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Speaker 2: Image inside scoop time with that FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken,

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Speaker 2: which I feel like you've been covering for months now.

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Speaker 3: So what's the aftermath? What are you hearing and what

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there's much of an afternet math

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Speaker 1: A lot of this has to do with his age.

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Speaker 4: I never thought you got me. Ken said cooties. I

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Speaker 1: The Cubs, great for Kyle Tucker. And the reason I

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Speaker 1: Perhaps the reason they haven't focused on Bishett is because

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Speaker 1: Again, we'll find out exactly how much they value the player.

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Speaker 4: Are the Phillies overlooked? You were there this weekend. You

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Speaker 2: Hey, I want to hop to the San Francisco Giants, Ken.

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Speaker 2: We haven't spoken about them in a moment. What do

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Speaker 2: you think of their hot start? We know it's very

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Speaker 2: very early on. They got shut down by Hunter Green yesterday,

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Speaker 2: but already you can que the Buster Posey effect, which

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Speaker 2: I talked yesterday about the possibility of that making a

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Speaker 2: having that many player differences from last year. But what

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Speaker 2: do you think from what you've seen so far?

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Speaker 1: I spoke about this on Fair Territory yesterday a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and it's going to be a really easy narrative for

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Speaker 1: us to say, Ah, far, anxiety's gone, Buster Posey's here,

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Speaker 1: the players feel liberated, it's back to baseball, And to

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Speaker 1: some degree that is true. I do expect that even

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Speaker 1: the players would acknowledge. Yeah, it's a different vibe in

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Speaker 1: the organization right now, in different culture and in their minds,

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Speaker 1: a better culture. It's not all of it. Willia Damas,

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Speaker 1: even though he's not hitting yet, is part of this, right.

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Speaker 1: Jung Hu Lee, who barely played last year, is part

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Speaker 1: that's a part. Justin Verlander, even though he has not

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Speaker 1: Ray adding a change up. All of these things are happening,

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Speaker 1: besides the changeover from posey to a anxiety to posey. Now,

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Speaker 1: Posey did of course play an instrumental role in signing

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Speaker 1: a Damas, so he gets credit for that. But I

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Speaker 1: want to see it play out more. They have been

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Speaker 1: quite interesting so far. I like their rotation. The back

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Speaker 1: pretty good Doval and Walker, so it's intriguing to see

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Speaker 1: where they are right now. But yes, we do need

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Speaker 1: to see more.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I'm with you. Yeah, we're a couple weeks in.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna do power rankings later.

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Speaker 2: Ken, you can slide out of here before that to

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Speaker 2: avoid what should be Yeah, a lot of fun and

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Speaker 2: a lot of fan love and hate, so Ken, thank

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Speaker 2: you for the time. We'll catch you on Thursday on

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Speaker 2: fair Territory.

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Speaker 3: Thanks guys, thank you.

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