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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings,

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Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most

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Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten

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Speaker 1: years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with

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Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the

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Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable

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Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey,

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Speaker 1: rain drops from today's episode of Reality with the King.

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Speaker 2: He's back.

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Speaker 1: We got the icon Exach Peter from the No Filter podcast.

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Speaker 2: How's it going?

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Speaker 1: All?

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Speaker 2: It's going well? How are you? I have been talking

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Speaker 2: to you in a sec I know it's been a minute.

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Speaker 1: I mean you're like all over the world. You are busy,

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Speaker 1: you're just amath wait. Is it one hundred thousand subscribers

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Speaker 1: on YouTube?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Welcome in an exciting year.

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Speaker 1: You have been killing it this year with the podcast,

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Speaker 1: your amazing takes on the Forever sort of like ever

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Speaker 1: changing case, what that's going on between Blake Lively and

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Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni.

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Speaker 2: And you've just been doing.

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Speaker 3: So well, so super proud of you.

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Speaker 2: You're all over the world.

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Speaker 1: You're also on tour, and you have like a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff going on, so I appreciate you taking time.

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Speaker 2: Off a little on me, Zach.

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Speaker 4: Anytime I listen, I always love coming here and talking

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Speaker 4: Bravo and spilling tea and crowning the losers as I

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Speaker 4: see them.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's get started, because again, everybody who listens to

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Speaker 1: your podcast, including me, knows that you do such a

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Speaker 1: great deep dive into the legal world of things that

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Speaker 1: are happening. You are like the Kim Kardashian of podcasting

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Speaker 1: right now with your non law degree. But we appreciate

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Speaker 1: you having the education of understanding the legal jargon that

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Speaker 1: is happening around the world. So I definitely wanted to

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Speaker 1: have you on because what we just discovered last week

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Speaker 2: I guess I'll say former star right now.

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Speaker 1: Britt Adie filed a twenty million dollar laws to against

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Speaker 1: the network, where she has claimed sexual harassment, hostile work environment,

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Speaker 1: and a host of other things.

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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on this as a viewer, as.

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Speaker 1: A person who has been following cases for the past

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the allegations are a bit egregious.

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Speaker 4: I think she's looking for a payday. She probably knew

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Speaker 4: she wasn't going to come back anyway, because I just

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Speaker 4: feel like the tone the public, like, did the audience

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Speaker 4: knows that that's like a loose battle, that like Kenya

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Speaker 4: is going to be the priority over Britt, especially, you know,

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Speaker 4: considering I feel like that whole situation was such a mess.

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Speaker 4: And then when she came out and she was like, oh,

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Speaker 4: then what, Like I don't know. The whole thing was

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Speaker 4: just so strange and confusing. But I mean, you have

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Speaker 4: it really is just kind of they're looking for a payday.

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Speaker 4: We saw it with Liam McSweeney, we saw it with

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Speaker 4: Caroline Manzo. I feel like Britt is just like this

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Speaker 4: is the era of people just trying to be litigious,

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Speaker 4: and I don't think it's gonna work well for any

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Speaker 4: of them. I mean, what's Liam McSweeney doing. Is her

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Speaker 4: only fans popping off that?

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Speaker 2: Well? Does he have an OnlyFans?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Or remember she had an OnlyFans and she was like,

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Speaker 4: look at my caboos. But she like put a big

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Speaker 2: It was a wild time. Did you subscribe to that?

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Speaker 4: I did subscribe to it. It was it was a

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Speaker 4: little missy. I subscribed.

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Speaker 2: Listened.

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Speaker 4: I did, Brandy Glanville, Denise Richards, Liam McSweeney, I ranged them.

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Speaker 2: All got it.

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Speaker 4: I will say journalist Denise Richards was the best bang

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Speaker 4: for your buck, Like she gave you everything, like what

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Speaker 3: Why is that?

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Speaker 2: Are you serious? Yes, listen, Denise gave everything.

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Speaker 4: I was like because like some of like Leah or Brandy,

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Speaker 1: This is extremely wild to be I honestly had no

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Speaker 1: idea that the girls were doing this a lie and

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Speaker 1: Denise Richards to no, that that's what you were doing,

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Speaker 1: because I do remember her daughter had an Only Fans

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Speaker 2: It was boring. It was kind of boring, like it

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Speaker 4: Like and the finale, the biggest like bombshell from the

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Speaker 4: didn't even see it. She like called Denise at work

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Speaker 4: and she's like, mom my car got towed or something

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Speaker 4: like that, and Denise's like, well, well, you gotta pay

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Speaker 4: your parking tickets, and like that was the climax. So listen,

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Speaker 4: if you want a better climax, tune into her Only

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Speaker 4: Fans and not her reality show. She should put Aaron

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Speaker 4: on the Only Fans. I think that would really skyrocket sales. Listen,

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Speaker 4: she does have a hot husband. We you know, we

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Speaker 1: So when it comes going back to brit though, which

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Speaker 1: there's conversations now Zach that Britt allegedly didn't file the

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Speaker 2: Excuse me again, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: Oh my Kim Kardashian just yet being the legal ego

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Speaker 4: No, So it appears that the lawsuit itself isn't an

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Speaker 4: She filed a CRD complaint, which was a civil complaint,

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Speaker 4: when I first saw that, I was like, she's not

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Speaker 4: She went through a number of protections so that you

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Speaker 2: Is the press even worth it at that point?

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Speaker 3: This is actually breaking news, zach I.

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Speaker 1: It didn't dawn on me that you're right in the

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Speaker 1: sense of what Blake Lively did. It wasn't an active lawsuit.

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Speaker 1: It was civil and the New York Times they published it,

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Speaker 1: and it appeared to be what Justin is alleging was

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Speaker 2: Now that we know that Brient, we'll.

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Speaker 1: Just say a legend for now is an active lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: It was revealed the day after the taping of the reunion.

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Speaker 1: We found out that the Thursday, which is where they

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Speaker 1: The next day is when it was revealed through articles

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Speaker 2: Because shit like this can get pretty expensive.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're either really rich and you can afford

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Speaker 4: like Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, you can afford to

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Speaker 4: which means if they whatever they win in the end.

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Speaker 4: Like Tom Girardi, he was a lawyer that would do

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Speaker 4: Like Liam McSweeney, I don't believe is bank rolling her

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Speaker 4: own lawsuit. I'm pretty sure that's a contingency case where

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Speaker 1: We are just getting started. This is Reality with the King,

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Speaker 1: and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show

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Speaker 1: when reality stars start filing these lawsuits, because it is

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Speaker 1: something that appears to have been happening for the past

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Speaker 1: Black China, you know, sued the Kardashians. You know, she

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Speaker 4: Can make any you can allege anything in a civil complaint. Ah,

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Speaker 4: doesn't have to be true. We learned that from Blake Lagly, So.

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Speaker 1: That that's that's what's so fascinating about this to where

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so these lawsuits aren't particularly new, but what is

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Speaker 4: It ruins your career. Does it not like when you

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Speaker 4: So you know, I'm I do think that the women

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Speaker 2: Both totally buckled by the reunion.

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Speaker 4: They were so big about holding everybody else's feet to

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Speaker 1: of public opinions. Zach peter So Brent Whitfield from the

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Speaker 3: I enjoy Brian the first season of this reboot.

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Speaker 1: I thought she was fun, beautiful girl, wacky in the

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Speaker 3: I don't sild her by Zach Peter, people.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead listen.

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Speaker 4: Season one, I think Brynn was very kind of bubbly,

441
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Speaker 4: and people gravitated towards her personality. I always thought that

442
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Speaker 4: Aaron was the strongest on the cast.

443
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Speaker 3: Overall.

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Speaker 4: I just feel like she's the most housewife, like, you know, potential,

445
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 4: whereas the Jessel, I get that Jessel kind of has

446
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 4: a role, Brynn kind of had a role. So what

447
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Speaker 4: I saw them trying to do and you can tell

448
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 4: me if you agree or disagree, but they I felt

449
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 4: like they were trying to make Brynn the Bethany, right,

450
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 4: the young one that's single, who's trying to build her business.

451
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Speaker 2: She's trying to be hungry.

452
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Speaker 4: But I feel like Brnn didn't want to fit into

453
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Speaker 4: that mold, and so she kind of, you know, played

454
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Speaker 4: a different character and listen. Ultimately, I feel like the

455
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Speaker 4: fans really liked her After the first season.

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Speaker 2: I liked her. I thought she was fun and funny.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree with you. As a producer.

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Speaker 1: When I saw the first season, I immediately say, oh,

459
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Speaker 1: she's the Bethany of this reboot. She's single, no children, young,

460
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Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, not the not the most successful in the

461
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Speaker 1: sense of like monetary means, but but has a career

462
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Speaker 1: and you want to root for her, and she happens

463
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Speaker 1: to be quick witted.

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Speaker 2: So I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I thought she checked every single box that was the

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Speaker 1: Bethany Frankel. The first season of The Raal House Swats

467
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Speaker 1: of New York City. My thoughts of Brinn after watching

468
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Speaker 1: some of the second season, and and again I was

469
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Speaker 1: very honest about this reboot is a boot. It just

470
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Speaker 1: didn't work for me either. I thought she drank the

471
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Speaker 1: kool aid. I thought she believed her own hype.

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Speaker 2: I thought she.

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Speaker 1: Was somebody who became a caricature of herself. She started

474
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Speaker 1: to behave in a way that she thought the audience

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Speaker 1: wanted to see.

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Speaker 3: And she lost me towards the very very end, obviously.

477
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Speaker 1: When she accused Uba of knowing about her SA situation,

478
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Speaker 1: so knowing that that did not go the way she thought,

479
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Speaker 1: knowing that the cast did.

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Speaker 3: I speak to her after the reunion, her.

481
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Speaker 1: Decision to quote unquote quit to me is sort of

482
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Speaker 1: like this fall from Grace, because she had everything laid

483
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Speaker 1: out to be positioned as a breakout star and to

484
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Speaker 1: know that her last moments on retro TV is this

485
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Speaker 1: I think my personal and professional opinion, I think she

486
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Speaker 1: knew she was not going to be asked back. And

487
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Speaker 1: one thing I will give the network, they do allow

488
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Speaker 1: the housewives to tell their own narrative about quitting or

489
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Speaker 1: or leaving the show, Like Girl, if you want to

490
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: say you quit and you hate us go about it.

491
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Speaker 1: We're not going to release a statement, is it? You

492
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Speaker 1: control your own narrative. But I think everybody knows that

493
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Speaker 1: there was no chance in hell of Brant coming back.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think I always saw her in Uba

495
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 4: exiting the series after this season. Just with the way

496
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Speaker 4: it ended, I just felt like neither of them came

497
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Speaker 4: off very likable. And then the fact that like it was,

498
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Speaker 4: I also just didn't even love how the network played

499
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 4: up this big moment and it ended up just being

500
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 4: a really dark moment on the show, and just Brinn

501
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 4: was really bad at taking accountability and it just was

502
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Speaker 4: not There was no way she was coming back.

503
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Speaker 2: So the fact that she even wanted to come out

504
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Speaker 2: this is.

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Speaker 4: Like Katie Maloney mean, like I quit vander Pump Rules

506
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Speaker 4: before they canceled the show.

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Speaker 2: It's like, no, you didn't. What were you gonna do?

508
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 4: Make Katie Maloney baloney sandwiches all day? No, thank you, No,

509
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 4: you did not. They canceled the show because like you

510
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 4: all got fired. Like just that's the reality. The only

511
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 4: one I would believe was walking away from the show

512
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 4: was Arion It because at that point she was booked

513
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 4: and busy and really didn't need the show anymore.

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Speaker 1: I would like to try a Katie Maloney bolone. I

515
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: want to add that to my writer when I'm traveling

516
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 1: for these paid kicks. Okay, so I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I think when it comes to brand, that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: What do you think is the future of the reboot?

519
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: Should it just be done? Should they keep some of

520
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: the girls, add new ones, mix and the old with

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Speaker 1: the new cast? What is zach pe to take on this?

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Speaker 2: Cancel it?

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Speaker 4: We're good, cancel it you want to cancel? I mean,

524
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Speaker 4: it's just here's the thing. We have so many shows

525
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Speaker 4: and now they just announced Rhode Island and Ladies of London, Like,

526
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 4: there are so many shows on the air that once

527
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 4: we realized, like a Housewives show isn't working, it's okay

528
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 4: to just scrap it like Dubai. Nobody's holding their breath

529
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 4: for Dubai to come back, Like we're okay with letting

530
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 4: that be a two season flop and move on from it.

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Speaker 4: I think, Ronie, I just I don't think the name

532
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 4: helped them. I think that this should have been like

533
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Speaker 4: a Ladies of Manhattan or make this Manhattan Moms, which

534
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 4: was the original title of Ronie. Like, they could have

535
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 4: made this some other version of the show Girlfriends of

536
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 4: New York, Girlfriends of Manhattan, like just something that made

537
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 4: it newer and younger and fresh. And I think that

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00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 4: would have kind of given some revival because I think

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00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 4: the cast going in had expectations of what they had

540
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Speaker 4: to be on the show, and then they also had

541
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Speaker 4: to live up to the hype of what the show

542
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 4: originally was. And New York was one of the best

543
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Speaker 4: shows in the franchise. You know, New York really with

544
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 4: Derinda and Ramona and Sonya and Luan and beth and like,

545
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 4: they were just such heavy hitters. But they were heavy

546
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 4: hitters because they didn't know what the show was. There

547
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 4: were no expectations, and you know, I know Bethany's come

548
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 4: out on TikTok. They were so delusional that they really

549
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 4: believed their own hype. They were like, yeah, we're socialites

550
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 4: of New York, whereas most New York social life like

551
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 4: scoffed at them. So I think it just it was

552
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 4: a model that nobody knew, so it worked at that time.

553
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 4: So trying to recreated in today's you know, I also

554
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 4: kind of feel like that's I don't know if you're

555
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: enjoying Atlanta this season, but I feel like even Atlanta's

556
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 4: not really living up to what Atlanta used to be,

557
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 4: you know, and it's we have a lot of new

558
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 4: faces and it's you know, I don't know, it's just

559
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 4: hard to recreate housewives in today's era. And I think

560
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 4: people feel like the model has kind of grown stale

561
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 4: because you know, it's just it's it's not as it's

562
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 4: not as fresh. Like I don't think anybody's looking forward

563
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 4: to the Vander pump Rolls reboot, Like people don't need

564
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 4: a reboot this soon. You're in a rebootish wait ten

565
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 4: to fifteen years and make people miss it, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean that's that's a good point.

567
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Speaker 1: I think the vand the Pump Rules thing too, it's

568
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: way too soon, it's way too fresh. And I think

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Speaker 1: when you look at the Real Housewives in Miami, I

570
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: think the reason why that's working is because it did

571
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Speaker 1: go on pause for a few years.

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Speaker 2: We did miss it.

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Speaker 1: And the most genius thing they did they brought back

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Speaker 1: some some ogs and mix in a bunch of new

575
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: women and it was a perfect mix. And that's why

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Speaker 1: I think New York, to your point, should definitely be

577
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Speaker 1: on an extended pause to allow the audience to miss

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Speaker 1: it and then bring back.

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Speaker 2: Oh the new.

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Speaker 1: It worked for Miami, and I think that, to me

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Speaker 1: is the test. And I would have done the same

582
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: thing with Vanda the Pump Rules, honestly.

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Speaker 4: I think that's the best way to make and listen,

584
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 4: you still have like Tom Schwartz that's still in that

585
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 4: Vander Pump Rules running Tom Tom Delee. You could have

586
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 4: found a way to you know, to keep him part

587
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 4: of the franchise down the line and maybe find somebody else.

588
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if Katie Maloney's Blooney Sandwiches

589
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 4: would still be around them, like that would have been

590
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 4: an opportunity then too. So I feel like they had

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Speaker 4: they just given it a chance to breathe and wait

592
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 4: for there to be a demand. But like right now,

593
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 4: nobody is asking for Ronie. Nobody is like, yes, give

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Speaker 4: me more, Brin, give me more, Uba, give me more.

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Speaker 4: You know, Jessel and her boring parties like no, like,

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Speaker 4: just give us a break.

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Speaker 2: Let us miss some of them and listen.

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Speaker 4: The Miami Ladies did really well because because for the

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Speaker 4: six years that they were off the air, they would

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Speaker 4: still meet up for lunch and take selfies together, and

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Speaker 4: they knew how to tease the fans in the right way.

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Speaker 1: No, it was genius. It was genius. It was genius,

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Speaker 1: and it clearly it worked. So Zach Peter, you never

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Speaker 2: He was really following things that made sense.

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Speaker 1: And I saw it and I'm like, this boy is

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Speaker 1: doing fantastic work. So congratulations Zach from all of your

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