the name to best heavyweight of all time

1114
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: gets significantly better because he would have beat the guy

1115
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: who had the most stile defenses twice. No questions asked

1116
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 1: at that point. Last thing, though, what if Miochich changes

1117
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,479
Speaker 1: the script a little bit? What if he comes back

1118
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: and beats Cormier. So you're talking about the Cormier side, well,

1119
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: hold on, flip it a little bit, because then you

1120
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: could say, well, if the first fight was a fluke,

1121
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a fluke.

1122
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 2: But then it makes the third fight very important, like historically,

1123
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: let see.

1124
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: And that becomes the fight for, at least in the

1125
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: modern era of post twenty ten, the best heavyweight that

1126
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: we've seen of our life time. I fully agree that's

1127
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: what it would be interesting. All right, we need to

1128
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: move on to the fan questions here. As always, we

1129
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: put him up on Instagram I'm Luke Thomas News on Instagram.

1130
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 1: What is yours?

1131
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: At Instagram? Brian C. Campbell?

1132
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: Brian's the kid is me Brian Campbell.

1133
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: No, there's a lot of Brian Campbell.

1134
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: You gotta, you gotta, all right, you gotta make things hard.

1135
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: Ms from Donks, dms from the digities. All right, so

1136
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: let's do this. Jerem ten to ten says, is Demetrius

1137
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 1: is spilled wrong? Is Valentina the next Demetrius Johnson?

1138
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: With the no, no, no no?

1139
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: What is it? What do you think he means by that?

1140
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: He means Demetrius Johnson, despite having a string of very

1141
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 2: exciting victories during his flyweight title reign, became known for

1142
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: somebody who couldn't draw ratings, who was boring on the microphone,

1143
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: who was ultimately a stale champion, who wasn't as marketable

1144
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: as he was great in the cage. I think Valentine

1145
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: definitely needs people to come after her to bring out

1146
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: the best in her. But I think at the same time,

1147
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: in figurative and literal ways, she's a little bit sexier.

1148
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: Well, you made her awkward in the room.

1149
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like middrift gun tats.

1150
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: That's I will say, the gun tat is pretty cool.

1151
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: The gun Tat's pretty cool. All right, let's just move on,

1152
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: because I don't know how you top that.

1153
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: You got to be able to counter that. Come on,

1154
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: you got to give that to me.

1155
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: Monkey Base sixty eight says, if you had a time machine,

1156
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: oh I wish I did, and could take a prime

1157
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: GSP and bring him into the current landscape of the

1158
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: UFC Worldsweight division, how does he fit in? Would his

1159
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: skill set, combined with his gentlemanly demeanor still be sufficient

1160
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: to be a star in the current state of the

1161
00:48:58,960 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: entertainment era?

1162
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: The former last week in the YEA.

1163
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: Actually, if you bring a if you bring a prime

1164
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: GSP into the modern welterweight division, I think he's your champion.

1165
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: All that goes to tell you is when you see

1166
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: people being like, oh, so and so was ahead of

1167
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: their time, that's what they mean. George Saint Pierre was

1168
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: in every way far ahead of his time, ahead of

1169
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: his peers at his time. I would argue ahead of

1170
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: his now. I wouldn't call him Pierce today, but had

1171
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 1: the best crop of welterweights we have today, A prime

1172
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: GSP was better than them too, Like he is that

1173
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: just transcendently good. Now, the interesting part is how would

1174
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: his gentlemanly thing fit in. The funny part is about

1175
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: this entertainment era, Brian. We think it's kind of new.

1176
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: It's only new in its ubiquity, which is to say,

1177
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: the UFC had asked him after Matt Hughes had reclaimed

1178
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: the title I forget or defendant, whatever the fight was.

1179
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: When Saint Pierre goes up there and says, I'm not

1180
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: by your performance.

1181
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 2: And everyone was like, oh shit, saying he was wearing

1182
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: George's John Cena style yea passes.

1183
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So he didn't want to do that. The

1184
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: UFC had kind of asked him to the time. He

1185
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: was a bit of a company man, and he did.

1186
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: So there was all of this manufacturing of beef ahead

1187
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 1: of time. I actually feel like being as good as

1188
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: he was and as gentlemanly as he was, the two

1189
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: worked in concert. He was on brand, Canadian friendly, he

1190
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: had an interesting accent. He was again transcendent as an

1191
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: athlete and just set a great example because one thing

1192
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: he was more beneficial to them at the time when

1193
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: they were trying to get MMA regulated and they were like,

1194
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: look at our cleaned up athletes. That's less relevant today.

1195
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: But as someone you could take to sports center and

1196
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: put in front of if needed be Charlie Rowell. Charlie

1197
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: Rose's actually had his owners. I'm just sort of pointing

1198
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: out someone you could put in front of the mainstream, and.

1199
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: He's the model of Bushido.

1200
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: Yes, you could do something that was martial arts, not MMA.

1201
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 2: You're asking twenty nineteen, would he be in Dana White's

1202
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: crosshairs just from being two vanilla?

1203
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: No, he's asking what would his gentlemly demeanor still be

1204
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: sufficient to be a star in the current state of

1205
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: the entertainment era.

1206
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 2: It would be if he had the same level of

1207
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: dominance that he had back then. With the consecutive title wins,

1208
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 2: the he became a foundational pay per view brand because

1209
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: you knew what you were going to get from him,

1210
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 2: and he would respect the sport and make you happy

1211
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 2: and clinically defeat the guy in front of him.

1212
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I believe I'm on poor by the way,

1213
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 1: has replaced Charlie Rose. Jesus Christ. I forgot that dude

1214
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: had his whole me too thing. Charlie Rose. You growth,

1215
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: all right, let's do this next one. This is from

1216
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: I think this is like an Irish name Ocean Ocean McCarthy.

1217
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: Do you think d C will and should adopt the

1218
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: same approach to this fight as he used in the

1219
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: first fight. I have thought about that a lot. Actually,

1220
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: you know what's funny about that. It's like DC has

1221
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: the same strategy for every fight. Now, individual tactics and

1222
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: scenarios will change up a little bit, and the endgame

1223
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: might be a little bit Do I want to work

1224
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: from the back blah blah blah blah blah, single, like

1225
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: high crotch double. Those kinds of choices change. But dude,

1226
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: here's DC. He comes right out and he gets right

1227
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: in your face, and he wants to push into you

1228
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: enough where he can need to get the takedown or

1229
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: you just wilt from the overwhelming force of the waves

1230
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: crashing into the rocks. Again. I did a live chat

1231
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: on my own YouTube channel and someone asked, me, well,

1232
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: you look at the stats. He was winning ahead of

1233
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: time before the finish. But that's a little bit deceptive. Yes,

1234
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: Stepe is obviously quite good. But the reason why that's

1235
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: deceptive is if you have an opponent and they're objective,

1236
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: and you know that's the objective is to get in

1237
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: your face and make you wilt. Setting the tone early

1238
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: is extremely important, pumping the jab, firing shots at them,

1239
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: making them back up. You have to get them to

1240
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: respect it. So that early part of the fight with

1241
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: DC is in many ways the least representative in certain capacities.

1242
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: So we'll see how the second one goes. But I

1243
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: would be a little bit hesitant to look at that

1244
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: one and say, oh, it's a first stepe. It's a

1245
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: model of what he could do. And at the same time,

1246
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,959
Speaker 1: for Cormier, the game plan doesn't change much. It's walk

1247
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: you down.

1248
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: I think we have the I think the second fight

1249
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: is going to go the distance, and the reason why

1250
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: is I think what happens in a lot of rematches.

1251
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: The guy who won figures out how to be a

1252
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: little bit safer, and the guy who lost figures out

1253
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 2: I need to be even better. I need to be

1254
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 2: a lot better. And I think Stevee's better than the

1255
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 2: performance he showed the first time around. And I think

1256
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: d C is going to go back and watch that

1257
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: fight over again, like we have kind of realized he

1258
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: got lit up a few times, and you really can't

1259
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 2: take those shots from somebody like steep Aman.

1260
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but actually I asked him about that. I go,

1261
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: who hits harder, Steve Ameochich or Anthony Johnson said Anthony

1262
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: Johnson hit harder.

1263
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 2: I believe much harder. I believe that.

1264
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: He said, Anthony Johnson would rattle his teeth.

1265
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 2: Anthony Johnson has like rhinoceros. It's just ridiculous.

1266
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: He's a super Yes, yeah, I saw him fight Kevin

1267
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: the fire Burns. I believe in d C or even

1268
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: know Charlie Brenneman.

1269
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: Now, but do you agree with that the DC has

1270
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 2: to be safer this time around?

1271
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right.

1272
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 2: Plus it's going to be more of a chess match.

1273
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: I think wrestling will be a big factor.

1274
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: We had talked about Chevchenko. You know, she's protecting something

1275
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: by virtue of being a title holder. He is the

1276
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: title holder, and we don't know how many of these

1277
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: he's got left. He's you don't no one ever wants

1278
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: an l but you want to be very careful.

1279
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: If he loses, he may never end up getting the

1280
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 2: John Jones fight, because you would think the promotion would

1281
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: want to go into a trilogy for that heavyweight title, or.

1282
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: If that pushes him down to light heavyweight. That could

1283
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: go a couple of different ways because people would still

1284
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: pay to see it. But point being is, yeah, I

1285
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: expect step A to be the one to make the

1286
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: adaptations here. Does he go for takedowns, does he pump

1287
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: the jab, does he use pushkicks or or or what

1288
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: does he do? I expect DC to do the same

1289
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: thing he always does. He's gonna walk him down. Who wins?

1290
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: You know, we'll see. Okay, this is from hovey E

1291
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Speaker 1: D L.

1292
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 2: C Luke.

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00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: Do you think McGregor gets parier if A Beatsabib? In

1294
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: other words, would they give Connor the fight or would

1295
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: they give Habib the immediate rematch?

1296
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 2: I would one million percent give Connor the fight. I'm

1297
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 2: gonna walk right over you and step in on that.

1298
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so. I think I think Abib

1299
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: would get the immediate remap.

1300
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: Not hell no, would he?

1301
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: Why I understand the argument Connor is all power.

1302
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 2: Do you know where they dream it would be for?

1303
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: Not even Connor's all powerful? You know what to dream?

1304
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 2: It would be for the UFC because you know they

1305
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 2: want to do a Connor Habibe rematch because the first

1306
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: one broke the pay per view record, and the second

1307
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: one would add on to that. Do you know how

1308
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: mustful they would be to get the rematch with Connor

1309
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: as the champion? Are you kidding me?

1310
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. Still, part of me feels

1311
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: like to be the first person to beat Habib and

1312
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: you don't get an immediate rematch if you're Habib, that

1313
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: seems a little crazy.

1314
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 2: What would Dustin Purie make more money with a rematch

1315
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 2: with Hibib or a title fight against Connor? In a rematch, I.

1316
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: Think he'd make a lot. Well, yes, he'd make more

1317
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: with Connor, but he would make a He would make

1318
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: a metric time fighting Habiba.

1319
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: The UFC proven that they're in the Habib business. Do

1320
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 2: they see him as a company man? I don't think so.

1321
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: They're taking the fight to Abu Dhabi, I know, but.

1322
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 2: I think overall they realize he's a little bit of

1323
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 2: a loose cannon and somebody who will sit down on

1324
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 2: his own principles and somebody who's willing.

1325
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: To he's a loose cannon.

1326
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 2: A loose cannon from the standpoint of.

1327
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: He had one incident with one fighter.

1328
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: He's never all right, you're taking my loose cannon thing

1329
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: to meet to mean brawling outside the cage. I'm talking

1330
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: about loose cannon from the idea of threatening the UFC

1331
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: on multiple occasions before he was champion, and after that

1332
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,919
Speaker 2: he would on my show on time. So you get

1333
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 2: the point. You could you need to eat no merita

1334
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 2: sandwich after that I.

1335
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: Did needed no merita sandwich. Yeah, that's a good point.

1336
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: I'll go with that. Still, though, I don't know to

1337
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: be undefeated in the most talent rich division. Frankly, this

1338
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: is not just the best division. This is the best

1339
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: division ever. Yes, is the deepest, the most dangerous, and

1340
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: it's the most crazy at the top. And you're the

1341
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: first guy to dethrone the champion and they don't give

1342
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: the champion. That seems a little hard men to believe.

1343
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: But you know, Connor Changes.

1344
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 2: Would be drooling off the side of his mouth if

1345
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: Dustin won.

1346
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: Do you think so?

1347
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 2: Yes, you might be right.

1348
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what, I'm just holding onto

1349
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: this sense of justice for social justice, would you know,

1350
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: for meritocratic norms like you would think if you actually

1351
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: accomplish something that significant, the UFC would well, you know what,

1352
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: I'll say this. Let's say he defends a takedown enough

1353
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: and then knocks out of be That's one scenario. What

1354
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: if he gets a wonky decision.

1355
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 2: The wonky decision, you have to run that back.

1356
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, run So if it's if it's like the point

1357
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, Dustin won that before they go

1358
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,959
Speaker 1: to the scorecards or he knocks them out or something.

1359
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: Does he exit that arena on one piece if he

1360
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 2: gets a wonky division?

1361
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it does. I never listen Abdabi,

1362
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: But Dustin is not the kind of guy to like

1363
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: antagonize people in that way. He just wants it was

1364
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: his words twenty five minutes to make life fair. There

1365
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: you go.

1366
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that all right.

1367
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: Last, but not least, I am not equipped to answer

1368
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: this question. Rich P rich P top Tier says, what

1369
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: fighter has the best Instagram account? And why I don't

1370
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: follow a lot of fun?

1371
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 2: Well, there's there's two kinds of Instagram accounts and two

1372
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: kinds of answers to this, right, one answer that we

1373
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 2: can give on this show let me, and then answer

1374
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 2: we can give on the on the Patreon after hours.

1375
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: God wow.

1376
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: So basically he's asking me, do you want to know

1377
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: my male answer or my female answer.

1378
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: You really are a simple man, I guess. Yeah. Go ahead.

1379
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: So he's asking the question, you brought it up, do it.

1380
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 2: Well? First of all, I'm team chef Chank on Instagram. Okay,

1381
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: I give you a lot of interesting things. They travel

1382
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: a lot, they'll shoot weapons, they're they're kind of sneaky

1383
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: hot your.

1384
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: Thoughts, uh? Is that your answer? What about?

1385
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 2: What about to give that to me?

1386
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: What about? What about in the men's side, See.

1387
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: You're not a social media guy, are you?

1388
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: Reluctantly?

1389
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 2: John Jones is actually a great follow because of his

1390
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: willingness to talk trash with fans and other fights.

1391
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:30,919
Speaker 1: Is that right?

1392
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, just completely respond to things that maybe if

1393
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 2: you were his pr consult he'd say, maybe shouldn't.

1394
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: Don't do that? Yeah, I don't do. I don't follow

1395
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: either of them. I would say, who's a good follow

1396
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: that I follow? You know what, He's not a fighter

1397
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: in the MMA sense if you love beefs with just

1398
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: feuding all the time, dude, Gordon Ryan over at Henzo's

1399
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: my man. First of all, he is coming back from

1400
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: a knee surgery and I think he's trying to I

1401
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: don't know if he's competing at ACC or not, but

1402
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: just constantly beefing dude, beefing with Robert Drysdale, beefing with

1403
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: Andre Galva, beefing with people at the gym, beefing with

1404
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: Jim Ownership. Like all the time he is lighting somebody up.

1405
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of drama.

1406
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: You stay Northcote Instagram fans here. I drew through the

1407
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 2: drive through McDonald's shirt list. The next day is like, I.

1408
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: Follow, I follow like World's Strongest Man on Instagram, Ben Pollock,

1409
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: I follow Kaylor Woolhem Unleash the Weast, I follow Johnny Candido,

1410
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: I follow all the weightlifting donks, Lasha Tella Hodzie. Uh yeah,

1411
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: so anyway, I just follow. I just follow the weightlifting donks.

1412
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: I don't follow a lot of fighters on Twitter. So

1413
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: I would give you, Gordon.

1414
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to take away.

1415
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: You can't give a right, Gordon, Ryan is my answer?

1416
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: Are you going to La or Anaheim for the fights

1417
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: this weekend? I will not be here ging this one.

1418
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: Well, you know, July was a busy travel month. Yeah,

1419
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: I've got to kind of see my kids before they

1420
00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: get old to move out.

1421
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand. I am not going to go to

1422
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,919
Speaker 1: this one either. I think the last time they were there,

1423
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, was to fourteen No fourteen when

1424
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: Jones came back and fought d C but then had

1425
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: the issue right afterwards. So that is going to be

1426
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: the place.

1427
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: Where where was the site when John Jones said he

1428
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 2: didn't like you?

1429
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: That was that?

1430
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 2: That was that?

1431
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: Yeah? That was that? That was that was So that

1432
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: fight was a Saturday, and that presser was like a Wednesday.

1433
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: So we actually passed the anniversary. That was it two years?

1434
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: No more than that? Hello, when was that two years ago?

1435
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: Four years ago?

1436
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 2: That was the summer of twenty seventeen, so.

1437
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: It was two years ago. Yeah, two years ago. Got

1438
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: a lot of social media follows out of that, So right,

1439
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: so thanks, No such thing as bad press, right, I

1440
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: want to say it's no such thing, but bad press

1441
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: is overstated as bad I'll say that you're.

1442
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: Gonna give us any Epstein compiracy theories here. Let's move on.

1443
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 2: Let's move on.

1444
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: I think that's the end of it. We're done here.

1445
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 2: So okay, So to odds and ends?

1446
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: You got any odds and ends? Yes? What's your odds

1447
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: and ends?

1448
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah? Boxing this past week? Anybody that caught on

1449
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: his own. Golden Boy welterweight prospect Virgil Ortiz Junior is

1450
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: for real fourteen and oh with fourteen, Ko stepped up

1451
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 2: up in class against Antonio Rosco, a guy who just

1452
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 2: gave unified junior waltweight champion Jose Ramirez the business a

1453
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 2: year ago. When you're trying to gauge, when you're watching

1454
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 2: a young fighter who's climbing, are they the real? Do

1455
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 2: they have it? I look at the instincts to finish.

1456
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: This is a kid who can knock you out with

1457
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 2: both hands. And when he had Orosco on the ropes

1458
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: after a couple of rounds in which Erosco had battled back,

1459
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 2: in that sixth round he put him down three times,

1460
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 2: vicious uppercuts, just the you know, it's a hometown fight,

1461
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 2: which boxing is starting to wake up, Luke. They're starting

1462
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 2: to go, oh, we got a guy who can draw

1463
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 2: a crowd. Let's put it in his hometown if it's

1464
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 2: not a pay per view fight, and get the heck

1465
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 2: out of these casinos. And this was one of those

1466
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 2: where you get that feeling that Golden Boy maybe in

1467
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 2: trouble with this Canalo situation. Like we talked about this

1468
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 2: is a good guy to hang your hat on though,

1469
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 2: and afterwards he had a little bit of a speech.

1470
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 2: Basically it sounded a bit like remember when Shuge Knight

1471
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 2: came out there at the Source Awards at time and

1472
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 2: was talking about people producers dancing in the videos.

1473
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: It kind of videos.

1474
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was kind of like that where he's like

1475
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 2: Oscardella Hoy and Golden Boy, you know, oh, like yeah,

1476
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 2: so it was. It was interesting. This is the guy

1477
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 2: you can build a wrong, so keep your eye off

1478
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: for him.

1479
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: Last, but not least, if you guys are not following.

1480
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: One of the most successful promotions in sport jiu jitsu

1481
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: is something called Fight to Win Pro And the reason

1482
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: why I like it is because at the top of

1483
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: the card they'll get legitimately good. They had a one

1484
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: bout that was amazing. They had Travis Stevens, who is

1485
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: a He's a black belt in judo and a black

1486
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: belt in jiu jitsu and jiu jitsu under John Danaher.

1487
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: He was a silver medallist in the Olympics, and he

1488
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: went up against one of my favorite grapplers, Ureisavoice, and

1489
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: it was an interesting battle back and forth. Long story,

1490
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Speaker 1: short they'll put a nice bout at the top of

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Speaker 1: the card, but then they'll have local black Belts and

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Speaker 1: local Browns and purples all go against each other. So

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Speaker 1: has it you he has a communal feel. It has

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Speaker 1: a communal feel. So I've had friends computing on Fights

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Speaker 1: and Win Pro. I had a friend compete this last

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Speaker 1: week and the one in Austin. I think the long

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Speaker 1: story short is on this one at the top they had.

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Speaker 1: I always get her name wrong. It's Natalie Dejesu's. I

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Speaker 1: think it's longer than that. She took on Gabby Garcia.

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Speaker 1: You know Gabby Garcia. She's like two hundred and fifty pounds,

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Speaker 1: all bricked up. She beats up old ladies in Japan. Uh,

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Speaker 1: gabiard lost. She lost at Fight to Win Pro. Natalie.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm partates pronouncing her name. She didn't get

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Speaker 1: the submission, but she went for submission submission, subission, submission,

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Speaker 1: and all all Gabby did was just stacker on top

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Speaker 1: and they gave a judge's decision to old Natalie. So

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Speaker 1: congrats to her winning at Fight to Win Pro again

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Speaker 1: hugely undersized.

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Speaker 2: All right, Hey, Mackenzie Durn's coming back by the way

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Speaker 2: UFC Tampa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I've heard.

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Speaker 2: A tough mother. Also, you like that? You like that

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Speaker 2: main event, right, Karate Hotty and Boogie Woman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay.

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Speaker 2: Really yeah, it doesn't doesn't doesn't move your needle that much.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe I don't know you that well, right.

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Speaker 1: You know what? Fotus bro fotus. All right, we gotta

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Speaker 1: get out of here. You can follow me on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: Luke Thomas News there. You can follow him at Brian C. Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at b Campbell's CBS on Twitter. Hey, check out

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Speaker 2: my weekly podcast with Rashaan Evans, The State of Combat

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Speaker 2: on CBS Sports. How's that for a plug?

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Speaker 1: It is quite good? All right, We got to get

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Speaker 1: out of here. Thank you guys so much for watching.

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Speaker 1: Like the video, subscribe to the channel. We'll see you'll

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Speaker 1: next time, and until then, all of your gains be lower.