Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings,
Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most
Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten
Speaker 1: years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with
Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable
Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey,
Speaker 1: rain drops from today's episode of Reality with the King.
Speaker 2: He's back.
Speaker 1: We got the icon Exach Peter from the No Filter podcast.
Speaker 2: How's it going?
Speaker 1: All?
Speaker 2: It's going well? How are you? I have been talking
Speaker 2: to you in a sec I know it's been a minute.
Speaker 1: I mean you're like all over the world. You are busy,
Speaker 1: you're just amath wait. Is it one hundred thousand subscribers
Speaker 1: on YouTube?
Speaker 2: Yes, Welcome in an exciting year.
Speaker 1: You have been killing it this year with the podcast,
Speaker 1: your amazing takes on the Forever sort of like ever
Speaker 1: changing case, what that's going on between Blake Lively and
Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni.
Speaker 2: And you've just been doing.
Speaker 3: So well, so super proud of you.
Speaker 2: You're all over the world.
Speaker 1: You're also on tour, and you have like a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff going on, so I appreciate you taking time.
Speaker 2: Off a little on me, Zach.
Speaker 4: Anytime I listen, I always love coming here and talking
Speaker 4: Bravo and spilling tea and crowning the losers as I
Speaker 4: see them.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get started, because again, everybody who listens to
Speaker 1: your podcast, including me, knows that you do such a
Speaker 1: great deep dive into the legal world of things that
Speaker 1: are happening. You are like the Kim Kardashian of podcasting
Speaker 1: right now with your non law degree. But we appreciate
Speaker 1: you having the education of understanding the legal jargon that
Speaker 1: is happening around the world. So I definitely wanted to
Speaker 1: have you on because what we just discovered last week
Speaker 1: was that Real Housewives of Atlanta.
Speaker 2: I guess I'll say former star right now.
Speaker 1: Britt Adie filed a twenty million dollar laws to against
Speaker 1: the network, where she has claimed sexual harassment, hostile work environment,
Speaker 1: and a host of other things.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on this as a viewer, as.
Speaker 1: A person who has been following cases for the past
Speaker 1: couple of months, what do you think about what britt
Speaker 1: Eadie is alleging.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the allegations are a bit egregious.
Speaker 4: I think she's looking for a payday. She probably knew
Speaker 4: she wasn't going to come back anyway, because I just
Speaker 4: feel like the tone the public, like, did the audience
Speaker 4: want Kenya back? And I just know I think she
Speaker 4: knows that that's like a loose battle, that like Kenya
Speaker 4: is going to be the priority over Britt, especially, you know,
Speaker 4: considering I feel like that whole situation was such a mess.
Speaker 4: And then when she came out and she was like, oh,
Speaker 4: actually the photos weren't of me, and it's like, well
Speaker 4: then what, Like I don't know. The whole thing was
Speaker 4: just so strange and confusing. But I mean, you have
Speaker 4: more of like the the network producer standpoint. But I
Speaker 4: always think that when a cast member tries to sue
Speaker 4: the network, or sue the production company, or sue their employer, essentially,
Speaker 4: it really is just kind of they're looking for a payday.
Speaker 4: We saw it with Liam McSweeney, we saw it with
Speaker 4: Caroline Manzo. I feel like Britt is just like this
Speaker 4: is the era of people just trying to be litigious,
Speaker 4: and I don't think it's gonna work well for any
Speaker 4: of them. I mean, what's Liam McSweeney doing. Is her
Speaker 4: only fans popping off that?
Speaker 2: Well? Does he have an OnlyFans?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Or remember she had an OnlyFans and she was like,
Speaker 4: look at my caboos. But she like put a big
Speaker 4: star over it so like you couldn't really see like
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 2: It was a wild time. Did you subscribe to that?
Speaker 4: I did subscribe to it. It was it was a
Speaker 4: little missy. I subscribed.
Speaker 2: Listened.
Speaker 4: I did, Brandy Glanville, Denise Richards, Liam McSweeney, I ranged them.
Speaker 2: All got it.
Speaker 4: I will say journalist Denise Richards was the best bang
Speaker 4: for your buck, Like she gave you everything, like what
Speaker 4: everything from you know, head to toe toes in the garden.
Speaker 4: You know you saw both sets of lips like she
Speaker 4: was just on full display.
Speaker 3: Why is that?
Speaker 2: Are you serious? Yes, listen, Denise gave everything.
Speaker 4: I was like because like some of like Leah or Brandy,
Speaker 4: like they were a little more frugal and they would
Speaker 4: kind of like be a little cheeky, but no, Denise
Speaker 4: was like, you know, she was like full wild things.
Speaker 1: This is extremely wild to be I honestly had no
Speaker 1: idea that the girls were doing this a lie and
Speaker 1: Denise Richards to no, that that's what you were doing,
Speaker 1: because I do remember her daughter had an Only Fans
Speaker 1: as well. I do remember that whole scandal. I did
Speaker 1: not watch her spin off, so I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: was covered on her show.
Speaker 2: It was boring. It was kind of boring, like it
Speaker 2: was cute, but it was boring.
Speaker 4: Like and the finale, the biggest like bombshell from the
Speaker 4: finale was that her daughter's car got towed, but we
Speaker 4: didn't even see it. She like called Denise at work
Speaker 4: and she's like, mom my car got towed or something
Speaker 4: like that, and Denise's like, well, well, you gotta pay
Speaker 4: your parking tickets, and like that was the climax. So listen,
Speaker 4: if you want a better climax, tune into her Only
Speaker 4: Fans and not her reality show. She should put Aaron
Speaker 4: on the Only Fans. I think that would really skyrocket sales. Listen,
Speaker 4: she does have a hot husband. We you know, we
Speaker 4: all can't can't agree to that.
Speaker 1: So when it comes going back to brit though, which
Speaker 1: there's conversations now Zach that Britt allegedly didn't file the
Speaker 1: lawsuit that she had. Her attorneys mentioned this to the
Speaker 1: network that it doesn't have a DOCU number or case number.
Speaker 2: Excuse me again, I'm not.
Speaker 3: Oh my Kim Kardashian just yet being the legal ego
Speaker 3: like you. But is all of that true or is
Speaker 3: that just more rumors?
Speaker 4: No, So it appears that the lawsuit itself isn't an
Speaker 4: active lawsuit. I mean, listen, you can file a draft,
Speaker 4: you can send out a press release and like make
Speaker 4: an announcement in the press, but that doesn't actually mean
Speaker 4: that you have I mean, Blake Lively was a perfect example, right.
Speaker 4: She filed a CRD complaint, which was a civil complaint,
Speaker 4: it wasn't unofficial lawsuit filed. That gave that to The
Speaker 4: New York Times and became a headline. And I remember
Speaker 4: when I first saw that, I was like, she's not
Speaker 4: actually suing him, but she's already made the allegations against him.
Speaker 4: She went through a number of protections so that you
Speaker 4: didn't really have to go through with the lawsuit until
Speaker 4: he came back swinging with his lawsuit against the New
Speaker 4: York Times. So Britt kind of seems like she was
Speaker 4: doing something similar. It seems like she more of wanted
Speaker 4: the pr stunt, but also like, you're kind of when
Speaker 4: you bite the hand that feeds you, and you're making,
Speaker 4: you know, these big, egregious claims without any sort of
Speaker 4: evidence to substantiate them, and not even a lawsuit in
Speaker 4: and of itself.
Speaker 2: Is the press even worth it at that point?
Speaker 3: This is actually breaking news, zach I.
Speaker 1: It didn't dawn on me that you're right in the
Speaker 1: sense of what Blake Lively did. It wasn't an active lawsuit.
Speaker 1: It was civil and the New York Times they published it,
Speaker 1: and it appeared to be what Justin is alleging was
Speaker 1: a smear campaign against his character.
Speaker 2: Now that we know that Brient, we'll.
Speaker 1: Just say a legend for now is an active lawsuit.
Speaker 2: It was revealed the day after the taping of the reunion.
Speaker 1: We found out that the Thursday, which is where they
Speaker 1: take some think was June fifth, that she wasn't there.
Speaker 1: She posted on her ansert story the same day that
Speaker 1: she did not show up, that the image wasn't her.
Speaker 1: The next day is when it was revealed through articles
Speaker 1: about this lawsuit. So, Zach Peters, you're right, this could
Speaker 1: allegedly be something to where it's all about this mirror
Speaker 1: campaign and maybe not even going through the court of law.
Speaker 2: Because shit like this can get pretty expensive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're either really rich and you can afford
Speaker 4: like Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, you can afford to
Speaker 4: just rack up the attorney's fees and you know, kind
Speaker 4: of just piss the money away, or you have to
Speaker 4: get a lawyer that's going to take your case on contingency,
Speaker 4: which means if they whatever they win in the end.
Speaker 4: Like Tom Girardi, he was a lawyer that would do
Speaker 4: his cases based off contingency, so he would take forty
Speaker 4: percent of whatever his settlements were.
Speaker 2: So have to have one of those too.
Speaker 4: Like Liam McSweeney, I don't believe is bank rolling her
Speaker 4: own lawsuit. I'm pretty sure that's a contingency case where
Speaker 4: they think that they're going to get Bravo and NBC
Speaker 4: to give them some money and then the attorneys will
Speaker 4: recuperate their fees through whatever the settlement ends up being
Speaker 4: in the end. So I'm pretty sure that's what Britt
Speaker 4: was doing. Or she didn't get a lawyer to take
Speaker 4: on her case on contingency because they probably didn't think
Speaker 4: she had a strong case. So and she'd listen, lawsuits
Speaker 4: are really expensive that you have the attorney's fees, you
Speaker 4: have the filing fees, you have so many different costs
Speaker 4: that come up throughout. I mean, look at Baldoni and
Speaker 4: Blake like that. That's not even going to trial until
Speaker 4: next year. So that's over a year in just attorneys
Speaker 4: fees and costs. Where kal levis is law suit against
Speaker 4: Tom Sandavan and Ariano Max that's still ongoing and that's
Speaker 4: not happening until November of this year is when we're
Speaker 4: going to trial. So this whole time she's been racking
Speaker 4: up fees and paying costs out to fight Tom and
Speaker 4: Ariana in her revenge point case child.
Speaker 1: We are just getting started. This is Reality with the King,
Speaker 1: and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show
Speaker 1: when reality stars start filing these lawsuits, because it is
Speaker 1: something that appears to have been happening for the past
Speaker 1: couple of years. Whereas reality TV as we know, has
Speaker 1: been around, you know, for the most part, popularly right
Speaker 1: in the early two thousand, so let's just say over
Speaker 1: twenty years of this genre. But what appears Zach is
Speaker 1: in the past five years, it does seem to be
Speaker 1: multiple cases like this that that just happens, you know,
Speaker 1: Black China, you know, sued the Kardashians. You know, she
Speaker 1: alleged that the Kardashians prevented her from getting a second
Speaker 1: season of her hit show, Robin China on e the Cardias.
Speaker 2: These these are her words. Ac listen, you.
Speaker 4: Can make any you can allege anything in a civil complaint. Ah,
Speaker 4: doesn't have to be true. We learned that from Blake Lagly, So.
Speaker 1: That that's that's what's so fascinating about this to where
Speaker 1: it just seems to be something where it's happening more
Speaker 1: often than it did in the past. What do you
Speaker 1: attribute to this is it is it sort of like
Speaker 1: the reality star wanting to get the attention away from
Speaker 1: them and blame the production company, blame the network because
Speaker 1: fan favorites, right aren't doing this And what it appears
Speaker 1: to be is is people who may not have the
Speaker 1: best relationship with the audience on social media.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so these lawsuits aren't particularly new, but what is
Speaker 4: new is seeing them come to light publicly. Right, So,
Speaker 4: what happens in a lot of these cases is there's
Speaker 4: a threat behind the scenes and the network just pays
Speaker 4: it out, pays out some sort of settlement, has them
Speaker 4: signed an NDA and it's sort of cut and drying,
Speaker 4: a done deal. And so those types of lawsuits have happened.
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about Bravo or NBC specifically, but like
Speaker 4: those have happened for years. I mean one of the popular,
Speaker 4: the famous ones from like the early twenty tens was
Speaker 4: like Megan Hauserman and Sharon Osbourne on Rock of Left
Speaker 4: Charms School, where you know, Megan sued Sharon and VH
Speaker 4: one got involved and they had to like pull the
Speaker 4: footage so that it didn't air at the reunion because
Speaker 4: Sharon had allegedly assaulted Megan, and then they settled behind
Speaker 4: the scenes and so it didn't play out publicly the
Speaker 4: way we're seeing these play out publicly. And I think,
Speaker 4: you know, to your point, we've seen someone like Black
Speaker 4: China who became very litigious and it kind of made
Speaker 4: a lot of way in the press, and I think
Speaker 4: now people are using it for clout and attention, and
Speaker 4: I think, listen, you also have to blame Bethany Frinkel,
Speaker 4: queen of the reality reckoning that real they went nowhere,
Speaker 4: Like what a bust that reckoning was. But so but
Speaker 4: it encouraged people to then launch these lawsuits against the network,
Speaker 4: and then what I think happened is you had a
Speaker 4: lot of these ambulance chaser lawyers that are like, yeah,
Speaker 4: let's all jump in on this, let's all ride this way,
Speaker 4: hoping that they can kind of get some payouts from
Speaker 4: these networks. And so far, I don't know anybody that's
Speaker 4: fully been successful. Caroline and Leah, as far as I'm aware,
Speaker 4: have their lawsuits that are still pending. Those haven't been settled,
Speaker 4: and those haven't been dismissed either. It's ongoing litigation, and
Speaker 4: I think, I mean, I don't think BRIT's even actually
Speaker 4: going to sue the network. I think she put the
Speaker 4: headlines out there, She got the narrative that she's some
Speaker 4: sort of a victim. She can excuse why she didn't
Speaker 4: have to show up to the reunion, she can excuse
Speaker 4: why she won't be on the show next season, and
Speaker 4: she can just make it seem like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, she was trying to take down the network.
Speaker 4: And who knows what her excuse will be at the
Speaker 4: end of the day when nothing comes of it.
Speaker 1: Ladies Justin mcgaze and Bay Zach Peters, I mean, I
Speaker 1: really am learning so much today.
Speaker 4: It ruins your career. Does it not like when you
Speaker 4: see somebody that sues a network. I mean it's kind
Speaker 4: of similar with like any employment, when you see somebody
Speaker 4: that sues their employer or has a history of being litigious.
Speaker 4: When you come in with your resume, it doesn't really
Speaker 4: make you the ideal candidate to then have another company
Speaker 4: hire you.
Speaker 1: Well, if that's the thing, is one of those things
Speaker 1: where and I'm sure you agree with this, If something happened,
Speaker 1: then go for it.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like if you have substantially I'm sorry, substantial evidence whenever
Speaker 1: you do something of that magnitude by all means, I
Speaker 1: think we all agree, is your US constitution to do
Speaker 1: so when what is happening though, that you and I
Speaker 1: are talking about is more so the conversation of it
Speaker 1: seems to be these buzzwords being used for the sake
Speaker 1: of embarrassment and not particularly for justice. And I think
Speaker 1: that's the reason why it is becoming a tough pill
Speaker 1: for people to swallow, because the audience is trying to
Speaker 1: understand based on what we read and what we saw,
Speaker 1: and we saw your behavior, a lot of these things
Speaker 1: aren't adding up. And I think based on your due diligence,
Speaker 1: Zach with your coverage of Blake Lively and Justin Valdoni
Speaker 1: and listen, you don't have to tell me, honey. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying I would hope that Justin Valdoni and his
Speaker 1: team are sending you flowers, will have sent you flowers,
Speaker 1: because between your breakdown of that case, I don't know
Speaker 1: who Justin Valdoni was until I saw the movie, which which,
Speaker 1: by the way, I may be a rare breeding this
Speaker 1: this is before the lawsuit.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the movie. I was like, I too, Okay,
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 4: I watched it on Netflix the night before the news broke.
Speaker 4: I literally watched and I was like, oh, it wasn't
Speaker 4: that bad, Like it was actually a fine, like it
Speaker 4: was a good movie whatever. And then the next day
Speaker 4: is when the New York Times article is published, and
Speaker 4: I was like whoa. And then little did I know
Speaker 4: how much this was all going to blow up. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I agree, I didn't even I didn't know who Justin
Speaker 4: Baldoni was.
Speaker 2: I didn't really care. I never watched Jane the Virgin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't watch any of his his prior work.
Speaker 1: But again, my point in making the point that I'm
Speaker 1: making is the fact that your breakdown of that particular
Speaker 1: case really opened up my eyes and ears to the
Speaker 1: other side of the rationale of people doing this in
Speaker 1: terms of again, I'm not alleging anything but Blake, this is,
Speaker 1: this is what it is. But it was the fact
Speaker 1: that there's an alternative to this, and how about we
Speaker 1: talk about the alternative? And I I think that's the
Speaker 1: reason why your take has been so successful, because it's
Speaker 1: people like me who are like, oh, I didn't think
Speaker 1: about that, and we're now seeing why things are, you know,
Speaker 1: not going as planned.
Speaker 4: And a lot of it stemmed from Girardi and Erica
Speaker 4: and what we saw play out, because it was so
Speaker 4: interesting when she first filed for divorce in November of
Speaker 4: twenty twenty, and then the headlines came out that it
Speaker 4: was a sham divorce, and then, you know, we watched
Speaker 4: that play out that season and when I started to
Speaker 4: dig into the Girardi staff and I started actually looking
Speaker 4: at those legal documents and being like, wait, something does
Speaker 4: feel kind of off here, and like is she guilty?
Speaker 2: Is she not guilty? Was she culpable? Was she not capable?
Speaker 4: Here we are five years later, and ultimately Tom's on
Speaker 4: his way to prison, and so is his CFO. His
Speaker 4: chief financial officer is bookkeeper essentially, and they're off to prison,
Speaker 4: and Erica's not, you know. And it's because it was
Speaker 4: through looking at that case and looking at which cases
Speaker 4: or which allegation and seem to have some merit and
Speaker 4: which ones didn't have merit, you know. And everybody wants
Speaker 4: to be a sut and strack and read an LA
Speaker 4: Times article and think that, you know, reading a few
Speaker 4: paragraphs with your readers on suddenly makes you, you know,
Speaker 4: like pretty savvy when it comes to the court of law.
Speaker 4: But it was really through going through those court filings
Speaker 4: and talking to attorneys and talking to reporters and you know,
Speaker 4: really kind of diving into the nitty gritty of that
Speaker 4: that I was like, okay, and take a seat and go,
Speaker 4: you know, sell some more shirts on your online storm.
Speaker 1: He's also part time comedian, so I do want to
Speaker 1: get into the Tom derady of it all. So he
Speaker 1: was sentenced to seven years for stealing millions from his clients.
Speaker 2: Seven years in prison. He's eighty six years old.
Speaker 1: He was convicted of stealing millions from his clients for
Speaker 1: over a decade.
Speaker 2: I ran it to Erica Jane this past.
Speaker 1: Holiday, and you and Isaac were one of the rare
Speaker 1: people who never thought she was guilty of anything.
Speaker 2: And Erica was like, thank you for.
Speaker 1: Having my back, and I'm like, again, I don't know
Speaker 1: you personally. I watched TV like everyone else, but I
Speaker 1: also have common sense and I just don't think she
Speaker 1: had anything to.
Speaker 2: Do with it.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like, when it comes to this Tom
Speaker 1: Gerardi case, is Erica Jane now vindicated and should those
Speaker 1: women who attacked her should apologize?
Speaker 4: I think she was vindicated. She's still I mean, it's
Speaker 4: still an uphill battle. You have ambulance chasers like attorney
Speaker 4: Ronald Richards who are really just all over the internet trying.
Speaker 2: To blow up every little.
Speaker 4: Thing that happens in court and turn it into a
Speaker 4: headline because he wants us Weekly to, I don't know,
Speaker 4: give him another quote in another article that's going.
Speaker 2: To go nowhere.
Speaker 4: But when it comes to Erica, I feel like the
Speaker 4: Gerardi key stuff, for the most part, kind of seems
Speaker 4: to be behind her. She does still have some lawsuits
Speaker 4: that she's fighting off, but I mean, the more we dig,
Speaker 4: the less and less that they find that she's culpable
Speaker 4: for all of this. So I mean, if we can
Speaker 4: investigate her yet, you have to remember Ronald Richards investigated
Speaker 4: her for what almost a whole year, specifically just trying
Speaker 4: to dig up dirt on Erica and her culpability. And again,
Speaker 4: we went through a trial with Christopher kimonas CFO, we
Speaker 4: went through a trial with Tom Girardi. Even Tom, I
Speaker 4: mean in a way, I know people are kind of
Speaker 4: torn about how his trial ultimately ended up because they're
Speaker 4: claiming he has Alzheimer's and dementia. They wanted him to
Speaker 4: serve his time in a care facility, and ultimately the
Speaker 4: judge was like, no, he's going to prison.
Speaker 2: Lock him up.
Speaker 4: So you know, I'm I do think that the women
Speaker 4: owe Erica an apology because I think they could have
Speaker 4: at least given her a little bit of grace to
Speaker 4: wait to see how things played out, whereas I think
Speaker 4: they were a little judgmental of her upfront before knowing
Speaker 4: all of the details. And listen it, you know, it
Speaker 4: was compelling TV and and strack her diamond.
Speaker 2: So she got what she wanted at the end of
Speaker 2: the day. Wait a minute, she was a friend of
Speaker 2: that season and then she got her diamond. By the
Speaker 2: end of it, I never put to a two together. Yeah,
Speaker 2: ah with the Ladies of Beverly Hills will do for
Speaker 2: a diamond.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 2: But isn't it funny?
Speaker 4: How But then by the end of this season, Sutton
Speaker 4: and Garcel.
Speaker 2: Both totally buckled by the reunion.
Speaker 4: They were so big about holding everybody else's feet to
Speaker 4: the fire and hold them accountable, and you got to
Speaker 4: answer questions, and then the second the heat turned on them,
Speaker 4: they folded, folded like a fold up chair.
Speaker 2: Lack. Well, honey, there you have it.
Speaker 1: So I want to move on into an announcement that
Speaker 1: doesn't have anything to do with the court of law,
Speaker 1: but it does have everything to do with the court
Speaker 1: of public opinions. Zach peter So Brent Whitfield from the
Speaker 1: reboot of The New York City house Wile quit the
Speaker 1: show and she released a statement where she says, after
Speaker 1: a lot of thought, I've made the decision to walk
Speaker 1: away from reality television. Okay, we'll get to We'll get
Speaker 1: to be a second not just housewives, y'all, she said
Speaker 1: reality TV For now, the Real Housewives of New York
Speaker 1: City will always be one of the most fun chaotic
Speaker 1: and magical chapters of my life. I'm not sure the
Speaker 1: audience will say the same brand who I, Zach, you
Speaker 1: and I never talked about this, so I will love
Speaker 1: to get your opinion before we get to her decision
Speaker 1: to quit.
Speaker 3: I enjoy Brian the first season of this reboot.
Speaker 1: I thought she was fun, beautiful girl, wacky in the
Speaker 1: best compliment possible, A free spirit if you will. She
Speaker 1: arguably to me that first season of the boot was
Speaker 1: kind of the fan favorite. Everyone liked her because she
Speaker 1: was outspoken and just fun.
Speaker 2: And then something happened.
Speaker 1: But before we get to her decision to lead, what
Speaker 1: were your initial thoughts watching the first season of his
Speaker 1: reboot when it came to Brin.
Speaker 4: And thoughts about the reboot overall, we're boring, but Brinn
Speaker 4: was actually interesting, like she gave the show, you know,
Speaker 4: some favor to it.
Speaker 3: I don't sild her by Zach Peter, people.
Speaker 2: Go ahead listen.
Speaker 4: Season one, I think Brynn was very kind of bubbly,
Speaker 4: and people gravitated towards her personality. I always thought that
Speaker 4: Aaron was the strongest on the cast.
Speaker 3: Overall.
Speaker 4: I just feel like she's the most housewife, like, you know, potential,
Speaker 4: whereas the Jessel, I get that Jessel kind of has
Speaker 4: a role, Brynn kind of had a role. So what
Speaker 4: I saw them trying to do and you can tell
Speaker 4: me if you agree or disagree, but they I felt
Speaker 4: like they were trying to make Brynn the Bethany, right,
Speaker 4: the young one that's single, who's trying to build her business.
Speaker 2: She's trying to be hungry.
Speaker 4: But I feel like Brnn didn't want to fit into
Speaker 4: that mold, and so she kind of, you know, played
Speaker 4: a different character and listen. Ultimately, I feel like the
Speaker 4: fans really liked her After the first season.
Speaker 2: I liked her. I thought she was fun and funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree with you. As a producer.
Speaker 1: When I saw the first season, I immediately say, oh,
Speaker 1: she's the Bethany of this reboot. She's single, no children, young,
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, not the not the most successful in the
Speaker 1: sense of like monetary means, but but has a career
Speaker 1: and you want to root for her, and she happens
Speaker 1: to be quick witted.
Speaker 2: So I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I thought she checked every single box that was the
Speaker 1: Bethany Frankel. The first season of The Raal House Swats
Speaker 1: of New York City. My thoughts of Brinn after watching
Speaker 1: some of the second season, and and again I was
Speaker 1: very honest about this reboot is a boot. It just
Speaker 1: didn't work for me either. I thought she drank the
Speaker 1: kool aid. I thought she believed her own hype.
Speaker 2: I thought she.
Speaker 1: Was somebody who became a caricature of herself. She started
Speaker 1: to behave in a way that she thought the audience
Speaker 1: wanted to see.
Speaker 3: And she lost me towards the very very end, obviously.
Speaker 1: When she accused Uba of knowing about her SA situation,
Speaker 1: so knowing that that did not go the way she thought,
Speaker 1: knowing that the cast did.
Speaker 3: I speak to her after the reunion, her.
Speaker 1: Decision to quote unquote quit to me is sort of
Speaker 1: like this fall from Grace, because she had everything laid
Speaker 1: out to be positioned as a breakout star and to
Speaker 1: know that her last moments on retro TV is this
Speaker 1: I think my personal and professional opinion, I think she
Speaker 1: knew she was not going to be asked back. And
Speaker 1: one thing I will give the network, they do allow
Speaker 1: the housewives to tell their own narrative about quitting or
Speaker 1: or leaving the show, Like Girl, if you want to
Speaker 1: say you quit and you hate us go about it.
Speaker 1: We're not going to release a statement, is it? You
Speaker 1: control your own narrative. But I think everybody knows that
Speaker 1: there was no chance in hell of Brant coming back.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think I always saw her in Uba
Speaker 4: exiting the series after this season. Just with the way
Speaker 4: it ended, I just felt like neither of them came
Speaker 4: off very likable. And then the fact that like it was,
Speaker 4: I also just didn't even love how the network played
Speaker 4: up this big moment and it ended up just being
Speaker 4: a really dark moment on the show, and just Brinn
Speaker 4: was really bad at taking accountability and it just was
Speaker 4: not There was no way she was coming back.
Speaker 2: So the fact that she even wanted to come out
Speaker 2: this is.
Speaker 4: Like Katie Maloney mean, like I quit vander Pump Rules
Speaker 4: before they canceled the show.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, you didn't. What were you gonna do?
Speaker 4: Make Katie Maloney baloney sandwiches all day? No, thank you, No,
Speaker 4: you did not. They canceled the show because like you
Speaker 4: all got fired. Like just that's the reality. The only
Speaker 4: one I would believe was walking away from the show
Speaker 4: was Arion It because at that point she was booked
Speaker 4: and busy and really didn't need the show anymore.
Speaker 1: I would like to try a Katie Maloney bolone. I
Speaker 1: want to add that to my writer when I'm traveling
Speaker 1: for these paid kicks. Okay, so I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think when it comes to brand, that's what happened.
Speaker 1: What do you think is the future of the reboot?
Speaker 1: Should it just be done? Should they keep some of
Speaker 1: the girls, add new ones, mix and the old with
Speaker 1: the new cast? What is zach pe to take on this?
Speaker 2: Cancel it?
Speaker 4: We're good, cancel it you want to cancel? I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just here's the thing. We have so many shows
Speaker 4: and now they just announced Rhode Island and Ladies of London, Like,
Speaker 4: there are so many shows on the air that once
Speaker 4: we realized, like a Housewives show isn't working, it's okay
Speaker 4: to just scrap it like Dubai. Nobody's holding their breath
Speaker 4: for Dubai to come back, Like we're okay with letting
Speaker 4: that be a two season flop and move on from it.
Speaker 4: I think, Ronie, I just I don't think the name
Speaker 4: helped them. I think that this should have been like
Speaker 4: a Ladies of Manhattan or make this Manhattan Moms, which
Speaker 4: was the original title of Ronie. Like, they could have
Speaker 4: made this some other version of the show Girlfriends of
Speaker 4: New York, Girlfriends of Manhattan, like just something that made
Speaker 4: it newer and younger and fresh. And I think that
Speaker 4: would have kind of given some revival because I think
Speaker 4: the cast going in had expectations of what they had
Speaker 4: to be on the show, and then they also had
Speaker 4: to live up to the hype of what the show
Speaker 4: originally was. And New York was one of the best
Speaker 4: shows in the franchise. You know, New York really with
Speaker 4: Derinda and Ramona and Sonya and Luan and beth and like,
Speaker 4: they were just such heavy hitters. But they were heavy
Speaker 4: hitters because they didn't know what the show was. There
Speaker 4: were no expectations, and you know, I know Bethany's come
Speaker 4: out on TikTok. They were so delusional that they really
Speaker 4: believed their own hype. They were like, yeah, we're socialites
Speaker 4: of New York, whereas most New York social life like
Speaker 4: scoffed at them. So I think it just it was
Speaker 4: a model that nobody knew, so it worked at that time.
Speaker 4: So trying to recreated in today's you know, I also
Speaker 4: kind of feel like that's I don't know if you're
Speaker 4: enjoying Atlanta this season, but I feel like even Atlanta's
Speaker 4: not really living up to what Atlanta used to be,
Speaker 4: you know, and it's we have a lot of new
Speaker 4: faces and it's you know, I don't know, it's just
Speaker 4: hard to recreate housewives in today's era. And I think
Speaker 4: people feel like the model has kind of grown stale
Speaker 4: because you know, it's just it's it's not as it's
Speaker 4: not as fresh. Like I don't think anybody's looking forward
Speaker 4: to the Vander pump Rolls reboot, Like people don't need
Speaker 4: a reboot this soon. You're in a rebootish wait ten
Speaker 4: to fifteen years and make people miss it, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean that's that's a good point.
Speaker 1: I think the vand the Pump Rules thing too, it's
Speaker 1: way too soon, it's way too fresh. And I think
Speaker 1: when you look at the Real Housewives in Miami, I
Speaker 1: think the reason why that's working is because it did
Speaker 1: go on pause for a few years.
Speaker 2: We did miss it.
Speaker 1: And the most genius thing they did they brought back
Speaker 1: some some ogs and mix in a bunch of new
Speaker 1: women and it was a perfect mix. And that's why
Speaker 1: I think New York, to your point, should definitely be
Speaker 1: on an extended pause to allow the audience to miss
Speaker 1: it and then bring back.
Speaker 2: Oh the new.
Speaker 1: It worked for Miami, and I think that, to me
Speaker 1: is the test. And I would have done the same
Speaker 1: thing with Vanda the Pump Rules, honestly.
Speaker 4: I think that's the best way to make and listen,
Speaker 4: you still have like Tom Schwartz that's still in that
Speaker 4: Vander Pump Rules running Tom Tom Delee. You could have
Speaker 4: found a way to you know, to keep him part
Speaker 4: of the franchise down the line and maybe find somebody else.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if Katie Maloney's Blooney Sandwiches
Speaker 4: would still be around them, like that would have been
Speaker 4: an opportunity then too. So I feel like they had
Speaker 4: they just given it a chance to breathe and wait
Speaker 4: for there to be a demand. But like right now,
Speaker 4: nobody is asking for Ronie. Nobody is like, yes, give
Speaker 4: me more, Brin, give me more, Uba, give me more.
Speaker 4: You know, Jessel and her boring parties like no, like,
Speaker 4: just give us a break.
Speaker 2: Let us miss some of them and listen.
Speaker 4: The Miami Ladies did really well because because for the
Speaker 4: six years that they were off the air, they would
Speaker 4: still meet up for lunch and take selfies together, and
Speaker 4: they knew how to tease the fans in the right way.
Speaker 1: No, it was genius. It was genius. It was genius,
Speaker 1: and it clearly it worked. So Zach Peter, you never
Speaker 1: ever ever disappoint. Let the rain drops know what they
Speaker 1: can find. You follow, you support all of the amazing
Speaker 1: things that you are doing.
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Speaker 1: You are doing a splendid job and to see your
Speaker 1: growth happen so fast makes me so happy for you.
Speaker 1: I am a fan and I'm so proud of you
Speaker 1: and the work that you're doing and constant creator. Really
Speaker 1: take a page out of Zach's book because he definitely
Speaker 1: followed things that he was passionate about. And once you
Speaker 1: do that is when you're going to see more success
Speaker 1: open up for you because he's not chasing trends.
Speaker 2: He was really following things that made sense.
Speaker 1: And I saw it and I'm like, this boy is
Speaker 1: doing fantastic work. So congratulations Zach from all of your
Speaker 1: amazing works here.
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. You're welcome you to walk the bunk.
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