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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three

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Speaker 1: d and fifteen, and today in the show, I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by outdoor writer and white Tail expert Travis Faulkner to

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Speaker 1: go deep into new rut hunting ideas, stand sites, calling, tactics,

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Speaker 1: and much much more. All Right, welcome to the Wired

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx to In

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Speaker 1: the show, we've got Travis Faulkner. He is a serious

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Speaker 1: hunter and outdoor writer from Kentucky and he's in period

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Speaker 1: in all sorts of places like Outdoor Life, Field Stream,

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Speaker 1: North American, white Tail, and a number of other publications

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Speaker 1: and show os. And today he's gonna be joining me

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Speaker 1: to talk rut hunting strategy, all things rut, pinch points, funnels, betting, years, decoying, rattling,

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Speaker 1: how to find the spot within the spot, you know,

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Speaker 1: everything you needed to be doing this time of year

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Speaker 1: to fill a tag. That's what last week's podcast was about.

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Speaker 1: That's what this week's podcast is about. Because we're in

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Speaker 1: that super Bowl of the white tail season. It's now

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Speaker 1: is the time to get it done, So I want

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Speaker 1: to make sure we're getting you some good info. And

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Speaker 1: that is also why I've got a guest co host

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Speaker 1: on the show with me today for our intro, because

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Speaker 1: he's always got some helpful things to share, and there's

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Speaker 1: no better time to hear that kind of thing than now.

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Speaker 1: So Andy May, thanks for helping me out on this one. Hey,

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Speaker 1: no problem, buddy, anytime. Excited to catch up because we've

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Speaker 1: been kinda You've been off in Nebraska. I was in Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: and we've been like trying to play phone tag and

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Speaker 1: get caught up and haven't got to spend too much

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Speaker 1: time chatting. So I'm glad we can do this and

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Speaker 1: you have. You've been on a tear this year. Um.

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Speaker 1: We talked earlier. You killed that buck in Kentucky, and

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Speaker 1: then since then you killed one in Ohio. Then you

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Speaker 1: went to Nebraska and killed a big mule there, and

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Speaker 1: then you came back to Michigan. You just killed a

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Speaker 1: giant Michigan. Um, so I'm curious if you could send

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Speaker 1: like your lucky rabbit's foot or four leaf clover or

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Speaker 1: whatever it is. If you send it my way because

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Speaker 1: because my luck is is all out from last year. UM,

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Speaker 1: so I need some Andy may good juju please. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's I don't know, it doesn't always happen like this,

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Speaker 1: but you know, it seems like every once in a

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Speaker 1: while it does. You just kinda try to ride that

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure it'll end soon, so I'll try

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Speaker 1: to send some of your way. Thanks, And in all seriousness,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's luck. I know that it's preparation

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Speaker 1: and hard work and a whole lot of experience that's

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Speaker 1: led to all that success Andy, But I do think

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Speaker 1: could be worth it least talking about your Michigan hunt,

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Speaker 1: because that was pretty recent. That was just in the

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Speaker 1: last couple of days of October. Um. And it was

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Speaker 1: interesting because you texted me the morning of and you said,

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Speaker 1: this big buck showed up. He's in a spot where

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Speaker 1: if a big boy rolls in, he doesn't live very long.

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Speaker 1: I think I can kill him. And then like seven

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Speaker 1: So I gotta hear how it happened. Um, this laid

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Speaker 1: October kind of pre rut time frame. UM. Really interested

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Speaker 1: me this goop? Sure? Yeah, So this is a book

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Speaker 1: that UM, I have a little bit of history with

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Speaker 1: as far as um uh. Last year, I had some

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Speaker 1: And he started showing up on this property UM right

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Speaker 1: what he turned into. And just like clockwork, just like

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Speaker 1: same area, um, just like he did last year. Um.

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Speaker 1: It just must be his kind of breeding area, his

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Speaker 1: I was in Nebraska. Um uh. Then I on my

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Speaker 1: But when you say you get the finger on the pulse,

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Speaker 1: on the property. Um. But I use all those above

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Speaker 1: a really really close shot. Now I know the SHOT's

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00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: gonna happen, and it's gonna be right under me, and

429
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be very close. So I leaned back to

430
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 1: the right so that the big tree is directly between

431
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: him and I, and he's already within fifteen yards of

432
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: me and walking, and I come to full draw behind

433
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: the big tree, which was a huge advantage to have

434
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: the saddle in this situation. UM. Unless I had a

435
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: tree stand facing the opposite way of the deer, which

436
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have done. In this case, I probably

437
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: would have been faced off to the right or face

438
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: directly at him. UM. It would have been really hard

439
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: to come to full draw because I wasn't that high.

440
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: I didn't want to get super duper high, um, because

441
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: the canopy wasn't real high. It was a little lower. UM.

442
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: But with the saddle, I was able to literally just

443
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: just kind of swing back behind the tree so that

444
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: the tree blocked me, blocked me from his vision, and

445
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: I came to full draw, and then I just slowly

446
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: swung back around and creeped around. By the time I

447
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 1: creeped back around, he was at five yards like right

448
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: under my tree, and he was he was quartering to

449
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 1: me just a little, and he was starting to smell around,

450
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: which I thought was incredible because he hadn't even crossed

451
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: my as yet. But he he wasn't locked up, but

452
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: he was like almost like he was sensing something. And

453
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, man, like come on, Like I purposely,

454
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: I did have to walk through the center of uh

455
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 1: Like there's there's pretty much two trails that looked like

456
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: they were kind of coming out off through that island.

457
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 1: I did have to cross those trails to get to

458
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: the tree I was in because of the way I

459
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: was playing the wind, Do you get me? Okay? So,

460
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: but what I tried to do is I tried to

461
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 1: make sure I crossed them where I would already have

462
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: a shot at that deer beforehand, Like if he was

463
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: coming down those trails, i'd have a shot before he

464
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: would cross my boot trail. Is what what I tried

465
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: to do so, but he's he's starting to sniff, like

466
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: he smells me before he even gets to my track,

467
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: like like like ten ft before, and I'm like, oh

468
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: my gosh, is he's smelling, you know, like he's gonna

469
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna bust. But I just was patient and I said,

470
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take that shot. He's according to Well,

471
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: then he just kind of slowly starts creeping forward. He

472
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: turns a little more broadside. I put the pin right,

473
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, kind of high on his back. It's like

474
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: it's almost like a not straight down, but it's a

475
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: it's a steep angle shot. Not not ideal, but with broadside, um,

476
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's not too bad. It's it's a lot

477
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: harder when they're right under the tree. A lot of

478
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: times you'll get that one long. But he was out

479
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: about five six yards and I could get just that angle.

480
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: If I go just into the spine, I'm gonna I'm

481
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: gonna get him good. So I put the pin there,

482
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: I shoot, and I see that the lighted knock berry

483
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: like up to the fletching and he takes off and

484
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: it was it was dark enough where I just you know,

485
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: it just wasn't sure. Like I said, I think that

486
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: shots great, but it was high, but it's supposed to

487
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: be high because of the angle right. So but it's

488
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: just like if he was out thirty yards and I

489
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: hit him there, i'd be a little worried, but he

490
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: was so close, so I felt I felt pretty good.

491
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: Text to my buddy Mike to come out and help me.

492
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: Um when he ran off, I did hear him go

493
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: through some brush, but then I didn't hear anything. I

494
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: didn't hear a crash or anything, and I was like, oh, man,

495
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: I should have heard a crash. Karen's starting to stress

496
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: out a little bit. And then long story shore, we

497
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: give him a couple of hours just to be safe.

498
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: Buddy shows up. We started walking out there and we

499
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: come around the dry side so we don't have to

500
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: wade through the water. I was like, let's you know,

501
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: we're not who cares if we bumped anything. Now, let's

502
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: just walk the dry side. And we come walking down

503
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: and we're kind of getting someone up close to, uh

504
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: where the shot happened, and I kind of looked to

505
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: my left. It's pitch dark. We don't even have any

506
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: lights on, and I go what's that Shine your light

507
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: over there? And he shines his light over there, and

508
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: he was laying dead right there. So he only went

509
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: he only went about sixty yards. It was a it

510
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: was a good double long shot, um. And we walked

511
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: up to him and he was he was even bigger

512
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: than what I thought he was, to be honest. You, um,

513
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: his mass in trail camp pictures and stuff, it's kind

514
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: of hard to identify mass. Like sometimes when you get

515
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: like a real palmated one, you know he's heavy, um,

516
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: but you couldn't really tell that with this book. Um.

517
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: But his his beans are just so heavy. That's the

518
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: best part about him. And the tall brown tens. His

519
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: brown times have had grown a lot from the year prior.

520
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: But he's super cool. Yeah. So so I did. Wasn't

521
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: trying to sound cocky or anything when I said I

522
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: think I got a good chance of this, dear. It's

523
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: it's because he showed up where he did in this area.

524
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: It's very clear, very distinct lines of travel, very straightforward

525
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: on how to hunt it. If you can stay out,

526
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: which a lot of people can't, you know, if they

527
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: you know, if they have trouble staying out until things

528
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: kind of heat up. You know, if I would have

529
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: been hunting that island and hunting this other spot before

530
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: he was there, before the activity picked up, probably wouldn't

531
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: have helped my cause. So tryl Camber played a big

532
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: role in this one. Really really interesting to hear how

533
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: you played it and how you you waited for the

534
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: right time, made the move, understood the property well enough

535
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: that you knew where those top spots were, and then

536
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: had the plan to go in one, two, three, And

537
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: that's cool. It was really cool to see it all

538
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: come together. When you texted me that morning, I was like, oh,

539
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: that buck better watch out, And sure enough, that's uh,

540
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: that's what the case was. So before, um, before, let's

541
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: go Andy. When this podcast drops, it's gonna be November

542
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: six or seven, so people will be you know, right

543
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: in the midst of it. Um, yeah, November seven. So

544
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: one or two quick, just rut hunting rules from Andy.

545
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: May your couple pieces of wisdom for people hunting this

546
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: next week or so? Sure? Yeah, Well, I'll start off

547
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: by saying this is this is probably my least favorite

548
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: time to hunt, uh, when I'm after a particular deer,

549
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: But if you're not after it's really hard to pattern

550
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: them down. Um, the movement's become much more kind of

551
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: all over the place. But if you're just looking for

552
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: a nice deer or any mature buck, it's it's a

553
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: great time. Um. I'll say this, my favorite areas typically

554
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: depending on where where I'm hunting, I like to be on.

555
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: I like to know where dog groups bed. Um. They

556
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: usually kind of stay pretty similar throughout the fall, and

557
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: I like to I like to play around the downwind

558
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: sides of those. I've had great luck with that, and

559
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: it's a great spot to sit all day, um at

560
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: least until um, at least until like that three o'clock

561
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: time frame. Okay, at least till then, because what happens

562
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: is those dolls will come back to bed sometimes. Uh

563
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: sometimes you'll get bucks kind of cruising that downward side

564
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: early in the morning. But about my favorite time during

565
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: the rut is like that mid morning, like that nine

566
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: o'clock to noon, UM, seems to be a really great

567
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: time for that that type of scenario. Um. Definitely, Um, definitely,

568
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: if you can on all day, if you're in that

569
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: type of situation, at least until three or four o'clock.

570
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: If if once the evening hours hit like that afternoon

571
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: if you want to move to something more maybe kind

572
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: of towards a food source or something where there's you

573
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: could kind of get into the cover a little bit.

574
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: But on the way to a food source, that's not

575
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: a bad idea. Um. The evening sits tend to be

576
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: a little slower on the downward sides of dope betting

577
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: area once the dolls start to leave. Um. So that's

578
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: that's one. UM. The other one I like is just

579
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: your your basic funnel between dough between dope betting areas.

580
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: So I see this a lot in like river bottom ground. Um,

581
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: sometimes you'll get it like in egg country where you

582
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: know you've got a wood lot here that holds deer

583
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: and and you've got a marsh here that holds deer,

584
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: and then there's some sort of strip of cover that

585
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: connects the two or maybe just two wood lots that

586
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: that typically hold dose. Um. Those are great spots. And

587
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: those are again great spots to sit all day at

588
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: least through that at least through that eleven to three

589
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: time frame I've I've killed. I can't tell you how

590
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: many big bucks I've killed. In mid day it's my

591
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: favorite time of day during the rut, and I've killed

592
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: some really old including my biggest. My my big one

593
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: seventy two was was that three in three in the afternoon,

594
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: so maybe not exactly mid day, but still plenty early um,

595
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: but a lot in that eleven to two range. UM.

596
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: I really like that time frame. And if you're if

597
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: you're hunting either of those spots, definitely sit through that

598
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: time frame. You can sit there the rest of the night, um,

599
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: but you might be better off moving towards something a

600
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: little more related to food for that afternoon. I don't

601
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: always do that. Sometimes I camp out all day because

602
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: I really don't like leaving and then moving in um

603
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: to a new new spot. But I will do that

604
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: if I don't think the evening is going to be productive. UM.

605
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: And then another tip is you're going to start to

606
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: see the big mature box. A lot of times you'll

607
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: see them for the first time and they're gonna be

608
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: locked down with a dough. UM. They usually pick up

609
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: the first dough or two that's in heat. When you

610
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: see that, you have a short window. You have anywhere

611
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: from like a depending on when you first see him.

612
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: If he did, he just just lock up with that

613
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: dough or has he been with her for a day?

614
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: He usually got like one, two, at the very most

615
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: three days that he's gonna be with that dough, and

616
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: you can almost count that he's going to be in

617
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: that area. Okay, So what what I've had good luck

618
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: with doing is when I see that, I usually a

619
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: lot of times will get out of the tree and

620
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: I will move closer and I will set up as

621
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: close as possible um to where that action is. And

622
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 1: if you can if it's a scenario where you can

623
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: see and observe like um CRP type ground or marsh

624
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: type ground or or you know, kind of scrub brush,

625
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: that's all the better because then you'll be able to

626
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: see this buck kind of pushing this dough around, or

627
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: the dough kind of moving around naturally, and he's just

628
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: following her, and he he's occupied. This is your time

629
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: to dive in if you want that particular deer to

630
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: get in tight. And I've been really aggressive when I

631
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: see him locked down like that, and I'm able to

632
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: get in really close within a hundred yards sometimes closer,

633
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: and then and then it's just a matter of like

634
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: waiting for him to make a mistake, waiting for that

635
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: dough to come a little closer, or when they're preoccupied

636
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: looking away, you can sneak in and crawling a little closer.

637
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: That this is another good, good dog, you know, plugged

638
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: for a saddle. UM. You know, if you have something

639
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: to get up in a tree and you're wearing that saddle,

640
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: that's perfect tool in that type of scenario. But if

641
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: you see that and you're sitting two hundred yards away,

642
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: get down and move closer if you can, if you

643
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: have that ability to stay mobile, um, And it's a

644
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: very very re least move into that area the next

645
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: day and and you're in the game. They're gonna be

646
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: in that area that that that buck will not let

647
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: that dough go too far. And the only way I've seen, um,

648
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: when one's locked down with a dough. The only time

649
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: I've seen a buck move an area like more than

650
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: like two or three hundred yards is when another buck

651
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: comes in and tries to tries to, you know, interfere

652
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: with that that breeding process. That buck, the big buck,

653
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: the more mature buck will meet and and chase that

654
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: other buck off, and then I've seen the dough take off.

655
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: So I've seen the dough take off like two three

656
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: yards and and now they're in a different area. But

657
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: that's I've seen that happen multiple times. I saw that

658
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: in Iowa on a big buck um that I end

659
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: up shooting. Luckily, this other buck came across the crp

660
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: faield the buck I was hunting challenge that buck. The

661
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: doe came running right by me. And then once that

662
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: buck chase that I went off, he came. He came

663
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: right by me and I got a shot. So nice

664
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: when that happens. Yeah, those are those are probably some

665
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: tips that I'd try to keep in mind, you know

666
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: during the rut and you know, just putting a lot

667
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: of times it's just putting in time out in the tree,

668
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: you know. Don't overlook that that midday time frame. Yeah,

669
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: good stuff, my friend, good stuff. I appreciate you taking

670
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: a little time to help us introduce this episode with

671
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: your story and some quick tips. Um. At this point

672
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: we're recordings on Halloween, so about a week before this

673
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: podcast will go out. I still haven't had my rut success,

674
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: but hope they'll change here soon and uh maybe we'll

675
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: be able to chat again here with a couple more

676
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: success stories in the in a matter of days. Al right, buddy,

677
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: sounds good. All right, We're gonna now flip it over

678
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: to my chat with Travis Faulkner with a whole lot

679
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: more rut hunting info and stick around for a deer

680
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: hunting joke at the end. It's worth the weight, all right.

681
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: Before moving on that, we need to thank our friends

682
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: over at first light. And I'm out there hunting the

683
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: white right now. And here's what I'm wearing. I'm wearing

684
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: a couple different sets of their bass layers, depending on

685
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: how cold it is. It's really cold and wearing their furnace.

686
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: That's three fifty level bass layers. If it's warmer and

687
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 1: running there one fifty or two fifty layer bass layers.

688
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: Then on the bottoms. The next thing I add would

689
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: be straight to the main piece, which is these Solitude bibs.

690
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: On the top. I'm gonna be wearing those bass layers.

691
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: I just mentioned that them to throw on top the

692
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: claymath hoodie. If it's super duper cold, they might layer

693
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: a vest or something like the Brooks jacket, which is

694
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: a really lightweight down sweater. And then finally overtop is

695
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: going to be the Solitude jacket. Uh. And of course

696
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: gonna throw in a beanie, some gloves, and I'm ready

697
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: to rock and roll. If you want to learn more

698
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: about that system or any other stuff out there that

699
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: first Lay has to offer, you can go to first

700
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: Light dot com. And while we're at it, also want

701
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: to thank Lacrosse and I've been telling you about the

702
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: new Navigator series, their new lace up boots. I've been

703
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: testing them for the last I don't know, three weeks now.

704
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: I took him on that Minnesota Boundary waters hunt. That

705
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: was my main boot and it worked great. I mean,

706
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: that was the ideal type of boot to have for

707
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: that hunt because I wanted something super comfortable for hiking

708
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: all over the place. We're going up and down these

709
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: big rocky ridges, hiking all over the place. They're comfortable.

710
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: They were waterproof when I had to get in and

711
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: out of the canoe and uh, I have no complaints.

712
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: So check out the wind rows by Lacrosse. That's when

713
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: I was running and two thumbs up. All right with me?

714
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: Now on the line is Travis Fultoner. Welcome to the show. Travis.

715
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: It's good to be here. I really appreciate it. Like

716
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: we were just saying before we started recording, This is

717
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: a real busy time for folks, so I know it's

718
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: no small thing to carve out the time out of

719
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: the tree stand to chat. So thanks. Yeah, it's like

720
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: I said, it's time of being the woods and not

721
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: on the phone. But you know, we'd like to take

722
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: Tom too a little deer on soil. You know, we're

723
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: good to go on that good. Well, for all those

724
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: that maybe aren't familiar with who you are yet, could

725
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: you give us just a quick cliff notes in row

726
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: on who you are what you do in the hunting world. Yeah,

727
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm Travis Father. I'm an outdoor rider. Um, I also

728
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: teach school and and don't I can't remember while I've

729
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: been riding for that dooor maybe the stuff I write

730
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: for a little bit of everybody like Outdoor Life and

731
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: Film Stream, North American Light, Tell Turkey Country magazines like that,

732
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: and uh. I grew up in the mountains of southeastern

733
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: Kentucky Appalachian Mountains, and you know, like most boys right here,

734
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: I grew up in you know, in the outdoors. My dad,

735
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: you know, practically carried me round in the woods before

736
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: I was even able to walk, you know, on squirrel

737
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: hunts and stuff. And I was fortunate enough to know

738
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: my grandfather growing up. And you know, those two guys

739
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: are not only taught me a lot, you know in

740
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: the woods, they taught me a lot, you know, about life,

741
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, through taking me hunt and fishing and whatnot.

742
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: And uh, I've just pretty much lived my life you know,

743
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: in the woods and on the lake and and uh,

744
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: you know, fortunately I was able to you know, kind

745
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: of make a career out of my riding and stuff

746
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: and you know, making appearances on shows on that door channel,

747
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: shoot the videos and stuff like that. You know, that's

748
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: when it's want live to do. Yeah, it's it's a

749
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: it's a real fulfilling and fun way to make a living,

750
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: that's for sure. It doesn't feel like we're that's pretty

751
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: lucky to be able to do it, that's for sure. Um.

752
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: You mentioned squirrel hunting, and I was actually just reading

753
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: a pretty recent piece of years and you were talking

754
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: about maybe it was your dad or some other friend

755
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: of yours who said that the best way to get

756
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: good at deer hunting is to be a squirrel hunter.

757
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: I'll tell you my dad and my grandfather said that,

758
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: and also Harold lied or not Hal you know, told

759
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: me they don't lainew many times he said, you know,

760
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: if you shuns pretty much the foundation and sad thing

761
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: today is a lot of kids are it's out well

762
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: necessarily sad, but a lot of kids just jump out

763
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: into the deer hunting in Turkey on him because the

764
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: deer and turkeys so plentiful now, whereas you know, when

765
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: I was a kid and from the older generations when

766
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: they were growing up, there just weren't a lot of

767
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: deer and the zero turkey's. So we you know, we

768
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: squirrel hunted and rabbit hunted and and of course with

769
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: deer hunted back then. But there was a roll of

770
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: the difference between now and then, you know, back in

771
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: those days. If if you've seen it though you were

772
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: calling your friend, you know, tell them about if you've

773
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: seen tracks. I mean, you just have the numbers that

774
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: we have today and and that's um, it's kind of

775
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: a good and a bad thing. The good thing about

776
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: that is is there are fewer deer and whatnot. You

777
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: really had You really had to know your stuff. You

778
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: had to be able to scout and and and know

779
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: what to do and be able to find sign. I

780
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: know how to react to that sign and and uh,

781
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, it really made you a better deer hunter.

782
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 1: But going back to the squirrelling poor, I mean, I

783
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: I strongly believe with those guys that you know, scoure

784
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: hunting is the foundation, because that's where you you learn

785
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: your woodmanship skills out. You know how to identify the

786
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: different masteries, how to be quiet, how to dis preen

787
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: your surroundings, reading an animal's body language, reading sign uh

788
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: sneaking through the woods, all that stuff you know you

789
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: learn from squirrel hunting. Yeah, I was one of those

790
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: kids who didn't get into squirrel hunting. I wish I had.

791
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: I shot squirrels, but it was kind of you know,

792
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: sitting behind the house and you want to shoot something

793
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: as a kid. And I did that, but I never

794
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: took it serious. And I wish I had. UM probably

795
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: have learned a few important things earlier than I did.

796
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: Um that woodsman shipped, like you said, is is pretty

797
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: underrated these days, isn't it. Yeah, it's it's underrated. I mean,

798
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people you only watched the

799
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: TV and I see a guy in uh, you know,

800
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: it's over manicured food plot and in a shooting the

801
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: else and and you know it was rand astrail cameras

802
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: or he's had a guy. So you know, eight thirty,

803
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: there's gonna be uh, you know, one forty class one

804
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: class book come out, you know, from the east and

805
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: the end of the field and and all that's great.

806
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm you know, definitely, I definitely not cutting

807
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: over food pots stuff like too. But growing up here

808
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: in the mountains, we didn't we don't have a lot

809
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: of food plots or fields, and you just had miles

810
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: and miles and miles of woods. And that really made you,

811
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: like I said, you had to have your woodness ship

812
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: skills on the on the next level, you know, to

813
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: get to where you had the opportunity even you know,

814
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: see if very much less shoot one. So it's you know,

815
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: it's a lot, it's a it's a lot different. You know,

816
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: hunt around here and stuff. And I squir hunting, you know,

817
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: without a doubt, maybe a better you know, all around hunter,

818
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: maybe a better deer hunter and a better turkey hunter.

819
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: And um, you know, growing up, like I said, I

820
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: hunted my pappa, my dad and my uncle's and we

821
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: used to go to beat each other at squirrel one.

822
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: I mean it was you know, we love the hunt part,

823
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: but we also like to get back of the truck

824
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: and swapping stories and see who killed the most. And

825
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: we usually used bolt Action twenty two with scopes and

826
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: we try to head shoot, and we wouldn't even count

827
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: the squirrel, you know, unless it was head shot. So

828
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: if you brought back six squirrels and only four of

829
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: them are head shot, you know you only killed four

830
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: and so forth. But it and and that's no thing.

831
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: You had to really pick your shots. You have to

832
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: be able to snake and and uh um, squirrel hunting.

833
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of people that didn't

834
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: grow up like I did doing it, they've got a

835
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: long impression about what you know, what it is. I mean,

836
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, you when you're in a deer stand, it

837
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: seemed like the squirrels where ever, or I mean, they're

838
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: they're running up the tree besides you there, you know

839
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: before on the all time you sometimes you think they

840
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: might be dear and that the squirrels are running. Everybody think, man,

841
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: if I you know, if I was scrowling, you know,

842
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: the scrowling stuff is easy. But if you scure hunt,

843
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, pressured areas, the squirrel has been hunting and stuff.

844
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you've gotta be able to snake, you'll be

845
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: able to move through the woods. And and the way

846
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: we always did it, we didn't just go out and

847
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: flat then under a hcornut tree that had cuttings under

848
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: and you know, wait for the squirrel that you know

849
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: come to us. We would move through the woods, you

850
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: know where you have to be able to snake and

851
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: and and identify the different trees and nowhere to go

852
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. You know, look up

853
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: at their rising and you can see if the little

854
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: branch go down and back up, you knew that was

855
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: a squirrel. You could identify that even if it was

856
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: windy and stuff. And um as far as like like

857
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: I said, we've talked with rifles and and a lot

858
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: of times you'd come up on like a beech nut

859
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: tree or acrenut tree or wide oak tree and then

860
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: have multiple squirrels in it. And you know, guys that

861
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: aren't experienced squirrel hunters were just ease up there and

862
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: shoot the first squirrel they got a good shot at

863
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: and you can kill it that way. But the way

864
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: we would do it is we would cherry pick the

865
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: tree and what I mean by that is if the

866
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: if the tree had six squirrels in it and they

867
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: were spread out on tree cut and uh, we would

868
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: get in position to shoot where we could see most

869
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: of the tree and would get a lane and you

870
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: would you would shoot the squirrels lower down and work

871
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: your way up and you put space in between your shots.

872
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: And um, if you would do that, you could end

873
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: up killing five if the squirl has and it's the

874
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: tree at five or six worlds, you could kill up

875
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: to five and possibly even six worlds if you did

876
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: it right. And the reason why you start the bottom.

877
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: You know, if you shot one out the top and

878
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: it fell through the other ones that were in the tree,

879
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: you know eating, they would they would see that, they

880
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: would get spooked. But if you shoot the lower ones

881
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: out and and uh, you know, put some time in

882
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: between your shots and wait a lot of times when

883
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: the first shot, even with the rife, we know they

884
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: stopped cutting, like you know what was that If you

885
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: don't let they're looking around or being wary and and

886
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: if you don't move and don't do anything sooner or

887
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: later want to get greeting start you know, cut of

888
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: hiccornut again and drop a little bit of another, so

889
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: well it must be fine that one, and so I'm

890
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: will start eating and they don't start eating again, and

891
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: you pick another one out and you could, like I said,

892
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: you could put some space in between the shots and

893
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: you could clean out an entire toree. And you know

894
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: that's that was the wordsmanship skilled part of it. And um,

895
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: today a lot of it seems like a lot of

896
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: hunters to get away from, you know, from the wordsmanship skills,

897
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: which is which is kind of silly. Yeah, it's interesting

898
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: that that that idea of working the tree like that.

899
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: It's sounds just like, uh, you know, I've been getting

900
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: the fly fish in the last half decade or something

901
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: the same thing, like work in a pool and start

902
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: at the back and work your way out because they're

903
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: facing upstream. Um, that's pretty interesting. You talked about how

904
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: when you're deer hunting, it feels like squirrel hunting should

905
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 1: be easy, you know, because you're seeing all over the place.

906
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: I feel like we get the same thing as deer hunters.

907
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: When you talked to a friend or family member who

908
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: doesn't deer hunt, and they're like, while you're out there

909
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: all the time, it seems so easy. I seen when

910
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: I drive to work every day, Right, I hate that. Yeah,

911
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: I think they could be. And a lot the start

912
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: of that one as a brother law or somebody was

913
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: a deer hunter and he's talking how lucid they were

914
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff and and wrong kind

915
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: of making fun because he didn't deer and the other

916
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: real lousive. You know, I've got head bites on and

917
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: blowing the horn and up doing up hitting one. But

918
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: it's it's a whole different ball game when you're you know,

919
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: in the in their environment and you know a lot

920
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: of people go like the state parks and stuff, and

921
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: I'll see the deer and the deer little walk right,

922
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: bim and whatnot, and you know, and they'll feed, but

923
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes find up somebody's hand and stuff. They think,

924
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: Manda's this deer and it's not hard at all. And

925
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, yeah, i'll tell you what comes in in

926
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: the mountains with me after about the first week a

927
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,479
Speaker 1: gun season and and talk to me about how easy

928
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: it is. It's a different different worlds and they're like,

929
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: you're in their environment. They've been hunted before. Yeah, a

930
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: whole different story. So speaking of that, then when this

931
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: episode is going to drop for the world to here,

932
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna be smack dab in the middle of what

933
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: probably most people consider to be the best hunting of

934
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: the entire year, right in the middle of that first

935
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 1: two weeks in November. Um, that period is still ahead

936
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 1: of you and me right now as we talk, though,

937
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: So what are you going to be doing over the

938
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks? What's your what's your planet? You

939
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: hunt at home and you're traveling? What are you got

940
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: in the store? I live in, like I said, in

941
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: south east Katucky, round in Tennessee, Kentucky one and um

942
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: Kentucky and Tennessee. And I'm gonna go up to Ohio

943
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: this year, and I gotta try up. There'st got some

944
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: proper people will go on in southern Ohio and think

945
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: about may possibly even going to uh southern Indiana, depending

946
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: on you know, how the other states and stuff go.

947
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: But you know, from now till January, I'm planning on

948
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: being in the woods as much as as much as

949
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: possible and as um farther rutting stuff goes. I think,

950
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: you know, there's a you know, the myths of you

951
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: know that Big Bucks just lose their minds and they're

952
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: out just chasing and then you know they're they're running

953
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: around everywhere. You know, there's a little bit of truth

954
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: to that, but I think sometimes people get uh, you know,

955
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 1: uh kind of a false idea about what what that entails.

956
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: You know, you're not just gonna flop out in the

957
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: woods and sit down and you know a monster buck

958
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: run right over top of you. And sometimes that does

959
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: happen on them. You always show the story about the

960
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: guy that hadn't scouted all years, didn't even want, you know,

961
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: the plan on hunting, and and well and caused all

962
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: his buddies decidety was gonna go go that and borrows

963
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: the gun or buy the gun at Walmart the night before,

964
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, and just and and sitting out there and

965
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: and and I just dropped him off anywhere. And he's

966
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: sitting out there and gets board, walks around or scientistical

967
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: back to the truck, you know, the warm up or

968
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: something and ends up shooting a boon a truck at buck.

969
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know that that can happen, you know,

970
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of factors. You know, they're big

971
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: bucks are definitely on the moves. You're seeing more daytime activity.

972
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: And then you've got the hunt pressure in the woods,

973
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: which is, you know, bucks that are normally nocturnal can

974
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: get bumped and jumped and ran right over top of somebody,

975
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, and and that does happen. But that, you know,

976
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: is pretty much luck. And I'll take luck, don't get

977
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: me wrong. But if you want to be consistent, you know,

978
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to you gonna have some

979
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: strategies and tactics, you know, for hunting or run. You

980
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: can't just go out there and hope for the best.

981
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: And you know, like buying a lottery ticket, you know

982
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't have that mentality that will get

983
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: your buck right now and then where if you do

984
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: it the right way, you know you can you can

985
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: get bucks season after seasons or in the rut. Yeah,

986
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: so would that be in the case then when your

987
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: rut hunts kick off here maybe today or soon in

988
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: the next few days or whatever it is. Um, what

989
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: do you what does that look like for you? Do

990
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: you go in and you know, are you thinking just

991
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: basically a right, I've got this property and hunting, and

992
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: I have got this many spots set up for certain

993
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: wind directions and you're just gonna check the wind and

994
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: do it or or what's on your mind right now

995
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: leading up to these next couple hunts. Well, I'm a

996
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: firm believer in um uh, you know, there's there's transitional

997
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: phases of the rut, and how you have the rut

998
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: depends on what transit, you know, what current transition that

999
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: you're in, and what the deer doing. And um, you know,

1000
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: some guys go out there and they find some you know,

1001
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: fresh scrapes and rugs and some hot sign and they

1002
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: throw a stand up or pop up the blind and

1003
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: that's where they're gonna hunt. And sometimes that works. Um,

1004
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: but I've learned, you know, over the years, I've kind

1005
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: of find two my tactics, you know, to meet each

1006
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: transitional phase, you know, activities going on like right now,

1007
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: I rank cameras this morning before I before I was

1008
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: talking to you here, and and um, I've seen, you know,

1009
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: we're going in. I've seen some scrapes that weren't there,

1010
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: you know a week ago, you know, with scrapes and

1011
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: rubs are starting to pop up and everything and and

1012
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: it's like I said, a good time to be in

1013
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: the woods. And what's going on right now, and its

1014
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: particular transitions what I call the it's the scouting and

1015
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: roaming stage. And what I mean by that is the

1016
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: mature bucks that are gonna be doing a lot of breeding.

1017
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: What they're doing right now, you know, they're obviously their

1018
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: territorial they're they're scraping, and they're rubbing, they're doing all that.

1019
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: But what they're doing and I've got like on one property,

1020
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: I've probably got um one of the locations on mine

1021
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: probably right now, I've got ten cameras out. And when

1022
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: I'm starting to see and I see this every year,

1023
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: it's about this time of year here in southeast Kentucky,

1024
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: what the bucks are doing. They're out scouting for those

1025
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: and when I'm they're going to the dough hotspots, are

1026
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: going to, you know, dough betting areas, dough feeding areas,

1027
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: the dough travel routes, that kind of stuff, and they're

1028
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: scouting when those dolls are at and when they find

1029
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: a hotspot place like that, they are usually they're gonna

1030
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: leave a big scrape. You know, they're gonna make some rubs,

1031
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: are gonna leave a scrape, and they're letting those does

1032
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: know that, Hey, you know I'm here, and they'll also

1033
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: go you routinually go through and check those and the

1034
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: dolls will go in and urinated and let them know

1035
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: that they're there even when they're not in hete. I mean,

1036
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: I've got I've got video and pictures right now of

1037
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: those urinate and you know, in in the scrape and

1038
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: some of the mock scrapes that I've made that you know,

1039
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: they're not in heat, you know, by no means, but

1040
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: they're just letting another you know that they're there. And

1041
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: there's I've got young bucks, you know, coming up and

1042
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: working you know, established scrapes and mock scrapes that I've maink.

1043
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: But while I talk about the scouting and roaming, we

1044
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: had one buck that um about two weeks ago. He

1045
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: was in a you know, a textbook feeding the bedding

1046
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: pattern and um, in Kentucky you can put out corn

1047
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: and you know, apples and stuff like that. It's legal

1048
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: to put that out here during deer season. And uh,

1049
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: there's a ton of acrons this year. And I had

1050
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: a spot that's down in the hollars, you know how

1051
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: the in and there's a lot of white oak and

1052
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: red oak and pin oak trees. And and how Sybio

1053
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: had some corn and stuff like that and had a

1054
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: camera over the feed and we had this deer coming

1055
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: in you know sometimes you know, right after dark, sometimes

1056
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: the middle and I you know are sometimes before we

1057
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: went back to bed and and every now and you

1058
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: had a little bit of daytime activity from it. But

1059
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 1: he was mainly feeding in bed. He's what he was doing.

1060
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: And about a week ago I started we started put

1061
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: that some mork scrapes and stuff on other cameras on

1062
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: this same property, and he was a good mile a

1063
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: half two miles from where we've been getting and uh,

1064
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: working on mark scrapes. And we had another mark scrape

1065
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: probably about a mile a half from there, and he

1066
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: was on it the same day, like two hours later,

1067
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: he was on it. And what he's doing is he's

1068
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: going around in those areas, he's working scrapes. He's letting

1069
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: those know he's there, and he's getting an idea where

1070
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: the those are gonna be at because he knows this.

1071
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: This isn't his first rodeo. You know, he's a veteran.

1072
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 1: He's probably a five or six year old buck, and uh,

1073
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: he knows that when the dose start coming into ansters.

1074
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: He's know whether they're going to be at and he'll

1075
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: make a milk run. And what I mean by that,

1076
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: he'll go to each spot, sit check and looking for

1077
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: those you know in those areas, and they'll go the

1078
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: next spot. He'll go the next spot till he finds one.

1079
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: And he finds one, he'll try to lock it down

1080
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: and breed and then he'll go right back again. He'll

1081
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: go on that that same you know, those same areas.

1082
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: He's just going to each area. It's kind of like

1083
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: a gobbler all the strut zone. You know they got

1084
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: they got strut zone. They'll hit one strut zone and

1085
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: they'll spit and drum and gobble and if they if

1086
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: the hens come to them, you know, they hook up

1087
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: or not, they'll go the next struts. I'm gonna do

1088
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: the same thing the bucks are kind of doing there

1089
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: in that mode right now, like they're they're scouting and

1090
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: romans and and looking for the area that you know

1091
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 1: when when the dig show starts, they're gonna know where

1092
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, what time period do you think that

1093
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: that scouting roaming period consists of, because right now we're

1094
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: talking on October, But when do you think that usually

1095
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: starts and stops, give or take. That's usually around the ear.

1096
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know I've seen it, you know

1097
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: another state's line. I'll find it the Illinois. I found

1098
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: in Kansas. I'm in a lot of the place and

1099
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: usually you know, the Midwest, and it's usually um towards

1100
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: the end of October, and they'll go away up to

1101
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 1: about the about the first week of November, and then

1102
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: the second week of Novembers when you start seeing a

1103
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: second phase around here, which is the you know they're

1104
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: they're they're cruising and and and I actually sent checking

1105
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: and looking for those to breed. You know that that

1106
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 1: stuff's going on. And then then you know, going into

1107
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: the chasing and breeding stage. Start ahead, go bug ahead.

1108
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, can you elaborate then on that

1109
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: second and third stage it a little bit more. Yeah,

1110
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: the the stage is wow. I used to breakdown. I've

1111
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: written ague stuff about you know, you've got the pre rut,

1112
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: which is the you know, the beginning there and uh,

1113
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 1: that's usually when season comes in and they're usually locked

1114
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 1: to a textbook feeding bedding pattern, that kind of stuff,

1115
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: going to watering hose and know it's a little bit

1116
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: warmer during that time, and then it'll transition into you know,

1117
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: get you up into October, and a lot of biologists

1118
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: and stuff refor to that is, uh, that period of

1119
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: it's a it's a late pre rut, but you also

1120
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: start seeing um, some activity that makes people think, oh

1121
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: my gosh, you know the ruts early this year. It's

1122
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: way early. You know, I hated that. Every year I

1123
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: get I can't tell you all, Like on Facebook, I

1124
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: get messages from people I don't even know, man, the

1125
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: ruts early this year. I see the buck chasing the

1126
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: dough and and they're not like you know, I mean

1127
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: as a hundred hundred you know, since I've been able

1128
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: to walk. You know, people I said, well, those guys

1129
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: are lying. They're not, but they're actually seeing some activity

1130
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: with the lots of what they're seeing. They're seeing the

1131
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: younger bucks, you know that that are they're wanting to breed.

1132
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: They're fired up, they're anxious. They don't just don't know

1133
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: what they're doing. They don't have a clue that those

1134
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: aren't an astor ship and they and they and you've

1135
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: seen it, you know yourself. You know hunting, you have

1136
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: three or four dolls out feeding, buying their own business.

1137
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: No sudden, you know, a spike or a little basket

1138
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: rack will come in and you see that they'll start

1139
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: getting nervous, you know, right off the bat. And he

1140
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: comes in, you seem he'll like bristle up and make

1141
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: a show one that he'll try to come up on

1142
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: one and and try to climb up on her, and

1143
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: she'll run off, and then and then she'll stop, and

1144
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: then and then they'll start feeding again. He'll feed a

1145
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: little bit, and he'll go to another one, try to it.

1146
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: And then sometimes you'll get on one and they'll chase

1147
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 1: them plumbat of the out of sight. You know that happens.

1148
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: But you know, those doughs aren't ready to breed. That's

1149
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: not a rut. He's not he's not breeding those doughs.

1150
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: But what does happen sometimes is biologists will tell you

1151
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: that the oldest dose in the herd will come in,

1152
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 1: you know, coming Estra's first, and a lot of times

1153
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: that is me October. And you actually see a mature

1154
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: buck on a you know, on a dog like that,

1155
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, pushing her or even breeding or whatever. And

1156
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: then people think, oh my gosh, you know the ruds early,

1157
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: but the rest of the majority of the herd, I'm

1158
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: not going to come in, you know, the asters until

1159
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: about the second week in November, aunty or now that

1160
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: I mean, And that's going to vary from state to state.

1161
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: You know, when you go south, you've got you know,

1162
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: it's way later than that. But you know, but around

1163
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: here about the second week in November all the way

1164
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: up to light November twenty five is when you know

1165
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: a lot of the breeding and stuff is going on.

1166
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: So so those bucks are once they're moving into that

1167
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: cruising phase, then they're starting to really hit those key

1168
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: dough areas just more often and more in daylight. What

1169
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: you're saying, yep, yep, yep. We got some of our

1170
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: I got a video, one video. I got several videos

1171
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: of the buck I was telling you about a few

1172
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: days ago on two of our Mark scrapes. And we

1173
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: usually put those cameras on video mode because I like

1174
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: the video model where your batteries down a lot quicker,

1175
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, and if it takes a lot longer to

1176
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: go through the videos. But when you put them on

1177
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: a Mark scrape like it, I mean, I love seeing

1178
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: I love I love watching that I love watching them,

1179
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: you know, walk up to and urinating the scrape, put

1180
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: the rack up in the old king branch and you know,

1181
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: lick on the branch, doesn't you know, bite off branches?

1182
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: Do you know? Work the thing and plus what that

1183
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: does that you know, pictures can be deceiving, you know,

1184
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: depending on how close the deer is to the camera,

1185
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: the lighting, the angle of that kind of stuff. Because

1186
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: you know Nel as well as I do. You know,

1187
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: in the past, you know, I'm sure you've got pictures

1188
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: before you think, man, I'm on a shooter. You know

1189
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: that that's a shooter. And then you get a couple

1190
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: of pictures a couple of days later, and you know

1191
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: it's the same deer, Like you don't have a you

1192
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: need crack like maybe a kicker on this G two

1193
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: and stuff. So you know it's the same deer. And

1194
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: you're thinking that there might need another year, right, that

1195
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: there might be a three or four year old, when

1196
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: I was thinking it was a five year old. And

1197
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: then you know, and then you see in person, then

1198
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: you then then you'll love. But with the video they

1199
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: come up, you would get all angles of the rack.

1200
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: You know you're getting on you know, with their head down,

1201
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: their head up sideways, and that you can you can

1202
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,479
Speaker 1: judge them a little better. And plus, like I said,

1203
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: just cool watching them watching them work those scrapes. My

1204
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: son last year, I think I was like him and

1205
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: him and he killed He kept one over the mock

1206
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: scrape that uh that we made, and um, it was

1207
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: awesome coming and and uh, he was wanting to shoot

1208
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: it right off the bat made him. I made him

1209
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: wait just a little bit because I wanted to get

1210
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,959
Speaker 1: that footage, you know, at work in the scrape. And

1211
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: and that's it's easy to say when you're running the camera,

1212
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: when you're buying the camera, you can say stuff like that,

1213
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: But when you're you know, you're behind the gun or

1214
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: behind the bow, it's a different different story. But he

1215
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: was patient. He let me get some good footage of it,

1216
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: and he knocked in the nerds. So um, like right now,

1217
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm fired up. You know, I wish

1218
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: I was in the woods. I'm having to work today,

1219
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: and um, I wanted to take some time to talk

1220
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: to you, and I go go right back to work

1221
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: and get everything done. I'll try to I'll try to

1222
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: take some time off, you know, our gun season comes

1223
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: in here the second Saturday November. I try to take

1224
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: some time off, you know, during that time, hunt my

1225
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: son and my dad ands I'm I'm excited about it,

1226
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: but I thought the being the wood right now, right

1227
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: now is one of my favorite times to be in

1228
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: the woods. UM for the next few weeks. UM this

1229
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: scattering the Roman stage I was telling you about, you can,

1230
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: They're really territorial during that that period you're starting semi

1231
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: more daytime activity and going back to these transitional phases.

1232
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: I try to adjust my tactics and my setups, my

1233
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: strategies to that, you know, the current phases and that

1234
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: that we're in and like right now, you know, I'll

1235
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: use mark scrapes, I'll hunt over existing scrapes. UM. You can.

1236
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: You can, you know, you can be versatile, lookin on

1237
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: what kind of situation stuff you're in, and you can

1238
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: you can go all out and and and you know,

1239
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: hit them with tactics that attack all three senses, which

1240
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,479
Speaker 1: I like doing, you know, tacking their eyes or nose

1241
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: in their ears. And and one way of doing that

1242
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: is you can take our nose we know, with sense

1243
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: and stuff and take her years with calling and tacked

1244
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: their eyes with a decoy. Um. I've used um like

1245
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: up in Illinois and especially Illinois it's a good state

1246
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: to deco. And I've used decoys are in here too.

1247
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: You know during the boat season. I don't do that

1248
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: much turn the gun seasons will get shot season to

1249
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: somebody come in and it looked like Swiss cheese or

1250
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: decoys when they get done with it. But I kind

1251
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: of like, you know, by one, you know, you can

1252
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: get away with that. I'll put a I'll put a

1253
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: buck decoy out and and uh they're you know and

1254
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: marking mox scrape and and put some um some chartial

1255
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: glance in and dominant buck urine and and um. If

1256
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing anything, I may I'm even blind called

1257
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: a little bit to a you know, a couple of

1258
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: agitated you know grunts or smort waves or something like that.

1259
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: An't get one to you know, to come in that

1260
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: decoy idea what time or which phases of the rut

1261
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: are you trying? That? Is that just uh, you know

1262
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: roaming and scouting time period? Is that like you you've

1263
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: gotta you need to match your That's a good question.

1264
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: You need to try to match my decoy set ups.

1265
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: My calling tactics everything to go like like I said,

1266
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: like the current transition, like right now, you know, a

1267
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: single buck decoy, like an intruder buck decoy is a

1268
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: good tactic to use, and I'll use it over the

1269
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: next you know, the next couple of weeks and um um,

1270
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: you can put them out and and and and you know,

1271
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: and just kind of get a feel for what the

1272
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: they're doing. I mean, if if you see them, if

1273
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: you're starting to get some day to my activity bucks

1274
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: working an existing scrape or a mark scrape during the

1275
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: day and that kind of stuff, and there you can

1276
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: see their nexts are swelled up. I mean you can

1277
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: see a big difference. I mean, like a couple of

1278
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: weeks ago, you know they look normal. Now they look

1279
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: like monsters. I mean they're two and three year old

1280
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: bucks are looking like they're you know, they're next and

1281
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: stuff for NFL line and they're huge and they're swelled

1282
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: up and they're just like, you know, look like different

1283
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: animals now and you know their territorial it's what they're

1284
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: and you can key and on that exploited if you

1285
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: if you do it right. But I'll use a I'll

1286
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: use a button and not all the time. I mean,

1287
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: I'm not saying every time I go out and set up,

1288
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: I'm attacking all three. You know, in the right situations,

1289
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: I'll take a buck be coy and and like I said,

1290
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: I'll use some dominant buck heren and and um some

1291
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: tarsal gland and stuff like that and and uh and

1292
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: just see what happens, and occasionally hit him with some

1293
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: some column things is you know, just do some like

1294
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: agitated grunts. And another good tactic is one you can

1295
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: do uh with that that same scenario, you can do

1296
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: a grunt and rub and what I mean by that,

1297
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: you can take an antler. Um. You know, if everybody's

1298
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: got most people got sheds and stuff, take a shed

1299
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: antler and and when you get their things set up,

1300
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: especially during the long periods where you're not seeing a

1301
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: whole lot of action and stuff. And sometimes if the

1302
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: if the deers within earshot, you can you can take

1303
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: that antler and you can rub it on a Samplin tree,

1304
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: rub it and do a couple of agitated grunts. Rub

1305
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: it again, you know, And and and it's all about realism.

1306
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, deers here and a lot of

1307
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people go out and and they've watched

1308
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: the outdoor channel. They've seen a guy rattling them in

1309
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: of Texas, and they'll go out and they rattle like

1310
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: cray easy and they do this and do that, and

1311
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: they're they're you know, they're doing it way too much

1312
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: and way too loud, and and they're not seeing a

1313
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: whole lot of wonder. Well, heck, that worked on TV,

1314
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: but it didn't work here. Well, you've gotta match your

1315
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: calling tacttes is the current transition. So what I'm saying

1316
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: like this this rub and um, this scrunt and rub tactic,

1317
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it'll work because that's what they're doing right now.

1318
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: Their territories. They're making rubs and they've they've got their

1319
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: quarries established, like you know, this is my domain. This

1320
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: is where I'm gonna be breeding that. These are my dolls.

1321
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: You know, let's have the dominant bucks looking at it.

1322
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: And if you went in there and worked his scrape

1323
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: or made a mark scrape in his area, and then

1324
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: he's within the near show and he may be you know,

1325
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: bedded down, and he hear you in there grunt and

1326
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: going on and making a rub and stuff that that

1327
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: ticks him off he doesn't like that, you know, and

1328
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: they'll they'll come in. I I killed one. Um, it's

1329
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: probably been three or four years ago. It rant on

1330
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: the Night and Hill Show on out Door Channel, and

1331
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: it was here in the mountains and we got in

1332
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: there as the evening hunt is about this time of

1333
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: year out here, and the buck we had on camera

1334
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: was completely nocturnal. I mean, he was just he was

1335
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: a ghost. I mean I had, like I said, I

1336
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: had ten eleven cameras out and you know, had him

1337
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: pretty much paid where he was bed and had his

1338
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: stage in area where he was feeding that at his

1339
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: travel rail. I knew all that stuff, but we just

1340
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: won't get a whole of the daytime activity. And then

1341
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,439
Speaker 1: he started showing up some during the day and working

1342
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: on Marks Grave when he was out you know, like

1343
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: I said, he was at Romans Scount looking for those

1344
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: and I knew that was the time I could capitalize on,

1345
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, take advantage of it. So we got Litree

1346
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,439
Speaker 1: and I The anny thing is we got in there,

1347
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: the cameraman and I and UM, there was a there

1348
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: was an already a couple of those. It was one

1349
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: of those cloudy, overcast days and I had to work,

1350
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: but I got in there early. I mean I left

1351
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: work a little early and got into a three thirty.

1352
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: You know, you know, they were already in there, and

1353
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: uh so we had to sit there and wait, you know,

1354
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: for them to kind of kind of feed out. And

1355
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: I had, luckily, I had had the camera that the

1356
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: wires camera sends the pictures to your phone, which was

1357
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: cool because I knew before going down in there if

1358
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: there was any deer in there. He had the camera

1359
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: facing towards the double set stands, and you know, I

1360
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: had a pretty good idea of with any deer you know,

1361
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: in that area and and and we could see those

1362
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: those so we basically just let them feed on out

1363
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: and left and uh so we smuckle that in there,

1364
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: didn't bump any deer guy in the stand and got

1365
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: everything got set up and just perfectly and co front

1366
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,919
Speaker 1: coming in overcast, cloudy, I mean, just you know, deer

1367
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: hunter's dream got in there, and we had a couple, um,

1368
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: we had a couple of basketbacks come in and you know,

1369
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,479
Speaker 1: they were coming in and they were seeing a little

1370
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: bit and they were and then they got too close

1371
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: to see their next bist or up and they they'd

1372
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: lock up and push each other. They weren't like fighting

1373
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: violently or anything like that. They just push you due

1374
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: back and forth, and that all that stuff was going on,

1375
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: and uh, we see them on that to join everything.

1376
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: And at that time the hulla blow us a cow

1377
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: comes up and those deer lost their minds. I mean

1378
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: they blew and they ran right down into the area

1379
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: with a buck that we were hunting where he was

1380
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: generally been betting at. So you know that that could

1381
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: have messed up the entire hunt because I know they

1382
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: ran about a top of them. They were blow in

1383
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: every few minutes. I was like, oh my gosh, you know, like, man,

1384
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: that's that's a perfect thing. And that's even right before

1385
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: a co front, I know, I mean just had it

1386
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: my guy. I knew he was gonna probably come out

1387
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: and give us a shot. And out here these jokers

1388
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: are down everybody. I'm just going crazy. And um, what

1389
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: I've learned though a long a long time ago hunting

1390
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: and as I've seen, like we was talked to, when

1391
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 1: these a lot of these young bucks chase those and

1392
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: they're not ready to breed, those dolls will will blow

1393
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: luck that you know, when they're being harassed and aggravated.

1394
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: And I've seen them blow lup, you know, just like

1395
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: they would if they've they've seen something they didn't like,

1396
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: or they you know, they picked up human sing or colley,

1397
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: since they do that, but occasionally do it because of that.

1398
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: So I did that. I blew like a duck with

1399
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: my mouth, you know, back where he's at. I mean,

1400
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: I did it like a little young buck tending grunt.

1401
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: You know. I've got a grunt call that I can adjust,

1402
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, sound like a young bucks, sound like a doze,

1403
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: sound like a you know, mature buck or whatever. And

1404
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: I did like a little young buck tendon grunt, you know,

1405
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: and like he was a asser. And by that you're

1406
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 1: just saying, like about you, it's kind of it's kind

1407
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: of it's more of a nasally type grunt. You know.

1408
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: It doesn't have that day to have that base to it,

1409
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: you know, but you can tell us a book and

1410
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: and uh, I did that, and it wasn't I've got

1411
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: a list off him. This is not just some you know,

1412
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: just some some un story. I mean, this all happened

1413
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: and it ran out that door. We were sitting there

1414
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: and I had a young cameraman at the time, and

1415
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: and uh, he was crazy about deer hunt and he'd

1416
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: killed some deer, but he had never you know, he

1417
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 1: was always an impression his day and granted a hunter

1418
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: around here. And and you know, people just didn't call

1419
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, because you just call them what.

1420
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: They didn't think Colin was very effective and all that

1421
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And and a lot of them it

1422
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: seemed to you know, the shows on TV with the

1423
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: Hunt Texas ner Rattle and you were just running for

1424
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: every direction and they tried to hear it didn't work.

1425
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: So they just said, how call it doesn't work here?

1426
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: And Colin does work. Colin works everywhere. You know, your

1427
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: vocal everywhere. It's just you're just gonna match what, you know,

1428
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,040
Speaker 1: what they're doing at the time we're calling. And of

1429
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: what happened was we're sitting up there and he said,

1430
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: why why did you do that? You know, he's whispering

1431
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: using the standing by me, and I told myself, thought

1432
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: to take right after that, I'll take what I was done,

1433
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: you know. So he was there and thinking, you know what,

1434
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: what was he doing that? And um, all of a

1435
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: sudden down in the holloway or you know, deep at

1436
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: deep pitch and he goes, he goes. He his eyes

1437
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: got I mean bigger of saucers. He said, if you

1438
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: said you take up with somebody somebody called a grut

1439
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: cause and no, that's that's not that's not somebody, that's

1440
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's a that's the buck. And that's

1441
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: the right where he beat at those bucks that just

1442
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: had ran down there. Only and um, he could hear

1443
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 1: we start hend stick. It was dry at starting sticks

1444
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: breaking here and that Steady walk, I mean he was

1445
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,600
Speaker 1: just he come in all stiff flag like Frankenstein, you know,

1446
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: all stiff legged, bristled up mad. I mean he was.

1447
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: He was mad and I could literally hear my camera

1448
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: and breathing. I mean he was, I mean he was

1449
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: in the stand above me. But he was just so

1450
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: fired because he never heard a bug be vocal and

1451
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: and it's Stuart was before he got up there, he'd

1452
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: never heard by Bucks noort Ways before, so he's seen

1453
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: it on TV and that kind of stuff. But when

1454
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: he heard that, I mean he was just he was

1455
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: just about to lose his mind. And so it comes

1456
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 1: up there after smort Ways, Steady walked up there, hit

1457
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: my marks great wore it out. We got footage of

1458
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: it just wearing the mark scraped out. You know, it's

1459
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 1: pollen and dirt's gots rack up in the Reagan branch

1460
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: bit and stuff. It's your and I mean it's awesome,

1461
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: just just I mean, just beautiful footage. And it comes

1462
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: on that from Mark straight who comes over right her

1463
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: most of the calling and right into one of my

1464
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: shoot lanes and I was all right at full drawing

1465
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,719
Speaker 1: and I smacked it. I mean he watched it fault

1466
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: inside of the staying. It read about forty yards and

1467
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: you know, piled up. But um, that hunt would in

1468
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: my opinion, you know, it's sometimes it's hard to say

1469
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 1: what would happen, what wouldn't have happened. But in my opinion,

1470
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: if I hadn't done the calling there, I don't think

1471
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: that buck would have come out after dark. I think

1472
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: it would have been thinking, you know, a predator jumped

1473
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: those those young bucks made him better on it. But

1474
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 1: there was something there was possibly something drew up there.

1475
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:02,719
Speaker 1: If he was going to go through it had probably

1476
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: been after doorter. But I think when he heard that

1477
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: he heard them doing that and he heard the uh

1478
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: probably got him alarmed. And then when he heard me

1479
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: do the you know that ten and grunt and then me,

1480
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: do you know, I'll blow in my mouth, you know,

1481
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 1: right when he was doing that, when I was doing

1482
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: the tenor grunt, I think he was convinced at a

1483
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: buck it might have been a little bit bigger than

1484
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: the two that ran in on top of him. Was

1485
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: up there head ran them off, and them was up

1486
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,759
Speaker 1: there harassing that though, And that's what I think he thought,

1487
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: and he was gonna go up there and let him

1488
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: know who who the boss was. Yeah, So what about

1489
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you mentioned the fact that calling can be

1490
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: effective if it's done, you know, at the right times

1491
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: to match the right time of year or situation. So

1492
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: what about some of the other typical calls we're thinking of,

1493
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: like a snort, wheez or donast something like that. When's

1494
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: the right to something like I'm trying to me in

1495
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: the ruption. What what I'll do right now is we're

1496
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: doing this territory or scout in the Roman stage, I'll

1497
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: do some of the agitated grunts, little deep grunts. I'll

1498
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: do that grunt and rug technique I was telling you about,

1499
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: and um and stuff like that, and the snort ways. Um.

1500
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: I usually don't do UM until I see a buck.

1501
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 1: And if I see a buck and it's at a

1502
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: bow range and it's going the opposite direction or you know,

1503
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: it's going away from me, I might already say I'm

1504
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: not going to get a shot. I'll hit him with

1505
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: the stort ways of the short ways of tricky votivation.

1506
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: You can do it sometimes. And a buck or coming

1507
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 1: there wanting to I mean just bristled up, wanting to

1508
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: wanting to fight the world, And you can do it

1509
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: other times. And a buck that's been whipped and stuff,

1510
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 1: and maybe a mature buck and may even be a

1511
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: shooter buck, but if it's been whipped before or or

1512
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, bucks are just like people. You know, You've

1513
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 1: got some people that you know you look in the

1514
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: wrong way, they're ready to fight you. And you've got

1515
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: other people that will go ten miles out of the

1516
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: way to avoid any kind of confrontation, you know, and

1517
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: and deer and stuff with the or the same way,

1518
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: especially once we've been with so I've seen dear you know,

1519
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: respond to short ways where they come in fired up,

1520
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: wanting to want to rock. And I've seen them where

1521
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: they you know, We're made them weary and they steal.

1522
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,680
Speaker 1: They've come in, but they're kind of weary about you know,

1523
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: where's this buck added at the buck that's already with me?

1524
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: You know that kind of deal. I've seen them goes

1525
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,640
Speaker 1: the other way, you know, you know with it. So

1526
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: I'll use the short ways. You know, if I in

1527
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: a situation where the buck's going away and I'm not

1528
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: gonna get a shot, you know, and and I'll hit

1529
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 1: them with that, and you know, sometimes it will turn around,

1530
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: and you know sometimes it won't. But the but this

1531
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: time here with my colleing saple is, I'll do that

1532
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: that that grunt and rub techniques I've told you about earlier.

1533
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 1: I'll do the some agitated grunts and I will do

1534
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: a snort ways, you know, depending on you know, the situation.

1535
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,879
Speaker 1: And if it's in a situation like I thought about earlier,

1536
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 1: you know where a young bucks around, do a young

1537
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,639
Speaker 1: buck ten and grunt and then do a dog blow,

1538
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: you know, like she's being a rasp bomb, you know,

1539
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: I'll do that sometimes. It just depends on what you know,

1540
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: what the situation is. But those are kind of calls

1541
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: I'll use on that now. Later on when I'm starting

1542
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: to see that, you know, going to the actual breeding

1543
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: transition of the rut, and I'm starting to see bucks chasing,

1544
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, mature bucks, not the basket wraps with up

1545
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: with mature bucks actually you know, you know on doze

1546
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: and you know they're they're they're if you see breeding

1547
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: activity or then you know walking mind on pushing the

1548
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: dough or and actually breeding a dough, and I'll switch

1549
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: it up and that time I'll do more of the

1550
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 1: uh astrastoe bleeds and stuff like that, and uh the

1551
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: tend on the situation till on the bucks doll ratio

1552
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: in that area, I may even um, you know, during

1553
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: a long period, I may do a dominant buck tending

1554
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,799
Speaker 1: grunt you know, louder grown you know them than tending

1555
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: the dough, pushing the dough and and and do the

1556
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: astrastoe bleeds and maybe it mix up a little rattling

1557
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: and fighting what they have because you know, bucks are

1558
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: still territorial whatnot and if they I mean how many

1559
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,560
Speaker 1: times I've I've watched it on that door channel and

1560
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: I've seen it in first and I know you have

1561
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: to where you've got a buck chasing the dough and

1562
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: he's grunting, he's chasing and whatnot, and he's a pretty

1563
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 1: good looking buck. And another bucks that with the near

1564
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: shop heard that and here he comes in, you know,

1565
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: and sometimes he'll doing up with that buck and chaser,

1566
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: and sometimes those two bucks will fight each other. And

1567
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: that's a common scenario that happens. So you might do

1568
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: a tendon grunt and you know, into an astro stop

1569
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 1: bleeding into a agitated gun. That too some potting, you know,

1570
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: because that that's a snare that could happen. You know,

1571
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: bucks come in there there was a buck chasing a

1572
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: though he was on or and a more dombined buck

1573
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: come in and you know, confront of them and they

1574
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: broke it into the thought. So you can you know,

1575
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: you can mix it up. Now, what about rattling, because

1576
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: that's another one of those calling tactics, And I like

1577
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 1: the fact that a lot of your calling ideas revolver

1578
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: on trying to make a realistic scenario, you know, with

1579
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 1: the rubbie, the tree and everything. When you're rattling, do

1580
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: you do the same kind of thing? I know some

1581
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: guys that will put rattley antlers on a rope and

1582
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: banging around down on the ground so that rustles and

1583
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: the leaves or shake a tree or do you do

1584
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: anything like that. Yeah, I'll tell you what they do,

1585
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: and I'll probably some people listen. It's probably laugh at

1586
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:48,799
Speaker 1: me for doing it. And I'm sure some of cameraman

1587
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: folks humors when I've done it until actually a buck

1588
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: comes in after I do it. And it's all about realism.

1589
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the same time of turkey calling everything else.

1590
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to sound real. I mean, just

1591
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: got sound like a real scenario. And sometimes like when

1592
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm doing it, you know, going back to the tender

1593
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: grunt and and you know, an astrastow bleat if I'm

1594
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: sitting there, you know, uh, and I'm not seeing a

1595
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: whole lot and loker or not and a lot going on.

1596
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 1: And sometimes especially if I'm going off the ground, and

1597
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: you could do it the tree stand tube, but just

1598
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 1: it's a little bit more risky trying to get back

1599
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: up in the tree if I'm in a blind and

1600
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 1: in an area where I think that they're that you're

1601
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: a pretty good distance from me, where I've got time

1602
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 1: to get back in the trail too, is uh, I've

1603
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: got like one one of the drunk calls I use.

1604
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: It's got the it's kind of a dampture on where

1605
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: you can you can adjust the vocalizations. You can go

1606
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 1: from like I said, a young buck to a dough

1607
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 1: bleat astros dowbleat to a dominant buck runt. And it's

1608
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 1: kind of tube. You can do a snort waves on it.

1609
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 1: You can do all that. So what the snails I'll

1610
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: do is I'll I'll actually, especially when it's dry, I'll

1611
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 1: get out and I'll just do a tend to go up,

1612
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: this light tend and grunt and nasally go up, and

1613
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm moving with it. And I'll move and I'll be

1614
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: breaking sticks. I'm trying to make some noise. I'm I'm

1615
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: going through the waves just like you would. You would

1616
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, you would hear if it was actually going on,

1617
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: and do an astros do bleed and they do it.

1618
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: And and if they're sitting there at therenthing air shot,

1619
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 1: they can hear that that calls moving. The bucks can

1620
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: get call shot I just like turkeys or anything else can.

1621
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: But when they're hearing a lot of times may have

1622
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: been called to. The calling is coming from the same

1623
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: exact spot. And just like a Turkey. If you make

1624
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 1: a call, they've ten pointed almost. It's eerie how how

1625
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: they can pimple exactly where you where you called from.

1626
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 1: The bucks are the same way. I mean, they can

1627
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 1: pimpoint exactly what that call is coming from. And if

1628
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 1: it's moving and stuff and they're hearing, you know, leaves

1629
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 1: ruffle and sticks break, and you're trotting, you know, like

1630
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: a deer. That that sounds. That sounds realistic. And a

1631
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 1: lot of times I've done that and then get back

1632
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 1: in you know, get back in my blunt or or

1633
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I'm not but I'm just sitting on

1634
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: the ground and got a makeshift blind, you know, lat

1635
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 1: up around me or come out in a tree and

1636
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 1: you do that. And it's crazy how how fact of

1637
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 1: that can be. I mean, it really can work. And

1638
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I did it with my

1639
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: my son. He was feeling me and he said, the

1640
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 1: head he said, you know what, he said, it's crazy,

1641
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: he said, But if if you know, if I closed

1642
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: my eyes that stuff was going on, he said, I

1643
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 1: would have been sure that that was actually a buck

1644
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: chasing the dough. He s because it sounded, you know,

1645
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 1: so real, you know, with the lead and all that

1646
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: stuff moving and the same thing with that, that grunt

1647
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: and rub tactic I'm telling you about. I mean, you

1648
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: get real antler going up against a sapling tree and

1649
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: you're scraping it and the and if it's got leaves

1650
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: on it and and it's shaking and going on, and you

1651
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 1: stop a little bit and drun a little bit and

1652
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,520
Speaker 1: put some time between the do it again. That sounds realistic.

1653
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: I mean that's something that they don't hear every day

1654
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 1: unless it's the real thing. So I think that, you know,

1655
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: the more you can add realism to your you know,

1656
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: to your set up, the better, the better off the

1657
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 1: odds or be that you you know, you get a shot. Yeah,

1658
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 1: I really I really like that. That's that's something not

1659
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: a lot of people take to that level, but it

1660
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 1: sure makes a lot of sense. Um, I'm gonna amit.

1661
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: You feel kind of goofy there, you know, trotting for

1662
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 1: relk and you're trying to sound like a deer. You know,

1663
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: you're trotting around and and and and stuff and and

1664
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: and you're thinking out I must look pretty you know,

1665
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: pretty silly right now. But it I mean it sounds real.

1666
01:17:58,080 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you can you know, I've got it on

1667
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: video of us doing it. And and if you if

1668
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: you not looking at me, and you know, turn your

1669
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: head and you can you know here, you would think

1670
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 1: that that's actually what's going on. I mean that there's

1671
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: a buck chasing chasing. That was the same thing with

1672
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: the rattling. I mean a lot of people just break

1673
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 1: out bamplers or break out the rattle bag whatever they

1674
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: got and just start, you know, going crazy. And sometimes

1675
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 1: that works. But what I do with when when I

1676
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: write or you know, he's asking about the rattling and

1677
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:26,600
Speaker 1: I got off on another. But what do you do

1678
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 1: on the when I rattled? Well, I'll start it out,

1679
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, like a real scenario. I'll do an agitated

1680
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 1: just a deep buck grunt, grel real, you know, real

1681
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 1: real deep with some base to it. And then I

1682
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: may and I'll turn my head work because it's come

1683
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: from a nether direction. Just the vocalization on the grunt

1684
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: they've been doing, you know, another buck grunt, and the

1685
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: sounds a little bit different. There's two bucks coming there

1686
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: and they've seen each other and they know grunt that

1687
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: each other like hey, you better, I'm here, you better

1688
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 1: get out of here and the other one's doing the

1689
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 1: same thing, and then I'll hit a snort wee's you know,

1690
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: do that with them and if they and well that

1691
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: that bucks respond to another but coming up and then

1692
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, I might do that as state relics coming

1693
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 1: towards them and they start with the you know, with

1694
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 1: the with the rattling you know, make makes noise and

1695
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: stuff tend to lead it up to that, and I

1696
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: just start out, you know, rattling. And I'm not saying

1697
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:15,640
Speaker 1: just turn arounto doesn't work because it will depend on

1698
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 1: the scenario. But I always try to create as a

1699
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: realistic calling scenarios I can that you know, it sounds

1700
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: like the sounds like the real thing. That seems like,

1701
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, I have better results when when I when

1702
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: I do that, and it's not I mean, it's not

1703
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 1: like on TV. You know people say it don't TV,

1704
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 1: especially now Texas, you know, because the deer you know,

1705
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 1: I've seen people just it just blows my mind. I

1706
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 1: remember the kid and the Outdoor cham Force came out

1707
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,560
Speaker 1: watching some of these shows in Texas, you know, and

1708
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 1: being from Kentucky, I never have been the Texas or

1709
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 1: anything like that, and that those guys walk out there,

1710
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: and the s Darrow's and they crash thees big antwers

1711
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 1: together and just bucks are just coming running in from

1712
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: everywood direction like he's ringing a dinner bell or something.

1713
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:52,679
Speaker 1: I was thinking, my gosh, I gotta get a set

1714
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 1: of you know, of a rattling I gotta get out

1715
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 1: there and do that. And then you go out there

1716
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 1: and do it, and you do it the wrong time

1717
01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 1: of year, you don't do it right, or you do

1718
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 1: it too much, and and you don't have the wind right,

1719
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 1: you don't, you know, you don't, your setups not right

1720
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: and stuff, and it doesn't work. Then you get you

1721
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 1: start losing confidence that well maybe the dear, myer, they

1722
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 1: just aren't you know, they just don't respond to the columns.

1723
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:12,799
Speaker 1: I hear that a lot of round here in these mountains,

1724
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: because I say, you know, this ain't this ain't kids,

1725
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,759
Speaker 1: this ain't Illinois. You these deers don't, dear, don't respond.

1726
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm sure of thinking, well, you

1727
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 1: you just not done it right, I mean, and it's

1728
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: not gonna work every time, you know, I mean, it's

1729
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: like anything else. I mean, every time you hit a deer,

1730
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 1: call you know, Doon and Crocus, I gonn run up

1731
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: there and jump in your lay up. It just you know,

1732
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 1: it just doesn't work that way. I don't care if

1733
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 1: you're hunting Illinois or Texas or wherever. It just doesn't

1734
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: work that way. But if you if you can match

1735
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 1: their vocalizations with the current transition and add realism to

1736
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:43,600
Speaker 1: your call, and Colum can work. I don't care what

1737
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: states are, you don't care where your hunting. Okay, how

1738
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: much hunt pressure as there is, you know it'll it'll work.

1739
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 1: And I know that from fact, and and I've got

1740
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 1: the video to prove it. And you know I've got

1741
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: hunt after hunt after hunt. You know, when I'm public

1742
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 1: laying areas and and private only, it doesn't know that

1743
01:20:58,640 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 1: man ors. I mean, if you if you've done it

1744
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 1: right in a situation's right. You know, they definitely probably

1745
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:05,600
Speaker 1: dearer vocal, no matter what states they're living in and

1746
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 1: how much pressure it is. Dear or vocal. I mean,

1747
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 1: that's just how it is. Yeah, it's interesting. It's one

1748
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 1: of those things that, like you said, a lot of

1749
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 1: people probably give up after trying a handful of times

1750
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: and not getting the response. But I feel like a

1751
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: good response rate to calls, I mean one out every

1752
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 1: every ten times maybe is what's honestly gonna happen. But

1753
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: usually that when you get that one positive response, it's

1754
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 1: it's so worth the ten other times trying or the

1755
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: night other times. Right, so it's it's worth the right thing,

1756
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 1: you know, the young man, do you know when you're

1757
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 1: you're staying on your out and girl, if you just

1758
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, put the first pretty girl and hit on

1759
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 1: a little bit and she blew you off and and

1760
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: rejected you, you know, what do you do? You just

1761
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: go home and quit. Forevery never hit on another girl.

1762
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not how it works. I mean, you know,

1763
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 1: don't you know what everybody's ratio the grants, racial is

1764
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: different on that. But I mean, you know, you've just

1765
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: got to keep doing it till till it works. Unfore

1766
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,640
Speaker 1: you got to do sometimes I'm not setting saying, you know,

1767
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 1: climb up in your stand or climate your w to

1768
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: just sit there on a call the entire time you're

1769
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 1: out there, you're probably not going great results. But I

1770
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: mean colin can be a super effective way to generate shot.

1771
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 1: Like you said, the you know, one out of ten

1772
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: times if it worked at one at ten times it

1773
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 1: was well worth, but I thought that it didn't absolutely.

1774
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 1: I mean, so let's let's rewind the tape a little bit. Um.

1775
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 1: So we've talked about how to call to deer, you know,

1776
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: when you're at the right time of year, in the

1777
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 1: right places. But let's rewind back to getting in the

1778
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 1: right places again. We we we talked a little bit about,

1779
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: you know, especially in this kind of seeking or scouting

1780
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: and roaming phase first part of November, first couple of weeks,

1781
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 1: maybe these deer are going from dough hot spot to

1782
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 1: do hot spout check in to see if they're ready

1783
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: to breed. Um. You hear about this a lot. I mean,

1784
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: if anyone's read or listen to any talk about the rut.

1785
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 1: You hear about dough betting areas, you hear about funnels, um,

1786
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 1: and then you hear about one other thing, which is

1787
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 1: dear crazy during the right you can't pattern them. But

1788
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: what I hear you say, well, they're going back to

1789
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 1: hot spot to hot spot to hot spot. That makes

1790
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 1: me think maybe you can pattern um a little. So.

1791
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm curious about your thoughts on that because

1792
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: I've I definitely have some thoughts with chatted with a

1793
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 1: few folks that have pointed to some recent studies that

1794
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 1: show there's a little bit of pattern rble behavior. But

1795
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:18,799
Speaker 1: what have you seen. What do you think about patterning

1796
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,839
Speaker 1: deer during the run? Yeah, you you definitely can patternger

1797
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: during the run. I mean, and there is truth that there.

1798
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 1: It is chaotic. I mean, the truth of the matter

1799
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 1: is I'll use this example before, is that if a

1800
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 1: dough it's an eat, and she's got a mature buck

1801
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: on her and she decided to walk across a crowded

1802
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 1: Walmart park a lot on Saturday morning. If she goes

1803
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 1: across that park a lot, he's gonna go with her.

1804
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: That's what gets them killed this time of year, knowing

1805
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 1: by others, what gets them killed on the road and

1806
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: everything else. Wherever that dough goes, he's gonna go. That's

1807
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: you know, that's how it works. And you said, well,

1808
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: how do you know how can you pattern that? Well,

1809
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 1: you pattern what we just talked about. You need to

1810
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 1: go to those spots, you need to run trail cameras

1811
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 1: and more of those. It's I guess it's kind of

1812
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 1: it's great, but it's kind of accursed because like right now,

1813
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you. My phone's vibrated. My cell phone

1814
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: has about I'm on the land line and my cell

1815
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: phone vibrate about six times. Let me know what. I've

1816
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: got pictures right now. They're there in front of one

1817
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 1: of my my trail cameras. And and that's keeping me

1818
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 1: up late at night because I hear my phone vibrated

1819
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 1: three in the morning, I'll jump up. It's like a

1820
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: kid at Christmas or see what you know in front

1821
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 1: of the camera. Sometimes it's coons, sometimes it's you know there,

1822
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, and sometimes something else. But going back to

1823
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: what I was saying, you use those wireless cameras and stuff,

1824
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 1: and in real time you can know what's going on,

1825
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, in real time, like if you get, uh,

1826
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, Buck's going to a certain area one of

1827
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 1: those no hot spots and you know mid morning or whatnot,

1828
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: and you need to you need to try to hunt

1829
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 1: mid morning at that place. That's when he when he's

1830
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 1: going through there. Now, what won't be paid was that

1831
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 1: if he could when he goes to those spots like he,

1832
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 1: like David Hell used to say, you know, like God

1833
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 1: was making the milk run and Bucks making the milk run.

1834
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 1: Along with me by that they're they're going to those

1835
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 1: spots this spot and if they don't don't get there,

1836
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: they're going to the next spot then because they're going

1837
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 1: to the next spot. And the pot is that you

1838
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 1: can't pattern is if they go to one of those

1839
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: spots and they get all of though, you know, that's

1840
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: actually ready to breed. And he, you know, he's gonna

1841
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 1: go with her, and and a lot of times he'll

1842
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 1: try to get her. He'll try to you know, corral

1843
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 1: and push her away from high traffic areas so he

1844
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 1: won't be interrupted by I know, the buck. We have

1845
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 1: any competition, he'll try to get he'll try to push

1846
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 1: her a little bit, but I mean, you know, that's

1847
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 1: gonna mind her own. And she decides to go left,

1848
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 1: and he's wanted to go right. He can't persuade her

1849
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 1: and kind of push her to go right, and she

1850
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: ends up gonna left. He's gonna go with her, and

1851
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,760
Speaker 1: you know, and and some dose they'll they'll make the

1852
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 1: buck work for it. They'll make them, you know, from

1853
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 1: a piece and and and and you know, and get

1854
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: them rended up and then you know, then they'll breed

1855
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 1: with them. So you know, the mind of the dough.

1856
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 1: You don't know which way she's gonna go, you know

1857
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. But what you depart that you can

1858
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: pattern is the areas that he's gonna be looking forward

1859
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 1: those and after he after he gets with the dough

1860
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 1: and he's pushed her off and he's bred or you know,

1861
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 1: several times when he gets done, he's gonna go and

1862
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 1: look for another dough So he's gonna go those same

1863
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 1: spots again. And it's all that time. And so if

1864
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: you can be in those areas, and trail camps can't

1865
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 1: help you on that, especially the wireless ones. You know,

1866
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 1: if you if you've got a prop to get some

1867
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: moss cameras and and you've got them in those spots

1868
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 1: and you're you're seeing a lot of mid morning activity

1869
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 1: or midday activity, or you know it could be right

1870
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 1: at day on or whatnot. That's the times you need

1871
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 1: to hunt because even if he's already got to go

1872
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: out of there, I mean how many I mean, name

1873
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 1: me a place where you you know there's only one dough.

1874
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:23,639
Speaker 1: I mean most time of those those are a real family.

1875
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 1: When it will be you know, groups of dose and

1876
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 1: when he's he's already got one out of there, and

1877
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: when he gets done with her, he'll be back through,

1878
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, try to get another one. And and you

1879
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,799
Speaker 1: just gotta be there. And so there is some patterns

1880
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: to it. I mean, you can't just go out and

1881
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 1: and flop down and just hope, you know, hope for

1882
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: the best west of the rut. You know, where's it

1883
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: the boon and crocodad. It should be here any time.

1884
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. I mean, you can't pattern.

1885
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 1: But they're at the same time, there's lots there is.

1886
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: There is some chaos in it. And the chaos or

1887
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 1: the factors you can't control. You and I can't control.

1888
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 1: We're an instrus that's gonna go after a boat gets

1889
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 1: on her. We can We don't know what she's gonna do.

1890
01:26:58,200 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 1: A lot of times, I don't think she knows what

1891
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 1: she's gonna do. You know, she's being pushed by him,

1892
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: you know, and she's you know, it's a breeding thing.

1893
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 1: She she may go with, she may go right, she

1894
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: may go back the way she came, but that Bok's

1895
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: gonna go with her, you know. So we can't we

1896
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: can't control that. We can't control hunting pressure. You know. Uh,

1897
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 1: that's another part of the chaos. There's people that don't

1898
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 1: hunt all year, they don't hunt any time, but they'll

1899
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 1: hunt during the rut. And and and one of the

1900
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: reasons why they've heard all the stories, you know, like

1901
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: we said that so on and so didn't even even

1902
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 1: need scared. He just they just put him somewhere. He killed,

1903
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: he killed, you know, the big buck in his sculling.

1904
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 1: Hear about that stuff all the time. So a lot

1905
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 1: of people, you know, it's like when the parrot ball

1906
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,719
Speaker 1: gets up there to the multi millions. You know, people

1907
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 1: both ever played the lottery're gonna play the lottery. And

1908
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: the same thing going on with with with with the

1909
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 1: rutting deer says people are don't harley bow hunt or

1910
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 1: don't do anything that they get a little bit excited

1911
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 1: during the rut and they're just hoping for the best.

1912
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 1: And when you get those people out, a lot of

1913
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 1: them don't have confidence in the places that they're sitting

1914
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,600
Speaker 1: at because they know deep then they've not scouted or

1915
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:57,719
Speaker 1: they've not been running cameras, they've not put in the work,

1916
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 1: and they'll sit there and they'll get cold. Get here

1917
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: with that the grass is greener mentality where maybe I

1918
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 1: should go over here and look, maybe I should go

1919
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: over there, and they get out, they roam around, and

1920
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 1: then they inintentionally you know, jump Bucks and those you know,

1921
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 1: and they push them you know, wherever, so that you

1922
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 1: can't control that part of it. But the part you

1923
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 1: can't control is putting yourself in a situation where you've

1924
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 1: got a really good chance of of of of same

1925
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:24,759
Speaker 1: one that's out looking for those So those hot spots

1926
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 1: are the key places. And I'm a firm believer if

1927
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 1: you can put Wiars cameras out and if you don't

1928
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 1: have Wiars camps, but the other can you know, the

1929
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 1: regular standard cameras out and and just kind of march

1930
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 1: what's going on. And it's trying to put yourself in

1931
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 1: the best position that you can. So let's dive in

1932
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:42,599
Speaker 1: deeper into what those right spots are. We we've mentioned

1933
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 1: dough hot spots a couple of times, but let's talk

1934
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 1: a little bit more about specifically what kind of places

1935
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 1: you find to be those dough hot spots there in

1936
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: the right And then secondly, so part part one is

1937
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 1: where specifically or what specifically do these doe hot spots

1938
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 1: look like. And then number two is how he is

1939
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 1: set up on them, because lots of times we'll hear, oh, well,

1940
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: you know hunt down wind of the dough betting area,

1941
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 1: and that sounds great in theory, but how do you

1942
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 1: find the absolute right spot within the spot like that

1943
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 1: the killing spot down are? Can you answer me those

1944
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 1: two things? But that all goes to your scaling. I mean,

1945
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: that goes into your personal experience and you're scouting, you know,

1946
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:21,799
Speaker 1: watching if you've got one of my favorite places obviously

1947
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 1: is is you know a preferred dough betting area, you know,

1948
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 1: and and you know where those are bed and that

1949
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:29,959
Speaker 1: because that's where they're going to be at the majority

1950
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 1: part of the day. You know, there are in that

1951
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 1: lime and actually nocturnal even a lot of activity goes

1952
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: on and stuff at night and all that kind of stuff.

1953
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 1: And but during the bedding area, and that's a usually

1954
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 1: a daytime place. Now they do feed during the day.

1955
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 1: Stuff goes on during to day. They may get off

1956
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:46,679
Speaker 1: the bed and you know, go go feed and come back,

1957
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 1: but that bed and there is where they spend the

1958
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: bulk of their time. So that's where I want to be.

1959
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: I want to spend the book of my time in

1960
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 1: a doe betting area. And that's not the only place

1961
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:54,640
Speaker 1: I one, but that's one. If I can find a

1962
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,679
Speaker 1: spot like that, and I rank cameras, and I see

1963
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 1: the way that does you know how they go into

1964
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:01,639
Speaker 1: you know, how they're entering it, how there, And that's

1965
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 1: why I'm a firm believer using multiple cameras. I mean,

1966
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, one camera tells you a little bit. Five

1967
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,680
Speaker 1: cameras will tell you a whole lot more. And if

1968
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 1: I've got a dough bean an area, I make the

1969
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 1: truth three cameras on that bed area, so I can

1970
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 1: determine how the majority of the those and and deer

1971
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 1: don't follow a script. I mean you know, well, either

1972
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 1: you've been a situation we think this set up. I've

1973
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 1: got this tree stand here, the deer is coming from

1974
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 1: the west this you know the buck is That's how

1975
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 1: it comes in. And then you get up there and

1976
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 1: get set up, and the deer comes in from the least.

1977
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you know they don't follow a script. But

1978
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 1: the more you know, the better off you are on

1979
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 1: how to set up on it. So if I know

1980
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 1: that those primarily the majority of them are coming in

1981
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 1: a certain way to the band area, they're exiting a

1982
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 1: certain way, and that tells me how, you know, I

1983
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 1: need to set up. And also if those cameras are

1984
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 1: gonna tell me is is are you know all the

1985
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 1: bucks coming through there? You know what time is a

1986
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: really coming through there? And when they come through there,

1987
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: how are they going in? Do they just go by

1988
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 1: and sent check the thicket from a distance, you know,

1989
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 1: get the win in their favorite scent check it, or

1990
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 1: they actually going into the thicket if they do go in,

1991
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 1: how they go in, if they get on the dough,

1992
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: how they're going out. All that stuff will tell you, you

1993
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, if there's I can't you know nobody's here

1994
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 1: and say, well you find out the bed in the

1995
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 1: area you get down when you set up, Well, you

1996
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 1: know that may work and may not work. You you've

1997
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 1: got to do the You gotta do the homework on it.

1998
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 1: You gotta know how they're, how they're entering, how they're

1999
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 1: leaving the you know the prime times that they're that

2000
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: they get off the bed. Dear, don't a lot of

2001
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 1: people think that, Dear, just come in Buck's and those

2002
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 1: they come in they feed at night, they come in.

2003
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 1: You know, if you're lucky, you get them a little

2004
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:30,640
Speaker 1: bit after daylight and they go in, they lock in

2005
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 1: on the bed and then that's it. You know, they

2006
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 1: don't move to the right at you right before dark

2007
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 1: or after dark and there they do that a lot.

2008
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 1: But dear, I've I've hunted dead in the areas my

2009
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 1: whole life, and I can tell you that I've never

2010
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 1: in my life seen dear that go in before daylight,

2011
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 1: lay down in the bed and they lay there till

2012
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 1: dark and don't move throughout the day. You, I mean,

2013
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 1: just put yourself in that situation, do you? And I've

2014
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,680
Speaker 1: hunted all day it's hard. It's one they said, y'all

2015
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 1: hunt all day during the rut. But when you get

2016
01:31:57,479 --> 01:32:00,759
Speaker 1: in there two hours before daylight and sit down and

2017
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 1: and it's cold and whatnot, and you're sitting there and

2018
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 1: you sit there throughout the entire day, and if it's

2019
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 1: one of those days you're not seeing a lot of activity.

2020
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 1: It is hard to sit there like that all day long,

2021
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 1: all day till after dark. And I can tell you

2022
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 1: one thing. When you do do that, a couple of

2023
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:15,640
Speaker 1: days of that, these guys that say, oh, I have

2024
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 1: trouble to sleep, and go hunt the rut, Go hunt

2025
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 1: the rut before day lute the dark. I guarantee you

2026
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 1: at sixty so it starts getting dark at five and

2027
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 1: six o'clock. And even I guarantee you when you get home,

2028
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: you don't want to eat or do anything, you just

2029
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 1: want to go to bed. Completely wears you out. And

2030
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:31,760
Speaker 1: it's hard for the deer too. I mean, think about it,

2031
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:33,640
Speaker 1: they're just sitting there all day. Well a lot of

2032
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 1: more what they'll do is they'll get up and no

2033
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 1: brows around. You know, you know, everybody wants to hunt

2034
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 1: food plots and uh, you know, when the acrons are

2035
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 1: dropping a lot of stuff is great. But the deer,

2036
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 1: a lot of their has been studies showing a lot

2037
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 1: of brows makes up a lot of big portion of

2038
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:49,520
Speaker 1: their diet. And the brows on sapling twigs and honeysuckle

2039
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 1: and and you know at the akrons and stuff like that.

2040
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 1: They'll move around little bit. So a lot of times

2041
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 1: there will go down that have been pressure. We'll go

2042
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 1: down in bed before before it gets daylight. But a

2043
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, after that morning they'll get

2044
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 1: up and stretch. They'll get up and stretch. Um bucks

2045
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 1: are no tourists with getting up and and and going

2046
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 1: to the bathroom, you know, getting them going to bathroom,

2047
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 1: stretching legs, brad as a little bit. They may they

2048
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 1: may work as gray or do something. They go back

2049
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 1: and bed down four ft from where they were originally. Bad,

2050
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 1: but they will get up and move a little bit.

2051
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 1: But no one like I'm going back, got a little

2052
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:22,719
Speaker 1: off track there, but going you know, no one where

2053
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 1: those those are bad bad, no one how they typically

2054
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:29,600
Speaker 1: go in, how they typically you know, exit um is

2055
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 1: our mid morning. You know Brow's activities are getting up

2056
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 1: off the bed and moving around a little bit, and

2057
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 1: how they do and the more you can know about

2058
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 1: that the bed and I'll tell you exactly how to

2059
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 1: set up or let's take a second here to think

2060
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 1: our friends at Morton. Morton is the builder of wood frame,

2061
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 1: steel sided buildings. And we're out on the back forty

2062
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 1: right now as I speak. I am just dreaming. I

2063
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:51,719
Speaker 1: said this before, but I think a Morton building would

2064
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 1: be perfect up here. We're actually sleeping in a fifth wheel.

2065
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 1: We pulled the fifth wheel all here that I was

2066
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 1: lucky enough to get to borrow from my in laws.

2067
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 1: That's great, but it would be nice if we had

2068
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 1: a building here that could be our skin and shack,

2069
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: that could be our bunk house, that could store our equipment.

2070
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 1: If we get a tractor someday or something like that,

2071
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 1: that would be perfect to store here, our mower, our UTV.

2072
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 1: Morton building would be ideal for a scenario like this,

2073
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 1: and it might be a deal for your hunting camp

2074
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 1: or deer property as well. Visit Morton Buildings dot com

2075
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:25,280
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2076
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2077
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 1: are in Sheridan, Wyoming, now producing some of the most

2078
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 1: high quality precision rifles you can find. I've got one

2079
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 1: of their Vanguards and I'm gonna be putting it to

2080
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 1: the test in just a couple of weeks. Opening day

2081
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 1: of firearms season and mission is November. I'm gonna be

2082
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 1: heading up north to our family deer camp taking my

2083
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 1: thirty at six van guard, and I'm excited because from

2084
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 1: what I've experienced so far, it's gonna put the bullet

2085
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 1: right where I want it and it's gonna feel really

2086
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 1: good doing it. So if you want to learn more

2087
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,800
Speaker 1: about weather Be, you can visit Weatherby dot com. They've

2088
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 1: got some great videos over on YouTube as well. The

2089
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 1: story of their family business, the story of how they

2090
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,160
Speaker 1: came to Wyoming in particular, I found really interesting, So

2091
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 1: check it out and happy hunting. You mentioned trail cameras

2092
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 1: a couple of times there throughout about a lot using

2093
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 1: that intel to to really get that detailed information and

2094
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:21,760
Speaker 1: getting the right setup or know the right time to

2095
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,080
Speaker 1: hunt it. And you mentioned how you're using wireless cameras

2096
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:27,679
Speaker 1: and all that. Can you elaborate a little bit on

2097
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 1: where I guess more detail on how you're setting up

2098
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:35,880
Speaker 1: these cameras for the rut sounds like put them around

2099
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: dough betting area sometimes. But are you placing them on scrapes?

2100
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 1: Are you're placing them on trails? Are you putting them

2101
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 1: in feeding ears and bedding ears and falls or or

2102
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 1: what like? Where are your cameras right now across your

2103
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 1: properties for the next two weeks? Well, for the next

2104
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 1: two weeks, my cameras are going to be on the

2105
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 1: mock scrapes. I may all established scripes on travel corridors

2106
01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 1: that connect cart feeding areas and beating area is and

2107
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 1: and uh and if I'm finding the dough bending areas

2108
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm putting them there because like I said, they're not

2109
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 1: they're not actually the bucks right now, the mature bucks,

2110
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 1: when I say they're Roman and scouting that they're not.

2111
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:15,720
Speaker 1: They're not going to these though hotspot areas you know

2112
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 1: at that point to try to get an insterrastow because

2113
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 1: they know, I mean, the young bucks don't know. That's

2114
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 1: the ones that think, hey, I'm I'm gonna get to breathe,

2115
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 1: I want to breath. They're they're chasing everything now. They're

2116
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 1: chasing any though that will that they see the run,

2117
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 1: the run them down. They'll try they run them out

2118
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 1: of the coutry. That's why you start to see a

2119
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 1: lot of deer on the air state get killed and stuff,

2120
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 1: because well, let us be the root. Now you've got

2121
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 1: these young bucks harassing them. That's what's going on. The

2122
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: old bucks know that that's not that's not what's going

2123
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 1: on now. But what they are doing. They are going

2124
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 1: to those areas and they are scraped and they're leaving

2125
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 1: their scent. They let them know I'm here. They wanted

2126
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 1: those come in and leave their cent and let them

2127
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 1: know that they're there, and they want to want other

2128
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 1: bucks are in the area. So they're making those milk runs,

2129
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:54,639
Speaker 1: going those places and they're monitoring those dolls or where

2130
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 1: they're at, where they're gonna be. And then when it

2131
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:58,640
Speaker 1: gets a little bit closer, they're going those areas and

2132
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 1: sent check them and look for atually astro stowes and

2133
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 1: they get on one, they'll take her away, bread her,

2134
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 1: then they'll go get to the nurse spot, got to

2135
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 1: another spot. I just keep on like a circle, just

2136
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:09,680
Speaker 1: keep going through those places and looking for the for

2137
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 1: those are right now. My cameras are on the traveel

2138
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 1: corridors that are connecting uh feeding areas to known dough

2139
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 1: betting areas. I've got them over mock scrapes and I've

2140
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:21,200
Speaker 1: made I've got them over existing scrapes, and I'm running

2141
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 1: multiple cameras and I'm trying to figure out as much

2142
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 1: as i can about about each buck. Like the buck

2143
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 1: I sent you about the other day that came in

2144
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 1: and worked one of our mock scrapes. He was doing

2145
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 1: at mid morning on one heat hit one spot. Mid morning,

2146
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:35,639
Speaker 1: he came off his bed area and he did about

2147
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 1: mid morns, like ten o'clock in the morning. We've got

2148
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 1: a great video of him working the scrape. About two

2149
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 1: hours later we got a mile and a half away

2150
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 1: at a different spot working another scrape. So they was

2151
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 1: making that run. And then about three and a half

2152
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:49,759
Speaker 1: hours later we got him on another camera that closer

2153
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 1: to where he was bedding, and he had made a circle.

2154
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 1: Er that's what he what he'd done. I'm not saying that,

2155
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 1: you know, they're trying to run, I was gonna be

2156
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 1: in a circle, But I'm just saying aptitude, good scenario.

2157
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like a circle. That's where he's going.

2158
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 1: And at those cameras that well, you know, tell me

2159
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 1: where you know, if I was gonna hut today, where

2160
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:07,720
Speaker 1: I would probably need to right need to set up

2161
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 1: at How much detail do you pay attention to with

2162
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 1: those pictures? Are you looking at just direction of travel

2163
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:17,440
Speaker 1: and time of day? Do you look at the conditions

2164
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:20,559
Speaker 1: and try to correlate his behavior based off of something

2165
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 1: like wind direction or cold friends or bare mutch of

2166
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:25,559
Speaker 1: pressure that did do you look at any of that

2167
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 1: thing you just said, every bit of that every it's like, um,

2168
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:33,599
Speaker 1: it's like putting together a puzzle, and every every piece

2169
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 1: of information is an important pace. You gotta able to

2170
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 1: put it all, you know, put it all together, and

2171
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:40,760
Speaker 1: I'll give an example that you know, my son killed

2172
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 1: one of the first big bucks. He killed U This

2173
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:45,680
Speaker 1: is a true story. We got all of it was

2174
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:49,760
Speaker 1: during the Kentucky uth season, and we've got all at

2175
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 1: one fifty eight point. It was a giant deer. I mean,

2176
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 1: it was hard for me not to go both one

2177
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:56,919
Speaker 1: and I because it was a big deer. And the pattern,

2178
01:38:57,120 --> 01:38:59,320
Speaker 1: the pattern that we got on, you know, with it

2179
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 1: was and this is it might sound crazy, but you

2180
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:05,120
Speaker 1: can you can ask him it that that particular buck

2181
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: was feeding on aprons. And once I got on him,

2182
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 1: I went to put a bunch of cameras out, so

2183
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 1: I knew kind of where he was staging, and I

2184
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 1: knew where he was betting at. I knew obviously where

2185
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 1: he was feeding at and whatnot. And I had a

2186
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 1: pretty good pattern. But the problem was he was pretty

2187
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 1: much you know, like most big bucks are, especially you

2188
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,839
Speaker 1: know prior to the rut, he was he was nocturnal.

2189
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we were running a highly pressured area.

2190
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of toaching that goes on

2191
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 1: around there. I mean, the the deer there, like the

2192
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 1: big deer like ghosts. I mean just you know, sad fact,

2193
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 1: but that particular deer and that early extuct youth season

2194
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 1: he was going. Um he would go bed before daylight

2195
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 1: and on rainy days this is this is I put

2196
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 1: this together. On rainy days he would get off the

2197
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 1: bed about mid morning and would sneak into that acron

2198
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:53,280
Speaker 1: flat and neath those aprons. I mean, like clockwork. I mean,

2199
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:57,679
Speaker 1: over about three week period, I noticed that the sometimes

2200
01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:00,679
Speaker 1: the only daytime activity was on rainy day days. Mid

2201
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 1: morning he would he was sneaking or eat acorns for

2202
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 1: about you know, thirty or forty mints and he got

2203
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:08,080
Speaker 1: back in bed and um, as luck would have it,

2204
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: on the open day of Kentucky you season, Uh, they

2205
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 1: would calling for rain and I came here, my wife

2206
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:15,760
Speaker 1: telling me, you make sure make sure he doesn't get

2207
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, he was probably at the time I thought

2208
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:22,000
Speaker 1: he was, I want to say, eleven years old to

2209
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 1: my random there, you know, and Mommy was being protected her.

2210
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:26,640
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, you're gonna get him wet. You know.

2211
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 1: He makes you make sure you are you on a blind.

2212
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 1: I know we don't. We don't have a blind. I said,

2213
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:33,320
Speaker 1: if you've got gortex, rain outfit. I said, it's not

2214
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 1: gonna be too cold. I said, we have to hunt

2215
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 1: during this rain. That's when that deer is moving. You know. She's, well,

2216
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 1: I know you do that because he just a little kid.

2217
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:43,280
Speaker 1: And and uh she she said, you'll get him where

2218
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:45,639
Speaker 1: he will he won't even want to go. That's definitely

2219
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 1: not what's happened now, you know, I'm trying to keep

2220
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:49,880
Speaker 1: him out of the woods. Is a hard thing now,

2221
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, after after do it all that. But anyway,

2222
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 1: so we got set up. It was gonna rain, and

2223
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:56,840
Speaker 1: I told him I should just be patient, and but

2224
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:58,720
Speaker 1: we got in our way before daylight, just to make

2225
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:00,560
Speaker 1: sure we didn't bump anything and thing like that. And

2226
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 1: I told him us now that if if what I'm

2227
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:05,960
Speaker 1: thinking is right, I said, this deer will show up,

2228
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:07,640
Speaker 1: you know, about mid morning. I said, we met. I

2229
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 1: see a lot of activity you know from you know,

2230
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:12,400
Speaker 1: at daylight on, but at mid morning he subjects to

2231
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,280
Speaker 1: show up. So we sat there. We were sitting on

2232
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 1: the ground, had a little makeshift bline, were sitting in

2233
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:18,840
Speaker 1: a high pressure area. I didn't want to put up

2234
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 1: a blind for people other people see her hunt because

2235
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:22,599
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people down here, and no tourist

2236
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:24,360
Speaker 1: whom they see a blind or see a stand or

2237
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:26,599
Speaker 1: trying to hunt us close to as they can. They

2238
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:29,840
Speaker 1: figure that guys put a stand or blind there for

2239
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 1: a reason. So I'm won't try to hunt cross. I

2240
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 1: try to avoid that. In those highly pressures that we

2241
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 1: had a little makeshift blind natural stuff I've cut and

2242
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, blended us in good. We could move. We

2243
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 1: were sitting, they were sitting there. He was almost in

2244
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,280
Speaker 1: my lap. I'm he sitting run aside me. We sat

2245
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:46,040
Speaker 1: there and it rained and rained and rain, and we

2246
01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:48,200
Speaker 1: were getting wet, and we weren't seeing a whole lot.

2247
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:50,599
Speaker 1: And I think at nine thirty in the morning, which

2248
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:52,560
Speaker 1: is between nine and ten, we were getting most of

2249
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:54,439
Speaker 1: the pictures on those rainy days. And he came just

2250
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:59,080
Speaker 1: like hawkwork and he kills and I, you know, I've

2251
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 1: got all those cameras runna be different. I just had

2252
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:03,160
Speaker 1: one camera out and you know, it was tending what

2253
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 1: I was saying. But we had, you know, probably ten

2254
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:07,360
Speaker 1: cameras outlet on that deer, you know, and I knew

2255
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:10,040
Speaker 1: exactly what it what it was doing. And at that

2256
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 1: point that went opportune. We had is when it was

2257
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 1: it would come out when it was raining. And there's

2258
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:16,160
Speaker 1: little stuff like that no matter what time of the season.

2259
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 1: It isn't what time of the year and what phase

2260
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 1: of the ruts you could put. Um that they've got habits,

2261
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got they've got habits and stuff that

2262
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:25,360
Speaker 1: they do. There's tendency that they follow. I mean. And

2263
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 1: the more cameras you get out and the more stuff

2264
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:29,680
Speaker 1: you piece together. And the good news is is the

2265
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:33,600
Speaker 1: cameras that are out today are unbelievable. I mean, the

2266
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:35,640
Speaker 1: one I just what I'm telling you about this, one

2267
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:38,080
Speaker 1: of the ones I've just now checked. It's got the

2268
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:40,879
Speaker 1: baramedic pressure, the wind. It will tell you the wind direction,

2269
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:43,680
Speaker 1: the phase of the moon. Um, all that stuff on

2270
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:45,479
Speaker 1: there and not not just the time and date and

2271
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:47,840
Speaker 1: all that and and and send it to your phone

2272
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:49,640
Speaker 1: where it's in real time. And and that saves me.

2273
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm to go, you know, contaminated areas a lot of

2274
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 1: you know, scent noise and stuff, trying to go and

2275
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 1: check cameras and stuff because I can check it right

2276
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:58,719
Speaker 1: there on my phone. And if I've got to work Monday,

2277
01:42:58,760 --> 01:43:01,559
Speaker 1: Tuesday and Wednesday and during that time, you know, during

2278
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 1: that three day period, and I think about maybe calling

2279
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:06,679
Speaker 1: in sick on Thursday, and in the three days prior

2280
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 1: to that, you know that the buck has done you know, X,

2281
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:11,160
Speaker 1: Y and Z, and I know what he's doing probably

2282
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 1: on that Thursday, and when I take a sick day,

2283
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 1: I've got a good chance of chance of killing, you know,

2284
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:17,840
Speaker 1: because I know what I'm doing in real time. I'm

2285
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:19,559
Speaker 1: not having to take a day and go in the

2286
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 1: field and check a camera. I'm you know, right at home.

2287
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 1: I'm knowing what you know, no one what's going on.

2288
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:25,679
Speaker 1: The truth of the matter is, if I could afford

2289
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:29,280
Speaker 1: them every trial camera I have, the the wireless scam. Yeah,

2290
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:32,519
Speaker 1: they're very handy tool. Yeah, but the bad thing is

2291
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 1: where I'm at in the mountains, there's we've got a

2292
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 1: lot of areas that you just don't have sales service from,

2293
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 1: no matter if it's Surprise or a T and T

2294
01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 1: or whatever. You just don't know. There's just dead zones

2295
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:44,120
Speaker 1: where you you know, there's not any towers and bad

2296
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:46,599
Speaker 1: thing that user were you know, those are remote areas

2297
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:49,120
Speaker 1: that used were a lot of the big deal. Yeah,

2298
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 1: so you don't you don't have to sell off claim.

2299
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:52,880
Speaker 1: But even with not that you know, I've I've probably

2300
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 1: got everybody knows that if they don't want to get

2301
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:57,600
Speaker 1: me for Christmas, for my birthday or something like that,

2302
01:43:57,640 --> 01:43:59,800
Speaker 1: they buy me a trio came I mean, and I'll

2303
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:01,680
Speaker 1: take I don't care what kind they are, there, the

2304
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:04,559
Speaker 1: cheap forty dollar kind. I'll take every one I can

2305
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:09,559
Speaker 1: get because they're a vital pool. And I'm not saying, Um,

2306
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,800
Speaker 1: there is a mistake that people make, you know, by

2307
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:14,920
Speaker 1: thinking I'm not hunting because I don't have you know

2308
01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 1: that you know that the choke cameras don't get everything.

2309
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:20,559
Speaker 1: I don't care what model they are, how expensive they are,

2310
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 1: what their trigger speed is, how sense than they are. Um,

2311
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 1: I'll chock and you just because you put a choke

2312
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 1: camera up doesn't mean that you've got all that too.

2313
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:29,760
Speaker 1: Just taken place where you've got that choe camera up.

2314
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been a situation, has been in the

2315
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:35,639
Speaker 1: stand and I've seen shooter bucks that we're all around

2316
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:38,080
Speaker 1: the camera but never got in front of it, you know,

2317
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 1: not intentionally. It wasn't like they knew that the camera

2318
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 1: was there anything like that. It's just the way they

2319
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,240
Speaker 1: were feeding, the way they were moving and they those

2320
01:44:44,280 --> 01:44:46,000
Speaker 1: got in front of them and everything else, and and

2321
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:47,640
Speaker 1: the bucks didn't get in front. So you can't go

2322
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 1: solely on that by no means. But the more cameras

2323
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:54,680
Speaker 1: you have out, the more clues you can gather, the

2324
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:56,640
Speaker 1: more pieces of the policy put together, you can you know,

2325
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 1: eventually solve it and you can get a shot. And

2326
01:44:58,439 --> 01:44:59,720
Speaker 1: so I try to I look at all that, I

2327
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 1: look at that. You know, what was the Bearmick pressure,

2328
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:04,679
Speaker 1: when the you know, when I was getting a daytime

2329
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:08,439
Speaker 1: activity on three of my cameras, what was the Bearmick pressure,

2330
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 1: What was the wind direction that day? Why was that

2331
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:12,120
Speaker 1: boat traveling that way? What what direction did he come

2332
01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:15,280
Speaker 1: in from? How long did he stay? Um um? The

2333
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:16,720
Speaker 1: truck camera scrap and a lot of people they just

2334
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 1: don't they don't take advantage the full advantage of what

2335
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 1: all truick cameras can do for him. A lot of

2336
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:22,360
Speaker 1: people will go out and they'll put up, you know,

2337
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 1: a trail camera, and they'll get a shooter buck at

2338
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:27,599
Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning, and they get them through

2339
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:29,479
Speaker 1: three nights and it's twelve one, two, three o'clock in

2340
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:30,920
Speaker 1: the morning, they go put a stand up right there

2341
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:33,240
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, unless you're gonna spotlight that there, that

2342
01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:34,760
Speaker 1: that's really not doing you a whole lot of good.

2343
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 1: You know, that just showed you where that buck is at.

2344
01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:39,240
Speaker 1: So when I get a three o'clock in the morning

2345
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:40,960
Speaker 1: pitch or what I'm trying to do, I'm say, Okay,

2346
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:42,800
Speaker 1: he's here at three o'clock in the morning. You know,

2347
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 1: I'll get out Google Maps and look at it. He

2348
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:48,400
Speaker 1: come in from, you know, from the north. Where was

2349
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:50,240
Speaker 1: he coming from? Why did it take him to three

2350
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning to get there? You know, was

2351
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, where is he possibly batting it? Where is

2352
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:57,000
Speaker 1: he possibly where is he going to? What is he easy?

2353
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:58,800
Speaker 1: Going there? To feed? You need to put all that

2354
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:01,840
Speaker 1: stuff together and that way, that way you know more

2355
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 1: of what to do, how to sit up? Yeah, now

2356
01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:09,080
Speaker 1: what about looking at pictures? In past years, we we

2357
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:11,000
Speaker 1: talked to a lot of folks that are getting more

2358
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 1: and more into observing annual trends or annual patterns and

2359
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 1: some kind Is that something you key in on it all? Yep,

2360
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:21,240
Speaker 1: there's places. I've got places here in my home state,

2361
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:24,200
Speaker 1: and that the truth of the matter is, if I

2362
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 1: got laid up and put in the hospital or something,

2363
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 1: you know, weeks before or a month before you know,

2364
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:33,120
Speaker 1: the road or gun season or whatever. That if I

2365
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 1: got able to go, even with that scout or even

2366
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:38,599
Speaker 1: checking the camera, there's places I know that with confidence

2367
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:39,920
Speaker 1: i'd go and have a good chance of killing the

2368
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:43,040
Speaker 1: book because some of the some of the patterns just

2369
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 1: don't you know, they don't change there in these certain

2370
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:47,600
Speaker 1: areas during the run. There always will be you know,

2371
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 1: and they're just big. There's the areas you can kill

2372
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 1: big books. I mean I've got places I've killed multiple

2373
01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 1: big bucks out of, and yeah I rank cameras and

2374
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:55,040
Speaker 1: stuff on the same. But the truth matter is that

2375
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:58,440
Speaker 1: I could have you know, I'd have complete full confidence

2376
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:00,760
Speaker 1: going and sitting in on even if I had never

2377
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 1: ran a camera and didn't know anything that was going on.

2378
01:47:03,479 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 1: They're just you know there there their rut hotspots, the

2379
01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:08,639
Speaker 1: places that you know the bucks were going on. We're

2380
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 1: gonna be and especially through here in these mountains um

2381
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:14,479
Speaker 1: the way because they you know, our I suldn't even

2382
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:16,880
Speaker 1: say that because of the flat land, low and terrain.

2383
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:20,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I mean, there's the particular to train

2384
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 1: your hunting. There's gonna be features that terrain that will

2385
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:26,000
Speaker 1: dictate how the deer travel from point A to point by.

2386
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:28,800
Speaker 1: Food sources will change, hunting pressure will change. That stuff

2387
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:31,200
Speaker 1: will change. But there's certain things that are gonna be

2388
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:33,799
Speaker 1: you know, pretty much the same list or just some major, major,

2389
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:37,000
Speaker 1: you know things that happened like this when comes into

2390
01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:41,479
Speaker 1: logs or you know, or or uh, food sources just

2391
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:43,960
Speaker 1: completely changed or something like that. All that stuff can

2392
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:45,560
Speaker 1: can change somewhat. But there's a lot of stuff that

2393
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:47,400
Speaker 1: will be. You know, you hear about guys that kill

2394
01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:50,400
Speaker 1: big Bucks out of the same stand every year, and

2395
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 1: and they and a little brag about it. Yeah, I

2396
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:54,719
Speaker 1: didn't scale, I didn't run a camera, didn't do anything,

2397
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 1: didn't put out. I just go up there. And I

2398
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:58,280
Speaker 1: sitting at stand on Open the Morning and Gun season

2399
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:01,760
Speaker 1: the last four season to kill the book. And and

2400
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:04,200
Speaker 1: they've just got they've got a really good spot. I mean,

2401
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:06,479
Speaker 1: they've got a spot that Big Bucks travel through and

2402
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:08,840
Speaker 1: and you know that they can you can pull it

2403
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:11,599
Speaker 1: off like that sometimes. But I like knowing the other way.

2404
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 1: I like no one what's in there, and I'll take

2405
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 1: luck and I'll take a surprise. I like I like

2406
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:18,479
Speaker 1: having a buck that shows up that you know, be

2407
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 1: running cameras for three months and this buck was not

2408
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:22,680
Speaker 1: on any of us, and he showed up during the run.

2409
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:25,600
Speaker 1: I'll take that. I like that too. But at the

2410
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:29,599
Speaker 1: same time, there's also as far as confidence goes, it's

2411
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:32,040
Speaker 1: a whole lot easier to sit in the place from

2412
01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:34,800
Speaker 1: before daylight till dark. After you've worked hard all week,

2413
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:37,599
Speaker 1: you're dead tired. Everybody knows how it is. I mean,

2414
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, when you hunt, you know, like we do.

2415
01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:42,160
Speaker 1: You go when you're tired, you go when you're not

2416
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:44,680
Speaker 1: feeling good. If you have a day off, you better go.

2417
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 1: You can't kill one off the couch you get. You've

2418
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:48,639
Speaker 1: got to get out there. But one thing that will

2419
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:51,080
Speaker 1: help you stay longer in that stand is those cameras.

2420
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:54,960
Speaker 1: Knowing that there's a you know, a one fifty or

2421
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:57,160
Speaker 1: one six or one for word is you're wanting to shoot.

2422
01:48:57,200 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 1: If you've got that buck on camera and you've got

2423
01:48:59,920 --> 01:49:02,200
Speaker 1: a general I did what he's doing, and and there's

2424
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:04,160
Speaker 1: you know in your heart there's a good chance he's

2425
01:49:04,200 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 1: gonna come through and give you a shot. It's a

2426
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:09,960
Speaker 1: lot easier to stay all day. That's the truth. Uh

2427
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:14,559
Speaker 1: So we talked a little bit ago about dough betting

2428
01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:17,320
Speaker 1: years and doe hot spots, and then we're kind of

2429
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 1: zeroing in on that with cameras and everything. But another

2430
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:23,120
Speaker 1: one of those big rut uh, I guess rut hot

2431
01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 1: spots that folks like talked about a lot our funnels

2432
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 1: and pinch points and things like that. And I'm wondering

2433
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:33,000
Speaker 1: with you hunting and kind of hilly terrain. Um, I

2434
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,639
Speaker 1: gotta believe that's something that you key in on as

2435
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:38,639
Speaker 1: far as the terrain features can you can you give

2436
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:40,840
Speaker 1: us the scoop on the types of terrain features that

2437
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:43,400
Speaker 1: you kean on during the rud and like the specifics

2438
01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:46,080
Speaker 1: of how to set up on that kind of thing, now,

2439
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:49,559
Speaker 1: sure they What I try to do is during the rut,

2440
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:53,599
Speaker 1: I'll try to find current feeding, you know, food sources,

2441
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:57,400
Speaker 1: current feeding areas, and the end what I finally, you know,

2442
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 1: I'll put cameras on monitorate and you'll get especially if

2443
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:02,680
Speaker 1: it's the open um. We don't have a lot of

2444
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:04,759
Speaker 1: agriculture in the mount but we do have some fields

2445
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:06,679
Speaker 1: and I do put in food plots you know, in places,

2446
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:09,240
Speaker 1: but it could be acrons, it could be whatever. Wherever

2447
01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 1: I find the food source said, I'll monitory food, soorce

2448
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 1: with cameras and see that those that are coming in,

2449
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:15,519
Speaker 1: what times of day they are coming in and whatnot.

2450
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:17,439
Speaker 1: And then I'll try to find out from the food

2451
01:50:17,479 --> 01:50:20,280
Speaker 1: source where would they potentially be going, you know, the

2452
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 1: bed and you can you know, do some of that

2453
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:25,080
Speaker 1: lake working you do at home. You do want Google

2454
01:50:25,120 --> 01:50:27,200
Speaker 1: Maps look at it, say we know there's a here's

2455
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:29,639
Speaker 1: the feeding area, and over here is a clear cut.

2456
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:32,479
Speaker 1: You know it's overgrown, it's thick, you know, it's within

2457
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:36,720
Speaker 1: you know, uh decent walk from there. It's away from

2458
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:39,800
Speaker 1: the food source. Most are like bend away from you,

2459
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:42,880
Speaker 1: away from the food source if they can, and um,

2460
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:45,120
Speaker 1: they trying to figure out, well, how are they going

2461
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:46,760
Speaker 1: to get from point A to point the water some

2462
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:49,280
Speaker 1: those places. Then you go in there and and burn

2463
01:50:49,320 --> 01:50:51,519
Speaker 1: a little boot leather and walk around and find out

2464
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:53,880
Speaker 1: and look for silent, for the worn trails, look for

2465
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 1: deer dropping, look for leaves, turn up with for tracks

2466
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:58,840
Speaker 1: how they traveling there. And then when you find a

2467
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:01,120
Speaker 1: primary travel route, if you use them, put some cameras

2468
01:51:01,120 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 1: on it and see what activity is going through, what

2469
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:06,000
Speaker 1: times of data were going through, trying to connect it

2470
01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:07,920
Speaker 1: to the bed and area and do the same thing

2471
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:10,560
Speaker 1: there and put some cameras and stuff on there. Um

2472
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:12,920
Speaker 1: one of my favorite places, uh, some of my favorite

2473
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:15,559
Speaker 1: spots to hunt, you know, on hilly mountless train. We've

2474
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:17,000
Speaker 1: got some steep mountains. I mean I live in the

2475
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:18,920
Speaker 1: heart of that Placian Mounds. We've got some mountains that

2476
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:21,360
Speaker 1: go four or five benches up. I mean you're at

2477
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:23,719
Speaker 1: the bottom looking up and you're thinking, you know, there's

2478
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:26,360
Speaker 1: no way I'm gonna walk to that top, and then

2479
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:28,680
Speaker 1: like their Turkey season, little gobble four benches up. The

2480
01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:31,400
Speaker 1: next thing you know, you're halfway up the mountain. You

2481
01:51:31,439 --> 01:51:34,080
Speaker 1: know that the deer and you know you you're seeing

2482
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:36,360
Speaker 1: little pressure is coming from down here. Most people are lazy.

2483
01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 1: You can't get a fuller up there. Most people are

2484
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:39,880
Speaker 1: gonna walk up there. And then the back of your

2485
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:41,240
Speaker 1: money of thinking that if I had a big duck,

2486
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:43,040
Speaker 1: that's where I'd go. Then you go into those areas

2487
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:44,759
Speaker 1: you start find big rugs and that kind of stuff.

2488
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:46,720
Speaker 1: But one of the some of the places I like

2489
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:49,759
Speaker 1: hunting um from right now all the way through Actually

2490
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:53,000
Speaker 1: the Breen trade phase of the rud is like UM

2491
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:55,680
Speaker 1: the natural travel corridors in these mountains like saddles, like

2492
01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:59,479
Speaker 1: you have a saddle or or a gap, and um

2493
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:02,400
Speaker 1: um these deer on these mountain where these mountains working

2494
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:04,200
Speaker 1: around here. A lot of it's been over the years

2495
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 1: of we've had some uh you know, coal mining was

2496
01:52:07,240 --> 01:52:09,160
Speaker 1: big and they've they've stripped some of these which is

2497
01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 1: actually it's actually been a good thing for the deer

2498
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:15,800
Speaker 1: because you've got that transition in between hardwoods into open

2499
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:19,240
Speaker 1: coast trips and they reclaim and they put all the

2500
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:21,639
Speaker 1: motive trees on them and those berries of deer eat them,

2501
01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:23,639
Speaker 1: Turkeys eat them, and they had like bed and in them,

2502
01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:26,760
Speaker 1: and there's the clover and and and stuff like that.

2503
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:29,240
Speaker 1: So you've got the transition between hardwoods into in the

2504
01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:32,000
Speaker 1: coast trip and stuff like that. And um, you could

2505
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:33,840
Speaker 1: be on top of the mountain, there'll be a holler

2506
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:36,919
Speaker 1: down on the right side that's that's full of uh,

2507
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:40,360
Speaker 1: you know, full of reclamation trees and there's clover fields

2508
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:42,439
Speaker 1: and stuff like that that they go down in. On

2509
01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:45,559
Speaker 1: the other side of the mountain, there's a completely different

2510
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:47,719
Speaker 1: you know, places that bossol might be a coast trip

2511
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:49,560
Speaker 1: or might be a farm that's got farm land and

2512
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:51,920
Speaker 1: stuff on it whatnot. And then if you drove to

2513
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,639
Speaker 1: those places by the road, it might take you forty

2514
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:56,439
Speaker 1: five minutes. On top of the mountain, you could drop

2515
01:52:56,439 --> 01:52:58,639
Speaker 1: down either one in five I mean that, and and

2516
01:52:58,640 --> 01:53:00,360
Speaker 1: and deer and other. So these deer in the sounds,

2517
01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:02,960
Speaker 1: they can cover a lot of ground, a lot of

2518
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,599
Speaker 1: different ground by by the mounts by traveling on top

2519
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:07,840
Speaker 1: of the mountains and then dropping off of me, you know.

2520
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:10,599
Speaker 1: And and uh, we say hollers, I'm a hill building,

2521
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 1: but the correct association is hollow, so we call them hollars.

2522
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:16,400
Speaker 1: That they can drop down in one hollar and go

2523
01:53:16,439 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 1: down those doughs and come back through and go down

2524
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:20,599
Speaker 1: to another. And that goes back to that milk run

2525
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:22,639
Speaker 1: task I was talking about. They'll go to those places.

2526
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:25,160
Speaker 1: And that's why you always hear about these people saying

2527
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:27,880
Speaker 1: brand cameras all year. You know, I've got a handful

2528
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:30,920
Speaker 1: of decent bugs. And then from you know, from last

2529
01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:33,519
Speaker 1: week till now, there's there's been four new shooters show up,

2530
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:35,840
Speaker 1: you know, and and all where they came from, well

2531
01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:38,160
Speaker 1: they you know, they've come in from a different area

2532
01:53:38,200 --> 01:53:40,120
Speaker 1: that they've had a different core living area. But they

2533
01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:42,639
Speaker 1: know that there's dose in those areas and within reach,

2534
01:53:42,720 --> 01:53:44,160
Speaker 1: and they're gonna go in there and you know and

2535
01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:46,960
Speaker 1: check for those dose. So that's what's going on. Saddles

2536
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:51,320
Speaker 1: and gaps are good, uh, ridges points and I'm handing

2537
01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:53,160
Speaker 1: up in Illinois. You know, your your text book, your

2538
01:53:53,240 --> 01:53:55,479
Speaker 1: your your bottlenecks and pinch points, all that stuff. All

2539
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:57,880
Speaker 1: lot of stuff is good. But there's bottlenecks and pinch

2540
01:53:57,920 --> 01:53:59,800
Speaker 1: points stuff everywhere. The key is to find a bottle

2541
01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:01,879
Speaker 1: on that some pinch points and the and the saddles

2542
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:04,560
Speaker 1: and the gas that stuff that connect you know, we

2543
01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:06,880
Speaker 1: feeding area to the bedding area that the those are

2544
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:10,120
Speaker 1: traveling in because those areas that when things start cranking,

2545
01:54:10,160 --> 01:54:11,679
Speaker 1: the bucks are going to be in. You tho' looking

2546
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:15,240
Speaker 1: looking for those? Now, what about setting up on those

2547
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:17,679
Speaker 1: kinds of spots so you find the right You find

2548
01:54:17,720 --> 01:54:20,240
Speaker 1: the right pinch point of some kind. Maybe it's a

2549
01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:23,120
Speaker 1: maybe it's cover getting shrunk down to a narrow spot

2550
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:25,600
Speaker 1: between two fields, or maybe it's uh, maybe it's a

2551
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:29,840
Speaker 1: saddle in the mountains, you find that pinch, how do

2552
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:33,200
Speaker 1: you go about picking the spot to hunt on that feature?

2553
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:36,960
Speaker 1: What's going through your mind? That tree? What's on my mind.

2554
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:40,360
Speaker 1: The first thing in my mind is a or deer

2555
01:54:40,440 --> 01:54:42,840
Speaker 1: using it? You know all that you're using it? When

2556
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:44,920
Speaker 1: are that? You know? When are they using it? How

2557
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:46,680
Speaker 1: are they using how they how are they going from?

2558
01:54:46,720 --> 01:54:48,560
Speaker 1: Are they going from east to west, north to south?

2559
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:50,920
Speaker 1: Which direction? And stuff? What I traveling in? And one

2560
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:52,800
Speaker 1: of the most important things that told my mind at

2561
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:54,880
Speaker 1: that time is once I figure that part out, is

2562
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:57,120
Speaker 1: how am I going to access that area? How am

2563
01:54:57,120 --> 01:54:58,800
Speaker 1: I gonna hunt? And how am I going to exit

2564
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:01,560
Speaker 1: that area with that buffet deer In the process, I said,

2565
01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:04,520
Speaker 1: it's one of big you know, dear big deer aren't

2566
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:07,360
Speaker 1: aren't stupid? I mean they didn't get big by being stupid.

2567
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:10,880
Speaker 1: You know, they're smart. Big bucks are smart, and they

2568
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:13,200
Speaker 1: can pattern you either and you can pattern them. So

2569
01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:16,680
Speaker 1: if you're not taking any any steps to trying to

2570
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:19,760
Speaker 1: figure out, you know, how can I enter, hunt and

2571
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:22,680
Speaker 1: acted these areas of that bump gender process, you're shooting

2572
01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:25,480
Speaker 1: yourself from the foot because no pattern you, they'll figure out.

2573
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:28,240
Speaker 1: That's when you start getting more nighttime pictures and anything.

2574
01:55:28,240 --> 01:55:30,120
Speaker 1: It's like, well, just coming by my stamp and everything's

2575
01:55:30,160 --> 01:55:32,960
Speaker 1: after dark, Well, more than likely you've hunted that stand

2576
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:35,520
Speaker 1: or hunted that blind with the wrong wind direction, or

2577
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:37,520
Speaker 1: you've entered it the wrong way, or you've exited the

2578
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:41,240
Speaker 1: wrong way, and you've educated him. And now Buck's educated now,

2579
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:43,520
Speaker 1: and it's going to figure out. And it doesn't mean

2580
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:45,520
Speaker 1: that that buck's going to leave the country. You know

2581
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:47,880
Speaker 1: that it takes a whole whole lot for it get

2582
01:55:47,960 --> 01:55:51,160
Speaker 1: a deer to just leave a core area. But what

2583
01:55:51,240 --> 01:55:53,040
Speaker 1: it will do that dear, that deer will know that

2584
01:55:53,120 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, during these times a day, I do not

2585
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:56,520
Speaker 1: need to be coming through here because there's a predator

2586
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:59,000
Speaker 1: here that's trying to ambush me. I do not need

2587
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:02,320
Speaker 1: to come through here. So but any spot at hunt,

2588
01:56:02,520 --> 01:56:05,400
Speaker 1: because if it's pre rut, rut, post rut, whatever it is,

2589
01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:09,000
Speaker 1: I try to figure out what the deer doing, how

2590
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:11,360
Speaker 1: they're getting in there, how they're leaving, why are they

2591
01:56:11,480 --> 01:56:14,040
Speaker 1: going through there, what times a day? How can I

2592
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:16,800
Speaker 1: get to that that area without bumping deer in the

2593
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:19,400
Speaker 1: process and educating on man A lot of times, I mean,

2594
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:22,680
Speaker 1: it just seems like it books out this way. The

2595
01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:25,440
Speaker 1: easiest routes here stands not always the best route you

2596
01:56:25,480 --> 01:56:27,120
Speaker 1: know to where you're hunting. And I mean it might

2597
01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:29,400
Speaker 1: be the quickest, not be the easiest. But if you're

2598
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:31,920
Speaker 1: going through deer, if you're bumping deer, they're bedded, or

2599
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:35,240
Speaker 1: you're going through you know how the sensitive areas and

2600
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:37,800
Speaker 1: and and you know when you're alerting er your presidents,

2601
01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:41,080
Speaker 1: you're you're you're doing more harm than good. But a

2602
01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:43,000
Speaker 1: lot of people, um, a lot of people do that.

2603
01:56:43,120 --> 01:56:46,200
Speaker 1: They touch these guys that they don't take in. You know,

2604
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:50,400
Speaker 1: they have I each time on the spot, I'm on

2605
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:53,720
Speaker 1: the Weather Channel website, I'm going by our hour forecast.

2606
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the wind direction, you know, and it's

2607
01:56:56,160 --> 01:56:58,760
Speaker 1: sadly it's not always right. But I'm at least doing

2608
01:56:58,760 --> 01:57:01,000
Speaker 1: that where I've got an idea. You know what wind

2609
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:02,680
Speaker 1: I need to have to hunt that area, what the

2610
01:57:02,680 --> 01:57:04,520
Speaker 1: deer been doing, So I know all that, how I

2611
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:05,960
Speaker 1: need to get in, how I need to get out.

2612
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:07,920
Speaker 1: But a lot of these guys will see hot side,

2613
01:57:07,960 --> 01:57:10,240
Speaker 1: will throw up, they'll pull up a stand or a

2614
01:57:10,240 --> 01:57:13,320
Speaker 1: blind and they'll they'll hunt it every weekend, it doesn't

2615
01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:15,480
Speaker 1: matter what's going on. They hunted every weekend. And they're

2616
01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:17,800
Speaker 1: they're shooting ourselves from the foot because those they are

2617
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:20,560
Speaker 1: getting educated on that and they're knowing the key times

2618
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:23,000
Speaker 1: that you're hunting when you're in there, and they're feeling

2619
01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:25,879
Speaker 1: that pressure, and they're gonna make They're gonna adjust their schedule,

2620
01:57:26,120 --> 01:57:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, in order to survive. Their patterns are going

2621
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:29,760
Speaker 1: to change in order to survive. And that's what that's

2622
01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:32,480
Speaker 1: what they do. Yeah, So you pick the right way

2623
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:35,040
Speaker 1: to get in and out to these spots. You're thinking

2624
01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:37,960
Speaker 1: about how the deer using it. Now, how do you

2625
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:41,320
Speaker 1: pick the tree? Well, I picked the tree that's gonna

2626
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:44,320
Speaker 1: give me the best chance, all right, you know, they

2627
01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:45,480
Speaker 1: have to be a tree. You know, I don't have

2628
01:57:45,560 --> 01:57:46,960
Speaker 1: a lot of the ground, taking a lot of big

2629
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:49,080
Speaker 1: bugs off the ground. I prefer to hunt at a tree.

2630
01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:53,960
Speaker 1: But that's not always you know, possible. Um, what I'm

2631
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:55,560
Speaker 1: trying to do, I try to if if if the

2632
01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:58,080
Speaker 1: tree stands set up, I try to find and they're

2633
01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:00,040
Speaker 1: just gonna give me the most opportunities to get a

2634
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:03,080
Speaker 1: shot within you know, within comfortable bow range. That's that's

2635
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:06,440
Speaker 1: the first thing. The sacond thing is you know, Um,

2636
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:08,840
Speaker 1: you've gotta make sure, especially right now, we've got a

2637
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:10,400
Speaker 1: lot of leaves and stuff on the trees, and leaves

2638
01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:12,320
Speaker 1: are are starting to fall a little bit, but we

2639
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:15,320
Speaker 1: the fold is still pretty thick. So you can get

2640
01:58:15,320 --> 01:58:18,000
Speaker 1: away with your tree stands ups, you know, put throwing

2641
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:20,000
Speaker 1: up a tree stand. But when you've gotta gotta take

2642
01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:21,880
Speaker 1: in the mine. You know, here shortly the leaves are

2643
01:58:21,880 --> 01:58:24,960
Speaker 1: gonna start falling, the trees are gonna be bare, and um,

2644
01:58:25,120 --> 01:58:27,040
Speaker 1: you stick out like a sore thumb, you know it.

2645
01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:31,000
Speaker 1: From these places, you've got to have backdrop cover especially.

2646
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:33,000
Speaker 1: You know, we do a lot of film, and you

2647
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:34,680
Speaker 1: know I've done a lot of femilar ears. Don't have

2648
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:37,240
Speaker 1: my aunt's famile whatnot. And you don't just have to

2649
01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:39,640
Speaker 1: hide you. You gonna hide you in a cameraman. And

2650
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:41,960
Speaker 1: so you've got two stands, you've got double scent. Double

2651
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:44,480
Speaker 1: isn't always double the movement. So when I hang my

2652
01:58:44,520 --> 01:58:46,680
Speaker 1: tree stands, I I take a drill. I'll take a

2653
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:49,839
Speaker 1: drill and I'll cut cedar limbs, you know, pine liambs,

2654
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:52,480
Speaker 1: anything like that. That's gonna give me cover. It's gonna

2655
01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's not gonna lose leaves, even when it

2656
01:58:54,520 --> 01:58:57,760
Speaker 1: turns brown. It's still gonna laugh cover. And I'll drill

2657
01:58:57,840 --> 01:58:59,760
Speaker 1: them into the tree, you know around me. I'll break

2658
01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:02,280
Speaker 1: up outline good and very seldom do I get bumped

2659
01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:03,520
Speaker 1: up in the tree. So I want to find a

2660
01:59:03,560 --> 01:59:07,000
Speaker 1: place that's in bow range. And then I'm gonna go

2661
01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:09,080
Speaker 1: ahead and and and and go ahead and do that stuff.

2662
01:59:09,080 --> 01:59:10,840
Speaker 1: And even with leaves and stuffup, I'm gonna go ahead

2663
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:12,040
Speaker 1: do that now. But I don't have to do it later.

2664
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:14,040
Speaker 1: I might. They're making noise hanging up in lembs. I'll

2665
01:59:14,040 --> 01:59:15,640
Speaker 1: hang them now, even though I've got plenty cover right now,

2666
01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:18,320
Speaker 1: I'll still do that. Every tree stand of mine. You'll

2667
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:21,440
Speaker 1: see that their cedar limbs and or pine limbs and

2668
01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:23,839
Speaker 1: stuff in there to break up that line of myself

2669
01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:27,480
Speaker 1: and my camera, and and I'll do that. That's what

2670
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:30,640
Speaker 1: I do. And then i'll map out, you know, it's

2671
01:59:30,920 --> 01:59:33,000
Speaker 1: got a little bit ahead of myself, you know, backing up,

2672
01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:35,520
Speaker 1: I always map out before even hanging the stand of

2673
01:59:35,560 --> 01:59:37,320
Speaker 1: how I'm going to enter it and how I'm gonna exit.

2674
01:59:37,440 --> 01:59:38,880
Speaker 1: You're gonna have get have a game point on how

2675
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:41,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna do that. If you're going to a stand

2676
01:59:41,200 --> 01:59:44,680
Speaker 1: and or a blind or whatever, and you're bumping deer

2677
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:46,320
Speaker 1: from the time you go in the woods, and then

2678
01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:49,200
Speaker 1: when you leave your buppeteer again, you're I mean, you're

2679
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:51,480
Speaker 1: you're just like I said, you shoot yourself in the foot.

2680
01:59:51,480 --> 01:59:54,000
Speaker 1: You're decreasing your chances of getting a shopton at amature

2681
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:56,600
Speaker 1: bud because like I said, they didn't, they didn't get

2682
01:59:56,600 --> 01:59:59,040
Speaker 1: big by being stupid. They're not gonna they can send

2683
01:59:59,080 --> 02:00:01,960
Speaker 1: something pressure. I can feel it like a pan on you,

2684
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:03,600
Speaker 1: and I can figure out stuffy out. So you've got

2685
02:00:03,560 --> 02:00:04,920
Speaker 1: to take all that in mine when you're when you're

2686
02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:07,879
Speaker 1: choosing the ruts set up. Yeah, what about this scenario?

2687
02:00:08,040 --> 02:00:10,320
Speaker 1: What if you pick your tree, you put your branches

2688
02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:13,720
Speaker 1: up there, you're downwind of wherever you think the buck

2689
02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:17,880
Speaker 1: is gonna come through. But somehow that big old buck

2690
02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:20,440
Speaker 1: comes rolling through the saddle, he comes over the rise,

2691
02:00:20,520 --> 02:00:24,600
Speaker 1: he starts dropping down towards you, and somehow, despite all

2692
02:00:24,640 --> 02:00:26,800
Speaker 1: your best efforts, he picks you off in the tree.

2693
02:00:27,480 --> 02:00:29,360
Speaker 1: Or or maybe you drew your ball back and the

2694
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:31,920
Speaker 1: arrow fell off, or something happened and you spook a buck.

2695
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 1: But it's November. Let's say it's the it's you know,

2696
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:38,440
Speaker 1: the ruts pumping. You spook that buck out of there

2697
02:00:38,560 --> 02:00:42,600
Speaker 1: during the rut. What are your thoughts on that situation?

2698
02:00:42,680 --> 02:00:44,080
Speaker 1: In the rut, you know, there's there's a couple of

2699
02:00:44,080 --> 02:00:46,960
Speaker 1: different ideas here. Like some people think, oh, you know,

2700
02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:48,840
Speaker 1: the bucks are crazy this time of year. You can

2701
02:00:49,080 --> 02:00:50,680
Speaker 1: you could go right back in there and maybe they'll

2702
02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:53,200
Speaker 1: kill him. Or other people might say, no, he's never

2703
02:00:53,200 --> 02:00:55,680
Speaker 1: gonna walk past that tree again for another month. What

2704
02:00:55,720 --> 02:00:57,880
Speaker 1: do you think about spooking a bucket during the rut?

2705
02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:00,600
Speaker 1: What do you what's the impact going to be? I

2706
02:01:00,640 --> 02:01:04,040
Speaker 1: think every scenario is different. It just depends on There's

2707
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:07,560
Speaker 1: so many factors on that. I mean, how you spent

2708
02:01:07,680 --> 02:01:09,960
Speaker 1: the book. I mean, did you shoot him with the

2709
02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:12,520
Speaker 1: bow and and and it was it a clean miss?

2710
02:01:12,600 --> 02:01:14,960
Speaker 1: Or did you did you you know, did you scrape

2711
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:16,760
Speaker 1: my hair off of him? But where he felt like

2712
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:20,320
Speaker 1: he got shot? Sometimes, you know, somebody misses a I

2713
02:01:20,360 --> 02:01:22,280
Speaker 1: know there's a hunter here in our county that had

2714
02:01:22,280 --> 02:01:27,680
Speaker 1: missed a good duck um the weekend before um and

2715
02:01:27,800 --> 02:01:31,640
Speaker 1: missed it and uh come in the actually the weekend

2716
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:35,040
Speaker 1: other hunt. It was a uh she she she she

2717
02:01:35,120 --> 02:01:37,680
Speaker 1: shot the deer Saturday, missed it, but it was a

2718
02:01:37,680 --> 02:01:40,360
Speaker 1: clean miss. Didn't hit hair, didn't anything clean miss but

2719
02:01:40,440 --> 02:01:44,040
Speaker 1: the deer blew and ran off And the next day

2720
02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:47,640
Speaker 1: she'd have the understands for that particular wind direction, and

2721
02:01:47,680 --> 02:01:49,520
Speaker 1: she was off work and she wouldn't go. She win,

2722
02:01:49,600 --> 02:01:51,040
Speaker 1: and the deer come back through there about a hour

2723
02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:53,360
Speaker 1: later than it did that. Therefore, once she killed right

2724
02:01:53,400 --> 02:01:55,880
Speaker 1: of the same the same tree and at the same time.

2725
02:01:55,920 --> 02:01:59,400
Speaker 1: Though I found situations myself or stuff like that tappen

2726
02:01:59,440 --> 02:02:01,320
Speaker 1: of the wind the you know what. I hunt in

2727
02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:03,760
Speaker 1: Illinois and Cans of those places, it's a little bit

2728
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:06,040
Speaker 1: easier to hunt the wind. And this during the mountains

2729
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:10,120
Speaker 1: because the wind swirls. I mean it might be a

2730
02:02:10,280 --> 02:02:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, a northwest wind or whatnot, but at some

2731
02:02:13,160 --> 02:02:16,240
Speaker 1: time during to day it'll it'll it'll, it swirls and

2732
02:02:16,280 --> 02:02:18,480
Speaker 1: been on the train bounces, all stuff goes back. I mean,

2733
02:02:18,520 --> 02:02:21,160
Speaker 1: you can get It's it's real tricky, you know, the

2734
02:02:21,160 --> 02:02:24,400
Speaker 1: wind when you're hunting hilly and in mountless terrain, and

2735
02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've had there that the winds sported

2736
02:02:26,920 --> 02:02:29,560
Speaker 1: at the wrong time, and I'm I'm, I guess I

2737
02:02:30,080 --> 02:02:32,120
Speaker 1: sometimes a lot of people say I go overboard with

2738
02:02:32,200 --> 02:02:35,640
Speaker 1: sent control, and I tried to. But you know, no

2739
02:02:35,680 --> 02:02:39,160
Speaker 1: matter what, nothing's a h percent. I mean, despite what

2740
02:02:39,400 --> 02:02:42,080
Speaker 1: some advertising might tell you, I mean, I do everything

2741
02:02:42,120 --> 02:02:44,760
Speaker 1: I watched my clothes with the you know, with the

2742
02:02:44,760 --> 02:02:48,240
Speaker 1: the no scent detergent. I wear no cent uh the odor,

2743
02:02:48,280 --> 02:02:51,040
Speaker 1: and I shower, I wear rubber boots. I don't put

2744
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:52,600
Speaker 1: my clothes until I getting the fell do all that

2745
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:56,320
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And and a lot of times, you know,

2746
02:02:56,320 --> 02:02:58,640
Speaker 1: most times it works, but there's some some cases where

2747
02:02:58,680 --> 02:03:00,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna get You're gonna get how good year you're

2748
02:03:00,840 --> 02:03:02,440
Speaker 1: going to get them a high end of the tree,

2749
02:03:02,680 --> 02:03:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, thermals changed, dropped, I made there. There are

2750
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:07,600
Speaker 1: many things that could happen, you know, where a deer

2751
02:03:07,640 --> 02:03:11,760
Speaker 1: can you know, can detection and bust you. And I've

2752
02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:16,200
Speaker 1: had situations where that, you know, the deer it changed

2753
02:03:16,240 --> 02:03:18,200
Speaker 1: a routine a little bit. I've had it where it changed,

2754
02:03:18,240 --> 02:03:20,880
Speaker 1: it changed it completely. So every every hunt situation is

2755
02:03:20,920 --> 02:03:23,400
Speaker 1: a little bit a little bit different, you know, And

2756
02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:26,120
Speaker 1: I guess one of them the best ways to figure

2757
02:03:26,160 --> 02:03:27,760
Speaker 1: that out is if you have bumped of deers, just

2758
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:31,160
Speaker 1: keep your cameras on it and and see if it

2759
02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:34,440
Speaker 1: if it's if it's changes routine any so, like if

2760
02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:36,200
Speaker 1: you and I were hunting this weekend and we went

2761
02:03:36,240 --> 02:03:38,440
Speaker 1: to a place and something, you know, something happened we

2762
02:03:38,440 --> 02:03:40,920
Speaker 1: were up in the stand and and right when the

2763
02:03:40,920 --> 02:03:43,440
Speaker 1: buck was coming in, something tell o the tree standing

2764
02:03:43,480 --> 02:03:45,840
Speaker 1: bumped it or or the wind switched and it it

2765
02:03:45,960 --> 02:03:48,160
Speaker 1: went in one of us and it took off and

2766
02:03:48,160 --> 02:03:50,000
Speaker 1: we were gonna hut the next weekend. What I would

2767
02:03:50,040 --> 02:03:51,880
Speaker 1: want to do is model thors cameras through the week

2768
02:03:51,920 --> 02:03:54,879
Speaker 1: and see, well, did that you know the lust pumpany?

2769
02:03:54,920 --> 02:03:56,520
Speaker 1: Did that changes routine? Did it make him come in

2770
02:03:56,600 --> 02:03:59,160
Speaker 1: or after dark? Did he completely changes travel route that

2771
02:03:59,320 --> 02:04:01,400
Speaker 1: you know what happened, And I'll tell you better what

2772
02:04:01,480 --> 02:04:02,960
Speaker 1: you need to you know what you need to do.

2773
02:04:04,080 --> 02:04:06,960
Speaker 1: But there was I mean, every bug everything, Like I said,

2774
02:04:07,000 --> 02:04:09,320
Speaker 1: every situation different. I mean, I'm not long ago. I

2775
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:11,720
Speaker 1: can't remember the I may get the names of the

2776
02:04:11,760 --> 02:04:13,440
Speaker 1: show or something wrong that they were. I think it

2777
02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:15,400
Speaker 1: might have been Lee and Tiffany. I think that Lee

2778
02:04:15,440 --> 02:04:18,520
Speaker 1: had shot a buck and it may not have been them,

2779
02:04:18,520 --> 02:04:20,520
Speaker 1: but I think it's been several years ago. But but

2780
02:04:20,560 --> 02:04:22,840
Speaker 1: he actually shot the buck and hit it, and um,

2781
02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:24,640
Speaker 1: it was during the rut and it was handling the dough,

2782
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:28,680
Speaker 1: and um, they couldn't they couldn't find it, and um,

2783
02:04:28,760 --> 02:04:30,680
Speaker 1: I went back got into he was sick, sick, about

2784
02:04:30,720 --> 02:04:32,120
Speaker 1: it went back, got in the same standard. He was

2785
02:04:32,200 --> 02:04:33,760
Speaker 1: just sick, I mean, just manage the that there just

2786
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:35,080
Speaker 1: to be answer because it was you know, during the

2787
02:04:35,120 --> 02:04:37,400
Speaker 1: rut and whatnot. And the buck comes through there and

2788
02:04:37,400 --> 02:04:39,320
Speaker 1: he killed the chasing another dough and it was it

2789
02:04:39,440 --> 02:04:42,280
Speaker 1: was it was wounded, you know, and it was still chasing,

2790
02:04:42,360 --> 02:04:44,800
Speaker 1: chasing does and he killed it. It It might I'm thinking

2791
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:46,600
Speaker 1: it was lativity, but it may have been another show.

2792
02:04:46,680 --> 02:04:50,400
Speaker 1: But um, a friend of mine, UM that hides up

2793
02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:52,960
Speaker 1: in Kansas. He killed a lot of big woppy bucks.

2794
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:55,320
Speaker 1: He's not a TV hunter, he's not a rider, he's

2795
02:04:55,320 --> 02:04:57,640
Speaker 1: not in the industry. And I'll be just a good friend.

2796
02:04:57,640 --> 02:04:59,760
Speaker 1: And he's killed you know, killed some you know, good deer.

2797
02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:02,400
Speaker 1: And he told me a story simular that happened to him,

2798
02:05:02,480 --> 02:05:04,360
Speaker 1: you know, several years ago where he made a he

2799
02:05:04,480 --> 02:05:07,520
Speaker 1: made a bad shot with a bow and U uh

2800
02:05:07,560 --> 02:05:10,360
Speaker 1: and was just sick over it. And um and sent

2801
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:12,640
Speaker 1: spent two days looking for the deer. Couldn't find it,

2802
02:05:12,680 --> 02:05:15,280
Speaker 1: you know, claude up couldn't find it. And he'd hit

2803
02:05:15,320 --> 02:05:17,840
Speaker 1: a limb and hit it, hit it uh way back

2804
02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:20,560
Speaker 1: and high and uh did got through you know, the

2805
02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:22,120
Speaker 1: vitals or anything, but I mean that you were still

2806
02:05:22,200 --> 02:05:26,200
Speaker 1: hit and it led pretty good and wasn't getting on camera,

2807
02:05:26,600 --> 02:05:28,280
Speaker 1: and it was just sick over and thought about not

2808
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:30,880
Speaker 1: even going on the next weekend. I mean just I

2809
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:33,080
Speaker 1: mean he just depressed about it. And but he went back,

2810
02:05:33,280 --> 02:05:35,040
Speaker 1: got in the stand and up killing the deer. I

2811
02:05:35,080 --> 02:05:36,840
Speaker 1: mean the deer come through there on on another dough

2812
02:05:37,600 --> 02:05:39,760
Speaker 1: and um, when they're in the ruts, aer Jenel and

2813
02:05:39,800 --> 02:05:42,200
Speaker 1: stuff's going. And I was done a hunt one time

2814
02:05:42,200 --> 02:05:44,920
Speaker 1: in Illinois, years and years and years ago, and um,

2815
02:05:45,040 --> 02:05:48,680
Speaker 1: Craig Morgan was there and Alex Rutledge and that's back

2816
02:05:48,720 --> 02:05:51,560
Speaker 1: when they were off with HSS and everything and and

2817
02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:55,200
Speaker 1: buy me the hum with them and Alex killed um,

2818
02:05:55,280 --> 02:05:57,400
Speaker 1: he killed a buck over a decoys about this time

2819
02:05:57,440 --> 02:05:59,800
Speaker 1: of the year. He came into a decoy fighting man

2820
02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:05,200
Speaker 1: and came up to the decoy. I'm pretty sure it

2821
02:06:05,320 --> 02:06:07,880
Speaker 1: attacked the decoy and Alex shot it with a boat.

2822
02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:10,760
Speaker 1: And I don't take it an attack to you. It

2823
02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:12,080
Speaker 1: was coming up to it was coming up to it

2824
02:06:12,120 --> 02:06:15,440
Speaker 1: to attack it, and all bristled up. I mean, the

2825
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:18,120
Speaker 1: drool coming out of its mouth. It's Frankenstein looking walk

2826
02:06:18,240 --> 02:06:21,760
Speaker 1: and he shoots it and makes a good shot on it,

2827
02:06:21,880 --> 02:06:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean smacks it. I mean it goes right to it.

2828
02:06:24,600 --> 02:06:27,360
Speaker 1: And you could see on the footage the deer standing there.

2829
02:06:27,680 --> 02:06:29,720
Speaker 1: It jumps a little bit where he got it, felt

2830
02:06:29,720 --> 02:06:31,680
Speaker 1: the impact of there, but didn't even know it ben't hit.

2831
02:06:32,160 --> 02:06:34,840
Speaker 1: It's sitting there just gushing mud out both sides. It

2832
02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:37,040
Speaker 1: lowers its head and attacks the decoy. It thought the

2833
02:06:37,080 --> 02:06:38,640
Speaker 1: decoy did that to it. It thought that the other

2834
02:06:38,720 --> 02:06:41,120
Speaker 1: bucket somehow did that to it, and it attacked the

2835
02:06:41,400 --> 02:06:44,000
Speaker 1: attacked the bug and it it rolled it and and

2836
02:06:44,040 --> 02:06:45,520
Speaker 1: it got to do that, it kind of jumped back

2837
02:06:45,560 --> 02:06:48,480
Speaker 1: and was looking and sidestepping and looking at going circle

2838
02:06:48,520 --> 02:06:50,240
Speaker 1: around like it was going to hit it again. And

2839
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:52,160
Speaker 1: it's lake started get a little bit wabbly, and it

2840
02:06:52,320 --> 02:06:53,800
Speaker 1: dropped them and die. They didn't know what it was,

2841
02:06:53,960 --> 02:06:57,280
Speaker 1: didn't know it was it. So I mean, but like

2842
02:06:57,320 --> 02:06:59,920
Speaker 1: I said, on that stuff, he just there's always a

2843
02:07:00,040 --> 02:07:02,520
Speaker 1: sessions to the rule. That's one thing I have learned

2844
02:07:02,520 --> 02:07:05,760
Speaker 1: about hunting in general, and bass fisher and thingl is.

2845
02:07:06,440 --> 02:07:08,560
Speaker 1: You know, over the years, I've had theories in my

2846
02:07:08,600 --> 02:07:10,920
Speaker 1: head that have been proven year in and year out,

2847
02:07:11,040 --> 02:07:12,880
Speaker 1: wrote about them, and all that kind of stuff. And

2848
02:07:12,880 --> 02:07:14,600
Speaker 1: and thought I had a pretty good grass and a thing.

2849
02:07:14,600 --> 02:07:16,640
Speaker 1: And then I find an exception to the rule where

2850
02:07:16,720 --> 02:07:18,880
Speaker 1: you know that that's not always a d percent of

2851
02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:23,400
Speaker 1: the time. It's not always what happens as Yeah, well,

2852
02:07:23,120 --> 02:07:25,600
Speaker 1: I give an example of that. I mean, not the

2853
02:07:25,680 --> 02:07:29,879
Speaker 1: change substry, but hunting around here. I'd always believe and

2854
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:33,520
Speaker 1: that big big bucks that have survived hunt pressure, survived

2855
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:37,040
Speaker 1: all the poach and we're smart, you know, elusive a

2856
02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:39,120
Speaker 1: lot of them, you know, nocturnal most of the year,

2857
02:07:39,200 --> 02:07:41,480
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. That those deer had a

2858
02:07:41,480 --> 02:07:45,720
Speaker 1: tight core area that they stayed in, and that's what

2859
02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:47,880
Speaker 1: kept them staye They new that area, you know, like

2860
02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:50,440
Speaker 1: you and I know our house. They knew every part

2861
02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:52,480
Speaker 1: of it. They knew how to travel the new work

2862
02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:54,480
Speaker 1: the pressure comes from. The new had to avoid the

2863
02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:56,720
Speaker 1: pressure and new were to bed, and they stayed in

2864
02:07:56,720 --> 02:07:59,880
Speaker 1: that general area. And you know the only thing that

2865
02:08:00,080 --> 02:08:02,320
Speaker 1: changing that pattern was were they were seeing that. And

2866
02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:04,200
Speaker 1: it obviously changed during the rud, you know, whenever we're

2867
02:08:04,200 --> 02:08:05,680
Speaker 1: going to look for those and that kind of stuff.

2868
02:08:05,680 --> 02:08:08,120
Speaker 1: But I mean, they had that core area that they

2869
02:08:08,160 --> 02:08:11,160
Speaker 1: stayed in, and I always assumed that it was a

2870
02:08:11,160 --> 02:08:14,640
Speaker 1: tight a tight area. Well, the last four or five years,

2871
02:08:15,320 --> 02:08:17,080
Speaker 1: my sons killed a couple of bucks. I've killed a

2872
02:08:17,080 --> 02:08:20,000
Speaker 1: couple of bucks that had unique cracks that had you know,

2873
02:08:20,080 --> 02:08:22,880
Speaker 1: like a kicker on the G two or or double

2874
02:08:22,920 --> 02:08:25,879
Speaker 1: brow times or bladed you know, something you can identify.

2875
02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of big deer, a big typical

2876
02:08:28,040 --> 02:08:29,640
Speaker 1: like you know, it's a little like that. We could look.

2877
02:08:29,680 --> 02:08:33,520
Speaker 1: You could get online and punch in big typical eight

2878
02:08:33,560 --> 02:08:37,000
Speaker 1: point white tail bucks and you have hundreds of pictures

2879
02:08:37,240 --> 02:08:39,320
Speaker 1: and and a lot of them. You could lay right

2880
02:08:39,360 --> 02:08:41,720
Speaker 1: on top of the other one, a big typical eight Well,

2881
02:08:41,880 --> 02:08:43,800
Speaker 1: you know there'll be a hundred deer if you find

2882
02:08:43,800 --> 02:08:46,400
Speaker 1: it looked like twins, you know that. But if they've

2883
02:08:46,440 --> 02:08:49,160
Speaker 1: got a unique rack, you know, like with with bladed

2884
02:08:49,240 --> 02:08:52,080
Speaker 1: G two or G three's got a kicker point or

2885
02:08:52,120 --> 02:08:55,520
Speaker 1: double brow, you know, it's very simle. You'll see another

2886
02:08:55,560 --> 02:08:58,080
Speaker 1: deer just identical to that. And we had pictures. He

2887
02:08:58,200 --> 02:08:59,680
Speaker 1: killed a real big buck and I killed a real

2888
02:08:59,720 --> 02:09:01,440
Speaker 1: big buck, and we had a ton of trail camp

2889
02:09:01,480 --> 02:09:05,640
Speaker 1: pictures of them, and uh, hunter's worst nightmare. You go

2890
02:09:05,640 --> 02:09:07,920
Speaker 1: through the places, you getting pictures. I'm consistently and three

2891
02:09:07,960 --> 02:09:09,280
Speaker 1: or four days go by and you don't have a

2892
02:09:09,280 --> 02:09:11,919
Speaker 1: picture of them, So I ran here. When that happens,

2893
02:09:11,960 --> 02:09:14,240
Speaker 1: the first thing we start, you think of the worst.

2894
02:09:14,240 --> 02:09:16,680
Speaker 1: You think somebody's stuck in her and they spotlighted it.

2895
02:09:16,760 --> 02:09:19,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's went across the roads. Mother guy

2896
02:09:19,120 --> 02:09:22,839
Speaker 1: shot it. You always you know, nightmare scenarios start unfolding.

2897
02:09:23,080 --> 02:09:24,800
Speaker 1: And and what's happened is that books just moved in

2898
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:27,480
Speaker 1: the area. And like I was saying, what defied my

2899
02:09:27,480 --> 02:09:31,280
Speaker 1: my theories on these tight quarias that two or three

2900
02:09:31,280 --> 02:09:33,640
Speaker 1: different books that we've killed. Other hunters in our area,

2901
02:09:33,640 --> 02:09:36,480
Speaker 1: if we've killed them, have came up to us and said,

2902
02:09:36,480 --> 02:09:38,960
Speaker 1: man I had choke CHOKEMP pictures that deer I believe,

2903
02:09:39,080 --> 02:09:40,760
Speaker 1: and you get up with them. They they send you

2904
02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:42,720
Speaker 1: the trail camp pictures and look at them and it's

2905
02:09:42,760 --> 02:09:46,040
Speaker 1: your deer. And um example, one of the ones my

2906
02:09:46,160 --> 02:09:48,440
Speaker 1: son killed I got. We we had it on cameras

2907
02:09:48,440 --> 02:09:50,200
Speaker 1: three days in the row. And this is not all

2908
02:09:50,240 --> 02:09:51,640
Speaker 1: people can say we have during the rut, you know,

2909
02:09:51,720 --> 02:09:54,120
Speaker 1: they go everywhere you have, they're their their core libingary

2910
02:09:54,160 --> 02:09:56,200
Speaker 1: does expand on the run. I'm not not that land

2911
02:09:56,200 --> 02:09:59,960
Speaker 1: at all. I've always known that, but this guy was

2912
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:02,480
Speaker 1: getting pictures of the deer way before the rud way,

2913
02:10:02,520 --> 02:10:05,200
Speaker 1: before the cruising and scouting stage, you know, phase of

2914
02:10:05,200 --> 02:10:06,880
Speaker 1: the road rights to looking for the dose. I mean

2915
02:10:06,920 --> 02:10:09,320
Speaker 1: just when they should be locked in the textbook feeding

2916
02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:12,320
Speaker 1: the bedding area, and I want the properties I'm talking about.

2917
02:10:12,840 --> 02:10:17,000
Speaker 1: It's eleven hundred acres locked up. Uh, there's there's we

2918
02:10:17,120 --> 02:10:19,440
Speaker 1: control it. There's no hunting pressure on it. I mean,

2919
02:10:19,480 --> 02:10:23,960
Speaker 1: we've got food plots. There's there's hard woods, there's there's thickets,

2920
02:10:24,040 --> 02:10:28,320
Speaker 1: there's alamato trees, there's apple trees, or semetries, mental licks,

2921
02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:32,120
Speaker 1: two ponds of creek. I mean, the any kind of

2922
02:10:32,480 --> 02:10:35,200
Speaker 1: terrain or atmosphere a buck would want to be and

2923
02:10:35,200 --> 02:10:36,720
Speaker 1: it's got it could do whatever it wants to do

2924
02:10:36,720 --> 02:10:39,520
Speaker 1: in an area zero hunting pressure. And yet those deer,

2925
02:10:39,800 --> 02:10:43,360
Speaker 1: that dear secret deer was leaving way before, like I said,

2926
02:10:43,400 --> 02:10:45,360
Speaker 1: way before the rud or anything like that, way before

2927
02:10:45,360 --> 02:10:47,840
Speaker 1: it was even thinking about those. It would disappear for

2928
02:10:47,880 --> 02:10:49,760
Speaker 1: two or three days and we start thinking something happened

2929
02:10:49,760 --> 02:10:51,320
Speaker 1: to it. And during that time that guy would get

2930
02:10:51,320 --> 02:10:53,680
Speaker 1: it on camera. It was it was six or seven

2931
02:10:53,720 --> 02:10:56,800
Speaker 1: miles away from from you know what we were hunting

2932
02:10:56,800 --> 02:10:59,240
Speaker 1: at and I know what I know it was that

2933
02:10:59,320 --> 02:11:01,720
Speaker 1: Dear I mean that that particular deer had a kicker

2934
02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:03,520
Speaker 1: on the sea two and had one side had a

2935
02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:06,040
Speaker 1: double brewl I mean, and the guy had a daytime

2936
02:11:06,080 --> 02:11:08,360
Speaker 1: pictures of it, and then he would he would he

2937
02:11:08,360 --> 02:11:10,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't get it on camera for three or four or

2938
02:11:10,120 --> 02:11:12,000
Speaker 1: five days. And during that time we were getting back

2939
02:11:12,040 --> 02:11:14,800
Speaker 1: on camera, and that deer was leaving, not because of

2940
02:11:14,880 --> 02:11:17,720
Speaker 1: hunting pressure, not because of food, because any food it

2941
02:11:17,760 --> 02:11:19,880
Speaker 1: could have been getting up there it had on the

2942
02:11:19,920 --> 02:11:21,720
Speaker 1: on the propect that we were at. But sometimes they

2943
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:23,080
Speaker 1: just row on and get out and they and they

2944
02:11:23,080 --> 02:11:26,400
Speaker 1: move around. He just like people or some people stay

2945
02:11:26,480 --> 02:11:28,800
Speaker 1: in one state their whole life and only ever leave

2946
02:11:28,840 --> 02:11:30,800
Speaker 1: their count unless they know nless they have to. And

2947
02:11:30,840 --> 02:11:32,520
Speaker 1: then there's other people that just like to get out

2948
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:34,720
Speaker 1: in Rome. I think dear nature that way too. But

2949
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:37,560
Speaker 1: all those years, I thought, you know that these big

2950
02:11:37,560 --> 02:11:39,440
Speaker 1: bucks staying in the tight core area. But I've had

2951
02:11:39,480 --> 02:11:41,280
Speaker 1: we've killed four or five bucks here that the other

2952
02:11:41,320 --> 02:11:45,440
Speaker 1: people for sure have had on camera prior to the rut,

2953
02:11:45,480 --> 02:11:47,600
Speaker 1: and even during the post rut. And I might talking

2954
02:11:47,640 --> 02:11:49,400
Speaker 1: about during the secondary part of the rud I'm talking

2955
02:11:49,400 --> 02:11:51,640
Speaker 1: about during the post rut when they really should be

2956
02:11:51,680 --> 02:11:55,480
Speaker 1: locked down to the feeding bed and patting and there,

2957
02:11:55,520 --> 02:11:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, get way out of the area that I

2958
02:11:57,640 --> 02:11:59,400
Speaker 1: thought was a core area. And so they moved a

2959
02:11:59,400 --> 02:12:01,800
Speaker 1: lot more than uh what I thought. So the thing

2960
02:12:01,880 --> 02:12:04,920
Speaker 1: about deering is if you if you're want of these people,

2961
02:12:04,920 --> 02:12:08,480
Speaker 1: you've killed some big deer and and you get cocky

2962
02:12:08,520 --> 02:12:11,040
Speaker 1: and you think you know everything about about deer. And

2963
02:12:11,640 --> 02:12:14,560
Speaker 1: I've never felt that way. I try to learn every

2964
02:12:14,560 --> 02:12:16,480
Speaker 1: time I go in the worlds. I try to learn something.

2965
02:12:16,800 --> 02:12:18,920
Speaker 1: And I do have theories that that I've held true

2966
02:12:18,960 --> 02:12:22,480
Speaker 1: and whatnot on on patterns and behavior and and you know,

2967
02:12:22,520 --> 02:12:25,480
Speaker 1: in tendencies and stuff like that. But there's always exceptions

2968
02:12:25,520 --> 02:12:27,720
Speaker 1: to the rule, always exceptions to the rule, and that

2969
02:12:28,000 --> 02:12:29,800
Speaker 1: so when when you if you think you know everything

2970
02:12:29,840 --> 02:12:32,360
Speaker 1: there is to know, then you're you're you're hurting yourself

2971
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:34,720
Speaker 1: as a deer hunter, because you need to grow, You

2972
02:12:34,760 --> 02:12:37,040
Speaker 1: need to learn every because and you need to have

2973
02:12:37,080 --> 02:12:38,200
Speaker 1: it in the back of your head and be open

2974
02:12:38,240 --> 02:12:40,840
Speaker 1: mine the best stuff. There's always exceptions to the rule

2975
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:44,360
Speaker 1: and stuff. So speaking of exceptions to the rule, then

2976
02:12:44,440 --> 02:12:48,440
Speaker 1: and I think you're d right on that um. Speaking

2977
02:12:48,440 --> 02:12:51,640
Speaker 1: of exceptions to the rule, is there anything that you

2978
02:12:51,760 --> 02:12:57,400
Speaker 1: do during the rut that people would think is outside

2979
02:12:57,440 --> 02:12:59,600
Speaker 1: of the ordinary that would be an exception to the rule.

2980
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:01,440
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you do the other people think

2981
02:13:01,560 --> 02:13:08,200
Speaker 1: is crazy or just you've got them? I guess the

2982
02:13:08,920 --> 02:13:10,240
Speaker 1: which we kind of hit on it a a little bit,

2983
02:13:10,280 --> 02:13:12,520
Speaker 1: the um. I won't think that the different in those concettas,

2984
02:13:12,560 --> 02:13:15,160
Speaker 1: I will try to simulate, like if a buck's chasing about,

2985
02:13:15,200 --> 02:13:18,440
Speaker 1: I'll kind of do that, and I kind of and

2986
02:13:18,480 --> 02:13:21,840
Speaker 1: when I first started doing that, had them and like

2987
02:13:21,880 --> 02:13:23,320
Speaker 1: I said, you feel goof you're doing and there you

2988
02:13:23,360 --> 02:13:25,400
Speaker 1: are stopping through the woods and you're grunting and doing

2989
02:13:25,400 --> 02:13:28,160
Speaker 1: an extra stone bleeping whatnot, You're breaking station duk kind

2990
02:13:28,160 --> 02:13:30,360
Speaker 1: of stuff. You just feel like a moron after doing anything.

2991
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:33,600
Speaker 1: I hope nobody's seeing this, but it adds realism to

2992
02:13:33,680 --> 02:13:35,480
Speaker 1: your to your setup, in it, in it and it

2993
02:13:35,600 --> 02:13:38,200
Speaker 1: actually you know, it actually works. That's one thing that

2994
02:13:38,520 --> 02:13:41,080
Speaker 1: I do different, But it goes against every I'm always

2995
02:13:41,600 --> 02:13:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, I got kind of got like a sniper mentality.

2996
02:13:44,360 --> 02:13:47,120
Speaker 1: I want to get into a place, you know, quietly,

2997
02:13:47,280 --> 02:13:49,800
Speaker 1: I want to take the shot, make one shot, make

2998
02:13:49,880 --> 02:13:52,480
Speaker 1: an athical shot. Make it count and get out. I

2999
02:13:52,640 --> 02:13:54,680
Speaker 1: make any make any noise I may hit. My dad

3000
02:13:54,760 --> 02:13:56,560
Speaker 1: will be one of that area. Maybe one more and

3001
02:13:56,600 --> 02:13:59,040
Speaker 1: one duck. I want to get any get out. I

3002
02:13:59,200 --> 02:14:02,080
Speaker 1: tried ill he's we talked about, you know, getting to

3003
02:14:02,200 --> 02:14:04,360
Speaker 1: your stands and stuff. I always I take the time

3004
02:14:04,440 --> 02:14:08,320
Speaker 1: to cut out any any briers, clean pass that I

3005
02:14:08,360 --> 02:14:10,120
Speaker 1: can use to get in there and not make anyon ones.

3006
02:14:10,120 --> 02:14:12,000
Speaker 1: Don't even use the flyshlot. I an't get myries without

3007
02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:15,400
Speaker 1: a flyshlot. I will go in. I want to sneak in.

3008
02:14:15,520 --> 02:14:17,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to disturb anything going in or disturb

3009
02:14:17,480 --> 02:14:20,240
Speaker 1: anything going out. And that goes against every fiber of

3010
02:14:20,360 --> 02:14:21,760
Speaker 1: my body. When you get out there and you're breaking

3011
02:14:21,800 --> 02:14:23,680
Speaker 1: sticks and you're grunt and you're making that noise, and

3012
02:14:23,840 --> 02:14:25,560
Speaker 1: because in the back of your money thinking I'm screwing

3013
02:14:25,640 --> 02:14:27,200
Speaker 1: this place up, you know, I'm making all this rack

3014
02:14:27,280 --> 02:14:30,120
Speaker 1: and all this noise, and you know I probably ran

3015
02:14:30,200 --> 02:14:32,080
Speaker 1: a deer off. That's what's what goes through your head.

3016
02:14:32,720 --> 02:14:35,240
Speaker 1: But if, like my son said when he was selling

3017
02:14:35,280 --> 02:14:36,880
Speaker 1: me do at the time he said that, I said,

3018
02:14:36,960 --> 02:14:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, but because he's been in the standing and

3019
02:14:39,600 --> 02:14:41,880
Speaker 1: witnessed that he's witnessed, you know, a buck chasing that

3020
02:14:41,920 --> 02:14:43,800
Speaker 1: I was doing a team and grunt and saying here

3021
02:14:43,800 --> 02:14:45,080
Speaker 1: and I don't do an astra stoll bleak and all

3022
02:14:45,120 --> 02:14:47,640
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And when you see melate that

3023
02:14:47,800 --> 02:14:49,960
Speaker 1: and you're breaking the sticks, you're and you're but you

3024
02:14:50,080 --> 02:14:52,040
Speaker 1: go rustle through the waves, and you're trying to sound

3025
02:14:52,080 --> 02:14:53,840
Speaker 1: like deer, you know, trotting through there, trying to sound

3026
02:14:53,880 --> 02:14:55,760
Speaker 1: like it sound like a deer. And he said, you know,

3027
02:14:56,000 --> 02:14:58,360
Speaker 1: close your eyes. That sounded identical to that, and and

3028
02:14:58,640 --> 02:15:00,360
Speaker 1: you know, and it works sometimes. So I one of

3029
02:15:00,400 --> 02:15:01,960
Speaker 1: the guests, I guess the one of the things I

3030
02:15:02,040 --> 02:15:04,360
Speaker 1: think that's kind of it's kind of off the wall.

3031
02:15:05,200 --> 02:15:08,880
Speaker 1: Um uh. One of the other things I do. I

3032
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:10,880
Speaker 1: think that you'll be a lot different than a lot

3033
02:15:10,920 --> 02:15:14,440
Speaker 1: of people talk about hunting all day and and you know,

3034
02:15:14,760 --> 02:15:18,240
Speaker 1: and they really don't. They'll hunt, you know, before before daylight,

3035
02:15:18,280 --> 02:15:20,520
Speaker 1: and I'll hunt until you know, two or three o'clock

3036
02:15:20,520 --> 02:15:22,520
Speaker 1: in the day and they'll we'll wear down, get hungry

3037
02:15:22,520 --> 02:15:24,520
Speaker 1: and they'll leave. But I'll do a lot of a

3038
02:15:24,600 --> 02:15:26,920
Speaker 1: lot of sense from from before daylight after dark. And

3039
02:15:26,960 --> 02:15:29,640
Speaker 1: it's tough, I mean, it's it's it's tough to do those.

3040
02:15:29,760 --> 02:15:33,280
Speaker 1: But but I mean during the rut you need I mean,

3041
02:15:33,480 --> 02:15:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, pre rut, No, you don't have Tonday lots

3042
02:15:36,040 --> 02:15:37,440
Speaker 1: to dark, you know you do. You need to follow

3043
02:15:37,440 --> 02:15:39,760
Speaker 1: your cameras. They are more on a predictable walk down,

3044
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, pad of feem, the bend pattern. But but

3045
02:15:42,440 --> 02:15:45,200
Speaker 1: when when the rud's end, there's breeding activity, and especially

3046
02:15:45,200 --> 02:15:46,640
Speaker 1: the fact that there are so many other hunters in

3047
02:15:46,680 --> 02:15:49,040
Speaker 1: the woods, you need to stay in there as long

3048
02:15:49,120 --> 02:15:50,600
Speaker 1: as you can stay in there. If you can hunt

3049
02:15:50,640 --> 02:15:52,440
Speaker 1: to day not to dark, do it. You need to

3050
02:15:52,480 --> 02:15:54,200
Speaker 1: stay because you just never know what's going to happen.

3051
02:15:55,400 --> 02:15:58,720
Speaker 1: Hard You hard to argue with that. Just if there's

3052
02:15:58,760 --> 02:16:01,600
Speaker 1: nothing else that comes down down to it. During the rut,

3053
02:16:01,680 --> 02:16:04,320
Speaker 1: it's being in the tree, being there to be present

3054
02:16:04,360 --> 02:16:07,200
Speaker 1: for the opportunity when it comes. Yeah, that's exactly right.

3055
02:16:07,240 --> 02:16:08,680
Speaker 1: You can't kill him at home. I can't shoot them

3056
02:16:08,720 --> 02:16:10,360
Speaker 1: off the couch. You need to be up there and

3057
02:16:10,680 --> 02:16:14,040
Speaker 1: end the past. I hunted with um. I had the

3058
02:16:14,080 --> 02:16:16,280
Speaker 1: moment you two times in my life, and one of

3059
02:16:16,320 --> 02:16:19,280
Speaker 1: the times was during during gunstingy I hunted with which

3060
02:16:19,360 --> 02:16:21,280
Speaker 1: is crazy. I don't recommend that I'm actually I could

3061
02:16:21,360 --> 02:16:24,720
Speaker 1: kill you, but I did it because you know, um

3062
02:16:25,240 --> 02:16:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, I am it out in the ride or

3063
02:16:26,560 --> 02:16:28,160
Speaker 1: I have done TV stuff like that kind of thing.

3064
02:16:28,240 --> 02:16:29,840
Speaker 1: But I've also been a teacher in my whole life,

3065
02:16:29,920 --> 02:16:32,560
Speaker 1: and and and being a teacher you get X amount

3066
02:16:32,600 --> 02:16:34,680
Speaker 1: of sick days and the X amount of personal days

3067
02:16:34,760 --> 02:16:38,520
Speaker 1: and whatnot. And I went to school, you know, definitely sick,

3068
02:16:39,000 --> 02:16:41,040
Speaker 1: because if my principal knew when I was, when I

3069
02:16:41,120 --> 02:16:43,000
Speaker 1: was in the classroom that if I called in sick,

3070
02:16:43,280 --> 02:16:45,240
Speaker 1: I was either going fishing or going on I mean

3071
02:16:45,320 --> 02:16:47,800
Speaker 1: that they do that. I didn't have to lie to

3072
02:16:47,879 --> 02:16:49,800
Speaker 1: I never did tell me, ay, I'm sick. You know,

3073
02:16:49,879 --> 02:16:52,440
Speaker 1: technically you're not supposed to you're not supposed to take

3074
02:16:52,640 --> 02:16:54,320
Speaker 1: you know, sick days to kind of do that stuff

3075
02:16:54,320 --> 02:16:56,240
Speaker 1: that you calate all the sick days and for yours,

3076
02:16:56,280 --> 02:16:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, you can use them, so it's not counting

3077
02:16:58,160 --> 02:17:00,400
Speaker 1: against anybody. So but my prince wasn't I didn't have

3078
02:17:00,440 --> 02:17:04,080
Speaker 1: to fake a call for they knew that that Travis

3079
02:17:04,120 --> 02:17:07,280
Speaker 1: Watter's calling it that he's definitely going deer hunting or

3080
02:17:07,440 --> 02:17:10,560
Speaker 1: turkey unting or bass fishing or something like that. And um,

3081
02:17:10,920 --> 02:17:13,280
Speaker 1: saw went the school definitely stick of save my days.

3082
02:17:13,360 --> 02:17:15,280
Speaker 1: And I've hunted and you can't always control me. I

3083
02:17:15,320 --> 02:17:18,440
Speaker 1: found UH. I used to coach basketball and I was

3084
02:17:18,480 --> 02:17:21,440
Speaker 1: assistant coach on the varsity one year, and and UH

3085
02:17:21,640 --> 02:17:24,960
Speaker 1: played basketball in my entire life, coached that, that all

3086
02:17:24,959 --> 02:17:26,800
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And UH, at the time I

3087
02:17:26,920 --> 02:17:29,400
Speaker 1: was coaching, our second string was a lot weaker than

3088
02:17:29,640 --> 02:17:31,840
Speaker 1: the first five. So the varsity coach would want me

3089
02:17:31,959 --> 02:17:34,640
Speaker 1: to take the second string and played, you know, on

3090
02:17:34,760 --> 02:17:38,840
Speaker 1: their team and and scrimmage the first five, and um,

3091
02:17:39,160 --> 02:17:41,879
Speaker 1: you know, because I was a pretty good player and whatnot.

3092
02:17:41,879 --> 02:17:43,959
Speaker 1: I say he'd used me for that. And I've done

3093
02:17:43,959 --> 02:17:45,760
Speaker 1: that a lot and enjoyed doing That's a good exercise

3094
02:17:45,800 --> 02:17:47,920
Speaker 1: for deer and everything. But I remember one year, UH

3095
02:17:48,240 --> 02:17:50,800
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting on doing that and I didn't have my

3096
02:17:50,879 --> 02:17:54,280
Speaker 1: high talk basketball shoes with me, and he said, needs

3097
02:17:54,320 --> 02:17:56,520
Speaker 1: to go to that. We said, we, I know, practice schedule,

3098
02:17:56,560 --> 02:17:58,480
Speaker 1: We hadn't planned on on doing this, but he said,

3099
02:17:58,560 --> 02:18:01,320
Speaker 1: you know, I decide with you know, some things going

3100
02:18:01,480 --> 02:18:03,160
Speaker 1: on wrong. I need to see it. You know, when

3101
02:18:03,200 --> 02:18:06,680
Speaker 1: a game scenarios, I need you to go today. I said, coach,

3102
02:18:06,680 --> 02:18:08,240
Speaker 1: I ain't going. I don't have my eyetops. He said,

3103
02:18:08,280 --> 02:18:10,160
Speaker 1: he's where did you? We'll just go, you know, a

3104
02:18:10,280 --> 02:18:11,680
Speaker 1: quarter or two, he's, I just need to see a

3105
02:18:11,720 --> 02:18:13,400
Speaker 1: couple of things you said, He said, you should be

3106
02:18:13,480 --> 02:18:16,800
Speaker 1: all right. Played the whole life. I've had stitches. Well,

3107
02:18:16,800 --> 02:18:19,200
Speaker 1: I dove all those balls and elbowed all that kind

3108
02:18:19,200 --> 02:18:22,879
Speaker 1: of stuff. Never had a turned ankle's aggressive as I played?

3109
02:18:22,920 --> 02:18:24,840
Speaker 1: Ever had a turned ankle, Bobby Dagon if I didn't.

3110
02:18:25,160 --> 02:18:28,720
Speaker 1: But the third play into into a scrimmage, and I

3111
02:18:28,800 --> 02:18:30,680
Speaker 1: turned my ankles on back. I mean it swell ups,

3112
02:18:30,680 --> 02:18:33,000
Speaker 1: so back and then get my shoe on, and uh

3113
02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:35,640
Speaker 1: I got my boot on. I thought that ever happened

3114
02:18:35,680 --> 02:18:37,680
Speaker 1: on a Friday Saturday morning, hunted and I killed a

3115
02:18:37,720 --> 02:18:39,440
Speaker 1: deer and my cut. I never forget this. My cousin

3116
02:18:39,520 --> 02:18:41,640
Speaker 1: killed up to me and and he drove in that

3117
02:18:41,720 --> 02:18:44,760
Speaker 1: place separately. And back then where we sign up we

3118
02:18:44,879 --> 02:18:47,840
Speaker 1: have seal reservice. We had the you know the radios,

3119
02:18:47,840 --> 02:18:51,000
Speaker 1: the Waltman radio's type dealing. And I've raid up to

3120
02:18:51,040 --> 02:18:53,040
Speaker 1: my killed one and I was headed out and he said,

3121
02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:54,680
Speaker 1: I'll meet you back at the truck. And I considered

3122
02:18:54,720 --> 02:18:56,240
Speaker 1: pulling that deer. He said, but what's wrong with did

3123
02:18:56,280 --> 02:18:58,360
Speaker 1: you hurt yourself? And I said, I hurt myself Friday.

3124
02:18:58,879 --> 02:19:01,320
Speaker 1: I told him what I did. You can just try

3125
02:19:01,320 --> 02:19:03,320
Speaker 1: to take with a lot about too bad. Well, I

3126
02:19:03,400 --> 02:19:06,000
Speaker 1: pulled my boot off the show him and just he

3127
02:19:06,080 --> 02:19:08,360
Speaker 1: said here and he's I cannot believe you're in the wood.

3128
02:19:08,360 --> 02:19:10,080
Speaker 1: He how you even walk? I mean we look like

3129
02:19:10,120 --> 02:19:12,800
Speaker 1: a balloon. But you know, you gotta you gotta do

3130
02:19:12,879 --> 02:19:14,240
Speaker 1: what you gotta do. You know, I could have laid

3131
02:19:14,240 --> 02:19:16,400
Speaker 1: there at home, felt surf myself and my ankles heard

3132
02:19:16,560 --> 02:19:18,200
Speaker 1: or you know, I'm wore out. I've had a rough

3133
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:20,800
Speaker 1: week at work and we've all been there. We've all

3134
02:19:20,840 --> 02:19:23,080
Speaker 1: been It's hard to work hard all week and then

3135
02:19:23,200 --> 02:19:25,600
Speaker 1: get up even earlier on a Saturday, you know, and hunt.

3136
02:19:26,200 --> 02:19:28,080
Speaker 1: But if it's during the rut, you know, if you

3137
02:19:28,160 --> 02:19:30,360
Speaker 1: love deer hunting like we do, you've got to be

3138
02:19:30,440 --> 02:19:32,520
Speaker 1: out there. I mean, it's just stoll is to it.

3139
02:19:32,800 --> 02:19:36,680
Speaker 1: Perseverance will kill you more dear than then then out

3140
02:19:36,680 --> 02:19:38,560
Speaker 1: anything else you can do, and you've got to, You've

3141
02:19:38,600 --> 02:19:40,280
Speaker 1: got to. You've just gotta put yourself in the in

3142
02:19:40,360 --> 02:19:42,320
Speaker 1: a situation where you can get a shout opportunity, and

3143
02:19:42,360 --> 02:19:44,160
Speaker 1: you sure can't do that at home. Yeah, that that

3144
02:19:44,320 --> 02:19:47,240
Speaker 1: might be the best run hunting advice we've had yet.

3145
02:19:47,360 --> 02:19:49,880
Speaker 1: And that's pretty fitting place to wrap it up to.

3146
02:19:50,200 --> 02:19:53,440
Speaker 1: So now, Travis, this has been this has been great.

3147
02:19:53,680 --> 02:19:56,040
Speaker 1: I've I've really enjoyed it. So so thank you for

3148
02:19:56,160 --> 02:19:58,600
Speaker 1: taking into we're talking to you today. I said I

3149
02:19:58,640 --> 02:20:00,520
Speaker 1: could do this. I could do this all day long.

3150
02:20:00,640 --> 02:20:04,320
Speaker 1: I mean, um, kind of get excited sometimes you're talking.

3151
02:20:04,959 --> 02:20:07,640
Speaker 1: When you bring up a certain scenario or something about

3152
02:20:07,640 --> 02:20:09,600
Speaker 1: twenty different things right there your head, you just can't

3153
02:20:09,720 --> 02:20:11,800
Speaker 1: just can't cover at all. But I think we've done

3154
02:20:11,840 --> 02:20:14,960
Speaker 1: a pretty good job today, you know, covering, covering. You know,

3155
02:20:15,480 --> 02:20:17,280
Speaker 1: the taxes of the people need running ow to get on,

3156
02:20:17,520 --> 02:20:18,800
Speaker 1: get on the big one to kill one all the

3157
02:20:18,840 --> 02:20:20,640
Speaker 1: way up through the through the end of the rut.

3158
02:20:20,760 --> 02:20:24,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I'm gonna try I'm heading out probably

3159
02:20:24,400 --> 02:20:26,800
Speaker 1: about half hour and head out and get after it myself.

3160
02:20:26,840 --> 02:20:30,360
Speaker 1: And I might try that rubbing or grunting rub idea

3161
02:20:30,760 --> 02:20:32,680
Speaker 1: if I see my big my big target buck off

3162
02:20:32,720 --> 02:20:34,920
Speaker 1: in the distance. So I'll let you know if that works. Yeah,

3163
02:20:35,080 --> 02:20:36,560
Speaker 1: keep me posts, man, I hope you helpe you knock

3164
02:20:36,640 --> 02:20:39,640
Speaker 1: him in the dirt. Appreciate Travis well, if folks want

3165
02:20:39,680 --> 02:20:42,480
Speaker 1: to read your writing or see the things you're up to,

3166
02:20:42,640 --> 02:20:44,760
Speaker 1: is there any particular place they should keep an eye

3167
02:20:44,760 --> 02:20:46,959
Speaker 1: out for that in the future. Yeah, there's a at

3168
02:20:47,320 --> 02:20:49,240
Speaker 1: do a lot of oracles from North American whitetail do

3169
02:20:49,520 --> 02:20:51,600
Speaker 1: outdoor life, the stuff with the bugs on the out

3170
02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:55,680
Speaker 1: in their life, you know, stuff like that, And you

3171
02:20:55,720 --> 02:20:57,400
Speaker 1: can probably just google my name. I think a lot

3172
02:20:57,440 --> 02:20:59,080
Speaker 1: of the some of the shows or if stay buried

3173
02:20:59,120 --> 02:21:00,880
Speaker 1: on the TV and stuff like, they rerun them on

3174
02:21:00,959 --> 02:21:02,680
Speaker 1: where you can get them online. And some of my

3175
02:21:02,760 --> 02:21:05,920
Speaker 1: hunters and stuff wrong a lone where you can look

3176
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:07,920
Speaker 1: them up and watch the end of that kind of thing.

3177
02:21:08,040 --> 02:21:12,440
Speaker 1: But um, you usually google on that you can put

3178
02:21:12,520 --> 02:21:14,039
Speaker 1: up some articles and stuff. They can taking a lot

3179
02:21:14,040 --> 02:21:15,920
Speaker 1: of the magazines you know about did they put a

3180
02:21:15,920 --> 02:21:17,480
Speaker 1: lot and put them online? If they come off the

3181
02:21:17,720 --> 02:21:20,480
Speaker 1: off the standing out the magazine put them online, so perfect.

3182
02:21:20,520 --> 02:21:23,680
Speaker 1: A lot of stuff after like that. So all right, well,

3183
02:21:23,720 --> 02:21:26,520
Speaker 1: I'll make sure to let folks know where they can

3184
02:21:26,720 --> 02:21:28,680
Speaker 1: they can find all that. And I've been following you

3185
02:21:28,800 --> 02:21:31,360
Speaker 1: for years and I've always enjoyed your your perspective and

3186
02:21:31,400 --> 02:21:34,879
Speaker 1: the articles you've written, so thanks for doing that. I've

3187
02:21:34,920 --> 02:21:37,560
Speaker 1: done the same to you. I trying to follow you.

3188
02:21:37,800 --> 02:21:40,400
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't realize that I get your podcast

3189
02:21:40,480 --> 02:21:43,400
Speaker 1: live there. I'm gonna start listening to a lot. It's

3190
02:21:43,440 --> 02:21:45,200
Speaker 1: a you know, out of me on to do it.

3191
02:21:45,240 --> 02:21:47,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I throw done some research out look at

3192
02:21:47,160 --> 02:21:48,560
Speaker 1: the man, You've got a good thing going. I'm gonna

3193
02:21:48,640 --> 02:21:50,720
Speaker 1: definitely be checking in out from here on out. Yeah,

3194
02:21:50,720 --> 02:21:53,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate that we've It's been a lot of funs.

3195
02:21:53,400 --> 02:21:55,280
Speaker 1: Definitely give me an opportunity to learn from a lot

3196
02:21:55,360 --> 02:21:57,720
Speaker 1: of great hunters. And uh, i'd say today we add

3197
02:21:57,760 --> 02:22:00,920
Speaker 1: one more list, So we thank you. Do you wanna

3198
02:22:01,120 --> 02:22:02,600
Speaker 1: do you want to hear one joke before we go,

3199
02:22:05,720 --> 02:22:07,880
Speaker 1: I'll give you a deer hunting joke. There was a

3200
02:22:08,680 --> 02:22:10,360
Speaker 1: these two guys were hunting in a certain area and

3201
02:22:10,400 --> 02:22:12,960
Speaker 1: they got all of this this monster buck boon a

3202
02:22:13,000 --> 02:22:15,840
Speaker 1: truck at buck, you know, buck of a lifetime, and

3203
02:22:17,280 --> 02:22:20,080
Speaker 1: they both had permission up there area and and everything,

3204
02:22:20,200 --> 02:22:23,160
Speaker 1: and they were decided that you know that they would

3205
02:22:23,160 --> 02:22:24,600
Speaker 1: flip for it. Who was gonna get to kill it?

3206
02:22:24,760 --> 02:22:26,640
Speaker 1: You know that would feel if they wanted to film it,

3207
02:22:26,680 --> 02:22:28,200
Speaker 1: they want filming for a show. I thought, if they

3208
02:22:28,240 --> 02:22:29,720
Speaker 1: just wanted to have it, you know, have that hunt

3209
02:22:29,760 --> 02:22:32,760
Speaker 1: as a as a keepsake. So they flipped for it.

3210
02:22:32,879 --> 02:22:35,240
Speaker 1: One guy. One other guy lost, and they were gonna

3211
02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:38,760
Speaker 1: hunt for that weekend. Um Li was up in the

3212
02:22:38,800 --> 02:22:41,400
Speaker 1: weekend and gun Steasons. They going there and they they

3213
02:22:42,080 --> 02:22:44,480
Speaker 1: got a blind up overlooking this little winter wheat field.

3214
02:22:45,120 --> 02:22:46,920
Speaker 1: It's adjacent to this road. It goes up against this

3215
02:22:47,000 --> 02:22:49,039
Speaker 1: big thicket, and that buck had been coming out right

3216
02:22:49,080 --> 02:22:51,000
Speaker 1: there near the road and coming right out, you know,

3217
02:22:51,360 --> 02:22:53,200
Speaker 1: in the in the morning times of Teton and and

3218
02:22:53,440 --> 02:22:55,720
Speaker 1: and you know said check for those looking for those

3219
02:22:55,760 --> 02:22:58,160
Speaker 1: and whatnot. And they had it on camera. So they

3220
02:22:58,200 --> 02:23:00,800
Speaker 1: were just you know, fired up about Erica. They knew that,

3221
02:23:00,959 --> 02:23:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, they were gonna get it on film. And

3222
02:23:02,360 --> 02:23:04,959
Speaker 1: the guy's gonna get to shoot it. So they're getting

3223
02:23:04,959 --> 02:23:06,879
Speaker 1: their way. Poor daylight gets set up. They're up there

3224
02:23:07,760 --> 02:23:09,600
Speaker 1: in a in a shooting house. They put my big

3225
02:23:09,640 --> 02:23:11,320
Speaker 1: shoot house up and they're gonna do it right, you know,

3226
02:23:11,320 --> 02:23:13,119
Speaker 1: I'll be in beverefit rain or whatever. They're gonna get

3227
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:14,560
Speaker 1: out there. So they're up there in the shooting house

3228
02:23:14,600 --> 02:23:17,640
Speaker 1: and everything's going on, and in uh start breaking daylight

3229
02:23:18,720 --> 02:23:20,600
Speaker 1: first part of the morning. They seen some doughs whatnot,

3230
02:23:20,800 --> 02:23:23,800
Speaker 1: and and a little activity and got up that bed morning,

3231
02:23:24,120 --> 02:23:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, and they've been getting a lot of bid

3232
02:23:25,680 --> 02:23:28,040
Speaker 1: morning active younger trail cameras something. You know, this this

3233
02:23:28,160 --> 02:23:31,600
Speaker 1: is gonna be it, sure enough, ten thirty levenclock in

3234
02:23:31,640 --> 02:23:35,080
Speaker 1: the morning. Buck steps out there. It is how you're

3235
02:23:35,120 --> 02:23:36,960
Speaker 1: yawing it? How yall? The guy gets carried. Yeah, I'm

3236
02:23:37,000 --> 02:23:38,920
Speaker 1: on I'm on it, I'm on it. And he and

3237
02:23:38,959 --> 02:23:40,880
Speaker 1: he said, let's get some potage. Other it sits out there,

3238
02:23:40,920 --> 02:23:42,800
Speaker 1: it comes out, you know, real cautious life. And I'm

3239
02:23:42,879 --> 02:23:45,280
Speaker 1: looking around and cool up. Tharrel goes up to a

3240
02:23:45,400 --> 02:23:48,200
Speaker 1: doll and and uh comes up in behind her and

3241
02:23:48,280 --> 02:23:50,600
Speaker 1: she kind of trots off and and it's standing out

3242
02:23:50,640 --> 02:23:52,880
Speaker 1: there and they're getting all that on film, and the

3243
02:23:52,959 --> 02:23:55,400
Speaker 1: guy clicks his safety off. These guys are gonna up

3244
02:23:55,400 --> 02:23:57,720
Speaker 1: from the shooting sticks and is getting ready to shoot

3245
02:23:58,000 --> 02:24:01,160
Speaker 1: and he looks up to the porners hire comes but

3246
02:24:01,360 --> 02:24:03,800
Speaker 1: the traffic down that road. But they were used to

3247
02:24:03,840 --> 02:24:05,800
Speaker 1: that traffic, you know, their backs were to that road,

3248
02:24:05,879 --> 02:24:08,080
Speaker 1: so they didn't freak you marrything. But he looked and

3249
02:24:08,160 --> 02:24:11,760
Speaker 1: it was a funeral procession, you know. Flags up on

3250
02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:14,160
Speaker 1: the on the car, lights on you you know, other

3251
02:24:14,200 --> 02:24:15,760
Speaker 1: cars were pulled up to the road. It's went up

3252
02:24:15,800 --> 02:24:19,360
Speaker 1: through there. The guy looks at it, looks back through

3253
02:24:19,400 --> 02:24:22,039
Speaker 1: the scope, looks back at the cars again, looks back

3254
02:24:22,040 --> 02:24:23,760
Speaker 1: at his scope, and his buddy's thinking, why is he

3255
02:24:23,879 --> 02:24:25,280
Speaker 1: not Why is he not shooting it? Why is he

3256
02:24:25,360 --> 02:24:28,360
Speaker 1: not shooting it? So he he looks back at the

3257
02:24:28,760 --> 02:24:31,880
Speaker 1: at the funeral session again, stops, takes off his hat,

3258
02:24:32,480 --> 02:24:35,360
Speaker 1: puts up against his chest, bows his head, and starts praying,

3259
02:24:35,520 --> 02:24:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, then a little silent prayer. And his buddy

3260
02:24:37,640 --> 02:24:39,240
Speaker 1: just can't believe it. You know, those guys that die

3261
02:24:39,320 --> 02:24:41,880
Speaker 1: hard hunter, they've looked for the all season. There the

3262
02:24:41,920 --> 02:24:44,280
Speaker 1: buck is he could shoot it, and and and he's

3263
02:24:44,280 --> 02:24:47,920
Speaker 1: doing They just couldn't believe he's doing that. So, uh,

3264
02:24:48,320 --> 02:24:50,640
Speaker 1: the buck left during that time, and he didn't get

3265
02:24:50,680 --> 02:24:53,600
Speaker 1: the shot, and the cars went by, and and the

3266
02:24:53,640 --> 02:24:56,120
Speaker 1: buddy said, man said, I'm kind of proud of you

3267
02:24:56,120 --> 02:24:58,360
Speaker 1: in a way because you know that I showed great respect,

3268
02:24:58,440 --> 02:25:00,040
Speaker 1: you know, for that funeral things. But I just I

3269
02:25:00,080 --> 02:25:01,600
Speaker 1: just can't leave. You didn't shoot it. I just can't

3270
02:25:01,680 --> 02:25:04,160
Speaker 1: leave you didn't shoot that deer. And he said, well,

3271
02:25:04,640 --> 02:25:07,000
Speaker 1: he's like I kind of failed. Obligated. He said obligated

3272
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:09,760
Speaker 1: And he said, what do you mean obligated to shower? Said,

3273
02:25:09,800 --> 02:25:11,800
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? He said, well, man, listen,

3274
02:25:11,879 --> 02:25:14,080
Speaker 1: he said. I was married to her for twenty five years.

3275
02:25:19,520 --> 02:25:25,240
Speaker 1: He was at the run like that. I got Runnell

3276
02:25:25,360 --> 02:25:29,680
Speaker 1: Rod Pronty. That is a good one. I didn't know

3277
02:25:29,720 --> 02:25:38,280
Speaker 1: where that was going so thoroughly. That is a good man.

3278
02:25:38,520 --> 02:25:40,440
Speaker 1: I'll let you go. We had again. Be sure to

3279
02:25:40,520 --> 02:25:42,200
Speaker 1: keep me posting on how much you're seeing, and I'll

3280
02:25:42,240 --> 02:25:44,080
Speaker 1: do the same. I'm I'm getting fired up. I'm gonna

3281
02:25:44,080 --> 02:25:45,520
Speaker 1: try to hunt something. We've got a big co front

3282
02:25:45,560 --> 02:25:47,920
Speaker 1: coming in Friday and and I'm gonna try to get

3283
02:25:47,959 --> 02:25:52,240
Speaker 1: on one this this weekend. So make it happens. Sounds good, well,

3284
02:25:52,280 --> 02:25:54,800
Speaker 1: good luck and shoot straight all right, man, you too,

3285
02:25:55,560 --> 02:25:57,720
Speaker 1: And there you go, my friends, Another one in the books.

3286
02:25:57,920 --> 02:25:59,880
Speaker 1: Hopefully this will help a lot of you in the woods.

3287
02:26:00,040 --> 02:26:02,280
Speaker 1: We've got if you're listening to this right when it drops,

3288
02:26:02,320 --> 02:26:05,040
Speaker 1: We've got three weeks left of November, lots of rut

3289
02:26:05,160 --> 02:26:08,000
Speaker 1: hunting ahead of you, So get out there, hunt hard,

3290
02:26:08,200 --> 02:26:11,200
Speaker 1: have a good time. Don't get too stressed. I know

3291
02:26:11,320 --> 02:26:14,560
Speaker 1: I have a tendency that as the as the rut continues,

3292
02:26:14,680 --> 02:26:17,160
Speaker 1: every day flips off the calendar. I start feeling more

3293
02:26:17,200 --> 02:26:19,720
Speaker 1: and more pressure because the rut is falling behind me.

3294
02:26:19,840 --> 02:26:22,120
Speaker 1: Now we're seven days down, we're ten days down, we're

3295
02:26:22,160 --> 02:26:24,440
Speaker 1: fifteen days down. You start to worry it's ever gonna happen.

3296
02:26:25,040 --> 02:26:28,920
Speaker 1: Don't be like me. Just enjoy the moment, get out there,

3297
02:26:29,440 --> 02:26:32,320
Speaker 1: putting the time, and good things will happen. So until

3298
02:26:32,360 --> 02:26:35,160
Speaker 1: with yet again, next time, thank you for listening, and

3299
02:26:35,320 --> 02:26:37,720
Speaker 1: stay wired to hunt