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Speaker 1: chania is is much more complicated than people realize. Shania

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Speaker 1: People are dancing and they're having a good time, and

427
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: like I'm allowed to make a mistake. I'm I like

428
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 1: try to kind of challenge. This is bigger than me.

429
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 1: This is about a big shared experience. It's not about

430
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: me being perfect. No one's expecting me to be perfect,

431
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: but sure as I am expecting that of course, and

432
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: that that makes sense to me, Like I I, I

433
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: really I don't relate because because we don't, I don't

434
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: do what you do. But like I feel like there's

435
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: something kind of blunt about the way Mars said that.

436
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: I feel like that's something that only a best friend

437
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: could tell you. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, because because anyone

438
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: else saying that you would take it, I would take

439
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 1: it the wrong way. But because when because when someone

440
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: is getting in their own way and you feel like

441
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,479
Speaker 1: as a best friend, like and I can say this

442
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: as someone who works with my best friends a lot,

443
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: like when they're getting in their own way. It's both

444
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: it's both frustrating for them because you you see, it's

445
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: so much clearer that like it's not a big deal

446
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: and they need to get over it because they're possessing

447
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: that power anyway and they are that good anyway. But

448
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 1: it's also like, girl, we can't take up our time

449
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: with this well you know what like that, and it's

450
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: like and you can never see that yourself, like you

451
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 1: always feel the need to like exert this thing of like,

452
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: oh this happened, and I'm feeling like this. But then

453
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: you do have your people that are like, no, listen,

454
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: it's good to have that. I'm sure you two are

455
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: that way with each other, you know that kind of

456
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: that kind of honesty you need, like you really need that.

457
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: I think I think we are. I think we are. Yeah, Matt, Matt.

458
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:56,239
Speaker 1: Matt is more just so much more clear. It's just

459
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: so much clearer about it than I am. I I

460
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 1: tend to sort of I think I'm clearing up my

461
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: brain fog a little bit because I'm like medicated now,

462
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: But like, like I think in the past, I would

463
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: have trouble communicating something to to you because I wasn't

464
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: sure how I was feeling about a situation. Well, I

465
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: feel like any time, any time, there's like anytime there's

466
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: like a self consciousness that is related to ego. And

467
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: the thing is like you are capable of what you

468
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 1: are capable of, Like people did come to see you

469
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: and they are like they're enrapture in what you're doing,

470
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: and so like if you don't know the words like

471
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 1: they do that. That's the cool thing about like going

472
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: to a show where you're on the bill is it's

473
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: like you have people they're supporting you, and at that

474
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: point it should really only be a party in a

475
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: celebration because we've all opted into the experience of being

476
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: here together because we're excited about what we're all doing,

477
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: which is we're enjoying you're performing. And it's so I

478
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: can see why people why some people would get um

479
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: the stage fright for And it's not that I can't

480
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: see why people get stage fright, it I guess moving forward,

481
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: it's like if it's something like you know, you're performing

482
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: on an award show, or you're like you know, doing

483
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 1: some paid thing where you know the audience is not

484
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: there for you, or if it's like a particularly small

485
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: or particularly large event where there's like something attached to it,

486
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: then I can see it. But in almost every other circumstance,

487
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: there is that opportunity to just be like, we're all

488
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: here together, like like for for this, Yes, you're so right,

489
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: and you know what, something that's been really cool. That's

490
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: been really helping me my whole life. I've been like

491
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: sort of eyes down or eyes closed, or eyes sort

492
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,719
Speaker 1: of glue to the exit sign type of performer, just

493
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: find a spot and stick with it and just completely

494
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: sort of dissociate. And at my shows recently, I feel

495
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: like I find a couple of people and the people

496
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: and those are my people, and I'm like, you're my person.

497
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: You're making me feel safe, like we're singing together. If

498
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: I don't know the words, you do. So that's that's

499
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: been really cool. Let me ask you this. When you

500
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: go to a concert and like the performance isn't what

501
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 1: you expected it to be, do you walk away with

502
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: any sort of judgment or resentment on that? Like I've

503
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: never like gone there have been I've been a bad concert, sure,

504
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: but I never walked away from them thinking well I

505
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: like that that person or that act less. Yeah, No,

506
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: certainly not. I mean, especially because if I love the

507
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: records or something, you know, like that's I still have

508
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: the records. Maybe they had a bad night. It's you

509
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: guys are really helping me. Actually, you're really helping me. Okay,

510
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: really have some great points. Okay, I'm only one week

511
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: in therapy, and all of a sudden, I'm like, but

512
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: don't you think it's rooted in the perfect example. Okay,

513
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: I remember going to an Iron and Wine concert. I

514
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: was they I love them, but something in my energy

515
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: was was was off. I was nodding off the entire

516
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: time terminal five, and I was like, I gotta go home.

517
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: That's tough. And I went home, and for a second

518
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: I was like, well, it's because they were they were

519
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: being sleepy and boring. But then I go, no, it's

520
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: me And I don't love Iron and Wine any less

521
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: like today than I did in two thousand nine or

522
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: wherever I went. And I don't know, I think that's

523
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: like I think I think it goes both ways. Like

524
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: everyone's just there to like just to listen to to

525
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: like either performer listen to music, and that's I don't know.

526
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: I just this is this is such an original thing

527
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: for me to say, but I missed concerts and I

528
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: just love going to the Yes, this will this will

529
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: be my second one. I want to go see Charlie

530
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: x X at the Greek um so So and I'm

531
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: just so psyched that it's going to be you and

532
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: him because I just feel like that'll be a fun show.

533
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because I know, and that's

534
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: it's funny you bring that you we even talk about

535
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: this because energy and a crowd like at a time concert,

536
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: like you know, it's gonna be people are gonna be

537
00:27:53,800 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 1: ready to see the girls, especially hometown show. Absolutely, it's

538
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: gonna be amazing. I'm playing a cool thirty five minutes

539
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: and then yes, oh my god, that's a lot. That's great.

540
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: It's great, it's great, and it's it's a lot. But

541
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: I I mean every night at my shows, I play

542
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: an hour and a half, you know something like I

543
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: get to kind of get the night of I get

544
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: the highlight it's nothing but the hits, and then I

545
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: just get to watch time. It's just heaven. Yeah, I

546
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: can't wait. I am. I think that the wax of

547
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: Hatchee crowd is very very unique and beautiful and sweet

548
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: and perfect because I feel like you are a very

549
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: well traveled is not the right word, but I feel

550
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: like you've you've like picked up pockets geographically, whether it's

551
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: like people in the South, people in Kansas, people in

552
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: like Philly, people in New York. I feel like you

553
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: really like amassed this wonderful, eclectic following of people who

554
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: like wouldn't otherwise like come together and watch you. Not

555
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: not that poudn't otherwise, but it's like, you know what

556
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: I mean, It's like, I think you've really cultivated this

557
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: wonderful allowing as people who like, I don't know, like

558
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like I would be I was,

559
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: I was the Forest Hill Show, and I was like,

560
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: this is a wonderful crowd, and like it feels like

561
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: a great mix of people. It was not like a

562
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: homogeneous thing in any way. Yeah, I hope that's true.

563
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I really pounded the pavement

564
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: like some tertiary markets you know, over the years, and

565
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: those are important. They're important and it's paid off, you know.

566
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: I really feel like kind of low key the best

567
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: shows of the St Cloud tour so far have been

568
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: like southern college towns, you know, like just I love

569
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: that I mean, I love the big city shows too,

570
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: but those are the ones I get a little jittery about,

571
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: and the I can really like let my hair down,

572
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: and like Fayetteville, Arkansas, you know what I mean. It's

573
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: just it's just easy. It's so easy. Bentonville is you

574
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: kill it there? I had a friend moved from l

575
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: A to Bentonville, Arkansas, and then he said to me,

576
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: He's like, you gotta roll through Bentonville. And I was like,

577
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 1: I don't think I will. But then I'm thinking here,

578
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: like maybe it's important. I'm not. Yeah. I'm very curious though,

579
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: especially with you, to ask our question, because I feel

580
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: like we're going to get a very cool answer. And

581
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: also I would love to say, let's not even be

582
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: beholden to music. Obviously we're music lovers here, but like,

583
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: let's spread our wings. Um. So, Katie crush Field, what

584
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: was it the culture that made you say, let's just

585
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: say culture is for you? You know, I knew you're

586
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: gonna ask this, obviously, and I thought about it, and

587
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different directions you could go with

588
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: this question. I'm sure that you've heard that before, and

589
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys feel that way. But the thing

590
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: I really wanted to talk to you about and kind

591
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: of drill down on is UM. And it's actually sim

592
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: we can we can veer into what you guys were

593
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: talking about before me in UM. The thing I wanted

594
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: to talk about is the chicks at UM. I t

595
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: I UM. You know, I grew up in Alabama, as

596
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: you guys talked about, and UM obviously grew up on

597
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: country music in the class. You know, you're Tammy's, your Loretta's,

598
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: what have you. But I country pop was like my

599
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: like of the eighties and nineties was the thing that

600
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: I really is huge for me. And when they hit,

601
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean I loved Shania I loved Come On Over.

602
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: I have this like very vivid memory of being I

603
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe in like fourth grade or something, and

604
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: Titanic had just come out and my cousin, my like

605
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: cool older team cousin like sat and told me the

606
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: entire plot from start to finish. It took about an hour,

607
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: and the whole time in the background, we're listening to

608
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: Come On Over. That's that is such a vivid portrait

609
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: of a time, truly. Um. But the chicks, like when

610
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: they hit, I had never heard anything like that before.

611
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it brought all these elements of bluegrass and

612
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: it's like legit real country stuff into the pop, big

613
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: old pop up. Yeah, exactly into the pop world. And

614
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: when I think about, um, you know, voices with a

615
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: lot of personality, which is what I really want to have,

616
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: you know, I think about Natalie Main's absolutely she her

617
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 1: emotion is there's almost like there's like a like an

618
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: extra vocal cord, which is just to make sure that

619
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: like her, her emotion is there, Like you've she she

620
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: can't help but show how she feels when she sings.

621
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: It's absolutely very cool. Capital as storytelling, I don't know

622
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,719
Speaker 1: that anyone Well this is me like being very cursorily

623
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: literate and country music, but I feel like nothing no

624
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: better storytellers than the chat. Well, look, it is tough

625
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: because can I just say cold day in July? Are

626
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Look, this is not to take away

627
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: from the Chicks, but I'm just saying, if we're gonna

628
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: be talking about country music, let's just say female country

629
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: music storytellers. People sleep on Tricia Yearwood on Tricia constantly.

630
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: She's in Love with the Boy was my first favorite song.

631
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: It was my first favorite song as a little child,

632
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: and I listened to that song. We actually I've worked

633
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: on covers of that song, like I love Trisia, I

634
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: adore Trisia, Thank you. I'm trying to have like big

635
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: Tricia hair today. Yeah, it's giving, it's giving. I will

636
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: say this there there is there's a song that no

637
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: one talks about, this this is Me You're talking To?

638
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: And oh my god, you guys. She there's a couple

639
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: of acoustic versions that she does, but it's basically and

640
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: I thought this was I really needed this song. Talk

641
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: about really needing a song at a time. But I

642
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: had broken up with my boyfriend and I was realizing

643
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: that things were going to be different when we saw

644
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: each other. And this is Me You're talking To is

645
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: a song about how she says to someone that she

646
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: runs into. They have like a weird conversation where they're

647
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: not saying the thing and she's like, wait, but this

648
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: is me you're talking to, like remember me? And then

649
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: she's she lists this these things that like only they

650
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: did together, and like the intimate moments that are thrown

651
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: away when you throw away a relationship, like but it's

652
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: still me. And I just thought that song is so

653
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: beautiful and still re telling on j Harry did that

654
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: on Small Talk anyway, Um, okay, I didn't mean to

655
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: beat the prolative about the checks. It's so easy. It's

656
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: so easy to be like they're they're they're one at

657
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: the best. I don't even start talking about I think

658
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: what we're like sort of dancing around too, is that.

659
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: I think that it's like country pop music. It just

660
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: takes you deeper into a story than than any other

661
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: pop songs. You know, it really it takes you. It

662
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 1: takes it a step further. Um, it's beautiful. I mean

663
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: opera pop music. Yes, it is. It's like it's like

664
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: a minding of the emotion. It's like you know, any

665
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: Martina mcbrad song, you know what I mean, Like you

666
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: by the end of it, you've experienced a musical Angel?

667
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Like Independence Day? Independence Day should

668
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: be a musical. I mean, where is it? Where is it?

669
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: I know? I have full stories in these songs, full stories.

670
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. I have struck up a friendship with Wanona

671
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: jud and she's amazing. I mean, she's just that it's huge,

672
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: and I always am like that's her story is a

673
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: musical and with you even the songs. Are you kidding?

674
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: That's a hit on Broadway. I mean, SuDS are legacy family,

675
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: they are for over, they're reuniting too. I'm like, I

676
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: gotta get to show. Yeah. Absolutely, I think. I think

677
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: you're at a pretty cool time now where you're like

678
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: I think because because you're hanging out with Lucinda Williams too.

679
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: She's she's more like, well, you guys, breath you guys

680
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: have struck up for you, guys have truck up a friendship.

681
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: I would say. I would say that I am such

682
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: a big fan that I was like annoyingly buzzing around

683
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: for a years and then she was sort of forced

684
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: to be like, who are you Okay? Yes, cool, you

685
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: can sit with me for an hour and that's you're

686
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: hanging out? What we're hanging out? I I mean she

687
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: is to me, she's my favorite of all time. I

688
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: think she's I think she's the best songwriter period. Wow,

689
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: I believe it. And to get to be in in

690
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: her orbits so cool. Have you ever brushed elbows with

691
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: Natalie Maine's and the girls? God no, but I do

692
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: you know? The chicks are playing at the Greek in

693
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: l A in the summertime and Jenny was opening and

694
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's my dream show. That's going to be

695
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: I know they really, I mean, she's another one we

696
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: could if we could have taken it in that direction,

697
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: to the Jenny Lewis direction. But let's let's let's do

698
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: it for one second. And I want to talk to

699
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: you about Fiona. Oh, let's go. Okay, I'm also on

700
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: that person done with the chicks, But what's what's do

701
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: a quick detour? Okay. Jenny Lewis saw her in Chicago.

702
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: Um and all she plays all the heads, but then

703
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: she ends. I think she ended with arms outstretched and

704
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: it's the perfect song that everyone in the audience can

705
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: like chant along to and it just makes me cry

706
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: every time. So beautiful, so beautiful. I love her. She

707
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: took me out. I mean she was I would not

708
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: have started playing music probably if not for Ryle Kylie.

709
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I was into country and like also

710
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: like you know, kind of grew up into musical theater

711
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: and like it was definitely a performing arts kid, and

712
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: but then got into like punk rock and sort of

713
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: like Harsher more indie music and um, Ryle Kylie is

714
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: sort of like this intersection of all of those things.

715
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: You know, she sings beautifully and like the melodies are

716
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: more palatable, but it is still sort of idiosyncratic and

717
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: like left of center. So it just I was like, Oh,

718
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: that is the thing I want to do. I think

719
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: I think you found it because I think because I

720
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: think I've heard you say an interviews that you want

721
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: to use you might aspire to be like genre less.

722
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: You know, that's my favorite, that's my favorite. I think

723
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: you're there, I really do. I mean because because like

724
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's tough to say because there's

725
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: elements and everything. And then when when you talk about

726
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: your influences, like I'm almost surprised because it's so easy

727
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: to get caught up in like what did you ever

728
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: want to sing? Like that big country music? Like a

729
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: woman stands behind a microphone and a gown like that.

730
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I have been like wearing

731
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: a lot of gowns lately, but I think that I

732
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: don't know, I could see it, you know, because there's

733
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: something glam about it. It's glam and and that's so fun,

734
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: and that's so fun. I someone wants described pop as

735
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: like the sum of everything, you know, like if you

736
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: zoom out, pop meodies are just the sum of everything.

737
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: And so in that way that that's sort of like

738
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: what I always want to aspire to, just something that's

739
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: it's it's universally sort of understood as melodic and big

740
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: melodies and pop and and like lyrics that aren't pretentious

741
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: but are smart. You know. That's that's kind of what

742
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm always going Everyone has a home in it somehow. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Wow,

743
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that a lot. Is this

744
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: a potential direction you're going to go in? Oh my god, Bowen,

745
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I am so maybe. I mean,

746
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, who I really love. I'm so curious if

747
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: you guys have a relationship with this person. But who

748
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: I really love and have been trying to emulate with

749
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: the songs I've been working on sort of slowly. Is

750
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: Tom Petty? Um? Oh my god, you know I get

751
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: that too. That makes sense, right, Yeah, Like he's really

752
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: that of like the sum of everything. It's it's a

753
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: little of this, a little of that, and it just

754
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: equals big, huge pop songs. And you know that's what's

755
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, what's so funny about that? When Tom Petty

756
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: played the Super Bowl a while back, I remember being like,

757
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: what the fund is this? And then it actually makes

758
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: sense because it's of what we're saying. Everyone has everyone,

759
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: the American Girls like everyone. Everyone can latch onto it

760
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 1: in some way exactly. Yeah, so yeah, maybe in that way. Um,

761
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: I'm so far from I'm way farther from a new

762
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: album than I want to be. You know what, it

763
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: comes so fair. Once it starts coming, it comes, So

764
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: that's how I am. I just have to wait and

765
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I think it's so it's

766
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: also okay that that time didn't come during the pandemic

767
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: because it was such a shift of life, you know

768
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, and we were we had Marion

769
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: Morris on the show. Um, the episode comes out soon,

770
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: but she was talking about how like the pandemic allowed

771
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: her to be creative, but it wasn't out of like

772
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: an impetus to be creative. It was more of like, oh,

773
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: this happened, and now I'm going to deal with the

774
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: fact that this happened. And then you know, in terms

775
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: of like touring it or putting it out whatever. And

776
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: I also feel like there's something to the fact that,

777
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: like you put this album out on Mary like it

778
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: has not seen its life through, Like you are someone

779
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: who discourse with their music. You must go out there

780
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: and play this music life like. That's probably has to

781
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: do with it too. Absolutely, it's it's basically like this

782
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: state of arrested development with its yet yeah, exactly exactly,

783
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 1: She's still in the nest um. So yeah, I think

784
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 1: that's really true. It's just it's the longest album cycle

785
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: of all time. It's no complaints, no complains. The three

786
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: of us have something in common, which is where we've

787
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: all We're all Bellhouse Growl. We've all performed, isn't God?

788
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: They would? It would be insane, But you could come

789
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: back and do a show at the bell You can

790
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: probably do like a whole week at the Bellhouse, like

791
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: the summer. I would. I mean, I'd love a little

792
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: Bellhouse residency. Moment. God, such a cute space, honestly, and

793
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: also for comedy, for comedy rock. It really, it really

794
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: is such a fun night for comedy. I've I've also

795
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: seen such wacky ship there. I saw Point Break live there.

796
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: Do you know about point Break Live? So it's sort

797
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: of like a rocky horror picture type thing, where like

798
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: it's like the actors are acting and out and everyone

799
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 1: in the crowd is like a die hard point break

800
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: plan and like nose the interacts with it and it's

801
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: like one of those. But I saw that at the Bellhouse,

802
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 1: and now looking back, it's so reads as a place

803
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: where that would be because it is interactive, you know

804
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's kind of feel really good, especially

805
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: as your music is getting probably one of the time

806
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: at the time you play this, when it was getting bigger,

807
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: it probably felt like full in a way that was

808
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: so exciting. Absolutely, I love like a stage where you're

809
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: you're just in the room with everyone you know. It

810
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: feels super intimate, but but also like really alive. It's Yeah,

811
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: it's a great, perfect space. Love it. We love the

812
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: Bell House. Okay, Okay, that's what we did. I don't

813
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: think so, honey live, those are our best memories live

814
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: shows there from you do um Okay, next detour, Fiona,

815
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: I've heard you say that. Well, I think you and

816
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: I both share a deep appreciation for either wheel that

817
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 1: might I know, I think you might be affected the

818
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: bolt Cutters girl, But I think I'm I'm an Eidler,

819
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: real person really all the way. Yes, nothing against fetch

820
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: a door Fetch I think it's great. It's honestly, that's

821
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: probably my number two at this point. But Either Wheel

822
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: is like a masterpiece in its own right. The lyrics

823
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: Iidler will hit me a little harder, I think, yeah,

824
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: because yeah, yeah, because I would say that's just more

825
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: like I think it's Fiona at her most distilled anger,

826
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: which is which is everyone's favorite thing about her, and

827
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: like and like it is this beautiful thing. Like Fiona

828
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: like flips the whole like you know, scorned woman trope

829
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: on its head, and she like doesn't give a ship

830
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: if she comes off as like angry or unhinged or whatever.

831
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: Like that's just the beauty of Fiona. But I feel

832
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: like Either Will was the most I don't know, I

833
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: just there's some distance, like from whatever that album is about.

834
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: There's some space between her and that and and and

835
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: I feel like we fetch it. You're so right, it's

836
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: so distilled, it's so raw, it's so angry, and that

837
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: is like you know, if you were to sort of

838
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: distill Fiona down into like a couple descriptors, it would

839
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: be like angry and you know, so I think that

840
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: that it is sort of like the highest dose of

841
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: Fiona that you can possibly get. And there's something sort

842
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: of nice about the space and I the Wheel for

843
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: me um where it is it's almost it almost comes

844
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: off as like more thoughtful and poetic and um, whereas

845
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: Fetches just like raw um either really came out. Oh

846
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: but we're we're all around the same age. It came

847
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: out for me after right after college, Matt. It was

848
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: right after college. It was and it was like this

849
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: album that like the summer of I just like I

850
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: could not stop listening to. Like the last album that

851
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: I had that with was like gwen Stefani l Amb.

852
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,479
Speaker 1: It was like this album that I could not stop listen.

853
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: There was nothing from that pointwelve and nine year gap,

854
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: but no, it was. It was. It was. It's one

855
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: of those albums that you get like once every decade,

856
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: honestly where you're like blackout thet's down dead. But either

857
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: Wheel was like I was like you remember that time, Matt,

858
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: Like I was like miserable. You were not happy, you

859
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: were not I was not happy, and like it was

860
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: this album that like I could like like I don't

861
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: know as that was. I think also during any transition

862
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: time in your life, the albums do jump out, Like

863
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember it was Ingrid Michaelson's album when

864
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: we were in um the song Forget About People, Blood Brothers.

865
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: I love that song and just like whatever the album was,

866
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm losing the name right now, but also right before then,

867
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: like Tegan and Sarah for some reason, those that at

868
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: the end, what was the heart throb heart Okay, I

869
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 1: the first time I ever toured Europe was opening Fortiguing

870
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: and Sarah on the Shore and they Heaven on Earth

871
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: and you guys should have them on the pod. You

872
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: really should. Honestly, they are so funny and they were

873
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: they just like delivered so many like nuggets of wisdom

874
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: that I still draw back to now. I mean, they

875
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: gave me so much good advice and we're just so

876
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: warm and welcoming and amazing and they're the best. I mean,

877
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: drove me wild. Like I remember when they when they

878
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: put out that song, is like how dare they do this?

879
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: Like it just feels like I don't know. It sort

880
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: of reminded me of like that moment when Liz Fair

881
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: went pop and I've almost like suck her, and I

882
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: was like, what are you talking about this? She made

883
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: one of the best pop songs ever. Why can't I?

884
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god. We just so we pump up every

885
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: night before we go on stage. We like someone DJs

886
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: and we just like dance, and someone put that on

887
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: a couple of nights ago and we all just went off.

888
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: We just got It's one of those that everyone's singing

889
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: along so good. The bridge also, I mean just purely

890
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: like the chorus the what kid, It's such a genius

891
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: hook that I think people then this is how I

892
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: feel about like people's quote unquote serious music people sometimes

893
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: is that it's just like it's an anger that things

894
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: were fun and that it could be that easy for

895
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: someone to be also that commercial. But that's just what

896
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 1: a genius she is. I mean, don't hate her because

897
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: she's beautiful exactly. And I think that that album was

898
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: was one of the Pitchfork albums that they apologized for.

899
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: They apologize for the lie because they give a zero

900
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: point zero rating, and that's just like, come on, I mean,

901
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: and here's the thing. I am like a die hard

902
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: Liz Fair fan of all the early stuff, Like I

903
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: think she Eville is, but it is, like, I mean,

904
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: it's undeniable that that song is. I remember at the

905
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: time thinking this is an amazing how could she Exactly?

906
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: It doesn't just sneak into romantic comedy trailers, guys, you

907
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean Exactly my accident, it's not in

908
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: the fabric of the movie so that it's in the

909
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: trailer like it's something someone has to create and it's

910
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: perfect for that. But yeah, I um, it's just it's

911
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 1: those formative albums that I think attached to a time period,

912
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: and for you, you're also saying it attached to an emotion,

913
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: which was I think the pression I'm a tulip in

914
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: a cup by growing up, Like, like, what an amazing

915
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: genius lyric that the first I'd say, like four bars

916
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: of Valentine. That song, it's some of my favorite lyrics

917
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: that have ever been written. That's I listen to that

918
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: song and I'm like, this is why she's a genius.

919
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: It's so oh my god. They're that lyric about like

920
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: her eating dinner and it was salted with her tears

921
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: or something exactly good. And then Hot Knife, which is

922
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: just just percussion and her her vocals later on top

923
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 1: of each other. Genius. Okay, now back to the checks,

924
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: back to the check, Well, could I just I just

925
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: want to say, like it's I'm just so excited that

926
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: they're going to play like in l A. Because I

927
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 1: feel like that is their crowd now, like that crowd

928
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: that goes to to these shows like that, and I

929
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: just it's um, I mean, for me, it's it's weird

930
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: to say because they're so formative and they live in

931
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: our hearts because of what they did earlier. But I mean,

932
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: taking the long way like that, just like I just

933
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: feel like that's as a statement after everything that also

934
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: was the best music they had done. It's just and

935
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: also I feel like they now they can really be

936
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: quiet and introspective because there's nothing about them that's trying

937
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: to even then the smaller songs like really entertained. They

938
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: just need to express and it's like that's why I

939
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: really love their new albums. And talking about a Pandemic

940
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: album that was incredible and I did not think this

941
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: last album got its do but Gas Lighter, that whole

942
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: album was great. I completely agree. And you know what's

943
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 1: really powerful to me about it is I think about

944
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: the chicks and growing up in Alabama and like how

945
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: important that band was for women, and like, I feel

946
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: like there's so many women in rural like in the

947
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: rural South and just in rural America that like, I

948
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: have never even heard the word gas lighter. They don't

949
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: even know that. The concepts of that are like maybe

950
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: new or foreign. And that's so powerful that that's this big,

951
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: this big pop music that sort of has has these

952
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: these bigger concepts. I think it's just so such a

953
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: cool choice and so like I feel like the way

954
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: that they felt, the way that the Chicks famously fell

955
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: off and like you know, making these bigger political statements,

956
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: it's just so like Chef's Kiss that they finally are

957
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: kind of getting their time. Yeah, Yeah, nothing more satisfying

958
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: than that. I hope. I hope that they're like just

959
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: absolutely relishing in that. But I hope so too. I

960
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: remember taking a long way like sweeping at the Grammys

961
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: that year. Yeah, I think both as a statement for

962
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: the time and also because like that music was genuinely

963
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: so powerful. I mean, not ready to make nice. The

964
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: second verse, it's iconic, it's iconic, it is it is

965
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: just a primal cry against everything that had happened, and

966
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: also for it to have for it to be the

967
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: second verse and the highlight of the whole song, with

968
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,959
Speaker 1: the emotional center priests of the whole song. There's something

969
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: in there. It's just so cool, and you know, it's

970
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: one of those songs that you see covered but it

971
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: could never know. It's like it's like I don't want

972
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: to miss a thing, or I will Always love You,

973
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: or any of these like a classic iconic songs where

974
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: it's like there was a moment and there was a

975
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: voice that did it, and it's just iconic and it

976
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: once you try to emulate it, you're just emulating it,

977
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: or you're not. You're not matching up in terms of

978
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: what you're doing with it. It's just one of those

979
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: songs that matches artists forever. Yeah, completely agree. I really

980
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: admire Katie, that you are, that you like, you like covers,

981
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: that you like performing them, and I wonder what your

982
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: processes in terms of choosing something. I mean, I I

983
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: treat it like I treat my own songs sort of

984
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: where I just anything that makes me feel really lit

985
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: up and excited is usually kind of what I gravitate towards.

986
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: Um So anything I can just picture like, oh, this

987
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: is going to feel so good to sing. Um. So

988
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 1: I that's how I've been picking. But I mean we're

989
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: doing we're doing two right now, but we you know

990
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: we are. I'm always like throwing ideas out of my band,

991
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: like can you guys like learn this by sound check?

992
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 1: You know. Um, that's kind of how we keep it fresh,

993
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: is just introducing new covers into the conversation. It's it's

994
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: so good do you do? You do? Listen you do?

995
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: Fruits of my Labor doing Friends of my Labor, um,

996
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: lot of a clear bood morning. Those are the two

997
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: were doing right now. Okay, great. But then one of

998
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: my favorite covers period Jessica Simpson with you, Oh my God.

999
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: And I listened to this all the time like it's

1000
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: it's it really is just one of those because because

1001
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: that really, again it's just a well written pop song.

1002
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny. So I guess god it

1003
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: must have been. Lena emailed me and said, I woke

1004
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night and I'd have

1005
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: this dream that you sang with You by Jessica Simpson.

1006
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: I think it should be in the show for it.

1007
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: She was, well, it was for the Girl's soundtrack. So

1008
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: she wrote me and was like, I have this idea

1009
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: and I thought about it and I was like, I

1010
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: cannot picture how to do that song. That's I'm I

1011
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: feel like pretty confident about my ability to tackle most songs,

1012
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: you know, Like I love making songs my own, I

1013
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: love interpreting them, and that one I was like, I

1014
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: am drawing a blank. But we did it and she

1015
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: loved it, and now people it's it is when people

1016
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: a really like but it's surprising to hear. It's like

1017
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: one of those things when you're doing it. It's like

1018
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: it starts and you hear the words and you're like,

1019
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 1: is that it? Sure is? Yeah, it sounds removed enough

1020
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: in the best way from the source material that you're like, hey,

1021
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: that recognition setting in is just kind of a beautiful

1022
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: moment of like wow, totally absolutely. I appreciate it so

1023
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: much more now. At the time, I was like, it

1024
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: was ten years ago. I was like angsty, kind of

1025
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: like took myself too seriously and was like I have

1026
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: to sing these lyrics, you know, And now now I

1027
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: appreciate it more. Yeah, do you who who is your

1028
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: favorite pure pop musician? Do you have one god, Um gosh, yeah,

1029
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: I mean I pay pretty close attention to pop music

1030
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: and and do like ultimately think it's the best music

1031
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: that's currently being made. Probably. Um, but I mean I

1032
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: love Taylor, I love Beyonce. You know, I feel like

1033
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: those those two are the ones that I sort of

1034
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: think are the high water mark of like pop songs

1035
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: right now, because again, like I said it, for me,

1036
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, is really all about

1037
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: the songs. Yes, yea, you you recorded sing Cloud and

1038
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: Long Pond where Taylor was and then but then you

1039
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: you said this to me one time where you were

1040
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: like where you feel some sort of artistic connection to

1041
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: every one of Taylor's eras in some way we were

1042
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: really aligned for a second where it I remember when

1043
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: n came out right after that Ivy Trip came out,

1044
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: and it felt kind of like kindred in a way,

1045
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: like they were both sort of these like like a

1046
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: new direction, you know. Even the artwork is like sort

1047
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: of similar, you know. Um, and then reputation came out

1048
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: when Out in the Storm came out, and those are

1049
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: the ones that are those are really tied in my mind.

1050
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: And then um, let's see, I mean the Folk and Cloud.

1051
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: I feel like there's some parallel exactly, and they're they're

1052
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 1: kind of pandemic albums, you know, a hundred percent. So

1053
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: Red and really Installed it was I think Red and

1054
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,479
Speaker 1: Is really installved. Yes, So I didn't even think about

1055
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 1: that one yet. And I mean Colors, you know, Colors

1056
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: and like and a little bit of a breakthrough for

1057
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: both because Red was sort of her first real step

1058
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: into pop music and um, yeah, so I I've always

1059
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: sort of we're the same age, you know, And yeah,

1060
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm always just like, yeah, we're on We're sort of

1061
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: plugged into some kind of similar way length. I think, yeah,

1062
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: do you feel like that Bowen like did were we

1063
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: are our reputation era? When she really reputation? I think

1064
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: were I was? I was I was. We all needed it,

1065
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: we all needed when it came out. It's perfect timing.

1066
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: That was the return to Saturn. I have to inform you.

1067
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: Reputation era was the return to Saturn. And that's just

1068
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: the way that goes. Wait, it was mine, it was mine.

1069
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: It was because we're all on the same age. Yeah,

1070
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: it was mine too, Saturn, and I think it was

1071
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: hers too, And she emerged a butterfly and lover. Absolutely

1072
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: a colorful, prideful of butterfly. I know, I do actually

1073
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: think that St. Cloud is sort of lover and folklore

1074
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: kind of yes, married, yes it is. Wow, I need

1075
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: the beginning. I mean, I hope that you guys felt

1076
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: like butterflies after your Saturn return. I certainly absolute, Oh

1077
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: my god, no, I've never been more of a lover

1078
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: era than when I first left. I don't think I

1079
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: still think I'm going through. I think I'm still in

1080
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: my Saturn return, are you? I don't know? Two? Like,

1081
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's like eighteen months. Yeah, it's

1082
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: like a time of like twenty seven. Saturn works differently

1083
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: for me. I think, okay, icon, okay of the time.

1084
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, I've already asked you. I mean the sun,

1085
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: the sun? What are you? What are your what's your chart?

1086
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: What are your three? What's your chart? My Cafricorn, which

1087
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: I really identify with the dolly of it all? You know?

1088
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: And I let's see, I'm a tourist rising and a

1089
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: sagittarious moon Okay, very grounded, very on earth. YEA a

1090
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: whole lot of fire in there too. Yeah, absolutely definitely

1091
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: What are you? Two? I should know this, but I'm

1092
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: a jot. Pisces water water excuse rising Pisces cancer moon.

1093
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, watery water never stops? Do we do we?

1094
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm divisive as a Scorpio. People clutch their pearls. No,

1095
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: I love you, but also you see what he just did.

1096
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: What he just did, making it a subject of debate. Oh,

1097
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: I love it. All the boys in my band or

1098
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: water signs, and I just I surround myself with the

1099
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: water sign man. It's really it's what I like. Is

1100
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: it emotional? Yes, that's what I need. Yeah, I love that.

1101
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm sort of the grounded, sort of like center of

1102
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: the circle. It's really it makes me. It really gives

1103
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: me a sense of purpose and it's great. Yeah. I

1104
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: just Oh my god, Katie, I fucking love you. I

1105
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: love you too. I'm so I can't tell you guys

1106
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: how excited I am to be here. I just I'm

1107
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: in heaven. I mean it is it is a true

1108
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: honor to have you here. Here's the thing. So it's

1109
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: like I feel like like the expected, like Katie lost,

1110
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: college is going to be We talked about music the

1111
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: entire time, but I also want to know what the

1112
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: funk you were watching and I want you to tell

1113
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: us give a please a picture of your sorry, but

1114
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: media diet, we must know. Okay, um, let's see what

1115
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: am I watching. I just finished Bridgert in season two. Okay,

1116
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: did you guys watch Britain? I didn't watch this season.

1117
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: I watched the first season, but because I heard that

1118
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: in the second season, like there's not even any drama

1119
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: about where any come goes. It's just like sort of

1120
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: like a straightforward like dating show. It is. It's a

1121
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: really straightforward It's a lot of like heavy breathing and

1122
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: like sort of like longing stairs and it's very Jane Austen. Yeah,

1123
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: we love that, so that I mean, it's funny because

1124
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: I'm on tour, so we don't. I don't watch that

1125
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: much TV when I'm home. I watched a lot of TV.

1126
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: But I'm in Salake City right now and everyone is

1127
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: all my boys are like freaking out about real housewives.

1128
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't want the boys. Are A couple

1129
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: of my boys love real housewives, and like we're in

1130
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City and I am just sort of like

1131
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I could get into this, and I

1132
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: know I know that you guys like it. So yeah,

1133
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: maybe that's Stalic City might be my entry point. I

1134
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: don't know, you need something dumb to watch? I need something, God,

1135
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: I really need something dumb to watch. You're so right,

1136
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: that's what it is. We all do. It's just just

1137
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: put it on and then you I don't know, are

1138
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: you what? What's the motive? Transportation? Is it? Is? It?

1139
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: Is it? Yeah? And what is that? Like? What is

1140
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: that bus culture? Like? Oh my god, thank you so

1141
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: much for asking. Um, it is it is not really

1142
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: that much more glamorous than living on a camper within

1143
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: other people. Yeah, it's like that. It's pretty much for this.

1144
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: It's kind of rough in it. You know, it's cute.

1145
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: We have like our snacks and like our coffee maker,

1146
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: and you know, there's definitely like a designated morning group,

1147
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: and then there's the late night group. I'm in the

1148
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: morning group. I go to bed early. We live we

1149
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: like sleeping little bunks, um, and so I've made mine

1150
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: kind of cute and it has like a salt lamp

1151
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: and like a quilt and it's sort of nice and

1152
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: they're a salt lamp always does so much like you

1153
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: never you never think about it. But got a salt lamp. Everyone,

1154
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: it's actually rural culture number thirty four. Everyone. I love it.

1155
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: It's I couldn't agree more. It just gives it a

1156
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: nice glow. And what color is it? It's like pink. Yeah,

1157
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: it's like a pink stink. Yeah, like the himal Land salt.

1158
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: Stop laughing now because mine is orange, bigger color blind,

1159
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: so was it might be a pink one rats rat

1160
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: He's got me a gun with the color could very

1161
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: well be pink. But I think it's orange. It's like

1162
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: an orange glow, but a pink It turned off that

1163
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: so I think so, yeah, I think so. So you

1164
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: could say orange, you could say it emits an orange light,

1165
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: which is really nice. Well, whatever it's admitting is fine

1166
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: by me. And the salt lamp it stands. It's such

1167
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: as it's such a must. It's a must, It's a must.

1168
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: I agree. Has Kevin? Has Kevin seen you? Yes? He so.

1169
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: I played the rhyman on this tour, which is a

1170
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: very big honor. And I know I've never been more

1171
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: fucking terrified in my life. And actually a so someone

1172
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: pulled a fire alarm any minutes before I was set

1173
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: to take the stage. We don't know. I mean that's

1174
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: what the fire marshal was like, we think it's a poll.

1175
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: We don't know, but it's either a malfunction or someone

1176
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: has pulled this fire alarm. Um. So that happened like

1177
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: three minutes before we're supposed to go on. So that

1178
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: was kind of like your wedding day, you know what

1179
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: I mean a little bit. But then we got back

1180
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: on track and the show was great and it was amazing,

1181
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: and Kevin he came for a few days and he

1182
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: was there for that, which was really sweet. His new

1183
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: stuff is so good. Oh my god, it is so good.

1184
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: The record is amazing. I'm really really excited for him.

1185
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I can't wait. Um, this is kind

1186
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: of inspiring. I don't think so, honey that even the

1187
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: fire marshals are like not sure what it is like

1188
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: because you know, there's that moment when when an alarm

1189
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: gets pulled and everyone's like is this real? But then

1190
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: either that lasts the whole time and if it's a

1191
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: fire then good luck, or people are like, wait, we

1192
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: should like ask somebody, and if the fire marshals don't know,

1193
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: then what do you do? Absolutely, I was sort of

1194
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: like tunnel vision sort of like I just need to

1195
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: hopefully still play this show, and so I didn't ask

1196
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: any questions. I was like, we just got to get

1197
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: in there as quickly as possible. And then this show happened,

1198
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,479
Speaker 1: and now we're all sort of less scratching our heads,

1199
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: like what the hell just happened? Really funny? This is like, um,

1200
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: it's always like a weird sociological experiment when a fire

1201
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: alarm gets pulled and how people behave I'm like, literally,

1202
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm it's it's like I'm look, I'm going over the

1203
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: conspt of fire alarms in my head again, and I'm

1204
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: just like transported back telementary school. And there was always

1205
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: that will there won't they with the firearm? Go? Of course,

1206
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: It's like it was sitting right there, it's sitting right there.

1207
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: It's just like anyone's to pull I don't, And I

1208
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: actually I'm curious how many lives are saved by like

1209
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: fire alarms, you know, yeah, and you have to imagine

1210
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: like are they really that effective? Like and is there

1211
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: a better way? Are there smoke detectors we could think about,

1212
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean than the fire like you

1213
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: leave it in my hands and suddenly it's like, you know,

1214
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: it's that ledge that's right there that you're not going

1215
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: to jump off of, but you're good, be good right there.

1216
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's like it's like it's like it's

1217
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: like a naming contest on the internet. Like you don't

1218
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: believe it to regular people to decide something. No, no, no, no,

1219
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: I know. I will say it did inspire. What I

1220
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: felt from stage was that it really had inspired a

1221
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: lot of camaraderie because people all had to stand outside

1222
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,439
Speaker 1: together for like thirty minutes, so when everyone emerged back

1223
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: into the building, they were more excited about the show.

1224
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: So it was a good energy to walk out too.

1225
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: But it was insane right on your running day. It's

1226
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: a good omen in the end, but sort of annoying

1227
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: in the moment. It's a good story kind of even

1228
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: though I love more information, I can't wait for the

1229
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: details to emerge. At some point, I want the person

1230
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: caught him caught. I want to found that paint to

1231
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: the show, to be caught and taken away and questioned. Roughly,

1232
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: I want to and punished to the fullest extent of

1233
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: the fullest extent of the lot I can what's like

1234
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: I don't know because when you were in elevateor school,

1235
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: and they always said if you pulled the fire alarm,

1236
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: you would get expelled, like they like it was the

1237
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: worst thing you could do. So what's I guess? I

1238
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: guess hardcore life imprisonment as the adult sort of you know,

1239
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: did you guys have this? Like the urban legend in

1240
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: our school is that it's sprays an ink on your

1241
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: hand so that I know, so that like people can

1242
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: find you and like you know you're the one who

1243
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: pulled it. Like, I don't think the technology is that

1244
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: sphyated even when someone tells you don't be in this

1245
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: pool because this pool is a special thing where it

1246
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: turns red. And like I said, you tell the scare

1247
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: of the children into behaving, you know, fear based learning. Wow,

1248
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: I mean where did that get us in the end?

1249
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: Nowhere we're all messes because now I have no I

1250
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: have no fear when an alarm goes off, I go, yeah,

1251
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: it happens here all the time my ampartment too, And

1252
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: you always get an email that's like never mind, it's

1253
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: never I mean, yeah, wind has a fire alarm really

1254
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: been Like it's a dire situation and you need to

1255
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: get out of here. It's everyone is so blase about

1256
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: them now. I that was we sort of all backstage

1257
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,959
Speaker 1: looked at each other and we're like, are we doing

1258
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: this or are we staying? And then we eventually were

1259
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: told to leave. But what was it like growing up

1260
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: in Birmingham? Like? What did you go to public school

1261
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: in Birmingham? Yeah? It was great? Yeah, yeah, I mean

1262
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Speaker 1: I do you have more questions? I would. It's such

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01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: a it's such an opposite of where I like went to.

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01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: I just wonder if it was, like it wasn't a

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Speaker 1: very conservative environment. I guess this is my question. Yea, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's curty. And I didn't grow up super religious or anything,

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01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: so I was sort of surrounded by a lot of churchiness,

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01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: but it was sort of like kind of from an

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01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: early age, I was able to parse that and just

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01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: sort of you know, I think, yes, exactly, Um, but yeah,

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01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: it's so it's super conservative. But I also, you know,

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01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: pretty early on was playing shows and like the city

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01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: of Birmingham, and I mean, it's amazing. It's sort of

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01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: I love the South. I think it's obviously has its

1275
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:31,799
Speaker 1: drawbacks politically and stuff, but there's a lot of amazing bubbles. Um,

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01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: and it's just there's so much color and personality and

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01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, I think it's kind of the best.

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01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: I love the South too. I love visiting there. It

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01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: just got weird over the past couple of years because

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01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: you're in your head about the cultural differences, I think.

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01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: But of course I really enjoyed being there. Yeah. I mean,

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01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'll say this, like kind of coming up

1283
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: in like a cool music scene there and stuff, I

1284
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 1: feel like conversations about politics were had like more openly

1285
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: because of where we were, So I sort of feel

1286
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: like I grew up with a lot of that. It

1287
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 1: all kind of being out on the table a little

1288
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: bit more. Um at least that's sort of been my perspective.

1289
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 1: But um, but yeah, I think it's pretty magical, you know.

1290
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: I think that it's almost like because of that struggle,

1291
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 1: the people that kind of make it out or make

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01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: it sort of um or just find like another way

1293
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: of looking at things then what's normal there. Um, it

1294
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: makes it like that much cooler or something. But yeah, yeah,

1295
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: but I feel like I look at like, not to

1296
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: bring her up again, but like flow million, I'm like, oh,

1297
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: like this like this is this like works anywhere, but

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01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 1: I guess it could have only come from Alabama, just

1299
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: she identifies with it so much and her and her

1300
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: stuff that I'm just like, I've always had the impression

1301
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: that like burbing him and I guess a Mobile like

1302
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: she's from Mobile. Yeah, she's from Mobile. Got like like

1303
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: music town's kind of or some or some music culture

1304
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: there that like I don't know, is that is that?

1305
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 1: Is that I mean totally off? No, I think, I mean,

1306
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: I can't speak for Mobile. I I the first out

1307
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 1: of town show I ever played in my whole life,

1308
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: when I was fifteen years old, was in Mobile and

1309
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: it was definitely like kind of strange and haunted. But Birmingham,

1310
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: but I mean formally it's like we're in totally different worlds.

1311
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: But I I for the indie scene in Mobile is

1312
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: like not totally existent as far as I can, Okay, okay,

1313
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: but Birmingham was like yeah, I mean I feel like

1314
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: I I came up playing all kinds of shows with

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01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: like a metal band and like an indie band and

1316
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: a folk band. Is like all the bills were really

1317
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: diverse because there wasn't like a ton of stuff going on,

1318
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: and that way I got like a heavy dose of

1319
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: all different kinds of music kind of all the time

1320
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 1: and then and they're kind of just like shapes you

1321
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 1: into an artist and a songwriter that like can sort

1322
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: of you know, aspired a genre lessness because you you

1323
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: knew early on to sort of co exist with with

1324
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: with with everything. Yeah, totally, yeah, And I think that's

1325
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 1: really true. And you know, there's we were so adjacent

1326
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: to Nashville in Atlanta and Athens and New Orleans, and

1327
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: like we're really close to all those places. So I

1328
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: was always traveling to other like cool southern cities to

1329
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 1: play too. Yeah. Where where from? He is from Gulf Shores,

1330
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,759
Speaker 1: which is like the very little there's like a little

1331
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: like tip of Alabama. It's down there, like right by

1332
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: the panhandle of Florida on the beach. We I love

1333
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: wit too. He did a little time in Birmingham, I think,

1334
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: and I know he would he was in bands and

1335
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 1: was aware of my bands like that kind of thing.

1336
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: But we didn't know each other till we we all

1337
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: left Alabama. But you god, he's you're both so cool.

1338
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: He's the best. He's so great and so so funny.

1339
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: Do you know who I'm thinking of right now who

1340
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 1: else is genreal lists? Remember you're going to fall on

1341
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: the ground. Jimmy Buffett, Oh my god. He And that's

1342
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: why he's he huge, honey. And that's why mar brand

1343
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: because everyone has a home in it. It's drinking exactly,

1344
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 1: it's just getting drunk. It's going on vacation. Everyone has

1345
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: a home in it. Everyone Like you listen to Jimmy

1346
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: Buffett to just feel like you're on vacation. That's brilliant.

1347
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: It's really really it's branding one on one. It's actually

1348
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: Ruler culture number seventy two. Jimmy Buffett is branding. Did

1349
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: I tell you Matt that we wet? Like me? Kyle

1350
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: and Hide were planning like like a writer cast, like

1351
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: outing for work at SNL because like people just haven't

1352
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: gotten to hang out with each other um this year,

1353
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: and so we were like, it's gotta be close to work,

1354
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 1: it's gotta be close to thirty Rock, but it's gotta

1355
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: be like fun, like it can't be like some like

1356
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 1: random bars. You know where you gotta go. I think

1357
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: Kyle suggested Margarite of Ville. I was like, I didn't

1358
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: know there was one in Times Square. There is wet

1359
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 1: and we had a blast. Yeah. I also is going

1360
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: to be the one to suggest Margaritaville because Kyle Mooney,

1361
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: I have it on good authority, is a Disney person.

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01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: She loves Buffett and Disney are tied. They are absolutely

1363
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 1: they live right here and that they live right here,

1364
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 1: and I wish people could see in my hands, but

1365
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: right where my hands are touching, that's where they live.

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01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: And literally that was my entire childhood, like going to

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01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:33,719
Speaker 1: Disney World and being at Margaritaville. That's Long Island culture, though, Katie,

1368
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: I mean, if you didn't stay long enough to understand

1369
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: like the mindset that that you choose to go where

1370
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 1: you want to escape, that is only Margaritaville. I bet

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01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett is huge. That my parents used to go

1372
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: to Jones Beach like to Telegate and watch him all

1373
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: the time. And I feel bad because I never got

1374
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: to the point where I could do that. But like once,

1375
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 1: I say, I want the experience once and then it

1376
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: probably is way too much. The experience of a Margarita

1377
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: Margarita Ville X concert where it's like screaming chaotic e

1378
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: girls and it's the funnest time in the world. I

1379
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 1: don't know that the energy would be as good. Whatever

1380
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: was was. It was Orlando, a vacation spot for you

1381
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: guys in Alabama or now. Yeah, my dad's from Alabama,

1382
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: excuse me, from Orlando, so we would go to visit

1383
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: the family. And it was conveniently located just right next

1384
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 1: to Disney World, which is really great for us as children. Know.

1385
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: What was your favorite right or attraction? Oh my god,

1386
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: thank you for asking. It's been so long since I've

1387
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: been there. I think I love Space Mountain and I

1388
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: remember being kind of like finally old enough to do

1389
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: Space Mountain, just feeling like so cool it is. I

1390
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 1: think about it sometimes like it is just a roller

1391
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: coaster that's in the dark. You gotta you gotta go.

1392
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: As of late, because they really production value has really

1393
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 1: increased in the mountain itself, in the mountain itself, not

1394
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: haunted inside the mountain itself. It's actually become a real spectacular. No,

1395
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: it's become a real specter track lighting every now and then.

1396
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 1: Oh my god, but Tron is coming to Disney World. Bo. Yeah,

1397
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, so Space not two point oh if you will,

1398
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,799
Speaker 1: I'm happy to hear that. Um, when you're a haunted

1399
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 1: mansion person. Um, yes, but also I get spooked at

1400
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: that stuff still to this scared person. I'm a scared person,

1401
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: like I don't think going to like the really extreme

1402
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: haunted houses during Halloween is fun at all. You know

1403
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: what's weird. I identify as being an extremely afraid person,

1404
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 1: but I do love the haunted houses. I really love

1405
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 1: to get out and run, you know, running, get out

1406
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,759
Speaker 1: and run for your life. Yeah, well then is goofy

1407
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: Katie can handle it now? You see the humor, of

1408
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,879
Speaker 1: course there's I mean, I'm a tronic. They're a little spooky,

1409
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 1: a little big, and this day for adults, for grown

1410
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 1: people like us. I think it's time. I think it

1411
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: might be time. I don't. I don't think so. Honey, Bowen,

1412
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 1: what's this thing again? This is our one minute segment

1413
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 1: where we just dress down culture, dress it down, and

1414
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: sometimes it feels great. Sometimes you and I do an

1415
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: okay job at it. We've done it too many times.

1416
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna go for

1417
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: it today and try to be good. I don't mean

1418
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: to bring this energy into this the space. Sorry, yes,

1419
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: it's you have something. I okay, this is this is

1420
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: huge let's do Let's have Matt Rodgers do as I

1421
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: don't think so many as time starts now, I don't

1422
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: think so, honey. Elon Moscow owns Twitter. It's like combine

1423
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: the two worst things in the world. Didn't give them

1424
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: ultimate power? How did this happen? How does one person

1425
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 1: have forty four billion dollars to just sort of, I

1426
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 1: don't know, throw at something like owning Twitter, which I

1427
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 1: can't explain. What is going to happen if he allows

1428
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: Trump to come on for election, which is what I'm hearing,

1429
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 1: and this is the ultimate I don't think so, honey.

1430
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: I have left to give in my loins, hearts, spirit, gut.

1431
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: Please don't let Trump back on Twitter. Please? Can we

1432
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 1: not go back into this narrative? I don't think so, honey.

1433
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: Elon Musk. From what I understand, you're sort of like

1434
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 1: an anthropomorphized like sort of like I guess, I guess

1435
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 1: the robot is anthropomorphized because it kind of goes and mover.

1436
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:46,680
Speaker 1: What I mean to say is that you're sort of

1437
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 1: like a skeletal robot, and like, I don't know about

1438
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 1: giving you power over the social media site Twitter, which

1439
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: already in and of itself is evil. It feels like

1440
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: two evils, and I don't think so, honey. And that's

1441
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 1: one minute. I mean, it's it's tough. It's really tough

1442
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: to understand that he's going to own this weapon. But

1443
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the way I feel when

1444
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: I hear that he's acquired it. Do you guys think

1445
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: people will like just leave? All I can say is

1446
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 1: I certainly left. And someone texted me today almost like

1447
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 1: should I leave? When I told them absolutely yes, oh yeah,

1448
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:28,600
Speaker 1: if you haven't already. I mean, I think i'm he

1449
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 1: is vowing to make it, like to have it be

1450
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: so that like the bots will disappear. He wants it

1451
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 1: to be like it's real people. No, of course, it's

1452
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: It's really just crazy how it happened within like two

1453
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 1: weeks literally, I think April nine was when he put

1454
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:49,799
Speaker 1: in that ninth or that or something like that nine steak.

1455
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: And then now it's like I think he just like

1456
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: probably like talk to some shareholders and now it's like

1457
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 1: it is what it is. I guess that's what happens

1458
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: when you pay forty or billion dollars for it. Can

1459
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: you even imagine this? This? This is the craziest part

1460
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: is that one time he was being a troll and

1461
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 1: he was like, I will pay the u N six

1462
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 1: billion dollars to end world hunger if they can outline

1463
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: a plan. And then they literally they called his bluff

1464
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 1: and literally presented him a plan and he never paid.

1465
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 1: And then now he's paying forty four million billion, forty

1466
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 1: four billion to buy like the fifteen most successful social

1467
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 1: media So it's not even Twitter is not even like

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01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 1: that big of a deal anymore, unfortunately, And I don't

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01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: think it's gonna grow, like it's not like a thing

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01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: he can invest in and grow out of like what

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01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 1: it has become over the past decade. Like I just

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01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 1: I just think it's a weird fucking move and it's

1473
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: purely like a troll instinct. I think he's just doing

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01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 1: it because he's a centric and like wants to do

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01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: something that like we'll get people's attention. Maybe I don't know. Yeah, yeah,

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01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: well it has. It hasn't me spooked, it has and

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01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 1: it gives me the kb gbs um. Anyway, boning do

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01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: you have? I don't think funny top I I sort

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01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 1: of do. And he's going absolutely slay. Are you ready?

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01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm ready. I don't think so, honey, This times for

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01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 1: us now, I don't think so honey. Lip mask versus

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01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 1: lip balmb versus aquifore. I'm in the tertiary market of

1483
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 1: being someone who is keeping track of the differences and

1484
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: looking up what the fuck eclusive means. I don't want

1485
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 1: to the fact that I know what ecclusive means in

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01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 1: a lip balmb or in a moisturizer sucks because I

1487
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 1: would rather know how to like speak French better than

1488
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 1: I do. I would rather remember the plot of thirty

1489
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: seconds Severance after watching it one time through and going,

1490
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't think I'm not dragging it, just

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01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: go I don't. I'm having a hard time, like launching

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01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 1: onto something anyway, lip balmb. I think about you every

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01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 1: day and night. I think about you every moment of

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01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: the day because this feel like I need to top

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01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: up on my lips and it's this thing. It's sisaphian.

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01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: It feels like I I will never sort of like

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01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 1: I'll never, We're never done with our lips, and I

1498
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 1: feel like this is just a prison that you know,

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01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,640
Speaker 1: the market is has created for us that we have

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01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 1: to buy it forever and different differentiate between different types. Yes,

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01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,640
Speaker 1: and that's one minute. What was that word you said, conclusive? Eclusive?

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01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: And what is what is inclusive? It it basically traps

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01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: the moisture under. So for a lipop if a lipom

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01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 1: is inclusive, the only way it's actually effect is effective

1505
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 1: is if you're moist if you like, moisten the skin

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01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: below at first, and then like vassiline is pure, inclusive,

1507
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: thick rich, like you gotta lick your lips first and

1508
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: then put it on for it to do anything to you?

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01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: Can I try something coming to the stage eclusive, I

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01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: don't know, it doesn't really ring the you know the

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01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 1: name occlusive, inclusive, I don't know. And you like, actually, like,

1512
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 1: is there a way to just not have chapped lips?

1513
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: I don't think that that is actually an option. I

1514
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 1: think that we can temporarily moisten them with your bombs,

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01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 1: your masks, etcetera. And then I don't know if twenty

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01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 1: minutes later they're just back to chapped. I think that's

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01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 1: just being a human, putting like an overnight lip mask

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01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 1: on during the day. And I feel like I'm I

1519
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 1: feel like a funk up. I feel like I've done

1520
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: something wrong. Really so you wake up and they're still

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01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: We're still chapped, They're still chapping. Even just I feel

1522
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm breaking the rules. I'm not doing what

1523
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be doing, and like my body knows, like, hey,

1524
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 1: this isn't a lip bomb, this is a sleeping mask.

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01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting here and thinking of a time. I'm

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01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 1: thinking of a time when like we didn't have any

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01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: other stuff like the Little Women era. A little about

1528
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 1: what I think about what those women's those little women's lips,

1529
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 1: they probably were so chapped, like Syarsha needed much more

1530
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 1: chapped lips on the movie. I want to see the movies.

1531
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 1: I want to see the film and television in this

1532
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: country start with chaps. The fact that those lips were chapped,

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01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 1: I understand in their movie stars. But if we're going

1534
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: to really like be eclusive to the times, oh my god,

1535
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:10,719
Speaker 1: we need the chapped lip representation because it was probably

1536
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: a nightmare and it probably felt unbearable and probably a

1537
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: cause of a lot more conflict than we're seeing in

1538
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 1: current films. Yeah, the Gilded Age, I want the chapped age,

1539
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 1: and you know also the dry skin all of it. Yes, yeah,

1540
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 1: like that they don't look like they don't look like that.

1541
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 1: They were gross. They were gross. Thank you. Well, I

1542
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 1: think it's time for Kati Krutchfields. I don't think so, honey.

1543
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 1: And she said she has something. I kind of came

1544
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,719
Speaker 1: up with one in this hotel room that I'm in. Okay,

1545
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 1: So it's art created in this very space. It's created

1546
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,719
Speaker 1: in this space. You're like seeing it happen in real time. Wow,

1547
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 1: this is kat Kretchfields. I don't think so honey. Her

1548
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: time starts now. Okay, I don't think so honey. Overhead

1549
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:06,480
Speaker 1: lighting in general, how is the brightest, bluest, most depressing

1550
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: white the standard that we all just sort of accept

1551
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: as like a society, And like, am I in the

1552
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 1: doctor's office? Am I in a grocery store at two am?

1553
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 1: Like it is like just the general public not care

1554
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: about aesthetics in general, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1555
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,799
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. It's you enter a hotel

1556
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 1: room and you flip the light switch on and it's

1557
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 1: just the brightest, most bare bulb that you've ever seen,

1558
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 1: and the only other option is to walk around and

1559
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: sort of meticulously turn on three to five lamps and

1560
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 1: find your light, Like I want to look my best.

1561
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 1: I want the people in my life to look their best,

1562
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 1: and it's not happening with overhead lighting. I don't think

1563
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: it's not. And that's one minute. Get to bring the

1564
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 1: salt lamp inside. That's we need, see, that's what we need.

1565
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 1: That's why I have. We need the glowy, beautiful light

1566
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 1: like war. We need warm, we need warm lighting. We

1567
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 1: don't need this chilly, frigid blast exactly exactly to us.

1568
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm spending a lot of time in dressing rooms and

1569
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 1: backstages and they are the worst offenders and I'm trying

1570
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:24,680
Speaker 1: to put makeup on and things like that in that

1571
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 1: light and it's just not fun. Why I gotta be

1572
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:29,639
Speaker 1: like that? That that should be, That should be the standard,

1573
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,679
Speaker 1: that should be like the peak lighting. I totally agree.

1574
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I mean, this is the whole

1575
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 1: other I don't think so, honey. But that's sort of

1576
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 1: like newer iPhone, like selfie camera is so unfortunate. It's

1577
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 1: just so like it's just it's way t am I

1578
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, um, and that I think the lighting with

1579
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: that has just been like it's been hard. Oh no.

1580
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 1: On the new iPhone, Yeah, the newest one. It's daily like,

1581
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: it's a lot. It's just too much info. It's it's

1582
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 1: it's a washed out moment, so it's an ore. Oh

1583
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 1: my god. Well listen, I tried to set up my lighting.

1584
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 1: It gorgeous. You guys both like, I've got it overhead,

1585
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 1: but it's warm. It's not you have a warm overhead. See.

1586
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: I've actually been admiring your overheads this whole time, Like,

1587
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 1: how do I get that? Because it's great. I wish

1588
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 1: he hired a lighting designer when he got us l

1589
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,639
Speaker 1: he actually hired a lighting designer for his whole apartment.

1590
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: So wherever he goes, if he even stumbles into some

1591
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: rough lighting, it's good, people will believe that it's yeah,

1592
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: the lighting designer come in. People will think this is true.

1593
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: But I just make a name up. Yes, absolutely, absolutely, Wait, Katie,

1594
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,600
Speaker 1: what a joy. But this is a true joy, and

1595
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: such a joy. Speaking of warmth, I think that that

1596
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 1: that's that's all you exude pretty much. It's just and

1597
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 1: that your shows. I can't wait fort to go see

1598
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:02,879
Speaker 1: you and for people to go see you. So excited already,

1599
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Bowen, give me my number. I'm going

1600
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: to try and come stay high and hang and like, oh,

1601
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:10,799
Speaker 1: that's just I want to be I never meet Sudie.

1602
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 1: I want to meet Sui. We'll jam and wait to

1603
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 1: see the show. Oh my god, fun so fun. I'm

1604
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: so don't I wish you could be here town. A

1605
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 1: couple of days later, it's okay. I I blessed it.

1606
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 1: I think you guys just he blesses it. Not that

1607
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: you needed me to bless it though. I like your blessing.

1608
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 1: Thank you. Duty will be so excited Sudie. Um, they

1609
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 1: listen to St Cloud on our on the first trip

1610
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 1: we both took after lockdown like end of May, and

1611
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 1: we just put it on driving in Long Island. Oh

1612
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: my god, I love that amazing. I'm playing, um it

1613
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 1: gets announce tomorrow. Actually I'm playing in Central Park this summer,

1614
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: so you should come hang out swear and my sister

1615
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 1: in span is playing too. Oh my god, you have

1616
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:00,759
Speaker 1: to come hang if you're around. It's the longest albums

1617
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: like in the world for one of the best albums

1618
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: in the world. So please check out Max and Hatchie

1619
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: on the same Cloud tour. Um. We close every episode

1620
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 1: with the song should we honor the guests um Culture, Yeah,

1621
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 1: why list bass Magas Janeyeds for more. Listen to you

1622
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 1: the checks, the checks on their first album, first album. Yeah,

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01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 1: but of those facts musician historians here,