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Speaker 1: from this podcast standpoint, you first met Heather Duville sitting

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Speaker 1: Ville on social media? A K moosey. She came out

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Speaker 1: her life growing up, sewing for all kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: And now a year later, Heather's back. She came over

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Speaker 1: would you like to introduce your father?

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Speaker 3: This is my dad. His traditional name is git Wayne,

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Speaker 3: English name is Mike look up to him in so

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Speaker 3: We came over in his skiff, which your kids love,

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Speaker 1: Way, it's got a little bit of a like a

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Speaker 3: It's all black, so he painted black so blended, you know,

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Speaker 1: Ron Layton would talk about he grew up in Catchcan.

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Speaker 1: Ron Layton would talk about the people that we bought from,

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Speaker 1: the people they bought from, and then a guy who

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Speaker 4: When he got married, he married Marian and she was

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Speaker 4: I actually have a picture of his boat and my phone.

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Speaker 4: I took a couple of weeks ago. Had I asked

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Speaker 4: any I think seventies. Uh. When I first met him,

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Speaker 1: But what's the what's the word you're saying isis iceol?

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Speaker 4: No, two girls, did he He lived here with those.

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Speaker 4: He was probably fishing.

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Speaker 4: Right business. I know, Ron Lighton. Uh you know he

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Speaker 4: He was living in Cassan for a while. Then he

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Speaker 4: No, he was He was easy to get along with,

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Speaker 1: And then when his wife passed away, he didn't want

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Speaker 1: and did. What's kind of an odd practice here is

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Speaker 1: Ron's place is like this. Odd practices when you sell it,

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Speaker 1: it seems people don't move out. They just walk away

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Speaker 6: I when I when we bought the A frame, there

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we burned. We burned everything, but everything and we

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Speaker 4: You know, I believe Ron. Uh, what's a placement on

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Speaker 1: He was a detective. You don't you know that's not true.

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Speaker 4: No, I believe it is. You know, I just didn't

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Speaker 1: Was a door gunner. He was a door gunner in Vietnam. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Did he say that he had a great time there?

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Speaker 1: He always that was the thing we used to laugh

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Speaker 4: When I asked him, why weren't you a door runner,

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Speaker 1: Oh but see no, because Ron, I feel like a

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Speaker 1: couldn't believe, really, you would go to Vietnam. Ron was

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Speaker 1: to share notes. But Mike, how did you spent most

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Speaker 4: Yeah? All my life. Actually, this is the first year

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Speaker 4: Actually, I've been a fisherman for since I was eleven

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Speaker 1: How did it come about when you were eleven? How

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Speaker 4: I had this s burning desire to be a fisherman

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Speaker 1: like what was how did you understand the arrangement.

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Speaker 4: You were helping to support the family. Okay, there was

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Speaker 3: Before you bought your boat. You built one right.

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Speaker 4: No, When I was like sixteen years old or fifteen,

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Speaker 1: That you're saying one hundred tons of eggs. They removed

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Speaker 4: Did the oil spill kill him? And he said no,

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Speaker 2: Wow, geez, extreme value to this stuff. Yeah, someone to

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Speaker 4: No, I had a license that I got rid of it.

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Speaker 2: But you guys, you said you are still harvesting it now,

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Speaker 3: So our one of our episodes covers traditional harvest of

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Speaker 4: We do personal harvest on the wildcilt, which does not

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Speaker 1: Thick, you know. WEKEI talking about Ike, you talking about

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think they've been massacred and started off back

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Speaker 4: Well, I crewed on boats trolling and sainting later in

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Speaker 4: I trolled for salmon primarily, and I had that boat

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Speaker 4: Well, I made this deal to buy this boat, and

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Speaker 4: The name, Oh, the name of it was Franjo. It

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Speaker 4: but I didn't. Then it never didn't tell her any different.

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Speaker 3: It came with that name, and they were all, oh

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Speaker 3: So I'm telling everyone, Well, he had a different name

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Speaker 1: His tradition, Mike, Cassie, Cassie, the tattoo on your hand.

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Speaker 1: Heather explained the tattoos on her hands before Cassie, your

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Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, oh you should.

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Speaker 3: So he's teaching the crew how to say nah, it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He carved it in like nineteen ninety two.

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Speaker 1: And so you share that one. And then Mike, what

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Speaker 4: That's a beaver raven till that is my clown.

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Speaker 1: Heather. Heather was telling me that I can't know if

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Speaker 1: we talked about this before, but yeah, we did talk

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Speaker 4: To be, but like.

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Speaker 1: Tribal people were discouraged from any kind of markings permit. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know all the answers to those questions. But

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Speaker 3: But this is permanent regalia.

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Speaker 6: This was.

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Speaker 3: Traditionally, you know, during a ku week or potlatch, you'd

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Speaker 3: So there is like a revitalization of the cultural tattooing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so most of that was imposed by what's referred

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Speaker 4: them to speak their own language there, and you know,

439
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 4: just basically destroyed a lot of culture. So you didn't

440
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 4: see new Totem poles for many, many years. They did

441
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 4: start during the Three Sea Days and the Depression days.

442
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 4: They had the three C program.

443
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: I can't civilian you mean the Civilian Conservation.

444
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, core. Yeah, So they did build some poles during

445
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 4: now and they paid them under that program. So that's

446
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 4: where the original Totem poles came from in Claw, Okay.

447
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 4: And they've been recarved since then, but that's where those

448
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 4: poles came from. So there was thirty or forty years

449
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 4: where probably not many poles were carved at all. It

450
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 4: just made a mess out of the culture, really, you know,

451
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 4: so I think, and yeah, effort is made now to

452
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 4: try to restore some of it, but you know, these

453
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 4: are modern times. It's all different, you know, but you know,

454
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 4: it is working a little bit. H I can see, oh,

455
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 4: some pride, restoration, and the people themselves. And I think

456
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 4: that's important. When I was growing up, it really wasn't

457
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 4: okay to be native. So I've seen a change in

458
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 4: my lifetime. Yeah, sad as maybe, but that's the attitude

459
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 4: even natives that that were better off, oh, treated natives

460
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 4: that weren't so well off, you know.

461
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: So I don't understand.

462
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: It's like lateral violence.

463
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, I do. Yeah, I got what you're saying.

464
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: You mean that that well off, like natives that were

465
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: well off treated other natives.

466
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 4: Looking down on the ones that weren't so well off,

467
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 4: you know. So, you know, and I felt that when

468
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 4: I was growing up. So I'm glad to see that

469
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 4: not so much anymore.

470
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: You guys had shown me when we were boating around.

471
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: There's a couple of interesting things you showed me over

472
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: by your place. Maybe you could speak to them. One,

473
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: I'll just go in the order in which we saw them.

474
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: One was you showed me a location where there had

475
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: been a smokehouse. Oh yeah. And I believe that once

476
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: they did the once they kind of parceled Alaska out,

477
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: being like Fort Service gets this, tribe gets this. Whatever

478
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: the BLM gets this. However, they divided it. They went

479
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: around and would kind of destroy some relics what they

480
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: regarded as relics. But what we're actually like active smoke

481
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: houses is my understanding of this.

482
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 4: Correct, that's crack, But that didn't happen until.

483
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: Jeez, between the thirties and.

484
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 4: Right after statehood. I guess that. Okay, the Forest Service,

485
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 4: you know, owned x amount most of the law. For

486
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 4: some reason, they decided to clean up all the old

487
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 4: smokehouses and stuff like that there were on federal law.

488
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 4: Not really well, they didn't care about village sites. My

489
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 4: great grandfather was chief of Tuxican. It was when I

490
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 4: was a young kid. There was a lot of poles

491
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 4: and h houses that you could tell we're all there

492
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 4: and everything when we went by. I remember seeing it

493
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 4: on our way to Starcar. But they logged shortly after

494
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 4: that and logged right through the old village site. You know,

495
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 4: in fact today you can see cables still laying on

496
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 4: the ground there, and you alsoee garden mound remnants of

497
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 4: uh house posts, the corner posts, and there's a few

498
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 4: of those left. But there was numerous totem poles when

499
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 4: I was a kid. But you know, they're floating logging camps,

500
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: and the loggers cut sections of those and had them

501
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 4: as ornaments on their floating camps. Really yeah, yeah, but

502
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 4: no one cared. You know today, if you did that,

503
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 4: they'd put you in jail, I suppose, but they're they're

504
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 4: more protected now, but no one cared. They got rid

505
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 4: of all this. One of the smokehouses is on the island.

506
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 4: We used to go there where kids with that little

507
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 4: out rowboat with a five horse we'd go out there

508
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 4: and we'd hang out there, and it was big enough

509
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 4: to where you could actually stay in there. You know,

510
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 4: everybody had pretty good sized smokehouses than today, Like the

511
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: big is just real.

512
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: Where the smokehouses positioned to be close to a spawning run. Yeah,

513
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: so you could stay there fish and smoke fish.

514
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 4: Well, there was old village sites there, or at least

515
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 4: of summertime fish camps. And that's a real protected place

516
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 4: where I showed showed you and there's numerous fish drops.

517
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: That was the second thing that I was gonna ask

518
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: you about. When we were out we went. You pointed

519
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: out some things that I would never ever have noticed,

520
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: But once you pointed them out, that was so obvious.

521
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: What I was looking at but and I meant to

522
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: go investigate the creeks around here and look for the

523
00:35:53,960 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: same clues. You pointed out canoe landings at Creek Miles

524
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: where the lark the rocks are cleared away, and there's

525
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: actually like a little concave groove going way up the beach.

526
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: Never you would you could live there your whole life.

527
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: If someone didn't say, like you see, look line up

528
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: and look that way, you'd live there your whole life

529
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: and not realize what you were looking at. It was

530
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: a place to drag a canoe aboat up, and then

531
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: the remnants of the fish traps that you could also

532
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: live there your whole life and just think that that's

533
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: the rocks, how God laid them down. And then you

534
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: show me and're like, oh, like once you see it,

535
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, it's like they're arranged like weirs.

536
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: You know, that was very surprising to me, and I

537
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: haven't looked here for that.

538
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 4: Almost all our criecks have those, and the ones that

539
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 4: didn't have a good supply of rocks, ah, they drove

540
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 4: steaks in the ground to make the fish trap. So

541
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 4: you know, if there's no rocks, apply to do that.

542
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: Then they used wooden steaks, and like up in Clock Lake,

543
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 4: there's wooden steaks up in the lake that are ah

544
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 4: they have even been carbon dated, and I can't remember

545
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: the dates. But my good friend Steve Langdon is a

546
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 4: professor of anthropology. He did a lot of study and

547
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 4: pulled some of those up and had him dated. What

548
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 4: let's see. Oh, there's a couple of places where I

549
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 4: could show you where there's actually what you call clam

550
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 4: gardens where the rocks were laid out and it's filled

551
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 4: with the proper substrate, if you will, for a climb garden,

552
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 4: and there's still visible and still clams of them today

553
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: and the otter been digging at them. Oh really, But

554
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 4: the actually practice amriculture hundreds of years back, and a

555
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: lot of the villages were close to a good clambed,

556
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 4: like the one John Darrow he referred to it as

557
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 4: empty clamshell village at uh Agnes's where we we've we've

558
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 4: found artifacts there and the only things left is stone.

559
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 4: You know, uh because in the winter time dark and

560
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 4: the days are short, but you could always go get clowns,

561
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 4: you know, bad weather whatever, there was always something you

562
00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 4: could harve us.

563
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: Do you remember from uh, do you remember from your

564
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: relatives or maybe things you've heard how people dealt with

565
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: the risk of paralytic shellfish poisoning when there was no

566
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: government funded testing.

567
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 3: They'd put I was told they'd put them in their

568
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: mouth and see if it turn your mouth, they'd spit

569
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: them out. But that's what all the elders told me.

570
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 3: Rub it on their lips and then wait.

571
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 4: But on the other hand, we had colder weather, colder

572
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 4: water then we do have today, which is spawning a

573
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 4: lot of these things. But there are some places where

574
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 4: there just seemed to be a hawk all the time,

575
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 4: and it could be in the the gravel they grow.

576
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: And I guess you mean hot with the alt with

577
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: the algae.

578
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, call them hot clams, you know, like yeah, but

579
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: you know, do you know a sea otter won't eat

580
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: a hot clam? They can tell they know, they have

581
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 3: like a mechanism where they.

582
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 5: Really that's why we don't eat them out of the cove,

583
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 5: right or is that something else?

584
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: No, we when we used to eat clams before I

585
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: got too scared of shellfish poisoning. When we used to

586
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: eat clams, we didn't eat clams in the cove because

587
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: back then people would run these very not well functioning

588
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: sewage systems into the cove.

589
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: Jimmy, we want to go get one and we'll rub

590
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: it on a slip and.

591
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 5: See, I think the tides too high to find one

592
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 5: goes down?

593
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: Would you now eat?

594
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 4: Like?

595
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: Not now? But let's say like, are you comfortable eating

596
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: clams in the winter or no?

597
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

598
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: What do you do?

599
00:40:59,239 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 4: Well?

600
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: So the te staying the test for.

601
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 4: Mere what do I do you eat part of one?

602
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: You do?

603
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 4: Yeah?

604
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: And wait how long the.

605
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 4: Off It doesn't make your lips tingle or anything. They're fine,

606
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 4: you know. But on the other hand, we have a

607
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 4: clam fishery that goes on yeah, gooey duck fishery, and

608
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 4: they're right next door and they're harvesting those and they

609
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 4: passed the test. So I've seen no reason why normal

610
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 4: butter clams when I could get them, which are all

611
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 4: gone now, would be fine to eat.

612
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: M hmm.

613
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 4: They're they're filtering the same water. Ye.

614
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: So you're like, if I took you over yonder right here,

615
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: and it was January February and we dug some clams,

616
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: you would eat a part of one. Yeah, And if

617
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: your lips didn't get numb. You dig in, Yeah, if

618
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: it was a good clam. Particular about where I dig them.

619
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: I don't dig him out of the mud. I like

620
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: to dig him out of the mixture of clamshell or

621
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: clamshell where they're nice and white and good color and

622
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: healthy fat clams. That's the preferred places I would dig them.

623
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 5: Do you ever use like clams as hal a de

624
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 5: bait doo his work or do you.

625
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 4: The guy ducks do? But you know, I had never

626
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 4: used them, but a friend of mine did. They had

627
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 4: a bunch of her. I don't know what was wrong

628
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 4: with him, but he used for albut bait and they

629
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 4: work fine. But we're using that type of thing or

630
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 4: putting clams in your crab pot to catch the crab.

631
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 4: We used to have a lot of these, uh sunfishy

632
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 4: call them. Yeah, they all got killed by a bacteria,

633
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 4: not a virus of that bacteria killed them. But those

634
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 4: things are run as fast as they could to get

635
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 4: those clowns. Was that right? It wasn't the best bait?

636
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, a few years ago. There's still so many down

637
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: like uh, I mean they're all over the place down

638
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: off Washington. The oceanic sunfish. A few years ago there

639
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: was a giant right out here in the arm and

640
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: people got video of it. They had no idea what

641
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: they're looking.

642
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: At the mola.

643
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, not around.

644
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 5: Aren't there some fish of those that are like targeted?

645
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 4: And what are you talking about? Sunfish? I'm talking about

646
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 4: these starfish that are.

647
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: Oh sea stars.

648
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

649
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you meant that big you know that

650
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: oceanic sunfish that like lays on the surface. I thought that,

651
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: Oh so the see yeah, the sea stars. Yeah, they're

652
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: all gone. I always thought I always heard as a virus,

653
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: it's a bacteria. Yeah, they're gone. I mean those things

654
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: are gone.

655
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 4: They just discovered it was a bacteria. That's that's new news.

656
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I was confused because.

657
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 4: So if you clams in the crab pot a these

658
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 4: uh sea stars, you could have a crab pot full

659
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 4: of those instead.

660
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 1: Of crab like they like it better than it like clams.

661
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 4: That's one of the main stays that they eat.

662
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, when you said that about you know, you

663
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: know that fish I'm talking about right, yeah, because they

664
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: make it up here. Sometimes I thought I thought you

665
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: meant that there was more before like that somehow there

666
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: was more of those fish around now that lay on

667
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: their side. And do you know what I'm talking about now?

668
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 4: I know exactly because rub them.

669
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: With a brush. You can rub them with a scrub

670
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: brush and they like it that. It's a crazy.

671
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 4: Fish fishing out mus on Once some one day, the

672
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 4: sunfish was on the kind of and see his fin

673
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 4: and stuff, and I thought it was a big shark.

674
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: And before I saw it, it was coming right by

675
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 4: my trolling lines and I thought, oh crap, I'm going

676
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 4: to hit that shark, you know, but it went right

677
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 4: by his high end. Nothing there was one of those

678
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 4: big sunfish.

679
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: Gosh, I thought it was.

680
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 4: I thought I was gonna run right into it, but

681
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 4: actually it wasn't a shark.

682
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: It was yeah sunfish swimming around his fin out of

683
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 1: the water.

684
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 4: They don't have no tail on them.

685
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 5: You also, do you like, do you target salmon sharks

686
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 5: or do you know people that do?

687
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: No, He's very interested in salmon.

688
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 5: I love salmon sharks as am. I.

689
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen them jump out of water down at

690
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 4: head off for whatever reason, just like I don't know

691
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 4: what they were doing, but salmon sharks and we catch

692
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 4: one once in a while trolling.

693
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 5: I've heard they taste amazing.

694
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 4: I don't know they might be, but I don't eat sharks.

695
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 4: I've got a lot of blue sharks and dogfish. Yeah,

696
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 4: I just can't. Uh they have her? Are you real

697
00:45:59,520 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 4: to him?

698
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 5: Know that?

699
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 4: I don't know how to deal with that. I've cut

700
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 4: steaks and soaked it in salt water and good no

701
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 4: when your people do eat them.

702
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: You know, when you were in the black cod in

703
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: the black cot fishing business, were you were you longlighting

704
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: black cod?

705
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 5: Or did you?

706
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: Okay? What was that? What was that like as a

707
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: you know, what was that like as a business? Was

708
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: that like a profitable business to be in?

709
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 4: It was very good for me. I started like eighty four.

710
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 4: I think it turned into a derby everybody. Well, what

711
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 4: happened was the Medicine Stephens Act kind of opened the

712
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 4: door for that. Before that, the foreign longliners would come

713
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 4: across Japanese Koreans and fish block God and the market

714
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 4: was really poor two bits a pound or whatever. If

715
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 4: you couldn't do anything else, you could go fish block God.

716
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 4: But the market wasn't that great. So when the two

717
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 4: hundred mile limit came in, it allowed the American fishermen

718
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 4: to participate more. Yeah, they claimed, you're never going to

719
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 4: catch all those cod, but Yankee ingenuity, we figured out

720
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 4: how to catch them, I mean way better than they did.

721
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 4: So as we took more of the quota, they got less,

722
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 4: and then pretty soon they were just moved completely out

723
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: because we could harvest it all. Yeah, it was actually

724
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 4: pretty good fishery, but because everybody wanted to jump in

725
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 4: on the halbut and blockod fishery, they turned into and

726
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 4: the fleet was increasing at twenty percent a year. So

727
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 4: then the if Q program was finally put in place

728
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 4: to save lives, if you well, because people were literally

729
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 4: killing themselves to get out and get their share of

730
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 4: the quota. The quota, I mean both shuldn't have been

731
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 4: out there in bad weather, you know, but they would

732
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 4: do it, and you know it was costing. Yeah, So

733
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 4: then the if Q program, now we have it did

734
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 4: stabilize things. But I have less quota than I used

735
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 4: to catch, you know, like I started off with thirty

736
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 4: two thousand pounds of qualified for thirty two thousand pounds

737
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 4: a hell, but and I think I'm just under nine

738
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 4: thousand now because of conservation cuts and so on. Yeah,

739
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 4: that's a pretty bad hit too. What's that stand for?

740
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 4: I f qu individual fish quota, so you actually own

741
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 4: the quota, got it? You can sell it, you can fish.

742
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: It, and you can catch it when you want and

743
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: opening wind opening day window.

744
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have from March to December almost you know,

745
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 4: to catch your halbut or or cod. So it's a

746
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 4: better fishery in that respect.

747
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: So do you mostly fish alone?

748
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 4: I used to do all my fishing a loan except

749
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 4: for Halbert black Gott. I had a crew but halibuta. Raymond,

750
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 4: my boy, and I used to do that ourselves. But

751
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 4: now I'm old and creaky, so I go out with

752
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 4: him and h I can't say I didn't fish this

753
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 4: year because I did. I just didn't fish salmon, but

754
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 4: I did go get the hell.

755
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: But do you like fishing with your boy?

756
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 4: Yeah? I was fun. There is tough, you know, and

757
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 4: he's a fisherman, which never encouraged him be one, but

758
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 4: he is. So he's pretty good at it.

759
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: What was if you would if you were going to

760
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: discourage someone from it? On what grounds would you discourage it?

761
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 4: It's really an unstable way to make a living. Hu

762
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 4: We've taken a lot of cuts, and you know, everybody

763
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 4: wants a piece of the pie, a bigger piece. Uh,

764
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 4: like the sport charter group. Oh, you can't have unlimited

765
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 4: effort on a limited resource, and that's what we're seeing

766
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 4: with that group. There's still no restriction. Anybody can get

767
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 4: licensed up and start the charter business. You know, got it,

768
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 4: But it is a limited resource. So the last couple

769
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 4: of years prior to this, they had virtually an unlimited

770
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 4: season where there was no in season management. They okay,

771
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 4: you get twenty percent, but we're not going to manage

772
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 4: you in season. So they got more than their twenty percent,

773
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 4: so they took it out of the commercial trollers. So

774
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 4: we didn't get a second opening.

775
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: Oh, got it.

776
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 4: So this year they've changed that to where there is

777
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 4: in season management. So they got shut down on Kings

778
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 4: and June sometime, and then they decided that they had

779
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 4: four thousand fish more coming and so they could keep

780
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 4: one the non residents keep one at it's an annual limit.

781
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 1: Yep, we're well aware, but.

782
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 4: That's what happened this year. That's why the restriction. For

783
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 4: the last two years, two or three years prior to that,

784
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 4: there was no inn season management, which was really unfair

785
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 4: to the commercial fleet because they just took the fish

786
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 4: away from them to make up the difference.

787
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: In resource management, you often find that different user groups

788
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: always blame the user groups always blame other user groups.

789
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 4: I don't blame those guys, but my suggestion at our

790
00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 4: AC meetings is you guys should try to do a

791
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 4: limited entry on yourselves so you have some stability in

792
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 4: what you're doing, and your licenses would be worth a fortune.

793
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 4: Oh but you got to curb this gross somehow, just

794
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 4: like the individual fish quota on the federal side and

795
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 4: the limited entry on the state side for commercial sainting

796
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 4: and trolling, there's a limit of how many boats. But

797
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 4: right now the sport commercial is totally unlimited, and it's

798
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 4: a limited amount of fishs. So everybody's scrapping for a

799
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 4: bigger piece of the pie all the time, at least

800
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 4: they are. They're always lobbying for more.

801
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: The point I was going to make about that the

802
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: way different user groups, and this goes across the board.

803
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: Different user groups look to other user groups as the problem.

804
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: But I was shocked when I was reading some a

805
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: report that the state put out. I would have thought,

806
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: just by guessing I would have thought in southeast Alaska

807
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: you would see that commercial harvest unlike these key species.

808
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: The commercial harvest, in my mind, I would have been like,

809
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: it's got to be ninety percent compared to recreational harvest.

810
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: But for a lot of a lot of the main

811
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: target species, recreational harvests surpasses commercial harvest.

812
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

813
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: I had no idea because we always blame right epeconically

814
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 1: on the commercial guys caught them all.

815
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 4: I know one lodge that lounds more fish than the

816
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 4: commercial fleet and Craig so hmm, yeah, and they don't

817
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 4: talk about it anymore, but they made the break. They

818
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 4: caught a million pounds or chipped out a million pounds

819
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 4: of you know, process fish like you did. That doesn't

820
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 4: count all the waste stuff that.

821
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: That's a million pounds a yeah, skinless, boneless.

822
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, really that's a lot. And that's more.

823
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: It's probably four million in actual fish bodies.

824
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 4: That's more than the the troll fleet and Craig catches

825
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 4: and lands and sells commercially.

826
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: Huh.

827
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 4: So it's significant. But without that hattery in Claw, which

828
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 4: is licensed for five million eggs, they'd probably all go

829
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 4: broke there. And it's funded by a fisherman. For the

830
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 4: most part, three percent off the top goes into a

831
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 4: hattery enhancement. Got its.

832
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 3: Fish.

833
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 4: They hatch co hos in that hat tree. It's five million,

834
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 4: five million eggs of coho eggs and has been fairly successful.

835
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 4: This year is kind of we're seeing uh for a

836
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 4: fifty three million prediction. I'm not seeing the fish. I

837
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 4: see a feel out here. Doesn't look too bad. There's

838
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 4: a few scattered jumps coming inside Cassambey. But on the

839
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 4: other side it's not very good.

840
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: Also, I don't this is just observational. I don't know

841
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: what this year is appears. This year appears to be

842
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: very different on a salmon situation, I didn't know if

843
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: this is a very poor hatch a few years ago.

844
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 4: I don't know. They're saying humpies, but some of the

845
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 4: co hosts aren't showing like I think they should. There's

846
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 4: there's kink salmon. Yeah, yeah, there's plenty of king salmon.

847
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's it's pretty good. We can't

848
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 4: keep or catch them, you know. I think on the

849
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 4: second opening that my share is seventeen fish for the

850
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 4: second opening as a commercial fisherman. Yeah, seventeen seventeen. When

851
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 4: I started fishing in nineteen seventy, I could fish on

852
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 4: the ot on the ocean from April fifteenth till September twentieth,

853
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 4: and I could keep king salmon the whole time. And

854
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 4: now the king salmon season lasted what four or five days?

855
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: Huh?

856
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 4: So I've seen some change.

857
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: What's those seventeen fish? What's one of those fish worth?

858
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 4: I don't even know. I didn't land the king salmon

859
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 4: commercially this year yet. I think they're six and a

860
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 4: quarter pounds. So oh, I think that's the first opening

861
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 4: they were paying six and.

862
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: A quarter of a pounds as gutted and guild.

863
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 4: So a twenty pound fishes is you know? It's okay?

864
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: Hmm. What has it been like for you guys together

865
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: as you've been working on the show you're working on.

866
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: What's that been like? I don't work on the show,

867
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: but you participate.

868
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 4: I've been in just kind of enjoying life this year.

869
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 4: I'm taking a heather out, a lot of fish kinks,

870
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 4: having fish alba hana otter, get greens, go after soccer

871
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 4: eyes and stuff like that.

872
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 3: There's a common like recurring thing that I hear Dad saying,

873
00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 3: and he goes, I'm just the driver. So he's anytime

874
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 3: we give him a little responsibilities like I'm just the driver.

875
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 4: So this is the first time in my whole life,

876
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 4: if you will, that I've just done what I wanted

877
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 4: for the summer.

878
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 3: Not this is the first time I've had my dad,

879
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 3: been able to spend summer with my dad in my

880
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 3: whole life. So this is a special time being able

881
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 3: to do the show with it. We have an incredible group,

882
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 3: you know that has joined us to capture all of

883
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 3: these moments from you know, meat Eater, but we couldn't

884
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 3: have asked for a better group. Dad and Garrett totally

885
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 3: hit it off, and the girls are great. And this

886
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 3: is my first summer with Dad, so he's been gone,

887
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 3: you know, from spring till fall fishing my whole life.

888
00:59:54,720 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 3: So if we could catch king salmon to other you know,

889
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 3: just like going out and the skiff and catching king salmon,

890
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 3: we'd get them in like before the middle of June.

891
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 3: So in years past I would catch one or two

892
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 3: king salmon total because he'd go commercial fishing for that.

893
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 3: So in June, I'm like, oh, I got my king

894
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 3: for the year, and that's it, you know. So this

895
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 3: has been great, and yeah, thank you Dad, because it.

896
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 5: Is a lot.

897
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 3: It's a lot, it's a lot, but being able to

898
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 3: capture some of these moments that we just wouldn't have

899
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 3: otherwise been able to, and with my niece joined us

900
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 3: this last round with Halibit, and just being able to

901
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 3: take up space for our you know, our culture and

902
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 3: indigenous people, and we represent such a large group of people,

903
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 3: but you know, each tribe and each individual within their

904
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 3: own community deserves to be uplifted and celebrated in their

905
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 3: own right. And so this is just this show is

906
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 3: an opportunity to just get a kind of like a

907
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 3: peekin through that window of our view and I'm thankful

908
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 3: that we get to capture some of it.

909
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: What can you name the episodes for people so they

910
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: know what to look for.

911
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm I believe we're in a kickoff with

912
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 3: the sea otter episode, and then.

913
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 5: We have.

914
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 3: The harring eggs, so we have the herring spawn harvesting

915
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 3: herring eggs, and then we have a seal hunt and

916
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 3: we process the seal and make seal oil in the cracklings,

917
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 3: which you've tried, and then we're fishing with the knach

918
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 3: so the woodhooks, and then the last two episodes will

919
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 3: be I think two parts, which is Gonne fish Camp,

920
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 3: so dried fish making the cold smoked strips, jarring the fish,

921
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 3: and fermenting coho eggs. So in September and the co

922
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:24,919
Speaker 3: host you know, come in. We're gonna do Coho fish

923
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 3: camp and ferment some skeins. And I'm worried about Samantha

924
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 3: because she walks around my property like this, and I'm like,

925
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 3: what's wrong? And She's like, there's just a lot of

926
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 3: smells in Alaska that I've become nose blind to and

927
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 3: I forget everything smells.

928
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: And Mike, were you making a peer? Are you in

929
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: all of them? Or are you just driving?

930
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 4: Like?

931
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: Do you talk in all of them?

932
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 2: Oh?

933
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 3: He's he's a highlight.

934
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 4: I I don't think, so, I don't know. I just

935
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 4: do what I do.

936
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: But I told them, you.

937
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 3: Know, my dad, the reason why I'm able to do

938
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 3: all this stuff and know the things that I know

939
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 3: is because my dad, you know, through all the stuff

940
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 3: we mentioned earlier here, he was able to still learn about,

941
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 3: you know, our culture and and practice that even through

942
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 3: all of those attempts to make us not anymore. And

943
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 3: that's the greatest gift I could have ever received. And

944
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 3: so I told, you know, the team that I really

945
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 3: want to highlight and uplift my dad and he deserves

946
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 3: all that recognition. So I do think you're going to

947
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 3: see a lot of him. And anytime I post anything

948
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 3: anyway on social media, they're like, we don't want this,

949
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 3: we want your dad. More videos of your dad. So

950
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 3: he deserves it. He's awesome, and he's so funny, and

951
01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 3: this a little subtle dry humors you know there throughout.

952
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:02,439
Speaker 3: So I'm excited to see.

953
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 4: It's kind of nice. I didn't have a chance to

954
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 4: Hea there wasn't a hunter and went out so much

955
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 4: of this. Raymond did a lot of it. And then

956
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 4: she moved away and came back and she goes out

957
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 4: with me every opportunity, and she's learned considerable amount, much

958
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 4: more than Raymond actually about different tuffs. He's paying attention

959
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 4: to the cultural part of it. And I was going

960
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 4: to say I was going to go king salmon fishing.

961
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 4: It wasn't my intention just not to go, but I

962
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 4: got COVID just days before the season opened. It just

963
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 4: knocked me totally off the game. So once I missed

964
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 4: that part of it, I don't care about coho is

965
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 4: that too much work for the amount of pay again?

966
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 4: And now with seventeen kings, Amon just doesn't get my

967
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:05,479
Speaker 4: heart started. So I'm just having a good time.

968
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you did go to get the seventeen, how

969
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: long would you expect to fish to catch the seventeen?

970
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 4: One day or not even a day one day season? Yeah.

971
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 4: So the last time we got a one day fishery,

972
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 4: which was three years ago, I got over one hundred.

973
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 3: Okay, Dad was out there too, old guys. I think

974
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 3: his crew is what in his seventies too, Yeah, and

975
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 3: they were. They did so good. I think they got

976
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,439
Speaker 3: the most or second most out of the fleet Dad

977
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 3: that comes back. I you know, I helped Dad with

978
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 3: all his healthcare stuff, appointments and everything, so I've learned

979
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 3: the older he gets seventy six now, but to always

980
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 3: book an appointment for because he comes back with like

981
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 3: a broken back or needing backs. So he does all

982
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 3: his maintenance in the winter, all repairs.

983
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but steroid.

984
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 3: Injections in his hands and everything to keep him going.

985
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 4: Lots of repair work. The older, you get, everything hurts,

986
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 4: so fish for many many years. It's just like twenty

987
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 4: four hour openings of hal but he has spend it

988
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 4: all at the roller hauling in fish. You know, I

989
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 4: got some good video of doing exactly that. But yeah,

990
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 4: you come home and for two or three days of

991
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 4: your hounds or but yeah you loaded the boat and

992
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 4: did really well. Yeah.

993
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 3: I didn't learn how to hunt until I was twenty eight.

994
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 3: I never punted at all, never shot a rifle. So

995
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 3: that was last year. I'm just kidding. I'm thirty nine,

996
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna be twenty nine forever. But anyway, when

997
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 3: we went, when I started hunting with my dad, I

998
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 3: would take one of my best friends, guy friends with

999
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 3: me and we'd go with him, and he packed two

1000
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 3: deer out at a time till he was sixty nine

1001
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 3: years old. We looked at each other, I'm like, we

1002
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 3: just have to be able to pack one deer out

1003
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 3: until we're that old. So he's a bad accid. He's yeah, tough,

1004
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 3: and it's hard to believe.

1005
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 4: I'm a mess. B well man.

1006
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: I appreciate that you came to talk to us and

1007
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: tell people. Tell everybody like when when can they come watch?

1008
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: When when they go to watch all the stuff this fall.

1009
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 3: This I believe in September. Am I allowed to say? Yeah,

1010
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 3: just go and see September. I don't have a date actually,

1011
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 3: but this September, this next month, and is.

1012
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: It gonna be called our world of life for real title?

1013
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 3: So it's called our way of life in our language,

1014
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 3: it's haku stay So yeah, look for I'm excited.

1015
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 4: It's uh.

1016
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 6: September twenty ninth. Good job, perfect, thank you and media

1017
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 6: YouTube channel and outdoor channel.

1018
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 4: So there you go. Eight pm.

1019
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 3: Okay, that is my first time learning this.

1020
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 4: How how fluent are you?

1021
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 3: We're not fluent?

1022
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: You're not?

1023
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, so.

1024
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 3: We know some words, Dad's my grandma is fluent, but

1025
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 3: then wasn't. Yeah, a lot of that was lost.

1026
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 2: For a generation with boarding school.

1027
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 4: Too old, I forget everything I learned.

1028
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 3: So yeah, I teach my nephew you know what I know,

1029
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 3: and he picks up right away. So we try to

1030
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 3: use a lot of traditional place names and words and

1031
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 3: learn new words all the time. And that's something I

1032
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 3: really would like to do, is learn our traditional language.

1033
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, is there anybody that kicks around

1034
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 2: in the village, like just speaking the tongue someone else?

1035
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 4: Some of the older ladies and are a fluent.

1036
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's classes offered to through.

1037
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 5: UA.

1038
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 3: It's the uas the University of Alaska, and then through

1039
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 3: the tribe, our regional tribe.

1040
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: Mike, do you call Garrett Garrett or do you call

1041
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 1: him Dirt?

1042
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 3: He calls him fat ass because because when we're on

1043
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 3: the boat, you know, Garrett's a made incredible you know,

1044
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 3: he's right there with the camera, but we all can't

1045
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 3: be on the same side of the boat at funt huh.

1046
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 3: But when Garrett takes one step on the boat, the

1047
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 3: whole boat, he's dense, he is, and he's not a

1048
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 3: big dude. I mean, he's fit. But finally after we

1049
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 3: got we were filming the first time we all met.

1050
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 3: We filmed for three weeks straight, so twenty one days.

1051
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 3: It was a lot, and it forced us to get

1052
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 3: very comfortable with each other. So after a few days,

1053
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 3: my dad just start calling him a fat ass because sure,

1054
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 3: but he lost weight. So when he came back this time,

1055
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 3: we're like, hey, you're not as fat anymore.

1056
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 1: But I noticed he's got a little tin of dip there,

1057
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: So I thought maybe him and Dirt formed a little Yeah.

1058
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: I heard about the dipping a partnership. Yeah, we called diplomacy.

1059
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 3: It was like he gave us a detailed description and

1060
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 3: was telling my dad about how awesome.

1061
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: No diplomacy with Dirt myth we call.

1062
01:10:56,600 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 3: Him, I call him Garrett. But we can have asked

1063
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 3: for better people to work with. They're they're a lot

1064
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 3: of fun.

1065
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 5: Dad.

1066
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 3: Dad's a got his own way of communicating. So the

1067
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 3: last day goes, I'm thinking about going fishing tomorrow, and

1068
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 3: that's like his way of inviting you, and Dirt goes, oh,

1069
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I'll go, and Smith goes, yeah, I want

1070
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 3: to go too, and Dad just ignores her and she goes, actually,

1071
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 3: never mind, I'm going to go to the coffee shop.

1072
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 3: It gets all cream puffs tomorrow morning instead, because we

1073
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 3: could tell they just wanted to go out and hang

1074
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 3: out together.

1075
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 4: That it was crappy, and I think she changed her

1076
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 4: mind anyway. Yeah, so we were what we were doing

1077
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 4: all we were waiting for the last set of hooks.

1078
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 4: It took us a while to catch a fish. Yeah,

1079
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 4: while we're waiting, I cruised over the We're going to

1080
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 4: see if there's any co hos here. So we did

1081
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 4: catch co hos and I've ever seen anybody get so

1082
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,759
Speaker 4: excited as Garrett. Uh huh.

1083
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 1: Have you ever eaten dinner with them?

1084
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 4: Totally?

1085
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 5: You're going to bring that up. Did you talk about

1086
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 5: that last night?

1087
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,600
Speaker 3: Everything's like a brand new experience. I wow, look at this,

1088
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 3: oh sunset, you know, like, look, guys, so pretty night.

1089
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I've never seen anybody get so excited over

1090
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 4: catching a few co hos, you know. So the girls

1091
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 4: were in the other boat and they were fishing as well, and.

1092
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 1: Anyway, he's a good guy.

1093
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1094
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 1: Well, Mike, thank you so much for joining us day

1095
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 1: to talk about what you guys got coming up. And

1096
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 1: I appreciate you participating in it. Yeah, with Heather. I

1097
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming to discuss it with us and for you.

1098
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 4: One of the most fun things I do in my

1099
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 4: life is get that boat and go cruising. You have

1100
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 4: the right idea. Thank you.

1101
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is.

1102
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time in there. I've had

1103
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 4: it since ninety one and that's the number six out

1104
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 4: word on it.

1105
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: So huh.

1106
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that dad, I just found finally. I searched Craigslist

1107
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 3: for years trying to find a boat like that, and

1108
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 3: I found the same boat in ninety one exact same boat.

1109
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 4: I was born.

1110
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 3: There's one for sale in my town right now.

1111
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: I just got to see if they got flat black paint.

1112
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you gotta have flat black.

1113
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 3: But when dad, when we try to mic him up,

1114
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 3: now they learn to give me the mic to give

1115
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 3: to him. And I tried to do it, and he said,

1116
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 3: I'll put this on when I'm ready. So we're like, okay,

1117
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 3: we just said it in the.

1118
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 4: Dash now and we're not doing anything else. You don't

1119
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 4: need this on after an hour before you're yeah, that's right. Yeah,

1120
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 4: is it okay, Okay, we're done.

1121
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 3: We just yeah, he goes.

1122
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 4: You never know what I might say, So.

1123
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 1: I understand.

1124
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 2: Are we gonna skin a seat?

1125
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: No, yeah, we're gonna do it as a separate thing.

1126
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm worried. On the cruise over here, we saw

1127
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 3: a bunch moving in here on you.

1128
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: So they're coming. I've seen more this year than it's

1129
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: been amazing.

1130
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 5: Man, I've never seen like it's just so recently. It's

1131
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 5: just like they were just here.

1132
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: It was the first one maybe five years ago. Now

1133
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 1: it's the first time you ever see where you can

1134
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 1: look and there's like a group of a dozen. Then

1135
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 1: there's a group of six. It used to be like

1136
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:36,560
Speaker 1: people would be like I saw one, and everybody like, no,

1137
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 1: you did not, we saw. We'd argue about it.

1138
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 4: We could have been those when we first came here.

1139
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 4: But they must have moved out in the middle of

1140
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 4: the bay or something.

1141
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,560
Speaker 1: They lay out deep. I don't understand it.

1142
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 3: It's different than on our side. You go to the

1143
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 3: same spots and they're there, big pots of them. But here,

1144
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 3: you know, I marked, I marked on my onyx where

1145
01:14:56,120 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 3: they were in the depth and how many. I collect

1146
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 3: data as much as I can on it's the otter.

1147
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 3: But then we went back out what half hour later,

1148
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 3: and they're all gone yep, Whereas on our side they

1149
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 3: just all stay and if if you scare them away,

1150
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 3: they'll come right back to that.

1151
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 4: These are nomads, man, there's a general rule when you

1152
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 4: spoke about they try to get the open water. I

1153
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 4: think that's what those did.

1154
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 1: Got it. We're gonna skin one on camera just so

1155
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: people can see, and it'll be released as as a

1156
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: flop episode.

1157
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 3: Okay, you're ready, good?

1158
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks again for coming on. I can't wait to see.

1159
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: I think people are gonna love it, man, I hope so.

1160
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be such a because I like

1161
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 1: the time I've had to hang out with you guys.

1162
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: I thought it was great.

1163
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 5: Thank you.

1164
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's gonna be a little different. Got

1165
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 3: the same same soft voice. I think I'm talking fast,

1166
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 3: you know, and I listen to myself, I'm like, what

1167
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 3: the how slow I talk? So it's gonna be a

1168
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 3: little different pace.

1169
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: I think talk just you're good.

1170
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 5: You'll get used to it would be good shake.

1171
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: Thank you again, Ma,