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Speaker 1: Stop. What's your name, ron An Aian the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 1: What you got a question to help people fix their

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Speaker 1: broken cars?

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Speaker 2: What is the ass speed velocity of an unlaiden swallow wait?

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Speaker 1: African or European? I don't know if that well, you

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Speaker 1: need to know these things. When you're ron An Anian,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is how you get into trouble. This

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Speaker 1: is how you end up on the side of the road.

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Speaker 1: This is how you end up at a repair shop that

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Speaker 1: you may not know, or you may not like, or

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe your chemistry just isn't right and you

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Speaker 1: just don't get along and then you end up calling

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Speaker 1: me to say, hey, how do I fix this? The

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Speaker 1: car doctor? It sounds like they're putting conventional oil in,

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Speaker 1: and that's a question you have to ask them, all right,

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Speaker 1: And if they're putting conventional oil in, that it's wrong.

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Speaker 1: You know, Ford Motor Company rates that vehicle for a

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Speaker 1: synthetic blend. Welcome to the radio home of ron An Aian,

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Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. Since nineteen ninety one. This is where

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Speaker 1: car owners the world to overturn to for their definitive

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Speaker 1: opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a

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Speaker 1: busy signal, pick up the phone and call in the garage.

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Speaker 1: Do orders are opening? But I am here to take

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Speaker 1: your call at eighty five five five six oh ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: Hundred and now Pee.

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Speaker 1: Running is aught to repair like Shakespeare, you know, to

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Speaker 1: be or not to be that kind of stuff To

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Speaker 1: repair or not to repair, that is the question. And

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Speaker 1: that's how I would like to start this week of

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Speaker 1: the Car Doctor with you, because it was that kind

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Speaker 1: of week at the shop. Two vehicles twenty thirteen Nissan Ultimate,

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Speaker 1: well actually three thinking about it, twenty thirteen nisces On Ultimus.

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Speaker 1: First up, the check engine light's been on for about

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Speaker 1: eight months. Well, it's been off and on. The customer said,

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Speaker 1: And it didn't seem like it was that important or

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Speaker 1: check engine light on for an extended period. And when

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Speaker 1: I scanned it to begin my diagnosis is that at

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Speaker 1: a P zero one oh one mass airflow sensor circuit

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Speaker 1: six which is a small evaporative emission system leak. You

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Speaker 1: know the way they check for the proverbial loose gas

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Speaker 1: cap or a small crack in a vacuum or purge line,

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Speaker 1: something that will help keep fumes going through the charcoal

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Speaker 1: canister and away from the atmosphere. So it had two

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Speaker 1: the vehicle, the same vehicle. The P zero one oh

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Speaker 1: bad mass airflow sensor at one hundred and eighty five

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Speaker 1: mass air, changing the mass air or not changing the

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Speaker 1: mass air. There's that to be or not to be

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Speaker 1: a thing again and then having to do a software update. So,

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Speaker 1: of course on the ten going on eleven years old

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Speaker 1: AMOST two hunred thousand mile vehicle, it's it's the request

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Speaker 1: comes across, you know, can you give me a price? No?

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Speaker 1: I can't. I don't know where this is going to go.

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Speaker 1: You know, this could be five hundred dollars. It's could

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Speaker 1: This could be I don't know. I've got to do

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Speaker 1: more testing than what I've done. The P zero four

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Speaker 1: lot of things it could be. But you know I knew.

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Speaker 1: Because the customer has their now they're hesitant and they

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Speaker 1: need to decide is this the time to repair this?

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Speaker 1: Is this the time to replace it? And I go

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Speaker 1: play what if? And you, guys know what what if is?

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Speaker 1: We've had this conversation, you and I. What if is?

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Speaker 1: What if you change and fix the car and you

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Speaker 1: and what if three months from now the trans fails?

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Speaker 1: What would you do? Well, I wouldn't want to have

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Speaker 1: and well, maybe I shouldn't have done this. To repair

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Speaker 1: not to repair, that is the question. Twenty sixteen Dodge

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Speaker 1: Like Forrest Gump said, the box of chocolates. But I

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Speaker 1: of chocolates because when Frank made the appointment, he said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: work that Wednesday, and sure enough, there's the inspection sticker

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Speaker 1: September of twenty twenty one. And for those of you

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Speaker 1: months ago. So a vehicle was overdue for inspection for

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Speaker 1: eighteen months. I said, there's definitely going to be problems

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Speaker 1: P zero one twenty eight thermostat rationality fault? Where's that

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Speaker 1: rationality Fault's easy? That's that's like rate of rise. That is,

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Speaker 1: you turn the thermost up. You turn the thermostat up

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Speaker 1: These are not uncommon faults. The P zero three to

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Speaker 1: that's a horse of another color. So the P zero

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Speaker 1: But you can't get to it because the intake manifold

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Speaker 1: But it's not that simple or easy to get to.

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Speaker 1: We have a we have a variety of diagnostic scanners,

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Speaker 1: do a cranking relative compression test. It's not a mechanical

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Speaker 1: of current draw or starter voltage drop all right, Because

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Speaker 1: which and what they're electrical requirement is to move that

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Speaker 1: So we know the odds of it having a mechanical

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Speaker 1: compression problem now have dropped. So let's go attack ignition

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Speaker 1: and that's all I've got to hear. That's what I

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Speaker 1: The third vehicle that was sort of stumbling around this

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand miles. Hadn't had an oil

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Speaker 1: overdue inspection by a wide margin. Tire pressure lights on,

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Speaker 1: check engine lights on, it's stalling, lots of rust. The

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Speaker 1: cared for to repair or not to repair. Gave him

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Speaker 1: bolted to the side of the engine, and then that

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Speaker 1: and it goes straight down to the axle. So that's

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Speaker 1: the flex point. The ball bearings had fallen out of

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Speaker 1: the support bearing for that portion of the stubshaft, so

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Speaker 1: the axle was really floating out in space nothing supporting it,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that it had sat, the steel bolts

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Speaker 1: for so long? Clearly going to be a job for P. B.

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Speaker 1: Blaster because it took him three days to decide, But

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about it, to which I thought him, Hey,

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Speaker 1: and Monday Tuesday we'll likely get into that. I'll start

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Speaker 1: soaking it with some PB because PB Blaster is going

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Speaker 1: to be my friend on that repair because nothing will

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Speaker 1: cut through the rust like that. And I guess the

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Speaker 1: point of all this is to repair, not to repair.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever ask yourself that question? You know, what

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Speaker 1: sort of answers, What sort of answers do you come

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Speaker 1: up with? You know, and how do you decide? And

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Speaker 1: do you weigh out the moment or do you look

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Speaker 1: at the history? Do you look at what you've done

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Speaker 1: or not done as part of that equation, because you should.

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Speaker 1: It's just really important that all things considered, you know,

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Speaker 1: what's the service history. You can't stop smoking at eighty

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Speaker 1: five years old because you want to live longer. If

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, really, how many have one, two, three, five, six, seven,

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Speaker 1: a pleasure, sir. You'd be well, stay healthy, and we'll

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Speaker 1: Let's get over talk to Michael and Michigan. Michael, welcome

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Speaker 2: Uh Ron?

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Speaker 4: Yes, met the.

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Speaker 2: Uh let me see a guess? Was that natural gas

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Speaker 2: Ah, and neither is uh ethanol because the ethanol, if

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Speaker 1: Okay, what's your What's what's your point? Michael? Or is

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Speaker 2: That I'm trying to explain you. And then there's uh,

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Speaker 2: They'd rather burn it off than the mist of it.

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Speaker 2: Of course, I ain't making enough money.

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Speaker 1: There's another way to look at this. If we could

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Speaker 2: The infrastructive gases everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, sure, but I'm just saying where you don't

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Speaker 2: And keep electrical in people's houses. How they're going to

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Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: So another thing, Ron, I'm a mad they call me

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Speaker 1: For years, Michael, But how is all of this going

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Speaker 1: And you know, again, the argument comes down to how

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Speaker 5: Hey, Ron twenty thirteen BMW five thirty five XI. Took

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Speaker 5: the viscosity of the oil, and it was full synthetic

432
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 5: they used and it was zero thirty. Some people are

433
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 5: telling me you should use five thirty or five forty

434
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 5: in it.

435
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: Okay. Do you have an owner's manual in the car?

436
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 6: Now?

437
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 5: I was just wondering, do you have an army?

438
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: Do you have an owner's manual in the car?

439
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 5: I do not have an owner's manual. Okay, I've looked

440
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 5: it up some and so on. When I went back

441
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 5: to the place, I asked them to look up the

442
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 5: oil viscosity. He went to an AMS oil book and

443
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 5: looked it up, and he said, this is what I

444
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 5: go by. And when it said zero thirty and a

445
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 5: soil books, I believe.

446
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: That to be a zero thirty car. Having said that,

447
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 1: I will tell you this, I don't believe if they

448
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: put zero thirty or five thirty or five twenty or

449
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: zero twenty in it in one hundred and eighty five

450
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: and how fast one hundred and fifty miles one hundred

451
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: eighty five thousand mile car in less than two hundred miles,

452
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 1: it's going to develop an engine noise as a result.

453
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: Is this the first oil change since you bought it?

454
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 4: Yes?

455
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: Okay, how do.

456
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 5: We say you say, regardless of those three or four

457
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 5: all grades, it shouldn't make a difference.

458
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: Shouldn't make a difference. First of all, I've got to

459
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: tell you the BMWs we've seen, we see very few

460
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: bottom end engine crank shaft bearing rod problems, et cetera,

461
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: unless the engine has been abused. If this is, is

462
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:03,959
Speaker 1: this the first oil change since you purchased the vehicle? Yes,

463
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: all right, I would be curious.

464
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 5: You know they don't have they don't have dipsticks in

465
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 5: those either. No, I know, So I went ahead and

466
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 5: better change the oil.

467
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: Right, I would be curious what came out of it?

468
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: Did a thicker viscosity come out of it? To hide

469
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: an engine noise? Makes you wonder?

470
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 5: I do not know what came out of it.

471
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: Right, What I would do is I would take the

472
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: oil that's in there, drain out a pint, send it

473
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: off to Blackstone Laboratories and get an oil analysis. Well,

474
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: they'll be able to tell you a viscosity. Heck, they'll

475
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: be able to tell you what brand it is, and

476
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: let that be Let that be the benchmark. I'm not

477
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: saying what they did couldn't cause it. To me, it's

478
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: just not likely. It's just it's just their turn in

479
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: the barrel. And frankly, if the shop that you went

480
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: to had insurance, as I'm assuming they do, if it

481
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: becomes an insurance claim, the insurance company going to walk

482
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 1: you through this process as well. They're gonna want an

483
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: oil analysis, They're gonna want to break down of what

484
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: oil it was, and then Blackstone will tell you if

485
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: there's any trace elements in there, if there's any signs

486
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: of coolant in the oil, if there's any signs of

487
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: other contamination, and that will be the benchmark, that will

488
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: be the and you know what, if you do it

489
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: that way, it's it's much more scientific than fingerpoint. And

490
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you are to tell you the truth.

491
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: I'm a major as calm as you are, because I'd

492
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: be upset and annoyed as well. You know, it's no

493
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: fun to have to go through an engine repair, especially

494
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: on something like that, because that's probably a ten or

495
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: twelve thousand dollars engine. Not to wind you up a

496
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: little bit, but you know it's it's no three thousand

497
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: dollars engine replacement. So you know, you know that being said,

498
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: what came out, what went in, and what's the speck

499
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: and then you start the conversation from there and when

500
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: you find out what you there's no way that I

501
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: can think of unless they save the old oil filter

502
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: by some circumstance, there's no way you'll know what came out,

503
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: but what's in it and get an oil analysis on that.

504
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: When you find out it's the right viscosity oil, you

505
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: know what. It's unfortunate, but it's ten years old and

506
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: two undred thousand miles and for whatever reason, it's not

507
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: the care that you gave it, but it's the care

508
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: the previous owner gave it. The previous under eighty five

509
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: thousand miles.

510
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 5: Right, right? What's the what's the best way? You mentioned

511
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 5: the owner's manual? Is that the best source.

512
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: I would either have a manual, but I would jump

513
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: online and just type in twenty thirteen BMW five thirty

514
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: five owners Manual, and I bet you there's a everything

515
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: else is online. I bet you there's a downloadable PDF

516
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: that would allow you to look it in or if

517
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: you can go back to the repair shop. I guess

518
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: the repair shop doesn't have any online reference information, all data, Mitchell,

519
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: nothing like that.

520
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 5: I don't know what they have. I just know that

521
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 5: when I'm went back to them, and he went straight

522
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 5: to this AMS Oil book and looked it up, and

523
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 5: then he had another book, but he didn't really find

524
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 5: the specific model and engine in that one, right, But

525
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 5: he says he usually goes by the AMS Oil book.

526
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: Well, my concern with using a book in this day

527
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: and age, and now I'll pick on him a little

528
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: bit since I'm an equal opportunity offender here. My concern

529
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: with him using a book is when was the book published? Right?

530
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: If the book was if the book was published two

531
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: years ago, it's a doorstop because things in this industry,

532
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, things changed since we started this conversation. It's

533
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,239
Speaker 1: got to be online, it's got to be relevant, it's

534
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: got to be up to the minute. It just is.

535
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: It just changes that fast.

536
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 5: You were keying in on the mileage one hundred and eighty.

537
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 4: So.

538
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 5: Would an engine like that be less sensitive to viscosity?

539
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: And let's have that conversation when we come back from

540
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: the break. I'm ronnin Indie and we'll be right back

541
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: after this. Don't go away. Welcome back, Dave. You're still there. Yeah, yeah,

542
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: I just got a couple of minutes. What was your question?

543
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 5: Oh, I was asking the fact that the BMW has

544
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 5: one eighty on the mileage if that makes it more

545
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 5: sensitive or less sensitive to viscosity and oil type.

546
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: No, it makes it in this case. Let me ask

547
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: you a question. Let me ask the question the other way.

548
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: If the car had thirty thousand miles on it and

549
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: you had just got an oil change done, what would

550
00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: you think.

551
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 5: I don't know how that affects things.

552
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't.

553
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 5: Obviously there would be somewhere on the engine if it's

554
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 5: got one eighty and it was running really well and

555
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 5: so on.

556
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: But right, But here's my point. Anything you and I

557
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: talk about is conjecture. Until when, until we get an

558
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: oil analysis done, we know what oil is in there?

559
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: Because we could we could play what if from now

560
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: until Tuesday? It's not going to do us any good?

561
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 5: Exactly?

562
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: You know, we could we can analyze this fourteen different ways.

563
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't It doesn't.

564
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: Matter to me.

565
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 5: Their analysis. Would their analysis would tell us the viscosity

566
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 5: and possibly even the brand, And would it give any

567
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 5: telltale signs of hey, yeah, there is something going on

568
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 5: in this engine.

569
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: Every Blackstone report I've ever seen will tell you engine

570
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: condition what to expect. I've had customers do Blackstone oil analysis.

571
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: They bought new vehicles and to keep them under warranty

572
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: there there was some extended warranty plan where they wanted

573
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: oil analysis done to show the intervals between oil changes,

574
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. They'd go through the expense,

575
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: they do all these oil analysis and they'd get back

576
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: these reports showing no breakdown, viscosity type, what sort of

577
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: base metals were in the engine, if there was any

578
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: signs of coolant in the engine. Oil it's you know,

579
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just like getting blood work done,

580
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: no different. So they can they could break it down

581
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: into the minutia and then let's have the conversation. Can

582
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: we do that?

583
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 5: It sounds good. I had not heard of them. I

584
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 5: guess I'd heard of oil analysis before, but it's been

585
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 5: a while.

586
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: Blackstone is I think Blackstone is one of the few

587
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: lift in the country that does it. If you Google

588
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: search Blackstone oil analysis, and I believe it's Blackstone, but

589
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: you know that'll get you the answer. But I would

590
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: go with an oil analysis in the determined final condition.

591
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: From there, all right, Kitto. It'll take a couple of weeks,

592
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: but I expect to hear back from you.

593
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 5: Okay, thank you so much.

594
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: You're very welcome. Be good. Eight five five five six

595
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. Running in the Card Doctor

596
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: coming back right after this, don't go away, Welcome back

597
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: running the card Doctor heard eight five five five six

598
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. By the way, I don't

599
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: know why I'm telling you this, but the streaming computer

600
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: is down and if you can't listen on the stream,

601
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: that's why. But if you can't listen on the stream,

602
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: how would you get this message anyway? So I just

603
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: figured i'd make the general announcement. Who knows how you'll

604
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: hear about it. Let's go out to Louis and Quebec

605
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: and Hi, how you doing? Good sir? What's going on

606
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: in your mind?

607
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 6: Well? I have a question for you concerning a raft four. Okay,

608
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 6: I have a sixteen year old Raft four and it's

609
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 6: basically time for us to change now. But my thought

610
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 6: was to get a raft flour and to get a hybrid,

611
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 6: and which was fine and dandy until I started reading

612
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 6: up and the cable I'm sure you're aware of the

613
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 6: cable gate issue with the raft fours, with the hybrids

614
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 6: and the suppose it fix that the Yoda did, which

615
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,239
Speaker 6: seemingly does not seem to have been a fix, and

616
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 6: their attitude towards basically, you know, the cost of absorbing

617
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 6: the cost for those people that actually have to have

618
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 6: the cable fix, which works out to I think about

619
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 6: seven thousand dollars somewhere in that region, seven thousand dollars Canadian,

620
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 6: and I don't know how much it would be down south,

621
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 6: but I guess it's made me reconsider the idea of

622
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 6: getting a hybrid and you know, we basically do about,

623
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 6: you know, say about five thousand to six thousand miles

624
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 6: per year, of which maybe about twenty five hundred is

625
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 6: in winter. The rest of that time that the time

626
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 6: the car sits on the driveway. It's driven regularly, but

627
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 6: it basically sits on the driveway. And obviously up here

628
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 6: in Quebec there's an awful lot of salt that's used

629
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 6: world salt that's used in winter and it's cold. My

630
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 6: question to you is, does that sound like a winning

631
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 6: combination for a hybrid car or do you think that

632
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 6: perhaps I should be, you know, sticking to an ice

633
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 6: car or to something else. I'd like to have your opinion.

634
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: I think, for where you are in the extreme environment,

635
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: because you're right, cable Gate's a disaster, and you know,

636
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: Toyota did extend warranty on certain models. I think it

637
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: was all the way back to twenty nineteen's, you know,

638
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen through twenty twos and now the twenty threes.

639
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: But still it's an inconvenience and it's sad. But as

640
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: I've been saying all along, cars are a product of environment, right,

641
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: I think to me, the most reliable is the standard.

642
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: It's the ice, it's the internal combustion engine. I think

643
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: it's going to be around a long time yet. I

644
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: don't think the EV is going to take it over

645
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: if you were in a different environment, if you were

646
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: in some place, nothing wrong with Canada, but if you

647
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: didn't have the ice in the salt and the snow

648
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: and the corrosion, Yeah, I think a hybrid might make

649
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Speaker 1: more sense. It's either that, Louis, and I wish we

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Speaker 1: had more time for this. I apologize. It's either that,

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Speaker 1: or do you find a hybrid from a different manufacturer

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Speaker 1: more designed to hold up in the foul weather that

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Speaker 1: you have up there. That's a little more research is

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Speaker 1: in order. But I like what you're thinking I just

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Speaker 1: don't know if right now the RAP four is the

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Speaker 1: way to go. I appreciate your trust. I'm running any

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Speaker 1: in the car doctor reminding you the mechanics aren't expensive,

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Speaker 1: they're priceless. See you