WEBVTT - A SUE-per Juicy Episode with Zack Peter 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:05.200 Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings, 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:08.000 the King of Reality TV and one of the most 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:12.639 sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:16.759 years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.239 the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:24.640 entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:30.840 moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey, 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.800 rain drops from today's episode of Reality with the King. 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:35.000 He's back. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:39.600 We got the icon Exach Peter from the No Filter podcast. 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:40.240 How's it going? 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:40.560 All? 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:43.919 It's going well? How are you? I have been talking 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:45.760 to you in a sec I know it's been a minute. 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.320 I mean you're like all over the world. You are busy, 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:52.760 you're just amath wait. Is it one hundred thousand subscribers 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:54.080 on YouTube? 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:59.800 Yes, Welcome in an exciting year. 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:06.120 You have been killing it this year with the podcast, 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:11.759 your amazing takes on the Forever sort of like ever 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:16.840 changing case, what that's going on between Blake Lively and 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:18.120 Justin Baldoni. 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.000 And you've just been doing. 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.119 So well, so super proud of you. 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:23.040 You're all over the world. 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.120 You're also on tour, and you have like a lot 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.080 of stuff going on, so I appreciate you taking time. 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:29.160 Off a little on me, Zach. 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.000 Anytime I listen, I always love coming here and talking 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:37.320 Bravo and spilling tea and crowning the losers as I 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:37.800 see them. 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:44.240 Well, let's get started, because again, everybody who listens to 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.680 your podcast, including me, knows that you do such a 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.000 great deep dive into the legal world of things that 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:55.080 are happening. You are like the Kim Kardashian of podcasting 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.480 right now with your non law degree. But we appreciate 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:03.520 you having the education of understanding the legal jargon that 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:08.120 is happening around the world. So I definitely wanted to 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:13.000 have you on because what we just discovered last week 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.799 was that Real Housewives of Atlanta. 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.440 I guess I'll say former star right now. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.639 Britt Adie filed a twenty million dollar laws to against 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:29.840 the network, where she has claimed sexual harassment, hostile work environment, 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.440 and a host of other things. 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:38.200 What are your thoughts on this as a viewer, as. 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.440 A person who has been following cases for the past 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.919 couple of months, what do you think about what britt 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:44.160 Eadie is alleging. 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:48.000 I mean, I think the allegations are a bit egregious. 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.760 I think she's looking for a payday. She probably knew 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.720 she wasn't going to come back anyway, because I just 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.400 feel like the tone the public, like, did the audience 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:58.760 want Kenya back? And I just know I think she 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.280 knows that that's like a loose battle, that like Kenya 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.640 is going to be the priority over Britt, especially, you know, 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.880 considering I feel like that whole situation was such a mess. 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:10.400 And then when she came out and she was like, oh, 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.160 actually the photos weren't of me, and it's like, well 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.480 then what, Like I don't know. The whole thing was 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:19.760 just so strange and confusing. But I mean, you have 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.840 more of like the the network producer standpoint. But I 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.359 always think that when a cast member tries to sue 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:29.520 the network, or sue the production company, or sue their employer, essentially, 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:33.200 it really is just kind of they're looking for a payday. 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.480 We saw it with Liam McSweeney, we saw it with 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.040 Caroline Manzo. I feel like Britt is just like this 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.760 is the era of people just trying to be litigious, 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.440 and I don't think it's gonna work well for any 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.600 of them. I mean, what's Liam McSweeney doing. Is her 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:47.800 only fans popping off that? 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.280 Well? Does he have an OnlyFans? 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:50.840 Yeah? 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.080 Or remember she had an OnlyFans and she was like, 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:55.400 look at my caboos. But she like put a big 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:57.880 star over it so like you couldn't really see like 0:03:57.960 --> 0:03:58.240 it was. 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:00.960 It was a wild time. Did you subscribe to that? 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.440 I did subscribe to it. It was it was a 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:05.600 little missy. I subscribed. 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:05.960 Listened. 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.880 I did, Brandy Glanville, Denise Richards, Liam McSweeney, I ranged them. 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:10.840 All got it. 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.760 I will say journalist Denise Richards was the best bang 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:19.039 for your buck, Like she gave you everything, like what 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:24.240 everything from you know, head to toe toes in the garden. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.240 You know you saw both sets of lips like she 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:28.880 was just on full display. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:29.800 Why is that? 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:36.880 Are you serious? Yes, listen, Denise gave everything. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.719 I was like because like some of like Leah or Brandy, 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:41.599 like they were a little more frugal and they would 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:45.200 kind of like be a little cheeky, but no, Denise 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.360 was like, you know, she was like full wild things. 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:54.039 This is extremely wild to be I honestly had no 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:57.640 idea that the girls were doing this a lie and 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:02.040 Denise Richards to no, that that's what you were doing, 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:06.159 because I do remember her daughter had an Only Fans 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.000 as well. I do remember that whole scandal. I did 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.560 not watch her spin off, so I'm not sure that 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.120 was covered on her show. 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.320 It was boring. It was kind of boring, like it 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:18.640 was cute, but it was boring. 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.680 Like and the finale, the biggest like bombshell from the 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.800 finale was that her daughter's car got towed, but we 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:27.960 didn't even see it. She like called Denise at work 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.320 and she's like, mom my car got towed or something 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:32.960 like that, and Denise's like, well, well, you gotta pay 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:37.120 your parking tickets, and like that was the climax. So listen, 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.320 if you want a better climax, tune into her Only 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:42.880 Fans and not her reality show. She should put Aaron 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:51.440 on the Only Fans. I think that would really skyrocket sales. Listen, 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.040 she does have a hot husband. We you know, we 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.200 all can't can't agree to that. 0:05:56.440 --> 0:06:01.040 So when it comes going back to brit though, which 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:09.800 there's conversations now Zach that Britt allegedly didn't file the 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:15.520 lawsuit that she had. Her attorneys mentioned this to the 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:20.039 network that it doesn't have a DOCU number or case number. 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:23.040 Excuse me again, I'm not. 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.080 Oh my Kim Kardashian just yet being the legal ego 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.800 like you. But is all of that true or is 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:29.800 that just more rumors? 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.800 No, So it appears that the lawsuit itself isn't an 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:37.440 active lawsuit. I mean, listen, you can file a draft, 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.960 you can send out a press release and like make 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.240 an announcement in the press, but that doesn't actually mean 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.880 that you have I mean, Blake Lively was a perfect example, right. 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.640 She filed a CRD complaint, which was a civil complaint, 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.359 it wasn't unofficial lawsuit filed. That gave that to The 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:52.320 New York Times and became a headline. And I remember 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.279 when I first saw that, I was like, she's not 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.520 actually suing him, but she's already made the allegations against him. 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:00.080 She went through a number of protections so that you 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.159 didn't really have to go through with the lawsuit until 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:04.520 he came back swinging with his lawsuit against the New 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:08.159 York Times. So Britt kind of seems like she was 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.520 doing something similar. It seems like she more of wanted 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.200 the pr stunt, but also like, you're kind of when 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.760 you bite the hand that feeds you, and you're making, 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.720 you know, these big, egregious claims without any sort of 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.720 evidence to substantiate them, and not even a lawsuit in 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:23.360 and of itself. 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.840 Is the press even worth it at that point? 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.640 This is actually breaking news, zach I. 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.040 It didn't dawn on me that you're right in the 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.640 sense of what Blake Lively did. It wasn't an active lawsuit. 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.480 It was civil and the New York Times they published it, 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.720 and it appeared to be what Justin is alleging was 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.880 a smear campaign against his character. 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:49.679 Now that we know that Brient, we'll. 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:53.640 Just say a legend for now is an active lawsuit. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:08:00.920 It was revealed the day after the taping of the reunion. 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:05.440 We found out that the Thursday, which is where they 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:08.680 take some think was June fifth, that she wasn't there. 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.040 She posted on her ansert story the same day that 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.480 she did not show up, that the image wasn't her. 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.960 The next day is when it was revealed through articles 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:24.920 about this lawsuit. So, Zach Peters, you're right, this could 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:29.679 allegedly be something to where it's all about this mirror 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.360 campaign and maybe not even going through the court of law. 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.880 Because shit like this can get pretty expensive. 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.760 Yeah, so you're either really rich and you can afford 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.080 like Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, you can afford to 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.719 just rack up the attorney's fees and you know, kind 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.240 of just piss the money away, or you have to 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.160 get a lawyer that's going to take your case on contingency, 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:51.719 which means if they whatever they win in the end. 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.640 Like Tom Girardi, he was a lawyer that would do 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.000 his cases based off contingency, so he would take forty 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:58.880 percent of whatever his settlements were. 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:01.360 So have to have one of those too. 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.360 Like Liam McSweeney, I don't believe is bank rolling her 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.559 own lawsuit. I'm pretty sure that's a contingency case where 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.200 they think that they're going to get Bravo and NBC 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.880 to give them some money and then the attorneys will 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.880 recuperate their fees through whatever the settlement ends up being 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:18.960 in the end. So I'm pretty sure that's what Britt 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.760 was doing. Or she didn't get a lawyer to take 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:25.880 on her case on contingency because they probably didn't think 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.840 she had a strong case. So and she'd listen, lawsuits 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.760 are really expensive that you have the attorney's fees, you 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.120 have the filing fees, you have so many different costs 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:39.160 that come up throughout. I mean, look at Baldoni and 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.959 Blake like that. That's not even going to trial until 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.600 next year. So that's over a year in just attorneys 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.679 fees and costs. Where kal levis is law suit against 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.920 Tom Sandavan and Ariano Max that's still ongoing and that's 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.640 not happening until November of this year is when we're 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.360 going to trial. So this whole time she's been racking 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.200 up fees and paying costs out to fight Tom and 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:03.160 Ariana in her revenge point case child. 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:17.640 We are just getting started. This is Reality with the King, 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.240 and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:27.320 when reality stars start filing these lawsuits, because it is 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.960 something that appears to have been happening for the past 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.120 couple of years. Whereas reality TV as we know, has 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:37.360 been around, you know, for the most part, popularly right 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.560 in the early two thousand, so let's just say over 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:43.800 twenty years of this genre. But what appears Zach is 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:48.120 in the past five years, it does seem to be 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:52.000 multiple cases like this that that just happens, you know, 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:56.720 Black China, you know, sued the Kardashians. You know, she 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:01.200 alleged that the Kardashians prevented her from getting a second 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:06.359 season of her hit show, Robin China on e the Cardias. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:12.719 These these are her words. Ac listen, you. 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:16.160 Can make any you can allege anything in a civil complaint. Ah, 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:20.600 doesn't have to be true. We learned that from Blake Lagly, So. 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.600 That that's that's what's so fascinating about this to where 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:29.200 it just seems to be something where it's happening more 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.600 often than it did in the past. What do you 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:37.000 attribute to this is it is it sort of like 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:41.400 the reality star wanting to get the attention away from 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:47.440 them and blame the production company, blame the network because 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:54.560 fan favorites, right aren't doing this And what it appears 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.520 to be is is people who may not have the 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:01.920 best relationship with the audience on social media. 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:07.720 Yeah, so these lawsuits aren't particularly new, but what is 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:11.200 new is seeing them come to light publicly. Right, So, 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.840 what happens in a lot of these cases is there's 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.360 a threat behind the scenes and the network just pays 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.560 it out, pays out some sort of settlement, has them 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.959 signed an NDA and it's sort of cut and drying, 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.040 a done deal. And so those types of lawsuits have happened. 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.640 I'm not talking about Bravo or NBC specifically, but like 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:30.079 those have happened for years. I mean one of the popular, 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.960 the famous ones from like the early twenty tens was 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:37.240 like Megan Hauserman and Sharon Osbourne on Rock of Left 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.480 Charms School, where you know, Megan sued Sharon and VH 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.559 one got involved and they had to like pull the 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.760 footage so that it didn't air at the reunion because 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:49.000 Sharon had allegedly assaulted Megan, and then they settled behind 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.040 the scenes and so it didn't play out publicly the 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.920 way we're seeing these play out publicly. And I think, 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.120 you know, to your point, we've seen someone like Black 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:59.280 China who became very litigious and it kind of made 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.600 a lot of way in the press, and I think 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:05.680 now people are using it for clout and attention, and 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.400 I think, listen, you also have to blame Bethany Frinkel, 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.920 queen of the reality reckoning that real they went nowhere, 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:15.560 Like what a bust that reckoning was. But so but 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:19.480 it encouraged people to then launch these lawsuits against the network, 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.240 and then what I think happened is you had a 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.760 lot of these ambulance chaser lawyers that are like, yeah, 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.840 let's all jump in on this, let's all ride this way, 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.080 hoping that they can kind of get some payouts from 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.960 these networks. And so far, I don't know anybody that's 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:37.680 fully been successful. Caroline and Leah, as far as I'm aware, 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.120 have their lawsuits that are still pending. Those haven't been settled, 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:45.000 and those haven't been dismissed either. It's ongoing litigation, and 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.480 I think, I mean, I don't think BRIT's even actually 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:49.480 going to sue the network. I think she put the 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.840 headlines out there, She got the narrative that she's some 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.840 sort of a victim. She can excuse why she didn't 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:56.600 have to show up to the reunion, she can excuse 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:58.680 why she won't be on the show next season, and 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.360 she can just make it seem like, you. 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.400 Know, she was trying to take down the network. 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.360 And who knows what her excuse will be at the 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.000 end of the day when nothing comes of it. 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.680 Ladies Justin mcgaze and Bay Zach Peters, I mean, I 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.880 really am learning so much today. 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.800 It ruins your career. Does it not like when you 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.920 see somebody that sues a network. I mean it's kind 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.640 of similar with like any employment, when you see somebody 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.840 that sues their employer or has a history of being litigious. 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.680 When you come in with your resume, it doesn't really 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.800 make you the ideal candidate to then have another company 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:31.280 hire you. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.120 Well, if that's the thing, is one of those things 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.080 where and I'm sure you agree with this, If something happened, 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:37.080 then go for it. 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:37.760 Do you know what I mean? 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:42.680 Like if you have substantially I'm sorry, substantial evidence whenever 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.080 you do something of that magnitude by all means, I 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.960 think we all agree, is your US constitution to do 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:53.360 so when what is happening though, that you and I 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:57.920 are talking about is more so the conversation of it 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.200 seems to be these buzzwords being used for the sake 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:06.440 of embarrassment and not particularly for justice. And I think 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.000 that's the reason why it is becoming a tough pill 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:13.440 for people to swallow, because the audience is trying to 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:17.840 understand based on what we read and what we saw, 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:22.000 and we saw your behavior, a lot of these things 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:27.360 aren't adding up. And I think based on your due diligence, 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.040 Zach with your coverage of Blake Lively and Justin Valdoni 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:34.600 and listen, you don't have to tell me, honey. I'm 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.360 just saying I would hope that Justin Valdoni and his 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.240 team are sending you flowers, will have sent you flowers, 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:46.880 because between your breakdown of that case, I don't know 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.560 who Justin Valdoni was until I saw the movie, which which, 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.880 by the way, I may be a rare breeding this 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:55.600 this is before the lawsuit. 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.440 I enjoyed the movie. I was like, I too, Okay, 0:15:58.440 --> 0:15:58.760 thank you. 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.680 I watched it on Netflix the night before the news broke. 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.520 I literally watched and I was like, oh, it wasn't 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.000 that bad, Like it was actually a fine, like it 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.360 was a good movie whatever. And then the next day 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.440 is when the New York Times article is published, and 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.560 I was like whoa. And then little did I know 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.440 how much this was all going to blow up. But yeah, 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:18.960 I agree, I didn't even I didn't know who Justin 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:19.600 Baldoni was. 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:21.600 I didn't really care. I never watched Jane the Virgin. 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.880 Yeah, I didn't watch any of his his prior work. 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:29.120 But again, my point in making the point that I'm 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:34.440 making is the fact that your breakdown of that particular 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:40.720 case really opened up my eyes and ears to the 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:45.880 other side of the rationale of people doing this in 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.200 terms of again, I'm not alleging anything but Blake, this is, 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.760 this is what it is. But it was the fact 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:56.120 that there's an alternative to this, and how about we 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:00.560 talk about the alternative? And I I think that's the 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:05.160 reason why your take has been so successful, because it's 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.399 people like me who are like, oh, I didn't think 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:12.240 about that, and we're now seeing why things are, you know, 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:14.240 not going as planned. 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.880 And a lot of it stemmed from Girardi and Erica 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:19.639 and what we saw play out, because it was so 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.840 interesting when she first filed for divorce in November of 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.480 twenty twenty, and then the headlines came out that it 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.760 was a sham divorce, and then, you know, we watched 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.199 that play out that season and when I started to 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.480 dig into the Girardi staff and I started actually looking 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.400 at those legal documents and being like, wait, something does 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.080 feel kind of off here, and like is she guilty? 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.600 Is she not guilty? Was she culpable? Was she not capable? 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.080 Here we are five years later, and ultimately Tom's on 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.119 his way to prison, and so is his CFO. His 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:52.200 chief financial officer is bookkeeper essentially, and they're off to prison, 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.399 and Erica's not, you know. And it's because it was 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.880 through looking at that case and looking at which cases 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.560 or which allegation and seem to have some merit and 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.680 which ones didn't have merit, you know. And everybody wants 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:06.320 to be a sut and strack and read an LA 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:08.600 Times article and think that, you know, reading a few 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:12.199 paragraphs with your readers on suddenly makes you, you know, 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.800 like pretty savvy when it comes to the court of law. 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.840 But it was really through going through those court filings 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:21.320 and talking to attorneys and talking to reporters and you know, 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.080 really kind of diving into the nitty gritty of that 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.200 that I was like, okay, and take a seat and go, 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.119 you know, sell some more shirts on your online storm. 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.520 He's also part time comedian, so I do want to 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.600 get into the Tom derady of it all. So he 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:41.359 was sentenced to seven years for stealing millions from his clients. 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.359 Seven years in prison. He's eighty six years old. 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:50.119 He was convicted of stealing millions from his clients for 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:51.760 over a decade. 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.720 I ran it to Erica Jane this past. 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:59.240 Holiday, and you and Isaac were one of the rare 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:03.360 people who never thought she was guilty of anything. 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:05.040 And Erica was like, thank you for. 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:07.600 Having my back, and I'm like, again, I don't know 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:11.639 you personally. I watched TV like everyone else, but I 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.199 also have common sense and I just don't think she 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:15.040 had anything to. 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:15.640 Do with it. 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:19.640 Do you feel like, when it comes to this Tom 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:26.280 Gerardi case, is Erica Jane now vindicated and should those 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:32.240 women who attacked her should apologize? 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.720 I think she was vindicated. She's still I mean, it's 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:39.080 still an uphill battle. You have ambulance chasers like attorney 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:43.000 Ronald Richards who are really just all over the internet trying. 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.800 To blow up every little. 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:47.800 Thing that happens in court and turn it into a 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.000 headline because he wants us Weekly to, I don't know, 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.600 give him another quote in another article that's going. 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:53.240 To go nowhere. 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.119 But when it comes to Erica, I feel like the 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.719 Gerardi key stuff, for the most part, kind of seems 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:04.520 to be behind her. She does still have some lawsuits 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.280 that she's fighting off, but I mean, the more we dig, 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:09.960 the less and less that they find that she's culpable 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:11.840 for all of this. So I mean, if we can 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.480 investigate her yet, you have to remember Ronald Richards investigated 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:18.800 her for what almost a whole year, specifically just trying 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:22.240 to dig up dirt on Erica and her culpability. And again, 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.320 we went through a trial with Christopher kimonas CFO, we 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:28.240 went through a trial with Tom Girardi. Even Tom, I 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:30.199 mean in a way, I know people are kind of 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.680 torn about how his trial ultimately ended up because they're 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.080 claiming he has Alzheimer's and dementia. They wanted him to 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:38.600 serve his time in a care facility, and ultimately the 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:40.320 judge was like, no, he's going to prison. 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:40.760 Lock him up. 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:44.960 So you know, I'm I do think that the women 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.960 owe Erica an apology because I think they could have 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:49.679 at least given her a little bit of grace to 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:51.600 wait to see how things played out, whereas I think 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.560 they were a little judgmental of her upfront before knowing 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:58.640 all of the details. And listen it, you know, it 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:01.920 was compelling TV and and strack her diamond. 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:03.600 So she got what she wanted at the end of 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:07.159 the day. Wait a minute, she was a friend of 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:09.439 that season and then she got her diamond. By the 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:14.720 end of it, I never put to a two together. Yeah, 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:19.240 ah with the Ladies of Beverly Hills will do for 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:19.880 a diamond. 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:20.679 Ah. 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:21.719 But isn't it funny? 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.520