Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why why and look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, let's ding
Speaker 1: dong culture bo. It's our three hundred first episode, a
Speaker 1: new era. Can you believe? I didn't think we would
Speaker 1: make it to five? Well, Mama, as Shania Twain once said,
Speaker 1: looks like we made it. Look how far we've become.
Speaker 1: My baby. Shania of course top of mind because of
Speaker 1: her sort of a musical dalliance i'll call it with
Speaker 1: Harry styles as of like I had, I did not
Speaker 1: watch the footage. Was it fun? The footage like it's
Speaker 1: like it's a security camera. We won't get into this
Speaker 1: chania is is much more complicated than people realize. Shania
Speaker 1: as a as a Canadian coup is complicated via v
Speaker 1: American politics. Guest, that is what you're getting at. It's
Speaker 1: not even that, it's just that like, what an interesting career?
Speaker 1: And what an interesting and I love the way you
Speaker 1: point and bowa said, what an interesting career? Like I
Speaker 1: sort of like, get off my finger. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: extremely exquisite career. I mean interesting to say the least.
Speaker 1: I mean country pop strattling the line. I mean between genres,
Speaker 1: crossover success. I mean losing her voice because of a
Speaker 1: bad divorce, regaining the voice, and then sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: using that voice to say that she'd rather vote for
Speaker 1: the one who is the straight shooter. We don't have
Speaker 1: we don't have to talk about this, but I have
Speaker 1: I have a question to ask you, which is which
Speaker 1: is a better Come On Over? Shania or Christina? God,
Speaker 1: this is like selfie's choice. Okay, So here's what I'll
Speaker 1: say in order to sort of swerve the the topic.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, come On Over as an album, which
Speaker 1: really Shania was coming Over. That's an incredible album, and
Speaker 1: I I'd be curious to know if Our Guests appled
Speaker 1: in that album because and the face that she's making
Speaker 1: would suggest guests. But coming Over as a single Christina,
Speaker 1: of course Our Guests has one of the most expansive
Speaker 1: musical palettes I think in the world. I don't doubt it.
Speaker 1: I don't because you can hear it in the tunes.
Speaker 1: You can hear in the tunes. But also like I think,
Speaker 1: she she just knows her stuff. You know, someone knows
Speaker 1: their stuff, you can tell. Yeah, a student of the
Speaker 1: form becomes a master of the forum, all right. And
Speaker 1: the reason I The reason I throw that out there
Speaker 1: is because I know our guests as a Birmingham native,
Speaker 1: which we'll get into, and that really means country music
Speaker 1: of the house down, which you can hear in the
Speaker 1: latest album. But I didn't know if that sort of
Speaker 1: crossed over into Shanaya country, which you know is a
Speaker 1: different kind of country. It's more oh and less like
Speaker 1: you know, Tammy, why not we'll take them take the
Speaker 1: country out of it, because okay, these these are these
Speaker 1: are some Alabama legends. Our guests Glimmer, Thomas, Yes, and
Speaker 1: Flow Millie ship bitch actually exactly right. So and I
Speaker 1: think this is like the full millieu. I think our
Speaker 1: guests like really like I think she like she she
Speaker 1: She's everything everywhere all at once, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the great things to be on so topical of you,
Speaker 1: and so I'm sorry not to not to invoke, but um,
Speaker 1: I'm just so excited toes here. I I said to you,
Speaker 1: she came on the zoom something electric passed through me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you are a real fan from from from
Speaker 1: really the beginning from go oh yeah. And the thing
Speaker 1: too is like, what a beautiful way to open up
Speaker 1: our next episodes. Bow truly we just came off three
Speaker 1: d episodes that it was our Great Global song Book.
Speaker 1: You've just heard the Great Global Songbook, which we have
Speaker 1: yet to record at the time of this episode, but
Speaker 1: we just know it's going to be a treat for
Speaker 1: the ears. Trust and believe that our guest is on
Speaker 1: it mo times. Um. Anyway, we're so excited she's here.
Speaker 1: She is a wonderful musician, singer, songwriter p S. Eliott
Speaker 1: with her wonderful sister Allison. Oh my god, Allison Allison
Speaker 1: is legend. Okay box a hatchie. Um, We're so thrilled
Speaker 1: she's here and she's not ton now she's on the
Speaker 1: st Cloud. Yeah, I mean, she just she will have
Speaker 1: by the time this episode is that she'll will have
Speaker 1: just performed at the Hollywood fucking Bowl with him and
Speaker 1: that's unreal. And she's finally getting to support the album
Speaker 1: sat Cloud, which is huge, which is huge. Um, so
Speaker 1: everyone just please check her out if you haven't already,
Speaker 1: and welcome Christ, Welcome in your glam. I am just
Speaker 1: in heaven immediately and immediately in Heaven. Well. Likewise, I
Speaker 1: was shocked to learn that you even listen to this drivel.
Speaker 1: That's stop that's really that's really, that's really like my core. No,
Speaker 1: I am such a reader. You guys got no idea. Uh,
Speaker 1: I was thrilled to be. I've been looking forward to
Speaker 1: this for so long. I'm it's such a it's such
Speaker 1: a it's such a thrill to have you. And honestly so,
Speaker 1: I'm going to see you at the Hollywood Bowl and
Speaker 1: it does not actually be my first time at the
Speaker 1: Bowl for you to write never been, Yeah, never been,
Speaker 1: and there you aren't taking the damn stage. Yeah, here
Speaker 1: we go. It's gonna be I mean, it's a first
Speaker 1: for everyone. It's gonna be great. How do we both feel?
Speaker 1: Do we have any do we have any sort of
Speaker 1: hopes dreams with the night will bring? What kind of
Speaker 1: sky there will be? Oh? You know, it's I think
Speaker 1: it's going to be just like easy across the board.
Speaker 1: I don't know if either of you've ever seen him,
Speaker 1: but like they put on, I think him is the
Speaker 1: best band. They're so incredible and you know, we actually
Speaker 1: we did see him Bowen and I did see him
Speaker 1: when they opened for Taylor Swift herself, but she was
Speaker 1: really being Taylor Swift that night. The World Tour at
Speaker 1: MetLife stage Um Bowen and I had I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: thirty six dollar Margarita's put it. When we were not
Speaker 1: we were we did not have the means to We
Speaker 1: had no not a two nickels to rupt together. But
Speaker 1: we did get there. Him was just beginning. They were
Speaker 1: incredible and just truly truly great. And then and then
Speaker 1: Raps to Hatche did a cover of three Am at
Speaker 1: Forest Hills when I thought we did yes, we did
Speaker 1: the steps and I'm sorry it was the steps. It
Speaker 1: was it's okay, yeah, we get the steps. It's okay.
Speaker 1: You know. I'll say this about him, It's like they
Speaker 1: have not only do they have this sort of instrumentation
Speaker 1: down and like that kind of prowess, and they also
Speaker 1: are like incredible performers, but they have the most important thing,
Speaker 1: which is the songs. They just so yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: really matters. The work. It's about the work. It's about
Speaker 1: the works. As Bowen so throwing his hands in the air,
Speaker 1: I will say, like, even like their first album was
Speaker 1: obviously like a huge, huge success across the board, it's
Speaker 1: not everyone loves their second album. I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Today I was like I was, I was with some
Speaker 1: people and they were like, oh, I didn't love the
Speaker 1: second album, and I'm like, second album as want You Back,
Speaker 1: Want You Back is one of my favorite songs of
Speaker 1: all time. I can listen to it any time, and
Speaker 1: I also think it's one of the most impressive music videos.
Speaker 1: That's oh, I completely agree. I love the second album too.
Speaker 1: Sherman Sherman Oaks never looked so good. I I'm just
Speaker 1: really thrilled that you're here. Katie. Katie, for some in
Speaker 1: some ethereal way, I was able to, like not that
Speaker 1: she was able to do anything, but like somehow I
Speaker 1: like cleared my schedule for her when she just reached
Speaker 1: out one time, it was like like a year ago,
Speaker 1: and you were like, hey, like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: this started. I have no memory of this. I just
Speaker 1: the first thing I remember is just meeting you and
Speaker 1: eating like a quick little brunch and it just being
Speaker 1: like a really sweet, wholesome time. And then I was like,
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that you were like talking about like
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, understanding what Taylor Swift meant, like you knew
Speaker 1: like the people in the in the milieu of the podcast.
Speaker 1: I was like this woman and I was like does
Speaker 1: this does this person know? And I did end up
Speaker 1: telling you this is my wax. The Hatchie Story. Listen
Speaker 1: to p. S Elliot in college was like love this,
Speaker 1: Listen to Sisalt, listen to the Ruins. Her second album
Speaker 1: was like this is wonderful. And then it was Ivy Trip,
Speaker 1: her third album. I was on a plane back to
Speaker 1: New York and I was like in this woozy I
Speaker 1: was drifting off into sleep and then Eric came on
Speaker 1: rocked my world. I said, oh, this is like I'm
Speaker 1: a lifer with her now, like I am, I'm with
Speaker 1: her for life. It went from like just like appreciation
Speaker 1: and fandom to like full awe and wonder I don't
Speaker 1: know what happened. Oh and I had no idea. You
Speaker 1: took it all the way back to ps Eliot. Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1: I was like managing like my fan girling around Allison
Speaker 1: when we met, and I was like, Allison's just so cool.
Speaker 1: Any it's so funny you bring up Ivy Trip. I
Speaker 1: was kind of hoping that you would, only because I
Speaker 1: made that album on Long Island, which I know is
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers, where we're exactly about Suffolk County, you know,
Speaker 1: so I got there. You know, that's that's very much
Speaker 1: my stomping ground, is it really? It's slip New York. Oh,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I was so I was spitting distance
Speaker 1: from there. I at the time that I made the album,
Speaker 1: I was dating this guy and we were talking about
Speaker 1: like I was like, I think I want to go
Speaker 1: to upstate New York and have like a rural moment.
Speaker 1: He was like, he was like, I'm I actually have
Speaker 1: a better idea. Let's go to Long Island. The same
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's not the same thing, but the
Speaker 1: bagels are better. They are, and you know what, Like,
Speaker 1: like I was super hardcore to drifting at the time.
Speaker 1: The drifting is amazing out there. It's so good. I
Speaker 1: see that. I grew up there at a time when
Speaker 1: it was like you were not thrift ing to be cool.
Speaker 1: You were going to like Abercrombie and Fish, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, I can't wait to watch this documentary that's
Speaker 1: every everyone's everyone's talking. Honestly, it's a perfect name to
Speaker 1: white Hot for that documentary is. But like that was
Speaker 1: so I didn't get to like experience the cool drift
Speaker 1: stores that you're speaking of, because it was all about
Speaker 1: go to the mall and look like everyone else. Yes,
Speaker 1: And you know what, I really picked up on that
Speaker 1: energy when I was out there. Yeah, I'm sure you did.
Speaker 1: But I will say, like, listen, people, they have their
Speaker 1: their hearts are in the right place. They just don't
Speaker 1: know anything other than Long Island. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: they know how to make bagels. And is it them
Speaker 1: or is it really something about the water. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but you cannot get a bagel anywhere as good anywhere
Speaker 1: else in the world. And they try remember remember bagel Boss?
Speaker 1: Oh do I remember bagel Boss? Did you have a
Speaker 1: bagel boss in Birmingham, Alabama? Absolutely not. I have no idea. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is this is not be No, it's not it's
Speaker 1: what's the the guy who went to bagel boss? Oh no? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So okay, there was a vil video. There's a there's
Speaker 1: a bagel chain Katie and it's called bagel Boss. And
Speaker 1: my local bagel Boss went viral because some guy went
Speaker 1: in there and he was like starting in with the
Speaker 1: girls that worked there. Maybe he was was it a
Speaker 1: mask thing? Bow? What was? No? This was it was
Speaker 1: a Trump it was it was not a Trump thing.
Speaker 1: I think No, it was just literally he went there.
Speaker 1: He's he was a man. He was a short king
Speaker 1: as well as we call him now in the culture.
Speaker 1: But he was I guess someone made him feel a
Speaker 1: certain way. Someone maybe chuckled or made fun of him
Speaker 1: for being first appearance, which again not okay, but then
Speaker 1: he kind of it was a short feu. He completely
Speaker 1: lost it and the the the it was known as
Speaker 1: the Bagel Boss meltdown, and I was like, is that?
Speaker 1: And then I realiz it was absolutely my town's bagel Boss,
Speaker 1: where I don't at people to be afraid to go
Speaker 1: because the bagels are incredible. Right. Hopefully he didn't ruin
Speaker 1: it for everyone. I mean, but see now for a
Speaker 1: late person like me or for someone who isn't, you know,
Speaker 1: accustomed to Long Island, I feel like that's that's my
Speaker 1: that's my association with bagel Boss now and with bagels. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you feel the Katie that at least Long Island
Speaker 1: offered you creative inspiration and you felt like you left
Speaker 1: there with good work? You know? The things that about
Speaker 1: Long Island that's really fascinating to me is that it
Speaker 1: is there's really only one way to get off of
Speaker 1: Long Island and it's to go through New York City
Speaker 1: through the densest craziest traffic, so people in a sense
Speaker 1: are sort of trapped there. Yeah, And I thought that
Speaker 1: that in many ways they're trapped there, and I found
Speaker 1: that to be. It's it's dark, obviously, but it did.
Speaker 1: It did definitely. I mean I I felt trapped there
Speaker 1: sort of two and there was no other thing to
Speaker 1: do but really focus on the work. And you think.
Speaker 1: The thing too about it is like it is a
Speaker 1: beautiful place. I mean, like and like one time I
Speaker 1: left because someone, an adult in my life, referred to
Speaker 1: Long Island as one of the most beautiful places in
Speaker 1: the world, and I just I just thought about, like
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know, like you know, like
Speaker 1: Bura Bora, like I felt I felt about like the
Speaker 1: many places in the world. I started to drift off,
Speaker 1: like the coral reef, and I really started to think
Speaker 1: about Long Island as being called one of the most
Speaker 1: beautiful places in the world. And I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: that's funny, but then bow isn't it true. You'll sit
Speaker 1: on Fire Island and you look out at the beaches
Speaker 1: and like it really is beautiful. So there is inspiration
Speaker 1: to be had. I completely agree and hold the phone
Speaker 1: because I woke up this morning and saw the Fire
Speaker 1: Island trailer and I just gotta say, you, guys, I
Speaker 1: can just tell from a million miles away that you
Speaker 1: nailed it. I mean, what's not about that? I think
Speaker 1: we nailed it. I nailed it. I'm not even gonna
Speaker 1: be I'm not even gonna be chilled at it, I truly,
Speaker 1: but I really, I just how you feel about albums.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't think we'll know until until it's out. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Actually, i'd be really curious to know
Speaker 1: your guys take on this. With when it comes to
Speaker 1: TV and movies and stuff, but with albums, it definitely
Speaker 1: feels like up until it comes out, it's really just yours,
Speaker 1: like it just belongs to you, and then the minute
Speaker 1: that it comes out, it belongs to everyone else. Um.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess that you have to go through
Speaker 1: both things, but I think that that that's that's very true.
Speaker 1: It must feel like that with music too, that's so personal,
Speaker 1: especially like this last album, which you've talked about, like
Speaker 1: how it was different creating it from others, which we'll
Speaker 1: get into but it is really that thing of like
Speaker 1: you fall in love with it because it's yours. And
Speaker 1: I remember, like when we were stopping shooting Fire Island,
Speaker 1: like we were posting pictures and I was like almost
Speaker 1: scared to like say too much or post too much
Speaker 1: because it was ours, not even because I wanted to
Speaker 1: give anything up, but because it was that moment of like,
Speaker 1: this is only going to be for this group of people,
Speaker 1: like probably it is with you and your band, or
Speaker 1: you and people that you collaborate with for so long,
Speaker 1: and then you give it up, and then it really
Speaker 1: does become everyone else's. And I would imagine, especially with
Speaker 1: something like st Cloud, which comes at a time in
Speaker 1: late March when everyone is really craving something to sit
Speaker 1: with all the time, and so I would be curious,
Speaker 1: Like with all of your work, yes, that idea of
Speaker 1: it's mine, now it's everyone's, But like, what was that
Speaker 1: like with this last album because it had to be magnified. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's funny the subject matter of
Speaker 1: the record just weirdly kisimately sort of lent itself to
Speaker 1: what everybody was sort of collectively going through. I could
Speaker 1: have never predicted it, but you know my my best
Speaker 1: friend mar Um sort of at a time in my
Speaker 1: life when I was really struggling to perform and just
Speaker 1: feeling like really overwhelmed and tired and overworked, would always
Speaker 1: tell me, like, it's not really about you. It's sort
Speaker 1: of like you have to look at what you do
Speaker 1: as an active service. Everyone who's come to your concert
Speaker 1: needs to be there for one reason or another, and
Speaker 1: it's it's bigger than you at this point. You have
Speaker 1: to just go out there and really give them what
Speaker 1: they came for and like see it as an act
Speaker 1: of service. And that's really how I saw Saint Cloud
Speaker 1: coming out when it came out, because the shutdown happened
Speaker 1: two weeks before, and everyone is bouncing off the walls
Speaker 1: like what are we gonna do? Are we gonna go
Speaker 1: on tour? Are we gonna are we still gonna put
Speaker 1: this thing out? Like we've put so much time and
Speaker 1: effort into it, And at the time, it just felt
Speaker 1: like all people are going to need this more than
Speaker 1: they ever need music. So can I tell you that
Speaker 1: um my first like happy, I've told you this in
Speaker 1: person already, I think, but in case you forgot my
Speaker 1: first like happy memory something resembling Happiness and Lockdown was
Speaker 1: me cracking open the window when it was a nice
Speaker 1: day out. And this is like the last week of March.
Speaker 1: I think, Can't Do Much had just come out. You
Speaker 1: just released Can't Do Much as like a promotional single
Speaker 1: or something blasted that on my speakers, open up the window.
Speaker 1: Was too afraid to go outside, but was like, at
Speaker 1: least all open the window and feel the fresh air
Speaker 1: on my face and listen to this like lovely freewheeling
Speaker 1: song of you know, I just and and then the album,
Speaker 1: the whole thing came out and I just, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's that thing that we talked about, Matt and I
Speaker 1: talked about at least with like Dualipa with future nostalgia,
Speaker 1: where it's like that album will like have this place
Speaker 1: in our hearts forever, and I like the same cloud
Speaker 1: is that for me? Just just an album that could
Speaker 1: not have come in a more necessary time for me?
Speaker 1: It really was like You and Do the same, So
Speaker 1: it's like it's like both the energies were satisfied. It
Speaker 1: was like the spectrum You and Do it being like
Speaker 1: you know, Yin Yan's to Yang's is pretty cool to me.
Speaker 1: I love future too, so I yeah, it was cool
Speaker 1: to sort of be in it with dua. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: then it comes it comes out, and like, but I
Speaker 1: I I'm so curious about that, Like, do you feel
Speaker 1: like the fans were even more intense this time around
Speaker 1: because of what it meant and had to mean? I
Speaker 1: I think so, you know, I mean what really happened,
Speaker 1: which was crazy, is like a lot of growth for me.
Speaker 1: I mean I've been doing it for so long. It's
Speaker 1: my fifth record, and um yeah, I mean that was
Speaker 1: the thing in that intern time between when the album
Speaker 1: came out and when I actually got to tour it.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like a year and a half past,
Speaker 1: and it feels like my fan base like doubled in
Speaker 1: size or something. Um so that was yeah. So so
Speaker 1: in a way, it does feel more intense, and it's
Speaker 1: been really crazy. I don't think i've checked in with
Speaker 1: you since the tour. I mean we've texted each other,
Speaker 1: sorry or just this is me bragging, Um, but I
Speaker 1: checked with you a couple of times. But I feel
Speaker 1: like I haven't gotten like the the real time assessment
Speaker 1: of like what what touring has been like for you?
Speaker 1: Because I know kind of really dove into it like
Speaker 1: for every prior project, like you would tour like the
Speaker 1: whole like like the fifty two weeks out of the year,
Speaker 1: and like it was it was a very immersive thing.
Speaker 1: And now like is the relationship different or is it
Speaker 1: overcorrecting based on what happened with COVID, Like like is
Speaker 1: what like what are you noticing differently besides like the
Speaker 1: size of the audience. Gosh, it's so it's so different. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, one thing and not to immediately go negative.
Speaker 1: But the one thing that's been so crazy is my
Speaker 1: stage right. It's really wild. I never had stage right
Speaker 1: even kind of in my whole life, and it kind
Speaker 1: of picked up late last year, but like all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm just really in my head and it
Speaker 1: it goes in waves, like I'll have sixteen amazing shows
Speaker 1: and then like a couple of bad ones, and then
Speaker 1: sixteen amazing shows and then a couple of bad ones.
Speaker 1: But that's something that really caught me way off guard,
Speaker 1: and I think must be a weird sort of thing
Speaker 1: that has to do with having not performed for two
Speaker 1: years or something. Can I ask you when you say
Speaker 1: when you have when there's a couple of bad ones.
Speaker 1: How do you qualify a show that's gone well or
Speaker 1: a show that's gone badly? Is it a thing vocally
Speaker 1: that you're feeling throughout the show? Because I wonder about
Speaker 1: how you feel as a singer if like, um, are
Speaker 1: you someone that's like really on top of their voice
Speaker 1: and worried about their voice? Or is it a crowd
Speaker 1: response thing or is it just an energy? What is
Speaker 1: that for you that separates Well, it's so funny. So
Speaker 1: I am like, when it comes to my voice, I'm
Speaker 1: one of those people that like, doesn't even I do
Speaker 1: warm up, it doesn't even I never lose my voice.
Speaker 1: I'm just lucky like that, which is it's exactly so
Speaker 1: it's rough. It's rough, but it's sort of like it's
Speaker 1: just it sounds like a voice that would go but
Speaker 1: it doesn't. And I am so grateful. So interesting how
Speaker 1: that's true sometimes because I hear what you're saying, because
Speaker 1: you do have a quality of like. And that's what's
Speaker 1: so great about you as a storyteller vocally, is there
Speaker 1: is a quality of like, whether they're like it's like
Speaker 1: it's seen things and you you would think like, those
Speaker 1: are the voices that go, but then you still have
Speaker 1: like fucking Melissa Aside ripping it up. Let you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like some people it doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: the tone is. They're just healthy. I know. It's I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful for it. There's some grit to it. She's
Speaker 1: she's seeing some stuff. You know. Yeah, still it's still
Speaker 1: it works out. But you know, it's not really my
Speaker 1: voice for me. It's I think it's like one little
Speaker 1: thing will happen, like I'll trip up on a lyric.
Speaker 1: I have so many lyrics, and there is the vocal
Speaker 1: rhythm is really challenging. You know. Um, I'll trip up
Speaker 1: on something and then I will like spiral just like,
Speaker 1: oh no, am I going to forget another word? Am
Speaker 1: I going to do something? You know? I'll just get
Speaker 1: like really kind of shaky about it. And um, so
Speaker 1: that's been a new thing for me that I'm working on.
Speaker 1: But is this why you bring up with Marrow is
Speaker 1: saying like it's not about you. Yeah, that does help,
Speaker 1: Like that does help me to kind of remember this
Speaker 1: is just a like I'm such a perfectionist and so
Speaker 1: hard on myself. I think that when I I say
Speaker 1: one wrong word or I sort of miss a word,
Speaker 1: and I suddenly completely turned on myself, like like you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be here, like what you know, like just sort
Speaker 1: of really go dark with it. And I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, I do try and channel that like this
Speaker 1: is just like fun and this is a rat concert.
Speaker 1: People are dancing and they're having a good time, and
Speaker 1: like I'm allowed to make a mistake. I'm I like
Speaker 1: try to kind of challenge. This is bigger than me.
Speaker 1: This is about a big shared experience. It's not about
Speaker 1: me being perfect. No one's expecting me to be perfect,
Speaker 1: but sure as I am expecting that of course, and
Speaker 1: that that makes sense to me, Like I I, I
Speaker 1: really I don't relate because because we don't, I don't
Speaker 1: do what you do. But like I feel like there's
Speaker 1: something kind of blunt about the way Mars said that.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's something that only a best friend
Speaker 1: could tell you. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, because because anyone
Speaker 1: else saying that you would take it, I would take
Speaker 1: it the wrong way. But because when because when someone
Speaker 1: is getting in their own way and you feel like
Speaker 1: as a best friend, like and I can say this
Speaker 1: as someone who works with my best friends a lot,
Speaker 1: like when they're getting in their own way. It's both
Speaker 1: it's both frustrating for them because you you see, it's
Speaker 1: so much clearer that like it's not a big deal
Speaker 1: and they need to get over it because they're possessing
Speaker 1: that power anyway and they are that good anyway. But
Speaker 1: it's also like, girl, we can't take up our time
Speaker 1: with this well you know what like that, and it's
Speaker 1: like and you can never see that yourself, like you
Speaker 1: always feel the need to like exert this thing of like,
Speaker 1: oh this happened, and I'm feeling like this. But then
Speaker 1: you do have your people that are like, no, listen,
Speaker 1: it's good to have that. I'm sure you two are
Speaker 1: that way with each other, you know that kind of
Speaker 1: that kind of honesty you need, like you really need that.
Speaker 1: I think I think we are. I think we are. Yeah, Matt, Matt.
Speaker 1: Matt is more just so much more clear. It's just
Speaker 1: so much clearer about it than I am. I I
Speaker 1: tend to sort of I think I'm clearing up my
Speaker 1: brain fog a little bit because I'm like medicated now,
Speaker 1: But like, like I think in the past, I would
Speaker 1: have trouble communicating something to to you because I wasn't
Speaker 1: sure how I was feeling about a situation. Well, I
Speaker 1: feel like any time, any time, there's like anytime there's
Speaker 1: like a self consciousness that is related to ego. And
Speaker 1: the thing is like you are capable of what you
Speaker 1: are capable of, Like people did come to see you
Speaker 1: and they are like they're enrapture in what you're doing,
Speaker 1: and so like if you don't know the words like
Speaker 1: they do that. That's the cool thing about like going
Speaker 1: to a show where you're on the bill is it's
Speaker 1: like you have people they're supporting you, and at that
Speaker 1: point it should really only be a party in a
Speaker 1: celebration because we've all opted into the experience of being
Speaker 1: here together because we're excited about what we're all doing,
Speaker 1: which is we're enjoying you're performing. And it's so I
Speaker 1: can see why people why some people would get um
Speaker 1: the stage fright for And it's not that I can't
Speaker 1: see why people get stage fright, it I guess moving forward,
Speaker 1: it's like if it's something like you know, you're performing
Speaker 1: on an award show, or you're like you know, doing
Speaker 1: some paid thing where you know the audience is not
Speaker 1: there for you, or if it's like a particularly small
Speaker 1: or particularly large event where there's like something attached to it,
Speaker 1: then I can see it. But in almost every other circumstance,
Speaker 1: there is that opportunity to just be like, we're all
Speaker 1: here together, like like for for this, Yes, you're so right,
Speaker 1: and you know what, something that's been really cool. That's
Speaker 1: been really helping me my whole life. I've been like
Speaker 1: sort of eyes down or eyes closed, or eyes sort
Speaker 1: of glue to the exit sign type of performer, just
Speaker 1: find a spot and stick with it and just completely
Speaker 1: sort of dissociate. And at my shows recently, I feel
Speaker 1: like I find a couple of people and the people
Speaker 1: and those are my people, and I'm like, you're my person.
Speaker 1: You're making me feel safe, like we're singing together. If
Speaker 1: I don't know the words, you do. So that's that's
Speaker 1: been really cool. Let me ask you this. When you
Speaker 1: go to a concert and like the performance isn't what
Speaker 1: you expected it to be, do you walk away with
Speaker 1: any sort of judgment or resentment on that? Like I've
Speaker 1: never like gone there have been I've been a bad concert, sure,
Speaker 1: but I never walked away from them thinking well I
Speaker 1: like that that person or that act less. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: certainly not. I mean, especially because if I love the
Speaker 1: records or something, you know, like that's I still have
Speaker 1: the records. Maybe they had a bad night. It's you
Speaker 1: guys are really helping me. Actually, you're really helping me. Okay,
Speaker 1: really have some great points. Okay, I'm only one week
Speaker 1: in therapy, and all of a sudden, I'm like, but
Speaker 1: don't you think it's rooted in the perfect example. Okay,
Speaker 1: I remember going to an Iron and Wine concert. I
Speaker 1: was they I love them, but something in my energy
Speaker 1: was was was off. I was nodding off the entire
Speaker 1: time terminal five, and I was like, I gotta go home.
Speaker 1: That's tough. And I went home, and for a second
Speaker 1: I was like, well, it's because they were they were
Speaker 1: being sleepy and boring. But then I go, no, it's
Speaker 1: me And I don't love Iron and Wine any less
Speaker 1: like today than I did in two thousand nine or
Speaker 1: wherever I went. And I don't know, I think that's
Speaker 1: like I think I think it goes both ways. Like
Speaker 1: everyone's just there to like just to listen to to
Speaker 1: like either performer listen to music, and that's I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just this is this is such an original thing
Speaker 1: for me to say, but I missed concerts and I
Speaker 1: just love going to the Yes, this will this will
Speaker 1: be my second one. I want to go see Charlie
Speaker 1: x X at the Greek um so So and I'm
Speaker 1: just so psyched that it's going to be you and
Speaker 1: him because I just feel like that'll be a fun show.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because I know, and that's
Speaker 1: it's funny you bring that you we even talk about
Speaker 1: this because energy and a crowd like at a time concert,
Speaker 1: like you know, it's gonna be people are gonna be
Speaker 1: ready to see the girls, especially hometown show. Absolutely, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be amazing. I'm playing a cool thirty five minutes
Speaker 1: and then yes, oh my god, that's a lot. That's great.
Speaker 1: It's great, it's great, and it's it's a lot. But
Speaker 1: I I mean every night at my shows, I play
Speaker 1: an hour and a half, you know something like I
Speaker 1: get to kind of get the night of I get
Speaker 1: the highlight it's nothing but the hits, and then I
Speaker 1: just get to watch time. It's just heaven. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't wait. I am. I think that the wax of
Speaker 1: Hatchee crowd is very very unique and beautiful and sweet
Speaker 1: and perfect because I feel like you are a very
Speaker 1: well traveled is not the right word, but I feel
Speaker 1: like you've you've like picked up pockets geographically, whether it's
Speaker 1: like people in the South, people in Kansas, people in
Speaker 1: like Philly, people in New York. I feel like you
Speaker 1: really like amassed this wonderful, eclectic following of people who
Speaker 1: like wouldn't otherwise like come together and watch you. Not
Speaker 1: not that poudn't otherwise, but it's like, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, It's like, I think you've really cultivated this
Speaker 1: wonderful allowing as people who like, I don't know, like
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like I would be I was,
Speaker 1: I was the Forest Hill Show, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is a wonderful crowd, and like it feels like
Speaker 1: a great mix of people. It was not like a
Speaker 1: homogeneous thing in any way. Yeah, I hope that's true.
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I really pounded the pavement
Speaker 1: like some tertiary markets you know, over the years, and
Speaker 1: those are important. They're important and it's paid off, you know.
Speaker 1: I really feel like kind of low key the best
Speaker 1: shows of the St Cloud tour so far have been
Speaker 1: like southern college towns, you know, like just I love
Speaker 1: that I mean, I love the big city shows too,
Speaker 1: but those are the ones I get a little jittery about,
Speaker 1: and the I can really like let my hair down,
Speaker 1: and like Fayetteville, Arkansas, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: just it's just easy. It's so easy. Bentonville is you
Speaker 1: kill it there? I had a friend moved from l
Speaker 1: A to Bentonville, Arkansas, and then he said to me,
Speaker 1: He's like, you gotta roll through Bentonville. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I will. But then I'm thinking here,
Speaker 1: like maybe it's important. I'm not. Yeah. I'm very curious though,
Speaker 1: especially with you, to ask our question, because I feel
Speaker 1: like we're going to get a very cool answer. And
Speaker 1: also I would love to say, let's not even be
Speaker 1: beholden to music. Obviously we're music lovers here, but like,
Speaker 1: let's spread our wings. Um. So, Katie crush Field, what
Speaker 1: was it the culture that made you say, let's just
Speaker 1: say culture is for you? You know, I knew you're
Speaker 1: gonna ask this, obviously, and I thought about it, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different directions you could go with
Speaker 1: this question. I'm sure that you've heard that before, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys feel that way. But the thing
Speaker 1: I really wanted to talk to you about and kind
Speaker 1: of drill down on is UM. And it's actually sim
Speaker 1: we can we can veer into what you guys were
Speaker 1: talking about before me in UM. The thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about is the chicks at UM. I t
Speaker 1: I UM. You know, I grew up in Alabama, as
Speaker 1: you guys talked about, and UM obviously grew up on
Speaker 1: country music in the class. You know, you're Tammy's, your Loretta's,
Speaker 1: what have you. But I country pop was like my
Speaker 1: like of the eighties and nineties was the thing that
Speaker 1: I really is huge for me. And when they hit,
Speaker 1: I mean I loved Shania I loved Come On Over.
Speaker 1: I have this like very vivid memory of being I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe in like fourth grade or something, and
Speaker 1: Titanic had just come out and my cousin, my like
Speaker 1: cool older team cousin like sat and told me the
Speaker 1: entire plot from start to finish. It took about an hour,
Speaker 1: and the whole time in the background, we're listening to
Speaker 1: Come On Over. That's that is such a vivid portrait
Speaker 1: of a time, truly. Um. But the chicks, like when
Speaker 1: they hit, I had never heard anything like that before.
Speaker 1: I mean, it brought all these elements of bluegrass and
Speaker 1: it's like legit real country stuff into the pop, big
Speaker 1: old pop up. Yeah, exactly into the pop world. And
Speaker 1: when I think about, um, you know, voices with a
Speaker 1: lot of personality, which is what I really want to have,
Speaker 1: you know, I think about Natalie Main's absolutely she her
Speaker 1: emotion is there's almost like there's like a like an
Speaker 1: extra vocal cord, which is just to make sure that
Speaker 1: like her, her emotion is there, Like you've she she
Speaker 1: can't help but show how she feels when she sings.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely very cool. Capital as storytelling, I don't know
Speaker 1: that anyone Well this is me like being very cursorily
Speaker 1: literate and country music, but I feel like nothing no
Speaker 1: better storytellers than the chat. Well, look, it is tough
Speaker 1: because can I just say cold day in July? Are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Look, this is not to take away
Speaker 1: from the Chicks, but I'm just saying, if we're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about country music, let's just say female country
Speaker 1: music storytellers. People sleep on Tricia Yearwood on Tricia constantly.
Speaker 1: She's in Love with the Boy was my first favorite song.
Speaker 1: It was my first favorite song as a little child,
Speaker 1: and I listened to that song. We actually I've worked
Speaker 1: on covers of that song, like I love Trisia, I
Speaker 1: adore Trisia, Thank you. I'm trying to have like big
Speaker 1: Tricia hair today. Yeah, it's giving, it's giving. I will
Speaker 1: say this there there is there's a song that no
Speaker 1: one talks about, this this is Me You're talking To?
Speaker 1: And oh my god, you guys. She there's a couple
Speaker 1: of acoustic versions that she does, but it's basically and
Speaker 1: I thought this was I really needed this song. Talk
Speaker 1: about really needing a song at a time. But I
Speaker 1: had broken up with my boyfriend and I was realizing
Speaker 1: that things were going to be different when we saw
Speaker 1: each other. And this is Me You're talking To is
Speaker 1: a song about how she says to someone that she
Speaker 1: runs into. They have like a weird conversation where they're
Speaker 1: not saying the thing and she's like, wait, but this
Speaker 1: is me you're talking to, like remember me? And then
Speaker 1: she's she lists this these things that like only they
Speaker 1: did together, and like the intimate moments that are thrown
Speaker 1: away when you throw away a relationship, like but it's
Speaker 1: still me. And I just thought that song is so
Speaker 1: beautiful and still re telling on j Harry did that
Speaker 1: on Small Talk anyway, Um, okay, I didn't mean to
Speaker 1: beat the prolative about the checks. It's so easy. It's
Speaker 1: so easy to be like they're they're they're one at
Speaker 1: the best. I don't even start talking about I think
Speaker 1: what we're like sort of dancing around too, is that.
Speaker 1: I think that it's like country pop music. It just
Speaker 1: takes you deeper into a story than than any other
Speaker 1: pop songs. You know, it really it takes you. It
Speaker 1: takes it a step further. Um, it's beautiful. I mean
Speaker 1: opera pop music. Yes, it is. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: a minding of the emotion. It's like you know, any
Speaker 1: Martina mcbrad song, you know what I mean, Like you
Speaker 1: by the end of it, you've experienced a musical Angel?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Like Independence Day? Independence Day should
Speaker 1: be a musical. I mean, where is it? Where is it?
Speaker 1: I know? I have full stories in these songs, full stories.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. I have struck up a friendship with Wanona
Speaker 1: jud and she's amazing. I mean, she's just that it's huge,
Speaker 1: and I always am like that's her story is a
Speaker 1: musical and with you even the songs. Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: That's a hit on Broadway. I mean, SuDS are legacy family,
Speaker 1: they are for over, they're reuniting too. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: gotta get to show. Yeah. Absolutely, I think. I think
Speaker 1: you're at a pretty cool time now where you're like
Speaker 1: I think because because you're hanging out with Lucinda Williams too.
Speaker 1: She's she's more like, well, you guys, breath you guys
Speaker 1: have struck up for you, guys have truck up a friendship.
Speaker 1: I would say. I would say that I am such
Speaker 1: a big fan that I was like annoyingly buzzing around
Speaker 1: for a years and then she was sort of forced
Speaker 1: to be like, who are you Okay? Yes, cool, you
Speaker 1: can sit with me for an hour and that's you're
Speaker 1: hanging out? What we're hanging out? I I mean she
Speaker 1: is to me, she's my favorite of all time. I
Speaker 1: think she's I think she's the best songwriter period. Wow,
Speaker 1: I believe it. And to get to be in in
Speaker 1: her orbits so cool. Have you ever brushed elbows with
Speaker 1: Natalie Maine's and the girls? God no, but I do
Speaker 1: you know? The chicks are playing at the Greek in
Speaker 1: l A in the summertime and Jenny was opening and
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's my dream show. That's going to be
Speaker 1: I know they really, I mean, she's another one we
Speaker 1: could if we could have taken it in that direction,
Speaker 1: to the Jenny Lewis direction. But let's let's let's do
Speaker 1: it for one second. And I want to talk to
Speaker 1: you about Fiona. Oh, let's go. Okay, I'm also on
Speaker 1: that person done with the chicks, But what's what's do
Speaker 1: a quick detour? Okay. Jenny Lewis saw her in Chicago.
Speaker 1: Um and all she plays all the heads, but then
Speaker 1: she ends. I think she ended with arms outstretched and
Speaker 1: it's the perfect song that everyone in the audience can
Speaker 1: like chant along to and it just makes me cry
Speaker 1: every time. So beautiful, so beautiful. I love her. She
Speaker 1: took me out. I mean she was I would not
Speaker 1: have started playing music probably if not for Ryle Kylie.
Speaker 1: I feel like I was into country and like also
Speaker 1: like you know, kind of grew up into musical theater
Speaker 1: and like it was definitely a performing arts kid, and
Speaker 1: but then got into like punk rock and sort of
Speaker 1: like Harsher more indie music and um, Ryle Kylie is
Speaker 1: sort of like this intersection of all of those things.
Speaker 1: You know, she sings beautifully and like the melodies are
Speaker 1: more palatable, but it is still sort of idiosyncratic and
Speaker 1: like left of center. So it just I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: that is the thing I want to do. I think
Speaker 1: I think you found it because I think because I
Speaker 1: think I've heard you say an interviews that you want
Speaker 1: to use you might aspire to be like genre less.
Speaker 1: You know, that's my favorite, that's my favorite. I think
Speaker 1: you're there, I really do. I mean because because like
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's tough to say because there's
Speaker 1: elements and everything. And then when when you talk about
Speaker 1: your influences, like I'm almost surprised because it's so easy
Speaker 1: to get caught up in like what did you ever
Speaker 1: want to sing? Like that big country music? Like a
Speaker 1: woman stands behind a microphone and a gown like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I have been like wearing
Speaker 1: a lot of gowns lately, but I think that I
Speaker 1: don't know, I could see it, you know, because there's
Speaker 1: something glam about it. It's glam and and that's so fun,
Speaker 1: and that's so fun. I someone wants described pop as
Speaker 1: like the sum of everything, you know, like if you
Speaker 1: zoom out, pop meodies are just the sum of everything.
Speaker 1: And so in that way that that's sort of like
Speaker 1: what I always want to aspire to, just something that's
Speaker 1: it's it's universally sort of understood as melodic and big
Speaker 1: melodies and pop and and like lyrics that aren't pretentious
Speaker 1: but are smart. You know. That's that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I'm always going Everyone has a home in it somehow. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Wow,
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that a lot. Is this
Speaker 1: a potential direction you're going to go in? Oh my god, Bowen,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I am so maybe. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, who I really love. I'm so curious if
Speaker 1: you guys have a relationship with this person. But who
Speaker 1: I really love and have been trying to emulate with
Speaker 1: the songs I've been working on sort of slowly. Is
Speaker 1: Tom Petty? Um? Oh my god, you know I get
Speaker 1: that too. That makes sense, right, Yeah, Like he's really
Speaker 1: that of like the sum of everything. It's it's a
Speaker 1: little of this, a little of that, and it just
Speaker 1: equals big, huge pop songs. And you know that's what's
Speaker 1: you know, what's so funny about that? When Tom Petty
Speaker 1: played the Super Bowl a while back, I remember being like,
Speaker 1: what the fund is this? And then it actually makes
Speaker 1: sense because it's of what we're saying. Everyone has everyone,
Speaker 1: the American Girls like everyone. Everyone can latch onto it
Speaker 1: in some way exactly. Yeah, so yeah, maybe in that way. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm so far from I'm way farther from a new
Speaker 1: album than I want to be. You know what, it
Speaker 1: comes so fair. Once it starts coming, it comes, So
Speaker 1: that's how I am. I just have to wait and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I think it's so it's
Speaker 1: also okay that that time didn't come during the pandemic
Speaker 1: because it was such a shift of life, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, and we were we had Marion
Speaker 1: Morris on the show. Um, the episode comes out soon,
Speaker 1: but she was talking about how like the pandemic allowed
Speaker 1: her to be creative, but it wasn't out of like
Speaker 1: an impetus to be creative. It was more of like, oh,
Speaker 1: this happened, and now I'm going to deal with the
Speaker 1: fact that this happened. And then you know, in terms
Speaker 1: of like touring it or putting it out whatever. And
Speaker 1: I also feel like there's something to the fact that,
Speaker 1: like you put this album out on Mary like it
Speaker 1: has not seen its life through, Like you are someone
Speaker 1: who discourse with their music. You must go out there
Speaker 1: and play this music life like. That's probably has to
Speaker 1: do with it too. Absolutely, it's it's basically like this
Speaker 1: state of arrested development with its yet yeah, exactly exactly,
Speaker 1: She's still in the nest um. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's really true. It's just it's the longest album cycle
Speaker 1: of all time. It's no complaints, no complains. The three
Speaker 1: of us have something in common, which is where we've
Speaker 1: all We're all Bellhouse Growl. We've all performed, isn't God?
Speaker 1: They would? It would be insane, But you could come
Speaker 1: back and do a show at the bell You can
Speaker 1: probably do like a whole week at the Bellhouse, like
Speaker 1: the summer. I would. I mean, I'd love a little
Speaker 1: Bellhouse residency. Moment. God, such a cute space, honestly, and
Speaker 1: also for comedy, for comedy rock. It really, it really
Speaker 1: is such a fun night for comedy. I've I've also
Speaker 1: seen such wacky ship there. I saw Point Break live there.
Speaker 1: Do you know about point Break Live? So it's sort
Speaker 1: of like a rocky horror picture type thing, where like
Speaker 1: it's like the actors are acting and out and everyone
Speaker 1: in the crowd is like a die hard point break
Speaker 1: plan and like nose the interacts with it and it's
Speaker 1: like one of those. But I saw that at the Bellhouse,
Speaker 1: and now looking back, it's so reads as a place
Speaker 1: where that would be because it is interactive, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's kind of feel really good, especially
Speaker 1: as your music is getting probably one of the time
Speaker 1: at the time you play this, when it was getting bigger,
Speaker 1: it probably felt like full in a way that was
Speaker 1: so exciting. Absolutely, I love like a stage where you're
Speaker 1: you're just in the room with everyone you know. It
Speaker 1: feels super intimate, but but also like really alive. It's Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great, perfect space. Love it. We love the
Speaker 1: Bell House. Okay, Okay, that's what we did. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey live, those are our best memories live
Speaker 1: shows there from you do um Okay, next detour, Fiona,
Speaker 1: I've heard you say that. Well, I think you and
Speaker 1: I both share a deep appreciation for either wheel that
Speaker 1: might I know, I think you might be affected the
Speaker 1: bolt Cutters girl, But I think I'm I'm an Eidler,
Speaker 1: real person really all the way. Yes, nothing against fetch
Speaker 1: a door Fetch I think it's great. It's honestly, that's
Speaker 1: probably my number two at this point. But Either Wheel
Speaker 1: is like a masterpiece in its own right. The lyrics
Speaker 1: Iidler will hit me a little harder, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: because yeah, yeah, because I would say that's just more
Speaker 1: like I think it's Fiona at her most distilled anger,
Speaker 1: which is which is everyone's favorite thing about her, and
Speaker 1: like and like it is this beautiful thing. Like Fiona
Speaker 1: like flips the whole like you know, scorned woman trope
Speaker 1: on its head, and she like doesn't give a ship
Speaker 1: if she comes off as like angry or unhinged or whatever.
Speaker 1: Like that's just the beauty of Fiona. But I feel
Speaker 1: like Either Will was the most I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just there's some distance, like from whatever that album is about.
Speaker 1: There's some space between her and that and and and
Speaker 1: I feel like we fetch it. You're so right, it's
Speaker 1: so distilled, it's so raw, it's so angry, and that
Speaker 1: is like you know, if you were to sort of
Speaker 1: distill Fiona down into like a couple descriptors, it would
Speaker 1: be like angry and you know, so I think that
Speaker 1: that it is sort of like the highest dose of
Speaker 1: Fiona that you can possibly get. And there's something sort
Speaker 1: of nice about the space and I the Wheel for
Speaker 1: me um where it is it's almost it almost comes
Speaker 1: off as like more thoughtful and poetic and um, whereas
Speaker 1: Fetches just like raw um either really came out. Oh
Speaker 1: but we're we're all around the same age. It came
Speaker 1: out for me after right after college, Matt. It was
Speaker 1: right after college. It was and it was like this
Speaker 1: album that like the summer of I just like I
Speaker 1: could not stop listening to. Like the last album that
Speaker 1: I had that with was like gwen Stefani l Amb.
Speaker 1: It was like this album that I could not stop listen.
Speaker 1: There was nothing from that pointwelve and nine year gap,
Speaker 1: but no, it was. It was. It was. It's one
Speaker 1: of those albums that you get like once every decade,
Speaker 1: honestly where you're like blackout thet's down dead. But either
Speaker 1: Wheel was like I was like you remember that time, Matt,
Speaker 1: Like I was like miserable. You were not happy, you
Speaker 1: were not I was not happy, and like it was
Speaker 1: this album that like I could like like I don't
Speaker 1: know as that was. I think also during any transition
Speaker 1: time in your life, the albums do jump out, Like
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember it was Ingrid Michaelson's album when
Speaker 1: we were in um the song Forget About People, Blood Brothers.
Speaker 1: I love that song and just like whatever the album was,
Speaker 1: I'm losing the name right now, but also right before then,
Speaker 1: like Tegan and Sarah for some reason, those that at
Speaker 1: the end, what was the heart throb heart Okay, I
Speaker 1: the first time I ever toured Europe was opening Fortiguing
Speaker 1: and Sarah on the Shore and they Heaven on Earth
Speaker 1: and you guys should have them on the pod. You
Speaker 1: really should. Honestly, they are so funny and they were
Speaker 1: they just like delivered so many like nuggets of wisdom
Speaker 1: that I still draw back to now. I mean, they
Speaker 1: gave me so much good advice and we're just so
Speaker 1: warm and welcoming and amazing and they're the best. I mean,
Speaker 1: drove me wild. Like I remember when they when they
Speaker 1: put out that song, is like how dare they do this?
Speaker 1: Like it just feels like I don't know. It sort
Speaker 1: of reminded me of like that moment when Liz Fair
Speaker 1: went pop and I've almost like suck her, and I
Speaker 1: was like, what are you talking about this? She made
Speaker 1: one of the best pop songs ever. Why can't I?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. We just so we pump up every
Speaker 1: night before we go on stage. We like someone DJs
Speaker 1: and we just like dance, and someone put that on
Speaker 1: a couple of nights ago and we all just went off.
Speaker 1: We just got It's one of those that everyone's singing
Speaker 1: along so good. The bridge also, I mean just purely
Speaker 1: like the chorus the what kid, It's such a genius
Speaker 1: hook that I think people then this is how I
Speaker 1: feel about like people's quote unquote serious music people sometimes
Speaker 1: is that it's just like it's an anger that things
Speaker 1: were fun and that it could be that easy for
Speaker 1: someone to be also that commercial. But that's just what
Speaker 1: a genius she is. I mean, don't hate her because
Speaker 1: she's beautiful exactly. And I think that that album was
Speaker 1: was one of the Pitchfork albums that they apologized for.
Speaker 1: They apologize for the lie because they give a zero
Speaker 1: point zero rating, and that's just like, come on, I mean,
Speaker 1: and here's the thing. I am like a die hard
Speaker 1: Liz Fair fan of all the early stuff, Like I
Speaker 1: think she Eville is, but it is, like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's undeniable that that song is. I remember at the
Speaker 1: time thinking this is an amazing how could she Exactly?
Speaker 1: It doesn't just sneak into romantic comedy trailers, guys, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean Exactly my accident, it's not in
Speaker 1: the fabric of the movie so that it's in the
Speaker 1: trailer like it's something someone has to create and it's
Speaker 1: perfect for that. But yeah, I um, it's just it's
Speaker 1: those formative albums that I think attached to a time period,
Speaker 1: and for you, you're also saying it attached to an emotion,
Speaker 1: which was I think the pression I'm a tulip in
Speaker 1: a cup by growing up, Like, like, what an amazing
Speaker 1: genius lyric that the first I'd say, like four bars
Speaker 1: of Valentine. That song, it's some of my favorite lyrics
Speaker 1: that have ever been written. That's I listen to that
Speaker 1: song and I'm like, this is why she's a genius.
Speaker 1: It's so oh my god. They're that lyric about like
Speaker 1: her eating dinner and it was salted with her tears
Speaker 1: or something exactly good. And then Hot Knife, which is
Speaker 1: just just percussion and her her vocals later on top
Speaker 1: of each other. Genius. Okay, now back to the checks,
Speaker 1: back to the check, Well, could I just I just
Speaker 1: want to say, like it's I'm just so excited that
Speaker 1: they're going to play like in l A. Because I
Speaker 1: feel like that is their crowd now, like that crowd
Speaker 1: that goes to to these shows like that, and I
Speaker 1: just it's um, I mean, for me, it's it's weird
Speaker 1: to say because they're so formative and they live in
Speaker 1: our hearts because of what they did earlier. But I mean,
Speaker 1: taking the long way like that, just like I just
Speaker 1: feel like that's as a statement after everything that also
Speaker 1: was the best music they had done. It's just and
Speaker 1: also I feel like they now they can really be
Speaker 1: quiet and introspective because there's nothing about them that's trying
Speaker 1: to even then the smaller songs like really entertained. They
Speaker 1: just need to express and it's like that's why I
Speaker 1: really love their new albums. And talking about a Pandemic
Speaker 1: album that was incredible and I did not think this
Speaker 1: last album got its do but Gas Lighter, that whole
Speaker 1: album was great. I completely agree. And you know what's
Speaker 1: really powerful to me about it is I think about
Speaker 1: the chicks and growing up in Alabama and like how
Speaker 1: important that band was for women, and like, I feel
Speaker 1: like there's so many women in rural like in the
Speaker 1: rural South and just in rural America that like, I
Speaker 1: have never even heard the word gas lighter. They don't
Speaker 1: even know that. The concepts of that are like maybe
Speaker 1: new or foreign. And that's so powerful that that's this big,
Speaker 1: this big pop music that sort of has has these
Speaker 1: these bigger concepts. I think it's just so such a
Speaker 1: cool choice and so like I feel like the way
Speaker 1: that they felt, the way that the Chicks famously fell
Speaker 1: off and like you know, making these bigger political statements,
Speaker 1: it's just so like Chef's Kiss that they finally are
Speaker 1: kind of getting their time. Yeah, Yeah, nothing more satisfying
Speaker 1: than that. I hope. I hope that they're like just
Speaker 1: absolutely relishing in that. But I hope so too. I
Speaker 1: remember taking a long way like sweeping at the Grammys
Speaker 1: that year. Yeah, I think both as a statement for
Speaker 1: the time and also because like that music was genuinely
Speaker 1: so powerful. I mean, not ready to make nice. The
Speaker 1: second verse, it's iconic, it's iconic, it is it is
Speaker 1: just a primal cry against everything that had happened, and
Speaker 1: also for it to have for it to be the
Speaker 1: second verse and the highlight of the whole song, with
Speaker 1: the emotional center priests of the whole song. There's something
Speaker 1: in there. It's just so cool, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: one of those songs that you see covered but it
Speaker 1: could never know. It's like it's like I don't want
Speaker 1: to miss a thing, or I will Always love You,
Speaker 1: or any of these like a classic iconic songs where
Speaker 1: it's like there was a moment and there was a
Speaker 1: voice that did it, and it's just iconic and it
Speaker 1: once you try to emulate it, you're just emulating it,
Speaker 1: or you're not. You're not matching up in terms of
Speaker 1: what you're doing with it. It's just one of those
Speaker 1: songs that matches artists forever. Yeah, completely agree. I really
Speaker 1: admire Katie, that you are, that you like, you like covers,
Speaker 1: that you like performing them, and I wonder what your
Speaker 1: processes in terms of choosing something. I mean, I I
Speaker 1: treat it like I treat my own songs sort of
Speaker 1: where I just anything that makes me feel really lit
Speaker 1: up and excited is usually kind of what I gravitate towards.
Speaker 1: Um So anything I can just picture like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is going to feel so good to sing. Um. So
Speaker 1: I that's how I've been picking. But I mean we're
Speaker 1: doing we're doing two right now, but we you know
Speaker 1: we are. I'm always like throwing ideas out of my band,
Speaker 1: like can you guys like learn this by sound check?
Speaker 1: You know. Um, that's kind of how we keep it fresh,
Speaker 1: is just introducing new covers into the conversation. It's it's
Speaker 1: so good do you do? You do? Listen you do?
Speaker 1: Fruits of my Labor doing Friends of my Labor, um,
Speaker 1: lot of a clear bood morning. Those are the two
Speaker 1: were doing right now. Okay, great. But then one of
Speaker 1: my favorite covers period Jessica Simpson with you, Oh my God.
Speaker 1: And I listened to this all the time like it's
Speaker 1: it's it really is just one of those because because
Speaker 1: that really, again it's just a well written pop song.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny. So I guess god it
Speaker 1: must have been. Lena emailed me and said, I woke
Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night and I'd have
Speaker 1: this dream that you sang with You by Jessica Simpson.
Speaker 1: I think it should be in the show for it.
Speaker 1: She was, well, it was for the Girl's soundtrack. So
Speaker 1: she wrote me and was like, I have this idea
Speaker 1: and I thought about it and I was like, I
Speaker 1: cannot picture how to do that song. That's I'm I
Speaker 1: feel like pretty confident about my ability to tackle most songs,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I love making songs my own, I
Speaker 1: love interpreting them, and that one I was like, I
Speaker 1: am drawing a blank. But we did it and she
Speaker 1: loved it, and now people it's it is when people
Speaker 1: a really like but it's surprising to hear. It's like
Speaker 1: one of those things when you're doing it. It's like
Speaker 1: it starts and you hear the words and you're like,
Speaker 1: is that it? Sure is? Yeah, it sounds removed enough
Speaker 1: in the best way from the source material that you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: that recognition setting in is just kind of a beautiful
Speaker 1: moment of like wow, totally absolutely. I appreciate it so
Speaker 1: much more now. At the time, I was like, it
Speaker 1: was ten years ago. I was like angsty, kind of
Speaker 1: like took myself too seriously and was like I have
Speaker 1: to sing these lyrics, you know, And now now I
Speaker 1: appreciate it more. Yeah, do you who who is your
Speaker 1: favorite pure pop musician? Do you have one god, Um gosh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I pay pretty close attention to pop music
Speaker 1: and and do like ultimately think it's the best music
Speaker 1: that's currently being made. Probably. Um, but I mean I
Speaker 1: love Taylor, I love Beyonce. You know, I feel like
Speaker 1: those those two are the ones that I sort of
Speaker 1: think are the high water mark of like pop songs
Speaker 1: right now, because again, like I said it, for me,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, is really all about
Speaker 1: the songs. Yes, yea, you you recorded sing Cloud and
Speaker 1: Long Pond where Taylor was and then but then you
Speaker 1: you said this to me one time where you were
Speaker 1: like where you feel some sort of artistic connection to
Speaker 1: every one of Taylor's eras in some way we were
Speaker 1: really aligned for a second where it I remember when
Speaker 1: n came out right after that Ivy Trip came out,
Speaker 1: and it felt kind of like kindred in a way,
Speaker 1: like they were both sort of these like like a
Speaker 1: new direction, you know. Even the artwork is like sort
Speaker 1: of similar, you know. Um, and then reputation came out
Speaker 1: when Out in the Storm came out, and those are
Speaker 1: the ones that are those are really tied in my mind.
Speaker 1: And then um, let's see, I mean the Folk and Cloud.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's some parallel exactly, and they're they're
Speaker 1: kind of pandemic albums, you know, a hundred percent. So
Speaker 1: Red and really Installed it was I think Red and
Speaker 1: Is really installved. Yes, So I didn't even think about
Speaker 1: that one yet. And I mean Colors, you know, Colors
Speaker 1: and like and a little bit of a breakthrough for
Speaker 1: both because Red was sort of her first real step
Speaker 1: into pop music and um, yeah, so I I've always
Speaker 1: sort of we're the same age, you know, And yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm always just like, yeah, we're on We're sort of
Speaker 1: plugged into some kind of similar way length. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: do you feel like that Bowen like did were we
Speaker 1: are our reputation era? When she really reputation? I think
Speaker 1: were I was? I was I was. We all needed it,
Speaker 1: we all needed when it came out. It's perfect timing.
Speaker 1: That was the return to Saturn. I have to inform you.
Speaker 1: Reputation era was the return to Saturn. And that's just
Speaker 1: the way that goes. Wait, it was mine, it was mine.
Speaker 1: It was because we're all on the same age. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was mine too, Saturn, and I think it was
Speaker 1: hers too, And she emerged a butterfly and lover. Absolutely
Speaker 1: a colorful, prideful of butterfly. I know, I do actually
Speaker 1: think that St. Cloud is sort of lover and folklore
Speaker 1: kind of yes, married, yes it is. Wow, I need
Speaker 1: the beginning. I mean, I hope that you guys felt
Speaker 1: like butterflies after your Saturn return. I certainly absolute, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, no, I've never been more of a lover
Speaker 1: era than when I first left. I don't think I
Speaker 1: still think I'm going through. I think I'm still in
Speaker 1: my Saturn return, are you? I don't know? Two? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's like eighteen months. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like a time of like twenty seven. Saturn works differently
Speaker 1: for me. I think, okay, icon, okay of the time.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, I've already asked you. I mean the sun,
Speaker 1: the sun? What are you? What are your what's your chart?
Speaker 1: What are your three? What's your chart? My Cafricorn, which
Speaker 1: I really identify with the dolly of it all? You know?
Speaker 1: And I let's see, I'm a tourist rising and a
Speaker 1: sagittarious moon Okay, very grounded, very on earth. YEA a
Speaker 1: whole lot of fire in there too. Yeah, absolutely definitely
Speaker 1: What are you? Two? I should know this, but I'm
Speaker 1: a jot. Pisces water water excuse rising Pisces cancer moon.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, watery water never stops? Do we do we?
Speaker 1: I'm divisive as a Scorpio. People clutch their pearls. No,
Speaker 1: I love you, but also you see what he just did.
Speaker 1: What he just did, making it a subject of debate. Oh,
Speaker 1: I love it. All the boys in my band or
Speaker 1: water signs, and I just I surround myself with the
Speaker 1: water sign man. It's really it's what I like. Is
Speaker 1: it emotional? Yes, that's what I need. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: I'm sort of the grounded, sort of like center of
Speaker 1: the circle. It's really it makes me. It really gives
Speaker 1: me a sense of purpose and it's great. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: just Oh my god, Katie, I fucking love you. I
Speaker 1: love you too. I'm so I can't tell you guys
Speaker 1: how excited I am to be here. I just I'm
Speaker 1: in heaven. I mean it is it is a true
Speaker 1: honor to have you here. Here's the thing. So it's
Speaker 1: like I feel like like the expected, like Katie lost,
Speaker 1: college is going to be We talked about music the
Speaker 1: entire time, but I also want to know what the
Speaker 1: funk you were watching and I want you to tell
Speaker 1: us give a please a picture of your sorry, but
Speaker 1: media diet, we must know. Okay, um, let's see what
Speaker 1: am I watching. I just finished Bridgert in season two. Okay,
Speaker 1: did you guys watch Britain? I didn't watch this season.
Speaker 1: I watched the first season, but because I heard that
Speaker 1: in the second season, like there's not even any drama
Speaker 1: about where any come goes. It's just like sort of
Speaker 1: like a straightforward like dating show. It is. It's a
Speaker 1: really straightforward It's a lot of like heavy breathing and
Speaker 1: like sort of like longing stairs and it's very Jane Austen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we love that, so that I mean, it's funny because
Speaker 1: I'm on tour, so we don't. I don't watch that
Speaker 1: much TV when I'm home. I watched a lot of TV.
Speaker 1: But I'm in Salake City right now and everyone is
Speaker 1: all my boys are like freaking out about real housewives.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't want the boys. Are A couple
Speaker 1: of my boys love real housewives, and like we're in
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City and I am just sort of like
Speaker 1: I feel like I could get into this, and I
Speaker 1: know I know that you guys like it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe that's Stalic City might be my entry point. I
Speaker 1: don't know, you need something dumb to watch? I need something, God,
Speaker 1: I really need something dumb to watch. You're so right,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. We all do. It's just just
Speaker 1: put it on and then you I don't know, are
Speaker 1: you what? What's the motive? Transportation? Is it? Is? It?
Speaker 1: Is it? Yeah? And what is that? Like? What is
Speaker 1: that bus culture? Like? Oh my god, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for asking. Um, it is it is not really
Speaker 1: that much more glamorous than living on a camper within
Speaker 1: other people. Yeah, it's like that. It's pretty much for this.
Speaker 1: It's kind of rough in it. You know, it's cute.
Speaker 1: We have like our snacks and like our coffee maker,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's definitely like a designated morning group,
Speaker 1: and then there's the late night group. I'm in the
Speaker 1: morning group. I go to bed early. We live we
Speaker 1: like sleeping little bunks, um, and so I've made mine
Speaker 1: kind of cute and it has like a salt lamp
Speaker 1: and like a quilt and it's sort of nice and
Speaker 1: they're a salt lamp always does so much like you
Speaker 1: never you never think about it. But got a salt lamp. Everyone,
Speaker 1: it's actually rural culture number thirty four. Everyone. I love it.
Speaker 1: It's I couldn't agree more. It just gives it a
Speaker 1: nice glow. And what color is it? It's like pink. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a pink stink. Yeah, like the himal Land salt.
Speaker 1: Stop laughing now because mine is orange, bigger color blind,
Speaker 1: so was it might be a pink one rats rat
Speaker 1: He's got me a gun with the color could very
Speaker 1: well be pink. But I think it's orange. It's like
Speaker 1: an orange glow, but a pink It turned off that
Speaker 1: so I think so, yeah, I think so. So you
Speaker 1: could say orange, you could say it emits an orange light,
Speaker 1: which is really nice. Well, whatever it's admitting is fine
Speaker 1: by me. And the salt lamp it stands. It's such
Speaker 1: as it's such a must. It's a must, It's a must.
Speaker 1: I agree. Has Kevin? Has Kevin seen you? Yes? He so.
Speaker 1: I played the rhyman on this tour, which is a
Speaker 1: very big honor. And I know I've never been more
Speaker 1: fucking terrified in my life. And actually a so someone
Speaker 1: pulled a fire alarm any minutes before I was set
Speaker 1: to take the stage. We don't know. I mean that's
Speaker 1: what the fire marshal was like, we think it's a poll.
Speaker 1: We don't know, but it's either a malfunction or someone
Speaker 1: has pulled this fire alarm. Um. So that happened like
Speaker 1: three minutes before we're supposed to go on. So that
Speaker 1: was kind of like your wedding day, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean a little bit. But then we got back
Speaker 1: on track and the show was great and it was amazing,
Speaker 1: and Kevin he came for a few days and he
Speaker 1: was there for that, which was really sweet. His new
Speaker 1: stuff is so good. Oh my god, it is so good.
Speaker 1: The record is amazing. I'm really really excited for him.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I can't wait. Um, this is kind
Speaker 1: of inspiring. I don't think so, honey that even the
Speaker 1: fire marshals are like not sure what it is like
Speaker 1: because you know, there's that moment when when an alarm
Speaker 1: gets pulled and everyone's like is this real? But then
Speaker 1: either that lasts the whole time and if it's a
Speaker 1: fire then good luck, or people are like, wait, we
Speaker 1: should like ask somebody, and if the fire marshals don't know,
Speaker 1: then what do you do? Absolutely, I was sort of
Speaker 1: like tunnel vision sort of like I just need to
Speaker 1: hopefully still play this show, and so I didn't ask
Speaker 1: any questions. I was like, we just got to get
Speaker 1: in there as quickly as possible. And then this show happened,
Speaker 1: and now we're all sort of less scratching our heads,
Speaker 1: like what the hell just happened? Really funny? This is like, um,
Speaker 1: it's always like a weird sociological experiment when a fire
Speaker 1: alarm gets pulled and how people behave I'm like, literally,
Speaker 1: I'm it's it's like I'm look, I'm going over the
Speaker 1: conspt of fire alarms in my head again, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like transported back telementary school. And there was always
Speaker 1: that will there won't they with the firearm? Go? Of course,
Speaker 1: It's like it was sitting right there, it's sitting right there.
Speaker 1: It's just like anyone's to pull I don't, And I
Speaker 1: actually I'm curious how many lives are saved by like
Speaker 1: fire alarms, you know, yeah, and you have to imagine
Speaker 1: like are they really that effective? Like and is there
Speaker 1: a better way? Are there smoke detectors we could think about,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean than the fire like you
Speaker 1: leave it in my hands and suddenly it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's that ledge that's right there that you're not going
Speaker 1: to jump off of, but you're good, be good right there.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's like it's like it's like it's
Speaker 1: like a naming contest on the internet. Like you don't
Speaker 1: believe it to regular people to decide something. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I know. I will say it did inspire. What I
Speaker 1: felt from stage was that it really had inspired a
Speaker 1: lot of camaraderie because people all had to stand outside
Speaker 1: together for like thirty minutes, so when everyone emerged back
Speaker 1: into the building, they were more excited about the show.
Speaker 1: So it was a good energy to walk out too.
Speaker 1: But it was insane right on your running day. It's
Speaker 1: a good omen in the end, but sort of annoying
Speaker 1: in the moment. It's a good story kind of even
Speaker 1: though I love more information, I can't wait for the
Speaker 1: details to emerge. At some point, I want the person
Speaker 1: caught him caught. I want to found that paint to
Speaker 1: the show, to be caught and taken away and questioned. Roughly,
Speaker 1: I want to and punished to the fullest extent of
Speaker 1: the fullest extent of the lot I can what's like
Speaker 1: I don't know because when you were in elevateor school,
Speaker 1: and they always said if you pulled the fire alarm,
Speaker 1: you would get expelled, like they like it was the
Speaker 1: worst thing you could do. So what's I guess? I
Speaker 1: guess hardcore life imprisonment as the adult sort of you know,
Speaker 1: did you guys have this? Like the urban legend in
Speaker 1: our school is that it's sprays an ink on your
Speaker 1: hand so that I know, so that like people can
Speaker 1: find you and like you know you're the one who
Speaker 1: pulled it. Like, I don't think the technology is that
Speaker 1: sphyated even when someone tells you don't be in this
Speaker 1: pool because this pool is a special thing where it
Speaker 1: turns red. And like I said, you tell the scare
Speaker 1: of the children into behaving, you know, fear based learning. Wow,
Speaker 1: I mean where did that get us in the end?
Speaker 1: Nowhere we're all messes because now I have no I
Speaker 1: have no fear when an alarm goes off, I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: it happens here all the time my ampartment too, And
Speaker 1: you always get an email that's like never mind, it's
Speaker 1: never I mean, yeah, wind has a fire alarm really
Speaker 1: been Like it's a dire situation and you need to
Speaker 1: get out of here. It's everyone is so blase about
Speaker 1: them now. I that was we sort of all backstage
Speaker 1: looked at each other and we're like, are we doing
Speaker 1: this or are we staying? And then we eventually were
Speaker 1: told to leave. But what was it like growing up
Speaker 1: in Birmingham? Like? What did you go to public school
Speaker 1: in Birmingham? Yeah? It was great? Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I do you have more questions? I would. It's such
Speaker 1: a it's such an opposite of where I like went to.
Speaker 1: I just wonder if it was, like it wasn't a
Speaker 1: very conservative environment. I guess this is my question. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's curty. And I didn't grow up super religious or anything,
Speaker 1: so I was sort of surrounded by a lot of churchiness,
Speaker 1: but it was sort of like kind of from an
Speaker 1: early age, I was able to parse that and just
Speaker 1: sort of you know, I think, yes, exactly, Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so it's super conservative. But I also, you know,
Speaker 1: pretty early on was playing shows and like the city
Speaker 1: of Birmingham, and I mean, it's amazing. It's sort of
Speaker 1: I love the South. I think it's obviously has its
Speaker 1: drawbacks politically and stuff, but there's a lot of amazing bubbles. Um,
Speaker 1: and it's just there's so much color and personality and
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, I think it's kind of the best.
Speaker 1: I love the South too. I love visiting there. It
Speaker 1: just got weird over the past couple of years because
Speaker 1: you're in your head about the cultural differences, I think.
Speaker 1: But of course I really enjoyed being there. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll say this, like kind of coming up
Speaker 1: in like a cool music scene there and stuff, I
Speaker 1: feel like conversations about politics were had like more openly
Speaker 1: because of where we were, So I sort of feel
Speaker 1: like I grew up with a lot of that. It
Speaker 1: all kind of being out on the table a little
Speaker 1: bit more. Um at least that's sort of been my perspective.
Speaker 1: But um, but yeah, I think it's pretty magical, you know.
Speaker 1: I think that it's almost like because of that struggle,
Speaker 1: the people that kind of make it out or make
Speaker 1: it sort of um or just find like another way
Speaker 1: of looking at things then what's normal there. Um, it
Speaker 1: makes it like that much cooler or something. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I feel like I look at like, not to
Speaker 1: bring her up again, but like flow million, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: like this like this is this like works anywhere, but
Speaker 1: I guess it could have only come from Alabama, just
Speaker 1: she identifies with it so much and her and her
Speaker 1: stuff that I'm just like, I've always had the impression
Speaker 1: that like burbing him and I guess a Mobile like
Speaker 1: she's from Mobile. Yeah, she's from Mobile. Got like like
Speaker 1: music town's kind of or some or some music culture
Speaker 1: there that like I don't know, is that is that?
Speaker 1: Is that I mean totally off? No, I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't speak for Mobile. I I the first out
Speaker 1: of town show I ever played in my whole life,
Speaker 1: when I was fifteen years old, was in Mobile and
Speaker 1: it was definitely like kind of strange and haunted. But Birmingham,
Speaker 1: but I mean formally it's like we're in totally different worlds.
Speaker 1: But I I for the indie scene in Mobile is
Speaker 1: like not totally existent as far as I can, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: but Birmingham was like yeah, I mean I feel like
Speaker 1: I I came up playing all kinds of shows with
Speaker 1: like a metal band and like an indie band and
Speaker 1: a folk band. Is like all the bills were really
Speaker 1: diverse because there wasn't like a ton of stuff going on,
Speaker 1: and that way I got like a heavy dose of
Speaker 1: all different kinds of music kind of all the time
Speaker 1: and then and they're kind of just like shapes you
Speaker 1: into an artist and a songwriter that like can sort
Speaker 1: of you know, aspired a genre lessness because you you
Speaker 1: knew early on to sort of co exist with with
Speaker 1: with with everything. Yeah, totally, yeah, And I think that's
Speaker 1: really true. And you know, there's we were so adjacent
Speaker 1: to Nashville in Atlanta and Athens and New Orleans, and
Speaker 1: like we're really close to all those places. So I
Speaker 1: was always traveling to other like cool southern cities to
Speaker 1: play too. Yeah. Where where from? He is from Gulf Shores,
Speaker 1: which is like the very little there's like a little
Speaker 1: like tip of Alabama. It's down there, like right by
Speaker 1: the panhandle of Florida on the beach. We I love
Speaker 1: wit too. He did a little time in Birmingham, I think,
Speaker 1: and I know he would he was in bands and
Speaker 1: was aware of my bands like that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But we didn't know each other till we we all
Speaker 1: left Alabama. But you god, he's you're both so cool.
Speaker 1: He's the best. He's so great and so so funny.
Speaker 1: Do you know who I'm thinking of right now who
Speaker 1: else is genreal lists? Remember you're going to fall on
Speaker 1: the ground. Jimmy Buffett, Oh my god. He And that's
Speaker 1: why he's he huge, honey. And that's why mar brand
Speaker 1: because everyone has a home in it. It's drinking exactly,
Speaker 1: it's just getting drunk. It's going on vacation. Everyone has
Speaker 1: a home in it. Everyone Like you listen to Jimmy
Speaker 1: Buffett to just feel like you're on vacation. That's brilliant.
Speaker 1: It's really really it's branding one on one. It's actually
Speaker 1: Ruler culture number seventy two. Jimmy Buffett is branding. Did
Speaker 1: I tell you Matt that we wet? Like me? Kyle
Speaker 1: and Hide were planning like like a writer cast, like
Speaker 1: outing for work at SNL because like people just haven't
Speaker 1: gotten to hang out with each other um this year,
Speaker 1: and so we were like, it's gotta be close to work,
Speaker 1: it's gotta be close to thirty Rock, but it's gotta
Speaker 1: be like fun, like it can't be like some like
Speaker 1: random bars. You know where you gotta go. I think
Speaker 1: Kyle suggested Margarite of Ville. I was like, I didn't
Speaker 1: know there was one in Times Square. There is wet
Speaker 1: and we had a blast. Yeah. I also is going
Speaker 1: to be the one to suggest Margaritaville because Kyle Mooney,
Speaker 1: I have it on good authority, is a Disney person.
Speaker 1: She loves Buffett and Disney are tied. They are absolutely
Speaker 1: they live right here and that they live right here,
Speaker 1: and I wish people could see in my hands, but
Speaker 1: right where my hands are touching, that's where they live.
Speaker 1: And literally that was my entire childhood, like going to
Speaker 1: Disney World and being at Margaritaville. That's Long Island culture, though, Katie,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you didn't stay long enough to understand
Speaker 1: like the mindset that that you choose to go where
Speaker 1: you want to escape, that is only Margaritaville. I bet
Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett is huge. That my parents used to go
Speaker 1: to Jones Beach like to Telegate and watch him all
Speaker 1: the time. And I feel bad because I never got
Speaker 1: to the point where I could do that. But like once,
Speaker 1: I say, I want the experience once and then it
Speaker 1: probably is way too much. The experience of a Margarita
Speaker 1: Margarita Ville X concert where it's like screaming chaotic e
Speaker 1: girls and it's the funnest time in the world. I
Speaker 1: don't know that the energy would be as good. Whatever
Speaker 1: was was. It was Orlando, a vacation spot for you
Speaker 1: guys in Alabama or now. Yeah, my dad's from Alabama,
Speaker 1: excuse me, from Orlando, so we would go to visit
Speaker 1: the family. And it was conveniently located just right next
Speaker 1: to Disney World, which is really great for us as children. Know.
Speaker 1: What was your favorite right or attraction? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: thank you for asking. It's been so long since I've
Speaker 1: been there. I think I love Space Mountain and I
Speaker 1: remember being kind of like finally old enough to do
Speaker 1: Space Mountain, just feeling like so cool it is. I
Speaker 1: think about it sometimes like it is just a roller
Speaker 1: coaster that's in the dark. You gotta you gotta go.
Speaker 1: As of late, because they really production value has really
Speaker 1: increased in the mountain itself, in the mountain itself, not
Speaker 1: haunted inside the mountain itself. It's actually become a real spectacular. No,
Speaker 1: it's become a real specter track lighting every now and then.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, but Tron is coming to Disney World. Bo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, so Space not two point oh if you will,
Speaker 1: I'm happy to hear that. Um, when you're a haunted
Speaker 1: mansion person. Um, yes, but also I get spooked at
Speaker 1: that stuff still to this scared person. I'm a scared person,
Speaker 1: like I don't think going to like the really extreme
Speaker 1: haunted houses during Halloween is fun at all. You know
Speaker 1: what's weird. I identify as being an extremely afraid person,
Speaker 1: but I do love the haunted houses. I really love
Speaker 1: to get out and run, you know, running, get out
Speaker 1: and run for your life. Yeah, well then is goofy
Speaker 1: Katie can handle it now? You see the humor, of
Speaker 1: course there's I mean, I'm a tronic. They're a little spooky,
Speaker 1: a little big, and this day for adults, for grown
Speaker 1: people like us. I think it's time. I think it
Speaker 1: might be time. I don't. I don't think so. Honey, Bowen,
Speaker 1: what's this thing again? This is our one minute segment
Speaker 1: where we just dress down culture, dress it down, and
Speaker 1: sometimes it feels great. Sometimes you and I do an
Speaker 1: okay job at it. We've done it too many times.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna go for
Speaker 1: it today and try to be good. I don't mean
Speaker 1: to bring this energy into this the space. Sorry, yes,
Speaker 1: it's you have something. I okay, this is this is
Speaker 1: huge let's do Let's have Matt Rodgers do as I
Speaker 1: don't think so many as time starts now, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. Elon Moscow owns Twitter. It's like combine
Speaker 1: the two worst things in the world. Didn't give them
Speaker 1: ultimate power? How did this happen? How does one person
Speaker 1: have forty four billion dollars to just sort of, I
Speaker 1: don't know, throw at something like owning Twitter, which I
Speaker 1: can't explain. What is going to happen if he allows
Speaker 1: Trump to come on for election, which is what I'm hearing,
Speaker 1: and this is the ultimate I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: I have left to give in my loins, hearts, spirit, gut.
Speaker 1: Please don't let Trump back on Twitter. Please? Can we
Speaker 1: not go back into this narrative? I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Elon Musk. From what I understand, you're sort of like
Speaker 1: an anthropomorphized like sort of like I guess, I guess
Speaker 1: the robot is anthropomorphized because it kind of goes and mover.
Speaker 1: What I mean to say is that you're sort of
Speaker 1: like a skeletal robot, and like, I don't know about
Speaker 1: giving you power over the social media site Twitter, which
Speaker 1: already in and of itself is evil. It feels like
Speaker 1: two evils, and I don't think so, honey. And that's
Speaker 1: one minute. I mean, it's it's tough. It's really tough
Speaker 1: to understand that he's going to own this weapon. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the way I feel when
Speaker 1: I hear that he's acquired it. Do you guys think
Speaker 1: people will like just leave? All I can say is
Speaker 1: I certainly left. And someone texted me today almost like
Speaker 1: should I leave? When I told them absolutely yes, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: if you haven't already. I mean, I think i'm he
Speaker 1: is vowing to make it, like to have it be
Speaker 1: so that like the bots will disappear. He wants it
Speaker 1: to be like it's real people. No, of course, it's
Speaker 1: It's really just crazy how it happened within like two
Speaker 1: weeks literally, I think April nine was when he put
Speaker 1: in that ninth or that or something like that nine steak.
Speaker 1: And then now it's like I think he just like
Speaker 1: probably like talk to some shareholders and now it's like
Speaker 1: it is what it is. I guess that's what happens
Speaker 1: when you pay forty or billion dollars for it. Can
Speaker 1: you even imagine this? This? This is the craziest part
Speaker 1: is that one time he was being a troll and
Speaker 1: he was like, I will pay the u N six
Speaker 1: billion dollars to end world hunger if they can outline
Speaker 1: a plan. And then they literally they called his bluff
Speaker 1: and literally presented him a plan and he never paid.
Speaker 1: And then now he's paying forty four million billion, forty
Speaker 1: four billion to buy like the fifteen most successful social
Speaker 1: media So it's not even Twitter is not even like
Speaker 1: that big of a deal anymore, unfortunately, And I don't
Speaker 1: think it's gonna grow, like it's not like a thing
Speaker 1: he can invest in and grow out of like what
Speaker 1: it has become over the past decade. Like I just
Speaker 1: I just think it's a weird fucking move and it's
Speaker 1: purely like a troll instinct. I think he's just doing
Speaker 1: it because he's a centric and like wants to do
Speaker 1: something that like we'll get people's attention. Maybe I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well it has. It hasn't me spooked, it has and
Speaker 1: it gives me the kb gbs um. Anyway, boning do
Speaker 1: you have? I don't think funny top I I sort
Speaker 1: of do. And he's going absolutely slay. Are you ready?
Speaker 1: I'm ready. I don't think so, honey, This times for
Speaker 1: us now, I don't think so honey. Lip mask versus
Speaker 1: lip balmb versus aquifore. I'm in the tertiary market of
Speaker 1: being someone who is keeping track of the differences and
Speaker 1: looking up what the fuck eclusive means. I don't want
Speaker 1: to the fact that I know what ecclusive means in
Speaker 1: a lip balmb or in a moisturizer sucks because I
Speaker 1: would rather know how to like speak French better than
Speaker 1: I do. I would rather remember the plot of thirty
Speaker 1: seconds Severance after watching it one time through and going,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't think I'm not dragging it, just
Speaker 1: go I don't. I'm having a hard time, like launching
Speaker 1: onto something anyway, lip balmb. I think about you every
Speaker 1: day and night. I think about you every moment of
Speaker 1: the day because this feel like I need to top
Speaker 1: up on my lips and it's this thing. It's sisaphian.
Speaker 1: It feels like I I will never sort of like
Speaker 1: I'll never, We're never done with our lips, and I
Speaker 1: feel like this is just a prison that you know,
Speaker 1: the market is has created for us that we have
Speaker 1: to buy it forever and different differentiate between different types. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that's one minute. What was that word you said, conclusive? Eclusive?
Speaker 1: And what is what is inclusive? It it basically traps
Speaker 1: the moisture under. So for a lipop if a lipom
Speaker 1: is inclusive, the only way it's actually effect is effective
Speaker 1: is if you're moist if you like, moisten the skin
Speaker 1: below at first, and then like vassiline is pure, inclusive,
Speaker 1: thick rich, like you gotta lick your lips first and
Speaker 1: then put it on for it to do anything to you?
Speaker 1: Can I try something coming to the stage eclusive, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it doesn't really ring the you know the
Speaker 1: name occlusive, inclusive, I don't know. And you like, actually, like,
Speaker 1: is there a way to just not have chapped lips?
Speaker 1: I don't think that that is actually an option. I
Speaker 1: think that we can temporarily moisten them with your bombs,
Speaker 1: your masks, etcetera. And then I don't know if twenty
Speaker 1: minutes later they're just back to chapped. I think that's
Speaker 1: just being a human, putting like an overnight lip mask
Speaker 1: on during the day. And I feel like I'm I
Speaker 1: feel like a funk up. I feel like I've done
Speaker 1: something wrong. Really so you wake up and they're still
Speaker 1: We're still chapped, They're still chapping. Even just I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm breaking the rules. I'm not doing what
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be doing, and like my body knows, like, hey,
Speaker 1: this isn't a lip bomb, this is a sleeping mask.
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting here and thinking of a time. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of a time when like we didn't have any
Speaker 1: other stuff like the Little Women era. A little about
Speaker 1: what I think about what those women's those little women's lips,
Speaker 1: they probably were so chapped, like Syarsha needed much more
Speaker 1: chapped lips on the movie. I want to see the movies.
Speaker 1: I want to see the film and television in this
Speaker 1: country start with chaps. The fact that those lips were chapped,
Speaker 1: I understand in their movie stars. But if we're going
Speaker 1: to really like be eclusive to the times, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we need the chapped lip representation because it was probably
Speaker 1: a nightmare and it probably felt unbearable and probably a
Speaker 1: cause of a lot more conflict than we're seeing in
Speaker 1: current films. Yeah, the Gilded Age, I want the chapped age,
Speaker 1: and you know also the dry skin all of it. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: like that they don't look like they don't look like that.
Speaker 1: They were gross. They were gross. Thank you. Well, I
Speaker 1: think it's time for Kati Krutchfields. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: And she said she has something. I kind of came
Speaker 1: up with one in this hotel room that I'm in. Okay,
Speaker 1: So it's art created in this very space. It's created
Speaker 1: in this space. You're like seeing it happen in real time. Wow,
Speaker 1: this is kat Kretchfields. I don't think so honey. Her
Speaker 1: time starts now. Okay, I don't think so honey. Overhead
Speaker 1: lighting in general, how is the brightest, bluest, most depressing
Speaker 1: white the standard that we all just sort of accept
Speaker 1: as like a society, And like, am I in the
Speaker 1: doctor's office? Am I in a grocery store at two am?
Speaker 1: Like it is like just the general public not care
Speaker 1: about aesthetics in general, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. It's you enter a hotel
Speaker 1: room and you flip the light switch on and it's
Speaker 1: just the brightest, most bare bulb that you've ever seen,
Speaker 1: and the only other option is to walk around and
Speaker 1: sort of meticulously turn on three to five lamps and
Speaker 1: find your light, Like I want to look my best.
Speaker 1: I want the people in my life to look their best,
Speaker 1: and it's not happening with overhead lighting. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's not. And that's one minute. Get to bring the
Speaker 1: salt lamp inside. That's we need, see, that's what we need.
Speaker 1: That's why I have. We need the glowy, beautiful light
Speaker 1: like war. We need warm, we need warm lighting. We
Speaker 1: don't need this chilly, frigid blast exactly exactly to us.
Speaker 1: I'm spending a lot of time in dressing rooms and
Speaker 1: backstages and they are the worst offenders and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to put makeup on and things like that in that
Speaker 1: light and it's just not fun. Why I gotta be
Speaker 1: like that? That that should be, That should be the standard,
Speaker 1: that should be like the peak lighting. I totally agree.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I mean, this is the whole
Speaker 1: other I don't think so, honey. But that's sort of
Speaker 1: like newer iPhone, like selfie camera is so unfortunate. It's
Speaker 1: just so like it's just it's way t am I
Speaker 1: you know, um, and that I think the lighting with
Speaker 1: that has just been like it's been hard. Oh no.
Speaker 1: On the new iPhone, Yeah, the newest one. It's daily like,
Speaker 1: it's a lot. It's just too much info. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's a washed out moment, so it's an ore. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Well listen, I tried to set up my lighting.
Speaker 1: It gorgeous. You guys both like, I've got it overhead,
Speaker 1: but it's warm. It's not you have a warm overhead. See.
Speaker 1: I've actually been admiring your overheads this whole time, Like,
Speaker 1: how do I get that? Because it's great. I wish
Speaker 1: he hired a lighting designer when he got us l
Speaker 1: he actually hired a lighting designer for his whole apartment.
Speaker 1: So wherever he goes, if he even stumbles into some
Speaker 1: rough lighting, it's good, people will believe that it's yeah,
Speaker 1: the lighting designer come in. People will think this is true.
Speaker 1: But I just make a name up. Yes, absolutely, absolutely, Wait, Katie,
Speaker 1: what a joy. But this is a true joy, and
Speaker 1: such a joy. Speaking of warmth, I think that that
Speaker 1: that's that's all you exude pretty much. It's just and
Speaker 1: that your shows. I can't wait fort to go see
Speaker 1: you and for people to go see you. So excited already,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Bowen, give me my number. I'm going
Speaker 1: to try and come stay high and hang and like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's just I want to be I never meet Sudie.
Speaker 1: I want to meet Sui. We'll jam and wait to
Speaker 1: see the show. Oh my god, fun so fun. I'm
Speaker 1: so don't I wish you could be here town. A
Speaker 1: couple of days later, it's okay. I I blessed it.
Speaker 1: I think you guys just he blesses it. Not that
Speaker 1: you needed me to bless it though. I like your blessing.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Duty will be so excited Sudie. Um, they
Speaker 1: listen to St Cloud on our on the first trip
Speaker 1: we both took after lockdown like end of May, and
Speaker 1: we just put it on driving in Long Island. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I love that amazing. I'm playing, um it
Speaker 1: gets announce tomorrow. Actually I'm playing in Central Park this summer,
Speaker 1: so you should come hang out swear and my sister
Speaker 1: in span is playing too. Oh my god, you have
Speaker 1: to come hang if you're around. It's the longest albums
Speaker 1: like in the world for one of the best albums
Speaker 1: in the world. So please check out Max and Hatchie
Speaker 1: on the same Cloud tour. Um. We close every episode
Speaker 1: with the song should we honor the guests um Culture, Yeah,
Speaker 1: why list bass Magas Janeyeds for more. Listen to you
Speaker 1: the checks, the checks on their first album, first album. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but of those facts musician historians here,