WEBVTT - Alarming Spike In Ebola Cases, As American Doctor Tests Positive 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, the folks. That is Chuesday, May nineteenth, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>a number of new, significant and concerning updates about the

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<v Speaker 1>ebola outbreak. There has been a significant uptick in the

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<v Speaker 1>number of deaths and cases. An American has now been

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed to have the disease, and meanwhile, the United States

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<v Speaker 1>is taking steps to keep people who've been to that

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<v Speaker 1>region from coming to the country. And with that, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to this episode of Amy and TJ Robes where you

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<v Speaker 1>want to start because as we got like you see

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<v Speaker 1>a headline about numbers, you started reading more and more

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<v Speaker 1>into this and you started quite frankly, freaking more and

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<v Speaker 1>more out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because I actually, obviously we have seen that American test.

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<v Speaker 2>An American tested positive, and I really thought that was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be this episode just talking about who this

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<v Speaker 2>doctor is and who's been exposed. And then I just

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<v Speaker 2>started reading and reading and reading all of these concerns

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<v Speaker 2>that World Health Organization leaders CDC leaders are saying, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is frankly frightening to hear their level of concern. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that makes me concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, certainly Haunta virus very recently they were

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<v Speaker 1>went out of their way to say no risk here,

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<v Speaker 1>there shouldn't be a risk to the international community, and

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<v Speaker 1>so on forward. Initially with Ebola, I think it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of started with some of that language, but Robes it

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<v Speaker 1>became clear pretty quickly that they were behind this disease.

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<v Speaker 1>By a week, two weeks so it had gotten going.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is the problem now, and that is why Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>In recent days we have seen death tolls. Now spike.

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<v Speaker 1>You could argue, this is a spike now we're seeing in.

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<v Speaker 2>Cases absolutely, and you know what, you make such a

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<v Speaker 2>good point. I hadn't even realized that. That is probably

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why today I felt deeply concerned, because we

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<v Speaker 2>heard the exact opposite from health experts when it came

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<v Speaker 2>to hauntavirus and hearing them kind of say, yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>isn't good, and that's not.

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<v Speaker 3>What I want to hear. So here is the latest week.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess let's start with the Americans, because we now

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<v Speaker 2>know yes, one American doctor, he was the person who

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<v Speaker 2>was listed as symptomatic. Well, he did in fact test

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<v Speaker 2>positive for the bundabougio strain. So he has been transported

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<v Speaker 2>to Germany for treatment. But when we say treatment, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>recall if you've been keeping up with this there is

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<v Speaker 2>no known treatment for this particular strain, so they're just

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<v Speaker 2>probably keeping him comfortable monitoring him. But his name is

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Peter Stafford. He's a doctor who has been working

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<v Speaker 2>with the Christian missionary organization called Surge since twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>He was treating patients in Congo, and that is how

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<v Speaker 2>he contracted the disease. And guess what, his wife, who's

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<v Speaker 2>also a physician, doctor Rebecca Stafford, she also is now

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<v Speaker 2>being basically quarantined. She's been flown to Germany, along with

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<v Speaker 2>their four young children and another physician, doctor Patrick la Rochelle,

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<v Speaker 2>who's also with SURGE.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, help me get the number. So seven Americans take

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<v Speaker 1>it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yes, Doctor Stafford, along with six other Americans, including

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<v Speaker 2>basically his entire family, are now all in Germany being monitored.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So only one at this point showing symptoms,

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<v Speaker 1>and he is the one who's now tested positive. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen updates necessarily about his condition and how he's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But a reminder here, if bola does there is a

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<v Speaker 1>vaccine for a particular strain of the disease. This ain't that.

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<v Speaker 1>But Bundabougio, as you just said, is this strain of

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<v Speaker 1>the virus that they do not have a vaccine for,

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<v Speaker 1>and like I said, they don't even know what to

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<v Speaker 1>pull off the shelf. There is no specific treatment for it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the one we're dealing with, and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>one that's causing the concern. But Robes concerned too the numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think back when we first heard about

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<v Speaker 1>the outbreak, what was the first death? That was it

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<v Speaker 1>in the thirties.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't recall what the first one was. I have

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday's death and that's a big search. That is yesterday, Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>The death toll was eighty eight eighty nine depending on

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<v Speaker 2>where you read, and three hundred and thirty six folks

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<v Speaker 2>are cases suspected cases. Today we now have one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one suspected deaths and five hundred and thirteen cases.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's just what they know of.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an area where there may be and almost

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<v Speaker 2>certainly are sickened people, probably even folks who have died

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<v Speaker 2>that they just haven't been able to account for.

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<v Speaker 1>And Robes that therein lies the problem this does have.

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<v Speaker 1>We should remember a slower extuta, a shorter incubation period

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<v Speaker 1>than Hanti virus talking about up to forty five days.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a concern there the people could be out

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<v Speaker 1>for the next month, month and a half somewhere and

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<v Speaker 1>don't even realize they've been infected. This is a little different.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though it's two to twenty one days robes, it's

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<v Speaker 1>still they say, the sweet spot, if you will start

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<v Speaker 1>to use that term, is somewhere about a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they say the average the average incubation is anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>from eight to ten days upon exposure.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's still think about that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've been exposed to this virus, and certainly those

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<v Speaker 2>six other Americans they have said very specifically, have absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>been exposed by the doctor and certainly just by the environment.

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<v Speaker 3>But it can it can take up to.

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<v Speaker 2>Three weeks for you to actually develop symptoms, but almost

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<v Speaker 2>certainly at least a week a week and a half,

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<v Speaker 2>So that waiting time is frightening.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't gotten any indication yet. We would know, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>rose at this point if somebody got sick somebodywhere else

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. Again, we're talking about someone before we

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<v Speaker 1>were aware of the outbreak. Somebody in that area could

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten on a plane and flown absolutely those where

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<v Speaker 1>and could be somewhere in the world sick right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I assume we know about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't assume anything because they might not be sick yet.

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<v Speaker 2>When we just found out about this, and so did

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<v Speaker 2>the World Health Organization, which was their big concern. We

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<v Speaker 2>all just found out about this this weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Tuesday, okay, so yes, Roll, that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 1>It's too soon. But even if they left several days ago,

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<v Speaker 1>a week, if someone gets sick somewhere in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>we should know about it right pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's hope.

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<v Speaker 2>So, But it just depends on where they went and

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<v Speaker 2>what the level of communication is.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how developed that area is. I mean, it's just

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<v Speaker 3>very scary.

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<v Speaker 2>You're in a very remote part of the world, or

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<v Speaker 2>a part of the world that's highly densely populated in

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<v Speaker 2>an urban like area, but they don't have the facilities

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<v Speaker 2>and just the ability to contact, trace, to monitor, to treat,

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<v Speaker 2>to be aware of, to count, to protect the borders

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<v Speaker 2>all of them.

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<v Speaker 3>That just is not an area where this is likely

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<v Speaker 3>to have happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Until now we've got folks coming in the CDC, people

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<v Speaker 2>from all over the world sending in folks to help

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<v Speaker 2>do all of that, but we're at least a week behind.

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<v Speaker 1>So though, Yes, World Health Organization mobilized as quickly as

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<v Speaker 1>they could. They are the ones who are I guess

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<v Speaker 1>the lead here, Robes. But the lead is starting to

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<v Speaker 1>use some language. The language is starting to get a

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<v Speaker 1>little more learning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the World Health Organization chief, the head of the

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<v Speaker 2>World Health Organization said he is quote deeply concerned by

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<v Speaker 2>the scale and speed of the epidemic. In fact, they

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<v Speaker 2>are convening its emergency committee today to try and come

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<v Speaker 2>up with plan of action, like just what they could

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<v Speaker 2>be doing. And that wasn't comforting, bro, that was not

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<v Speaker 2>comforting at all.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean some of what he said.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, the death He put it in perspective like this,

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<v Speaker 2>the deaths of healthcare workers, the high population mobility and

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<v Speaker 2>the absence of vaccines or therapeutics for this strain creates

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<v Speaker 2>a real fear of further spread and more deaths.

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<v Speaker 3>That is ominous.

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<v Speaker 1>Jezu least. And they really I haven't seen. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how far behind they are on this thing. Did

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<v Speaker 1>I see so?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, May fifth or fifteenth, if you remember which

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<v Speaker 1>date was it that they first were alerted of some issue.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was May fifteenth. We're talking this weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>No, there was a previous I know there was something

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<v Speaker 1>pre Again, there's so far behind. It was the first.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it might have been May fifth, you know

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<v Speaker 1>me and my dates. I think I got it right.

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<v Speaker 1>But they were first alerted to an issue to where

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<v Speaker 1>they were starting to mobilize and send somebody to check

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<v Speaker 1>it out. They didn't know how big of a deal

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<v Speaker 1>they had. So we were talking ten a week and

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<v Speaker 1>a half ago, ten days, and then they start to

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<v Speaker 1>piece together. And then on May fifteenth we started getting

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<v Speaker 1>word but robes, we're talking. This thing was present and

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<v Speaker 1>nobody was necessarily trying to contain it for the past

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<v Speaker 1>week and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that the nurse that died, because I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that was the first heads up. They had a healthcare worker,

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<v Speaker 2>a nurse who tested positive and died for this disease,

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<v Speaker 2>for this particular strain, and that's when they first thought, hmmm, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if a nurse caught it, she obviously caught it from

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<v Speaker 2>a patient. How many other people were exposed? And it

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<v Speaker 2>went from And I do think it's interesting we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this, but the majority of the deaths and cases

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<v Speaker 2>have been in people between the ages of twenty and

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<v Speaker 2>thirty nine. So this is going after like basically the

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<v Speaker 2>robust folks. I remember my dad, who's a microologist, was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about certain strains and when you have a strain,

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<v Speaker 2>go after your healthiest Basically these are twenty to thirty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>You are in the prime of your life, your immune

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<v Speaker 2>system is at its prime.

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<v Speaker 3>When you get certain strains.

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<v Speaker 2>It actually those are the ones they kill because your

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<v Speaker 2>immune system is so robust, it overreacts to try and

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<v Speaker 2>fight the virus and ends up killing you with your

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<v Speaker 2>own fluids. And that sounds like what this Because when

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<v Speaker 2>you have a strain that goes after that population twenty

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<v Speaker 2>to thirty nine, those are typically your healthiest segment or

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<v Speaker 2>age segment of the population.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's really scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, because a lot of times you think, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the young and it's the old who are more susceptible.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not the case with this. They're saying, it's that's

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<v Speaker 3>who it's going after, that's who it's killing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we should get to add on, but my question

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<v Speaker 1>is there, I did not know it's possible that there's

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<v Speaker 1>a virus, a disease, something out there that if you're older,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an advantage.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what the is because your own immune system

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<v Speaker 2>ends up being your worst enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>So your own immune system is the thing that's killing you.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I just remember my father talking about viruses and

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<v Speaker 2>strains of viruses, and that was something that really stood

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<v Speaker 2>out to me. And I remember I was in that

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<v Speaker 2>age group at that time, and it made me so nervous, like, oh, please,

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<v Speaker 2>don't let one of those viruses be unleashed. But this

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<v Speaker 2>is scary, and primarily so far, two thirds of.

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<v Speaker 3>The deaths have been women.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I don't know how they what they

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<v Speaker 2>do with that information, but that is deeply, deeply concerning

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<v Speaker 2>what that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is or why that would be. Is that hospitals, Is

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<v Speaker 1>that getting help in clinics.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, maybe the women are the caretakers of this community

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<v Speaker 2>and they're the more likely ones to get the disease

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<v Speaker 2>just because of the exposure and what they do and

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<v Speaker 2>what they.

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<v Speaker 3>Provide for their community.

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<v Speaker 2>Is when we come back, we are going to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you about a whole bunch of changes that are happening

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<v Speaker 2>right now in the United States. The CDC getting heavily

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<v Speaker 2>involved trying to make sure ebola doesn't come to the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. But when you hear their language, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how confident I feel that that is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to be protected.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll tell you what the CDC is saying when we

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<v Speaker 3>come back and.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking about the growing concerns surrounding the Ebola outbreak.

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<v Speaker 2>We now have one American who has tested positive. Six

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<v Speaker 2>other Americans have been flown to Germany. They have been exposed.

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<v Speaker 2>Many of them are members of doctor Stafford's family. Another

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<v Speaker 2>physician involved as well, So they are monitoring that group

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<v Speaker 2>of Americans, and they're also trying to get other Americans

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<v Speaker 2>who may be in the area, the affected area out

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<v Speaker 2>of Congo, Uganda, South Sudan. But back here at home,

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<v Speaker 2>the CDC is issuing and has issued basically a ban

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<v Speaker 2>on travelers for the next thirty days if you have

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<v Speaker 2>traveled in Uganda, Congo, or South Sudan.

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<v Speaker 3>But here's the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>They're only they can only ban entry to this country

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<v Speaker 2>for people who are non US passport holders. If you

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<v Speaker 2>are an American citizen, they cannot ban you from returning

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<v Speaker 2>to the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>It's come home, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's scary because, as the CDC points out, with

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<v Speaker 2>the incubation period being anywhere from two to twenty one days,

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<v Speaker 2>it is highly possible that someone who is a US

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<v Speaker 2>citizen who traveled to one of these countries comes in

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, of course they're going to medically evaluate you

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<v Speaker 2>before they let you back into the general population to

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<v Speaker 2>go back home. But many of these folks may present

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<v Speaker 2>zero symptoms and test negative for now, and come a

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<v Speaker 2>week later, two weeks later, that could change. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>where there is a massive scary loophole.

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<v Speaker 1>But I, I mean, this is the right call, is

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<v Speaker 1>it not. This is what you have to do. You

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<v Speaker 1>cannot have this thing land within our borders, right we

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<v Speaker 1>had it once? What happened? The guy came, God he

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<v Speaker 1>died in Texas, but he ended up infecting two nurses

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<v Speaker 1>I believe down there they survived. That was the only transmission.

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<v Speaker 2>But which strain was that, Because because there are some

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<v Speaker 2>strains that have treatment options, there are some strains that

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<v Speaker 2>have vaccines, this one has neither of those.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd have to guess rhobes. The one he had.

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<v Speaker 3>Was the one they know more about za the zion.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Bundabougio has it ever landed in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Sound, I haven't seen that it has. And look, this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is some scary stuff. So the CDC has

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<v Speaker 2>enacted this Title forty two order, and with this order

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<v Speaker 2>they're now coordinating with Airlines International partners Port of.

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<v Speaker 3>Entry officials all the ways people.

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<v Speaker 2>Can come into the United States to try and identify

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<v Speaker 2>and then manage passengers who may have been exposed.

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<v Speaker 3>And they go.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the airports that people could have or will be

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<v Speaker 2>traveling through and how they would get into the United

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<v Speaker 2>States and how these are the airports they're targeting for monitoring.

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<v Speaker 2>But it started to get scary when you started seeing

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<v Speaker 2>these airports so overseas. Oftentimes, if you're coming from Congo,

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<v Speaker 2>South Sudan or Uganda, you have to go through Addis Ababa.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, I've been through that when I was in Tanzania.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to go through that airport.

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<v Speaker 2>Ethiopia, Nairobi, Doha, cutter Istambul Okay. Those are the connecting flights.

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<v Speaker 2>But then they would be coming into JFK here in

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<v Speaker 2>New York, of course, Dulles in DC, Hartsfield Jackson in Atlanta, Ohair, Chicago, O'Hair.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course our big dogs are being monitored right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. We don't want to be alarmists, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but hantavirus oola, al jeez, Louise, this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is okay, and you say that hauntavirus. Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>our National Quarantine Unit in Nebraska. It is, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the only federally funded quarantine facility in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, and right now, eighteen of its twenty beds

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<v Speaker 2>are occupied by Haunta virus cruise ship passengers.

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<v Speaker 3>What are the chances? What are the chances? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>There are thirteen what they call Regional Emerging Special Pathogen

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<v Speaker 2>Treatment Centers that are sprinkled across the country. So we

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<v Speaker 2>do have some other facilities that are like regionally funded

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<v Speaker 2>or state funded.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ebola. We don't need the B team.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you want to be in Nebraska, But that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>There are only two beds available because of another break.

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<v Speaker 3>And I thought it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>All those passengers, we didn't know if they would go home,

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<v Speaker 2>and you were like, yeah, I would stay.

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<v Speaker 3>Turns out they're all staying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that makes sense if you think you have

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<v Speaker 2>a disease that has a fifty percent death rate and

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<v Speaker 2>you want to go back and take your chances back

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<v Speaker 2>home and hope that you'll get to a hospital and nah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna stay where the experts are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they probably have like an emergency red button next

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<v Speaker 1>to the I want to be able to push that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be hitting that thing every three hours. Hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, I just sneezed. I just want to be

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<v Speaker 1>checked out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I would want to be tested twice a day,

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<v Speaker 2>every day, just so I could know. Because the anxiety

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<v Speaker 2>of waiting to see if symptoms develop for a very

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<v Speaker 2>highly fatal disease, that is just a unbelievable, anxiety ridden

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<v Speaker 2>mind game that I would never want to have to experience.

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<v Speaker 1>What the majority of the audience listening right now can

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<v Speaker 1>probably relate, wasn't that initially what happened with COVID. You

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<v Speaker 1>find out you got COVID, You sit and wait, how

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<v Speaker 1>sick am I going to get?

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<v Speaker 2>In the early days when you started to see body

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<v Speaker 2>bags piling up and in Italy, in that New York

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<v Speaker 2>nursing home, you're just oh, my goodness, Yes, you had

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<v Speaker 2>no idea how your body was going to react.

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<v Speaker 3>So we have had absolutely a taste of it. But

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<v Speaker 3>this is just.

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<v Speaker 2>A it's not a pandemic yet, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>the criteria is. I think they made a very clear

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<v Speaker 2>point yesterday to say we're not at a pandemic level,

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<v Speaker 2>We're not at a global pandemic level. But today the

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<v Speaker 2>verbiage is very different, and who knows what we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to hear tomorrow, the day after. This is deeply concerning,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course we will continue to keep our eye

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<v Speaker 2>on this situation. But in the meantime, as always, everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>we appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Roboch alongside t. J.

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<v Speaker 3>Holmes. We will definitely be talking soon.