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Speaker 1: to your episode eleven one eleven. The Living Years not
Speaker 1: a soul. It feels good in the Living Years. It
Speaker 1: is the living here. That's why. Okay, the Eagles maybe
Speaker 1: John Medley. Okay, anyway, listen, here's what happens in this episode. Um.
Speaker 1: In this episode, unable to cope with the pressure from Dan,
Speaker 1: Nathan quits the basketball team, while Peyton enjoys having her
Speaker 1: dad home, Danny Danny, and we get to meet her
Speaker 1: dad for the first time, which was such a nice
Speaker 1: introduction of a new parent to the scenario. Um And
Speaker 1: I wish we'd gotten to see more of him. This
Speaker 1: lovely actor Thomas and Griffith. Yeah, I mean, I had
Speaker 1: to three very good actors playing father figures. To me,
Speaker 1: there's Thomas I Griffith here, and then Kevin Kilner came
Speaker 1: in to play the character later, and then John Doe
Speaker 1: played my birth dad years later. Um but in this
Speaker 1: first introduction of Peyton's dad, uh, the character's name was
Speaker 1: not originally Larry. The character's name was originally Glenn. But
Speaker 1: I was living above that Glenn, the scary guy. Scary
Speaker 1: guy would stare at you girls. I had so many
Speaker 1: creepy nights with Glenn were like I would go out
Speaker 1: on my patio and our patios are right next to
Speaker 1: each other, and he'd just be like, you alone over there,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'd like, just broken up with my boyfriend,
Speaker 1: was like living alone, and it was It was the
Speaker 1: first time I really kind of had to navigate that myself.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm that person that's been watching Dateline
Speaker 1: like forever and like before that unsolved mysteries that things
Speaker 1: so and like SPU Marathon's on something, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, and so worst case scenario was
Speaker 1: always like on my mind. But this dude named Glenn
Speaker 1: that lived next to me had creeped me out enough
Speaker 1: that when I got the script, I immediately went to
Speaker 1: our bosses, and I was like, guys, he's going to
Speaker 1: think it's a sign. He's gonna think I'm like communicating
Speaker 1: with him. I want to change the name. Um. And
Speaker 1: they're like, uh, okay, we don't care, you know, like
Speaker 1: what do you want to change it to? And my
Speaker 1: childhood love, like the boy I loved from kindergarten through
Speaker 1: freshman year in high school was Larry Eppard. He has
Speaker 1: since married one of my other great loves, Sarah Seene,
Speaker 1: who we cheered with, and I, you know, like I
Speaker 1: guess they hadn't gotten married yet, but they had been
Speaker 1: together since we were in high school. And I was like,
Speaker 1: Larry is a safe person, like Larry is when I love.
Speaker 1: It's a name I can say with like affection, like
Speaker 1: I love you, Larry. Did you tell the show? Did
Speaker 1: you tell them that the writers that? Yeah. I was like,
Speaker 1: it's my childhood love. It's the person who I trust
Speaker 1: so so much, you know. It was just a name
Speaker 1: that did sound like a like strong dad energy, Like
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of kids walking around named Larry,
Speaker 1: Like we were going to run into a Larry at
Speaker 1: trial high school. Um. So they're like sure, but that
Speaker 1: is how that's how dad got his name. But yeah,
Speaker 1: to Joy's point, I had been told, did you guys
Speaker 1: hear this? I did now that once you said it,
Speaker 1: I had like echoes in my memory of something. They
Speaker 1: recast my dad because they thought that we had so
Speaker 1: much flirty energy. And when I when we were in
Speaker 1: the thick of it back in like two thousand three,
Speaker 1: I just kind of took their word for it. And
Speaker 1: now that I'm watching it back, I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: see it. I don't. I don't see it at all.
Speaker 1: I see so much like tenderness, but it doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like it has a chemistry. It feels really authentic and
Speaker 1: the affection feels real. And he definitely does not, I
Speaker 1: mean to me anyway, appear to be flirting with you. No. No,
Speaker 1: he likes it. A really nice job, a beautiful job.
Speaker 1: Poor Thomas. He's on Cobra Kai now, so he was
Speaker 1: like the bad guy from Karate Kid and they're bringing
Speaker 1: it back on a Cobra Kai now. So I hope
Speaker 1: he's out there kicking ass um. I think we had
Speaker 1: a good three episode run with him. It's hard bringing
Speaker 1: in a new parent character and having to see these
Speaker 1: characters that have been really independent now all of a sudden, like,
Speaker 1: oh shucks, daddy, it felt weird to say, daddy, that
Speaker 1: felt weird for Peyton, Yeah, I could see, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can see that. I loved it though. I loved watching
Speaker 1: the way you guys played your scenes, and I I
Speaker 1: love seeing that that sort of youthful innocence in her
Speaker 1: because she does always have to be a grown up.
Speaker 1: And like he comes home and you know you, you
Speaker 1: really seem like a sweet kid. And we weren't flirty.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you it's flirty today in this episode was broke.
Speaker 1: That was a lot of flirtiness but also vulnerable. But
Speaker 1: then yeah, I mean it went to a really vulnerable place,
Speaker 1: which I loved. I loved that arc for you. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was tough. We were all kind of
Speaker 1: cringing at that hot tup scene. That was way to start. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that that was the scene that led to
Speaker 1: my you know, first ever screaming fight with my bosses.
Speaker 1: And I did what I said I was going to do,
Speaker 1: which was when we came to work for the next
Speaker 1: scene wearing a turtlenext so girl, I was like, watch me,
Speaker 1: this is completely inappropriate and I will continue to wear.
Speaker 1: I will wear a dirt on that forever is the
Speaker 1: title of this episode, Pasties and Turtle, because honestly it
Speaker 1: should be. It be. You could have had the same
Speaker 1: effect with all of your scenes, whether it's like from
Speaker 1: last episode where you're taking the polaroids to this episode
Speaker 1: where you're on zipping your pants and stuff. You could
Speaker 1: have gotten the same effect without turning it up to
Speaker 1: eleven every time. Yeah, you know, it was like somebody
Speaker 1: read a perfectly good script and was like, you know
Speaker 1: what we need is more cow bell. It's like coll Honestly,
Speaker 1: they were like ring the bell child. I will say though,
Speaker 1: like it made me so happy to finally get to
Speaker 1: a point with her in this episode where all of
Speaker 1: that gets taken away, you know, like the cracking, the
Speaker 1: joke being like I'm gonna borrow this pollar in case
Speaker 1: he's feeling frisky, like all those gross one liners. We
Speaker 1: get to this point where she's she keeps saying like
Speaker 1: I feel uncomfortable, I feel scared, I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: not enough, I feel like I'm not being chosen. I
Speaker 1: I feel afraid, and and it and those scenes grow
Speaker 1: in intensity, and when she finally gets to say I
Speaker 1: don't feel like I feel like we're both being played,
Speaker 1: which honestly is true. She's so right, She's like, he's
Speaker 1: literally he's dating us both. It's weird. But by the
Speaker 1: end when she gets to sit and be really vulnerable,
Speaker 1: and I kind of feel like it's the foreshadowing for
Speaker 1: years later when she finally admits that she's terrified she's
Speaker 1: not enough. Oh, when she's like, I need you to
Speaker 1: need me. This is the beginning of that, the beginning
Speaker 1: of this girl saying I don't feel like I am
Speaker 1: as valuable. I'm scared you're not going to pick me.
Speaker 1: I'm scared you don't really want me for anything other
Speaker 1: than you know, or you have to supplement me with
Speaker 1: someone else, which is a terrible feeling, you know where
Speaker 1: It's like, like, Brooke Davis is enough. I think our
Speaker 1: fan base, you know, could like perfectly express that, um,
Speaker 1: but to know, like, oh, you have to go and
Speaker 1: hang out with a whole other person because you're not
Speaker 1: stimulated talking to me, or you're not you know whatever.
Speaker 1: I I got nervous watching this. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: is Peyton gas lighting Brook? I mean, like, you're fine,
Speaker 1: everything's fine, Everything's fine, and I think I think no,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's just me being defensive of Peyton, like
Speaker 1: I think she genuinely wanted you to feel like, no, baby,
Speaker 1: this is your win, this is your win. But Lucas
Speaker 1: for sure, gaslight sir, Like Lucas for sure is like
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? But you know, you know
Speaker 1: what I actually see for Peyton, and I have such
Speaker 1: a heart for it. I see a friend really trying
Speaker 1: to do her best. I think in that scene where
Speaker 1: you're like, no, you're good and you're enough, he's choosing you.
Speaker 1: I think the reason you leave is because you can't
Speaker 1: keep going, Like what a weird moment to leave a person.
Speaker 1: But I think you leave because you're doing your best
Speaker 1: to be her friend. And in the last episode when
Speaker 1: you know, when you left the cafe at open mic
Speaker 1: night because seeing us was hard and I run after you.
Speaker 1: The sort of like missed connection that these girls are
Speaker 1: having of like, don't feel like a third wheel. You're
Speaker 1: my best friend, You're more important to me than him,
Speaker 1: and you're like it's the third wheel thing, Like Peyton
Speaker 1: is picking Brook. She's saying, you're my best friend. I
Speaker 1: choose you over this, and it I don't know it is.
Speaker 1: It is a love story, and I think when you're
Speaker 1: I have a lot of like, oh baby girl, tenderness
Speaker 1: for Peyton in this position, because what a nightmarish spot
Speaker 1: to be in. And are just kids who don't know
Speaker 1: how to explain the totality of their feelings to each other. Well,
Speaker 1: I like that Haley is expressing her feeling this in
Speaker 1: this episode of Loyalty to Nathan through booze and skip
Speaker 1: in school. But honestly, it didn't make me cringe at all.
Speaker 1: I love this. It was like, you go, Haley goes wild.
Speaker 1: We're all like kids. M Why does Haley keep ending
Speaker 1: up with these hats? Oh my god? At this point,
Speaker 1: they're just screwing with you baby. Yeah, that was That
Speaker 1: was the most hideous thing I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1: That was worse than the penis hat. You're saying, you
Speaker 1: don't want to sell that as merch. You don't want
Speaker 1: to sell Haley James like nick goober hat. Maybe that
Speaker 1: one was the penis hat and I mixed up my memories.
Speaker 1: I don't know know the other one surely looked more vallic.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's bad, um, But I do remember that was
Speaker 1: the first time I ever had to throw up on
Speaker 1: anybody camera. And they gave me this cup full of
Speaker 1: like a little like a banana smoothie, and I had
Speaker 1: to take a sip of it right before I got
Speaker 1: in the car and hold it in my mouth. Yeah
Speaker 1: until the shot. So you just sit there like acting normal,
Speaker 1: and then you have to pretend like something's coming up
Speaker 1: and then you throw it up. Um and Paul, I know,
Speaker 1: I just had never thrown up in anybody's lap. I'd
Speaker 1: throw up in his lab. Crazy. They didn't done that
Speaker 1: multiple time. Um. He was a great sport about it.
Speaker 1: I wish we had him on right now to talk
Speaker 1: about it, but we'll ask him when we when we
Speaker 1: see him. Um. But that was a fun day. It
Speaker 1: was a fun episode. And we went out to the
Speaker 1: beach and um that house was so gorgeous, dance beach house. Um,
Speaker 1: and it was fun to be James and I had fun.
Speaker 1: I think I just remember being outside. He and I
Speaker 1: hadn't gotten to do a lot of stuff, just the
Speaker 1: two of us out on a location. We usually were
Speaker 1: on stage somewhere, so that might have been the first
Speaker 1: time it was just the two of us on location somewhere.
Speaker 1: Has there been another scene that is it the first
Speaker 1: time we're on the beach might have been. It feels
Speaker 1: like it. Tree Hill was this kind of like nondescript
Speaker 1: town in the middle of nowhere, and then they realized, like,
Speaker 1: oh god, we've got this gorgeous ocean right there, let's
Speaker 1: use that. But yeah, I feel like the beach kind
Speaker 1: of belonged to you too. You know, we'd see the
Speaker 1: distance at the party, but we hadn't been out there,
Speaker 1: had we. I don't know. I don't think so. So
Speaker 1: it was a really it was a gorgeous house. It
Speaker 1: was a beautiful day. I had on that stupid hat
Speaker 1: and I got to play drunk, which was so fun.
Speaker 1: So here's the secrets of playing drunk for all you
Speaker 1: actors out there, um, which I hope I did a
Speaker 1: good job so that you actually want to take this advice.
Speaker 1: But the secret to playing drunk is play sober. So
Speaker 1: whatever you whatever you think you would do to act sober,
Speaker 1: like intentionally like I am acting, I am I'm going
Speaker 1: to put this down, I'm going to sit down here
Speaker 1: and I'm going to be fine. I am fine, I'm fine,
Speaker 1: I'm fine. That actually is always the thing I do
Speaker 1: when I have to think them is I literally like,
Speaker 1: I get a little like this, I kind of give
Speaker 1: myself a sway and then I say and forth, I'm fine,
Speaker 1: I'm fine, And it puts me right there where I'm
Speaker 1: like the sense memory comes back, the spins so difficulty
Speaker 1: opening your eyes. Yeah, that went. But what I like
Speaker 1: about this episode is that we see Haley and Nathan
Speaker 1: who have nothing in common, and we see Brooke and
Speaker 1: Lucas who have nothing in common, and these two couples
Speaker 1: are trying to navigate like how do we connect? And
Speaker 1: because Haley and Nathan talk so much and they talk
Speaker 1: about therapy and you know, they really like dig into
Speaker 1: the meat of a relationship. They're getting there, you know,
Speaker 1: whereas Brook and Lucas are like, she's begging him. She's like,
Speaker 1: I want to connect. I want to connect. I want
Speaker 1: to connect, and he's like, let me put my tie
Speaker 1: in your mouth. That's how every conversation ends. He's like, sure, baby,
Speaker 1: you got it. It's like, yeah, let's kiss. Yeah exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: And one of the things I love so much too,
Speaker 1: as we look at the difference between the two that moment.
Speaker 1: As fun as it was to watch Nathan and Haley
Speaker 1: skip school and have these little adventurers. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: get teenage wild. I loved when he came to her
Speaker 1: and said, essentially like I don't want you to change
Speaker 1: for me. I like you, And he says, I like
Speaker 1: that a person like you see something in me. And
Speaker 1: the energy that James brought to that scene, at least
Speaker 1: for me as a viewer, was it felt like he
Speaker 1: was saying to her, you make me want to change
Speaker 1: for the better. I don't want you to change ange
Speaker 1: to like ditch class. But it was good for her.
Speaker 1: Though it was good for it was good for her,
Speaker 1: But I just I loved that he rather than leaning
Speaker 1: into it and being like, let's just keep you know partying,
Speaker 1: was like, no, but you, I like you. Did you
Speaker 1: ever do a bad thing for a boy in high school?
Speaker 1: What was the worst thing that you did? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was I was a pretty tame kid. Oh I
Speaker 1: know what I did a lie. I had a boyfriend
Speaker 1: who was real bad. We've talked about him, and uh,
Speaker 1: he snuck out of school and went home and like
Speaker 1: had lunch and then drank a beer and then came
Speaker 1: back to school. And the English teacher smelled beer on him,
Speaker 1: and so he got sent to the principal's office and
Speaker 1: they didn't have a breathalyzer at the high school, and
Speaker 1: they were like, you have been drinking. And he's like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about. They're like, you've been drinking
Speaker 1: and he said, no, I have not. I did go home.
Speaker 1: I did. I'll admit that. I skipped school and I
Speaker 1: went home and I had leftovers from last night. I
Speaker 1: went to outback steakhouse with the Burtons last night because
Speaker 1: we had gone out to dinner and my parents had
Speaker 1: had him like join us, but he didn't get like
Speaker 1: beer soaked pizza, you know, like what what smells like beer?
Speaker 1: The next day and so they called me into the
Speaker 1: office and they're like is this story true? And I
Speaker 1: had to be like, oh yeah, for sure, it's the
Speaker 1: leftover outback steakhouse. That's what you're smelling. Friends. And it
Speaker 1: was traumatic because I was like student government and like,
Speaker 1: you know, super good. That's hilarious, though, Hill did so,
Speaker 1: did you ever do anything in high school that was
Speaker 1: like bad for a boy? Yeah? Oh man, well, oh
Speaker 1: I remember my junior year in high school, my friend's
Speaker 1: parents were going out of town the weekend of prom,
Speaker 1: which I'm like, parent plans back planned it, like you
Speaker 1: set us up. And because I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: a pretty type a responsible kid, I remember her parents
Speaker 1: being like, well the two of you were in charge,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm not I'm not in this family,
Speaker 1: but okay, UM, like sure, because I think the idea was,
Speaker 1: you know, we know nine times out of ten, like
Speaker 1: you know, Sophie is the designated driver. If there's like
Speaker 1: house parts had a checklist, she's like turning porch lights on.
Speaker 1: I got wild from time to time, but I was
Speaker 1: generally too scared, and so I think they were kind
Speaker 1: of like, you'll make sure things don't get out of hand.
Speaker 1: And we had some friends, uh that liked to be
Speaker 1: out of hand. And what was supposed to be like
Speaker 1: twenty people having an after prom party turned into like
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty people at the house. It was
Speaker 1: a rager, was insane and too many people. You were
Speaker 1: like Lindsay Lohan and mean girls. No, it was on.
Speaker 1: It felt like a movie like it was so crazy.
Speaker 1: There were so many people, and I remember just being like,
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do and like trying to manage stuff,
Speaker 1: but also you know, trying to make sure. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to, like I didn't want to be
Speaker 1: like a you know, a um, and yeah, things just
Speaker 1: got so wonky safe, thank god, but I was terrified.
Speaker 1: I could just picture like looking in the bathrooms to
Speaker 1: make sure there's still enough toilet paper for everyone. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, oh, you need a
Speaker 1: bottle opener here, you need a little over here, like whatever.
Speaker 1: I remember one of this guy who a girl at
Speaker 1: my school was dating, was like showing us something and
Speaker 1: I didn't want I was like, cool, like I don't
Speaker 1: know what that is. And literally years later, when I
Speaker 1: was in college, the first time I ever saw a
Speaker 1: person and roll a joint, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: he was smoking marijuana. Like I was such a dork.
Speaker 1: I just didn't know. And so, um, I remember going.
Speaker 1: I went to sleep that night and like there were
Speaker 1: obviously not enough beds for everyone, and I slept in
Speaker 1: a bed with my boyfriend. And it turned into this
Speaker 1: like massive scandalous like because of course we got caught.
Speaker 1: We all got caught. Um, we tried to lie. It
Speaker 1: didn't go well. That's what I did. I lied. I
Speaker 1: lied to my friend's parents. Because I tried to say
Speaker 1: only a couple of people came, and then they invited
Speaker 1: other people and then, which was true, but we were like, ah,
Speaker 1: and I don't know why we said this. We were
Speaker 1: like everyone was out by one am, we swear, And
Speaker 1: my friend's dad holds up a photo like this and goes, so,
Speaker 1: why does the clock behind this guy opening a beer
Speaker 1: in my kitchen say four thirty? And we were like,
Speaker 1: and then somebody had taken a picture of my high
Speaker 1: school sweetheart and I asleep in a bed together. But
Speaker 1: they did it because the joke was this poor guy's
Speaker 1: been dating Sophia for three years. Like yeah, everyone was
Speaker 1: like oh and and so then it turned into this
Speaker 1: thing where like weirdly parents like the parents were like,
Speaker 1: what did you do? And I was like, I slept, Yes,
Speaker 1: I was sleeping, what are you talking about? And man,
Speaker 1: it was a whole it was like a whole big thing. Luckily,
Speaker 1: he has the loveliest family and his parents were just
Speaker 1: like the fact that you kim give us a break.
Speaker 1: Y'all were fine, Um, but I definitely felt bad because
Speaker 1: I lied. I lied to my friend's parents about the time.
Speaker 1: But that was really not that wasn't for a boy
Speaker 1: so much as just for us because we were trying
Speaker 1: to not get grounded until we graduated. The lion man.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I was pretty good. I mean no, I
Speaker 1: can't think of any thing I did bad for a boy.
Speaker 1: I really like. No, that was that was really annoyed
Speaker 1: me and my best friend at the time, who was
Speaker 1: totally in love with in high school, who was a boy,
Speaker 1: was also a good kids so you know, he was
Speaker 1: like upstanding young man citizens was trying to do the
Speaker 1: right thing. Um No I do. I don't know why
Speaker 1: this is coming to mind because it's not really on topic,
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you anyway. I remember, um because I
Speaker 1: guess it's a misunderstanding I did. I did feel like
Speaker 1: because I it's because I'm an artist or a theater kid.
Speaker 1: I told you, like I would change in the backseat
Speaker 1: of a car, whether it was a boy or girl
Speaker 1: driving like whatever, I would have Like, I just was
Speaker 1: used to dance in theater, and you just I was
Speaker 1: very comfortable with my body, um, but not in like
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to everybody. I just was like comfortable
Speaker 1: in my body. And by the way, it's a banging body.
Speaker 1: Joy i'd be comfortable. I was so it just but
Speaker 1: I knew that I felt misunderstood a lot. I felt
Speaker 1: like people looked at me like I was trying to
Speaker 1: get attention with my body and that I was trying
Speaker 1: to be slutty when I wasn't. I just was like
Speaker 1: a dancer kid, theater kid. Oh you mean they were
Speaker 1: mad at you because you didn't feel insurmountable shame about
Speaker 1: time joking was a letter on her Are you going
Speaker 1: up to his lake house? He and his family had
Speaker 1: this had this lake house, and I remember going up
Speaker 1: to it one summer and and I got there's there
Speaker 1: was a shower, um and we were kind of like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I had just if we were.
Speaker 1: It was a bunch of kids that weekend. I think
Speaker 1: his parents maybe weren't there. And I remember I got
Speaker 1: I was taking a shower and he came into Brush's
Speaker 1: teeth and there was a big curtain. It's not like
Speaker 1: we could see each other, but and we were very
Speaker 1: very close, like besties, like since we were thirteen. So
Speaker 1: this was a very Lucas Haley relationship, except that I
Speaker 1: was desperately in love with him. It's okay, it all
Speaker 1: worked out. But I was in the shower and I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys do this when when you
Speaker 1: turn on the hot water again, being like a tactile
Speaker 1: person and being in touch with my body, I just
Speaker 1: sit there under the heat and I'm like and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, you know, let my I let it all.
Speaker 1: And then I'm a singer and I'm vocal, and so
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in this shower and he's brushing his teeth
Speaker 1: and I'm in this steaming shower going and he just
Speaker 1: goes and he just like he stops the water and
Speaker 1: he's like, what are you doing? Oh god? I didn't
Speaker 1: even clock that. But it wasn't like he was turned
Speaker 1: on it, but he was like mad at me for
Speaker 1: trying would do. I was like nothing, I'm I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm taking the shower. Oh god, oh no, no I'm not.
Speaker 1: And he was like whatever, joy and then brings his
Speaker 1: mouth and walked out of the bathroom. He was mad
Speaker 1: at me, and I just don't like, I could never
Speaker 1: have said anything to convince him that I was not
Speaker 1: like trying to turn him on and get him. When
Speaker 1: all those herbal Essence commercials were out, remember the herble
Speaker 1: Essence commercials. It was like the woman moaning in the
Speaker 1: showers's son some uncomfortable. You guys, I'm so red, let
Speaker 1: it go, let it go out in the bathroom, are supreme.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I read too. I'm starting just even thinking
Speaker 1: about it. I'm I'm horrifying embarrassing moments from I just realized,
Speaker 1: you guys, I need to say this. So we threw
Speaker 1: this party that got out of hand after I'm so
Speaker 1: upset and and we got caught, and it was so sad,
Speaker 1: and my mom really did me a solid and was like,
Speaker 1: I tell your father he's going to kill you, which
Speaker 1: honestly doesn't make sense. My dad's like a very sensitive artist.
Speaker 1: I don't think that would have happened. But my mom goes,
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell your dad, I found a packet
Speaker 1: of cigarettes in your car and that's why you're grounded
Speaker 1: for three weeks. And so, um, dad, you should probably
Speaker 1: know that when I was a junior in high school,
Speaker 1: we threw a ranger of an after prom party and
Speaker 1: Mom and I lied to you about what. I don't
Speaker 1: think he knows. I was realizing that in real time.
Speaker 1: Um My, sweet dad, he cries every time he tells
Speaker 1: me he's proud of me. Probably wouldn't have flipped out. Um,
Speaker 1: but I I was today years old when I realized
Speaker 1: I saw how a secret from him cigarettes my mom.
Speaker 1: I was like, what, all right? Whatever my confessional moments, Um, okay,
Speaker 1: how do we get back into the show right now?
Speaker 1: My question is, Okay, So, Sophia, if your dad would
Speaker 1: have been upset about you having this party like in
Speaker 1: high school when we shot this, we're only like a
Speaker 1: couple of years out of high school. We're like, you know,
Speaker 1: three or four years out of high school. How did
Speaker 1: your parents react all this like hot tub stuff, Like
Speaker 1: they didn't understand that. They were like, this is what
Speaker 1: is this? You know? I think it was just it
Speaker 1: was always it was uncomfortable for for them, you know,
Speaker 1: like as a kid, I don't know, I don't think
Speaker 1: any of us or anyone listening, like, you don't want
Speaker 1: to see your parents have sex. And I don't think
Speaker 1: parents want to think about their kids having sexy. It's
Speaker 1: awkward when it comes on on a movie and you're
Speaker 1: all sitting in the room together. It's just like man
Speaker 1: and and you know, there's that probably points to the
Speaker 1: fact that as a society. We need to grow up
Speaker 1: a little bit and like get unashamed of our body's joy.
Speaker 1: Teach a class um. You know what does it real quick?
Speaker 1: I just showed Gust the Shining where you know, like
Speaker 1: the hot naked woman in the bathtub gets out and
Speaker 1: he's been a creep and they start kissing and then
Speaker 1: her body he composes. So I just watched that with
Speaker 1: Gus and he never wants to see a naked woman.
Speaker 1: He's it, which is yeah, is going to fall apart
Speaker 1: rot um, that'll do it. Yeah, that's the only sex
Speaker 1: scene that's acceptable is when she turns into a corpse. Well,
Speaker 1: and the irony that here we are, you know, talking
Speaker 1: about like crazy teenage behavior which we were always modeling
Speaker 1: on their show, and like everyone's flirting with everyone and
Speaker 1: they recast your dad because apparently y'all were flirting and
Speaker 1: there was no sexual energy. I don't see it. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe it'll come up in future episodes, but I didn't
Speaker 1: clock it at all. You know who has real sexy energy?
Speaker 1: And they have a scene in this episode and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, man, Deb and Keith talk like when
Speaker 1: they're chatting, and he's like yes, said Nathan to talk
Speaker 1: to me. I'm just like, isn't it a little one
Speaker 1: of chemistry works? Because I do love Keith and Karen
Speaker 1: and there's a there's a no like they know each
Speaker 1: other and there's a warmth there and there's something familiar.
Speaker 1: It's tender. But there was like some kind of heat,
Speaker 1: some kind of energy between deb and Keith. I don't
Speaker 1: know how. And interestingly, though, Craig is like a I
Speaker 1: don't want to say he's a flirty person, but he
Speaker 1: is a person who listens and he looks at you
Speaker 1: when he's talking to you, and it feels nice. And
Speaker 1: so his character like listens to the women. He listens
Speaker 1: to Debb, he listens to Karen. He wants to tell
Speaker 1: them both like you're a good mom, You're doing a
Speaker 1: good job. He says the things that you want to hear.
Speaker 1: Lucas is copying that behavior and he's telling Brooke girl,
Speaker 1: you are great, and he's telling Peyton like your art matters,
Speaker 1: you know, Like it's I don't know how intentional it is,
Speaker 1: but it is a generational pattern that we're witnessing, except
Speaker 1: that the way Lucas is doing it is I guess
Speaker 1: the way a teenage boy would which is mimicking rather
Speaker 1: than ah, I don't know what't to help me with
Speaker 1: a vocabulary word of like he's mimicking Actually it's not
Speaker 1: a coming from authentic place of really listening and caring.
Speaker 1: I think he's the girl. Yeah, yeah, well it seems
Speaker 1: like he wants to kiss all the girls, like, you know,
Speaker 1: the the continuation of the way he shows up for
Speaker 1: Peyton and then the way he shows up for Brooke.
Speaker 1: It makes sense to me why Brooks says, I think
Speaker 1: he's you know, when she says he's trying to have
Speaker 1: it both ways, he's like he's basically trying to date
Speaker 1: us both And when you watch it, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: gud is Yeah, Yeah, for sure, he's configured. Probably the
Speaker 1: most sixteen year old thing about Lucas. You know, they
Speaker 1: like wrote the like I love books and I'm a
Speaker 1: man and I'm the man of the house and I
Speaker 1: think about things. But like ultimately, sixteen year old boys
Speaker 1: want to get down with as many girls as they
Speaker 1: can get down, you know, like it's just it's well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think foremost juven thing about the character is the
Speaker 1: immaturity with his emotions. Yeah, and if he didn't have
Speaker 1: that you'd probably be like this, this is not a
Speaker 1: kid nod be James Vanderbeek, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's terrible for Brooke and Peyton, but it works really well,
Speaker 1: you know, for for a young boy. I like it
Speaker 1: in the show too, because it's a good contrast with
Speaker 1: where Nathan is at, having already experienced all of the
Speaker 1: stuff that Lucas is just kind of walking into waiting
Speaker 1: into the world. Nathan's already been through all that, so
Speaker 1: now he's on this journey to self discovery, to discovering
Speaker 1: how to be a better person in the world. He's
Speaker 1: seeing Dan for who he is. He's really confused and
Speaker 1: torn in so many directions, but he's learning how to
Speaker 1: stand up for himself. I mean, I was just so
Speaker 1: in love with the character of Nathan in this episode.
Speaker 1: He really won my heart in a big way. I
Speaker 1: was just proud of him. The way he walked away
Speaker 1: from the two parents are about who's going to give
Speaker 1: him a ride, and he's like, I'm I'm going to
Speaker 1: take care of me, you know, setting his own boundaries.
Speaker 1: It's pretty great. I loved it. I loved We were
Speaker 1: watching the episode, you guys, and it was so cute.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember what scene it was, but a
Speaker 1: scene with with with Nathan ended Enjoy You Go. I'm
Speaker 1: team Nathan Man. Love it. It was so cute. The
Speaker 1: Dan Scott I Love You only exists because of Nathan
Speaker 1: asserting himself right. But was such a great piece of
Speaker 1: acting from Paul, and it was shot so well. What
Speaker 1: I loved, loved, loved about it is that it's super tight,
Speaker 1: so it feels like a whisper and it's over Dan's
Speaker 1: shoulder the French overs. It feels like I can't look
Speaker 1: you in the eye when I say this, and and
Speaker 1: you know, normally when you shoot a scene, it's like
Speaker 1: your master shot, which includes the whole set and all
Speaker 1: the actors, big white shot, and then coverage coverage. You
Speaker 1: get coverage to each character for them to use that
Speaker 1: angle on Paul and do a whole camera setup for that.
Speaker 1: That's secret special. I love you. Um, it was really
Speaker 1: really good. That's good. Yeah, it's such good TV. And
Speaker 1: the way Paul chose to play it, you know, saying
Speaker 1: how much he cares about him no matter what he chooses.
Speaker 1: He says these things and starts to cry, I mean,
Speaker 1: his his tears in his eyes and the that pregnant
Speaker 1: pause where he says all the validating things and that's
Speaker 1: already so hard for him, and it's like he almost
Speaker 1: chokes before he says I love you and he and
Speaker 1: you're right, he can't look Nathan in the eye when
Speaker 1: he does it. Oh, I mean, what a what a
Speaker 1: vulnerable place for Paul to have gone as an actor.
Speaker 1: What beautiful choices he made in that moment. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: there is such a bastard. And all the other scenes, well,
Speaker 1: I'm considering that. The scene starts, by the way, with
Speaker 1: Nathan coming in and saying, I'm really sorry for all
Speaker 1: the stuff I've been pulling and Hillary, when we watched it,
Speaker 1: you were like, he's apologizing to his abuser, and then
Speaker 1: we get to the end of the scene and we're like,
Speaker 1: oh man, Paul did really good. It's such a weird
Speaker 1: thing when you're trying to observe the characters but you're
Speaker 1: also watching your friends be incredible actors. Yeah, Tom Tom
Speaker 1: Wright did a great job directing this episode. I especially
Speaker 1: loved the ending when we got to see everybody in
Speaker 1: their own place of kind of feeling feeling out, their
Speaker 1: own sense of loss, confusion, misplacement, um in the world,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, hoping for hope. I felt like
Speaker 1: we got a piece of all of that, which was
Speaker 1: a tone that I think had been missing a little
Speaker 1: bit from the last few episodes. I think we kind
Speaker 1: of got away from that with all the drama, and
Speaker 1: this episode seemed to come back to the heart the
Speaker 1: core of what this show is about. It's not about
Speaker 1: the drama. It's about the people well, and the and
Speaker 1: the space for big feelings. I mean, even thinking about
Speaker 1: the fact that it opens in the therapist's office, it's like,
Speaker 1: this is going to be an episode where we really
Speaker 1: excavate what's going on with everybody and it and it
Speaker 1: rings true through the whole thing, and it's really good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I loved that. I want to talk about Jake Jagelski.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about all the time. I mean, Jake Jagelski
Speaker 1: is a really grounding character in this because he makes
Speaker 1: Lucas kind of cut the and he's got way bigger
Speaker 1: things going on than anyone else. You know, like having
Speaker 1: a child is such a major deal that it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: your feelings got hurt by a boy. Cool story kid,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, I I loved working with Brian, like
Speaker 1: it's not a secret that I was just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, he's along. Um, But to see him with
Speaker 1: these scenes with the baby in this episode and bringing
Speaker 1: her to practice, and the slow burn between Peyton and Jake,
Speaker 1: she has not like, I mean, we see like little
Speaker 1: twinkle in her eye, but Peyton has not been like
Speaker 1: what's up, whereas so many other characters in our show
Speaker 1: are just like I love you, like right away, like
Speaker 1: the rush into relationships, like even Sophia. You were saying
Speaker 1: when in the last episode when um, when Brooke shows
Speaker 1: up and she's like, hi, boyfriend, and we're like, oh
Speaker 1: were they like yeah, fine? Uh? The slow burn with
Speaker 1: with Jake, I like, I'm slow to warm up in life.
Speaker 1: It's good for pet. This is sort of what we
Speaker 1: were talking about in the episode that we saw where
Speaker 1: everybody was goading you and you kissed Lucas out of
Speaker 1: almost and then suddenly you guys were in a bedroom
Speaker 1: tearing each other's clothes off and he's telling you I
Speaker 1: want everything with you, I want the whole fairy tale.
Speaker 1: After like four episodes, it's just like, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: he just met you, man, what And this feels That's
Speaker 1: what I was saying when we were watching. I get
Speaker 1: such soul mate vibes from Jake and Peyton because he
Speaker 1: is waiting for her. He gets it, and she's she
Speaker 1: takes time and he takes time. He's got plenty of
Speaker 1: going on too, And I just feel like it was
Speaker 1: such a good match and I'm so mad that we
Speaker 1: got robbed and we didn't get to see you guys
Speaker 1: together forever. That's all I supposed to do in a
Speaker 1: different movie. There was a movie that we were supposed
Speaker 1: to do together years ago. Really, yes, something he did
Speaker 1: and they like called to see if I could do it,
Speaker 1: and I had, like, you know, I had a toddler
Speaker 1: and Jeff was gone and I wasn't able to go
Speaker 1: do it. But Greenberg is one of those people I've
Speaker 1: gotten to work with so many of our friends doing
Speaker 1: Christmas movies, you know, like Tyler and Buckley and you
Speaker 1: know Antoine and Lee and all, you know, the whole
Speaker 1: gang that. Um, I haven't gotten to work with Brian again,
Speaker 1: and I would like to. That's going to give me
Speaker 1: my my Peyton and Jake for life moment, and we
Speaker 1: want to see that. You know What's funny though, like
Speaker 1: when you point out how swiftly characters are, like all
Speaker 1: of it. You've changed my life. You're changed three episodes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, gee, this is a lot like pressure I love,
Speaker 1: and I guess I'm like, oh, that's that's what I
Speaker 1: relate to. Like the moment in the last episode at
Speaker 1: the open mic night when there's just that beat between
Speaker 1: Peyton and Jake and you like look at him. I'm like, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's that's everything. And I'm like, I guess that's how
Speaker 1: I flirt. I'm like hey, and then I don't talk
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm slow to do the warm up too.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Greenberg in real life was became like
Speaker 1: a good friend in me season one because I had
Speaker 1: gone through that breakup. I was like starting to date
Speaker 1: someone knew I didn't have a car. He went car
Speaker 1: shopping with me, and like I remember, we were like
Speaker 1: looking at mountaineers like that. He was like, well, you
Speaker 1: need is a mountaineer, Like, let's go look at Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like sure, Mr, I'm gonna get you in
Speaker 1: my car. Cool. But then he became I had never
Speaker 1: lived in l a and so he became the person
Speaker 1: when we started to have to go out to l
Speaker 1: A for press for the show that would like show
Speaker 1: me where to eat dinner and like where to go
Speaker 1: and you know that that same cool dude energy, like girl,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not into you, but i'm your cool
Speaker 1: guy friend. You know, Jake has that he's not looking
Speaker 1: for a girlfriend. You know, everything's about the daughter and
Speaker 1: his interests lie outside of I want to put my
Speaker 1: tongue in that girl's mouth. That's that's a sense and
Speaker 1: apart from the other boys, and we're like, wow, look
Speaker 1: at that guy. And then it's like, oh man, the
Speaker 1: bar is maybe not that high. He's high above it,
Speaker 1: but I feel like the bar is kind of low.
Speaker 1: Set your bars high, ladies, it's high school. It's listen.
Speaker 1: I kissed so many people in high school and I
Speaker 1: don't regret a bit of it. To kiss people, get
Speaker 1: it out of your system. Oh man. When I lived
Speaker 1: in New York after high school, I kissed so many
Speaker 1: people so fun did of course, what's the best, Give
Speaker 1: me the best New York City post high school? Kiss?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, were you here? Like kiss me? I
Speaker 1: told you about the guy that was it from from
Speaker 1: Juilliard that I you know, we were dancing around and
Speaker 1: I was standing outside of his college dorm and he
Speaker 1: like answered, I went back because I left something there,
Speaker 1: and he answered the door shirtless, and then like I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm dying right now, and then he he
Speaker 1: hugged me and like my heart was pounding, and he goes,
Speaker 1: your heart's pounding. Oh, it was very exciting. Um, but
Speaker 1: I actually don't even remember if we kissed. Then I
Speaker 1: think I ran away, like I always did it just
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm okay, well then just ran off,
Speaker 1: but I did. I was dating a guy in New
Speaker 1: York and I remember it was just like a dreary night.
Speaker 1: We went to see some Beatles movie at like one
Speaker 1: of those you know movie theaters underground that that played
Speaker 1: old movies, like the Draft of Drafthouse or something, and
Speaker 1: then um, yeah, I remember going outside and it was
Speaker 1: like it was on the East Side and it was drizzly,
Speaker 1: and we just kissed on a street corner and it
Speaker 1: was so and by the way, this is somebody who
Speaker 1: had been dating my roommate and then Candle I know,
Speaker 1: and then he but this is the high school thing.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'll read this is the same thing
Speaker 1: that happened to the switcher who and then he was like,
Speaker 1: I think I like your roommate instead, And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I Oh my god, I think
Speaker 1: I was kind of like broken this love the switchero.
Speaker 1: She was like, I'm fine, it's fine, whatever, don't worry
Speaker 1: about it. You know, I wasn't that into him anyway.
Speaker 1: And then of course years later she was like that
Speaker 1: wrecked me. I was like, I'm sorry, Oh god, We're
Speaker 1: like what you said it is realistic. Just young and dumb,
Speaker 1: and we don't understand our emotions and we don't have
Speaker 1: anybody telling us what's so gay and what's okay. We're
Speaker 1: just trying to figure it out, and they so badly
Speaker 1: want to be okay with things to like be cool,
Speaker 1: you know, team player and team player. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: If you're young out there listening, we just need you
Speaker 1: to go be as messy as humanly possible, because one
Speaker 1: you'll get to laugh about it when you get older,
Speaker 1: and too. It's a good way to practice chaos, Like
Speaker 1: like chaos from kissing somebody is so easy. It seems
Speaker 1: big when you're young, but it's really easy practice tool
Speaker 1: so that when you're older and like really hits the fan.
Speaker 1: You're like, I know how to deal with it. Kissed
Speaker 1: to the wrong person once and I practiced these feelings. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I kissed somebody. There was a boy my right before
Speaker 1: I left for college that I worked with, and he
Speaker 1: was older and he was very um he felt dangerous.
Speaker 1: Like one of our dates was like we went to
Speaker 1: a cemetery that was supposed to be real haunted and
Speaker 1: he'd been living alone in like a farmhouse out in
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, and you know, like and he
Speaker 1: drove like a detective baby. He was so good looking,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm working with this guy, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kiss him for sure. And so we went out,
Speaker 1: we had to I don't know where we went one
Speaker 1: night and he picked me up and he brought me
Speaker 1: home and like we talked on my parents front stoop
Speaker 1: for a long time and I was like, well, I'll
Speaker 1: walk you to your car. My parents neighborhood had the
Speaker 1: best show because I was kissing a new dude every
Speaker 1: other like that's the last summer were college. And as
Speaker 1: like we got to his car door, we just stood
Speaker 1: there and I was like, I don't want it. To
Speaker 1: be awkward at work and he goes, it's been awkward
Speaker 1: at work and then kissed me, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: this is a movie. This is that is good kiss
Speaker 1: as many people as possible. Yeah, for sure, I'm down
Speaker 1: with that. Oh, I know what I want to talk
Speaker 1: about in this episode I make up Because you guys
Speaker 1: have met Jojo, you haven't met Kelly Jefferson yet. Who
Speaker 1: was the other half of that dream team. Um, Sophia,
Speaker 1: your I makeup in particular is so on point beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's so good, it's so bold. Talk to us about
Speaker 1: the collaboration between you and Kelly Jefferson to create the
Speaker 1: iconic early Yeah. I don't know. I I wish I
Speaker 1: could remember how it started. But when Kelly came in,
Speaker 1: because you know, she wasn't our our makeup artist. Right
Speaker 1: in the beginning, she was like, this girl is into fashion,
Speaker 1: and she and we were like looking through magazines because
Speaker 1: there was no Pinterest yet, and and we really got
Speaker 1: into this idea, which I love because it's like Brooks
Speaker 1: trying to make herself up like the girls she sees
Speaker 1: in the magazines, but she's sixteen, so she like matches
Speaker 1: her eyes shadowed to her outfit and I just love it.
Speaker 1: And we really thought a lot about how to do
Speaker 1: it and how to bring um something young to it,
Speaker 1: because it's a it's a it's a it's a look
Speaker 1: that you see on girls in their twenties, or at
Speaker 1: least you did then, and so we really wanted to
Speaker 1: figure out how to make it feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: this young girl who was super into makeup, but she
Speaker 1: didn't have like an eye. She did every day she
Speaker 1: coordinated with her outfits, and I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: loved it. And Kelly with the candies ads, remember the
Speaker 1: candies adds the shoes. I feel like that kind of
Speaker 1: color and that mischief is like really kind of how
Speaker 1: the Brook character started to feel like, I'm gonna weare
Speaker 1: this juicy lip gloss today. Yeah, oh yeah. We got
Speaker 1: really into God, we bought so many palettes of really
Speaker 1: colorful eyes shadow. We got really into like super glossy
Speaker 1: lip gloss. I mean, Kelly and I really really worked
Speaker 1: on what that girl looked like. Joy you You're a
Speaker 1: makeup was really good too, Did you once you started
Speaker 1: dating Nathan? Did that free you up to be flirtier? Aesthetically?
Speaker 1: Because they really tried to make you like, you know,
Speaker 1: the girl that didn't wear any makeup in the beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that was part of it. She was like
Speaker 1: just experimenting a little bit more with I feel it,
Speaker 1: wanting to feel grown up. Um. But I also don't
Speaker 1: know that we put I don't think I put that
Speaker 1: much thought into it. I might have, but I don't remember.
Speaker 1: But it was Kelly on this episode. She must have
Speaker 1: been because that is such a Kelly. Yeah. So um yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that was just her instinct was
Speaker 1: to was to draw out my brown eyes I don't know,
Speaker 1: try and make them look bigger or something, DOEI or
Speaker 1: I don't know, but a great job. Yeah, we need
Speaker 1: to ask her for sure, Kelly George Jefferson Okay, So
Speaker 1: Destiny wants to know, after so many years of doing
Speaker 1: the show, how were you guys able to snap into
Speaker 1: character and back into your own personality during filming and
Speaker 1: do you think that affected your actual personality. I think
Speaker 1: it would be the other way around for me. I mean,
Speaker 1: my personality would have affected the character more than the
Speaker 1: character affecting my personality. I think, I hope. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I've said it in the past. I feel like
Speaker 1: part of the reason I got so goofy and interviews
Speaker 1: or just like kind of flip it and would lie
Speaker 1: is because I needed people to understand that I'm not
Speaker 1: peyton sort like I I'm not an innately sad person,
Speaker 1: so I would clown it up a lot. I still
Speaker 1: do um because I also just don't like wallowing. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not a wallower. Be sad and move on me too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel that I don't like to wallow, but I
Speaker 1: am really analytical and really introspective and really want to
Speaker 1: like I want to suck the marrow out, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to get the lesson. I want to understand systems,
Speaker 1: like I like technical things and none of that. You
Speaker 1: see in brook we got a glimpse of it this
Speaker 1: episode where she's like, I need to know your hobby.
Speaker 1: I need to know what you like. I need to
Speaker 1: know what you like and I want to get too. Um.
Speaker 1: But I yeah, I think what was hard And I
Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit before too. It was
Speaker 1: hard for me to feel like people thought I was
Speaker 1: some like out there super sexual person because Brooke was.
Speaker 1: Because it it brought an energy and like a gaze
Speaker 1: my way that made me feel very um, very exposed,
Speaker 1: and very uncomfortable. So it's interesting. I I know that
Speaker 1: as the years went on, there were things about my
Speaker 1: personality to Joy's point that affected Brooks more um. And
Speaker 1: I do think I took some some lessons from Brooke.
Speaker 1: You know, I got I was such a people pleaser.
Speaker 1: I I was a pro at like ignoring red flags
Speaker 1: and just being a good girl. And and Brooke really
Speaker 1: taught me to be like, I'm not gonna put up
Speaker 1: with this, like absolutely, you know we're finished here, this
Speaker 1: is the line you've crossed it. I did have that
Speaker 1: when I started playing her at all. That took me
Speaker 1: years to cultivate. And I in hindsight and like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but in hindsight, I feel like she probably
Speaker 1: helped me learn that. That's so cool. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm done, I'm done. I'm just crying and Materials still
Speaker 1: dealing with my kids. You know. It's so funny because
Speaker 1: I like, my son is a really tender animal. And
Speaker 1: so sometimes when we're watching these episodes and I see
Speaker 1: Peyton being like particularly sensitive, it's like it's like watching
Speaker 1: Gus in a wig, because he has the chin tremble
Speaker 1: when he gets upset and I'm just like, oh no,
Speaker 1: it's my kid. Yeah, yeah, he can't watch these Tilly's
Speaker 1: much much much older, otherwise they'll just be able to
Speaker 1: manipulate me. It's too much. All right, we got another question, Joy,
Speaker 1: it's our next question. Well, I like this one, and
Speaker 1: I and I've we've talked about this, but I think
Speaker 1: the fans will love to know. Um. Aaron has a
Speaker 1: question about stage names. Uh. She asks, have you ever
Speaker 1: considered or did you ever consider using a stage name
Speaker 1: instead of your real name? And Joy, why do you
Speaker 1: use Bethany if you don't go by that name? Is
Speaker 1: there story behind why you go by Joy instead of Bethany? Yeah? Um,
Speaker 1: I'll run into my my partial portion of this real quick. Um.
Speaker 1: I of course considered using a stage name when I
Speaker 1: was younger, because I was obsessed with the name Rose.
Speaker 1: And I remember going on an audition once with my
Speaker 1: mother and I was old enough to sign my name.
Speaker 1: She made me sign myself into the sign in sheets,
Speaker 1: so I must have been I think I was probably
Speaker 1: ten nine or ten, and I wrote my name as
Speaker 1: Rose Lens on the sign in sheet because I wanted
Speaker 1: to see what, you know, what it would sound like
Speaker 1: to have somebody call that out and if I liked it.
Speaker 1: So she said, you know, somebody came out to called
Speaker 1: Rose Rose Lens. And I stood up and walked in.
Speaker 1: My mom's like, uh, you know, do you know where
Speaker 1: you got the name from? Where'd you hear it that?
Speaker 1: You were like, that's the one I don't I've just
Speaker 1: and it's my daughter's middle name. I've just always I
Speaker 1: don't know that name just very syncopated with me in
Speaker 1: some in some deep way, um symbiotic. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the word is anyway. Um, but yeah. And then
Speaker 1: I'd changed the spelling of my name to j O
Speaker 1: I E when I was thirteen, just in high school,
Speaker 1: and went by j O I E. Lens for many
Speaker 1: years professionally, and then changed it when I got one
Speaker 1: Tree Hill. I was, um, just going through sort of
Speaker 1: a shift in my life and trying to figure out,
Speaker 1: I guess, wanting to be more authentic and not trying
Speaker 1: to be whatever everybody else, what I thought everyone else
Speaker 1: wanted me to be. Um, it's like the theme of
Speaker 1: my life. It's something I've been trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how to. It's been a very it's funny being my
Speaker 1: age now and looking back and being like, man, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I gotta took me a long time, Like I was
Speaker 1: aware that that was a problem of mine when I
Speaker 1: was twenty, but it's still working its way out of
Speaker 1: my system. Yeah. So that's why I decided to use
Speaker 1: my whole name. I've never personally liked the name Bessany
Speaker 1: for me, um, but I I felt I was. It
Speaker 1: was more of like a leap of faith, like I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna embrace fully who I am and just go
Speaker 1: for this and use my whole name. Um. So whatever.
Speaker 1: I still wish I was rose Lands, but it's too
Speaker 1: late now Rose. Yeah. It's funny because I interestingly know
Speaker 1: a lot of guys who go by their middle name.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh sure, yeah, you know yeah, And I
Speaker 1: don't really know where that comes from. If someone wants
Speaker 1: to give us the research on that, we would love it. Um.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I always thought was
Speaker 1: cool about you using your full name, you know, first,
Speaker 1: middle last, was that people who aren't really close to you,
Speaker 1: we'll call you Bethany, and we get to call you Jo.
Speaker 1: It's also how we know who's fulish. It does it
Speaker 1: doesn't help. It helps to know when somebody says, hey, Bethany,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, you don't know me, Yes, how
Speaker 1: can I help you? Somebody calls me Joy, then I
Speaker 1: know they know me. Yeah, I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: think that's so cool. I never thought to use one hill,
Speaker 1: did you? So when we started doing the show. I
Speaker 1: never had this problem at MTV. I had this problem
Speaker 1: when we started doing the show. Is you know, like
Speaker 1: the creepy message boards. People started accusing me of making
Speaker 1: up my name because the spelling is like all wonky,
Speaker 1: and they were like, she's trying so hard to get
Speaker 1: attention by like changing, like clearly that's not her real name.
Speaker 1: And I remember, like you know when you get mad
Speaker 1: about Tiger, I mean, would know I'm named You know
Speaker 1: how I got my name? I guess this is the
Speaker 1: story that I get. My mother was like turbo pregnant,
Speaker 1: and if I was going to be a boy, I
Speaker 1: was gonna be named after my dad um. But she
Speaker 1: didn't have a girl name. And I guess she went
Speaker 1: to her brother's house and there was a Golden Retriever
Speaker 1: next door that was like yapping, and this woman comes
Speaker 1: out of the back door and it's like Hillary, Hillary,
Speaker 1: knock it off, you know. And my mom was like, cool.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the story that I've gotten over the years.
Speaker 1: But a yappy Golden Retriever with an I E Hillary
Speaker 1: with an I E. Yeah, you know. I thought about
Speaker 1: going as Hillary Ross. My middle name is Ross with
Speaker 1: one s s. Again, it was like a weird spelling thing.
Speaker 1: I like it. I don't know, guys, um, but no,
Speaker 1: I I don't know even now. You know I'm Hillary
Speaker 1: Burton Morgan now and it just feels like so many syllables.
Speaker 1: I know that Ben hr lens and I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It doesn't like it's like like Sarah just
Speaker 1: a good Parker. It all rolls off your time. It
Speaker 1: made signing autographs significantly more work. I should just do
Speaker 1: are initials. Yeah, h yeah, the B is a little
Speaker 1: am I a B M. Girls, I'm such a ten
Speaker 1: year old about it. Perfect you know what that means? Um,
Speaker 1: oh my god, if you just I need you to
Speaker 1: do just once, sign something Hillary poop number two. I
Speaker 1: I don't know. I love. I like the sound of
Speaker 1: your name with Jeff's name. It feels very complete. Do
Speaker 1: what it feels like to me? Fair a faucet. Major's
Speaker 1: that's what I thought. It's like, yeah, I was one
Speaker 1: of three names. Everyone else got three names. Chad Joy
Speaker 1: got three names. I never thought to have a stage name,
Speaker 1: and honestly, I kind of wish I did because people
Speaker 1: are so freaking creepy, Like most people are nice, but
Speaker 1: the ones that are creepy are so deeply creepy. They
Speaker 1: track down your parents. Yeah, And it's like I really
Speaker 1: wish I had like a layer of protection, like even
Speaker 1: with silly things, like you know, certain verifications you need,
Speaker 1: like for your bank where you have to give them
Speaker 1: your mom's maiden name. I can't. You had to make
Speaker 1: something up. And I mean this is obviously a thing.
Speaker 1: We all share it. I don't know if it really
Speaker 1: irks me. Like I I am such a believer in
Speaker 1: like respect and boundaries, so when they get crossed, it
Speaker 1: like it makes me like not be able to sleep
Speaker 1: at night, and it just like it really like affects
Speaker 1: my feelings. And so I'm like, man, a stage name.
Speaker 1: Maybe I could have just had, Like what would your
Speaker 1: stage name be? In a perfect world, it's you, You
Speaker 1: go in the studio, you show up in twentieth century
Speaker 1: Fox or what was the big studio back then. I
Speaker 1: don't know. M m M fine, Fine, you go to
Speaker 1: m Golden Mayor and they've got the little window and
Speaker 1: you walk up to the window and there's a guy
Speaker 1: sitting there and it's got two things of index cards.
Speaker 1: One is first names, one is last names. And that's
Speaker 1: how they picked your name, by the way, is really yep.
Speaker 1: You would just file through the thing and pick a
Speaker 1: card at random, and pick another card at random, and
Speaker 1: there you go, Ava Gardner. No stop, that's it, okay,
Speaker 1: So what will yours be? It was also today years
Speaker 1: old when I learned this. I can't believe it. We
Speaker 1: need we need good stage names so that when we
Speaker 1: do our next series together. Here's mine, Eve Harling, Oh,
Speaker 1: Harling Harling. I love it. Eve is really good. I
Speaker 1: would take There's all sorts of names. I love the
Speaker 1: sound of man. Let me tell you what I would
Speaker 1: love to have not shared a last name. We two
Speaker 1: former US presidents, especially when everyone it's so insane, and
Speaker 1: I still get people who like yell at me, who
Speaker 1: were like, you know, you're you're so progressive. Your family
Speaker 1: must be embarrassed. I'm like, my family's from Canada, and
Speaker 1: what you're talking about? Um, but so yeah, it would
Speaker 1: have been cool to not have had that. I would
Speaker 1: I would have taken an index card of whatever. I'll
Speaker 1: take anything you got. I always want to be someone
Speaker 1: really bitchy, like like Andrameda psychs, you know, like like
Speaker 1: something kind of androgynous and just like I'm hard drama.
Speaker 1: It's good evil. Um yeah, we like Peovil evil works,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Every movie needs an evil person.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, like like a name like Cruella de Ville.
Speaker 1: It's so good, so good? Should we show while we're
Speaker 1: talking about selecting things at random? Should we spend the
Speaker 1: wheel was a good seg joy? Okay, what do we got?
Speaker 1: The winner is most likely to live with their mom
Speaker 1: as an adult. Well okay, so character most likely to
Speaker 1: live with their mom as an adult? Wait? Did Brook
Speaker 1: live with Victoria? Victoria lived with Brook? I think Victoria
Speaker 1: lived with Broke maybebe she didn't live with me. I
Speaker 1: would have loved it, honestly. If I if I could
Speaker 1: have gotten more hilarious scenes like with you know, definitely
Speaker 1: just juggling stuff at home, I would have loved it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who which character would live with their mom? Can I
Speaker 1: sign Brooke up to live with her mom. Now, all right, fine.
Speaker 1: I think Keith would have, but in not in the
Speaker 1: derogatory way that I think this is implying. I think
Speaker 1: he would have done that to care for he seems
Speaker 1: like the most nurturing. That would be the kind of
Speaker 1: person that would have stuck around. And actually Craig himself
Speaker 1: also would be the type of person that would would
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, Craig Keith chicken dinner. Yeah, and in
Speaker 1: the sweetest way, in a loving way. Yeah. Caretaking respect
Speaker 1: for your elders. I love it. Hey, do we know
Speaker 1: what happens in the next episode? What do we have
Speaker 1: to look forward to next week? Anything? Anything dangerous? Anybody
Speaker 1: else taking their pants off? Next episode? I have to
Speaker 1: look at the rundown? What is it? Crash course? In
Speaker 1: polite conversations, is the next episode? Are you guys at
Speaker 1: home watching along with us? I hope so. I hope
Speaker 1: so too. It's fun to watch it week by week
Speaker 1: like we had to in two thousand three, you know
Speaker 1: that weekly anticipation, because as I'm washing dishes before we
Speaker 1: tape these things, I'm like, man, I can't wait, Like
Speaker 1: I know, I can't wait. Yeah, I'm excited. I hope
Speaker 1: we and guys we watch these right before we film
Speaker 1: our podcast. I mean, that's how we do it. It's
Speaker 1: not like us watch it sometimes this week, like we
Speaker 1: are sitting down watching them together and rolling right into
Speaker 1: taping for you. So I hope that you'll watch along
Speaker 1: with us. In fact, maybe we should do a live
Speaker 1: watch sometimes Instagram live watch right before we film our
Speaker 1: podcast or something. Let's do that. Well, we're going to
Speaker 1: practice our live events, and I'm really excited about the
Speaker 1: live event that we have coming up for O th
Speaker 1: h day. Um. I hope we get a ton of
Speaker 1: fan questions. Yeah, I think we should all coordinate our outfits, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what are you guys wearing? I don't know what to wear.
Speaker 1: I don't either. I'm excited to see you in person though.
Speaker 1: That's going to be really fun. Yeah. Alright, so you
Speaker 1: guys get your tickets to that watch watch episode twelve
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