1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: All right, third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Now we are continue to follow very closely all the 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: latest developments in the breaking news that's coming out about 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: the horrific shooting in Minneapolis at the Annunciation Church, and 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: we know now that it was a trans terrorist. We 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: know that two children were killed, four are in critical 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: conditional hospital, others wounded, but they will be okay. We're 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: joined now by our friend David Rutherford. He's a former 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: Navy seal and CIA contractor, a combat veteran, and host 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: of the David Rutherford Show podcast, which is on the 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: Clay and Buck Network and is growing every single month 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: since we've had him on, as I knew it would, 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: because more and more of you realize that's a show 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: you should be listening to. Dave Rutt as I call him, Rutt, 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: tell me let's start with this. You see this, We 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: know it's heartbreaking from a security and tactical perspective. This 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: guy comes in, the guy, this guy in, he's firing 18 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: off rifle a few minutes there. Do you think that 19 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: our armed security presence at the church is the only thing? 20 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: I mean, how do you assess this in terms of 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,279 Speaker 1: the security aspects of this. 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: Well, Buck, thanks once. First of all, thank you to 23 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 2: you and Clay for having me on. My heart goes 24 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: out to the families, to the people who work at 25 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: the church, and to the police officers, everybody involved in this, 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: people who work at the hospitals, and the kids most especially. 27 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: This is absolutely preventable. The problem is is it requires 28 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: a focused and concerted effort by organizations that are soft 29 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: targets like churches, like schools. And I think you know, yes, 30 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: if you were to have an armed security guard at 31 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: the front gate, it would change. I remember back after 32 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: the shooting down here in South Florida a few years back, 33 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: I went into my kids school and I laid it 34 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: out for him and I said, here's your autions. You know, One, 35 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: you create a fortress so nobody can penetrate the perimeter, 36 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: which is incredibly expensive. Do you arm your teachers, your staff, 37 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: the people who work there. Or three, which requires a 38 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 2: tremendous amount of training. Or three you hired an arm 39 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 2: security guard, a former cop, a former military, someone that's 40 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: got a lot of training, understands, you know, control in 41 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 2: the different levels of threat and how to respond. And 42 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 2: they chose the third one. Put this wonderful guy Aubrey 43 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: out in front of the school, and all the parents 44 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: felt great because the guy's an armed security guard at 45 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 2: the exterior of the school. So yeah, that's the way 46 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: you respond to the possibility of these types of things, 47 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: because they're going to keep happening. 48 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 3: I agree with everything you just said. We had a 49 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 3: caller from southern California. I believe her name was Katie, 50 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 3: a mom who said, Hey, my kids go to Catholic 51 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 3: school and we've got armed security. My kids have gone 52 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 3: both to public school KA six and then they go 53 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 3: to private school seven to twelve, and we have armed 54 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: security at all of their schools. Is it a no 55 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 3: brainer to you that as we look at all of 56 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 3: these situations, the reason schools are often attacked is because 57 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 3: they do not have In fact, we know what the transshooter. 58 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: She actually staked out in Nashville the school in advance 59 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: to see what she needed to do to get to 60 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: those schools and chose a school that did not have security. 61 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 3: Isn't it just a no brainer in all fifty states 62 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: that we should have armed security at every school. 63 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 4: Absolutely, Clay. 64 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: I mean, now where we're at, whether you go to Uvaldi, 65 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: you go to Audrey Hale, or you go to Devin Erickson, 66 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: or you go to all these and Butler, all these 67 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: shooters that are that are coming out. Yeah, they're picking 68 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: soft targets for a reason. I mean, I can't even 69 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: tell you how many times where we would do an 70 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: assessment of a target that we were going to go 71 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: hit or take down or do a snatch. And when 72 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: we did the assessment after you know, the we did 73 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: a reconnaissance on on the you know, the the place 74 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: we were going to hit, and we saw, oh god, 75 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: there's two dudes there. They've got all day CA's, they 76 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: don't have kids. I mean, it's like, oh, this is incredible. Well, 77 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: it's the same thing that these these you know, demented, 78 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: mentally unstable human beings are looking for. They're looking for 79 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 2: soft targets. So it's what it should be. The most 80 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 2: you know, fundamental thing that we predect above all else 81 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: in this world, and that's our children. So yeah, one 82 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 2: hundred percent we should have armed guards. 83 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: Speaking to David Rutherford, host of The David Rutherford Show 84 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: on the Klambuk Podcast Network, hope you have all had 85 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: a chance to listen. If you haven't, please go check 86 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,119 Speaker 1: it out. They can listen wherever you get your wherever 87 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: you get your podcast. The iHeart app is the best 88 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: place to start. iHeartRadio app. And David, you know you're 89 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: also I mean I know rud very well. Rob was 90 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: a combat medic, so you understand and have seen gunshot 91 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: wounds in real life and had to deal with them. 92 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: What can you tell us? I mean, I don't know 93 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,679 Speaker 1: if you heard, Dave. We played earlier in the show 94 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: one of a representative from the hospital who was saying, 95 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: we've got four who are in critical and then we've 96 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: got a number of others who have been treated in 97 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: the hospital but they are stay. Sorry, how many plays seven? 98 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: Seven who are treated but stable in the hospital. So 99 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: we those the seven that are stable, right, that's looking good. 100 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: Those look like kids, are adults, They're going to be okay. 101 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: The four who are critical is the primary at this point? 102 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: Is is it just they've stopped the bleeding? Is is 103 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: it organ damage and repair that these doctors are working 104 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: against the clock to do like what has to happen 105 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: here that we can get the best possible news out 106 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: of this hospital that there are no more fatalities. 107 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: I think you know the challenges and I watched the 108 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: video that was on YouTube before they pulled it. There's 109 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 2: a bunch of people posting it right now. So I 110 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: went through and he he has a vivid breakdown of 111 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: the weapons systems that he brought into it. You know, 112 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 2: he had an ar platform, a shotgun, he had a 113 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: night that look like a nine mil in a thirty 114 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: eight that he said he was going to use for 115 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: his for his own death if that, if it came 116 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: to that. So I mean when you look at every 117 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: one of those calibers, uh, they're all catastrophic injuries if 118 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 2: you hit h in obviously, any any vitals, yeah, yeah, 119 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 2: any vitals, so like for moral break, your break, the 120 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: old arteries, anything like that. But you also have if 121 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: you have a like an open sucking chess wound and 122 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: you know, a pind of penetrating trauma to the thoracic cavity, 123 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 2: you know. And the challenge is is you have first 124 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 2: responders who show up who don't have any medical training. 125 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: So just being able to contain bleeding out like direct pressure, 126 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: uh probably, you know, if if cops are first responders, 127 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: thank god, they'll have tourniquits on their kits. And then 128 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: but you know, the other ones that are difficult are 129 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: that penetrating trauma to the chests, because then all of 130 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: a sudden you can go into tension new mohemo thorax 131 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: where that you know that your lung collapses from you know, 132 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: the thoracic cavity filling with blood. And the problem with 133 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: those is typically most patients, adults, adult men that I've 134 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: seen have suffered from those injuries, they they can resist. 135 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: But kids, kids crash fast, especially with these types of 136 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: tastrophic injuries. So that's the real concern I would have 137 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: as a combat medic. Hunt showing up is one, absolutely, 138 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: you know, triaging who has the worst injuries, stopping blood 139 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: and then really fixating on on airway right, making sure 140 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: they're perfusing oxygen in the best possible way. 141 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, regardless, So so this but the 142 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: seven who are stable rut, they're going to be. Okay, 143 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: it's those four that we're praying for who are still critical. 144 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: Right, maybe they could have they could have they could 145 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: you know, let's say it it grazed their liver or 146 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: their kidneys or their stomach. You know, post infection from 147 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: operations is a significance. 148 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: Okay, So there's additional so there's additional concerns. So we 149 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: got to have prayers up for every single person who's 150 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: been treated in that hospital meeting that no one's no 151 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: one's out of the woods totally yet. 152 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 5: Also it's like you're you're you're only okay when you're okay, right, 153 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 5: because the nature of gunshot injuries can can is really 154 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 5: difficult to know and tell. 155 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 4: You're all the way through and. 156 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 3: You're through a couple of other details that are coming out. 157 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 3: Let me hit you guys with this. It's looking more 158 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 3: and more like a Covenant school shooting situation. Reports that 159 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: this shooter that his mom was a former employee at 160 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 3: the school, so there was a connection potentially from this transhooter, 161 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 3: as the prior transhooter also had a connection to the 162 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: religious school that she shot up. Appears this guy may 163 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: have also done it. And we mentioned this before, but 164 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 3: I just want to reiterate. Court documents show that when 165 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: this person was seventeen years old, he legally changed his 166 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 3: name from male to female and began to identify as 167 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 3: a woman, so as a minor for people out there, 168 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 3: as a miner, this individual who went on to shoot 169 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: up the school was deciding to identify as a different 170 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 3: as a different gender. So this was happening again in 171 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 3: youth and person I think is twenty two years old. 172 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: Now what should we do? 173 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: Rother I? 174 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 3: Buck and I both are of the opinion, and I 175 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 3: understand we're probably going to get attacked to the high 176 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 3: heavens for this. But I think Buck said it well, 177 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 3: where if someone has bulimia, you don't tell them they 178 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 3: look great and they should continue to not eat. 179 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: If you are less are bolimia is throwing up? 180 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 3: But yes, similarly, Okay, I'm thankfully not an expert in 181 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: the in the eating disorder universe, but you don't reinforce 182 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: the health condition and the mental illness when you say, hey, yes, 183 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 3: you are an actual girl or you're an actual boy. 184 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 3: Aren't we just creating, in conjunction with all of these 185 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: drugs that were pumping into people's bodies during this a 186 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 3: recipe for disaster after disaster. 187 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. 188 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 4: Absolutely. 189 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: I think what we've categorically proven over the last you know, 190 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: all the way back to Columbine, is that many, many, many, 191 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: many children, thousands and thousands, tens of thousands of children 192 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 2: are being medicated at early ages, right much less, you know, 193 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 2: the hormone blockers and the stuff that's going on with 194 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: with that type of madness out there for these young kids. 195 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: What's interesting is when I read the pages from his manifesto, 196 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: he was very complimentary to his parents. You didn't do 197 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: anything wrong. This is just me, you know. He even 198 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: told his siblings, I'm sorry what I'm going to do 199 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: to your life. 200 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 5: You know. 201 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: But the Keia, you know, is the last piece on 202 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: that that that manifesto for me, and it says, you know, PPS. 203 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: He does a PS to his siblings, get you know, 204 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 2: get over the argument with your mom and you. Then 205 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: he goes to PPS and he goes I wouldn't recommend 206 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: any of you to read my journals, Comma, unless you 207 00:11:55,320 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 2: really want to Comma, but be warned so you know, 208 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: there is a mental health reality to this individual that 209 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: goes way before twenty seventeen. And I'm sure if a 210 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: psychologist or a forensic psychologist or whoever criminal psychologist goes 211 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 2: and we look at the profile of these journals and 212 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: these other manifestos, you see a fundamentally broken human being 213 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: that no longer is able to concoct a reason for living. 214 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: And he actually says this in the earlier pages of 215 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: that I hate how painful life is. I don't find 216 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 2: a reason for shooting. And then when you watch the 217 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: video of him walking around, it's homicidal in nature. Right, 218 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 2: there's an underlying concurrent like there's pleasure that he's going 219 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: to receive from this final act of his you know, 220 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 2: very problematic and confused life. 221 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: David Rutherford, go everyone check out the David Rutherford podcast. 222 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: Former Navy seal and a good friend of ours, Dave Frutt, 223 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: appreciate you being with us. 224 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 4: Man. 225 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again soon. 226 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: Thank you, God bless you. 227 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: Jents you too hard. Look, it wasn't even a year 228 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: ago that there was a dementia puppet in the White 229 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: House who had given up when it comes to the 230 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: AI race and figured we'll let other people take the lead. Well, 231 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: thankfully the Trump administration has taken the stance that the 232 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: AI race is critical to our future. Trump Jesus is 233 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: a crucial technology for Americans, for businesses in this country, 234 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: for our defense capabilities, all of it. And he has 235 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: identified a White House AI and cryptos ours you know, 236 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: to be very involved in this race. And there's this 237 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: period right now we're in We're developing AI technology is 238 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: going to determine the future of America. I'm calling this 239 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: the Manhattan Project too, because it's necessary for us to 240 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: take a lead now in the AI arms race, and 241 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: this administration is preparing a two point two point two 242 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: trillion dollar counter strike against the Chinese advances. In this look, 243 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: it's a really important story and I break it all 244 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: down for you in a brand new interview. And there 245 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: are companies that I believe could soar as a result 246 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: of this as well. This is a new exciting project 247 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm a part of. I want you to really please 248 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: go check this out. Find this interview and all the 249 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: details online at a new website. We're gonna take this 250 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: off air, so to speak. The website is off air 251 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: twenty five dot com. Let me repeat this, off air 252 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: twenty five dot com. It's a deep dive for you 253 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: to see on what Trump is doing to help us 254 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: win the AI race, but also the companies that can 255 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: be affected by this that can make a huge difference 256 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: when it comes to investments in your portfolio. Offair twenty 257 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: five dot com. This is my new project that I 258 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: have launched. I want you to please go check it out. 259 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: It's Buck Sexton. For those of you who sometimes you 260 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: get me confused with the other guy for by Paradigm Press. 261 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 6: You know him as conservative radio hosts. Now just get 262 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 6: to know them as guys on this Sunday Hang podcast 263 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 6: with Clay and Buck. 264 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 3: Find it in their podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app 265 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 3: or wherever you get your podcasts. A lot of people 266 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 3: weighing in thanks to David Rutherford, one of our excellent 267 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 3: Clay and Buck podcasting network members, and any he. 268 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: Was just on. 269 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: He was just on the Sean Ryan Show for seven 270 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: hours by the way, and doing like, you know, huge 271 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: huge numbers there. So h Rutherford is uh, you know, 272 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: he comes into Clay and Buck world and he's becoming 273 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: a household name. He's a very talented guy. 274 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would point out, uh, whatever type of 275 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: show you want. We talked to Carol Markowitz earlier, who 276 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 3: broke the news about who this shooter was in Minneapolis. 277 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 3: She and Mary Catherine Ham do a great show together 278 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:57,239 Speaker 3: normally about just being moms. Uh. We've got Nicole Safire 279 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 3: on the Maha side. We've got a lot of really 280 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 3: good perspectives. Obviously, Rutherford on the Special Ops world, and 281 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: we used to have Sean Parnell, who is now the 282 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: chief spokesperson of the Pentagon. Anyway, if you haven't checked 283 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 3: it out, go dive in and look at the entire 284 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 3: podcast network. We were sad to lose our good friend Sean, 285 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 3: but we were like, serving your country in the e 286 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 3: ring of the Pentagon will allow it, will allow it. 287 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: You know VIP email from Norman. If this person is 288 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 3: trans and has had puberty blockers, aren't they under medical care? 289 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 3: What role has the doctor had in this? I believe 290 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 3: trans is a mental issue, but if doctors are part 291 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 3: of the problem, the insane asylum will not be a solution. 292 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: That's a very good point, by the way, on that 293 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: doctor's issue. They are part of the problem with this. 294 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: I think that doctors doing trans surgeries, particularly those on miners, 295 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: should be bankrupted. This is where to me, the plaintiff 296 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: lawyers out there who are listening you guys, should be 297 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 3: I believe, for society's benefit, looking for these young people 298 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 3: who had these surgeries before they really knew what in 299 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 3: the world was going on. It's one thing for a 300 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 3: twelve or thirteen year old who doesn't know any better 301 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 3: to make a choice but for an entire medical establishment 302 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 3: to affirm that choice to the point where they become 303 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 3: sterilized where where their sex organs are. Sometimes this is crazy, 304 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 3: this is barbaric, and I think sometimes this is where 305 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 3: the plaintiff lawyers can make society far better by suing 306 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 3: so that the hospitals and the doctors understand, Yeah, we 307 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 3: can't do this anymore purely for financial reasons. There are consequences. 308 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 3: I think that should be happening right now. 309 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: Totally agree. We'll take more calls talkbacks from you on 310 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: this one. Obviously the biggest story of the day today, 311 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: and we want to continue this discussion. So I'm defending 312 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: yourself obviously something we're all thinking about. And Saber, if 313 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: you're looking for non lethal options, is simply the best 314 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: in class. There's nobody else out there who is as 315 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: trusted when it comes to pepper launchers, pepper sprays, pepper gels, 316 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: and a whole range of other home defense products. 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That's s A b 327 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: r E. Go to Saber radio dot com. That's Saber 328 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: radio dot com. You'll say fifteen percent there or call 329 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: this number eight four four A two four safe. Eight 330 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: four four eight two four safe. Welcome back in here 331 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: to Clay and Buck. So, Clay, you have some updates 332 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: for us on the story of the of the mass 333 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: shooting just happened this morning in Minneapolis at the Annunciation Church. 334 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: Two children killed. A trans terrorist shooter has been identified 335 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: as the perpetrator. And you have more on the background 336 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: here of that of that demonic attacker. What can you 337 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 1: tell us? 338 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 3: Yes, Stephen Crowder has been going through and posting all 339 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 3: of the manifesto so to speak, that this this shooter 340 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 3: put out there, and I think this is so important 341 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 3: because we've had callers about this. But much like the 342 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 3: Covenant School shooting, this person did scouting to confirm that 343 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 3: he was going to be able to engage in this attack, 344 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 3: and he said, back focus my life. I am so 345 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 3: locked into the plan. Went to school this morning. Bunch 346 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 3: of stupid people there performative routines. The teachers have been 347 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 3: in the basement having their own I'm sure they briefly 348 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 3: mentioned safety and active shooter training. I'm also sure they 349 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 3: will not be expecting and attack during the first week 350 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 3: of school. 351 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: LMAO. 352 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 3: This is just chilling. This is why we need arms 353 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 3: security at schools. These crazy people are scouting out schools 354 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 3: looking at whether teachers are able to respond. And if 355 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: you are out there, and I know a lot of 356 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 3: you are with kids in schools, grandkids in schools, your teachers, 357 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 3: it is such an unbelievable no brainer to have security there. 358 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: Now. 359 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 3: To Buck's point earlier, if you go back and listen 360 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 3: early in the show, there are some things that even 361 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 3: with security guards, it's very hard to stop. If you're 362 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 3: standing outside and you've got a gun and you just 363 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 3: want to start shooting in the windows of places, it 364 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 3: is hard to stop. It's hard to stop crazy people 365 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: from being crazy. But shouldn't we put up as many 366 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 3: obstacles as we possibly can to try to stop this 367 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 3: from being able to happen at any school. And I 368 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 3: think you look at these stories, Buck, they have specifically 369 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 3: scouted in advance. These are very planned attacks to try 370 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 3: to kill as many people as possible. 371 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: We have a VP email here from Noah. He writes, 372 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: one hundred percent agree with you adding armed guards to 373 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: all schools. My girlfriend is from the Philippines and a 374 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: few years ago I went for five weeks. You can't 375 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: even walk into a McDonald's or similar style fast food 376 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: joint without an arm guard. Then go to the mall. 377 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: Each entrance has three to five arm guards with fully 378 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: automatic assault rifles and one or two with a twelve 379 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: gage shotgun. Then metal scanners. We need higher security stands, 380 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: as the Philippines is a third World country standards, I 381 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: think is what he meant there. You don't see any 382 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: smashing grabs there. The stores of the malls have two 383 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: to five people to follow you around and get you 384 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: everything food, even at some stores. Look, he's saying, you know, 385 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: there are other places where security is much more omnipresent 386 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: than it is here in some cases in America. But 387 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: at least we're talking about gathering places and places where 388 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 1: a lot of people are somewhere, they're a soft target. 389 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: And clearly this once again we had a trans terrorist 390 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: who scouted out a location and made sure there was 391 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: no armed security there and then chose that as the 392 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: site of attack. Same thing with the Covenant School shooter. 393 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: So if we're going to try to counteract this, there's 394 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: only one logical takeaway from it, which is that armed 395 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: security makes it harder to pull off this kind of 396 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: an attack, changes the calculation of the attacker and in 397 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: some cases will either thwart the attack entirely or will 398 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: mitigate casualties, which is also really important to the point 399 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: I was making. Be Forkay, Okay, maybe this individual, this 400 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: terrorist gets off a number of rounds, but instead of 401 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,959 Speaker 1: four minutes before law enforcement arrives in the scene and 402 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: he goes and kills himself, maybe it's two minutes, Maybe 403 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: it's seventy five seconds. You know, these things can be 404 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: the difference between life and death for individuals on the scene, 405 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: and we've had in recent weeks. Even there was a 406 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: wasn't it the mass stabbing and an armed good guy 407 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: with a gun in the parking lot stop the mass stabber. 408 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 3: Remember was it in Missouri? I believe you guys can 409 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 3: look it up. But where the guy with his own gun? 410 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 3: Somebody went into the food court, if I remember, and 411 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 3: it was just a bystander took him out before he 412 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 3: could injure a lot of people. I feel like it 413 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 3: was in Missouri somewhere. Do you remember that there's a 414 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,959 Speaker 3: very well known Clipclay. I don't remember where. In Texas. 415 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 3: Some of you will know where right away, but in Texas, 416 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 3: I believe. I'm pretty sure it was in Texas at. 417 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: A church a guy came in with a shotgun, a 418 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: deranged maniac yep shot someone and then there was a 419 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: lifetime concealed Carrie instructor. I mean, exactly the guy you 420 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: want pulling security anywhere he drawed. He was able to 421 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: draw down and put one shot headshot from like forty 422 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 1: feet away and stop the threat from killing more people. 423 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: And it was a remarkable marksmanship. And you know that happens. 424 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: We have proof that this happens. 425 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 3: Let me Go podcast listener, are asks a really good 426 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 3: question that I think is worth examining. 427 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: R Are. 428 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 7: Clan Buck. I agree with the gentleman's comments from South 429 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 7: Carolina about the doctors. But you need to go one 430 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 7: step further. Who is paying the doctors? Healthcare state? Whoever 431 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 7: shut that down first, go after them. No doctor's going 432 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 7: to be doing this for free or very few. Go 433 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 7: to the root of the problem. It's whoever's paying for it. 434 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, I think this goes to an important 435 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 3: part of this story, which is they are classifying in 436 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 3: many different respects transsurgery as necessary very medical care, which 437 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 3: means that insurance is often paying for these trans surgeries. 438 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 3: And I think it's a good point being raised. First 439 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 3: of all, they aren't necessary medical care. And I'll give 440 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 3: you an example. Cosmetic procedures are generally not covered by insurance. 441 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 3: Now sometimes they are exceptions. Right, so if you had 442 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 3: a double misectomy, you could have breast replacement surgery as 443 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 3: part of your recovery from breast cancer. I think most 444 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 3: of you out there would say, yes, I can understand 445 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 3: why that would be necessary. But you don't typically just 446 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 3: get to have cosmetic surgery and have it paid for 447 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 3: by your insurance. Right, So when they are classifying this 448 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 3: as medically necessary, that is significant because it's then getting 449 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: insurance to pay for these surgeries. This shouldn't be I mean, 450 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 3: if this should be seen as a cosmetic surgery that 451 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 3: you have to pay one hundred percent out of pocket for, 452 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 3: that would at least dial back I would think some 453 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: of the surgeries that are taking place. And again, I 454 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: think we have to have a real conversation. And I'm 455 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 3: not trying to be mean, because I think a lot 456 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 3: of people out there, particularly women, are afraid of being 457 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 3: seen as mean on this issue. But I do think 458 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 3: the discussion surrounding it's not kind to tell people who 459 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 3: have a mental illness that their mental illness is real. 460 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 3: It's actually deeply cruel to play along with that. With 461 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: a serious psychotic break or delusion, it's a cruel thing 462 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 3: to do. Buck talked about eating disorder, same thing with schizophrenia. 463 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 3: If someone is seeing things that are not actually there, 464 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 3: if someone is hearing voices that are not actually there, 465 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 3: it isn't considered to be a kind thing to say, oh, 466 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 3: I hear those voices too, I see what you are seeing. 467 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 3: It does not in any way help the health of 468 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 3: the person to believe their mental illness is real. That's 469 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 3: what we've done with the trans community. 470 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: The more and I talked about the implementation or the 471 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: desire to implement uh Sharia based amputations in Pakistan and 472 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: appened in Malaysia and a province of Malaysia as well. 473 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: And this is within living memory, and there was there 474 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: was pushback on this from the medical communities there. Uh, 475 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: many of whom were trained internationally, of course. 476 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 4: Right. 477 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: So if you trained, you know, in the UK in 478 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: in medicine and then you go back to Pakistan, they're saying, hey, 479 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: this guy, I don't you know, he did something bad, 480 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: cut his hand off, But but use anesthesia. They're like, no, 481 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not going to do that, Like, that's 482 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: not what you know. Do no harm is a very 483 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: good foundation for for us for modern meds. Do no 484 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: harm is the number one start of medical care. And 485 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: there is a there is a mental health Uh, there 486 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: there's a mental illness called body integrity identity disorder b 487 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: i i D. We've talked about it before. It is 488 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: a when a a person believes that a it's usually 489 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: a limb, that a limb is they should not have 490 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: it and if it were removed, they would be happier. 491 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: You might say, buck, you are saying, fuck, this is crazy. Yes, 492 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: it is one hundred percent crazy. It is crazy. The 493 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: way that somebody who is skin and bones thinks they 494 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: are fat because they are severely anorexic, and that happens. 495 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: I knew somebody growing up. A friend of mine's sister 496 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: almost died from anorexia. You know, it's a serious mental 497 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: health issue that should be treated, and you know these 498 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: people need help. They need help. The point here is 499 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: not to stigmatize it. No, the point is to help people. 500 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: But what doesn't help them is to play. What doesn't 501 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: help is, oh, you have body and identity integrity identity disorder. 502 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: You're right, you don't need that left leg. Let's help 503 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: you safely amputated, and then you can hop around on 504 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: one leg the rest of your life, because that will 505 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: make you happier. What is the difference someone, The difference 506 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: is this has become a left wing fad. This has 507 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: become part of the communist the under destruction ideology that 508 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: the left has been pushing for decades now, and we 509 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: finally see how far they're willing to go. Let's go ahead, 510 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: Clay No. 511 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 3: I think that's I think it's really well said, and 512 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 3: I think this is a good example of toxic empathy, 513 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 3: where we are being taken advantage of by trying to 514 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 3: be kind, and it actually is profoundly unkind. We're not 515 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 3: helping the people here by trying to be kind. It's 516 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 3: important to have a real conversation about what's going on, 517 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 3: and that's what we're trying to do here. 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Find 560 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 6: it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you. 561 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: Get your podcasts. 562 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 3: Closing the Wednesday edition of the program, we had a 563 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 3: big discussion, unfortunately again if you just get in your car, 564 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 3: the brutal killing eight and ten year old kids in 565 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 3: church pews in Minneapolis. A lot of the news breaking 566 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 3: during the course of the program. We have been covering 567 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 3: it and having a conversation about that that probably you're 568 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 3: not going to hear in most media because some of 569 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 3: the details make many people on the left uncomfortable about 570 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 3: who's doing much of the shooting out there. And uh, 571 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 3: let's go to Jill in Pennsylvania. She's got a question 572 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 3: for us, Jill, what you got. 573 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: All right? 574 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 3: Not that Jill did not show up? What about Joe 575 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 3: and Florida? Joe, what you got for us? 576 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 4: How you talking to me. 577 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: Yes, if your name is Joe and your contra, you're 578 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: firing away. Yep. 579 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 4: Okay. First of all, thanks for taking my call, and 580 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 4: this is not to play my call, but I want 581 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 4: to express my sympathies for argument, the victims and their family, 582 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 4: the community there in. 583 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: Minneapolis for this for sure. 584 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 4: The point I called to make though, is about this 585 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 4: transgender surgery, especially on children. First question and the point 586 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 4: of imposing, is the question, if secondary sexual characteristics like 587 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 4: genitalia and breaths do not define gender, then how does 588 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 4: surgically altering them affirm gender. 589 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: It's an excellent argument that they have no answer to. 590 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 4: Sir. 591 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: Let me say you you're you're kind of like mic drop. 592 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you're completely correct. If it's not about the 593 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: physical structures, why must they change the physical structures to 594 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: be the to be the new thing. That's a great point. 595 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: And then you had a secondary point. 596 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 4: Second point is everybody seems to have forgotten a few 597 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 4: years ago. When do you remember the outcry about the 598 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 4: female circumcision was it was appropriately decry as horrific genital mutilation. 599 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 3: Many yes, in many different and African communities, this was unacceptable. 600 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: But continue the very wide spread. It was going on 601 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: a lot of sub Soheran African communities. 602 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, cride is horrific and unacceptable on adults. How is 603 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 4: that now acceptable on children? 604 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 3: I think you nailed two arguments that expose much of 605 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 3: the illegitimacy of the toxic empathy that has led to 606 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 3: this being accepted. Buck, I think you probably would sign 607 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 3: off on this, and I think many people out there 608 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 3: have been taken advantage of on this issue because you're 609 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,919 Speaker 3: trying to be kind. You feel bad that someone has 610 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 3: an idea that they are not in the body they 611 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 3: should be in and has convinced themselves that if they 612 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 3: were a different gender, that is the pathway to happiness 613 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 3: for them. Increasingly, however, I think all of the data 614 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 3: out there is showing that the surgeries do not make 615 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 3: people actually happier, and that demanding that we treat a 616 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 3: mental illness as a non mental illness actually has many 617 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 3: destructive characteristics across all parts of American society. And we 618 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 3: have to treat this as a mental illness, not as 619 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 3: something where they're preying upon our kindness. And I think 620 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 3: a lot of people me you may have initially tried 621 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 3: to be kind on this issue, and ultimately it's not 622 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 3: kind to enable people's mental illnesses to get worse. 623 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: Yes, completely completely agree with that. Do we have any 624 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: Oh we got sorry? Go ahead? 625 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I was going to read this email from 626 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 3: Please don't give my name on air. My daughter is 627 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 3: an arm teacher at school. She's been trained by retired 628 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 3: Army Special Forces Navy seals. She attends training courses every 629 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 3: three or four months. A number of signs on building 630 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 3: stating there are armed security members at school. We live 631 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 3: in Missouri. I'm proud of her, yet afraid for her 632 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 3: if she has to ever use her training. Thank you 633 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 3: for your daughter doing whatever she can to try to 634 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,439 Speaker 3: protect the kids under her care. 635 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: Thinks she's a hero. Frankly, Yeah, so many veterans and 636 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: just so many Americans listening right now, who think what 637 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,439 Speaker 1: more honorable thing could you do day in and day 638 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,240 Speaker 1: out than trying to protect our kids, our kids in school, 639 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: our kids in churches. So I to me, it's just 640 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: clear that there's nothing but upside to this, to meaning 641 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: to take these actions to protect us in more and 642 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: more places. But then I'm a guy, Clay, who you know. 643 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: I go out to dinner with my brother and I 644 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: see that. You know, he's got his pistol and I 645 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: got mine, and I'm like, everyone in this restaurant is safe. 646 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: Everybody in this restaurant is safer, whether they know it 647 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: or not. And you know, those of us who know no, 648 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: and unfortunately the demo communists they think disarming us all 649 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: makes us safer. More on this tomorrow